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-Just Call Me Jari-
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Congradulations Afronut.!!!

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Originally posted by Gigantic:
Consider this the first and last time that I will entertain this strawman bullshyt.

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Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:
What is a "Caucasian/Caucasoid"? What are the cranial features associated with "Caucasian", when and where did these cranial features associated with "Caucasians" arise, and amongst what group/population of people?

The caucasian race is the indigenous peoples of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, West Asia, Central Asia, and South Asia. The cranial features are: none to minimal prognathism; a relatively small face; a narrow, tear-shaped nasal cavity; a "silled" nasal aperture; tower-shaped nasal bones; a triangular-shaped palate; and an angular and sloping eye orbit shape. The phoenotype arose approx 31KYA.


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2) What is a "Negroid/Negro"? What are the cranial features associated with "Negroid", when and where did these cranial features associated with "Negroid" arise, and amongst what group/population of people?

The Negroid race is the the black peoples of sub saharan Africa. The cranial features associated w/the negroids are broad and round nasal cavity; no dam or nasal sill; Quonset hut-shaped nasal bones; notable facial projection in the jaw and mouth area (prognathism); a rectangular-shaped palate; a square or rectangular eye orbit shape; and large, megadontic teeth. The Negroid phoenotype arose approx. 13.5KYA


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3) Are uniparental markers (Y and Mtdna) indicative of phenotype?

NO.


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4) What is the difference between a tropically adapted individual and a cold adapted individual?

Limbs; tropic - longer, temperate - shorter.


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5) How long were anatomically modern humans living in Africa before successfully populating the world, and what non African population is closest cranio facially speaking to early AMH coming from Africa who also harbor the oldest OOA genetic lineages?

They lived in Africa between 100kyr to 130kyr. i don't know of any non African population that resembled early Africans of interior Africa, cranially. The morphology of non africans had dramatically changed from that of the Africans of interior Africa.

Don't ever ask me sh*t like this again because next time, I swear I will ignore it till hell freezes over.

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I see a couple(alot) of problems with your response but because it was Mindovermatter's quiz I will give him the fist dibs at a counter response.

Afronut if you have anything you want to add, go ahead. Like I said I see many problems.

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An addendum was added (that is all you will get from me - I only did that to clarify a point) to the thread where you reposted the questions. Go fetch it bwoi.
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quote:
"The caucasian race is the indigenous peoples of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, West Asia, Central Asia, and South Asia. The cranial features are: none to minimal prognathism; a relatively small face; a narrow, tear-shaped nasal cavity; a "silled" nasal aperture; tower-shaped nasal bones; a triangular-shaped palate; and an angular and sloping eye orbit shape. The phoenotype arose approx 31KYA."

- This definition in itself makes no sense.

If one was to accept the definition above while taking approach with the typology regarding anthropology the results will always have self contradictory elements.

It is inconsistent because there are populations who now reside / or are indigenous in those geographical territories who have a plethora of phenotypes in opposition to the craniometrical features listed in that statement alone.

You would have to take in the migrational patterns, date, population admixture, environment, craniometry, adaptation etc and cluster so many groups into a category, some of who are differing and aren't even unrelated to each other.

What happens if the indigenous populations in these regions show so-called "Negroid or Mongoloid" traits due to possible adaptation and or admixture?

Will they be grouped up as Negroid or Mongoloid? If not, why not? Why must some be grouped up as Caucasoid over an opposing cranial metrical feature but not inversely?

One of the many reasons why this typology is so controversial is because of the politics and exploitation behind the term. If one is to accept this as a mainline definition you would pretty much have access to every phenotype on this planet. It's no surprise Horn Africans and even some West Africans are currently being categorized into this Caucasian / Caucasoid insanity definition despite them displaying obvious traits contrary to what is deemed as Caucasoid.

But as expected, Europeans want access to their attributes / aspects evidently revealing the politics and exploitation behind the term.

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The mind game played is very simple. Keep using the now defunct term "Caucasian" to conjure up in peoples mind white Europeans.

Hammer, and Gigantic the Knee_grow, and Fawal(FB-Dirk) and the other Euronuts will continue to use the term even if it makes no sense. Many of us grew up with this term so it is difficult to get out of our minds. Even the US Gov says it has no biological or scientific meaning but yet continue to use it.

The racist have problems and disagree on who should be included or excluded from the "Caucasian" group.

There strategy is to kepp calling the AE Caucasian even if the AE and other such groups eg Somalians, Kenyans etc have absolutely NO genetic, cultural and linguistic similarity with Euros from Caucasia and modern Europe.

The genetic , cultural, anthropological and lingiustic battle have been won by Afro-Centrics a long time ago.

The battle is for the mind of the masses and this is where we have to be inovative because they have the power of the media at their disposal eg NG.

The internet have given us leverage to do this battle.

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US Government Census Bureau:
The Census Bureau collects race data in accordance with guidelines provided by the U.S. Office of Management and Budget and these data are based on self-identification. The racial categories included in the census form generally reflect a social definition of race recognized in this country, and are not an attempt to define race biologically, anthropologically or genetically.
http://2010.census.gov/partners/pdf/ConstituentFAQ.pdf


AMERICAN ANTHROPOLIGICAL ASSOCIATION:

The following statement was adopted by the Executive Board of the American Anthropological Association on race.
We believe[the following] that it represents generally the contemporary thinking and scholarly positions of a majority of anthropologists. In the United States both scholars and the general public have been conditioned to viewing human races as natural and separate divisions within the human species based on visible physical differences. These facts render any attempt to establish lines of division among biological populations both arbitrary and subjective. Today scholars in many fields argue that "race" as it is understood in the United States of America was a social mechanism invented during the 18th century to refer to those populations brought together in colonial America. Racial myths bear no relationship to the reality of human capabilities or behavior. Scientists today find that reliance on such folk beliefs about human differences in research has led to countless errors. At the end of the 20th century, we now understand that human cultural behavior is learned, conditioned into infants beginning at birth, and always subject to modification. No human is born with a built-in culture or language. Our temperaments, dispositions, and personalities, regardless of genetic propensities, are developed within sets of meanings and values that we call "culture.".

http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/racepp.htm

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Here is a black caucasian.. . . Ababda.


