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• The etymologies of isidore of Seville “Black night possesses the bodies of the Moors; the Gauls have white skins;” xix 23: 7 “mauron is black, for the Greeks call black mauros.” Xii 1:55
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• |iamque in palantes ac versos terga feroces pugnabant itali, subitus cum mole pavenda terrificis Maurus prorumpit tunger in armis. Nigra viro membra, et furvi iuga celsa trahebant cornipedes, totusque novae formidinis arte concolor aequabat liventia currus equorumterga; nec erectis similes imponere cristis cessarat pennas, aterque tegebat amictus.|‘’tunger, the moor, a terrible giant, rushed forward to battle. His body was black, and his lofty chariot was drawn by black horses; and the chariot- a new device to strike terror- was the same color all over as the dusky backs of the steeds; and on his lofty crest he had been careful to set a plume of the same hue; and the garment he wore was black also.’’ punica vii 680- 685
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what is the translation of these quotes below containing the word "maurus" ( don't have the translation coordinated to these) also from the Punica, the poem dated aroung 100 AD which talks about, semi mythologically "giant etc" of the Second Punic War three hundred years or so earlier
quote: ferrumque super cervice tremiscens palluit infelix subducto sanguine Maurus. ora rapit gladio praefixaque cuspide portat...
ergo alacer Fabiumque morae increpitare professus, ad vulgum in patres, ut ovans iam, verba ferebat: " vos, quorum imperium est, consul praeceptamodum- que 265
bellandi posco. sedeone an montibus erro, dum mecum Garamas et adustus corpora Maurus...
et murmure anhelo squalentes campos ac longa mapalia complent — omnis in occultas rupes atque avia pernix 375
Maurus saxa fugit, coniuxque Libyssa profuso, vagitum cohibens, suspendit ab ubere natos ; illi dira fremunt, perfractaque in ore cruento ossa sonant, pugnantque feris sub dentibus artus — baud secus Egeriae pubes, hinc Virbius acer,...
candentes gelido perfundit flumine tauros. sed tristes superi, atque ingrata maxima cura victima Tarpeio frustra nutrita Tonanti. instat Hiber levis et levior discurrere Maurus. hinc pila, hinc Libycae certant subtexere cornus 660 densa nube polum ; quantumque interiacet aequi ad ripas campi, tantum vibrantia condunt tela ; nee artatis locus est in morte cadendi. Allius, Argyripa Daunique profectus ab arvis....
candentes gelido perfundit flumine tauros. sed tristes superi, atque ingrata maxima cura victima Tarpeio frustra nutrita Tonanti. instat Hiber levis et levior discurrere Maurus. hinc pila, hinc Libycae certant subtexere cornus 660 densa nube polum ; quantumque interiacet aequi ad ripas campi, tantum vibrantia condunt tela ; nee artatis locus est in morte cadendi. Allius, Argyripa Daunique profectus ab arvis ...
it stridens per utrumque latus Maurusia taxus ; obvia tum medio sonuerunt spicula corde, incertumque fuit, letum cui cederet hastae. et iam, dispersis Romana per agmina signis, 570
Also "maurus" does not necessarily connect to moors typically as
wiki:
quote: The Moors were the Muslim inhabitants of the Maghreb, North Africa, the Iberian Peninsula, Sicily, and Malta during the Middle Ages, who initially were Berber and Arab peoples from North Africa Moors are not a distinct or self-defined people,[3] and mainstream scholars observed in 1911 that "The term 'Moors' has no real ethnological value."[4] Medieval and early modern Europeans variously applied the name to Arabs, Berber North Africans and Muslim Europeans.[5] The term has also been used in Europe in a broader, somewhat derogatory sense to refer to Muslims in general,[6] especially those of Arab or Berber descent, whether living in Spain or North Africa.[7] During the colonial era, the Portuguese introduced the names "Ceylon Moors" and "Indian Moors" in Sri Lanka, and the Bengali Muslims were also called Moors.[8]
In 711, troops mostly formed by Moors from North Africa led the Umayyad conquest of Hispania.
