If you go back and read the old Afrocentricist like John Henrik Clarke et al. You will never find them claiming the Delta as Black African. Neither did Massey for that matter. With a careful reading you will find they claim Egypt/ Kemet was an inner African creation and culture. In fact the latest genetics studies prove this point sufficiently for me. What is the material culture from these Near Easterners? What is their culture and language? The North African's that Menes conquered where like hillbillies, I will call them Swampbillies.
Here is the location of the mummies that were analyzed, Abusir el-Meleq, near Fayum
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Our genetic time transect suggests genetic continuity between the Pre-Ptolemaic, Ptolemaic and Roman populations of Abusir el-Meleq, indicating that foreign rule impacted the town’s population only to a very limited degree at the genetic level. It is possible that the genetic impact of Greek and Roman immigration was more pronounced in the north-western Delta and the Fayum, where most Greek and Roman settlement concentrated43,55, or among the higher classes of Egyptian society55. Under Ptolemaic and Roman rule, ethnic descent was crucial to belonging to an elite group and afforded a privileged position in society55. Especially in the Roman Period there may have been significant legal and social incentives to marry within one’s ethnic group, as individuals with Roman citizenship had to marry other Roman citizens to pass on their citizenship. Such policies are likely to have affected the intermarriage of Romans and non-Romans to a degree55. Additional genetic studies on ancient human remains from Egypt are needed with extensive geographical, social and chronological spread in order to expand our current picture in variety, accuracy and detail.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: These mummies fall within the range of the same late dynasty. The oldest specimen in the Abusir samples goes back to 769 B.C.
Nearly right if you look at the 3 mummies for genome analysis
Supplementary Table 1
JK2888 BC 97-2 Hap U6a2
JK2134 BC 776-569 Hap J1d
JK 2911 BC 769-560 Hap M1a2a
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However 40 mummies are analyzed, a couple quite a bit older
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In order to analyse the nuclear DNA we selected 40 samples with high mtDNA coverage and low mtDNA contamination.
I posted this data before, and I made a mistake by citing the wring date. But is till falls within the same time references. Andromeda2025 posted the entire references. There is nothing you did of excellence.
JK2134 BC 776-569 Hap J1d
JK 2911 BC 769-560 Hap M1a2a
JK2888 BC 97-2 Hap U6a2 and the companion E-V22 go back 10Kya in the region of Northeast Africa, so again it's pure bigotry.
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The Old Kingdom is the period in the third millennium BC when Egypt attained its first continuous peak of civilization – the first of three so-called "Kingdom" periods (followed by the Middle Kingdom and New Kingdom) which mark the high points of civilization in the lower Nile Valley. The term itself was coined by eighteenth-century historians and the distinction between the Old Kingdom and the Early Dynastic Period is not one which would have been recognized by Ancient Egyptians. Not only was the last king of the Early Dynastic Period related to the first two kings of the Old Kingdom, but the 'capital', the royal residence, remained at Ineb-Hedg, the Ancient Egyptian name for Memphis.
quote:Originally posted by Andromeda2025: This field of DNA is full of ethnocentric tribalism, this is ugly just freakin ugly.. and some want to point fingers at Afrocentrics... LAWD.. The title says it all
In the book The Real Eve, Stephen Oppenheimer refers to haplogroup N as "Nasreen" as haplogroup N may have arisen near the Persian Gulf. In his popular book The Seven Daughters of Eve, Bryan Sykes named the originator of this mtDNA haplogroup "Naomi". MTDNA arising in the Persian gulf then turning back to Africa makes this genetic line European how? Oh yes, it is not Subsarahan... lol..
If you go back and read the old Afrocentricist like John Henrik Clarke et al. You will never find them claiming the Delta as Black African. Neither did Massey for that matter. With a careful reading you will find they claim Egypt/ Kemet was an inner African creation and culture. In fact the latest genetics studies prove this point sufficiently for me. What is the material culture from these Near Easterners? What is their culture and language? The North African's that Menes conquered where like hillbillies, I will call them Swampbillies.
It's every important to understand the core and history of this "science".
quote: Haplogroup J
To resume, our results clearly reject the scenario put forward so far of a strict correlation between the Arab expansion in historical times and the overall pattern of distribution of J1-related chromosomes. Similarly, the causal association between STR-defined haplotypes and ethnic groups appear without any robust support, making its use inadequate for forensic or genealogical purposes. Instead, J1 variation provided the genetic background to correlate climatic changes to human demographic and socio-cultural events scarcely documented in the archaeological record – the dispersal of hunter gatherers after the termination of glacial conditions in the late Pleistocene and the desertification-driven retreat of tribes of Saharan and Arabian foragers in the transition to a food-producing economy.
—Sergio Tofanelli et al.
J1-M267 Y lineage marks climate-driven pre-historical human displacements
European Journal of Human Genetics (2009) 17, 1520 – 1524
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JK2888 BC 97-2 Hap U6a2 and the companion E-V22 go back 10Kya in the region of Northeast Africa, so again it's pure bigotry.
Here are the other dates
JK2916 BC 1111-998 Hap R0
JK2885 BC 1304-1136 Hap R2'JT
Cool,
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The ancient DNA data revealed a high level of affinity between the ancient inhabitants of Abusir el-Meleq and modern populations from the Near East and the Levant.
