Muhammad worshipped Allah/Ellat a false God from one of the 360 deities of the Ka'ba
2nd Commandment: DO NOT MAKE IDOLS
Muhammad had the Muslims bow towards Ka'ba build and kiss the black stone in the middle of the Ka'ba.
3rd Commandment: DO NOT TAKE THE LORD'S NAME IN VAIN
Muhammad did not know the name of the one true God and perverted the true name of God by calling it Allah which is foreign name to YHVH.
4th Commandment: KEEP THE SABBATH DAY
Muhammad changed the Sabbath by calling Friday holy and failed to keep the Sabbath because the Jews refused to accept him so he changed his day from the Jewish Sabbath.
5th Commandment: HONOR YOUR PARENTS
Muhammad dishonoured his mother and father by the acts that he did, he robbed and pillaged innocent people which made many people cursed his parents.
6th Commandment: DO NOT MURDER
Muhammad had his opponents murdered one by one. Asma bint Marwan ,Jewish chief called Kinana in Khaibar of the tribe of Banu Nadir,Um Qirfa,Ka'b bin Alashraf....etc
7th Commandment: DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY
Muhammad slept with his slaves(coptic Mary),Rayhana,Omm Sharik,Maymuna,Zaynab,Khawla Juwayriya bint al-Harith,claiming he had a religious right by justifying his behaviour by the Qur'an which he also violated and married more than four.
8th Commandment: DO NOT STEAL
Muhammad robbed and pillaged, he stole from the Quraish tribe by conducting 29 of the 69 raids against the passing Quraish caravans in the desert stealing their money.
9th Commandment: DO NOT FALSELY ACCUSE
Muhammad bore false testimony against the Jewish tribes in Medina to drive them out of Arabia by saying they helped the Quraish tribe when in fact they did not.
All three tribes of the Jews were eliminated one by one.
Banu Qainuqa - Expelled
Banu Nader - Expelled
Banu Qurayza - All the men beheaded
10th Commandment: DO NOT COVET
Muhammad coveted his adopted son's wife,In Sura 33:37 Muhammad found justification to marry Zainab bint Jaash after she got divorced from his adopted son Zaid because this was supposively Allah's wish also,after this event Muhammad banned adoption .
Anybody who still thinks that Muhammed is a great prophet has got to be kidding.
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what you are saying is completley false ,your just trying to give islam a bad image ,prophet muhammad(pbuh) never commited adultery and he never did eny of those thigns you claim he did
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who is ellat,robbed innocent people hahahahah you got to be joking,the prohet mohamed (pbuh)never did he ever hert enyone he got pigs chucked at him while he was praying he never did react to them he was insulted bashed and yet he would visit one of his enemys with a present when they where sick,dont try spread false rumors mwhich are not 100% backed up with fact because enyone could make up enything and it spreads what you say is rubbish and maybe you should not be a hippocret by talking about someone doing somthing bad then saying this guy is bad
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allah is the arabic name for god and they both have the same meaning god had 99 names so i think you should think twice b4 you type and make sure of something and make msure it is fact
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quote: Muhammad worshipped Allah/Ellat a false God from one of the 360 deities of the Ka'ba
What are the 360 deities of ka'ba?
quote:Muhammad had the Muslims bow towards Ka'ba build and kiss the black stone in the middle of the Ka'ba.
Muslims Bow to God not Ka'ba. Towards What was The prophet Jesus bow ? Do you know? Do you have any bible?
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loveforever, is this really the best you can come up with? you are a disgrace to Christianity and everything here is total nonsense and you know it. Dont you READ anything to see how stupid and bias it is before you copy and paste it??
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I BELEIVE SHE IS REALLY AMUSLIM AND HYPING THE FORUM UP OR MAY BE SHE IS THE DEVILS FOLLOWER AND SHES BORED ANY WAY WHAT EVER SHES LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUVS US ....(MUSLIMS)SHE COMES BACK FOR MORE...