quote: The Moors were the Muslim inhabitants of the Maghreb, North Africa, the Iberian Peninsula, Sicily, and Malta during the Middle Ages, who initially were Berber and Arab peoples from North Africa Moors are not a distinct or self-defined people,[3] and mainstream scholars observed in 1911 that "The term 'Moors' has no real ethnological value."[4] Medieval and early modern Europeans variously applied the name to Arabs, Berber North Africans and Muslim Europeans.[5] The term has also been used in Europe in a broader, somewhat derogatory sense to refer to Muslims in general,[6] especially those of Arab or Berber descent, whether living in Spain or North Africa.[7] During the colonial era, the Portuguese introduced the names "Ceylon Moors" and "Indian Moors" in Sri Lanka, and the Bengali Muslims were also called Moors.[8]
In 711, troops mostly formed by Moors from North Africa led the Umayyad conquest of Hispania.
when has an Arab ever been called a "Moor" by medieval or early Europeans?
Arabs and Muslims were called Saracens or Muhammadans
what is a Berber? Berber is a vague term for Africans in east and north Africa
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•‘’the people of this country (Mauritania) are Ethiopic: and they are in stature the largest of any nation with which we are acquainted’’ periplus scylax caryandensis v1 pg 54
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"the sugar cannot be made with out the help of African slaves, and that in great numbers; for Angola alone provided fifteen thousand four hundred and thirty MOORS for the sugar mills about olinda."chap VII pg 506 America : being the latest, and most accurate description of the New World by john ogilby
there are no Muslims in Angola
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: "the sugar cannot be made with out the help of African slaves, and that in great numbers; for Angola alone provided fifteen thousand four hundred and thirty MOORS for the sugar mills about olinda."chap VII pg 506 America : being the latest, and most accurate description of the New World by john ogilby
That is one of the many variant uses of the term "Moor" a European term. One often speaks of Moors as north African Muslims who invaded Spain but if you look at some of this quote by John Ogilby he is using it to mean "any African" as he is talking about Angolan slaves in Brazil, not even Muslims and having nothing to do with the conquest of Spain The term has no stable meaning historically as per usage
quote:Originally posted by the questioner: show me one quote from a European that called Arabs moors [/QB]
I gave you the link to the thread
They are not going to say "I am calling this Arab a Moor" They will simply use the term "Moor" for Arabs, Berbers and Africans they are not going to simultaneously use the word "Arab" at the same time
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: "the sugar cannot be made with out the help of African slaves, and that in great numbers; for Angola alone provided fifteen thousand four hundred and thirty MOORS for the sugar mills about olinda."chap VII pg 506 America : being the latest, and most accurate description of the New World by john ogilby
That is one of the many variant uses of the term "Moor" a European term. One often speaks of Moors as north African Muslims who invaded Spain but if you look at some of this quote by John Ogilby he is using it to mean "any African" as he is talking about Angolan slaves in Brazil, not even Muslims and having nothing to do with the conquest of Spain The term has no stable meaning historically as per usage
the point of the quote is to debunk your and other historians theory of moor meaning Muslim
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: "the sugar cannot be made with out the help of African slaves, and that in great numbers; for Angola alone provided fifteen thousand four hundred and thirty MOORS for the sugar mills about olinda."chap VII pg 506 America : being the latest, and most accurate description of the New World by john ogilby
That is one of the many variant uses of the term "Moor" a European term. One often speaks of Moors as north African Muslims who invaded Spain but if you look at some of this quote by John Ogilby he is using it to mean "any African" as he is talking about Angolan slaves in Brazil, not even Muslims and having nothing to do with the conquest of Spain The term has no stable meaning historically as per usage
the point of the quote is to debunk your and other historians theory of moor meaning Muslim
It doesn't debunk anything.
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: "the sugar cannot be made with out the help of African slaves, and that in great numbers; for Angola alone provided fifteen thousand four hundred and thirty MOORS for the sugar mills about olinda."chap VII pg 506 America : being the latest, and most accurate description of the New World by john ogilby
That is one of the many variant uses of the term "Moor" a European term. One often speaks of Moors as north African Muslims who invaded Spain but if you look at some of this quote by John Ogilby he is using it to mean "any African" as he is talking about Angolan slaves in Brazil, not even Muslims and having nothing to do with the conquest of Spain The term has no stable meaning historically as per usage
the point of the quote is to debunk your and other historians theory of moor meaning Muslim
It doesn't debunk anything.