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The closest populations on the MDS with respect to our ancient meta population (AEGY) are modern populations from Saudi-Arabia, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Yemen and other Near-East populations, whereas the individuals from another ancient population from Turkey (TRO) show more relatedness to modern North-African and populations from the Levantine. For details on the geographic mapping, see Supplementary Note 4.
—Verena J. Schuenemann
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Population comparisons
Based on FST values, the mitochondrial genetic diversity of Soqotra is statistically different (P \ 0.01) from the comparative populations. An MDS plot of FST values shows that the Soqotra sample is clearly distinct from all sub-Saharan, North African, Middle East, and Indian populations (see Fig. 2). High differentiation of the East African groups such as the Sandawe, Hadza, Turu, Datog, and Burunge is shown on the left side of the graph. However, there is a general similarity of the remaining sub-Saharan African populations, particularly those from the Sahel band and the Chad Basin (with the exception of the Fulani nomads). Subsequently, there is a transitional zone formed by the populations from Ethiopia and the Nile Valley but also by some Yemeni groups, particularly the ones from the eastern parts of the country (Hadramawt).
Finally, the cluster on the right part of the graph is composed by the Indian populations on the top, the Near and Middle Eastern groups in the middle and the populations of the Arabian peninsula at the bottom; Yemeni Jews being slightly different. The only outlier within the region of southwestern Asia is the Kalash sample that is situated on the extreme right part of the graph (see also Quintana-Murci et al., 2004). There is a general cline among all populations in the MDS plot from the Soqotri population to a cluster of Middle East and North African populations that splits into sub-Saharan and Indian populations.
Population differentiation of Soqotra from African, Middle East and Indian populations based on NRY-SNP data manifests a similar picture although the comparative populations are different and fewer than in the mitochondrial DNA analysis (see Fig. 3). A comparison of FST values shows that the only population that is not significantly different from Soqotra is that from Yemen (P [ 0.01). Similarly to mtDNA MDS plot, we observe a cline from the Soqotri population to a cluster of Middle East and North African populations that splits into sub- Saharan and Indian populations.
Phylogenetic affiliations
Within the Soqotri samples, we identified haplotypes belonging to three of the main branches of the mtDNA phylogeny (macrohaplogroups L, N, and R); notably haplogroup M is absent (Table 2). There are only two sub- Saharan L haplotypes and they do not carry the 3594HpaI mutation so their classification is L3*; these haplotypes do not contain the specific mutations of L5b (23594HpaI) (Kivisild et al., 2004) and therefore they are possibly L3h2 as they both contain substitutions at 16111, 16184, and 16304 (see Behar et al., 2008). Macro-haplogroup N is represented by three different haplotypes of which only one can be unambiguously classified as N1a (it contains HVS-I motif 16147G-16172-16223-16248-16355). Two other N haplotypes have never been found outside Soqotra (see Table 2).
The most widespread mtDNA types in Soqotra belong to macrohaplogroup R (Table 2). The majority of R haplotypes can be classified as R0a [previously known as (preHV)1]. Three of the R haplotypes have not been previously reported. A network analysis of all Soqotri R0a haplotypes with additional sequences from Africa and Asia (see Fig. 4) shows a time to most recent common ancestor (TMRCA) of 23,339 6 8,232 YBP for R0a. It is shown that the majority of Soqotri R0a haplotypes fall into clade R0a1 (defined by variant 16355) whose TMRCA is 11,418 6 4,198 YBP. Furthermore, within R0a1, the unique Soqotri haplotypes form a new clade that is defined by variant 16172 and that we have named R0a1a1. Abu-Amero et al. (2007) identified a hap- lotype defined by variant 16355 and named it (preHV)1a1, thus it corresponds to R0a1a using the newer nomenclature and the unique Soqotri haplotypes are derived from this lineage). This Soqotri-specific clade has a very young TMRCA (3,363 6 2,378 YBP) that suggests the R0a1a1 haplotypes evolved on Soqotra and have not dispersed elsewhere. Two other Soqotri R haplotypes are not classified further than R* and are quite common in neighboring populations. Five haplotypes within macrohaplogroup R carry the 4216N1aIII variant that places them in clade JT. Of the JT haplotypes, two are unique to Soqotra; J1b is represented by two individuals and T* is represented by one individual.
The majority of NRY haplotypes in Soqotra belong to haplogroup J (85.7%), with most (45 out of 54) unclassified as J*(xJ1,J2) and a few (the remaining 9 samples) classified as J1 (see Fig. 5). It is interesting to note that NRY haplotypes lacking both M172 and M267, as in our unclassified J*, have not been previously identified on the Arabian Peninsula (Cadenas et al., 2008). Haplogroup E is represented at a frequency of 9.5% and three other haplogroups, F*(xJ,K), K*(xO,P) and R*(xR1b), are present in one individual each. It is worth noting that none of the ancient African haplogroups (A and B) were observed in Soqotra.
—Viktor Cerny´
Out of Arabia—The Settlement of Island Soqotra asRevealed by Mitochondrial and Y ChromosomeGenetic Diversity
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Basal U6* was found in a Romanian specimen of ancient DNA (Peștera Muierilor) dated to 35,000 years ago.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Basal U6* was found in a Romanian specimen of ancient DNA (Peștera Muierilor) dated to 35,000 years ago.