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quote:Originally posted by youssef: who is ellat,robbed innocent people hahahahah you got to be joking,the prohet mohamed (pbuh)never did he ever hert enyone he got pigs chucked at him while he was praying he never did react to them he was insulted bashed and yet he would visit one of his enemys with a present when they where sick,dont try spread false rumors mwhich are not 100% backed up with fact because enyone could make up enything and it spreads what you say is rubbish and maybe you should not be a hippocret by talking about someone doing somthing bad then saying this guy is bad
These are the stories that being told to you in your school at the religion lesson, but I am sure that they told you too that Mohammed started economic war against Quraish by raiding on their caravans isn't right, this is the justification of Muslims to the robbery of Mohammed baby, these aren't rumors, you can read here under Raids on Meccan caravans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_as_a_general And check here list of who killed by Mohammed's blessing The assassinations list
Regarding Allah,you know that if Muslim said in the name of God the other Muslim will tell him you have to say in the name of Allah isn't right? this prove that Allah name isn't a translation to God as you think.
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The entire 613 commandments in the Law of Moses were completely canceled at the cross. Christians are not obligated to observe the Sabbath in any way, and Christians are not required to obey any of the Ten Commandments. Instead, we are under a new law, the Law of Christ.
Notice that this does not mean that the entire Old Testament was canceled, it only means that the commandments in the Law of Moses were canceled.
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quote:Originally posted by Ayisha: loveforever, is this really the best you can come up with? you are a disgrace to Christianity and everything here is total nonsense and you know it. Dont you READ anything to see how stupid and bias it is before you copy and paste it??
say what is the wrong and correct it.
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It can also be noted that in the 17th chapter, "Al-Israa" ("The Night Journey"), verses 22-37, the Qur'an provides a set of moral stipulations which are "among the (precepts of) wisdom, which thy Lord has revealed to thee" that can be reasonably categorised as ten in number. It should be noted however, that these verses are not regarded by Islamic scholars as being somehow set apart from any other moral stipulations in the Qur'an, nor are they regarded as a substitute or replacement or abrogation of some other set of commandments as found in the Torah.
Worship only God: Take not with Allah another object of worship; or thou (O man!) wilt sit in disgrace and destitution. (17:22)
Be kind, honourable and humble to one's parents: Thy Lord hath decreed that ye worship none but Him, and that ye be kind to parents. Whether one or both of them attain old age in thy life, say not to them a word of contempt, nor repel them, but address them in terms of honour. (17:23)
And, out of kindness, lower to them the wing of humility, and say: "My Lord! bestow on them thy Mercy even as they cherished me in childhood." (17:24)
Be neither miserly or wasteful in one's expenditure: And render to the kindred their due rights, as (also) to those in want, and to the wayfarer: But squander not (your wealth) in the manner of a spendthrift. (17:26)
Verily spendthrifts are brothers of the Evil Ones; and the Evil One is to his Lord (himself) ungrateful. (17:27)
And even if thou hast to turn away from them in pursuit of the Mercy from thy Lord which thou dost expect, yet speak to them a word of easy kindness. (17:28) Make not thy hand tied (like a niggard's) to thy neck, nor stretch it forth to its utmost reach, so that thou become blameworthy and destitute. (17:29)
Do not engage in 'mercy killings' for fear of starvation: Kill not your children for fear of want: We shall provide sustenance for them as well as for you. Verily the killing of them is a great sin. (17:31)
Do not commit adultery: Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils). (17:32)
Do not kill unjustly: Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law). (17:33)
Care for orphaned children: Come not nigh to the orphan's property except to improve it, until he attains the age of full strength...(17:34)
Keep one's promises: ...fulfil (every) engagement [i.e. promise/covenant], for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning). (17:34)
Be honest and fair in one's interactions: Give full measure when ye measure, and weigh with a balance that is straight: that is the most fitting and the most advantageous in the final determination. (17:35)
Do not be arrogant in one's claims or beliefs: And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning). (17:36)
Nor walk on the earth with insolence: for thou canst not rend the earth asunder, nor reach the mountains in height. (17:37)
Idolatry See main articles: Idolatry, Idolatry in Judaism, Idolatry in Christianity, Idolatry in Islam
Christianity holds that the essential element of the commandment not to make "any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above" is "and bow down and worship it". Thus, they hold that one may build and use "likenesses", as long as the object is not worshipped. As a result, many Christian buildings and services feature images, some feature statues, and in some Orthodox services, icons are venerated. For most Christians, this practice is understood as fulfilling the observance of this commandment, as the images are not being worshipped.
