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Just wondering because I keep hearing so much talk about how much people think they know. But my question is - have any of you actually gone to Africa. Besides reading books about other peoples opinions why don't you try going there yourselves!?
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I have asked this question several times in other sections to the folk who know everything about Egypt and either don't live here or have a fortnight touristic holiday and not leave their frickin hotel room...
Then again there are also so many Egyptians claiming to know so much about the west and they don't even have a passport!
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Being from a particular place does not mean not being ignorant of the history or culture of that place. There are plenty of people who are ignorant of the history and culture and all the intricacies therein in their own back yards.
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Because bone heads like you write from the safety of your laptops everyday decrying everything in Africa while prescribing hopelessly idiotic commie alternatives. Posts: 4254 | From: dasein | Registered: Jun 2009
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quote:Because bone heads like you write from the safety of your laptops everyday decrying everything in Africa while prescribing hopelessly idiotic commie alternatives.
But anguish, you denounced the MPLA and championed UNITA when UNITA was backed by the USA and the arpartheid regime and clearly had no objective but destruction. The communist flirtations by various regimes in the 70's and 80's represented an attempt that may ultimately have proved futile largely because of the machinations of the west. Better to try something different and fail than to keep on the same path that guaranteed failure.
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Oh please, MPLA was also in the pockets of capitalists, Gulf Oil and Diamag (a diamond consortium that included SA). Remember they got the state apparatus from Portugal. Those corrupt mestizo bastards were just using communism as a convenient political tool, which is why after cold war ended they dropped Marxism Leninism as an ideology and got help from UN, US, Israel etc in their fight against UNITA.
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True the socialist regime in Portugal handed over rule to fellow socialists - MPLA. So what?
It became necessary to deal with the oil companies in Kabinda in order to finance the war being waged against them by the United States. Real politik encroached. But you can't dismiss the revolutionary fervor of the time, sweeping the third world, articulated in the music of Bob Marley, and reflected in regime changes in Ethiopia, Somalia, Angola, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Nicaragua in the West, Manley in Jamaica as "hopelessly idiotic commie alternatives"
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Oh please, MPLA was also in the pockets of capitalists, Gulf Oil and Diamag (a diamond consortium that included SA). Remember they got the state apparatus from Portugal. Those corrupt mestizo bastards were just using communism as a convenient political tool, which is why after cold war ended they dropped Marxism Leninism as an ideology and got help from UN, US, Israel etc in their fight against UNITA.
Interesting take. What do you make of Savimbi?
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So what? They weren't a "peoples" government, they were a god dam import. The people did not identify with them, maybe some of it was ethnic related. But like John H. Clarke said, if they were a peoples government there would be no need for UNITA. Fact is UNUTA drew on discontent with MPLA, the people did not see these bastards as representing them - especially with their white wives and lack of knowledge of African languages. Like the Americano-Liberian elite they were not interested in any development of African nationalism. The reason I brought up Gulf Oil and Diamag was to point out the hypocrisy of those who point fingers at UNITA getting help from US and SA. Like you said, real politik encroached. or are you saying it only applies to MPLA. Liberation movements get help where they can find it, keep in mind Neto went to Washington before he went to Russia for help against Portugal.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: What do you make of Savimbi?
Savimbi was a brilliant men who got a raw deal at first and made his ego get the better of him later.
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If the MPLA was so unrepresentative why did they win elections monitored by the UN and sanctioned as fair?
So what if Neto turned first to the US for help? So did Ho Chi Minh, so did Castro. The United States was still, naively I admit, believed to be a force for good by many people around the world.
You have an almost Pol Pol-like nihilistic disdain for the intellectual "elites" as you call them (and the white wives thing was a Fanonian thing that many had to grapple with at the time regardless of politics - I think we've moved past that since and realize the greater beauty of our African sisters).
At the time they were trying the only available alternative to the capitalist enslavers: socialism. Even Kwame Ture in his concept of African Nationalism - Nkrumahism - embraces Socialism. Nothing has shown me that this alternative should be discounted.