LOL and the Basal for U6*, U is most likely in Africa going back prox. 70Kya.
Ancient European people (specimen) was absorbed by incoming populations.
Even more hilarious is that it was called L3c at one point in time, until they discovered that it may obstruct future process, so Watson the racist tweaked into U6.
quote:The group L3c of Watson et al. (1997) is renamed here as U6 (Richards et al. 1998) since it proves to constitute a part of haplogroup U (Richards et al. 1998) since it proves to constitute a part of haplogroup U.
—Rando JC1, Pinto F, González AM, Hernández M, Larruga JM, Cabrera VM, Bandelt HJ.
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In spite of the highest diversity of Iberian U6, Maca-Meyer argues for a Near East origin of this clade based on the highest diversity of subclade U6a in that region
I would say based on the below article the origin of U6 is unclear
Early Holocenic and Historic mtDNA African Signatures in the Iberian Peninsula: The Andalusian Region as a Paradigm Candela L. Hernández
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Haplogroup U6 is common (with a prevalence of around 10%)[23] in Northwest Africa (with a maximum of 29% in an Algerian Mozabites[43]) and the Canary Islands (18% on average with a peak frequency of 50.1% in La Gomera). It is also found in the Iberian peninsula, where it has the highest diversity (10 out of 19 sublineages are only found in this region and not in Africa),
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: In spite of the highest diversity of Iberian U6, Maca-Meyer argues for a Near East origin of this clade based on the highest diversity of subclade U6a in that region
Maca-Meyer. Oh gosh. Dah "supreme caucasian".
Before Maca-Meyer and dah "supreme caucasian", it was called L3c at one point in time, until they discovered that it may obstruct future process, so Watson the racist tweaked into U6.
quote:The group L3c of Watson et al. (1997) is renamed here as U6 (Richards et al. 1998) since it proves to constitute a part of haplogroup U (Richards et al. 1998) since it proves to constitute a part of haplogroup U.
Notice Swenet's post / response, to your repetition. Act as if it doesn't exist.
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ^^ this is saying the oldest 35kya remains bearing U6 were found in Peștera Muierilor, Romania and it is believed to have a Near East Eurasian origin, 42-52 kya but it says that 10kya U6 from Iberia could have come from N. Africans into Iberia, these NAs bearing this Eurasian haplogroup This possible back and forth migration is sometimes theorized as occurring through the Gibraltar straits
Yes, but did you notice they have published no nuclear aDNA. Why not? Most aDNA papers nowadays publish the full genome or large parts of it. And, visually, the skeletal remains in question look more like Aterians/MSA North Africans than 'Cro Magnon' Europeans.
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Haplogroup U6 is common (with a prevalence of around 10%)[23] in Northwest Africa (with a maximum of 29% in an Algerian Mozabites[43]) and the Canary Islands (18% on average with a peak frequency of 50.1% in La Gomera). It is also found in the Iberian peninsula, where it has the highest diversity (10 out of 19 sublineages are only found in this region and not in Africa),
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Haplogroup U6 is common (with a prevalence of around 10%)[23] in Northwest Africa (with a maximum of 29% in an Algerian Mozabites[43]) and the Canary Islands (18% on average with a peak frequency of 50.1% in La Gomera). It is also found in the Iberian peninsula, where it has the highest diversity (10 out of 19 sublineages are only found in this region and not in Africa),
LOL And U6a2 is most common in East Africa!!!!!!!!
U6 arose at a time when there was no pale skin!!!!!
Besides that.
quote:Introduction
After the dispersal of modern humans Out of Africa, around 50–70 ky cal BP1,2,3,4 or earlier based on fossil evidence5, hominins with similar morphology to present-day humans appeared in the Western Eurasian fossil record around 45–40 ky cal BP, initiating the demographic transition from ancient human occupation [Neandertals] to modern human [Homo sapiens] expansion on to the continent1"
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The haplogroup of PM1 falls within the U clade [Fig. 1B and Supplementary Table 3], which derived from the macro-haplogroup N possibly connected to the Out of Africa migration around 60–70 ky cal BP1,2,3,4. In line with this, the Peştera cu Oase individual that lived on the current territory of Romania, albeit slightly earlier than PM1 [37–42 ky cal BP] also displays haplogroup N9.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: So after being on here for years you think a simple equation frequency = origin?
The origin of haplogroup U is uncertain, that is how it is
LOL So now the origin of U is uncertain? lol
quote: The haplogroup of PM1 falls within the U clade [Fig. 1B and Supplementary Table 3], which derived from the macro-haplogroup N possibly connected to the Out of Africa migration around 60–70 ky cal BP1,2,3,4
—Hervella et al. 2016
L3c
After years of being here, you still don't understand genetic drifts from Africa, by small pockets of groups who left Africa to inhabit other region of the world, right?
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] So after being on here for years you think a simple equation frequency = origin?
The origin of haplogroup U is uncertain, that is how it is
LOL So now the origin of U is uncertain? lol
Yes lol,
that is what you will have to deal with
Boing.
Tell me how much you hate reading this:
quote: The haplogroup of PM1 falls within the U clade [Fig. 1B and Supplementary Table 3], which derived from the macro-haplogroup N possibly connected to the Out of Africa migration around 60–70 ky cal BP1,2,3,4
There is obviously something very off with your claims, boy.