Are Angolans Muslims?
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: "the sugar cannot be made with out the help of African slaves, and that in great numbers; for Angola alone provided fifteen thousand four hundred and thirty MOORS for the sugar mills about olinda."chap VII pg 506 America : being the latest, and most accurate description of the New World by john ogilby
That is one of the many variant uses of the term "Moor" a European term. One often speaks of Moors as north African Muslims who invaded Spain but if you look at some of this quote by John Ogilby he is using it to mean "any African" as he is talking about Angolan slaves in Brazil, not even Muslims and having nothing to do with the conquest of Spain The term has no stable meaning historically as per usage
quote:Originally posted by the questioner: show me one quote from a European that called Arabs moors
I gave you the link to the thread
They are not going to say "I am calling this Arab a Moor" They will simply use the term "Moor" for Arabs, Berbers and Africans they are not going to simultaneously use the word "Arab" at the same time [/QB]
Arab is someone from Arabia
Leo Africanus differentiate between Arabs and Moors
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Ps, notice how the words, Ethiopian, Moor and Negro are being used synonymous (indiscriminately?). Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: Moses defeats the moors
According the Coptic mythology and the Qumran Moshe had dark skin.
It is highly doubtful that this is actually Moses vs Moors, but it gives a good indication on how Moors were depicted.
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: [qb] Moses defeats the moors
According the Coptic mythology and the Quran Moshe had dark skin.
what sura says Moshe had dark skin?
Sorry I did not say Quran, say said Qumran. Why are you altering my text, then ask me weird questions based on that alteration, like what "sura"?
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Ps, notice how the words, Ethiopian, Moor and Negro are being used synonymous (indiscriminately?). [/QB]
moor lost its original meaning by the time of leo africanus North Africans no longer were called black during his time period (because of the race mixing that caused the population to lighten)
Italians and Spaniards called them white moors or bianchi affricani (white Africans) (the white moors and the people of the Mediterranean are the same complexion)
While the English called them tawny moors (the English were a extremely white skinned people so the white moors appeared tanned skinned to them)
there still existed the black moors which are the oldest kind of moor
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"the moors of Angola do know that there is a god, and do call god caripongoa, but they worship the sun and the moon" pg 95 The Strange Adventures of Andrew Battell of Leigh, in Angola and the adjoining regions by Andrew Battell, Samuel Purchas, Anthony Knivet
the lioness can you please tell me again how moor means Muslim?
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: Moses defeats the moors
According the Coptic mythology and the Qumran Moshe had dark skin.
It is highly doubtful that this is actually Moses vs Moors, but it gives a good indication on how Moors were depicted.
I thought you meant Quran. Usually people refer to the "dead sea scrolls" when talking about text rather than the Qumran location where they were found. Also nobody says " the Qumran Moshe ". I don't know what " the Qumran Moshe ".is supposed to mean
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: Two noble moors playing chess
You are not citing properly you list no source It is 13tc. Libro de los Juegos ("Book of games"), commissioned by Alfonso X of Castile Please get in the habit of doing this. Ish Gebor does it
that caption "Two noble moors playing chess" does not appear in the text