Does not look like a negro to me. He has curly straight hair, thin lips and aquiline nose.

Those AEians were definitely not negroes. (insert sarcasm)

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quote:
"The Negroid race is the the black peoples of sub saharan Africa. The cranial features associated w/the negroids are broad and round nasal cavity; no dam or nasal sill; Quonset hut-shaped nasal bones; notable facial projection in the jaw and mouth area (prognathism); a rectangular-shaped palate; a square or rectangular eye orbit shape; and large, megadontic teeth. The Negroid phoenotype arose approx. 13.5KYA"
Correction:

- This definition in itself makes no sense.

If one was to accept the definition above while taking approach with the typology regarding anthropology the results will always have self contradictory elements.

It is inconsistent because there are populations who now reside / and or are indigenous to those geographical territories who have a plethora of phenotypes in opposition to the phenotypes and craniometrical features listed in that statement alone.

You would have to take in the migrational patterns, date, population admixture, environment, phenotype, adaptation etc and cluster so many groups into a category, some of who are differing and aren't even related to each other.

What happens if the indigenous populations in these regions show so-called "Negroid or Mongoloid" traits due to possible adaptation and or admixture?

Will they be grouped up as Negroid or Mongoloid? If not, why not? Why must some be grouped up as Caucasoid over an opposing cranial metrical feature but not inversely?

One of the many reasons why this typology is so controversial is because of the politics and exploitation behind the term. If one is to accept this as a mainline definition it would pretty much have access to every phenotype on this planet. It's no surprise Horn Africans and even some West Africans are currently being categorized into this Caucasian / Caucasoid insanity definition despite them displaying obvious traits contrary to what is deemed as Caucasoid.

But as expected, Europeans want access to their attributes / aspects evidently revealing the politics and exploitation behind the term.

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quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
Here is a black caucasian.. . . Ababda.


Does not look like a negro to me. He has curly straight hair, thin lips and aquiline nose.

Those AEians were definitely not negroes. (insert sarcasm)

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I am confused with your post. Is sarcasm being implied throughout your entire post or only a section of your post?

If not, why would you consider that black African in your image a black "Caucasian?"

Inform to me what features / phenotype are associated with Caucasians and where they originated.

My apologies if i have misinterpreted your post.

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^Sarcasm throughout!!!

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The Forever Morphing Caucasian

continued:
http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/ (nice work Lion!!

The New “Black Caucasians” – Changing Meaning of the Caucasian -
New Caucasian Delusions

In 1937, Caucasians were defined as “the white division of human beings so called because the people are from the Caucaus mountains. They were taken from the highest type of the human family, the circassians, Jews, Armenians, Hindus and Persians.” See Webster’s 20th century Dictionary unabridged, 1937.

A more recent revision of the New Websters dictionary, 1981 defined the terms as: “Caucasian- pertaining to the white race as characterized by physical features. A native of the Caucausus, a member of the Caucasian race.”

In 1992, the American Heritage Dictionary, 3rd Ed,1992 moved this re-definition process even further for it boldly declared as follows: “Caucasian- of relating to, or being a major human racial division traditionally distinguished by physical characteristics such as very light to BROWN skin (??) pigmentation and straight to wavy orcurly hair, and includes people indigenous to Europe, northern AFRICA(??),Western Asia, and India, relating to the Caucasian region of its peoples.”

The definition of Caucasian that exists in Webster’s New World College Dictionary of 1996 is a 180 degrees turn around from the term’s usage in the early parts of the 20th century. In the Webster’s dictionary one finds the following so called explanation: “Caucasoid- from the erroneous notion that the original home of the hypothetical indo-europeans was the Caucasus ..one of the major…varieties of human beings…characterized by…straight or wavy hair..loosely called the white race although it embraces many people of DARK (??) skin color.”

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Side note:


Brazil
Main article: White Brazilian
Recent censuses in Brazil are conducted on the basis of self-identification. In the 2000 census, 53% of Brazilians (approximately 93 million people in 2000; around 100 million as of 2006) were white and 39% pardo or multiracial Brazilians. White is applied as a term to people of European descent (including European Jews), and Middle Easterners of all faiths. The census shows a trend of fewer Brazilians of African descent (blacks and pardos) identifying as white people as their social status increases.[54][55] Demographers estimate that of the Brazilians who classify themselves as White, as many as 15 percent have enough of a trace of African ancestry to be considered Black by methods used to classify groups in the United States.[56]

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So why do we call white people Caucasians? The term was popularized by the German scientist Johann Friedrich Blumenbach, who in 1795 divided the human species into five races: Caucasian, the "white" race; Mongolian, the "yellow" race; Malayan, the "brown" race; Ethiopian, the "black" race; and American, the "red" race. He considered the Caucasians to be the first race on Earth, consistent with the common conception of the Caucasus as a place of human origin. The Bible describes Noah landing his ark at a place called Mount Ararat, which was thought by Europeans of Blumenbach's****[AND GIGANTIC'S] ****time to be on the modern Turkish-Armenian border.

http://www.slate.com/id/2198124

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