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quote: The haplogroup of PM1 falls within the U clade [Fig. 1B and Supplementary Table 3], which derived from the macro-haplogroup N possibly connected to the Out of Africa migration around 60–70 ky cal BP1,2,3,4
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Hey folks, I know it's been a while but I've been so busy with research as well as with work and social life. I've dropped by here and there to lurk and catch up with what is going on in this forum, but I should warn all of you...
You may have noticed that in the net the very papers which are presented and discussed have been misrepresented big time in many social media and news outlets. Namely the discovery of Graecopithecus and the Nature study on the Roman Era Fayum mummies.
First off, let me say that I have been following the so-called "alt-right" movement for a while now since before the start of the presidential race and unfortunately just as I and some others have predicted, it is being subverted and ultimately hijacked the same way the TEA Party was. The TEA Party was simply a movement against unfair taxation and government abuse and was started as a nonpartisan movement for all American taxpayers, however it was soon infiltrated and taken over by establishment Republicans, neo-cons and other Right-wing kooks. In simliar fashion the 'Alt-Right' or 'Alternative Right' began as a movement against the regressive far-left fascists and their neo-lib masters in governments and corporations which attempt to stifle free-speech and the free-exchange of ideas among individuals. Unfortunately I and others have notice the infiltration of this movement by white-nationalists and Eurocentric chauvinists. It's gotten to a point that they now misrepresent scientific findings in favor of thier racist views.
For example, how many times have any of you noticed the discovery of Graecopithecus being misrepresented as evidence that 'Modern Humans originated in Europe'? We all know that Graecopithecus is merely a newly discovered species of hominid and we have yet find out if this species was even of the same lineage that gave rise to Homo Sapiens, yet the findings are being spun to suggest that Homo Sapiens some how arose in Europe! This fallacy is being repeated in many of the alt-media and affiliated "red pill" websites and youtube meda outlets. This fallacy is even being repeated in certain talk radio outlets I have listent to! Now more recently, the findings of the Nature study on the Roman era Fayum mummies are being spun to suggest people of European descent founded Pharaonic Egypt even though non of the mummies tested were royals and again they date from Roman rule period! Yet this fallacy is being repeated by popular youtube sites and radio shows including ironically 'Info-Wars'.
Now, I have been informed by some net pals affiliated with webgroups like Redit, 4chan, Kek, etc. that they are doing their best to inform others of these fallacies however, it is much more difficult to correct misinformation that has already spread than it is to spread misinformation in the first place. For one thing most people are too lazy to read the actual sources themselves and only read the distorted headlines. Another thing is that according to my netpals, the white nationalists are literally infiltrating the alt-right newsites as researchers and source perveyors for the journalists of those sites.
Now I'm just one person, but I hope you guys could help by putting the word out to counter these falsities.
Yes indeed. I have been taking on these people online for years, particularly the "HBD" types, and have been warning about the 24/7 propaganda campaigns they are waging. It got worse during the 2016 election, but it has not stopped. It has actually gotten worse as more and more moles churn out bogus claims, propaganda and strawmen. How often have we seen this with the bogus "stealth" edits of Wikipedia? People need to wake up, and improve their factual base of knowledge, and accurately and forcefully take on these distorters and defend a more balanced picture of African biohistory..
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quote: The haplogroup of PM1 falls within the U clade [Fig. 1B and Supplementary Table 3], which derived from the macro-haplogroup N possibly connected to the Out of Africa migration around 60–70 ky cal BP1,2,3,4
The mitogenome of a 35,000-year-old Homo sapiens from Europe supports a Palaeolithic back-migration to Africa
M. Hervella,2016
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. but you don't understand it because in the abstract of the very same article it clearly states:
quote: The presence of the basal haplogroup U6* in South East Europe (Romania) at 35 ky BP confirms a Eurasian origin of the U6 mitochondrial lineage.
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LALALA, the same article says:
The haplogroup of PM1 falls within the U clade [Fig. 1B and Supplementary Table 3], which derived from the macro-haplogroup N possibly connected to the Out of Africa migration around 60–70 ky cal BP1,2,3,4
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: LALALA, the same article says:
The haplogroup of PM1 falls within the U clade [Fig. 1B and Supplementary Table 3], which derived from the macro-haplogroup N possibly connected to the Out of Africa migration around 60–70 ky cal BP1,2,3,4
And NO specimen has been tested in Africa.
And the FACT remains that U6a2 is most common in East Africa!!!!!!!! lol
Everything outside of Africa is connected to the Out of Africa migration.
Does that mean every haplogroup is African in origin?
You think it does
but it does not
connection ≠ origin
If a human being leaves Africa and then a mutation occurs outside of Africa, that mutation is not African and that is what these haplogroups are, mutations that occur in various places
and JK2888 is B.C. 97-2 of the Ptolemaic period
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: LALALA, the same article says:
The haplogroup of PM1 falls within the U clade [Fig. 1B and Supplementary Table 3], which derived from the macro-haplogroup N possibly connected to the Out of Africa migration around 60–70 ky cal BP1,2,3,4
And NO specimen has been tested in Africa.
And the FACT remains that U6a2 is most common in East Africa!!!!!!!! lol Int has mutated there, 20Kya.
Everything outside of Africa is connected to the Out of Africa migration.
