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Recently they have discovered a tribe of Amazon Indians that are still shrinking heads. A very primitive group of Indians in South America. However, that is on the East side of South America. Just North of the Amazon Indians we have the very same Indians building great lavish temples and pyramids known as the Mayans.
So how is it that some Indians rose to great stature in terms of technical capabilities and civil institutionalized monarchies but others maintained a very primitive jungle style livelihood? In fact, by the time Columbus arrived, most of the Mayans had fallen back into tribalism.
I guess you might tell me it was aliens. Perhaps lost White people from Atlantis. Even perhaps Black Nubians from Egypt?
Easiest answer, is of course, civilizations fall because prosperity is like the wind.
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Curious to know what you define as "tribalism". It might put things into context a bit more.
- Does Tribalism = Primitive?
- Does Tribalism = Poverty?
- Or Does Tribalism = Poverty = Primitive?
- Why is it some don't have problem parroting "western" corporate media propagandists in describing ethnic diversity and associated multiculturalism in some places as "tribalism", while the same is not so in others; see for example, African ethnic variation is simply described, and even accepted here on this board by some individuals, as "tribes", while ethnic variations elsewhere are not?...
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Because white Europeans want to pretend that they have always been at the forefront of civilization and never "savage" or "primitive" like the "tribes" found everywhere else.
This flies in the face of all facts and reality and betrays an underlying inferiority complex that masks itself in all kinds of superiority complexes. Basically they cannot simply accept humanity for what it is.
Crannog dwelling typical of most of Europe up to 500 AD:
They keep trying to down play their "primitive" origins and try to claim every culture that ever did anything in order to get around the fact that NOTHING of significance in the development of civilization over the span of 3000 years before Christ came from Europe. They ONLY became aware of the whole world outside of Europe only 500 years ago. Something most everyone else already knew about.
Bottom line they are fake, phonies and frauds and their whole civilization is based on a history of lies, fakery, pseudo science, racism, fraud and every other form of deceit there is. That form of fraudulent NATIONALISTIC NARRATIVE is critical to who they are as a people. They need the Abrahamic fables (which has nothing to do with Europeans), the Aryan Superiority myths, the founding fathers fables, the lies about Columbus and the phony concept of IQ. That is what makes them function and it is ALL totally and completely a crock of bull sh*t.
Turn on the history channel and EVERYTHING of any significance comes from Europe. I almost choked watching Jim Varney tell us how all swords, armor and warfare came from the Celts. Really now. So I guess all that ancient warfare in Mesopotamia, Egypt and Asia from 3000 years ago doesn't count?
Please.....
Other examples of typical dwellings in Europe for most of the neolithic up to the early modern age:
Almost everything that Europeans claim as civilized came from OUTSIDE of Europe. Yet of course they pretend to have originated it: writing, art, math, architecture, paper, pens, ink, paint, sculpture, astronomy, astrology, leather work, shoes, clothing, furniture, beds, castles, warfare, horse riding, armor, weapons, knives, swords, metalwork, music and so forth and so on.
And a lot of what they have today came DIRECTLY from the conquests overseas where they STOLE other peoples ideas.
But rather than admit they are liars and thieves who have come up big EXPLICITLY due to the rape, theft, oppression and murder of other cultures, they claim it is due to I.Q........ Another lie told to deny reality and maintain the mythology that underpins everything they do. Like the LIE of America being the home of freedom and opportunity......... for who?
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DOUG it's time to face reality. Negroes due to their extremely low IQ's are not capable of building a civilization like Egypt. Europe was always more technologically advanced than apeAfrica.
For #2: What do the 1800's have to do with anything? But it's possible with hapmap (http://hapmap.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov) to check population differences.