Este es otro iuego departido en que ha tre- ynta trebeios que an seer entablados assi como estan en la figura del entablamiento & a sse de iugar desta guisa.} LOs blancos iuegan pri`mero. & uençen a los pri`etos o amannan. & esto a de seer en dize seys uezes dan- do xaque al Rey prieto cada uez con uno delos cauallos blancos. fata quel fagan tor- nar a aquella casa onde salio primero; quan- do se entablo. % El primero iuego dar la xaque con el cauallo. blanco que esta en la tercera casa del cauallo blanco. poniendol en la quarta casa del Roque prieto. o en la qua- rta casa del alffil prieto. Si el Rey prieto en- trare en la casa de so Roque; es mate al pri- mero iuego. dandol xaque con el otro caual- lo blanco en la tercera casa del cauallo pri`eto. Pues lo meior es que entre en la casa de so alffil. % El segundo iuego dar la xaque del otro cauallo blanco en la tercera casa del cauallo prieto entrara el Rey prieto en su ca- sa. % El tercero iuego dar la xaque del ca- uallo blanco en la segunda casa del cauallo prieto; entrara el Rey prieto en la segunda casa de su Alferza. % El quarto iuego dar la xaque del cauallo blanco; en la casa del alffil prieto. entrara el Rey prieto enla seg- unda casa de so alffil. % El quinto iuego darla xaque con el cauallo blanco en la ca- sa del Rey prieto. si el Rey prieto entrare en la casa de so cauallo; es mate al primero iuego dandol xaque con el cauallo blanco en la segunda casa del alfferza prieta. Pues` lo meior es que entre en la tercera casa de so cauallo. % El sexto iuego dar le xaque con el cauallo blanco en la segunda casa del alfferza pri`eta; entrara el Rey prieto en la quarta casa de so cauallo. % El sete- no iuego darla xaque con el cauallo blan- co en la segunda casa del alffil prieto; entra`- ra el Rey prieto en la quarta casa del alffil blanco. ca si entrare en la quarta casa del Roque blanco; serie mate al primero iue- go dandol xaque con el cauallo blanco. en} {CB2. la quarta casa del cauallo prieto. % El ocha- uo iuego dar la xaque del cauallo blanco. en la terçera casa del cauallo prieto. & entrara el Rey prieto en la tercera casa del alffil blan- co. % El noueno iuego dar la xaque con el cauallo blanco en la quarta casa del cauallo prieto. & entrara el Rey prieto en la segunda casa del alfferza blanca. % El dezeno iuego dar la xaque del cauallo blanco. en la quarta casa del alffil blanco. & entrara el Rey prie- to en la segunda casa del Rey blanco. % El onzeno iuego dar la xaque con el caual- lo blanco en la tercera casa del alffil blan- co. entrara el Rey prieto en la tercera casa; del otro alffil blanco. % El dozeno iuego. darla xaque con el cauallo blanco en la se- gunda casa del alfferza blanca; & entrara el Rey prieto en la tercera casa del cauallo blanco. % El trezeno iuego dar la xaque con el cauallo blanco; en la segunda casa del Rey blanco. & entrara el Rey prieto; en la quarta casa del rroque blanco. % El cator- zeno iuego dar la xaque del cauallo blanco. en la tercera casa del alffil blanco. & entrara el Rey prieto enla quarta casa de so roque. [%] El quinzeno iuego dar la xaque con el ca- uallo blanco en la tercera casa del cauallo blanco. & entrara el Rey prieto en la tercera casa de so cauallo. % El sezeno iuego dar- la xaque con el cauallo blanco en la quarta casa del Roque blanco. tornarsa el Rey (blan- co) [prieto] por fuerça; a la segunda casa de so caual- lo. o fue entablado primero. & En esta guisa es el iuego manna. E si el uno delos cauallos` blancos errare de dar xaque cada uez al Rey prieto; es el Rey blanco mate al primero iue- go con el roque prieto tomando el alffil blan- co que esta enla casa del cauallo blanco o to- mando el peon blanco que esta en la segun- da casa del Roque blanco. & este es el depar- timiento deste iuego. E esta es la figura; del entablamiento.}
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^I don't see the word "Moor" or "Mouros" as it would have appeared in that dialect, The text here is describing the rules of chess not who is in the picture
However I do see the word "mouros" below also commissioned by Alphonso X
^ So these might be Arabs or berbers and here they are called moors in Castilian Spanish "mouros" and clearly not dark skinned It's pretty old 13th century
writing at top inside panel says:
"Como os mouros sacaron o conde da souta da galea"
(How the Moors sacked the Count of the Gala)
Panel 5 of Page 1 of Cantiga 95 of the Cantigas de Santa Maria of Alfonso X
^^ Here we see some more of the light skinned figures as well as dark skinned. So we can see here the term moor being applied to Islamic military of varied ethnicity. This was at a time when the term was being applied to the Islamic forces in North Africa who invaded spain which were a combination of berbers, Arabs and possibly other Africans who may have been from North Africa or possibly Sudan, Ethiopia or elsewhere.
