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Panteus and Boteus reported that Jesus was born in a cave in Ethiopia

is there any truth to this?

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im guessing nobody has an answer to this question.

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Well, a quick Google comes up with absolutely no hint of any Panteus and Boteus outside of this precise Ethiopian cave thing. Curious where it came from.
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OK, I figured "Boteus" might be the famous philosopher Boethius (c. 480-524 AD), and found a claim attributed to Yosef ben Jochannan that "Tantius and Boethius" were the true founders of Christianity. I can't find any Tantius, though there was an Numidian Roman author named Lactantius (c. 250-325 AD).

Boethius may have studied in Alexandria, and there was a Saint Pantaenus the Philosopher of Alexandria (died c. 200 AD). There were also some less famous Boethii at other times.

So I would guess "Panteus and Boteus" are Pantaenus and Boethius, possibly muddled with Lactantius and Boethius.

Though obviously it's highly doubtful, to put it mildly, that any of these early Christian authors would have claimed Jesus was born in a cave in Ethiopia.

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so did Yosef ben Jochannan make it up?

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[QB] Panteus and Boteus reported that Jesus was born in a cave in Ethiopia


Professor Locksley D.M. Geoghagen

http://www.melanet.com/clegg_series/wasjesusblack.html
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MAAT: Now that you have made these astounding revelations concerning the life of Jesus and the origins of his teachings, let us return to our original question: Was this figure of world renown a Black man? And, if so, are there any paintings, statues or icons that portray him as such?

Geoghagen: Indeed, Jesus was a Black man, and there are numerous early paintings, statues and icons that graphically depict both Mary and Jesus as Black people. According to Godfrey Higgins (author of the monumental historical document Anacalypsis), who visited the cathedrals of Europe before the anti-religious period of the French Revolution, all the madonnas and Christ-childs were depicted as black: "In all the Romish countries of Europe, in France, Italy, Germany, etc., the God, Christ, as well as his mother are described in the old pictures to be black. The infant God in the arms of his black mother, his eyes drapery white, is himself perfectly black. If the reader doubts my words, he may go to the cathedral of Moulins - to the famous chapel of the Virgin of Loretto, to the Church of Annunciata; the Church of St. Lazaro, or the Church of St. Stephen at Genoa, to St. Francisco at Pisa; to the Church of Brixer in the Tyrol, and that of Padua; to the Church of St. Theodore at Munich, etc. This is further supported and documented by the work of J.A. Rogers, Albert Churchward, Yosef ben-Jochannan, C.W. King, J.S. Matthews, Gerald Massey and various other writers who give detailed accounts of the original Black Mary and Jesus. It was with the advent of Michaelango, who used his family to pose for the paintings that he did of Jesus, Mary, Joseph, etc. - coupled with European white racism - that we begin to see Jesus portrayed as a white man. But how could it be otherwise? How could a group of people simultaneously proclaim and practice white racism and justify slavery under the guise of bringing the message of Christianity to the 'heathens' or 'pagan black savages' in Africa - and at the same time tell the truth that Jesus was a Black man and that in fact Christianity started in Africa, where Panteus and Boteus reported that Jesus was born in a cave in Ethiopia? And that it was not until the Nicene conference that Jesus' birthplace was changed to a stable in Bethlehem.

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(The Africentric Voice of The Internet, 1997,

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Question and answer session with Drs. Ben and Clarke at the African Jubilee Year held in London, England, 6 March 1986 County Hall.

“Question: And you do mention Ethiopia?”

“Dr. Ben: That was not until the Nicene Conference in 325 A.D. ordered by Constantine, the Roman Emperor, when he appointed the 219 Bishops, because there was such an argument among the African Bishops who had started the church in Alexandria with Panteus and Boetius. What happened at the Conference was that the Romans and other Europeans could not have a woman at the head of a religion, in the person of the Goddess Isis, which later became the Greek name for Aset. It said ‘Holy Aset, blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Heru’, which became ‘Holy Mary, Mother of God, blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus’. Aset was worshipped before Heru, her son; Mary was worshipped before Jesus.”
“The European did not set a woman over a man, and thus Constantine ordered 219 bishops to revise the whole thing to make Jesus higher than his mother, who became the mother of God, and changed the Herculean worship of Aset. And it is at that point that Jesus not only became higher than his mother, but became born in Bethlehem instead of a cave in Ethiopia. It is at the Conference that they equally took out eighteen books of the Bible, thus giving you a book with eighteen chapters missing. The reason for this is that one of the books called The Book of Genealogy speaks of Jesus with the skin of a chimney. I don’t need to ask you what it is. In the book of Matthew we read of the Angel of the Lord telling Mary and Joseph to take the little boy into Africa. Of course, the Bible doesn’t say Africa, but Egypt. If he said take the little boy to London it would mean England, right? Herod the King was going to kill the little boy, so Herod had his men check every family, and every household for this little, golden-haired boy.”