Eastern Orthodoxy teaches that the incarnation of God as a human, Jesus, makes it permissible and necessary to venerate icons.
For Jews and Muslims veneration violates this commandment. Jews and Muslims read this commandment as prohibiting the use of idols and images in any way.
Some Protestants will picture Jesus in his human form, while refusing to make any image of God or Jesus in Heaven.
Very few Christians oppose the making of any images at all, but some groups have been critical of the use others make of images in worship. (See iconoclasm.) In particular, the Orthodox have criticized the Roman Catholic use of decorative statues, Roman Catholics have criticized the Orthodox veneration of icons, and some Protestant groups have criticized the use of stained-glass windows by many other denominations. Jehovah's Witnesses criticize the use of all of the above, as well as the use of the cross. Amish people forbid any sort of graven image, such as photos.
quote:Originally posted by Am I bovvered(WOTEVER): The entire 613 commandments in the Law of Moses were completely canceled at the cross. Christians are not obligated to observe the Sabbath in any way, and Christians are not required to obey any of the Ten Commandments. Instead, we are under a new law, the Law of Christ.
Notice that this does not mean that the entire Old Testament was canceled, it only means that the commandments in the Law of Moses were canceled.
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In islam it not good to 'waste' time. Replying to you wastes time.
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quote:Originally posted by Ayisha: In islam it not good to 'waste' time. Replying to you wastes time.
so don't comment without proofs or analyses ok honey.
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lol if the prophet mohamed (pbuh) was murderer why would he go visit his enemies with gifts when they where sick he was the victim of abbuse and never rataliated against them and when he went to visit hes enemies they would be shocked to see him because they all ways abused him and from there they turned to allah and his prophets and by the way islam is actually the fastest growing religion in the worl in america 70 percent of black american that enter jail 70% of them convert to islam and when they get out none of them re offened and the other 30% who dont convert 80%of them re offened ,so much to saY that islam is a violent religion
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quote:Originally posted by youssef: lol if the prophet mohamed (pbuh) was murderer why would he go visit his enemies with gifts when they where sick he was the victim of abbuse and never rataliated against them and when he went to visit hes enemies they would be shocked to see him because they all ways abused him and from there they turned to allah and his prophets and by the way islam is actually the fastest growing religion in the worl in america 70 percent of black american that enter jail 70% of them convert to islam and when they get out none of them re offened and the other 30% who dont convert 80%of them re offened ,so much to saY that islam is a violent religion
قال ابن إسحاق : وقد حدثني محمد بن جعفر بن الزبير ، عن عروة بن الزبير ، عن عائشة أم المؤمنين أنها قالت : لم يقتل من نسائهم إلا امراة واحدة . قالت : والله إنها لعندي تحَدَّث معي ، وتضحك ظهرا وبطنا ، ورسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقتل رجالها في السوق ، إذ هتف هاتف باسمها : أين فلانة ؟ قالت : أنا والله ، قالت : قلت لها : ويلك ؛ ما لك ؟ قالت : أُقتل ؛ قلت : ولم ؟ قالت : لحدث أحدثته ؛ قالت : فانطلق بها ، فضربت عنقها ؛ فكانت عائشة تقول : فوالله ما أنسى عجبا منها ، طيب نفسها ، وكثرة ضحكها ، وقد عرفت أنها تُقتل .
