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A nonexistent entity at best, but people who possess such traits are nothing more variants of the overall tropical African variation, not a discrete type in itself.
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Exactly. Localized variants based on a variety of factors are more in accord with science, not race categories, which too often are arbitrarily and hypocritically drawn- expansive for so-called "Caucasoids" but narrow and stereotypical for Africans. So Swedes and Italians are the same race but strangely, Ethiopians and Kenyans are not. Hypocrisy is a cornerstone of the 'true negro' approach, and Keita ironically notes how strange it is scholars have never bothered to define a similar "true white"..
And too often, said entity is constructed on the basis of carefully stacked samples, typically contrasting narrowly defined "Sub-Saharan" classifications with one or more expansively drawn "Caucasoids". Some 'Aryan' "thinkers" even claim "Nordic Ethiopians" on the basis of such sampling bias.
more stacked decks - the Oromo are closer to sib-Saharans but are under-represented in other studies as seen above with the "Nordic Ethiopians"
Then there are the standard Poloni, Bosch, Hammer, Cavalli-Sforza studies bandied about- themselves loaded with stacked samples and rigged decks such as taking samples fromthe far north of Egypt and calling them "representative" of Egypt:
more rigged decks from Upper Egypt:
the same rigged decks in cranial studies:
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Dubious validity of biological race
AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY 000:000–000 (2009) The global pattern of gene identity variation reveals a history of long-range migrations, bottlenecks, and local mate exchange: Implications for biological race
From the full text:
The Sub-Saharan African results have important implications for race. For Sub-Saharan Africans to belong to a single race, all Sub-Saharan African populations would have to cluster together on a single branch of a larger species tree, which means that each population would have about the same level of gene identity with all non-Sub-Saharan African populations, i.e., the individual population strata in Figure 3D wouldn’t exist. These separate population strata indicate that the Sub- Saharan African populations do not cluster together, and, therefore, that there is no Sub-Saharan African race in any taxonomic sense.
If the independent regions model was correct, then individuals in the same geographic region would on average be more closely related to each other genetically than would be individuals in different geographic regions. Even in this case, the problem of finding a threshold level of gene identity for declaring taxonomic significance would remain unsolved.
In reality, the between-population gene identity pattern is nested. Because the between-population pattern is nested in Sub-Saharan Africa, and because Sub- Saharan African populations straddle the root of the species- wide population tree (e.g., Li et al., 2008), there can be no Sub-Saharan African race under the shared genetic relationship criterion. The first division in the population hierarchy that coincides with continental locations separates non-African populations from African populations. This division is consistent with the existence of a non-African race, but because of the root, the Africans would still not constitute a race. Another major division along continental lines separates East Asian and Native American populations from all others. However, classifiers would need to put East Asians and Native Americans into a sub-race, because they would already be members of the non-African race. Thus, we see that nested pattern of variation would require that the geographic groups that anthropologists traditionally considered races could not be assigned to the same level of hierarchical classification. -------
AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY 000:000–000 (2009) Human DNA Sequences: More Variation and Less Race Jeffrey C. Long,1* Jie Li,1 and Meghan E. Healy2
We now turn to how these estimates and analyses of genetic diversity within and between populations effect the assessment of human races in our species. Lewontin’s argument against race is historically important and interesting (Lewontin, 1972). He was not the first to argue against race taxonomy using genetics, but his argument was unique. He confronted race by trying to show that classical racial groupings account for too little of the total diversity to be worth further concern. Our results show that race, as represented in the TLIM, fits both data sets poorly. Comparisons between raw and model-generated diversity and genetic distance estimates reveal that the TLIM indeed misrepresents both the pattern and amount of diversity within and between populations. A strong message from our findings is that the model used in an analysis biases the outcome measurements. We agree entirely with Lewontin that classical race taxonomy is a poor reflection of human diversity. However, we do not believe that the diversity components that he estimated using this model reflect an intrinsic property of human genetic structure as some scientists have suggested (Templeton, 1999, 2007; Brown and Armelagos, 2001).