--Book title “Our Story: A Handbook of African History and Contemporary Issues”


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Africa, Mother Africa, as I prefer to call her, understanding that the Greeks called her Africa in about 500–400 B.C. I’m talking about the time when the first Greeks who had gone to Pyrrus, who had come into Egypt by way of Leba (now called Libya) and established their little villages in a little enclave, they then called Africa long before the continent was partitioned by the colonialists. I am speaking about 11.3 or 11.5 million square miles of land, where first the concept of a God and Goddess Nut is shown as the mother of the sky. Symbolically, the God Geb, the god of the earth, lived in a little chapel in the center of Hathor. The African woman is giving birth even to the sun, in the morning through her vagina and receiving the sun back in the evening through her mouth. This shows the whole rotation of the world, long before the world had a beginning and an end. These Africans along the Nile were to do more of this. They were to give us a God Osiris, where people went yearly to pay pilgrimage long before there was a wailing wall in Palestine or a myth of a Jesus born in Bethlehem, which changed at the Nicene Conference of Bishops, ordered by Constantine and removed from a cave in Ethiopia to a manger in Bethlehem.

-- The African Contribution to Technology and Science
by Yosef ben-Jochannan (1986)



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Where is the Dr. Ben quote where he mentionsPanteus and Boteus?
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This anti woman theme from the Euro Christians is akin to Arab themed Islam with Goddess Allat being replaced by Allah a male figure. This 325 C.E.church conference sure was not liberal in outlook.

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Sounds like ben-Yochannan was referring to the (bogus) theory of Jesus being a rehash of the Osiris myth, rather than Jesus as a man being born in Ethiopia. Was Osiris (or Horus?) supposed to have been born in a cave?

The quote above from ben-Yochannan does not actually claim that "Panteus and Boethius" said Jesus was born in a cave in Ethiopia, but that they were Egyptian Church fathers who were at the Council of Nicaea when Christianity was born from ancient Egyptian religion. It is Geoghagen who seems to be making this claim, possibly from a misreading of ben-Yochannan.

Thanks for digging those up, Lioness.

This is all of course total bullshit.

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^It's Horus... from what I can remember hathor assisted his birth... it's quite similar to the immaculate conception and birth of Christ in the bible.
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i found another version where Bocius' and 'Buncius are mentioned
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From an Afrikan World View, the myth of 'Jesus' began around 30 BC with the story that 'Bocius' and 'Buncius' were born in a cave in Ethiopia. Since the continent of Afrika was termed 'Ethiopia', derived from the Roman 'Ethiopi' which means 'People with scorch face' even from the terminology of 'ethiopi', there is no rational for the belief that 'Jesus' could be anything but an Afrikan. So the question has to be asked, where did this 'Cracker' come from? As the enslaved Afrikans underwent 'Ife Akono' (defiled spirit) by the duel indoctrination of 'King James' Bible' and Micheal D'Angelo' painting of 'Jesus' in the 12th Bazilica,1611, we surrendered to 'Elenini ( blocked spiritual development) as apart of our maafa (great destruction). As the Yurugu (incomplete being) hegemony bambard our minds with these images and concepts on a daily basis, and intensified every Sunday, not to mention the other 'holydays', our resistance level has surrendered to the Ife Akono (defiled spirit). As our esteem deceased Elder Dr. John Henry Clarke, said, 'The Whiteman has not only colonized our lands but they have colonized the very concept of "GOD". Now the organ of British racism, the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) masquerading as 'Objectivity' will take this gross absurdity to another level. Such bathos!!! must be condemned.
Wa Maat
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Dr. Kuba O. Assegai
Connecticut, USA.

http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/bbcjesus.htm

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I already posted the source of this claim

interview with Professor Locksley D.M. Geoghagen

Was Jesus Black?

http://www.melanet.com/clegg_series/wasjesusblack.html

(originally on video)

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Professor Locksley D.M. Geoghagen is one of the few black authorities on the origin of the Christian religion. A scholar of African-Jamaican ancestry, he has served as the Associate Director of the Educational Opportunities Program and a teacher in the Education Department at Cal Poly College, San Luis Obispo, California. He is a learning specialist with expertise in brain physiology, especially the cerebral hemisphere, and has teaching credentials on the community college level in psychology, education, political science, counseling and pupil personnel. Professor Geoghagen is also the coordinator of Leadership Programs at Cal Poly College


you can contact him on facebook and ask him about it

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=426344987482232&story_fbid=426729607443770___________________

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quote:
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Panteus and Boteus reported that Jesus was born in a cave in Ethiopia

is there any truth to this?