قال ابن هشام : وهي التي طرحت الرحا على خلاد بن سويد ، فقتلته
قال ابن إسحاق : وغزوة سالم بن عمير لقتل أبي عفك ، أحد بني عمرو بن عوف ثم بني عبيدة ، وكان قد نجم نفاقه ، حين قتل رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم الحارث ابن سويد بن صامت ، فقال :
لقد عشت دهرا وما إن أرى * من الناس دارا ولا مجمعا
أبر عهودا وأوفى لمن * يعاقد فيهم إذا ما دعا
من أولاد قيلة في جمعهم * يهد الجبال ولم يخضعا
فصدعهم راكب جاءهم * حلال حرام لشتى معا
فلو أن بالعز صدقتم * أو الملك تابعتم تبعا
فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : من لي بهذا الخبيث ، فخرج سالم بن عمير ، أخو بني عمرو بن عوف ، وهو أحد البكائين ، فقتله ؟ فقالت أمامة المزيرية في ذلك :
تكذب دين الله والمرء أحمدا * لعمرو الذي أمناك أن بئس ما يمني
حباك حنيف أخر الليل طعنة * أبا عفك خذها على كبر السن
غزوة عمير بن عدي الخطمي لقتل عصماء بنت مروان
وغزوة عمير بن عدي الخطمي عصماء بنت مروان ، وهي من بني أمية بن زيد ، فلما قتل أبو عفك ، نافقت فذكر عبدالله بن الحارث بن الفضيل ، عن أبيه ، قال : وكانت تحت رجل من بني خطمة ، يقال له يزيد بن زيد ، فقالت تعيب الإسلام وأهله :
باست بني مالك والنبيت * وعوف وباست بني الخزرج
أطعتم أتاويَّ من غيركم * فلا من مراد ولا مذحج
ترجونه بعد قتل الرءوس * كما يرتجي مرق المنضج
ألا أنف يبتغي غرة * فيقطع من أمل المرتجي
قال فأجابها حسان بن ثابت فقال :
بنو وائل وبنو واقف * وخطمة دون بني الخزرج
متى ما دعت سفها ويحها * بعولتها والمنايا تجي
فهزت فتى ماجدا عرقه * كريم المداخل والمخرج
فضرجها من نجيع الدماء * بعد الهدو فلم يحرج
فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم حين بلغه ذلك : ألا أخذ لي من ابنة مروان ؟ فسمح ذلك من قول رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم عمير بن عدي الخطمي ، وهو عنده ، فلما أمسي من تلك الليلة سرى عليها في بيتها فقتلها ، فقال : ثم أصبح مع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ، فقال : يا رسول الله ، إني قد قتلتها . فقال : نصرت الله ورسوله يا عمير ، فقال : هل علي شيء من شأنها يا رسول الله ؟ فقال : لا ينتطح فيها عنزان .
فرجع عمير إلى قومه ، وبنو خطمة يومئذ كثير موجهم في شأن بنت مروان ، ولها يومئذ بنون خمسة رجال ، فلما جاءهم عمير بن عدي من عند رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ، قال : يا بني خطمة ، أنا قتلت ابنة مروان ، فكيدوني جميعا ثم لا تنظرون ، فذلك اليوم أول ما عز الإسلام في دار بني خطمة ، وكان يستخفي بإسلامهم فيهم من أسلم ، وكان أول من أسلم من بني خطمة عمير بن عدي ، وهو الذي يدعى القارئ ، و عبدالله بن أوس ، وخزيمة بن ثابت ، وأسلم يوم قتلت ابنة مروان ، رجال من بني خطمة ، لما رأوا من عز الإسلام
After reading about these crimes and you still saying Muhammed is the prophet of mercy you must be kidding.
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Killing The innocent is Illegal. The propeht had never killed The innocent
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you made me smile Sultan,really nice joke. And why they aren't innocents in your opinion,who allowed him to judge anybody?
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Sultan,did I mention Jihad,I am talking about assassination of guys said their opinions on Mohammed,if you can read in Arabic you will find that all what those victims did is only saying poems anti Mohammed then he sent gangs to kill them,what Jihad you mean to justify this.
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well loveforever you seem to be a real hater of islam and its people i think you should calm down a bit and concentrate on your own religion rather than critising islam in false ways ,let people belive what ever they want because everyone has there own beliefs and belive in different things so concentrate on your own religion and stop please putting shame on ISLAM you belive that you will go to heaven and we belive that us muslims or should i say belivers ,just i ask for you to concentrate on cristianity thanks
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quote:Originally posted by youssef: well loveforever you seem to be a real hater of islam and its people i think you should calm down a bit and concentrate on your own religion rather than critising islam in false ways ,let people belive what ever they want because everyone has there own beliefs and belive in different things so concentrate on your own religion and stop please putting shame on ISLAM you belive that you will go to heaven and we belive that us muslims or should i say belivers ,just i ask for you to concentrate on cristianity thanks
Don't you read Arabic? so explain what you have read above from the islamic site if I am wrong say what is wrong and correct it,just talking about me IN PERSON mean you don't have reply to what had been said.