Does that mean every haplogroup is African in origin?
You think it does
but it does not
connection ≠ origin
If a human being leaves Africa and then a mutation occurs outside of Africa, that mutation is not African and that is what these haplogroups are, mutations that occur in various places
LOL You debunk yourself with your own "exaaaawmpuuuls".
So the FACT remains that U6a2 is most common in East Africa!!!!!!!! lol It mutated there 20Kya.
No specimen has been tested in Africa.
In the meanwhile keep ignore in these facts:
The BASAL was called L3c at one point in time, until they discovered that it may obstruct future process, so Watson the racist tweaked into U6.
quote:The group L3c of Watson et al. (1997) is renamed here as U6 (Richards et al. 1998) since it proves to constitute a part of haplogroup U (Richards et al. 1998) since it proves to constitute a part of haplogroup U.
—Rando JC1, Pinto F, González AM, Hernández M, Larruga JM, Cabrera VM, Bandelt HJ.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Bottom line, white supremacy benefits from good marketing and PR to propagate and maintain its lies and disinformation. And bottom line it is like a business. It makes sense for white Europeans to believe in such things because it is to their benefit. But folks have to also understand that in this day and age of mass media and instant communication, this is also being used to keep non white Europeans on the bandwagon. If you asked a large number of folks around the world if they would be willing to give up the technology and conveniences they have today to get rid of white supremacy a large number would say no. A large portion of the planet is perfectly fine and happy with going along with the paradigm of white domination = progress, even though in most cases white progress = non white destruction. What has created this mentality is all the last 500 years of educational, scientific, social and political domination and indoctrination based on misinformation, disinformation, lies and propaganda in support of white global domination. That is what all of these think tanks were designed for: promoting global long term global white domination.
But again, white nationalism is implicitly designed as a "grassroots" campaign to "humanize" European global domination and make it seem benign and beneficial. For example, Alex Jones keeps talking about the globalists this and globalists that, as if American nationalism is something separate from the global system of white domination that created America in the first place. The network of European colonies around the world are partly the foundation of and backbone of global European domination. But that is what the nationalists are there for, to spin it and make it seem as if their concept of "nationhood" is separate from the global system of European domination, aka globalism.
I don't know if white nationalism is really a humanization campaign. Many folk see it was quite opposite. What the game is these days is to hide, screen, soft-soap and otherwise maintain "plausible denial." So "alt-right" types will often downplay the "nationalism" part, as part of that deception strategy..
But what you say has a point. Re nationalism and globalism though, in some ways the global project undermines LOCAL white nationalisms. Which is why why some of the most bitter protest by the white nationalists is against globalism, for globalism wipes out and hollows out industries white workers used to depend on, brings in more immigrants and thus undercuts white hegemony and so on. So national level racialists are very uncomfortable with aspects of globalism.. But on a MACRO, higher level- is it still all an overall system of supremacy, especially as regards the bankstas and global elites? Sure.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: LALALA, the same article says:
The haplogroup of PM1 falls within the U clade [Fig. 1B and Supplementary Table 3], which derived from the macro-haplogroup N possibly connected to the Out of Africa migration around 60–70 ky cal BP1,2,3,4
And NO specimen has been tested in Africa.
And the FACT remains that U6a2 is most common in East Africa!!!!!!!! lol
Everything outside of Africa is connected to the Out of Africa migration.
Does that mean every haplogroup is African in origin?
You think it does
but it does not
connection ≠ origin
If a human being leaves Africa and then a mutation occurs outside of Africa, that mutation is not African and that is what these haplogroups are, mutations that occur in various places
and JK2888 is B.C. 97-2 of the Ptolemaic period
Your favorite website:
quote: The largely intact facial bones indicate a woman with "rugged traits". This mosaic of features mirrors that seen in the Peștera cu Oase find, indicating possible Neanderthal admixture or generally robust (archaic) traits (or both).[2] The early date makes the find referable to the early Cro-Magnon group of finds.
On the basis of radiocarbon dating and also the analysis of the archaeological context, some researchers advanced the hypothesis of the association of these bones with Cro-Magnons and the Aurignacian archaeological culture. Others mention the possibility that these findings could belong to a certain regional culture from the Southern Carpathians, from the period of the Final Middle Paleolithic and Early Upper Paleolithic.
—wiki
The Pre-Aurignacian and Mousterian originated in Africa.
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Recently, the Libyan MSA has been divided into two phases (Garcea, 2010): an early Middle Stone Age, defined by open air sites in the Central Sahara and some sites in caves on the Mediterranean coast, such as the Haua Fteah (where it was identified as MSA with a Levallois technology, and Pre-Aurignacian with Levallois, discoid and blade technology); and a recent MSA phase that corresponds to the Aterian (Garcea, 2010: 37). This classification requires further testing.
In Libya, two Aterian and one MSA occurrences have been dated to the ‘Late Aterian Phase’: Jebel Gharbi (85e43 ka), and the Fazzan caves of Uan Tabu and Uan Afuda; the former has Aterian levels dated to 61 ` 10 ka, while at Uan Afuda an MSA level is dated to 90e 70 ka (Martini et al., 1998; di Lernia, 1999; Garcea, 2001). Else- where, a broad late Middle/Upper Pleistocene date of 150e40 ka has been proposed for the Aterian occupation of the Adrar Bous in Niger (Williams, 2008), and 70e40 ka in Egypt (Hawkins, 2001). Therefore, the current consensus view would suggest that the Aterian is a North African lithic tradition that follows a generalized local MSA tradition at the beginning of the last interglacial (MIS5d/ c), although as mentioned above, sites such as Ifri n’Ammar may be indicative of an earlier Aterian presence. The few dated stratigraphic sequences further point to important discontinuities between these two phases of MSA and MSA/Aterian occupation.