Later on in Europe the word usage changes. For example in your example to Angolans in your quote. Later the word was used to mean "any African" but at the same time sometimes still referring to the muslims in North Africa particular involved in the Holy wars with the Christians.
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: [qb] Two noble moors playing chess
You are not citing properly you list no source It is 13tc. Libro de los Juegos ("Book of games"), commissioned by Alfonso X of Castile Please get in the habit of doing this. Ish Gebor does it
that caption "Two noble moors playing chess" does not appear in the text
can you prove they are not "moors"? can you prove they are not "noble"? can you prove they are not "playing chess"? can you prove they are not "two"?
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However I do see the word "mouros" below also commissioned by Alphonso X
^ So these might be Arabs or berbers and here they are called moors in Castilian Spanish "mouros" and clearly not dark skinned It's pretty old 13th century
writing at top inside panel says:
"Como os mouros sacaron o conde da souta da galea"
(How the Moors sacked the Count of the Gala)
Panel 5 of Page 1 of Cantiga 95 of the Cantigas de Santa Maria of Alfonso X
^^ Here we see some more of the light skinned figures as well as dark skinned. So we can see here the term moor being applied to Islamic military of varied ethnicity. This was at a time when the term was being applied to the Islamic forces in North Africa who invaded spain which were a combination of berbers, Arabs and possibly other Africans who may have been from North Africa or possibly Sudan, Ethiopia or elsewhere.
Later on in Europe the word usage changes. For example in your example to Angolans in your quote. Later the word was used to mean "any African" but at the same time sometimes still referring to the muslims in North Africa particular involved in the Holy wars with the Christians.
^^^ this amounts to nothing because i never said there were no white moors during this time period
the name of this topic is the "original moors"
can you prove that the above people are Arabs?
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"Ethiopia is departed in two parts principal, and that is in the east part and in the meridional part; the which part meridional is clept Mauritania; and the folk of that country be black enough and more black than in the other part, and they be clept MOORS?" The travels of sir john mandeville chp 17 https://archive.org/stream/travelsofsirjohn00manduoft#page/104/mode/2up/search/moorsPosts: 861 | From: usa | Registered: Apr 2015
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"the like also would be the condition of the African moors, opposite to Spain and Italy, of whom 'tis scarce to be doubted but that they are a mixed generation; descendants of Negroes, the first inhabitants, and Europeans, from the opposite shores, by whose people they had formerly been conquered; their hair, figure, and complexion (the same with our mulatto's) bespeaking no less.whereas our remoter africans, into whose territories those nations never till of late date had pierced, and so had no opportunity of the like mixtures, are perfectly black, their frizzled like wool, as the many thousand here do witness." pg 23:16 The Negro's [and] Indians Advocate: by Morgan Godwyn
i agree with the above statement
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"maurus: quidam populus qui estivo calore combustus speciem nigri coloris atraxit"(Moor: a certain people burnt black with summer heat)Liber derivationum of pisanus ugutio 12th century
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: Moses defeats the moors
According the Coptic mythology and the Qumran Moshe had dark skin.
It is highly doubtful that this is actually Moses vs Moors, but it gives a good indication on how Moors were depicted.
I thought you meant Quran. Usually people refer to the "dead sea scrolls" when talking about text rather than the Qumran location where they were found. Also nobody says " the Qumran Moshe ". I don't know what " the Qumran Moshe ".is supposed to mean
Translated it means the same.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Also nobody says " the Qumran Moshe ".
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: "the like also would be the condition of the African moors, opposite to Spain and Italy, of whom 'tis scarce to be doubted but that they are a mixed generation; descendants of Negroes, the first inhabitants, and Europeans, from the opposite shores, by whose people they had formerly been conquered; their hair, figure, and complexion (the same with our mulatto's) bespeaking no less.whereas our remoter africans, into whose territories those nations never till of late date had pierced, and so had no opportunity of the like mixtures, are perfectly black, their frizzled like wool, as the many thousand here do witness." pg 23:16 The Negro's [and] Indians Advocate: by Morgan Godwyn
i agree with the above statement
Below the map there is a source critical in understanding the topography of the Moors, including the Moriscos at Iberia (Andalusia). From what I know most Moriscos resided at the North, thus we see Alfonso's Kingdom of Galicia.