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quote:Originally posted by youssef: well loveforever you seem to be a real hater of islam and its people i think you should calm down a bit and concentrate on your own religion rather than critising islam in false ways ,let people belive what ever they want because everyone has there own beliefs and belive in different things so concentrate on your own religion and stop please putting shame on ISLAM you belive that you will go to heaven and we belive that us muslims or should i say belivers ,just i ask for you to concentrate on cristianity thanks
Don't you read Arabic? so explain what you have read above from the islamic site if I am wrong say what is wrong and correct it,just talking about me IN PERSON mean you don't have reply to what had been said.
no, it means he can see there is no point in replying and correcting your statements, many have tried before but your hate just will not allow your eyes to open. You twist whatever you read and what anyone posts for your own ends in this rediculous hate filled battle you are having with Islam. So it is better for you to concentrate on the LOVE of Christianity which you display so well as you are obviously such a devout and practicing Christian.
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quote:Originally posted by youssef: well loveforever you seem to be a real hater of islam and its people i think you should calm down a bit and concentrate on your own religion rather than critising islam in false ways ,let people belive what ever they want because everyone has there own beliefs and belive in different things so concentrate on your own religion and stop please putting shame on ISLAM you belive that you will go to heaven and we belive that us muslims or should i say belivers ,just i ask for you to concentrate on cristianity thanks
Don't you read Arabic? so explain what you have read above from the islamic site if I am wrong say what is wrong and correct it,just talking about me IN PERSON mean you don't have reply to what had been said.
no, it means he can see there is no point in replying and correcting your statements, many have tried before but your hate just will not allow your eyes to open. You twist whatever you read and what anyone posts for your own ends in this rediculous hate filled battle you are having with Islam. So it is better for you to concentrate on the LOVE of Christianity which you display so well as you are obviously such a devout and practicing Christian.
you mean there is no reply and who is talking now,can you read Arabic lady? so why you don't keep aside,Ispy has said bad things on you and I am not sure if you are eligible to reply in a religion forum,sorry Aiysha it seems you have a bad reputation HERE I didn't know before.
quote:Originally posted by ispy: u not a real muslim u just a horny old slut' in need for gigalos in egypt u are a child aiysha beacourse u just jump over all the bad stuff an live your life in a dreamworld wet your young gigalo can u see yourself in 10 years from now always lying to your fake teeth
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''I'M NOT SAYING I'M GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD, BUT I GUARANTEE THAT I WILL SPARK THE BRAIN THAT WILL CHANGE THE WORLD .'' T.A.SHAKUR
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quote:Originally posted by youssef: well loveforever you seem to be a real hater of islam and its people i think you should calm down a bit and concentrate on your own religion rather than critising islam in false ways ,let people belive what ever they want because everyone has there own beliefs and belive in different things so concentrate on your own religion and stop please putting shame on ISLAM you belive that you will go to heaven and we belive that us muslims or should i say belivers ,just i ask for you to concentrate on cristianity thanks
Don't you read Arabic? so explain what you have read above from the islamic site if I am wrong say what is wrong and correct it,just talking about me IN PERSON mean you don't have reply to what had been said.
no, it means he can see there is no point in replying and correcting your statements, many have tried before but your hate just will not allow your eyes to open. You twist whatever you read and what anyone posts for your own ends in this rediculous hate filled battle you are having with Islam. So it is better for you to concentrate on the LOVE of Christianity which you display so well as you are obviously such a devout and practicing Christian.
you mean there is no reply and who is talking now,can you read Arabic lady? so why you don't keep aside,Ispy has said bad things on you and I am not sure if you are eligible to reply in a religion forum,sorry Aiysha it seems you have a bad reputation HERE I didn't know before.
quote:Originally posted by ispy: u not a real muslim u just a horny old slut' in need for gigalos in egypt u are a child aiysha beacourse u just jump over all the bad stuff an live your life in a dreamworld wet your young gigalo can u see yourself in 10 years from now always lying to your fake teeth
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lol im not a religion freak like you so being honest i would have the knowledge for and argument ,but i have read previous post and guess what you never answer when someone questions cristianty so if you cant take it dont dish it out
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quote:Originally posted by loveforever: 1st Commandment: HAVE NO OTHER GODS
Muhammad worshipped Allah/Ellat a false God from one of the 360 deities of the Ka'ba
2nd Commandment: DO NOT MAKE IDOLS
Muhammad had the Muslims bow towards Ka'ba build and kiss the black stone in the middle of the Ka'ba.