In Zinkstok et al "Association between the DTNBP1 gene and intelligence: a case-control study in young patients with schizophrenia and related disorders and unaffected siblings": The dystrobrevin-binding protein 1 (DTNBP1) gene is a susceptibility gene for schizophrenia. There is growing evidence that DTNPB1 contributes to intelligence and cognition. In this study, we investigated association between single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) in the DTNBP1 gene and intellectual functioning in patients with a first episode of schizophrenia or related psychotic disorder (first-episode psychosis, FEP), their healthy siblings, and unrelated controls. The rs:760761, rs:2619522 and rs:2619538 alleles are associated with increased or decreased intelligence on DTNBP1 rs:760761, the T allele is associated with an IQ drop of 8 points. According to Hapmap, 18% of Whites have this allele, 7% of East Asians, and 37% of Sub-Saharan Africans. rs:2619522, the G alelle takes off 7 points. It's similar to the first, found in 18% of Whites, 8% of East Asians, and 35% of Sub-Saharan Africans. rs:2619538, the T allele adds 6.5 IQ points. Europeans carry it 61% of the time, East Asians carry it 1% of the time, and Sub Saharan Africans 67% of the time.
These are racial differences in intelligence-altering genes, sir.
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^ According to the evidence above, its clear that Asians built the pyramids. I don't see how some nonsense regarding "intelligence" challenges the evidence we've posted suggesting that Ancient Egyptians were Black African.
That just suggests that the so called intellectually inferior Africans were able to build the civilization that we see in the Nile Valley. Must say, impressive that the intellectually "superior" Northern Europeans were uncivilized for most of their history. On the other hand, their lesser counterparts had built civilizations such as those in Egypt, the Sudan, the Great Zimbabwe civilization (falsely attributed to "Arabs") and what not. That's certainly quite ironic.
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t's look at rs:760761, rs:2619522 and rs:2619538, all of which are associated with increased or decreased intelligence in DTNBP1.
Regarding rs:760761, 18% of Europeans carry the T allele, which knocks about 8 points off the ol' IQ, compared to around 7% of East Asians and 37% of blacks.
Regarding rs:2619522, the numbers are similar. 18% of whites carry the G allele, which knocks about 7 points off the ol' IQ, versus around 8% of Asians and 35-36% of blacks...
Regarding rs:2619538, 61% of whites carry the T allele, which adds about 6.5 points to one's IQ, versus about 1% of Asians and 67% of blacks...
If 6% more blacks carry the T allele than whites (67% vs. 61%) on rs:2619538, and the T allele codes for 6.5 FSIQ (full scale IQ) points, then this gives blacks an advantage of .4 IQ points over whites from this SNP.
Also, if 60% more whites carry the T allele than Asians, and the T allele codes for 6.5 FSIQ points, than this gives whites an advantage of 3.9 IQ points over Asians from this SNP.
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Benin Stilt houses^ the above European version is to be considered folksy the Benin version just plain primitive. Another traditional Benin house >Tata Somba</i> house, built by Betamaribé tribespeople, Kuaba
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quote:Originally posted by Bob_01: ^ According to the evidence above, its clear that Asians built the pyramids. I don't see how some nonsense regarding "intelligence" challenges the evidence we've posted suggesting that Ancient Egyptians were Black African.
That just suggests that the so called intellectually inferior Africans were able to build the civilization that we see in the Nile Valley. Must say, impressive that the intellectually "superior" Northern Europeans were uncivilized for most of their history. On the other hand, their lesser counterparts had built civilizations such as those in Egypt, the Sudan, the Great Zimbabwe civilization (falsely attributed to "Arabs") and what not. That's certainly quite ironic.
Agreed on the Northern Europeans but I would not say Asians built the pyramids. They were built by indingenous tropically adapted Africans living in the Nile valley.