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UN has no credibility given it's history in Africa and the recent sanction of the overthrow of Aristide. A better question would be if the MPLA were so popular why did they not have elections in 1975? Why did they avoid it then? Why did they massacre their own party people who supported the popular anti-mestizo Nito ALves? And why did they massacre UNITA personnel after the 1990 elections?
quote:So what if Neto turned first to the US for help? So did Ho Chi Minh, so did Castro.
Are they "imperialist stooges"? Or that only applies to Savimbi?
quote:At the time they were trying the only available alternative to the capitalist enslavers: socialism.
This is not quite true. There was Garveyism and even Nkrumah knew this.
quote:You have an almost Pol Pol-like nihilistic disdain for the intellectual "elites" as you call them
Oh. Why you say this?
quote:Nothing has shown me that this alternative should be discounted.
Where do you live? lol
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Because bone heads like you write from the safety of your laptops everyday decrying everything in Africa while prescribing hopelessly idiotic commie alternatives.
LOL!
What the hell are you sweating every word eye type for?
That is all I want to know.
I find it odd that you would be so concerned about what I write when you have yet to provide the specifics required to counter it.
If your concern is facts then provide them and debate them.
But then again, lately all I have seen amounts to rhetorical arguments of very little substance.
And like I said being from a place or traveling to that place once does not make one an expert or above being in ignorance of that place either.
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Savimbi invited the apartheid regime into the struggle. That has made him and Unita anathema! There is something toto genere different about dealing with that regime while they were klling school children in Soweto with gattling guns.
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Not a lot of folks here with firsthand knowledge of Africa I take?
No trips to the major places like Nigeria, Ethiopia, Sudan or Egypt. Just a lot of mouthing off and no action.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: And like I said being from a place or traveling to that place once does not make one an expert or above being in ignorance of that place either.
True. But it still doesn't take away from your dumbass advocating commie polices that not even you can explain properly. lol
quote:Originally posted by Apocalypse: Savimbi invited the apartheid regime into the struggle. That has made him and Unita anathema! There is something toto genere different about dealing with that regime while they were klling school children in Soweto with gattling guns.
You cry for school children in Soweto but support MPLA who killed children in UNITA areas, and like I said, their own people as a result of the party purge. Sounds hypocritical to me.
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osirion the Following have been to Africa form what I gather(I might be wrong)
Anguish of Being-been to S.A Al Takruri-An African hismelf Explorer
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I knew an African once..... just Bull-shyttin.. , plan to when time allowed..plenty of invites Kenya Ethiopia,Ghana,egypt, Senegal,South Africa,Morocco..everyone wants me to home stay...and they all say they will kill a goat..maaay..scwhinng!! .
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: And like I said being from a place or traveling to that place once does not make one an expert or above being in ignorance of that place either.
True. But it still doesn't take away from your dumbass advocating commie polices that not even you can explain properly. lol
LOL! Why are you starting that nonsense on this thread? What is it about the other thread that you can't handle your business without ranting on others? LOL.
Communism versus capitalism is definitely not the scope of economics in the world and has never been. And if that is the ONLY MODE you think in relative to economics then the point is more and more obvious of how much a brainwashed idiot you are.
In fact, the oldest traditions of organized settlement revolved around the ability of a people to defend their "turf" which literally provided for their well being and sustenance. Hence the cows and chickens, gold and everything else were symbolic of the protective power of the king himself as custodian of those lands. So again, yes might and force make right in terms of control of wealth and prosperity for a people. It has absolutely nothing to do with capitalism or communism as those ideas aren't even 200 years old........
quote: Capitalism is a difficult, problematic term; it applies to a diversity of phenomenon spread across disparate historical cultures with substantially variable world views. However, the term is an Enlightenment European term used to describe European practices; so the term "capitalism" means more than just a body of social practices easily applied across geographical and historical distances, it is also a "way of thinking," and as a way of thinking does not necessarily apply to earlier European origins of capitalism or to capitalism as practiced in other cultures.