Jesus, 1st century AD

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http://referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/brill-s-new-pauly/panteus-e906360


Panteus, 3rd century BC


(Παντεύς; Panteús). Spartan, who in 223 BC successfully commanded two Spartan units under Cleomenes [6] III in the attack on Megalopolis (Plut. Cleomenes 23,5-6). After the battle of Sellasia, he fled to Egypt with Cleomenes , where he committed suicide after the latter's failed attempt to free himself from internment

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Pontius Pilate?

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Oh, it's a different Panateus in Alexandria

Saint Pantaenus the Philosopher (Greek: Πάνταινος; died c. 200)[1] was a Greek theologian and a significant figure in the Catechetical School of Alexandria from around AD 180. This school was the earliest catechetical school, and became influential in the development of Christian theology.

Pantaenus was a Stoic philosopher teaching in Alexandria. He converted to the Christian faith, and sought to reconcile his new faith with Greek philosophy. His most famous student, Clement, who was his successor as head of the Catechetical School, described Pantaenus as "the Sicilian bee".[2] Although no writings by Pantaenus are extant,[3] his legacy is known by the influence of the Catechetical School on the development of Christian theology, in particular in the early debates on the interpretation of the Bible, the Trinity, and Christology. He was the main supporter of Serapion of Antioch for acting against the influence of Gnosticism.

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by the questioner:
Panteus and Boteus reported that Jesus was born in a cave in Ethiopia

is there any truth to this?

Jesus, 1st century AD

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http://referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/brill-s-new-pauly/panteus-e906360


Panteus, 3rd century BC


(Παντεύς; Panteús). Spartan, who in 223 BC successfully commanded two Spartan units under Cleomenes [6] III in the attack on Megalopolis (Plut. Cleomenes 23,5-6). After the battle of Sellasia, he fled to Egypt with Cleomenes , where he committed suicide after the latter's failed attempt to free himself from internment

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Pontius Pilate?

it could be a different Panteús

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It's the one in my previous post:

Saint Pantaenus the Philosopher was a Greek theologian and a significant figure in the Catechetical School of Alexandria from around AD 180.

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quote:
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It's the one in my previous post:

Saint Pantaenus the Philosopher was a Greek theologian and a significant figure in the Catechetical School of Alexandria from around AD 180.

Did he say Jesus was born in Ethiopia

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
It's the one in my previous post:

Saint Pantaenus the Philosopher was a Greek theologian and a significant figure in the Catechetical School of Alexandria from around AD 180.

Did he say Jesus was born in Ethiopia
'

If he said that I think it would be more widely known.
Maybe it is is an interpretation of something he said or just made up

try checking here:

http://www.google.com/search?q=Pantaenus+ethiopia+jesus&safe=off&hl=en&gbv=

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quote:
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Panteus and Boteus reported that Jesus was born in a cave in Ethiopia

is there any truth to this?

better question:

who are Panteus and Boteus ?

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by the questioner:
Panteus and Boteus reported that Jesus was born in a cave in Ethiopia

is there any truth to this?

better question:

who are Panteus and Boteus ?

not really

the question is more geared towards "Jesus being born in a cave in Ethiopia" than Panteus and Boteus

That is why i asked if there is ANY truth to this.

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quote:
Originally posted by capra:
This is all of course total bullshit.

This may be one of those cases where truth is stranger than fiction.

A 5,000-year unique painting from Egypt suggests the world’s oldest known ‘nativity scene’
https://www.realmofhistory.com/2016/12/27/5000-year-nativity-scene-egypt/

Shout out to the person who brought this cool ass rock art to my attention. Forgot who it was.

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So Jesus was born 5,000 years ago?


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A nativity scene would not have an adult male in it

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quote:
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So Jesus was born 5,000 years ago?

I'm not wedded to the idea. It was just food for thought. But yeah, elements of Jesus' story may predate him. Only the last three years of Jesus' life were recorded. No one really knows what he did in most of the first thirty years years of his life, which may not be a coincidence. Evidence shows that modern day sects tend to fill narratives of their early years with alternative facts. It's possible that elements from older myths seeped into accounts of Jesus' early life and that those elements later caught up with him (i.e. in the form of syncretism with the >5000ky old "Egyptian Jesus").

