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I also though this following quote was interesting, could it be that Europe had a civilization 2 thousand years before egypt and mesopotamia?
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Found: Europe's oldest civilization By David Keys, Archaeology Correspondent 11 June 2005 Found: Europe's oldest civilisation
How 7,000-year-old temples reveal the elaborate culture of Europe
Archaeologists have discovered Europe's oldest civilisation, a network of dozens of temples, 2,000 years older than Stonehenge and the Pyramids.
More than 150 gigantic monuments have been located beneath the fields and cities of modern-day Germany, Austria and Slovakia. They were built 7,000 years ago, between 4800BC and 4600BC. Their discovery, revealed today by The Independent, will revolutionise the study of prehistoric Europe, where an appetite for monumental architecture was thought to have developed later than in Mesopotamia and Egypt.
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The Bosnia-Atlantis Connection April 27, 2006 by Mark Rose Archaeological Institute of America
Frenzied reporting of supposed pyramids in the Balkans ignores the truth and embraces the fantastic
The world's oldest and largest pyramid found in Bosnia? It sounds incredible. The story has swept the media, from the Associated Press and the BBC, from papers and websites in the U.S. to those in India and Australia. Too bad that it is not a credible story at all. In fact, it is impossible. Who is the "archaeologist" who has taken the media for a ride?
Semir (Sam) Osmanagic, a Houston-based Bosnian-American contractor maintains that the largest is bigger than the pyramid of Khufu at Giza, and that the Bosnian pyramids date to 12,000 B.C.
Construction of massive pyramids in Bosnia at that period is not believable. Curtis Runnels, a specialist in the prehistory of Greece and the Balkans at Boston University, notes that "Between 27,000 and 12,000 years ago, the Balkans were locked in the last Glacial maximum, a period of very cold and dry climate with glaciers in some of the mountain ranges. The only occupants were Upper Paleolithic hunters and gatherers who left behind open-air camp sites and traces of occupation in caves. These remains consist of simple stone tools, hearths, and remains of animals and plants that were consumed for food. These people did not have the tools or skills to engage in the construction of monumental architecture."
And even when the mainstream media catch up and realize that the "Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun" is no such thing, it will have entered the annals of fantastic archaeology and will have a multitude of believers and defenders.
Tuzla (FENA). Professors from the Faculty of Mining and Geology at the University of Tuzla, acting members of the Geological explorations team that did geological studies of the Visocica hill near Visoko (the locality of an alleged Bosnian pyramid), presented today at a press conference in Tuzla the final results of their research completed at the request by the Foundation "Arheološki park Bosanska piramida sunca" Visoko. The team leader Professor Dr. Sejfudin Vrabac said that they have concluded that Visočica hill is a natural geological formation, made of classic sediments of layered composition and varying thickness, and that its shape is a consequence of endodynamical and egsodynamical processes in post-Miocene era. According to Professor Vrabac who specializes in paleogeology, there are dozens of like morphological formations in the Sarajevo-Zenica mining basin alone. The Geological team report on Visocica, based on the data collected in six drill holes at 3 to 17 m depths, is supported by the Research and Teaching Council of the Faculty of Mining and Geology, as well as the Association of Geologists of Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Representatives of the Foundation "Bosanska piramida sunca" from Visoko were present at the press conference, and a member of that foundation and the coordinator for geological research Ms. Nadzija Nukic (BS geology, U of Tuzla 1971) rejected the research findings by the scientific staff from the University of Tuzla, stating that their research was "too superficial for making final conclusions". According to her, there are "too many elements that point at the conclusion that human hand took part in building the pyramid". She added that the excavations will continue as planned, announcing a visit by the pyramid and geology experts from Egypt in mid-May. According to her, "they should provide answers to some questions by the method of comparison". She added that it is her understanding that the Visocica hill near Visoko is not a lone example as there are nine objects or natural formations shaped as pyramids on the territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina, which "can hardly be a coincidence". "Tunnels, the existence of which is undeniable, also lead to the need for additional explorations that, regardless of the report by the University of Tuzla, are continuing", said Nukic.
A shopkeeper in the central town of Visoko shows souvenirs of an ancient pyramid. Visoko is booming, boosted by a controversial dig that aims to prove that the nearby Visocica hill is a pyramid built 12,000 years ago by the ancestors of the Illyrians, said to be the first inhabitants of the Balkans. (Reuters Photo)
By Daria Sito-Sucic | May 8, 2006
VISOKO, Bosnia (Reuters) - Pyramid or publicity stunt? Archeologists can't agree but for the people of Visoko, the debate is almost irrelevant: They believe there's a pyramid under the hill near their town and they are already cashing in.
