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@Djehuti ''The problem is that Europeans carry genes that are not unique to Europe. For example, Europeans carry lineages and genes from the Neolithic Middle East as well as North Eurasia which again is shared with folk like the Kalash and other Central Asians.''
This is the problem when you discuss race in general. People are super sensitive. What are true authentic European genes?
One of the main problems is people are lumping Race and Geographic region together when both need to be separated. Race/Genes ultimately are Independent of Geographic region. The Genes of a particular Individual/group do not not magically transform into the genes of another race if that Individual/group migrates to another region. No matter how many thousands upon thousands of years that individual/group's genes remain in that geographic region.
Another point is Europeans are not an ethnically singular homogeneous group of people. They are a mix of genetically similar/closely related tribes who intermixed. Europeans are Europeans because they share a phenotypic similarity with each other and are a mix of people who are genetically similar.
Ancient and Modern europeans would have had to have looked phenotypically similar to have been europeans. I mean if people are claiming groups of people who did not look phenotypically european as Genetically european people then european as a race has no meaning. Being european has no meaning. Then race has No meaning. The whole notion of race is based on people who look like they phenotypically fit in with each other, look like each other and look like they belong to the same race/group of people. Look like they share the same origins.
The issue of black skin color in ancient europe. Skin colour is not an indicator of race. European genes are european genes irrespective of skin color. If half of european people's skin was to turn dark tomorrow due to a mutation in there genes. As long as Europeans continued to mix with europeans. The dark skinned europeans would still be genetically europeans same as the light skinned europeans. Dark skinned europeans would phenotypically still fit in with light skinned europeans more than they would with any other race. Race is far far deeper then skin colour. A mutation occurring in a race which changes there phenotype does not genetically transform there race. The only indicator that would show a population's phenotype is a mix of ethnically different racial genes is if it can be shown there is no genetic continuity between that population and the other. That one population had an distinct racial identity (genetically and phenotypically) prior to mixture with the other. That the result of one population having the genes of another is due to intermixing. So to know what european genes are and if europeans are mixed race people you have to show they are carriers of genes that are genetically and phenotypically distinct from genes that are considered european genetically and phenotypically.
It all gets very complicated because people have been mixing for so long.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Neanderthals appeared in Europe before humans The earliest humans in Europe mated with them By around 30,000 years ago there were no pure Neanderthals left
There was never any pure Neanderthals. The Neanderthals were Blacks. They came from Africa and were just as African as the later Africans of the so-called OoA events.
It is time we stop pretending that the Neanderthals belong to a different species.
Let's look at the evolution of homo sapiens.
The Eves were also African
The Aurignacian people who replaced the Neanderthal looked like this .
. Below is the ancestor of Neanderthals
, This is Homo heidelbergensis or Rhodian man. He is called Rhodesia man because he was found in Africa.
. Here is a picture of Neanderthal man
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By 100kya Neanderthal looked like this
As you can see, there is little difference between the African ancestor of Neanderthals, and the Neanderthals themselves.
Here we have Cro-Magnon or Aurignacian man
Denisovans were also Blacks.
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: There was never any pure Neanderthals. The Neanderthals were Blacks. They came from Africa and were just as African as the later Africans of the so-called OoA events.
It is time we stop pretending that the Neanderthals belong to a different species.
Wrong, Neanderthals and Denisova are genetically different so stop the nonsense.
Neanderthals and Denisova mixed with Eurasians not Africans (except at trace levels in some Africans).
The Neanderthal sites are not in Africa, stop the nonsense.
There is not reason Neanderthals would not vary in skin tone according to what region they were in, stop the nonsense
The ones in Europe lived there for over 200,000 years
There is also recent research that indicates there are some other hominids that some Africans may have mixed with
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Curly hair unknown cause, not found in arboreal apes, my guess it evolved in hominins who inverted bowl nests into rainforest floor dome huts (domicile = dome shield) which were lifted for egress, where curled hair acted sensory.
Neanderthals apparently moved these wicker dome huts into caves during cold weather, and gradually made rigid pole huts of rectangular form which fit better the cave interior and also prevented cave-ins with thicker dried wood poles. Selection for curled hair was reduced, selection for ape-like straight hair via Neanderthals occurred outside Africa.
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: There was never any pure Neanderthals. The Neanderthals were Blacks. They came from Africa and were just as African as the later Africans of the so-called OoA events.
It is time we stop pretending that the Neanderthals belong to a different species.
Wrong, Neanderthals and Denisova are genetically different so stop the nonsense.
Neanderthals and Denisova mixed with Eurasians not Africans (except at trace levels in some Africans).
The Neanderthal sites are not in Africa, stop the nonsense.
There is not reason Neanderthals would not vary in skin tone according to what region they were in, stop the nonsense
The ones in Europe lived there for over 200,000 years
There is also recent research that indicates there are some other hominids that some Africans may have mixed with
This is the dogma. But they appear to look just like other ancient hominids. Researchers claim that at least 2% Neanderthal admixture in contemporary humans. Europeans are trying to eventually claim the Neanderthals were originally pale skinned, then they will admit that the Neanderthal are not a different species.
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LOL. Originally this man was identified as Y-Chromosome R1. Eurocentrist change the names of ancient homo sapiens to suit what ever agenda they establish.
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