she reads the text from her African Ancestry DNA results:
quote: It is with great pleasure that I report our MatriClan analysis determined your maternal lineage to be of European ancestry the mitochondrial DNA sequence that we determine from your sample belongs to a non-African lineage in the haplogroup H Our analysis encompasses hypervariable regions 1 2 and 3. You have inherited these segments of DNA from your mother and they have been passed down passed on consistently from mother to daughter over the past 500 to 2000 years so they are unique to your maternal lineage. We analyze the variance within these regions to determine the parts of your DNA that you share with people within specific ethnic groups. the HVR variants listed below indicate DNA sequence patterns that you share with European populations the combinations of HVR variance determine your membership. The sequence and (?) score represents our 100 confidence level in your result, haplogroup H sequence similarity score 100% This information may be difficult to absorb especially if you were not aware of any European ancestry on your mother's maternal line. It is important to note that even though we did not find African ancestry for your maternal lineage it does not mean that you are not African-American it does not mean that your mother is not African-American and it does not mean that you have no African ancestry anywhere in your family tree. Please feel free to contact one of the specialists in our office to discuss other lineages that you can test to find your African roots
In the first video she takes their maternal test from African Ancestry DNA she receives a document saying she is of haplogroup H and her maternal side is European note the logo on the document is
In the second video she takes a test from Ancestry DNA according to this test (19:12) I assume this well known company:
it says she has 6 percent European DNA
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African Ancestry is only Haplogroup either mother or father
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quote:Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa: African Ancestry is only Haplogroup either mother or father
Yes, according to them she has a European ancestor on her mother's side> and she has her haplogroup but she has more African ancestry in the more recent generations of her family showing up in the autosomal results
So as per someone's identity and these tests, each result gives a different impression as we see in each video, although may not contradict each other. On the other hand there are two different companies
A more compete analysis of her paternal ancestry would include testing of one of her main male relatives: father brother paternal grandfather paternal uncle Your paternal cousin
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If you have African ancestry you get a detailed breakdown. But if it's not African as with this woman, there is no breakdown, you are just indicated "European population" with an apologetic sort of statement
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I think 23andMe gives men both Y DNA or mtDNA and autosomal results for $99
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The interesting thing is how her self perception changes on looking at each test result
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While haplogroup H is the most common mtDNA in Europe, the people with the highest frequencies of it are Libyan Tuaregs 61% (Ottoni et al. 2010) and in other berbers of the Maghreb although it is not thought to have originated in Africa due to lower diversity. In North Africa second to the Libyan Tuaregs are Tuareg of the West Sahel, H at 23% a big drop.
but I suspect the commercial DNA companies have limited samples from these populations The higher frequencies in Europe are more in the south, particularly around Spain around 20%
This however may not pertain to her and her autosomal DNA indicates various European counties and her family genealogy reported a light skinned ancestor as she talks about in the video as well, she says her mother is lighter skin
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That's interesting, she reads from her MatriClan test from African Ancestry DNA results:
"the variants below are unique to your maternal lineage and indicate the innate sequence pattern effect you share with some TUAREG the combination of HVR variant determines your membership in haplogroup L2 alpha 1 your statistical confidence measure or sequence similarity score is 100%, Everyone in your title in your entire maternal lineage from the past and into the future is Tuareg so we encourage you to share this information with everyone on your mother's side of family including your siblings children grandchildren nieces nephews your mother right our sisters and brothers knew your grandmother okay okay so. We have determined that you share maternal genetic ancestry with quadrant people in Mali today.
wikipedia:
Regions with significant populations
Niger 2,596,634 (11% of its total population)[1]
Mali 704,814 (3.5% of its total population)[2]
Burkina Faso 406,271 (1.9% of its total population)[3]
Algeria 150,000 (0.36% of its total population)
Libya 100,000 (nomadic, 1.5% of its total population)[4]
Nigeria 30,000 (0.015% of its total population)[5]
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The Tuareg are semi-nomadic and they have different admixture in different places.