Visoko is booming, boosted by a controversial dig that aims to prove that the nearby Visocica hill is a pyramid built 12,000 years ago by the ancestors of the Illyrians, said to be the first inhabitants of the Balkans.
Many archeologists are skeptical but Semir Osmanagic, the Bosnian-born businessman who came up with the pyramid theory and who is the force behind the dig, is convinced he can prove it.
"As much as the idea of pyramids in Europe and particularly in Bosnia may seem incredible, we're convinced we'll succeed," U.S.-based Osmanagic told reporters.
Since the dig began in April, visitors have flocked to the top of Visoko's hill, some 18 miles north of Sarajevo, making the ascent by car, motorbike and even horse-drawn coach.
On a sunny April day, lines of people clambered up the 2,300-foot-high hill while models from Sarajevo Fashion Week walked around the dig, waving paper Bosnian flags.
"We read about the pyramid on the Internet. It would be great that something so grand happens to Bosnia," said tourist Senada Wiitigen, who came to Bosnia from Germany on holiday.
Nearby, the manager of a food factory was flogging "Bosnian Sun Pyramid" pralines. Hawkers sold hastily printed T-shirts and brandy in pyramid-shaped bottles while craftsmen turned out pyramid souvenirs.
Retiree Rasim Kilalic turned his weekend home near the dig into a cafe. "Please God, let them find a pyramid," he said, rushing to serve crowded tables.
But many established archeologists believe the theory behind Visoko's mini-boom is nonsense.
"Even the slightest acquaintance with archeology would tell anyone that the only things being built in Europe at that time were flimsy huts, and a lot of people were still living in caves or rock shelters," said Professor Anthony Harding, president of the European Association of Archeologists.
"Even if we assume these people have the date wrong by several millennia, and they are actually nearer in date to the Egyptian pyramids, the idea that people in Bosnia at that time were building pyramids of any sort, let alone enormous ones that dwarf even the Great Pyramid at Giza, is pure fantasy."
SUN AND MOON
Osmanagic calls the two hills forming a gate into the Visoko valley the Sun and Moon Pyramids, named after pyramids he saw in Central America. He named a smaller hill the Dragon Pyramid.
"Visocica hill has almost three perfect triangle sides, each pointing toward cardinal points," said Osmanagic, who often wears an Indiana Jones-style trilby hat.
"This and its pyramid shape were enough for me. Nature simply could not build such perfect objects."
Last year, during a dig at the base of Visocica hill -- Osmanagic's Sun Pyramid -- geologists on his team said they found polished sandstone slabs, which may have formed the pyramid's floor. They found another building material, also not native to the area, which they think was used for the stairs.
In the second week of digging, they found stone blocks that Osmanagic said were pyramid walls. Over the next few months, he aims to unearth what he believes are stone stairs and explore 3.8 km (2.4 miles) of tunnels that he says connect the hills.
Pyramid-shaped structures were built by many ancient peoples and used as temples, tombs or royal monuments. Some of the best preserved are Egypt's pyramids, built around 4,500 years ago. Step pyramids exist in Mexico and modern-day Iran and Iraq.
Greece and Egypt have said they will send experts to the Bosnian site in the coming months, but closer to home there are fears the ad-hoc dig could destroy the remains of a mediaeval Bosnian town at the top of Visocica hill.
"This is the equivalent of letting me, an archaeologist, perform surgery," said Enver Imamovic, professor of history and former director of the Sarajevo-based Regional Museum.
VALLEY OF PYRAMIDS
Osmanagic plans to open the "Bosnian Valley of Pyramids" as an archaeological park in 2008. His project is supported by Visoko council and has raised hopes that the area could become a major tourist attraction in a country slowly winning back visitors after a devastating war in the 1990s.
"We should absolutely allow the research here," said Senad Hodovic, the director of the Visoko Historic Heritage museum.
"This isn't about whether there are pyramids or not ... But it's important to create a climate for research, also of the mediaeval town of Visoki, which has never been explored."
Nearby mines and rescue associations have offered their services for the exploration of the tunnels. Universities in Sarajevo and Tuzla have pledged their expertise and firms in Visoko are donating products and services.
