quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: For non-polemic non-irritating neutral attitude fact gathering, analyses and discussion.
An entire ethnic group who have an inner African type morphology and speak a language native to Central America and claim indigenous status.
Can ES, without troller aggravations, take a look at Garifuna language, material and creative culture, religion/spirituality, physical and genetic anthropology, etc.?
This topic is separate from alleged Nile Valley or pre-Mansa Bubakar West African exploration/settlement in the Americas (anything prior to the 1500s), or proposals of Africans originating ancient American cultures and civilizations which should not intrude into this thread or be used to willy-nilly dismiss the topic.
I'm looking at this OP and it seems like a bait and trap thread
First it starts off scolding "For non-polemic non-irritating neutral attitude fact gathering, analyses and discussion."
then
"An entire ethnic group who have an inner African type morphology and speak a language native to Central America and claim indigenous status."
They claim indigenous status because they are part Indigenous, part African, a mix But in the OP there is no indication this might be a possibility
And the thread has no sources talking about this claim to indigenous status.
Claiming indigenous status can give you land rights
But no basic history is given. So people who are reading this OP are getting the idea that it's one or the other, they are either African or they are indigenous and they are saying they are indigenous so therefore Garfina are saying they are not African. A mix is not on the table
where are the sources? Are any Garafina claiming to be not Africans at all? Who are they, what is the source?
More scolding (an nobody has even replied yet this is the OP>
"Can ES, without troller aggravations...."
In other words here is a chip on my shoulder don't knock it off
So we are not presented with any quotes of Garifuna people or video. The gist if the thread is that this must be an either/or situation, either they are Africans or they are indigenous Caribs
but then, more rules on how to reply:
"This topic is separate from alleged Nile Valley or pre-Mansa Bubakar West African exploration/settlement in the Americas (anything prior to the 1500s), or proposals of Africans originating ancient American cultures and civilizations which should not intrude into this thread or be used to willy-nilly dismiss the topic."
This is why I call this a baiting thread. First the gist of thread is are the Garifuna African or indigenous. That means if someone were to post that they might be African then what would arise is why are these Africans in the Carib?
But we are not allowed consider West African exploration/settlement in the Americas
So if someone thinks they are African not indigenous they are not allowed to theorize about West African exploration/settlement in the Americas
So what is another explanation if that is excluded? Obviously slaves But of course nobody wants to bring that up and it's not in the OP.
So here we have you, who knows a lot about the Gariifuna not laying out, like science articles do,
various hypothesis A, B, C or other
Instead there is very little introduction and it's like a trap or some kind of herding to what you think is the correct point of view
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Tukuler
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Not talking to you plus you are not moderator of Egyptology. Fact is I wish no further communication with you EVER again. Butt out. Go play in your private Mother-May-I sandbox forum where at a whim anything you want to silence gets axed.
Rey Askia and 'Stro moderate this forum.
First off I know next to nothing about Garifuna. Here I thought they were Guatamalans but sincere contributers informed me they migrated there from St. Vincent somewhere. Let me here formally thank King and Jari for the vids laying that out. You helped me learn. Here, an other wishes to peck me apart by doing exactly what I wanted to circumvent, a
quote:polemic, irritating, toxic attitude
to poison the thread at birth,
Who other than strife instigators cannot discern my ignorance of GARIFUNA and request to ESers to fill me in before I level any proposition of my own one way or another.
My goal for my thread is stated honestly and succinctly as
quote:* fact gathering, * analyses (plural) * and discussion.
Me posting anything like that myself in the OP that sets up the parms of what's asked for, expected, and acceptable, would override my purpose to learn that which I do not know and ask to be taught about.
My only givens are * inner African morphology * indigine Caribe language and culture which do smack of absorption and/or borrowing in and of themselves. These are operative concepts in an ethnography employing physical and cultural anthropology in its methodology.
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Not talking to you plus you are not moderator of Egyptology. Fact is I wish no further communication with you EVER again. Butt out. Go play in your private Mother-May-I sandbox forum where at a whim anything you want to silence gets axed.
I have told him (lioness) this too as well, but he has not respected my wishes.
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