This post is not to claim that Blacks are "superior".
Blacks have been in the U. S. for over 400 years. The Caucasians have taught many people, of the world, Blacks were little better than mere animals. many Arabs and Muslims were taught this
Unfortunately, many believed this to be true. I view it as my responsibility to spread the truth, not "supremacy".
ON BLACK SUPREMACY Allah has revealed that the black is the original Man, and that's what I teach. Now, where this supremacy teaching comes in that is charged by the disbelievers -- that I teach it in order to suit their particular purpose of charging us with being an aggressive movement, or intending to become such, because of the teachings of one being superior over the other.
24 We say that the black man is the first man in the sun, and then they take this and just change it around -- that he is teaching supremacy. And that we are not doing. We already know that we are inferior to you here in America. 25 We cannot say physically or even mentally that we are equal, nor say you're superior, when it comes to actual physical or educational ability.
Mr. Elijah Muhammad
Salaam alaikum
Just a question for Bean, why do you seem to be so focused on race? If I'm wrong please forgive me, but that is not what Islam is about, it is a universal message.
wa salaam
TRUTH IS TRUTH
4.4 million-year-old human ancestor is found 1994 Tim White, Berhane Asfaw, and Gen Suwa, who have long worked together unearthing and analyzing fossils in Africa, made a new and remarkable discovery in 1993. In Ethiopia, they found hominid skull, jaw, and arm bones plus a few teeth that dated back to 4.4 million years ago. That would make these the oldest hominid ancestors yet identified, and the most primitive hominid species known.
Announcing these fossils in 1994, the group named them Australopithecus ramidus, putting them in the same genus as the 1.75-million-year-old Australopithecus boisei and the 3-million-year-old "Lucy." But eight months later, the researchers changed the name to Ardipithecus ramidus, moving the species represented by the fossils into a different genus. They did not fully explain the change, but were continuing to analyze the fossils and planned publication of their findings within a few years. According to naming convention, discoverers have the right to name the species, but acceptance of the genus they suggest depends upon the agreement of other workers in the field.
The species looked to be a link between ancient African apes and Australopithecus.It shared physical features of both groups. Paleontologists Meave Leakey and Alan Walker write that "Ardipithecus, with its numerous chimplike features, appears to have taken the human fossil record back close to the time of the chimp-human split."
Discussion continues over whether Ardipithecus is a hominid or not, whether it walked on two feet or not, and what its relationship is to the 3.94.2 million year old fossils found in 1995 by Meave Leakey and Alan Walker in Kenya Australepithecus anamensis. These latter show clear signs of walking upright and of living in a wooded area, throwing into doubt the usual explanation of bipedalism as an adaptation to living in the savannah. These recent discoveries provide important evidence in the search for human origins, but points out Walker, "As with so many scientific discoveries, this one also provokes more fascinating questions."
ONE DOES NOT NEED TO FOLLOW THE CULTURE OF THE ARABS TO BE A "MUSLIM". "ISLAM" DID NOT BEGIN 1,400 YEARS AGO!!! 019.058 YUSUFALI: Those were some of the prophets on whom Allah did bestow His Grace,- of the posterity of Adam, and of those who We carried (in the Ark) with Noah, and of the posterity of Abraham and Israel of those whom We guided and chose. Whenever the Signs of THE Most Gracious were rehearsed to them, they would fall down in prostrate adoration and in tears. Anacalypsis: An Attempt To Draw Aside The Veil Of The Saitic Isis; Or An Inquiry Into The Origin Of Languages, Nations And Religion
Author: Higgins, Godfrey
1836 Volume one of a two volume set. This description is for all volumes. Godfrey Higgins was convinced that a high civilization had flourished prior to all historical records. He believed that there had existed then a most ancient and universal religion from which all later creeds and doctrines sprang. His research lasted over 20 years. He attempted to establish the existence of a prehistoric universal religion and to trace its development into contemporary times. He believed this religion possessed accurate knowledge of universal and cosmic phenomena and held neither priesthood nor institution as intermediary in man's communion with the Divine. This highly sought after book is extremely rare. Two volumes. Subject: Excerpt from "ANACALYPSIS"
Excerpt from "ANACALYPSIS, AN ATTEMPT TO DRAW ASIDE THE VEIL OF THE SAITIC ISIS, OR AN INQUIRY INTO THE ORIGIN OF LANGUAGES, AND NATIONS" BOOK I - CHAPTER IV TWO ANCIENT ETHIOPIAS—GREAT BLACK NATION IN ASIA—THE BUDDHA OF INDIA A NEGRO—THE ARABIANS WERE CUSH1TES—SHEPHERD KINGS—HINDOOS AND EGYPTIANS SIMILAR—SYRIA PEOPLED FROM INDIA
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… but I shall, in the course of this work, produce a number of extraordinary facts, which will be quite sufficient to prove, that a black race, in very early times, had more influence over the affairs of the world than has been lately suspected; and I think I shall shew, by some striking circumstances yet existing, that the effects of this influence have not entirely passed away.