The earliest forms of capitalism—which we call "mercantilism"—originate in Rome, the Middle East, and the early Middle Ages. Mercantilism might be roughly defined as the distribution of goods in order to realize a profit. Goods are bought at one site for a certain price and moved to another site and sold at a higher price. As the Roman empire expanded, mercantilism correspondingly expanded. But the contraction of the Roman empire from the fifth century onwards also contracted mercantilism until, by the 700's, it was not a substantial aspect of European culture, that is, European economies tended to localize. Arabic cultures, on the other hand, had a long history of mercantilism, living as they did on the trade routes between three great empires: Egypt, Persia, and later Byzantium. As Islam from the seventh century A.D. onwards spread like wildfire across Northern Africa, Spain, the Middle East and Asia, Arabic mercantilism assumed an unprecedented global character. The medieval Europeans essentially learned mercantilism from their Islamic neighbors, evidenced in large part by the number of economic terms in European languages that are derived from Arabic, such as tariff and traffic. From the 1300's, Europeans would begin expanding their mercantile practices, resulting in a social mobility hitherto unseen in European culture as well as pushing Europeans, as it did the Muslims, to explore distant parts of the globe. The voyages of discovery were entirely driven by mercantile ambitions.
As time went on in Europe, mercantilism gradually evolved into economic practices that would eventually be called capitalism. Capitalism is based on the same principle as mercantilism: the large-scale realization of a profit by acquiring goods for lower prices than one sells them. But capitalism as a practice is characterized by the following:
The accumulation of the means of production (materials, land, tools) as property into a few hands; this accumulated property is called "capital" and the property-owners of these means of production are called "capitalists."
Productive labor—the human work necessary to produce goods and distribute them—takes the form of wage labor. That is, humans work for wages rather than for product. One of the aspects of wage labor is that the laborer tends not to be invested in the product. Labor also becomes "efficient," that is, it becomes defined by its "productivity"; capitalism increases individual productivity through "the division of labor," which divides productive labor into its smallest components. The result of the division of labor is to lower the value (in terms of skill and wages) of the individual worker; this would create immense social problems in Europe and America in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries.
The means of production and labor is manipulated by the capitalist using rational calculation in order to realize a profit. So that capitalism as an economic activity is fundamentally teleological.
I was born in Mali, outside of Timbuktu to a Songhai mother and a Tuareg/Songhai father; and I've been to all of the following countries other then Mali..
Niger Algeria Morocco Western Sahara Burkina Faso Côte d'Ivoire Guinea Senegal Mauritania Chad Sudan Tunisia Libya Nigeria Cape Verde
and I hope to visit..
Egypt Ethiopia Eritrea South Africa Kenya Tanzania Rwanda DRC Madagascar Namibia
I know the following arn't exactly located on the African continent, they can be classified as African extentions, i.e. genetically, culturally, linguistically, historically, etc.
Yemen Jamaica Cuba Saudi Arabia Oman Israel Jordan Syria Iraq
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I've been to a number of African lands. That's why like unlike the thread starter above, I don't like to use "sub-Saharan" West African, sideways Africa, or whatever. Nor do I assume that "North Africa" is one damn homogeneous corridor even when illiterates from Egypt understand that they're dependent on a South-North river system.
Taking human fictions, especially those that are not even scientific, so seriously tells me that I'm also dealing with a bunch of bullshit Africans. As if most of Maghreb lies in the Sahara, or the Red Sea is some short of impenetrable barrier, or Saudis are largely pale skinned pale peoples.
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Osirion: ''Not a lot of folks here with firsthand knowledge of Africa I take? No trips to the major places like Nigeria, Ethiopia, Sudan or Egypt. Just a lot of mouthing off and no action.''
then Truthcentric...
''I've been to South Africa. Unfortunately we were there mostly for the safaris rather than learning about the native cultures.''
and Doug M:
''Being from a particular place does not mean not being ignorant of the history or culture of that place. There are plenty of people who are ignorant of the history and culture and all the intricacies therein in their own back yards.''