These apparent discontinuities in chronology and technology between the MSA and the Aterian in North Africa raise the question of the nature of the relationship between the two industries. The traditional interpretation has been that the Aterian represents a local facies of the North African Mousterian, sometimes described as an ‘evolved Mousterian’ (Tixier, 1959; Balout, 1965), or as an ‘Epi- Mousterian’ (Bordes, 1961). From a technological perspective, the characterization of the generalized North African MP/MSA is not simple. Techno-typological definitions of the non-Aterian MP/MSA industries in the Maghreb are unclear: Aumassip (2001) suggests a relative rarity of retouched tools and a relatively high frequency of sidescrapers, while for others abundant and diversified side- scrapers mainly produced on Levallois blanks are what characterize non-Aterian MP/MSA assemblages in the area (Wengler, 2010: 68). However, non-Aterian regional variation in the MSA is high. Aumassip (2004) identifies a number of traditions within a scheme of Mousterian variation very similar to European Mousterian facies e (a) Mousterian of Acheulean tradition, rich in small bifaces and Levallois debitage, frequent in Morocco and the Maghrebian Sahara; (b) Denticulate Mousterian in Egypt and the Maghreb, rich in denticulates and notches; (c) Typical Mousterian across North Africa; (d) Ferrassie-type Mousterian in the Maghreb, rich in scrapers and points and without bifaces; (e) Nubian Mousterian in Egypt and Sudan, characterized by the Levallois production of Nubian points, as well as (f) the Khormusan, a distinct facies of the Sudanese record (Marks, 1968; Goder-Goldeger, 2013). However, Aumassip’s classification of the non-Aterian MP/MSA of North Africa has been criticized on the grounds that it uses a European rather than African framework, and specifically excludes a number of sites from this North African ‘Mousterian’ variation e those described by Clark and others as ‘Middle Stone Age’ in Niger and Mali, and a set of very localized industries, such as those from M’zab and Dede in Algeria. To these, one could add the Pre-Aurignacian of Cyrenaica (McBurney, 1967). This highlights the point made earlier, that to understand the Aterian and its relationship to the MSA requires a broader comparative approach to technology, and that comparative framework must be Africa.
Aterian origins have usually been thought to lie in the Maghreb (Debčnath et al., 1986; Pasty, 1997), although this view has been strongly criticized (Kleindienst, 1998: 8). Alternative origins have been suggested in sub-Saharan Africa, pointing to affinities with industries with foliates, such as the Lupemban and Sangoan (Caton- Thompson, 1946; Clark, 1982, 2008; Kleindienst, 1998; Wengler, 2010; Garcea, 2012). Sub-Saharan links are pertinent, since all human fossil remains found in association with the Aterian are those of H. sapiens, thus representing one of the main regional early human populations of Africa prior to the colonization of Eurasia.
—Robert A. Foleya, José Manuel Maíllo-Fernándezb, Marta Mirazón Lahra
Volume 300, 25 June 2013, Pages 153–170
The Middle Palaeolithic in the Desert
The Middle Stone Age of the Central Sahara: Biogeographical opportunities and technological strategies in later human evolution
So the FACT remains that U6a2 is most common in East Africa!!!!!!!! lol It mutated there 20Kya.
Then why have you been showing this map with U6a focused on West Africa?
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Your argument is rootless and toothless, West Africa has its MUTATIONS and the FACT remains that U6a2 is most common in East Africa!!!!!!!! lol It mutated there 20Kya.
The heterogeneity in these African populations is by far more complex than any population outside of Africa.
All these claims you've posted are based in fragmented data, based on a skim African data base, where most of Africa was not even tested and still is not even tested. Yet, they already see most diversity within African populations.
What do you think we are, stupid?
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: The Old Kingdom is the period in the third millennium BC when Egypt attained its first continuous peak of civilization – the first of three so-called "Kingdom" periods (followed by the Middle Kingdom and New Kingdom) which mark the high points of civilization in the lower Nile Valley. The term itself was coined by eighteenth-century historians and the distinction between the Old Kingdom and the Early Dynastic Period is not one which would have been recognized by Ancient Egyptians. Not only was the last king of the Early Dynastic Period related to the first two kings of the Old Kingdom, but the 'capital', the royal residence, remained at Ineb-Hedg, the Ancient Egyptian name for Memphis.
For instance, Mr. Welch writes, ''The ancient Egyptians, as is true of all peoples of Northern Africa, were basically Caucasoid, though there were Caucasian-Negro mixtures in Southern Egypt.'' In fact, it appears that North Africans and Lower Egyptians were predominantly Caucasian but with significant Negro mixtures, while early Upper or Southern Egyptian human remains show close resemblances to those from tropical Africa. There is also no doubt that the First Egyptian Dynasty was founded from the South as were the great Middle and New Kingdoms.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ^^^ here comes the spam
Yep, and here you have the oh shyt, I have no common sense response. Lemmy just use anotha' troll argument.