The pattern of DNA sequence diversity also creates some unsettling problems for applying to humans the definition of races as groups of populations within which the individuals are more related to each other than they are to members of other such groups (Hartl and Clark, 1997). This definition essentially encompasses Templeton’s evolutionary lineage definition of race (Templeton, 1999) and Dobzhansky’s gene frequency definition of race (Dobzhansky, 1970). Although it is logically consistent to group populations by relationship, the nested pattern of genetic diversity in the EHM disagrees with the traditional anthropological classifications that placed continental populations at the same level of classification (i.e., race). A classification that takes into account evolutionary relationships and the nested pattern of diversity would require that Sub-Saharan Africans are not a race because the most exclusive group that includes all Sub- Saharan African populations also includes every non- Sub-Saharan African population (Figs. 2B and 4B). Moreover, the Out-of-Africa branch would place all Eurasians in the same race, but this would necessitate placing Europeans and Asians in sub-races. Several sub-sub-races would be necessary to account for the population groups throughout the world. We see no need for such a classification in light of the fact that our evolutionary history gives good guidance for understanding the structure of human diversity.
Some biologists define races based purely on correct assignment of individuals to groups. The best known version of this approach is the seventy-five percent correct classification rule (Amadon, 1949; Mayr, 1969). Edwards has explained how accurate classification will be achieved when multiple polymorphic loci are considered (Edwards, 2003), and we see empirically that there are applications to human data that satisfy the seventyfive percent criterion (Rosenberg et al., 2002; Bamshad et al., 2003). However, the clustering methods in popular use produce human population groups that have a simpler structure than even the TLIM (Pritchard et al., 2000; Falush et al., 2003). This structure is clearly a weak description of the true human population structure, because it does not capture the complete nested arrangement of populations. We do not expect that such a classification will serve any application better than the full nested structure of populations.
In summary, we find for our own data and for a large published data set, that human populations have much diversity when DNA sequences are considered. We show that simple partitions of diversity are biased and that they hide the true extent of diversity. The pattern of diversity that we reveal is richer and worthy of study as it sheds light on the peopling of the world, ancestry and natural selection, and disease patterns (Ramachandran et al., 2005; Rosenberg et al., 2005; Lohmueller et al., 2008).
AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY 000:000–000 (2009) RACE AND GLOBAL PATTERNS OF PHENOTYPIC VARIATION
Does the global pattern of phenotypic variation seen in skin color and craniometric traits support the idea of race? The answer depends on initial definitions and use of the term ‘‘race.’’ On the one hand, the idea of discrete races in the typological mindset of past centuries clearly does not apply to humans (Templeton, 1998; Graves, 2001). There is, however, geographic patterning to human biological variation, both for traits affected strongly by natural selection, such as skin color, and for traits whose distribution tends, on average, to be more neutral, such as craniometrics and many genetic polymorphisms. I suggest that typical uses of the concept of geographic race today are simply crude labels imposed upon this geographically structured variation. In that sense, race is culturally constructed, as all labels are, but it is also based on an underlying reality of biological variation. Rather than argue about whether race is a cultural construct (an idea that many unfortunately take as being equivalent to a denial of variation) or that race is ‘‘real,’’ it might be more useful to consider race as a culturally constructed label that crudely and imprecisely describes real variation.....
The final question is one of semantics. In cases where broad geographic groups are used, should we refer to these groups as ‘‘races’’ or should we use more politically correct terms such as ‘‘geographic regions’’ or ‘‘geographic clusters?’’ On the one hand, the very concept of ‘‘race’’ has such historical baggage that continued use of the term tends to reify incorrect conceptions of human variation. On the other hand, it is probably naıve to think that the term can be wiped from everyday use and misuse. It might be more appropriate to answer the questions about race by noting that race is a crude first order approximation to human biological variation that is arbitrary in terms of the number and definition of races. As such, race may not provide the best way of describing or analyzing human variation.
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It's simple balanced logic. What is a "true negro" as a opposed to an 'untrue' (false?) negro?? Why is there no racial classification of 'true caucasian'??