Based on Jesus' pedigree, I don't think he would've stood out from contemporary Jews, appearance wise. But, like I said, syncretism with older religious motifs could have led to things like the "black Madonna" statues.

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TQ: "Since the continent of Afrika was termed 'Ethiopia', derived from the Roman 'Ethiopi' which means 'People with scorch face' even from the terminology of 'ethiopi'"

(e)thio.pia/theo.p/heo.fan/hea.van/zio.n@Hebrew:high-on/tia.n@Chinese:heaven

The meaning originally had NOTHING to do with Scorched face of humans, but the red rock cliffs of Eritrea and the highlands.

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quote:
Originally posted by DD'eDeN:
TQ: "Since the continent of Afrika was termed 'Ethiopia', derived from the Roman 'Ethiopi' which means 'People with scorch face' even from the terminology of 'ethiopi'"

(e)thio.pia/theo.p/heo.fan/hea.van/zio.n@Hebrew:high-on/tia.n@Chinese:heaven

The meaning originally had NOTHING to do with Scorched face of humans, but the red rock cliffs of Eritrea and the highlands.

Ethiop meaning scorched face is a folk etymology created during the renaissance.

There is no ancient evidence that the Ancient Greeks defined the word as meaning "scorched face".

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quote:
Originally posted by the questioner:
quote:
Originally posted by DD'eDeN:
TQ: "Since the continent of Afrika was termed 'Ethiopia', derived from the Roman 'Ethiopi' which means 'People with scorch face' even from the terminology of 'ethiopi'"

(e)thio.pia/theo.p/heo.fan/hea.van/zio.n@Hebrew:high-on/tia.n@Chinese:heaven

The meaning originally had NOTHING to do with Scorched face of humans, but the red rock cliffs of Eritrea and the highlands.

Ethiop meaning scorched face is a folk etymology created during the renaissance.

There is no ancient evidence that the Ancient Greeks defined the word as meaning "scorched face".

what is the original meaning of aithiops ?
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by the questioner:
quote:
Originally posted by DD'eDeN:
TQ: "Since the continent of Afrika was termed 'Ethiopia', derived from the Roman 'Ethiopi' which means 'People with scorch face' even from the terminology of 'ethiopi'"

(e)thio.pia/theo.p/heo.fan/hea.van/zio.n@Hebrew:high-on/tia.n@Chinese:heaven

The meaning originally had NOTHING to do with Scorched face of humans, but the red rock cliffs of Eritrea and the highlands.

Ethiop meaning scorched face is a folk etymology created during the renaissance.

There is no ancient evidence that the Ancient Greeks defined the word as meaning "scorched face".

what is the original meaning of aithiops ?
the meaning is obscured

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quote:
Originally posted by the questioner:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by the questioner:
quote:
Originally posted by DD'eDeN:
TQ: "Since the continent of Afrika was termed 'Ethiopia', derived from the Roman 'Ethiopi' which means 'People with scorch face' even from the terminology of 'ethiopi'"

(e)thio.pia/theo.p/heo.fan/hea.van/zio.n@Hebrew:high-on/tia.n@Chinese:heaven

The meaning originally had NOTHING to do with Scorched face of humans, but the red rock cliffs of Eritrea and the highlands.

Ethiop meaning scorched face is a folk etymology created during the renaissance.

There is no ancient evidence that the Ancient Greeks defined the word as meaning "scorched face".

what is the original meaning of aithiops ?
the meaning is obscured
what do you mean "obscured" ?

Do you mean "unknown" ?

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I've read old threads on here and elsewhere tackling this issue, regarding the etymology of Ancient Ethiopia. ...There's also a belief that Psalms 87 somehow indicates that god was born in ethiopia, which I took to believe was referencing the continent in the KJV, due to Abyssinia and Kush being distinct.

I would like to see more discussed on this issue.

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TQ: "Since the continent of Afrika was termed 'Ethiopia', derived from the Roman 'Ethiopi' which means 'People with scorch face' even from the terminology of 'ethiopi'"

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The meaning originally had NOTHING to do with Scorched face of humans, but the red rock cliffs of Eritrea and the highlands.

Ethiop meaning scorched face is a folk etymology created during the renaissance.

There is no ancient evidence that the Ancient Greeks defined the word as meaning "scorched face".

what is the original meaning of aithiops ?
the meaning is obscured
what do you mean "obscured" ?

Do you mean "unknown" ?

yes

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