As for Asians they show superior performance compared to alleged white "role models. Even the 'Bell Curve people say so:" [quote]
".. they conclude that East Asians (e.g., Chinese and Japanese), whether in the United States or in Asia, score higher on intelligence and achievement tests than do white Americans (the authors don't include European statistics, although they are available). The difference in overall cognitive ability between races is measired at as much as ten points on average (Herrnstein and Murray 1994, 269). This new finding suggests that the usual descending order of intelligence by race of Caucasian, Mongolian, Negro was adjusted in the late twentieth century, with Asians surpassing white Americans for the first time. Hernstein and Murray answer yes to the question they pose to the reader, 'Do Asians have higher IQs than whites?" The authors do not explain this remarkable biological advance for a trait they hold to be 40 to 80 percent inherited." -- Race and racism: an introduction. By Carolyn Fluehr-Lobban (2005). pg 162.
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They have three to five times their proportionate share of college faculty, architects, scientists, teachers, engineers, and physicians. They are overrepresented among winners of National Merit Scholarships, U.S. Presidential Scholarships, Arts Recognition and Talent Search scholars, and Westinghouse Science Talent Search scholars. They are overrepresented at American's most prestigious universities (Flynn 1991), constituting roughly 50% of the freshmen at the University of California at Berkeley and 10% to 30% of students in many other elite universities (Arenson 2007). They score higher on the SAT and ACT, especially in math. In published "school report cards" mandated by the No Child Left Behind Act, they perform much better than other minority groups. They generally excel in quantitative skills and outnumber whites in engineering and computer science disciplines (Hune and Chan 1997). Conservative scholars such as Richard Lynn show Asians achieving higher test scores than whites and estimate the IQs of Asians in their native countries to be higher than that of whites (Lynn 1991). The Asian superiority was especially pronounced in math (Stevenson and Lee 1990). The Asian advantage seems to prevail even in adoption situations. An adoption study of Korean children adopted by whites in Belgium (average ave 1.15), compared the tests of the Asian children with those of native whites, using the French version of the well known WISC test. The Asian children obtained a mean IQ of 119- some 19 points ahead of native whites. This was later norm-corrected to about 110 points, still ahead of native whites. (Sternberg 2000). In the 19930s the black-white IQ gap was estimated at some 15 points. This had narrowed to approximately 8 points by the late 1990s (Dickens & Flynn 2006). This 8-point gap is comparable to the 6-point gap between whites and Asians based on Lynn's data cited above.
Asian American students have also been found to spend significantly more time on homework (Steinberg 1996) and parents have higher educational expectations for their children than White Americans did (Mau, 1997). Golden (2006) revealed that colleges held Asian-American students to a higher standard than whites. Golden concluded that some Asian-American students who would have been admitted if they were of any other ethnicity got rejected -- often for reasons based on stereotype -- to make room for "more desirable" students. Consequently, Asian-American students face by far the lowest admissions rate of any ethnic group (17.6%, compared with 23.8% for whites, 33.7% for blacks, and 26.8% for Hispanics) (Shea 2006), despite the fact that they constitute great numbers of students in some prestigious universities. Asians also seem to have less mental health problems than whites. A 2007 analysis of 379 National Institute of Mental Health-funded psychiatric clinical trial studies published between 1995 and 2004 found that Asian Americans made up only 0.6% of the patients studied -- the lowest representation of any ethnic group (Morain 2007).
Asian students are a remarkable 2.5 times more likely than their white classmates to qualify fir admission for the prestigious the University of california system, They make up 10 percent of the state's population, but almost half of the student body at the state's two flagship schools, Berkeley and UCLA. Of the top bracket in the basic SAT I, Asians made up 25% in Math and 11% in verbal, even though only 4.2% of the eligible students. In the more specialized SAT II tests, Asian scores were again spectacular, thripe their shareof top scores in writing and historym five times their proportional share in biology and about 8 times theit share in boh SAT II math tests, in chemistry and in physics.(Thernstrom S. (2004) No Excuses: CLosing the Racial Gap in Learning. p- 88-110).The same pattern shows in higher income Asians. Asian parents who had earned graduate degrees outperformed white students from comparable homes by 42% on SAT scores. In verbal scores, whites from higher income levels do better, although this is reversed at income levels 60,000 or above where Asians seize advantage. Thernstrom 2004 and other researchers attribute this to the fact that nany Asia students grow up in homes in which English is not the main language, and suggests that Asians would outperform white even on verbal tests if English ws the first language of Asian test takers.He shows that over a thirdof second generation Asians ranked in the top quartile nationally on national NELS tests.