It was the opinion of Sir William Jones, that a great nation of Blacks* formely possessed the dominion of Asia, and held the seat of empire at Sidon. These must have been the people called by Mr. Maurice Cu****es or Cuthites, described in Genesis; and the opinion that they were Blacks is corroborated by the translators of the Pentateuch, called the Seventy, constantly rendering the word Cush by Ethiopia. …
Of this nation we have no account; but it must have flourished after the deluge. … If I succeed in collecting a sufficient number to carry conviction to an impartial mind, the empire must be allowed to have existed.
The religion of Buddha, of India, is well known to have been very ancient. In the most ancient temples scattered throughout Asia, where his worship is yet continued, he is found black as jet, with the flat face, thick lips, and curly hair of the Negro. Several statues of him may be met with the East-India Company. There are two exemplars of him brooding on the face of the deep, upon a coiled serpent. To what time are we to allot this Negro ? He will be proved to have been prior to Cristna. He must have been prior to or contemporaneous with the black empire, supposed by Sir William Jones to have flourished at Sidon. The religion of this Negro God is found, by the ruins of his temples and other circumstances, to have been spread over an immense extent of country, even to the remotest parts of Britain, and to have been professed by devotees inconceivably numerous. …
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The circumstance of the translators of the Septuagint version of the Pentateuch having rendered the word Cush by the word Ethiopia, is a very decisive proof that the theory of two Ethiopias is well founded. Let the translators have been who they may, it is totally impossible to believe that they could be so ignorant as to suppose that the African Ethiopia could border on the Euphrates, or that the Cu****es could be African Ethiopia.
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Eusebius* states the Ethiopians to have come and settled in Egypt, in the time of Amenophis. According to this account, as well as to the account given by Philostratus,** there was no such country as Ethiopia beyond Egypt until this invasion. According to Eusebius these people came from the river Indus, and planted themselves to the south of Egypt, in the country called from them Ethiopia. The circumstances named by Eusebius that they came from the Indus, at all events, implies that they came from the East, and not from the South, and would induce a person to suspect them as having crossed the Red Sea from Arabia; …
* In Chron. ad Num. 402.
** In vita Apollon. Tyanei.
Herodotus says, that there were two Ethiopian nations, one in India, the other in Egypt. He derived his information from the Egyptoian priests, a race of people who must have known the truth; …
Philostratus* says, that the Gymnosophists of Ethiopia, who settle near the sources of the Nile, descended from the Bramins of India, having been driven thence for the murder of their king.** This, Philostratus says, he learnt from an ancient Brahmin, called Jarchas.
* Vita Apoll. C. vi.
