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What is the difference between Deshret forum and Egyptology forum?
why does something get moved to Deshret and why does something get moved to Egyptology?

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Egyptology
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Mainstream Egyptology. Egypt in its African context, population genetics and other areas of Africana studies.
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History, Race, Sociocultural discussion, alternative theories

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im confused
1. mainstream Egyptology don't consider Egypt African oriented so why would it be apart of Africana studies.
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2. isn't population genetics about race?

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1. Some Egyptologist have viewed Egypt in its African context. I have a book by one of them.


2. Population genetics is NOT about race. Many in the field stray away from it.

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1. are they mainstream Egyptologist?

2. Then why would someone be interested in genetics if they are not interested about race

Because geneticists who deal with Egypt are always trying to find out the race of the Egyptians or which people they are closely related to

capra has just recently posted about north Africans having European and Levant DNA

this is obviously racial

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quote:
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capra has just recently posted about north Africans having European and Levant DNA

this is obviously racial

Many people in the forum don't believe race exists, so in looking at that thread title an initial post one could view it as about geographic affiliation rather than race. It doesn't mention "race" nor "black" or "white" etc
The average African American has around 20% European ancestry.
So stating that doesn't change their "race"

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by the questioner:

capra has just recently posted about north Africans having European and Levant DNA

this is obviously racial

Many people in the forum don't believe race exists, so in looking at that thread title an initial post one could view it as about geographic affiliation rather than race. It doesn't mention "race" nor "black" or "white" etc
The average African American has around 20% European ancestry.
So stating that doesn't change their "race"

im not fooled

Geographic locations do not have DNA

where does the word Caucasian come from?

in another thread "were the original fuegians black?" http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=012549

you said "Looking at the photo here the people look more Asian than African , DNA solves the problem" - the lioness

Not only did you use geography to determine race but you also used DNA

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Basically

Egyptiology forum is Academic racism

Deshret forum is Social racism

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quote:
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Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by the questioner:

capra has just recently posted about north Africans having European and Levant DNA

this is obviously racial

Many people in the forum don't believe race exists, so in looking at that thread title an initial post one could view it as about geographic affiliation rather than race. It doesn't mention "race" nor "black" or "white" etc
The average African American has around 20% European ancestry.
So stating that doesn't change their "race"

im not fooled

Geographic locations do not have DNA

where does the word Caucasian come from?

in another thread "were the original fuegians black?" http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=012549

you said "Looking at the photo here the people look more Asian than African , DNA solves the problem" - the lioness

Not only did you use geography to determine race but you also used DNA

That is your interpretation that talking about Asian or African phenotypes = race

Many other people in the forum don't see it that way

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by the questioner:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by the questioner:

capra has just recently posted about north Africans having European and Levant DNA

this is obviously racial

Many people in the forum don't believe race exists, so in looking at that thread title an initial post one could view it as about geographic affiliation rather than race. It doesn't mention "race" nor "black" or "white" etc
The average African American has around 20% European ancestry.
So stating that doesn't change their "race"

im not fooled

Geographic locations do not have DNA

where does the word Caucasian come from?

in another thread "were the original fuegians black?" http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=012549

you said "Looking at the photo here the people look more Asian than African , DNA solves the problem" - the lioness

Not only did you use geography to determine race but you also used DNA

That is your interpretation that talking about Asian or African phenotypes = race

Many other people in the forum don't see it that way

obviously you also see it that way too or else you would not have used geographical locations and DNA as proof of the fuegian's race


phenotype and race are synonyms

Definition of race :a group of people of common ancestry, distinguished from others by physical characteristics, such as hair type, colour of eyes and skin, stature, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.

Definition of phenotype: The expression of a particular trait, for example, skin color, height, etc., according to the individual's genetic makeup and environment.