3rd Commandment: DO NOT TAKE THE LORD'S NAME IN VAIN
Muhammad did not know the name of the one true God and perverted the true name of God by calling it Allah which is foreign name to YHVH.
4th Commandment: KEEP THE SABBATH DAY
Muhammad changed the Sabbath by calling Friday holy and failed to keep the Sabbath because the Jews refused to accept him so he changed his day from the Jewish Sabbath.
5th Commandment: HONOR YOUR PARENTS
Muhammad dishonoured his mother and father by the acts that he did, he robbed and pillaged innocent people which made many people cursed his parents.
6th Commandment: DO NOT MURDER
Muhammad had his opponents murdered one by one. Asma bint Marwan ,Jewish chief called Kinana in Khaibar of the tribe of Banu Nadir,Um Qirfa,Ka'b bin Alashraf....etc
7th Commandment: DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY
Muhammad slept with his slaves(coptic Mary),Rayhana,Omm Sharik,Maymuna,Zaynab,Khawla Juwayriya bint al-Harith,claiming he had a religious right by justifying his behaviour by the Qur'an which he also violated and married more than four.
8th Commandment: DO NOT STEAL
Muhammad robbed and pillaged, he stole from the Quraish tribe by conducting 29 of the 69 raids against the passing Quraish caravans in the desert stealing their money.
9th Commandment: DO NOT FALSELY ACCUSE
Muhammad bore false testimony against the Jewish tribes in Medina to drive them out of Arabia by saying they helped the Quraish tribe when in fact they did not.
All three tribes of the Jews were eliminated one by one.
Banu Qainuqa - Expelled
Banu Nader - Expelled
Banu Qurayza - All the men beheaded
10th Commandment: DO NOT COVET
Muhammad coveted his adopted son's wife,In Sura 33:37 Muhammad found justification to marry Zainab bint Jaash after she got divorced from his adopted son Zaid because this was supposively Allah's wish also,after this event Muhammad banned adoption .
Anybody who still thinks that Muhammed is a great prophet has got to be kidding.
Wow,this statement points towards WARLORD.
Many of the prophets were seen as this,any religion,and named profits.
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Oh come on,anyone have evidence any leader is so pure and has not benefited himself from power?
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quote:Originally posted by spacedust: Oh come on,anyone have evidence any leader is so pure and has not benefited himself from power?
I am not talking about any leader I am talking about Mohammed which Muslims say he is the seal of the prophets,prophet of mercy,the greatest prophet....etc,your reply is not matcing the whole issue,read again.
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Ellat is one of the gods the animists worshipped when Mohammad came to deny them that.
The other god is Al-Ozza. They were Ellat & Al-Ozza.
Enough proof of total ignorance about simple facts.
Loveforever, why don't you just stick to the Dumb Section where you know what you're talking about? Thank you.
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loveforever you will always make me laugh till death have we discussed all of the above issues or haven't we.
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quote:Originally posted by youssef: lol if the prophet mohamed (pbuh) was murderer why would he go visit his enemies with gifts when they where sick he was the victim of abbuse and never rataliated against them and when he went to visit hes enemies they would be shocked to see him because they all ways abused him and from there they turned to allah and his prophets and by the way islam is actually the fastest growing religion in the worl in america 70 percent of black american that enter jail 70% of them convert to islam and when they get out none of them re offened and the other 30% who dont convert 80%of them re offened ,so much to saY that islam is a violent religion
قال ابن إسحاق : وقد حدثني محمد بن جعفر بن الزبير ، عن عروة بن الزبير ، عن عائشة أم المؤمنين أنها قالت : لم يقتل من نسائهم إلا امراة واحدة . قالت : والله إنها لعندي تحَدَّث معي ، وتضحك ظهرا وبطنا ، ورسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقتل رجالها في السوق ، إذ هتف هاتف باسمها : أين فلانة ؟ قالت : أنا والله ، قالت : قلت لها : ويلك ؛ ما لك ؟ قالت : أُقتل ؛ قلت : ولم ؟ قالت : لحدث أحدثته ؛ قالت : فانطلق بها ، فضربت عنقها ؛ فكانت عائشة تقول : فوالله ما أنسى عجبا منها ، طيب نفسها ، وكثرة ضحكها ، وقد عرفت أنها تُقتل .