The volunteer diggers are mainly unemployed men from Visoko.
"We have such high unemployment that everybody hopes something good will come out of this," said Emsad Husic, a former car mechanic and father-of-three. "You can already feel the town has got livelier in the recent weeks."
Osmanagic believes the site was chosen in the belief that it was a focal point of energies, like Giza in Egypt. That, he says, could explain the local claim that no one was killed in the three-pyramid area during the 1992-95 war.
"The pyramid saved them," he said.
For now, Osmanagic is financing the dig himself. To continue his research this year, he will need some 200,000 Bosnian marka (68,000 pounds), which he hopes to get from Bosnian authorities.
"The history of civilisation has to be rewritten," he said. "Bosnia will become a giant on the world archaeological map."
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Well I heard that I think it was either Cerny or Danube was the oldest civilization and was in Europe aswell..does anyone have any thoughts or info on that?
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Sarajevo - An Egyptian geologist who has joined Bosnian researchers unearthing what are thought to be Europe's first pyramids believes they bear similar hallmarks to the ancient structures in his homeland, an official said on Wednesday.
Aly Abd Alla Barakat, of the Egyptian Mineral Resources Authority, believes large stone blocks found near Sarajevo were man-made and polished in the same way as the pyramids of Giza, said the Bosnian Pyramid Foundation's Mario Gerussi.
"Barakat has also found the presence of a special material linking the stone blocks which is identical to that used for pyramids in Giza," he added.
Barakat had extensive knowledge of the pyramids in Giza and had been recommended for the Bosnian mission by Zahi Hawass, one of the world's foremost Egyptologists, said Gerussi.
Over the next month, he is to work with Bosnian experts at Visoko valley, 30km north of Sarajevo, which is believed to be hiding three major pyramids.
Since the digging work began in mid-April on one of the three hills there believed contain pyramids, researchers have unearthed a number of large stone blocks.
Semir Osmanagic, a self-styled Bosnian explorer who initiated the work, says he believes the blocks are part of a pyramid's surface.
Previously, satellite images showed that the hills in the valley cooled a lot faster than their surroundings, proving the substance of the structures was less dense and therefore probably made by men.
Also, the structures are precisely aligned with the four points of the compass.
The excavation work at Visoko, led by the foundation of local archaeologists and volunteers, will last 200 days and is expected to cost €125000.
While most Bosnians are hopeful the pyramids will be found, a group of the country's archaeologists and historians have dismissed Osmanagic's mission as a "farce".
1-I urge people to listen to the latest program of RADIONEXUS , program 22 now playing at:
http://www.radionexus.com.au and the interview with Philip Coppens - Ancient Pyramids in Europe to GET the FACTS STRAIGHT..
It is very different from the speculations running amok.. Radionexus is part of NEXUS magazine Radionexus is nite and day as compared to Coast to Caost or XZONE
2- the REAL LINK to the actual people doing the digging,research,not similar ones that are "borrowed" by people to foster their own beliefs is:
This is the main and official website and where the MEDIA takes its source news from..
3-again listen to the interview as it will answer the skeptic questions..The pyramid is REAL.It is not a marketing ploy or new ager thing that got out of the hands of their controllers...
Yours,ryb
Note-I do not unconditionally endorse all what is said on that radio program nor all that is written in the NEXUS magazine..
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Oops,sorry here I added an "s' and already it has been HIJACKED by commercial pirates that are prone to cash in on websites that attain xxx number of clicks(they are the scourge of the net)
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Bosnian "Pyramids" Update June 14, 2006 by the Archaeological Institute of America
Growing questions and increasing criticism, geological grandstanding, UNESCO, and more!
ABSTRACT:
One might have thought that the Ice Age Bosnian pyramid story would collapse like a bad soufflé, but no. Mainstream media has become somewhat more critical of stories emanating from Visoko, but much of the real work in dissecting the claims has appeared on blogs and message boards, such as The Hall of Ma'at (see "Pseudoscience in Cyberspace"). Unfortunately, the mainstream folks haven't picked up on much of this.