AL-ANDALUS Evolució d’un territori des del 711 fins el 1492
quote:Most studies of European genetic diversity have focused on large-scale variation and interpretations based on events in prehistory, but migrations and invasions in historical times could also have had profound effects on the genetic landscape.The geographical distribution of North African ancestry in the peninsula does not reflect the initial colonization and subsequent withdrawal and is likely to result from later enforced population movement—more marked in some regions than in others—plus the effects of genetic drift.
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The established population of the Iberian Peninsula prior to 711 CE has been estimated at 7–8 million people, ruled by about 200,000 Germanic Visigoths,19 who had entered from the north in the sixth century. Though the initial invading North African force was between 10,000 and 15,000 strong, the scale of subsequent migration and settlement is uncertain, with some claiming numbers in the hundreds of thousands. 20 Islamization of the populace after the invasion was certainly rapid, but it has been argued that this reflects an exponential social process of religious conversion rather than a substantial immigration;21 a sizeable proportion of the indigenous population (the so-called Mozarabs) was allowed to retain its Christian practices, as a result of the religious tolerance of the Muslim rulers.22 There is also doubt about the extent of intermarriage between indigenous people and settlers in the early phase.20 After the overthrow of Islamic rule in most of the peninsula, a period of tolerant coexistence (convivencia) ensued in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries, but after 1492 (1496 in Portugal), religious intolerance forced Spanish Muslims to either convert to Christianity (as so-called moriscos) or leave.23 After the fifteenth century, moriscos were relocated across Spain on occasion, and, finally, during 1609–1616, over 200,000 were expelled, mostly from Valencia.
As I have already shown with a picture of the original manuscript the spelling at that time and place was "mouro" or plural "mouros"
As appears in the Cantigas de Santa Maria the song-poems also commissioned by Alfonso X
example: below spelled "moro"
Cantiga 46.
Esta é como a omagen de Santa Maria, que un mouro guardava en sa casa onrradamente, deitou leite das tetas
Porque ajan de seer seus miragres mais sabudos da Virgen, deles fazer vai ant’ omees descreudos.
E dest’ avẽo assi como vos quero contar dun mouro, com’ aprendí, que con ost’ en Ultramar grande foi, segund’ oý, por crischãos guerrejar e roubar, que non eran percebudos. Porque ajan de seer…
Aquel mouro astragou as térras u pod’ entrar, e todo quanto robou feze-o sigo levar; e mui ledo sse tornou a ssa térra, e juntar foi e dar os roubos que ouv’ avudos. Porque ajan de seer…
Daquel aver que partiu foi en pera ssi fillar hua omagen que vyu da Virgen que non á par; e pois la muito cousyu, feze-a logo alçar e guardar en panos d’ ouro teçudos. Porque ajan de seer…
E ameude veer a ýa muit’ e catar; pois fillava-ss’ a dizer ontre ssi e rezõar que non podía creer que Deus quisess’ encarnar nen tomar carn’ en moller. «E perdudos Porque ajan de seer…
Son quantos lo creer van, diss’ el, ca non poss’ osmar que quisesse tal afán prender Deus nen ss’ abaxar, que el que éste tan gran se foss’ en corp’ ensserrar nen andar ontre poboos miudos, Porque ajan de seer…
Como dizen que andou pera o mundo salvar; mas se de quant’ el mostrou foss’ a mi que quer mostrar, faria-me logo sou crischão, sen detardar, e crismar con estes mouros barvudos». Porque ajan de seer…
Adur pod’ esta razón toda o mour’ encimar, quand’ á omagen enton viu duas tetas a par, de viva carn’ e d’ al non, que foron logo mãar e deitar leite come per canudos. Porque ajan de seer…
Quand’ esto viu, sen mentir, começou muit’ a chorar, e un crerigo viir fez, que o foi batiçar; e pois desto, sen falir, os seus crischãos tornar fez, e ar outros bẽes connosçudos. Porque ajan de seer….
English Translation
This is how an image of Holy Mary, which a Moor kept respectfully in his house, gave milk from its breasts.
So that the miracles of the Virgin may be more widely known, She performs them before incredulous men.