Once you attempt to answer these queries, that it becomes clear that such racial designations are nothing more than nonsense used by white racists to white-wash or rather "cacasodize" Africans and other peoples. Posts: 26286 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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Metje Blaak should be classified as a European Ethiopian, or White Ethiopian; just like the Nilotic Africans are named African Caucasian or Black Caucasians. Ethiopian being the old fashioned name for Africans.
There are no races, as all humans descend from one single human pair, which was black. All phenotypes are present in blacks. So there are no Negroes, nor are there any True Negroes. There are black, white and yellow phenotypes and all the mixes between these types. True Negroes were invented by racist whites who wanted to claim the piramids as a white accomplishment. And they wanted to hide that Europe was dominated by a nation of black Europeans (1500-1789), who claimed to be a blue blooded nobility. Blue blood is black blood, symbolised by a Moor, an African with Classical African phenotype: A True Negro, according to racist jargon.
[Esther Canadas]
Model/actress Esther Canadas does not appear to be a natural blond and has curly hair.
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Whoaa!!! Is that a man or woman?
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^ Egmond should know since it is his lover!
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: Troll Smasher is Djehuti is Zarahan is Djehuti is a Sicko!
Nope. Sorry but Troll Smasher, Zarahan, and I are different people. We've told you this a hundred times, when will you get this into your paranoid gender-confused mind?? Posts: 26286 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:The illustration (see Figure 30) shows an alleged similarity between "Irish Iberian” and “Negro” features in contrast to the higher “Anglo-Teutonic.” The accompanying caption indicates that the Iberians were somehow an originally African race who invaded Spain and then, Apparently, Ireland, where they intermarried with native savages and “thus made way… for superior races” (like the English) to rule over them
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There are no human races! There are no human races! There are no human races! There are no human races! There are no human races! There are no human races! There are no human races! There are no human races! There are no human races! There are no human races!Posts: 5454 | From: Holland | Registered: Aug 2008
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Don't you hate it when they yank a posted image away? I tend to take it personal.
So here we have Esther Canadas again. Her special looks are used to great effect in a movie remake of The Thomas Crown Affair. In the first version it was Faye Dunaway, who apparently is mixed Cherokee, who was used to shock audiences with her ethnic looks, because its so shocking to find out that whites have slept with coloured women, defiling the white race.
It was considered extremely daring of the filmmakers to parade such a mongrel in front of film audiences, and to repeat this horror again, only recently with Miss Canadas!
Ought to be horsewhipped!
I'am extremely put out and will go and lie down for fifteen minutes.
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Mick Jagger, another extremely black looking white. Some slaves might have escaped the Atlantic trade route, found themselves in Liverpool and mixed their own putty with that of some of the white lasses. Result: a very thick lipped, musical Mick Jagger. Did he not sleep out of wedlock with a black woman, Marsha Hunt, making a mixed race child?
I say he is black!
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These European people may have relatively recent black African ancestry in them (within the last several hundred years). Of course many Italians and other Europeans already admit or recognize that.
Most Europeans with "negroid" or tropical traits are most likely descendants of more recent black immigration as witnessed by the numerous representation of black Africans in European heraldry.
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quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: These European people may have relatively recent black African ancestry in them (within the last several hundred years). Of course many Italians and other Europeans already admit or recognize that.
Most Europeans with "negroid" or tropical traits are most likely descendants of more recent black immigration as witnessed by the numerous representation of black Africans in European heraldry.
Indeed. But some people still seem to be in denial.
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: Most Europeans with "negroid" or tropical traits are most likely descendants of more recent black immigration as witnessed by the numerous representation of black Africans in European heraldry.
After carefully looking at hundreds of images of The Moor in art, heraldry, portraiture and jewellery for the past 3 years, and paying great attention to chronology I have declared that these Moors are not real persons, but symbols of blue blood. Blue blood is the identity of Europe's highest nobility. Blue blood is black blood (1500-1789) when one takes personal descriptions and some portraits in consideration. The many Moors in western art should be seen as an expression of black power and black superiority. Racism which turns itself against this symbol should be understood as a consciously, overwrought liberation ideology. The symbol of superiority, the Moor, became a symbol of hatred.
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