In highly selective institutions of higher education the Asian presence is striking. Only 4% of the US population is Asian, yer Asians made up 27% of the 2000-2001 freshman class at MIT, 25% at Stanford, 24% at Cal tech, 18% at Columbiam 17% at Harvard and 12% at Duke or Princeton. Asians are far more likely to graduate from college. In 2000, a majority (54%) of Asians ages 25-29 had a bachelor's degree or more compared to just 34% of whites. [quote] "The 20-point Asian-white graduation rate gap is even larger than the 16-point black-white gap." (Thernstrom p. 85).
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A number of white writers in the early 1990s have tried to downplay superior Asian performance, but current data from Thernstrom et al, as shown above, undercut these poo-poing attempts. In summary, supposed white "leadership" on the academic front comes in second to superior Asians. Whites as "role models" on this score fail to impress.
Some cynics may argue that the current media overlay of black-white gaps only serves to mask a deeper reality- that of intense white efforts to reverse white decline, compared to superior Asians. In other words, the real agenda is to reduce the Asian-white gap. Blacks are put out front as stalking horses however, to take the heat. Posts: 5905 | From: The Hammer | Registered: Aug 2008
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The glaring absence of direct answers to the questions I posed above is a sure sign that the described culprit users of the term "tribalism", "tribes" or "tribal" would be best served if they didn't use words they don't know the meanings of. It renders one a complete mental-klutz not to know the meanings of words one loosely uses around, or at best, a total parrot which just mimicks what its keeper(s) utter(s), without the foggiest idea what is being mimicked.
Ps - "Mimicked" is emphasized here, as a tacit reference to one who is incapable of thinking for oneself, but needs others to do the thinking of that oneself.
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quote:Originally posted by The Explorer: The glaring absence of direct answers to the questions I posed above is a sure sign that the described culprit users of the term "tribalism", "tribes" or "tribal" would be best served if they didn't use words they don't know the meanings of. It renders one a complete mental-klutz not to know the meanings of words one loosely uses around, or at best, a total parrot which just mimicks what its keeper(s) utter(s), without the foggiest idea what is being mimicked.
Ps - "Mimicked" is emphasized here, as a tacit reference to one who is incapable of thinking for oneself, but needs others to do the thinking of that oneself.
Triballism simply is just that - a civil institution that has an influence at the level defined as a tribe. This state of organization is below that of statehood such as Mali, Songhay, or the Benin people. The term primitive is incorrect but tribalism does have less commerce capacity because there is less cohesion. The advantages of statehood is the enforcement of a single language and set or rules governing commerce. Its one of the advantages of a single religion.
Civilizations can fracture into tribalism due to war and famine. The result is a reduction in commerce and consequently less innovation resulting it what appears to be primitive lifestyles.
Problems in Africa have less to do with IQ and more to do with a lack of cohesion which results in war and famine related arrested development.
By the way, famine results in lower IQ. Wars cause famine. Tribalism cause wars. Vicious cycle really.
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t's look at rs:760761, rs:2619522 and rs:2619538, all of which are associated with increased or decreased intelligence in DTNBP1.
Regarding rs:760761, 18% of Europeans carry the T allele, which knocks about 8 points off the ol' IQ, compared to around 7% of East Asians and 37% of blacks.
Regarding rs:2619522, the numbers are similar. 18% of whites carry the G allele, which knocks about 7 points off the ol' IQ, versus around 8% of Asians and 35-36% of blacks...
Regarding rs:2619538, 61% of whites carry the T allele, which adds about 6.5 points to one's IQ, versus about 1% of Asians and 67% of blacks...