** Crawford, Res. Vol. II p.193.
Another ancient writer, Eustathius, also states, that the Ethiopians came from India. These concurring accounts can scarcely be doubted; and here may be discovered the mode and time also when great numbers of ancient rites and ceremonies might be imported from India into Egypt; …
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Mr. Wilsford, in his treatise on Egypt and the Nile, in the Asiatic Researches, informs us, that many very ancient statues of the God Buddha in India have crisp, curly hair, with flat noses and thick lips; and adds, "nor can it be reasonably doubted, that a race of Negroes formerly had power and pre-eminence in India."This is confirmed by Mr. Maurice, who says, "The figures in the Hindoo caverns are of a very different character from the present race of Hindoos : their countenances are broad and full, the nose flat, and the lips, particularly the under lip, remarkably thick." …Justin states, that the Phœnecians being obliged to leave their native country in the East, they settled first near the Assyrian Lake, which is the Persian Gulf; and Maurice says, "We find an extensive district, named Palestine, to the east of the Euphrates and Tigris. The word Palestine seems derived from Pallisthan, the seat of the Pallis or Shepherds." Palli, in India, means Shepherd.
… It is a well-known fact that our Hindoo soldiers when they arrived in Egypt, in the late war, recognized the Gods of their country in the ancient temples, particularly their God Cristna.
The striking similarity, indeed identity, of the style of architecture and the ornaments of the ancient Egyptian and Hindoo temples, Mr. Maurice has proven beyond all doubt. …
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… In my Essay on The Celtic Druids, I have shewn, that a great nation called Celtæ, of whom the Druids were the priests, spread themselves almost over the whole earth, and are to be traced in their rude gigantic monuments from India to the extremities of Britain. Who these can have been but the early individuals of the black nation of whom we have been treating I know not, and in this opinion I am not singular. The learned Maurice says, "Cuthites, i. e. Celts, built the great temples in India and Britain, and excavated the caves of the former."* And the learned Mathematician, Reuben Burrow, has no hesitation in pronouncing Stonehenge to be a temple of the black, curly-headed Buddha. * Maurice, Hist. Hind. Vol.II p.249. http://www.blackwebportal.com/forums/viewm...m=12&Topic=2898
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Griffith Taylor linked together Melanesians, Negroes, and American Indians. The same authority proposed a relationship between Java Man and Rhodesian Man. He related certain Swiss tribes which seem to be a pocket of an older racial stock with the people of northern China, the Sudanese, the Bushmen of South Africa, and the Aeta of the Philippines. He would also link the Predmost Skull to Aurignacian folk and to the Australoids. Macgowan and Montagu were convinced that the aboriginal populations of central and southern America contain an element of Negroid as well as Australoid people. Grimaldi Man is almost universally admitted to have been Negroid even though his remains lie in Europe. But indeed, so widespread is the Negroid type that even Pithecanthropus erectus was identified as Negroid by Buyssens. http://www.custance.org/old/earlyman/ch4v.html
"An example of an important omission of this kind may be found on the fifteenth, sixteenth, and seventeenth pages of this volume, which may be appropriately referred to, in this connection. It is there stated, in describing the ancient kingdom of Ethiopia, and the ruins of Thebes, her opulent metropolis, that "There a people, now forgotten, discovered, while others were yet barbarians, the elements of the arts and sciences. A race of men, now rejected from society for their sable skin and frizzled hair, founded on the study of the laws of nature, those civil and religious systems which still govern the universe." A voluminous note, in which standard authorities are cited, seems to prove that this statement is substantially correct, and that we are in reality indebted to the ancient Ethiopians, to the fervid imagination of the persecuted and despised negro, for the various religious systems now so highly revered by the different branches of both the Semitic and Aryan races. This fact, which is so frequently referred to in Mr. Volney's writings, may perhaps solve the question as to the origin of all religions, and may even suggest a solution to the secret so long concealed beneath the flat nose, thick lips, and negro features of the Egyptian Sphinx. It may also confirm the statement of Dioderus, that "the Ethiopians conceive themselves as the inventors of divine worship, of festivals, of solemn assemblies, of sacrifices, and of every other religious practice." That an imaginative and superstitious race of black men should have invented and founded, in the dim obscurity of past ages, a system of religious belief that still enthralls the minds and clouds the intellects of the leading representatives of modern theology,--that still clings to the thoughts, and tinges with its potential influence the literature and faith of the civilized and cultured nations of Europe and America, is indeed a strange illustration of the mad caprice of destiny, of the insignificant and apparently trivial causes that oft produce the most grave and momentous results.The translation here given closely follows that published in Paris by Levrault, Quai Malaquais, in 1802, which was under the direction and careful supervision of the talented author; and whatever notes Count Volney then thought necessary to insert in his work, are here carefully reproduced without abridgment or modification...."