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The AP story also recycles the opinions of one Aly Abd Alla Barakat, said to be a geologist from the Egyptian Mineral Resource Authority and familiar with his country's pyramids. His assessment: "My opinion is that this is a type of pyramid, probably a primitive pyramid." So, the "supercivilization" was apparently only able to come up with a "primitive pyramid." It's worth looking a bit closer at Barakat's conclusions, or at least the statements made by him. I haven't seen anything that resembles an official report, though according to a June 12 Agence France-Presse story "Barakat said that he had sent a report on the site to one of the world's leading Egyptologists, Zahi Hawass, who had recommended him to the foundation leading the excavation work." (I have not been able to confirm the claim he was recommended by Hawass.)
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So Harding, an archaeologist, says it's natural. Barakat, supposedly a geologist familiar with pyramids, says it's a "primitive pyramid." If only a group of eminent geologists familiar with this area would visit the site. Perhaps they could sort it all out. Oh, wait, actually they did already.
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Archaeologists and geologists are convinced that the hills are just hills, and the information put out by the project is demonstrably inconsistent or self-contradictory or misleading. What's the next logical step? "We shall send a UNESCO expert team to Visoko to determine exactly what it is all about," says UNESCO Secretary General Koichiro Matsuura in a June 5 Reuters story quoting him from an interview in the newspaper Dnevni Avaz.
where's my Dirtbike I want to ride down the side of it while my fans shout "You Rock Dude !"
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Do NOT BELIEVE the NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC,etc they ARE LIARS-they LIE-check it up for yourself..
Even the "orthodox archeologists(European ones) LIE and are using DECEIT..
One of their method is using OLD infos(dated in April,early May) where the searches were not in full swing yet.. and thus what they state is TRUE but it WAS BEFORE THE MAJOR DISCOVERIES..
This is no conspiracy- check the site and see for yourself- photos exist,reports etc...physical evidence not just hearsay..
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Anthony Harding, head of the European Association of Archaeologists has already made a public statement regarding these finding. In his opinion these are not man-made structures rather natural hills.
The latest finding that originally sparked renewed interest in these “pyramids” (which was an area of flat rocks found) in his opinion is just a small portion of natural rock formation.
I will try to find the link to that article but a google search under his name and Bosnian pyramids should get a hit.
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READ CAREFULLY- Prof Harding spent 15 minutes on the site of the diggings:
-he came unannounced, -got out of his car, -look a bit around, -got back in, -drove to Sarajevo -where they were waiting for him and gave a big conference -where he said there was nothing there- just a pile of rocks !
Oh yes they were damaging precious remains of a medieval town
-which remains had been abandonned
The excavation is at least 200 meters from the medieval remains.
This was confirmed by a governmental official on the excavation site..
Is this what one call scholarly investigations ?..
Many people on the site saw him (prof Harding)-so it is not just hearsay..
See website of ARCHEOLOGY TODAY(all mainstream media articles stem from this source)
They have "updated infos" where they DEMAND the intervention of the UNESCO to STOP the excavations..
They call it "unbiased reporting " I guess..
NOWHERE DO THEY MENTION THAT PROF HARDING'S VISIT LASTED A BIG 15 MINUTES..
For REAL and up to date infos (Harding and Co are deceiving people- not giving out latest infos nor basing their conclusions on the most recent discoveries).
If people want to continue believe in the LIES of the official "Archeologists" despite the evidence.. up to them..
then I guess if they declare that the moon is made of green cheese many will line up to taste it too..
http://www.bosnianpyramid.com [REMEMBER-very name similar "commercial websites"]for the latests UNBIASED infos-it is NOT a NEW AGER website,okay ?
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There is very little evidence as of yet. The best evidence IMOP so far is the side of the pyramid (if that is what it is) and that is what he is referring to when he says
Quote : AFP news agency - Anthony Harding - "My opinion and the opinion of my colleagues is what we saw was entirely geological in nature,"
Mind you Prof Harding is very well respected, specializes in European Archaeology at Exeter university in England, has lead many excavations in Europe and is not to be taken lightly. Also he does not have to do the actual digging to know the situation. Most Archaeologists do little digging and more examining of what the workers have dug up (specially when the digs are as large as this). So 15 minutes may be more than enough time for him to ascertain what has truly been dug up when the evidence is presented to him.
Having said that it is early and who knows what will be found, so until there is more concrete evidence I will not make judgment either way.
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Finally- yep ,15 minutes is enough ? Heck, that "archaeologist simply got out of his car,look around(or glance around) and hopped back right in..
Several eyewitnesses saw him just do that..
Instead of quoting AFP just go to the
http://www.archaeology.org website wher they have a piece of "dubius news" on their website- ALL AFP,AP etc presss releases are taken from that WEBSITE...
ryb
Note- the excavation is done at least 200 meters away from the "medieval town" this is confirmed by government official on the excavation site.
