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https://www.igenea.com/en/tutankhamun

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The haplogroup R-M269 arose about 9.500 years ago in the surrounding area of the Black Sea. The migration of this haplogroup into Europe started at the earliest with the spread of agriculture since 7.000 BC. It is ver probable that it is also connected to the Indoeuropeans who spread over Europe a little later in several waves of migrations.

In Egypt the contingent of this haplogroup is below 1% and partially caused by european immigration during the last 2.000 years.

Tutankhamun had been the last Pharao of the 18th dynasty and ruled from about 1.332 until 1.323 BC. His paternal lineage begins with Pharao Thutmose I. who ruled from about 1.504 until 1.492 BC. His paternal ancestry is unknown.

Therefore, it is still unclear how this line came from the region of origin to Egypt. The earliest evidence of agriculture dates back to 5000 BC. It is possible that Haplogroup R-M269 moved from the North to Egypt with the spread of agriculture from the region of the Fertile Crescent.

The fourth expansional wave of the probably indoeuropean Kurgan Culture between 2.500 and 2.200 BC is also a good candidate. This culture spread since 4.400 BC to Europe which explains the correlation with haplogroup R-M269. This haplogroup was also widespread in the indoeuropean Hittite empire in Anatolia. From the time of Akhenatens or Tuankhamuns reign a letter of an egyptian queen is known from the Hittite archives. In this letter she asks the Hittites King for one of his sons as a new Pharao because her husband died and she herself got no son.

The identity of the queen is unknown, perhaps the 18th dynasty was related to the Hittites, the origin of the R-M269-lineage could point to this.

The detailed context can only be clearified by further research. By the publication of the test result we want to contribute to the scientific discussion and bring it forward.


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At $1399 pop. Why not let the fools pay for the dream or delusion

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From a source that didnt provide enough information to predict a haplogroup.
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As I have said many times R-M269 is an African haplogroup, so there is no surprise in finding Tut's DNA belonging to this group. The kushites took this haplogroup to Europe. See: https://www.academia.edu/33990833/A_GENETIC_CHRONOLOGY_OF_AFRICAN_Y-CHROMOSOMES_R-V88_AND_R-M269_IN_AFRICA_AND_EURASIA

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interesting ..i was researching this topic. isn't it possible that the dna was also polluted by scientists own dna
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quote:
Originally posted by eritrea_cushite:
interesting ..i was researching this topic. isn't it possible that the dna was also polluted by scientists own dna

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_40fJhhZzds


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King Tut R1B Haplogroup Hoax

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tut-dna-claims-elicit-tut-tutting/


Tut DNA claims elicit tut-tutting

By Stephanie Pappas

August 4, 2011 / 5:15 PM / Livescience.com


A personal genomics company in Switzerland says they've reconstructed a DNA profile of King Tutankhamen by watching the Discovery Channel, claiming the results suggest more than half of Western European men are related to the boy king. But researchers who worked to decode Tut's genome in the first place say the claim is "unscientific."

Swiss genomics company iGENEA has launched a Tutankhamen DNA project based on what they say are genetic markers that appeared on a computer screen during a Discovery Channel special on the famous pharaoh's genetic lineage.

"Maybe they didn't know what they showed, but we got 16 markers from the Y chromosome from these pharaohs," Roman Scholz, the managing director of iGENEA, told LiveScience.

If the claims were true, it would put King Tut in a genetic profile group shared by more than half of Western European men. That would make those men relatives — albeit distant ones — of the pharaoh.

But Carsten Pusch, a geneticist at Germany's University of Tubingen who was part of the team that unraveled Tut's DNA from samples taken from his mummy and mummies of his family members, said that iGENEA's claims are "simply impossible." Pusch and his colleagues published part of their results, though not the Y-chromosome DNA, in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) in 2010. The Y chromosome is the sex chromosome found only in males, and looking at the genes in this chromosome would show Tut's male lineage.

Pusch's team used snippets of Y-chromosome DNA to link Tut to his closest relatives, identifying his mom and dad. But they didn't publish the full genetic data that would allow genomics companies like iGENEA to link modern people to the Tutankhamen lineage. According to Scholz, that crucial data is what appeared on the Discovery Channel.

"Dr. Albert Zink from the EURAC [European Academy of Bolzano, an independent research center] in Bolzano and co-author of the 2010 JAMA publication screened the footage and confirmed that the company acts very unscientific," Pusch wrote in an email to LiveScience. "The Swiss company did not try to get into contact with us prior to launching their new Internet page."

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youtube video of

DISCOVERY CHANNEL

King Tut Unwrapped Ep.1 - part 2


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr-HR-ckKX8

At time 4:08 in this video the private testing company iGENEA claims that they were able to see the unreleased allele numbers that were shown in footage of the computer screen to determine the haplotype of Tutankhamun. They were not officially given this information. They claimed he was R-M269
the most common male haplogroup in Europe and some news sources including Reuters reported this

However although we can see the marker DYS393 in the video but that allele is not enough to make a determination and DYS393 was already mentioned in an official article of the Hawass team . There are more alleles on the computer screen but people say they are too blurry to see.
If I'm not mistaken only 3 STRs were published
DYS393=13, DYS458=16, GATA-H4=10

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