solomon = wise abdul = servant of Rahman = The Benificent or The Doer of Good so, the wise servant of, The Doer of Good
If you take one step towards Him, He runs 2 you!
<_< [/B] In his book, The Destruction of Black Civilization, black scholar, Chancellor Williams informs us that history has proven that a number of tactics were employed by anthropologists to blot out black accomplishments. Here is a list of Williams' observations about how anthropologists chose to operate:
1. "Ignore or refuse to publish any facts of African history" that would not support their racial theories.
2. "Create a religious and 'scientific' doctrine" to ease the white conscience for oppressing and enslaving African people.
3. "Flood the world with hastily thrown together African 'histories'" that contain European perspectives only.
4. "Start renaming people and places. Replace African names of persons, places, and things with Arabic and European names." This will disguise their true black identity.
5. Change the criteria for defining race. For example, one drop of Negro blood in America makes you a Negro, no matter how light your skin. When reporting ancient history, reverse the standard. Make one drop of white blood render someone a Caucasian no matter how dark the skin. Test this criteria during the "riding-at-the-back-of the-bus" era of the South during the 1940s in the USA. Be assured that any of the Pharaoh's of Egypt, especially up to and including the 25th Dynasty, would have been required to sit at the back of the bus.
6. When black participation in civilization is so obvious your best schemes can't hide it, find a way to attribute the success to outside white influence.
7. When all the ancient historians contradict your theory, seek to discredit them.
Return To Glory: The Powerful Stirring of the Black Man
In many sectors there seems to be some controversy about the racial make-up of the Egyptian people, i.e. whether they were White or Black. This is a simplistic approach to a much more complicated set of circumstances since Egypt's strategic location brought people in from the south with Nubian and equatorial African influence and from the northern coast of Africa and the Middle East with Afro-Mediterranean and Semitic influences. The Biblical record places Egypt among the "Black" countries. Melanin dosage tests of mummified remains controversial due to damage caused by the embalming process seem to indicate a level of melanocytes consistent with a people of a semi tropical to temperate climate zone.
Egypt continues to dominate the focus of our African oriented studies. These studies have clearly demonstrated that not only were early Egypt's origins African, but that through the whole of Egypt's Dynastic Era the age of the PharaohS, and during all of her many periods of national splendor, men and women with black skin complexions, broad noses, full lips, and tightly curled hair, were dominant in both the general population and governing elite.
In the intense and unrelenting struggle to establish scientifically the African foundations of Egyptian civilization, the late Senegalese scholar Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop remains a most fierce and ardent champion. Dr. Diop 1923-1986 was without a doubt one of the world's leading Egyptologist and held the position of Director of the Radiocarbon Laboratory at the Fundamental Institute of Black Africa in Dakar, Senegal. In stating the importance of the work, Diop noted emphatically and early on that, "The history of Black Africa will remain suspended in air and cannot be written correctly until African historians dare to connect it with the history of Egypt."