See, I understand your eurocentric devotion and how important it is to you, but it's your inability of reasoning with logic, which makes you call these studies I post spam. It's a typical argument eurocentrist use when being cornered. Also at forumbiodiversity et al we see this.
When Homo sapiens turned up in prehistoric Europe, they ran into the Neanderthals. The two types of human were similar enough – intellectually and culturally - to interbreed. But as more Homo sapiens moved into Europe and the population increased, there was an explosion of art and symbolic thought which overwhelmed the Neanderthals.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: The Old Kingdom is the period in the third millennium BC when Egypt attained its first continuous peak of civilization – the first of three so-called "Kingdom" periods (followed by the Middle Kingdom and New Kingdom) which mark the high points of civilization in the lower Nile Valley. The term itself was coined by eighteenth-century historians and the distinction between the Old Kingdom and the Early Dynastic Period is not one which would have been recognized by Ancient Egyptians. Not only was the last king of the Early Dynastic Period related to the first two kings of the Old Kingdom, but the 'capital', the royal residence, remained at Ineb-Hedg, the Ancient Egyptian name for Memphis.
For instance, Mr. Welch writes, ''The ancient Egyptians, as is true of all peoples of Northern Africa, were basically Caucasoid, though there were Caucasian-Negro mixtures in Southern Egypt.'' In fact, it appears that North Africans and Lower Egyptians were predominantly Caucasian but with significant Negro mixtures, while early Upper or Southern Egyptian human remains show close resemblances to those from tropical Africa. There is also no doubt that the First Egyptian Dynasty was founded from the South as were the great Middle and New Kingdoms.
These things are facts, and have been confirmed over and over again, despite the lioness "the African American woman", has been fighting against these facts for many years. I think it's been over a decade the lioness has been fighting this.
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One has to understand how detrimental white supremacy is. It is deep rooted in all fields of science within the western world, whether consciously or subconsciously. We can literally trace this time and time again. And it is miserable.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: the FACT remains that U6a2 is most common in East Africa!!!!!!!!
^^ But your source and the map says: (U6) showing an increasing frequency gradient from Eastern (1.09–1.57% in Egypt) to Western North Africa (8.89% in the Magreb) Higher in the West as the map shows
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La Gomera people
Haplogroup U6 is common (with a prevalence of around 10%)in Northwest Africa (with a maximum of 29% in an Algerian Mozabites) and the Canary Islands (18% on average with a peak frequency of 50.1% in La Gomera
These La Gomera people have the highest frequencies
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: the FACT remains that U6a2 is most common in East Africa!!!!!!!!
^^ But your source and the map says: (U6) showing an increasing frequency gradient from Eastern (1.09–1.57% in Egypt) to Western North Africa (8.89% in the Magreb) Higher in the West as the map shpws
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La Gomera people
Haplogroup U6 is common (with a prevalence of around 10%)in Northwest Africa (with a maximum of 29% in an Algerian Mozabites) and the Canary Islands (18% on average with a peak frequency of 50.1% in La Gomera
These La Gomera people have the highest frequencies
Ish ????
Lawd, this is how I KNOW that you have never been to the US. FACTS. 30 - 40% of these people in this picture would be or could be classified as Negroes over here. None of these"Eurafricans" are as "Caucasoid" as this Somali
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: the FACT remains that U6a2 is most common in East Africa!!!!!!!!
https://i.imgbox.com/yJ2njx6C.jpg
^^ But your source and the map says: (U6) showing an increasing frequency gradient from Eastern (1.09–1.57% in Egypt) to Western North Africa (8.89% in the Magreb) Higher in the West as the map shows
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La Gomera people
Haplogroup U6 is common (with a prevalence of around 10%)in Northwest Africa (with a maximum of 29% in an Algerian Mozabites) and the Canary Islands (18% on average with a peak frequency of 50.1% in La Gomera
These La Gomera people have the highest frequencies
Ish ????
LOL At the picture spam.
The FACT remains that U6a2 is most common in East Africa!!!!!!!!
The level of desperateness is amazing, amusing and sad.
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30 - 40% of these people in this picture would be or could be classified as Negroes over here.
Left to right 8 people, let's use 1 to 8 top to bottom a ,b, c, d ("a" is top)
Can you pick out for us 5 "Negroes" in the picture as per Florida standards?
LOL at you picture spams. LOL at the "Negroes" rant. What the heck are Florida standards? I don't live in that type of world. Please tell me more about Florida.
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30 - 40% of these people in this picture would be or could be classified as Negroes over here.
Left to right 8 people, let's use 1 to 8 top to bottom a ,b, c, d ("a" is top)
Can you pick out for us 5 "Negroes" in the picture as per Florida standards?
If you are a REAL American you could do this yourself, there is no more expert on blackness than White folk. This is how I KNOW you are neither American white folk nor black folk... it is part of American culture and for that matter New World culture.Here is a chart Euro's used back in the day maybe it can be helpful to you
The majority are Morisco & Chino, they are a Espanola which is basically North African with an African mix (substratum)
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The FACT remains that U6a2 is most common in East Africa!!!!!!!!
Let us know when you have supporting evidence that U6 is more common in East Africa than in the Western Maghreb
But first calm your emotions, take 5
Callm, STFU!