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After reading all of your posts and reading the website I originally agreed they were hills and concluded that anything built on them could have been there without the necessity of there being a pyramid in corelation...
..., but after a second look at the site, seeing the tiles, I (not knowing much about the Bosnian "pyramids") now think that there may have been pyramids there.
Does anybody know Why the Egyptian pyramid dude said he and the team thinks there are pyramids, or why the European geologist says he and his crew think that they are naturall land formations.
With all the smart people here, someones gotta know, right?
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Well,one of the problem is that the the "official archeologists"
started by :
1- saying it was a hoax,publicity stunt,new ager thing..
2-then stated that the "diggers" were confusing naturally formed hills with real pyramids like in Egypt
3-well after the story did not die out they came up with natural rocks that looked like carved up stones etc..
4-then they stated that there was this priceless medieval vestige of a medieval hamlet up on the hill
5-said archaeological remnants had been abandonend for years,zero searches were ever conducted or restauration ever attempted on that site
6-and later-in the even that something might be found- all the "diggers " must be expelled,so the real archaeologists can come in and decide what it is really about
7-a call was issued to UNESCO not to send in a team to have a look at the excavations as THAT WOULD "officialize(?) the on-going excavations..
8-a demand to simply close down all the sites,pemamently and leave it at that- the medieval remains of this hamlet(just a few abandonned ruins remain) protected for generations to come.
9-in one of the last attempt- Prof Harding was sent in to do a hatchet job and trying his best to impede,undermine the project:
-questioning the credentials of all the Egyptian experts already there helping out,
-just being 15 minutes on the site(in and out of his car to take a breath of air,basically),
-still repeating lies that the excavations ARE endangering this medieval town"
- forgetting to mention that the diggings are at least 200 meters away from any remains..
-basing his opinions on OLD DATA -re in April-early May-when the excavations were just starting up again
-never mentionning the other sites were carved rocks,tiles were found..
-now silent about the various tunnels connecting the pyramids(originally they were miner's tunnel for coal ???
-equating the script found on the tunnel walls with natural rock formation,etc..-this has not been brought up again
Finally- the people in charge have support inside the Bosnian government thus they can continue their excavatiosn..
AND new discoveries were recently made-(as per interview on last nite RADIO SHOW with Philip Coppens,an investigative journalist).
These are not yet public and apparently some writings or script were found and are being analysed and it is more than just what has been recently put up on the website..
And I sure hope that native Egyptians can take a clue ot two as to how to go about reclaimign their past..
The Egyptian government has been helping them with expert thanks to Dr Hawass(well he did make a good move here);also Bosnia is about 44 % muslim..
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More on Bosnian "Pyramids" Archaeological Institute of America June 27, 2006 by Mark Rose
In "Bosnian 'Pyramids' Update," which was posted on June 14, 2006, I commented on the news stories concerning geologist Aly Abd Alla Barakat, who was said to be from the Egyptian Mineral Resource Authority. According to the stories, Barakat declared that the hill was indeed a pyramid, though a "primitive" one. Was Barakat there officially? What was his expertise? The news stories said that he was "sent by Cairo" (Reuters, June 5) and that he was an "expert in pyramids" (Deutsche Presse-Agentur, June 2). Barakat, we were told, had sent his report to Zahi Hawass, secretary general of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities, who had "recommended him to the foundation leading the excavation work" (Agence France-Presse, June 12). Taking it all together, you might believe that Barakat had been dispatched by Dr. Hawass. Could that be true?
Unable to confirm any of this, I asked Dr. Hawass directly. Concerning Barakat, he states: "Mr. Barakat, the Egyptian geologist working with Mr. Osmanagic, knows nothing about Egyptian pyramids. He was not sent by the SCA, and we do not support or concur with his statements." The supposed pyramid, Dr. Hawass says, is "evidently a natural geologic formation" and that "Apart from its general outline, this hill bears absolutely no resemblance to the Egyptian pyramids." He concludes that, "Mr. Osmanic's theories are purely hallucinations on his part, with no scientific backing."
Meanwhile, Canadian archaeologist Chris Mundigler, whose name had been mentioned as a foreign expert scheduled to work on the "pyramid" excavation, has written to ARCHAEOLOGY, saying that he does not endorse and never agreed to work on the project.