The solid range of methodologies employed by Dr. Diop in the course of his extensive Afro-Egyptian labors included: examinations of the epidermis of the mummies of Egyptian kings for verification of their melanin content; precise osteological measurements and meticulous studies in the various relevant areas of anatomy and physical anthropology; careful examinations and comparisons of modern Upper Egyptian and West African blood-types; detailed Afro-Egyptian linguistic studies and the corroboration of distinct Afro-Egyptian cultural traits; documents of racial designations employed by the early Africans themselves; Biblical testimonies and references that address the ancient Egyptian's ethnicity, race and culture; and the writings of early Greek and Roman travelers and scholars describing the physical characteristics of the ancient Egyptians.
The original Egyptians were unmixed pure black folks. When they were at the pinnacle of their glory they were not a mixed group by any means. During the middle dynasties especially and later when people migrated to this great land there was some intermarrying. This is natural and doesn't need to be debated. It was even done within royalty lines at times to solidify alliances, which was a common practice between powers during that period of history. Chancellor Williams refers to this phenomenon in his book "The Destruction of Black Civilization." And frankly, he theorizes that this mixing was part of the reason for the fall of Black Civilization. Nevertheless, there was never so much of this that at any time the ancient Egyptians could ever be classified as other than a black people.
It's reasonable to say that Egypt was a gateway for the meeting and interchange of goods, ideas, and people; and that the Egyptians were themselves a unique _expression of human strength, beauty, intelligence and diversification. Ancient Egypt was an African civilization. It is also interesting to note that the Biblical record states "Israel also came into Egypt...the land of Ham." Psalm 105: 23.
Plus we need to be reminded that Egypt is in Africa not the Middle East and that all of the Pharaohs up to and including the 25th Dynasty would have been required to "sit at the back of a bus" in the 1940s in Montgomery Alabama. Let's allow the pictures to speak for themselves...Ready?
quote:Originally posted by Ayisha: Nation of Islam???
sorry not islamic
please, be so kind as to, provide proof.
Because they believe Wallace Fard Muhammad, the FOUNDER of the Nation of Islam, to be God on earth, God incarnate - and that is against the principles of Islam. NOI also believes white people were created by a scientist named Yakub, grafting them from black people. That whites are the *race of devils.* And *that* is against Islam's teachings as well. The holy Qur'an says: "O Mankind, we created you from a single pair of a male and a female, and made you in to tribes and nations so that you may know each other (not that you despise each other). Verily, the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is he who is most righteous of you." (Chapter 49, Verse 13)
IMO, the Nation of Islam is more of a social movement to empower African Americans, which is great. But it's not *true* Islam.
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"O Mankind, we created you from a single pair of a male and a female, and made you in to tribes and nations so that you may know each other (not that you despise each other). Verily, the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is he who is most righteous of you." (Chapter 49, Verse 13)
In no way does the above imply Black were not on earth first.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SOME HAVE CALLED ELIJAH MUHAMMAD(PBUH) A RACIST. PARTLY FOR REFERRING TO THE WHITE RACE AS "DEVILS". BELOW IS WHAT HIS DEFINITION WAS. IN IN HIS OWN WORDS.
What Is The Meaning Of "a Devil"? I would like to know exactly what did Elijah Muhammad(pbuh) mean by the word "devil" ?
As-Salaam Alaikum: The Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught that ..."any life germ from original is Devil. Basically, any grafted thing can be considered a devil. You can have a devil cat out there, etc... But Satan - Satan means one who's wickedness is not confined to one's self, but spreads and it affects others."
I hope this is clear As-Salaam Alaikum ===== Discussion coutesy of SeventhFam
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was allowing what I was previously taught the meaning of a "devil" to be. I now believe Mr. Muhammad's(pbuh).
Because the Caucasians were "made" from us, they are a "watered down" version. This is inclusive of "morals", as well.
So, the ancient Egyptians were correct, in referring to the Caucasians as "the children of Typhon". ==============
please, provide evidence, these thoughts do nt agree w/Islam.
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quote:Originally posted by beanpiee: In no way does the above imply Black were not on earth first.