It chanced to pass, as I wish to tell you now, that a Moor, as I learned, went to the Holy Land with a great army to make war on Christians and pillage their lands, for they were unprepared. That Moor laid waste all the lands he could enter and carried off all he could steal. He triumphantly returned to his own land and piled together the booty he had taken to distribute it. Of that wealth which he divided, he set aside for himself an image of the Peerless Virgin, which caught his eye. After he had examined it closely, he had it set up in a high place and dressed in garments of spun gold. He often went to gaze upon it and thought it over and reasoned to himself that he simply could not believe that God would become incarnate nor be born of woman. "All who will believe this are mistaken," he said, "for I cannot imagine that God would undertake such suffering nor so debase Himself that He Who is so great would clothe Himself in flesh and walk among common folk, as they say He walked, in order to save the world. However, if He would make one of His manifestations to me, He would cause me to become a Christian at once and be confirmed along with these bearded Moors." The Moor had scarcely uttered this when he saw the statue's two breasts turn into living flesh and begin to flow with milk in gushing streams. When he saw this, verily he began to weep and had a priest called in who baptized him. Afterward, without fail, he had all his followers become Christians as well as many of his other acquaintances.
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Here is more detail on the poem:
quote: During the 12th and the 13th centuries, throughout the Christian world, flourished the cult of the Virgin Mary. Men saw her as an intermediary between the common people and God, her Son, and as a symbol of absolute love and immaculate service to a feminine idea. People were inclined to ask the Virgin to plead their cases with God, and large numbers of songs were devoted to her, singing her praise and recounting the miracles that she performed in aid of the pious and the clean of heart. There are many collections of these songs in Italian, French and Latin, but the largest one is the Cantigas de Santa Maria, compiled between 1260 and 1280 by Alfonso X, El Sabio (The Wise) “King of Castilla, Toledo, Leon, Galicia, Sevilla, Cordoba, Murcia, Jaen and the Algarbe”.
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In the miracle cantigas, the language is extremely matter-of-fact and the narratives often bawdy or humoristic. Their stories, like the melodies, come from a variety of sources (for example, cantiga 42 uses a story that was popular in France before the 13th century), and many were written down in other countries. The variety of the themes is infinite. Most cantigas recount miracles done upon the common folk: there is a nun who is about to flee with the knight which has seduced her, a pregnant abbess being miraculously delivered from her baby, a ship of greedy merchants caught in a storm pleading for help, even a thief spared from the gallows because he prayed to the Virgin Mary. Others deal with kings and princes, and men and women of high status. Some draw their themes from a historical background, such as cantiga 15, in which Mary defends the city of Caesaria from the Emperor Julian the Apostate or cantiga 28, in which Mary defends Constantinople against the Moors.
—Leda Filippopoulou
The Cantigas de Santa Maria The songs of the Holy Mary
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Cantiga 46 of the Cantigas de Santa Maria of Alfonso X The Moor who Venerated an Image of the Virgin Mary A Moor made war on Christians and won a great booty. He divided the spoils, keeping for himself an image of the Virgin, which he put in a high place and dressed in gold garments. He often gazed at it, but could not overcome his doubts about the Incarnation. He vowed that if God would make himself known, he would convert to Christianity. No sooner had he spoken, than the image’s breasts turned to flesh and milk began to flow from them. When the Moor saw this he wept, summoned a priest, and was baptised. Many other Moors were also converted.
(note the interracial makeup of the moors) by this time the moors were heavily racially mixed
however black moors still existed during this time period
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Cantiga 185 of the Cantigas de Santa Maria of Alfonso X The Woman whose Mother-in-law Plotted her Death A woman lived in her husband’s house. Her mother-in-law despised her and plotted her death. One day when the woman was sleeping alone, the mother-in-law ordered one of her Moorish servants to lie down beside her. Then she summoned her son and showed him his sleeping wife. The husband wanted to kill his wife, but his mother advised him to report the affair to the magistrate. The magistrate and many other witnesses saw the woman in bed with the Moor. They seized them and led them to the town square. The people lit a fire and cast the pair into the flames. The Moor was burnt to death, but the people saw a lady protecting the woman in the midst of the fire. When the woman came out of the fire, she told the people that the Virgin had delivered her.
note (black moors still existed during this time period)
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