If 6% more blacks carry the T allele than whites (67% vs. 61%) on rs:2619538, and the T allele codes for 6.5 FSIQ (full scale IQ) points, then this gives blacks an advantage of .4 IQ points over whites from this SNP.
Also, if 60% more whites carry the T allele than Asians, and the T allele codes for 6.5 FSIQ points, than this gives whites an advantage of 3.9 IQ points over Asians from this SNP.
You are trying to come up with an average IQ of the so called White and Black people of the world but you don't even know who is and is not Black.
I would argue that you have not included all Black people and therefore have a skewed understanding of the IQ of Black people. You simply want to pick the most primitive Blacks and make a comparison leaving out the more advance Blacks.
Okay, then we should only look at the IQ of the most primitive Whites! We should remove the IQs of Jews and Mediteranean people and only leave in the score of the Irish, Scotish and other Celtic people. And then lets compare. But then these people have mixed with more advance Europeans so we need to adjust the IQ average for them by a factor of 30%.
What do you get?
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Triballism simply is just that - a civil institution that has an influence at the level defined as a tribe. This state of organization is below that of statehood such as Mali, Songhay, or the Benin people. The term primitive is incorrect but tribalism does have less commerce capacity because there is less cohesion. The advantages of statehood is the enforcement of a single language and set or rules governing commerce. Its one of the advantages of a single religion.
Civilizations can fracture into tribalism due to war and famine. The result is a reduction in commerce and consequently less innovation resulting it what appears to be primitive lifestyles.
Problems in Africa have less to do with IQ and more to do with a lack of cohesion which results in war and famine related arrested development.
By the way, famine results in lower IQ. Wars cause famine. Tribalism cause wars. Vicious cycle really.
I've noticed that you haven't specifically answered the questions I put to you. Why?
Also...
Shouldn't the basic and central concept of your post be defined and *known* by you first, before you go onto make yet another topic on the same matter?
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Triballism simply is just that - a civil institution that has an influence at the level defined as a tribe. This state of organization is below that of statehood such as Mali, Songhay, or the Benin people. The term primitive is incorrect but tribalism does have less commerce capacity because there is less cohesion. The advantages of statehood is the enforcement of a single language and set or rules governing commerce. Its one of the advantages of a single religion.
Civilizations can fracture into tribalism due to war and famine. The result is a reduction in commerce and consequently less innovation resulting it what appears to be primitive lifestyles.
Problems in Africa have less to do with IQ and more to do with a lack of cohesion which results in war and famine related arrested development.
By the way, famine results in lower IQ. Wars cause famine. Tribalism cause wars. Vicious cycle really.
I've noticed that you haven't specifically answered the questions I put to you. Why?
Also...
Shouldn't the basic and central concept of your post be defined and *known* by you first, before you go onto make yet another topic on the same matter?
I answered ambiguity but I will not answer to words you have put into my mouth.
Tribalism lacks cohesion which results in reduced commerce. Africa is such a large place that it would be difficult to organize people into a cohesive state long enough to promote a high degree of commerce.
The number one technology that made the Romans a dominating global power is the road. Trade and commerce is at the center of every great civilization. Civilizations can easily splinter if they reach a critical mass without enough commerce.
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I answered ambiguity but I will not answer to words you have put into my mouth.
osirion writes, in the opening:
Recently they have discovered a tribe of Amazon Indians that are still shrinking heads. A very primitive group of Indians in South America. However, that is on the East side of South America. Just North of the Amazon Indians we have the very same Indians building great lavish temples and pyramids known as the Mayans.
So how is it that some Indians rose to great stature in terms of technical capabilities and civil institutionalized monarchies but others maintained a very primitive jungle style livelihood? In fact, by the time Columbus arrived, most of the Mayans had fallen back into tribalism.
I guess you might tell me it was aliens. Perhaps lost White people from Atlantis. Even perhaps Black Nubians from Egypt?