^ In a word YES.
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^May be so, but unless blind, a person won't mistake what his own backyard looks like, at the very least!
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^ If that person has no interest other than his backyard, narrowly focused, then they will be ignorant.
Doctoris Scientia says all those countries mentioned above have been visited. Since Scientia didn't express an interest in the particulars of those countries other than a visit (vacation maybe), what does it mean to have visited those places that a comprehensive world atlas or specific books wouldn't show, without a visit? So there undoubtedly will be some people who are ignorant in their own backyards. That will hold true in a number of geographical locations on this planet.
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quote:Originally posted by Grumman: ^ If that person has no interest other than his backyard, narrowly focused, then they will be ignorant.
Doctoris Scientia says all those countries mentioned above have been visited. Since Scientia didn't express an interest in the particulars of those countries other than a visit (vacation maybe), what does it mean to have visited those places that a comprehensive world atlas or specific books wouldn't show, without a visit? So there undoubtedly will be some people who are ignorant in their own backyards. That will hold true in a number of geographical locations on this planet.
Well said. To moist, visiting Egypt is running around Western-geared resorts in Delta. To understand a land involves a lot more than just visiting there. That's why, anthropologists and competent historians employ biologists and geneticists, vs some illiterate European, who has visited these lands.
This thread is of one who cannot admit that he was defeated. The man has been thoroughly debunked so he posts this nonsense. I swear, this user would probably would get hurt, while Dirk and Fawal would get killed for spouting their unadulterated Eurocentric bullshit in most of these lands. Maybe not Maghreb, one just gets prostitutes there, but elsewhere: most certainly.
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quote:Originally posted by Grumman: ^ If that person has no interest other than his backyard, narrowly focused, then they will be ignorant.
Doctoris Scientia says all those countries mentioned above have been visited. Since Scientia didn't express an interest in the particulars of those countries other than a visit (vacation maybe), what does it mean to have visited those places that a comprehensive world atlas or specific books wouldn't show, without a visit? So there undoubtedly will be some people who are ignorant in their own backyards. That will hold true in a number of geographical locations on this planet.
Well no offense, not that I'm disagreeing with you or anything; but I was born and raised in Mali, and because of that I was able to interact with the people their, and eventually coming to terms with their history and world view. Most of the countries I mentioned are nations surrounding Mali: Places like Senegal, Morocco, Algeria, and Niger, etc. I mean I used to go to these places routinely: my fathers family was originally from Algeria, my father and some of my uncle's were cross-border truckers, making it very common for us to travel across mush of West/Central/North Africa, etc ... ex. Nigeria, Mauritania, Chad, Libya, the Ivory Coast, and Guinea, etc.
And recently I visited Sudan, i.e. "Nubia", Red Sea/Eastern Sudan, and Central Sudan, with some of my colleague's.
These weren't just quick western visit's, I saw the real streets and peoples and cultures... and I can assure you I wasn't sleeping in no 5 star hotels, my back is a constant reminder.
FYI,I don't know if you haven't noticed but about 2/3's of my list are countries I would like to visit like Ethiopia and Yemen.
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quote:Originally posted by Grumman: ^ If that person has no interest other than his backyard, narrowly focused, then they will be ignorant.
My point is Grumman: Let's take you as an American. Surely, you know what the areas in and the conditions of your immediate surrounding physically look like, don't you? If so [hopefully that's the case], and if you had some random people, who likely never set foot in your neighborhood, on a discussion board speaking about this place in ways that are out of sync with what you see around you, will you not be aware of the difference between your empirical observations and the a priori assumptions of those who never even set foot in your neighborhood?
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Ahh yes, but there are those who are fakers whether it is about their own back yard or not......
Someone searching for truth will find it no matter if they travel to a place or not, just as someone perpetrating a fraud will do so so in the same way.