She is talking about Mali Tuareg and haplogroup L2 the most common haplogroup in Africa. I think that is the main group for the Niger Tuareg also. (although they may have found some particular subclade of L2 but I have never seen an article talking about that)
There have been very few studies on Tuareg mtDNA The Ottoni et al. (2010) but was just in regard to Libyan Tuaregs and 61% H1 which is probably not predominant in other Tuareg populations (although maybe in Algeria), but I am guessing
Her testing company claims to pin down some specific markers it seems they give them 100% confidence she's maternally Tuareg
I would be surprised if they could identify Tuaregs specifically other markers in The Libyan Tuaregs who carry H1 but I don't know
The higher frequency of H in the Libyans is probably due to isolation Kefi reported H in some of the 15k Iberomausrian samples in Algeria, may have been some in Morocco also I forget H is more diverse in Iberia though
We have a similar situation here. She also said that she did an Ancestry DNA tests and it said her highest percentage was Benin.
Here, unlike Nia Hope she identifies more with the African Ancestry DNA results which says she is Tuareg.
3 years earlier, her first test from Ancestry DNA the list on 2% for Mali and nothing particular to Tuareg>
See what's going on here The women are basing what they identify as based on the results they like better it seems
They both took an Ancestry DNA test (autosomal) and they both took a MatriClan test from African Ancestry DNA (mtDNA)
The first woman did not like the African Ancestry DNA test which said she was European maternally She preferred the Ancestry DNA test which said she is only 6% European and then had a breakdown of the rest of her DNA, various African countries
The other woman preferred the other test. She preferred the African Ancestry DNA test which said she was Mali Tuareg I think she felt that was more unique than the autosomal mixed bag breakdown of several counties
But if someone asks you what is your ancestry and you base it on these tests we can see how they might answer very differently based on which results they preferred
In addition in these video neither one of them determined their paternal DNA which can only be determined by testing a male relative of theirs. and, male DNA is slightly more influential on a person's genetics about 60% compared to 40% for mtDNA (according to an article I recently read). The chromosomes are the same 23 number but there is genetic switching which mean the gene is there but it's not always "turned on"
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^^^I can see how that is an issue and how it seems silly to pick and choose which test you like as a way for you to choose your identity. Personally I took my Ancestry test with a grain of salt and dug further with other tests plus GED Match. For me personally Ancestry kept changing my matches with updates, while MyAncestry has remained consistant plus it lets me see where Im matching people on my DNA segments/Chromes.
That said I think folks should use other evidence together with the DNA test and not just rely on DNA tests alone, like Family trees, records, last names etc. For me Im Afro-French Creole on my paternal side with a Native American Haplogroup, through investigating with my Brother, we pinpointed the exact people and location/area we descend from in Louisiana and beyond at least on the European side of our family(The African side pretty much ends/begins in Louisiana as its almost impossible to trace it beyond that unfortunately)..
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African Ancestry is selling their product in a way that is different from the other companies. They give you a certificate that says what particular tribe or tribes you are from. I wonder how accurate that is. A third party would have to test it. Get samples from several people in Africa and from a few different tribes, people who live more isolated from cities. Then send the samples to African Ancestry DNA and see if they get the tribes right on a blind analysis
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Yeah that seems a bit suspicious as even if you match a tribe its not really your tribe as they are not the only people you descend from.
Like I said they should use other sources besides the test, a good place to start is examining the culture of Virgina or New England black communities(Which ever she descends from) and looking at the people/communties there, she might not be able to pinpoint Africa but she might find some interesting results for example the Gullah-Geeche people of South Carolina..among many others.
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She takes three different brand tests (2 the same as the others in the thread) On her African Ancestry DNA test they reports two specific tribes on her certificate Her father also does a test and has his own tribe, which is pertinent to her male side ancestry
Three tests, $500 total she gave a stets to her father, that's another $300 (PatriClan)
If she went only to African Ancestry DNA with only tribes she would haver no information on any non-African DNA she has. Some people wouldn't care, others would
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on Ancestry DNA when they update their data they will inform you and some of these updates will update your former result Initially she was said to be 44% Nigerian and 3% Cameroon/Congo
after the update they says she is only 6% Nigerian yet 44% Cameroon/Congo
It is a big difference though
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