The latest news story from Bosnia quotes two volunteers (said to be archaeologists): "We still don't know about the date, we don't have any artefacts, we don't know who and why built up this construction. We don't know what kind of construction it is." Perhaps those digging are now backing away from the 12,500-year-old pyramid claim.
Mark Rose is Online Editorial Director, Archaeological Institute of America.
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The Masons the only Master Builders of the Pyramids on the Planet and the Original Builders were born in Africa
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You continue to discredit and belittle anyone and everyone who does not believe Osmanagic and call all these people liars. But perhaps the only liar is the one who writes about aliens being the builders of the pyramids. A non-Archeologist who randomly come up with things like “built 12500 years ago” without any evidence leading this way. Someone who, randomly throws out names like “pyramid of the sun”, “pyramid of the moon”, and “pyramid of the earth” just out of the blue with no evidence just because it sounds nice and draws attention.
I know in your mind it somehow makes sense to just believe everyone else is a liar not this guy but you need to Wake up man because according to you the whole world is lying except for this idiot Osmanagic and the day I believe this guy over the many credible person who have expressed their belief that this pyramid story is a scheme and a sham like his other works is the day I believe that Mr. Osmangic is really a tooth fairy and in exchange for a tooth he will put a pyramid in your back yard ...hmmmm .... well... perhaps if the tooth was dollars Posts: 112 | Registered: Jun 2006
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It is people like you,Redshift that show their incompetence at analyzing even simple things..
that permit LIARS like Mark Rose and Myra Wysinger to continue to fool people...
But I guess PHYSICAL EVIDENCE will shut up the likes of M.Rose et al and their followers...
To others that are not just plain stupid-just click on the LINKS I gave and VERIFY for yourself WHO IS LYING HERE...
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quote:Originally posted by ray2006: To others that are not just plain stupid-just click on the LINKS I gave and VERIFY for yourself WHO IS LYING HERE...
Seriously I'm not stupid!
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LATEST NEWS- MAIN SKEPTIC-Prof Harding REFUSES TO HAVE A PUBLIC DEBATE WITH Mr OSMANAGIC..
ALSO THERE ARE PRESENTLY OVER 16 EXCAVATION SITES ON THE DIFFERENT PYRAMIDS(Sun and Moon)
Other pyramids like of the Dragon- apparently the area is still dangerous(mines,unexploded bombs,etc.. as a result from the recent civil war) work is still pending upon assessment of the situation..
Finally by going to this website ,in addition to seeing DOZENS of PHOTOS if the different excavations at different stages(they have to clean up a "hill" covered with small trees,brushes,dirt-up to to 3 feet and more,grass etc..
1-fact that the main skeptics do NOT want to debate tells it all
2- fact that those in charge of the foundation are no longer giving out unfounded affirmations(like " it could be pyramids from Atlantis",etc) and the NEWS that is coming out is verifiable and provable shows that they are not just your usual "pyramididiots.."
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Also Osmanagic stated(based on different satellites measuremnets and other methods as well ..) -that the North side of the Pyramid of the Sun has 3 angles with each sides measuring 365 meters and each angle is at 60 degrees..
-orientation of the pyramid- Cosmic North of Northern Star.. at night..
-the 3 main pyramids constitute a perfect triangle as per satellite filming..
Also there are in fact hundreds of photos that are now available on the website,scroll down beleow the articles...
-Soil samples,parts of rocks etc have all been sent out for analysis..
As per Osmanagic- anthropological genetics has confirmed that the Bmajority of the Bosnian population are descendants of the great Ilirs who lived there 27,000 yrs ago
[Guess that one can use anthrolopogy genetics here too as it has been used in threads about teh orogin of the AE,etc..
I for one believe that this science is still in its infancy so such proofs have yet to be confirmed...]
-Radarsat- under Pyramid of the Sun existence of right/line passage corridors inside the pyramid at an angle of 90 degrees..
Note- You cna also lsiten to a radio interview of Mr Osmanagic bing going to this website
It is a magazine that also has a webradio show... Check it out- very good interviews as well as articles and NO,not just SILLY "putty" New Ager stuff..
Infos in regards to egypotlogists,books as well..
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-article by S. Omanagic "The Pyramid Case:between science and ill disposed opponents"
As for his statements that the pyramids were built up by their ancestors(re Bosnians)that reminds me of the debate between the Afrocentrists,Eurocentrists,Semitic centrists,etc about who were the AE..