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Africans might not have a specific knowledge of how their government works or privy to the trade negotiations their government makes on their behalf, but they might know that they and the people they know don't live in "mud huts" like some in here like to stereotype. Posts: 4254 | From: dasein | Registered: Jun 2009
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^The difference between fakers and non-fakers is acquaintance about the settings in question and how this manifests in their observations and associated commentary. A faker is more likely to simply repeat after big corporate media news outlets less critically than a non-faker. A non-faker is less likely to make generalizations about the people of his/her own backyard than a faker. Some Africans know how their governments work, and some are less politically-engaged in the specifics, but for sure, all will be aware of what the government is delivering and is not delivering.
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Here, women are not only driving the economy -- working on construction sites, in factories and as truck and taxi drivers -- they are also filling the ranks of government.
Women hold a third of all cabinet positions, including foreign minister, education minister, Supreme Court chief and police commissioner general. And Rwanda's parliament last month became the first in the world where women claim the majority -- 56 percent, including the speaker's chair.
One result is that Rwanda has banished archaic patriarchal laws that are still enforced in many African societies, such as those that prevent women from inheriting land. The legislature has passed bills aimed at ending domestic violence and child abuse, while a committee is now combing through the legal code to purge it of discriminatory laws.
''FYI,I don't know if you haven't noticed but about 2/3's of my list are countries I would like to visit like Ethiopia and Yemen.''
Yes I did notice (before I posted) and it is still a lot of countries already visited.
but...
''These weren't just quick western visit's, I saw the real streets and peoples and cultures... and I can assure you I wasn't sleeping in no 5 star hotels, my back is a constant reminder.''
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''My point is Grumman: Let's take you as an American. Surely, you know what the areas in and the conditions of your immediate surrounding physically look like, don't you?
Is this immediate surrounding area including the houses next door on both sides? Can this area be expanded to include several houses on the block? If the last question is valid then no, I wouldn't know. The street and houses on it haven't changed physically at all in the 33 years I've lived there. That is what I can see at first glance. From that point I have no way of knowing if anything has changed physically in a neighbor's area several houses down the street, e.g., in the backyard. That's an unknowable to me. However I see what you are driving at but I have to refine it.
... and if you had some random people, who likely never set foot in your neighborhood, on a discussion board speaking about this place in ways that are out of sync with what you see around you, will you not be aware of the difference between your empirical observations and the a priori assumptions of those who never even set foot in your neighborhood.''
Now the area has been expanded to include a neighborhood (no aggression here). This isn't my ''immediate'' surrounding anymore. Using your website analogy substitute it for the local newspaper and how random people get impressions that can turn out to be accurate. Case in point. My street runs nearly three quarters of a mile, then ends in both directions. Peaceful street. No unwanted activity to be seen or read about. In contrast the next street over has been known to harbor unlawful elements for many years; an occasional gunshot or two to be heard; admittedly I haven't heard that in at least a year. So the local newspaper, the random people you mention, says that street which is definitely my neighborhood, has drug activity, according to police reports. Then someone reminds me where I live: ''Oh, you live in that neighborhood with the drug dealing and occasional gunfire.'' That is an accurate assessment yet not my immediate area. In other words it won't necessarily take a hands on, boots on the ground approach to get at the truth. The newspaper accurately described my neighborhood but not my immediate surrounding which is quite peaceful.
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^ actually your "immediate surrounding" is your own subjective mind. Outside of that, are you in alien territory? Can you ever know the things-in-themselves or just what you are perceiving? Posts: 4254 | From: dasein | Registered: Jun 2009
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quote:Originally posted by Grumman: Doctoris Scientia:
''FYI,I don't know if you haven't noticed but about 2/3's of my list are countries I would like to visit like Ethiopia and Yemen.''
Yes I did notice (before I posted) and it is still a lot of countries already visited.
but...
''These weren't just quick western visit's, I saw the real streets and peoples and cultures... and I can assure you I wasn't sleeping in no 5 star hotels, my back is a constant reminder.''
I would think that is the way to get at some answers.
OK, just want'ed to make sure!!