قال ابن هشام : وهي التي طرحت الرحا على خلاد بن سويد ، فقتلته
قال ابن إسحاق : وغزوة سالم بن عمير لقتل أبي عفك ، أحد بني عمرو بن عوف ثم بني عبيدة ، وكان قد نجم نفاقه ، حين قتل رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم الحارث ابن سويد بن صامت ، فقال :
لقد عشت دهرا وما إن أرى * من الناس دارا ولا مجمعا
أبر عهودا وأوفى لمن * يعاقد فيهم إذا ما دعا
من أولاد قيلة في جمعهم * يهد الجبال ولم يخضعا
فصدعهم راكب جاءهم * حلال حرام لشتى معا
فلو أن بالعز صدقتم * أو الملك تابعتم تبعا
فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : من لي بهذا الخبيث ، فخرج سالم بن عمير ، أخو بني عمرو بن عوف ، وهو أحد البكائين ، فقتله ؟ فقالت أمامة المزيرية في ذلك :
تكذب دين الله والمرء أحمدا * لعمرو الذي أمناك أن بئس ما يمني
حباك حنيف أخر الليل طعنة * أبا عفك خذها على كبر السن
غزوة عمير بن عدي الخطمي لقتل عصماء بنت مروان
وغزوة عمير بن عدي الخطمي عصماء بنت مروان ، وهي من بني أمية بن زيد ، فلما قتل أبو عفك ، نافقت فذكر عبدالله بن الحارث بن الفضيل ، عن أبيه ، قال : وكانت تحت رجل من بني خطمة ، يقال له يزيد بن زيد ، فقالت تعيب الإسلام وأهله :
باست بني مالك والنبيت * وعوف وباست بني الخزرج
أطعتم أتاويَّ من غيركم * فلا من مراد ولا مذحج
ترجونه بعد قتل الرءوس * كما يرتجي مرق المنضج
ألا أنف يبتغي غرة * فيقطع من أمل المرتجي
قال فأجابها حسان بن ثابت فقال :
بنو وائل وبنو واقف * وخطمة دون بني الخزرج
متى ما دعت سفها ويحها * بعولتها والمنايا تجي
فهزت فتى ماجدا عرقه * كريم المداخل والمخرج
فضرجها من نجيع الدماء * بعد الهدو فلم يحرج
فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم حين بلغه ذلك : ألا أخذ لي من ابنة مروان ؟ فسمح ذلك من قول رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم عمير بن عدي الخطمي ، وهو عنده ، فلما أمسي من تلك الليلة سرى عليها في بيتها فقتلها ، فقال : ثم أصبح مع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ، فقال : يا رسول الله ، إني قد قتلتها . فقال : نصرت الله ورسوله يا عمير ، فقال : هل علي شيء من شأنها يا رسول الله ؟ فقال : لا ينتطح فيها عنزان .
فرجع عمير إلى قومه ، وبنو خطمة يومئذ كثير موجهم في شأن بنت مروان ، ولها يومئذ بنون خمسة رجال ، فلما جاءهم عمير بن عدي من عند رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ، قال : يا بني خطمة ، أنا قتلت ابنة مروان ، فكيدوني جميعا ثم لا تنظرون ، فذلك اليوم أول ما عز الإسلام في دار بني خطمة ، وكان يستخفي بإسلامهم فيهم من أسلم ، وكان أول من أسلم من بني خطمة عمير بن عدي ، وهو الذي يدعى القارئ ، و عبدالله بن أوس ، وخزيمة بن ثابت ، وأسلم يوم قتلت ابنة مروان ، رجال من بني خطمة ، لما رأوا من عز الإسلام
After reading about these crimes and you still saying Muhammed is the prophet of mercy you must be kidding.