The FACT remains that U6a2 is most common in East Africa!!!!!!!! It mutated in east Africa 20Kya.
Your level of desperateness is amazing, amusing and sad.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: LOL at you picture spams. LOL at the "Negroes" rant. What the heck are Florida standards? I don't live in that type of world. Please tell me more about Florida.
Andromeda is the expert on Florida, he can elaborate on Florida standards.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: LOL at you picture spams. LOL at the "Negroes" rant. What the heck are Florida standards? I don't live in that type of world. Please tell me more about Florida.
Andromeda is the expert on Florida, he can elaborate on Florida standards.
LOL I am asking you, it was you who mentioned this to me.
Have some decency for once, and reply.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: LOL at you picture spams. LOL at the "Negroes" rant. What the heck are Florida standards? I don't live in that type of world. Please tell me more about Florida.
Andromeda is the expert on Florida, he can elaborate on Florida standards.
LOL I am asking you, it was you who mentioned this to me.
Have some decency for once, and reply.
Wake up kid, Andromeda is in the sunshine state right now! He is the expert on orange juice etc,
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: LOL at you picture spams. LOL at the "Negroes" rant. What the heck are Florida standards? I don't live in that type of world. Please tell me more about Florida.
Andromeda is the expert on Florida, he can elaborate on Florida standards.
LOL I am asking you, it was you who mentioned this to me.
Have some decency for once, and reply.
Wake up kid, Andromeda is in the sunshine state right now! He is the expert on orange juice etc,
Kid? lol SMH
I am waiting for you to reply. It was you who addressed this to me, dude. So answer me.
Btw, I have not even elaborate on this that deep. If I so you will cry.
quote:The group L3c of Watson et al. (1997) is renamed here as U6 (Richards et al. 1998) since it proves to constitute a part of haplogroup U (Richards et al. 1998) since it proves to constitute a part of haplogroup U.
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In contrast, subhaplogroups L3c and L3d have somewhat younger divergence times—28,300–37,300 YBP and 17,600–23,200 YBP, respectively (table 4)—suggesting that they emerged after the evolution of L3a and L3b.
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This analysis confirmed the distinctive nature of haplogroups L1–L3, which we previously had described (Chen et al. 1995), and also revealed that haplogroup L3 has three distinct sublineages: L3a, L3b, and L3c (Watson et al. 1997).
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Since two of the L3d haplotypes (i.e., AF01 and AF02) identified in our study possess the HinfI np-12308 site-gain marker for haplogroup U (Torroni et al. 1996), haplotype U could have arisen in Africa and migrated into Europe. Consistent with this hypothesis, the third haplotype in this subhaplogroup (i.e., AF03) lacks this haplogroup U marker but clusters with the haplogroup U mtDNAs. Hence, AF03 could be an African precursor to haplogroup U; alternatively, the haplogroup U mtDNAs in our sample may have been introduced into Africa by a back-migration/flow of European mtDNAs. Additional L3d mtDNAs, from other African populations, will need to be analyzed to further clarify the relationship of African haplogroup L3 and L3d mtDNAs to European mtDNA haplogroups.
White supremacy for sure is funny, don't you think "Africana expert"?
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: LOL at you picture spams. LOL at the "Negroes" rant. What the heck are Florida standards? I don't live in that type of world. Please tell me more about Florida.
Andromeda is the expert on Florida, he can elaborate on Florida standards.
LOL I am asking you, it was you who mentioned this to me.
Have some decency for once, and reply.
Wake up kid, Andromeda is in the sunshine state right now! He is the expert on orange juice etc,
Lmao! I am an internationl byatch... anyway do me a favor pick your African & Pick you Urasian
Think carefully! Choose well.... Florida be damn we are in Murikkka...
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^^^ Please remove the oversized image. Look for the cropped one at google search, images. This one is "1920 × 1080".
quote:Originally posted by Andromeda2025:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Andromeda2025:
La Gomera people
30 - 40% of these people in this picture would be or could be classified as Negroes over here.
Left to right 8 people, let's use 1 to 8 top to bottom a ,b, c, d ("a" is top)
Can you pick out for us 5 "Negroes" in the picture as per Florida standards?
If you are a REAL American you could do this yourself, there is no more expert on blackness than White folk. This is how I KNOW you are neither American white folk nor black folk... it is part of American culture and for that matter New World culture.Here is a chart Euro's used back in the day maybe it can be helpful to you
The majority are Morisco & Chino, they are a Espanola which is basically North African with an African mix (substratum)
It takes an incredible long time for the lioness, the "Africana expert", to reply to you.
Anyway,
quote:The Original Inhabitants, the Ancient Canarians
It is assumed that the Ancient Canarians on La Gomera, had neither contact to Africa nor to the neighbouring islands. the peaceful people lived in a stone-age culture. Mostly they were farmers and shepherds, who also sustained themselves by fishing and clothing themselves with furs. The social structure of the Ancient Canarians, which was based on the principal of equality, is seen as highly developed.
Cloak of Oblivion
The geographic location of La Gomera, as with all of the Canary Islands, was known very early on. The mathematician and geographer Ptolemy determined the exact location of La Gomera between 85 and 160 A.D. However a cloak of (European) oblivion fell over the island of eternal spring.
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