And that the ancestors to the Bosnians( and Adriatic people !) can be traced back 27,000 yrs back !!!???
In any event- no written documents that there were any forts,town etc..were the excavations are on-going...
Apparently that region of Bosnian was not affected by the Ice Age...As I am no geologists,thus...
Note-skeptics can no longer hold the premises that it is just a natural rocky hill formation
And all skeptics are either silenced to a degree or are putting up OLD DATA(infos) and of course showing zero pictures...
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Wow, this is very interesting. I'll keep my ear open...look at this photo...
Definently natural...
The archeological community is sh*tting bricks about this because it turns everything on its head.
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1- the archaeologica website- daily news about any kinds of archeology discoveries,diggings.etc going on world wide has YET to post ANY LINK in regards to the BOSNIAN PYRAMIDS-apparently they do not exist..
2-the ARCHAEOLOGY magazine has not UPDATED their June 27th article on their website and that article relies on OLD DATA(April-MAy) and have NOT POSTED ANY of the hundreds of photos of the excavations except a few phtos taken in early May(?) when the excavations were just starting..
http://www.archaeology.org see under their ON-Line Features- item Bosnian Pyramids Update this is the only place on their website you will see their extended discussion about it
3- the ASTRAEAMAGAZINE- you can now listen to recent updates(as they occurr) via audio files as well as newsitems so just go to:
1- ARCHAEOLOGY Magazine and their website have NOT updated their infos about the Bosnian Pyramids let alone show ANY of the HUNDRED of PHOTOS proving that it is more than just a natural rock formation..
Their articles are based on half-truthts,old data,unproven innuendoes and zero recent photos of the Bosnia Pyramid sites..
2-the ARCHAEOLOGICA that reports DAILY NEWS on all excavatiosn gong all around the world-they have ZERO reports on the Bosnian pyramids.Thye willr eport on the |pyramids in China but thsoe in Bosnia apaprently do not exist nor does the excavation sites. http://www.archaeologica.org/
3-to find ou current audio reports about the Bosnian Pyramids go to
posted
For audio files about latest on-goings at the Bosnian Pyramid websites go to http://www.astraeamagazine.com and CLIKC on Bosnian Pyramid Mystery "box" on the left side of the website..
Also noteworthy- http://www.archaeologica.org the website that reports on a daily basis all archaeological findings,digs ,etc..is SILENT ON BOSNIA..it does NOT EXIST...
And ARCHAEOLOGY website/zine has NOT updated their infos on Bosnian Pyramids-they base hteir articles on OLD DATA and have not put up any of the hundreds of recent photos that are available.. http://www.archaeology.orgPosts: 305 | Registered: May 2006
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If this is the case, then why don't we hear about these European pyramids in the media?!!
I don't see any reason why the archaeological community would be "biased" against it. Such a discovery proves to be the wet-dreams of Eurocentists and other white supremacists and Aryanists!!
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quote:I don't see any reason why the archaeological community would be "biased" against it. Such a discovery proves to be the wet-dreams of Eurocentists and other white supremacists and Aryanists!!
lol Yeah, that's is peculiar...
peculiar indeed... aren't there racists against bosnians ... is there any other reason why someone wouldn't want this out there?
quote:Originally posted by Serpent Wizdom: Europeans want pyramids to have been built and built first in Europe so bad....
Will someone please build them folks a pyramid. Please.
LOL soo true
Like I said they have already hired MR. Osmanagic to do this.
quote:Originally posted by redShift: ....Mr. Osmangic is really a tooth fairy and in exchange for a tooth he will put a pyramid in your back yard ...
tooth = $$$
Has anyone looked into how much of an increase in tourism that area has gotten recently? Well its quite a lot. In fact many shops, restaurants and hotels have changed their names to Restaurant of the Pyramid and The Pyramid Hotel and so on. Not mention the amount of press Osmangic is getting for his “fairy tale” books.
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-1- the Bosnian pyramids are NOT LIKE the EGYPTIAN PYRAMIDS
2-hundreds of photos of the various excavation sites show this
3-the shape of the pyramids seem to be similar to those found in Mexico,Central America etc...
4- pyramids- natural mounts were terra-transformed into pyramidal strcutures-this is what the excavations seem to indicate for certain sites..