1- she killed and got killed "death penality". 2- haven't we talked about that before once again, just show me where did Mohamed order this woman to be killed also this version of story is not what was in bukhari's book, the story in bukhari was that Mohamed was on badr when this poem was written and there was that man whom killed the woman, he made a promise to god that he will kill that woman if Mohamed(PBUH) return and then he killed the woman, and was afraid that what he has done was wrong yet Mohamed comforted him that it wasn't, never did he order him to do this nor did he order any other person .. read el Bukhari's version
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about stealth .. whom steal from whom, it was them whom stolen the muslim before going to madina, it was them whom raid on mohamed in madina and stolen sheeps before he replied back. false accusation .. if banu Quraza wasn't guilty then why did they surrender ?! Covet !! there is no adopting in islam, islam had forbid there far before this incident actually it was forbidden in Meccah
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to note bau quraza was vey equipped and have much more military power than muslim's power at the day, also no other jewish tribe have helped them, do you think they wouldn't if they weren't guilty or tried to negotiate with muslim or do anything before and after the incident why is that? .. you weak twisting of facts is clear here
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more to say about that it wasn't mohamed whom ordered them to be headed it was sa3d and guess what they have chosen sa3d to put a penelity on them, the question is why should they choose someone to do penelity on them when they are not guilty?!
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quote:Originally posted by bibo1978: 1- she killed and got killed "death penality". 2- haven't we talked about that before once again, just show me where did Mohamed order this woman to be killed also this version of story is not what was in bukhari's book, the story in bukhari was that Mohamed was on badr when this poem was written and there was that man whom killed the woman, he made a promise to god that he will kill that woman if Mohamed(PBUH) return and then he killed the woman, and was afraid that what he has done was wrong yet Mohamed comforted him that it wasn't, never did he order him to do this nor did he order any other person .. read el Bukhari's version
who is the woman you mean Asmaa,um Qirfa..etc and whom she killed?
What the prophet said to comfort the killer?
All the world convicted Hitler,Bush,Saddam...etc for the crimes happened by their blessing during their epochs althought they didn't do these crimes by their hands,those criminals are humans guess what the prophet of mercy who came from God as mercy to the world like Muslims claim what should do to deserve these titles and to be difference than normal humans.
your justification don't deny that he broke the Commandments.
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These incidents quoted from the Sirat Rasoul Allah or the bigraphy of the messenger to Ibn Hisham and this volume is more than 600 hundred pages,so don't depend on Bukhari because he had just mentioned statements and Hadiths by Mohammed not the full stories like Sira book.
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quote:Originally posted by bibo1978: now to adultry can you loverforever tell me what is adultry ?
In Islam, adultery includes both pre-marital and extramarital sex,both included in the Arabic word "Zina",if you checked in any site about the wives of Mohammed you will find another category called concubines. coptic Mary that birthed Ibrahim who died was under this category,but because Mohammed justified his intercourses by Quran,the society accpeted everything from him even the women were presenting themselves to him and you know the hadith of Aiysha that she told him I see your lord hasten your desires.
For example if Muslim man coitus his maid what you will call that and what his punishment???
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quote:Originally posted by bibo1978: to note bau quraza was vey equipped and have much more military power than muslim's power at the day, also no other jewish tribe have helped them, do you think they wouldn't if they weren't guilty or tried to negotiate with muslim or do anything before and after the incident why is that? .. you weak twisting of facts is clear here
I am not weak twisting of facts but it's you who justifing every crime because it's from Mohammed the prophet.if you tried to judge him in neutral way without saying I am muslim and he is my prophet,that time you will see the whole trick.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza In 627 CE, the tribe was besieged by the Muslims commanded by Muhammad, taken captive and all men, apart from a few who converted to Islam, were beheaded.[1] The Muslims alleged that the Banu Qurayza had agreed to aid their Meccan enemies in their attack on Medina, whom the Muslims had just repulsed in the Battle of the Trench.
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