I didn't use that quote to give a timeline of the creation of the races. I used that quote to specify that there is no racism in Islam. We are all brothers and sisters. If NOI thinks whites are less human, or devils, or anything that is not equal to blacks, it is teaching something against Islam.
quote:Originally posted by beanpiee: Because the Caucasians were "made" from us, they are a "watered down" version. This is inclusive of "morals", as well.
True Islam teaches that all people are equal, all races, all sexes. The only thing that differentiates people is their faith.
Islam also believes that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was the last messenger with the last divine revelation from God. NOI teaches that Wallace Fard Mohammed was God incarnate, and teaches that Fard made Elijah Mohammed a prophet as well.
And then there is the whole thing about a UFO from outer space, Armageddon and blacks triumphing over whites. None of this is keeping with the tenets of traditional Islam.
NOI teaches that blacks are gods, while Islam teaches there is only one God, Allah (swt).
Here is a simplistic chart showing some differences:
the teachings of NOI are to teach black superiority, the teachings of Islam are to teach no one race is better than another!! (race is wrong as it implies a 'winner' in all this)
White people are not allowed in their 'mosques'
I dont care if the first man was black, white or pink with blue spots on! we are all the same in the eyes of God
as snoozin said, Malcolm X very quickly left NOI after he had done hajj as he met MUSLIMS and learned what ISLAM was about.
and he was killed for it.
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Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 11, Number 662 The Prophet said, "Listen and obey (your chief) even if an Ethiopian whose head is like a raisin were made your chief." __________________;)
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Morgan whats that got to do with this discussion and NOI ????
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many have claimed that Mr. X had a "revelation" concerning whites after the hajj.
I strongly recommend that you read 2 chapters, in his autobiography.
* " Malcolm El-Shabazz" and, the chapter before it.
1 all the whites he mentions favorably, were Muslims.
2. he states that IF the whites of America accepted Iam, they would not discriminate on the basis of color. (IN MY OPINION, THE MAJORITY OF WHITES, IN AMERICA AS WELL AS, THE WORLD, WILL NEVER ACCEPT ISLAM.
BTW some believe Mr. X hated whites and learned this from Mr. Muhammad.
IF YOU BELIEVE THIS WAS TAUGHT BY MR. MUHAMMAD(PBUH) IT SHOULD BE VERY EASY TO PRESENT EVIDENCE!
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You didn't answer my questions, Beanpiee. You skirted the issue by bringing up another argument. I'd like to hear what you have to say about my characterizations of NOI.
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quote: If NOI thinks whites are less human, or devils, or anything that is not equal to blacks, it is teaching something against Islam.
What Is The Meaning Of "a Devil"?
SOME HAVE CALLED ELIJAH MUHAMMAD(PBUH) A RACIST. PARTLY FOR REFERRING TO THE WHITE RACE AS "DEVILS". BELOW IS WHAT HIS DEFINITION WAS, IN HIS OWN WORDS. (DISCUSSION TOOK PLACE AT SEVENTHFAM)
What Is The Meaning Of "a Devil"? I would like to know exactly what did Elijah Muhammad(pbuh) mean by the word "devil" ?
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quote: As-Salaam Alaikum: The Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught that ..."any life germ from original is Devil. Basically, any grafted thing can be considered a devil. You can have a devil cat out there, etc... But Satan - Satan means one who's wickedness is not confined to one's self, but spreads and it affects others."
I hope this is clear As-Salaam Alaikum
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"But the One Mind, being both Life and Light, next brought forth Man, a Being like to Himself, with whom He fell in love, as being His own child; for it was beautiful beyond compare, the Image of its Sire. In very truth, God fell in love with His own Form; and on it did bestow all of His own creations." DIVINE PYMANDER OF HERMES(the Egyptian)
quote:that Fard made Elijah Mohammed a prophet as well.
This is incorrect. He claimed to be a messenger
quote:And then there is the whole thing about a UFO from outer space, Armageddon and blacks triumphing over whites. None of this is keeping with the tenets of traditional Islam.
what do you consider to be AGAINST the "tenents of traditional Islam"?
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