5- excavations are now on-going at these sites:
-pyramid of the Sun -pyramid of the Moon -pyramid of the Dragon-it has just started
6-not in the NEWS ? More and more mainstream media are reporting on the excavations:
TV Networks;CNN-Europe,Hong Kong TV,Korean TV, Croatian TV,Bosnian TV,Serbian TV,German TV etc..as well as many independent TV stations/networks as well as radionetworks, etc..
7-Also articles are appearing in many magazines,newspapers,even in the mainstream media
8-yes,a BOYCOT(?) but from the orthodox/akademia archeologists - various Universities Depts,Associations,websites,magazines,etc
8-however many archeologists are rebelling vs their "peers" and many archeologists,Universities are now starting to collaboate with the people in charge of the excavations
9- Mr Osmanagic,as a shrewed individual,BEFORE starting the "digs" ,got the support of the Bosnian PM and most of the Bosnian cabinet as well as support from local mayors,some part of akademia etc thus making sure that he could GO AHEAD and not be bogged down by legal persuits,outside interventions etc...
Bosnia is still under UN control to a degree and NOT PART of the European Union yet-so the orthosox powers cannot and could not stop him...
10-I can only encourage people to look up at the different maps,hundreds of photos etc..recent news,-the best site is
Note you might have to click on the upper page - Continue to Bosnian Pyramid website to avoid a "gambling!? ad website( a pesky sponsor ?!!-
well bandwith is costly,thus.. and Bosnian is not the US and a very poor country and the infrastructures not that good(they had a brutal civil war there thus..)
11--some mysterious writings/signs were found but still too early to make any assumptions-
12-it would also appear that the lst European Ice Age did not reach that part of Bosnia-but I am no geologist thus..
13-look at the Pyramids in Italy that were recently found-zero activity on their sites or interest-when a country is controlled-very hard to start excavations outside the approval of the officials
14-there is no Eurocentrism etc..in fact the Bosnian Pyramids appear to be related in terms of alignment,size etc closely to the Pyramids in Egypt at the Giza complex...
15- script? Just a few signs were found so zero conclusions here-only when more signs,whatever are found...
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I watch the news and I still haven't heard anything about pyramids in Bosnia or any part of Europe yet.
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To those that still insist it is all a big scam by Osmanagic and his minions I STRONGLY recommend that you do listen to the 1st interview he gave to astraeamagazine.
You will hear about Mr Osmanagic qualifications,where he comes from,what are his future plans ,how he went about proving that there were pyramids there(no,he did not flip a coin and just poke a stick in the ground and declared-"Aha,I found a pyramid stone"
So before reading about DISINFORMATION TIDBITS check up the source...
ryb
http://www.astraeamagazine.com/index.html and go to section(on the Left The Msytery of Bosnian pyramids and you cna access to infis about the pyramids(docs,audio,video,etc...files)
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the latest interview Mr Osmanagic gave to Astraeamagazine in June:
1- he set it upat first as a /personal private research endeavour it was a personal project of his,to prove that there were pyramids...
2-then he set it up as a non-profit foundation on the condition that he gets zero profit from it
3-he shuttles from Bosnia to Houston(his home) every 20 days or so to take care of his company 's business in the US
4-the tunnels under the pyramids- some are obstructed so work is being done to clear them up and access to the pyramid chambers...
5-as per their calculations it would appear that this pyramid complex extends in a direction of 10 km by 10 km- close to 100 square km
The quarry has yet to be found for certain types of blocks(for the bigger ones..)
6-an unkown script was found
6-some blocks of the pyramids vary from a weight of 5 to 30 tons !
7-more help from the Bosnian government as well as regional governments in the area is expected as well as the arrival of an official Unesco team of archeologists
8-the foundation has nothing to hide..skeptics are welcomed to visit the site and decide for themselves if all of this is a natural rock formation phenomenon..
ryb
Note-I was in contact with skeptics(some with archeological knowledge..) but strangely in view of the mounting evidence they are remaining silent..
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It's all a conspiracy by Afrocentrics manipulating the media to hide the truth about ancient European pyramids!
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: If this is the case, then why don't we hear about these European pyramids in the media?!!
I don't see any reason why the archaeological community would be "biased" against it. Such a discovery proves to be the wet-dreams of Eurocentists and other white supremacists and Aryanists!!
What scientific examinations are you conducting to disprove the pyramids in Bosnia aren't authentic, Djehuti? Absolutely noting!
But hey, what else can you expect from a schizophrenic keyboard scholar.
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