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What I would suggest is to not stay in hotels but to meet locals and stay with them. Most Hotels are in places like Accra, very westernized. However, take a trip out the Sunyami and stay with some of the local college kids and you will get to learn about the culture.
Highly recommend Ethiopia to my African American brothers. I think that would change your lives.
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The women in Africa, I miss them the most. Its hard to get places and the find isn't that great, but the people are so wonderful in Ethiopia. Next to that was Nigeria, unbelievably smart people, well educated on history, downright decent people. Then there's Morrocco, homeland of my Mother's family. Get away from the coastal towns and you are really in a place that will enchant you in everyway. And again, the Women, oh my God! Sorry if I keep brining that up but, you I am a shy guy and not exactly a player, not bad looking in anyway but not that good at the whole dating thing but the Women everywhere I went in Africa was just outrageous. I mean I went to this mall in Ghana and I couldn't believe it. Everywhere you looked man you talking about BOOTY HEAVEN! Damn!
Now I'm being like a typical negro. ;-)
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I hope I'm not offending anyone but I never found big booty black women so physically attractive. I prefer skinny white women (not so skinny so the bones stick out but skinny). I'm not a cracker or a racist or anything but that is just my personal preference. I grew around white women and I always saw these tall and skinny white women with smoooth and soft brown hair as the most attractive to me.
Hope I didn't offend anyone here or come off as a little racist but that is just my personal preference.
And no I've never been in Africa but I definitely plan on visiting sometime. I plan on going to Tanzania, South Africa, Mozambique and maybe even Ethiopia.
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''actually your "immediate surrounding" is your own subjective mind.''
Agreed on.
''Outside of that, are you in alien territory?''
This would take another subjective person to make me realize my subjectivity (assuming you mean terrestrial alien); If he's aggressive then yes I will be in alien territory; then my subjective nature will be realized.
''Can you ever know the things-in-themselves or just what you are perceiving?''
Then subjectivity knows no bounds.
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You love who you love. All women are beautiful and to be Loved.
God does not tell us to love people who are the same ethnic group as us. Love knows no bounds.
The love of women is one of Gods greatest gifts he gives us. Of course I believe in marriage so marry the Girl you love.
Moving on Ethiopia in Africa is really a place I want to experience because of the Christian roots, and it's links to Rastas from the Caribbean. Lot's of people don't know that there is a sizeable Rastafari community in Ethiopia. I would also would like to visit Senegal and Egypt. Trust me if I ever make the trip, I refuse to go on a tourist resort. It's the people and how they survive that interest me.
Peace
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quote:Originally posted by Grumman: This would take another subjective person to make me realize my subjectivity (assuming you mean terrestrial alien);
I mean the general world that is external to your mind.
quote:You cry for school children in Soweto but support MPLA who killed children in UNITA areas, and like I said, their own people as a result of the party purge. Sounds hypocritical to me.
I think the violence that swept Angola during the civil war was a tragic thing. But there is always good and evil; if not there is greater evil and lesser evil. In the case of Angola the difference was clear. Politics makes for strange bedfellows as the old saying goes but expedience can be taken too far. The fact that Savimbi made common cause with South Africa tells you something fundamental about him: he had no principles. Be clear about this: the onus of the orgy of death and destruction that swept Angola is on Jonas Savimbi.
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''I mean the general world that is external to your mind.''
Me:
''Then subjectivity knows no bounds.''
Anguishofbeing:
''Explain.''
You will agree humans perceive this world that is ''external'' to the mind? If you do then subjectivity knows no bounds. If you don't then there can be no subjectivity to perceive this world that you say is external to the mind. I don't believe the two are mutually exclusive. A psychiatrist may say they are. I'm not a psychiatrist so I don't believe they are exclusive of each other.
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''God does not tell us to love people who are the same ethnic group as us. Love knows no bounds.''
Maybe God should have done that... and made it stick. That way today's sociologists and psychologists would have had no need to ramble on seeking explanations why white boys lynched black men because of those white women.
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