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phenotype and race are synonyms



No they aren't. There are various phenotypes within the human race
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phenotype and race are synonyms



No they aren't. There are various phenotypes within the human race
yes they are

phenotype is used to define race

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quote:
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phenotype and race are synonyms



No they aren't. There are various phenotypes within the human race
yes they are

phenotype is used to define race

You need to study non-sequiters and logical fallacies

Because people use phenotype to define race it doesn't mean phenotype and race are synonyms
and people who use phenotype to define race often use other factors as well

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quote:
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Originally posted by the questioner:
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Originally posted by the lioness,:
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Originally posted by the questioner:


phenotype and race are synonyms



No they aren't. There are various phenotypes within the human race
yes they are

phenotype is used to define race

Because people use phenotype to define race iy doesn't mean phenotype and race are synonyms
and people who use phenotype to define race often use other factors as well

other factors like what?

please explain why did you use geographical locations and DNA in a racial discussion thread?

Explain to me how someone can look African or Asian?

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please explain why did you use geographical locations and DNA in a racial discussion thread?


because different peoples live in different locations and sometimes I have to talk in terms the layperson understands

The Egyptology forum is reserved for people who don't believe in race.
The racial stuff is sent to my forum where I de-racialize it

It's like those people they send in to clean up the crime scene

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please explain why did you use geographical locations and DNA in a racial discussion thread?


because different peoples live in different locations and sometimes I have to talk in terms the layperson understands

The Egyptology forum is reserved for people who don't believe in race.
The racial stuff is sent to my forum where I de-racialize it

It's like those people they send in to clean up the crime scene

So Deshret is basically the "trash can" forum

"because different peoples live in different locations and sometimes I have to talk in terms the layperson understands" - the lioness

Different peoples? what makes them different since you don't believe in race

These days, race has become a "bad word" that people would like to shy away from for so called moral reasons.

Race is a physical description of groups of people. so yes, you do believe in race

rather you admit it or not

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please explain why did you use geographical locations and DNA in a racial discussion thread?


because different peoples live in different locations and sometimes I have to talk in terms the layperson understands

The Egyptology forum is reserved for people who don't believe in race.
The racial stuff is sent to my forum where I de-racialize it

It's like those people they send in to clean up the crime scene

So Deshret is basically the "trash can" forum

"because different peoples live in different locations and sometimes I have to talk in terms the layperson understands" - the lioness

Different peoples? what makes them different since you don't believe in race

These days, race has become a "bad word" that people would like to shy away from for so called moral reasons.

Race is a physical description of groups of people. so yes, you do believe in race

rather you admit it or not

Phenotypic differences are not big enough to delineate race.
If I were to ask you how many races there are it is an instant unsolvable problem as we then go ethnic group by ethnic group, a vast number of them and try to fit them into a given racial category

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23684745


Stud Hist Philos Biol Biomed Sci. 2013 Sep;44(3):262-71. doi: 10.1016/j.shpsc.2013.04.010. Epub 2013 May 16.

Biological races in humans.

Templeton AR1.
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Abstract
Races may exist in humans in a cultural sense, but biological concepts of race are needed to access their reality in a non-species-specific manner and to see if cultural categories correspond to biological categories within humans. Modern biological concepts of race can be implemented objectively with molecular genetic data through hypothesis-testing. Genetic data sets are used to see if biological races exist in humans and in our closest evolutionary relative, the chimpanzee. Using the two most commonly used biological concepts of race, chimpanzees are indeed subdivided into races but humans are not. Adaptive traits, such as skin color, have frequently been used to define races in humans, but such adaptive traits reflect the underlying environmental factor to which they are adaptive and not overall genetic differentiation, and different adaptive traits define discordant groups. There are no objective criteria for choosing one adaptive trait over another to define race. As a consequence, adaptive traits do not define races in humans. Much of the recent scientific literature on human evolution portrays human populations as separate branches on an evolutionary tree. A tree-like structure among humans has been falsified whenever tested, so this practice is scientifically indefensible. It is also socially irresponsible as these pictorial representations of human evolution have more impact on the general public than nuanced phrases in the text of a scientific paper. Humans have much genetic diversity, but the vast majority of this diversity reflects individual uniqueness and not race.

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The Egyptology forum is reserved for people who don't believe in race.
The racial stuff is sent to my forum where I de-racialize it


They do believe in race they just understand that its an arbitrary creation. It's simple.
Race is 100% opinion. Opinions are real. Therefore race is real.

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Opinions are real.

You might as well say everything is real. people have delusions and fantasies about blue dragons

They're fantasies and delusions, people have them. So they're real

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I made my decision to move that thread to the Deshret and its final.
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