Easiest answer, is of course, civilizations fall because prosperity is like the wind. - osirion
And I follow up, by asking:
Curious to know what you define as "tribalism". It might put things into context a bit more.
- Does Tribalism = Primitive?
- Does Tribalism = Poverty?
- Or Does Tribalism = Poverty = Primitive?
- Why is it some don't have problem parroting "western" corporate media propagandists in describing ethnic diversity and associated multiculturalism in some places as "tribalism", while the same is not so in others; see for example, African ethnic variation is simply described, and even accepted here on this board by some individuals, as "tribes", while ethnic variations elsewhere are not?... - The Explorer
Now, either osirion is intensivelyreading challenged, or quite simply, he refuses to answer the questions for reasons he wishes to hide. How does the above "put words into your mouth", and therefore absolves you from your obligation to clarify the words that you YOURSELF had used in your opening post?
quote: Tribalism lacks cohesion which results in reduced commerce.
Is it not odd that you seem to think that this answers the questions above? Tell me, how does this sentence above answer the questions above?
quote: Africa is such a large place that it would be difficult to organize people into a cohesive state long enough to promote a high degree of commerce.
So to you, "tribalism" = "difficult to organize people into a cohesive state long enough to promote a high degree of commerce"?
quote: The number one technology that made the Romans a dominating global power is the road. Trade and commerce is at the center of every great civilization. Civilizations can easily splinter if they reach a critical mass without enough commerce.
Irrelevant!
Ps - to those who keep posting gigantic images that take time to load a page; it would be nice if you are considerate enough to post them as links, so that those who are interested may click on them at their own risk, and/or pleasure and leisure. Just a thought. Posts: 7516 | From: Somewhere on Earth | Registered: Jan 2008
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Triballism simply is just that - a civil institution that has an influence at the level defined as a tribe.
It is just an ism.
Its an ism that needs to be disbanded and replaced with Afrincanism and then Globalism.
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Not according to what is being specifically asked -- meaning, you did NOT.
quote: Triballism simply is just that - a civil institution that has an influence at the level defined as a tribe.
What is the definition of "tribe", osirion. Do you dig that question any better now?
Like I said before:
Now, either osirion is intensively reading challenged, or quite simply, he refuses to answer the questions for reasons he wishes to hide. How does the above "put words into your mouth", and therefore absolves you from your obligation to clarify the words that you YOURSELF had used in your opening post? - The Explorer
Now let's find out which of the two it is!
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Not according to what is being specifically asked -- meaning, you did NOT.
quote: Triballism simply is just that - a civil institution that has an influence at the level defined as a tribe.
What is the definition of "tribe", osirion. Do you dig that question any better now?
Like I said before:
Now, either osirion is intensively reading challenged, or quite simply, he refuses to answer the questions for reasons he wishes to hide. How does the above "put words into your mouth", and therefore absolves you from your obligation to clarify the words that you YOURSELF had used in your opening post? - The Explorer
Now let's find out which of the two it is!
The English language has plenty of sources for definitions. Why would you want me to make up a definition for you?
If you have ever been to North Africa, one fact should stand out, the people have a form of racism that doesn't even cross racial lines. What we would call divisive and prejudicial is rather normal to them. An attitude of superiority over other people simply because of their tribe is common practice. Not all societies aim for egalitarianism. Not all societies wait patiently inline or show common courtesy.
Imagine Europeans reverting back to tribalism. What would that look like and how could they?
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What is the definition of "tribe", osirion. Do you dig that question any better now?
Like I said before:
Now, either osirion is intensively reading challenged, or quite simply, he refuses to answer the questions for reasons he wishes to hide. How does the above "put words into your mouth", and therefore absolves you from your obligation to clarify the words that you YOURSELF had used in your opening post? - The Explorer
Now let's find out which of the two it is!
The English language has plenty of sources for definitions. Why would you want me to make up a definition for you?
We now at least know that the "intensively reading challenged" assessment about you is a given, without a doubt. Now, read this verrry slowly...
I did NOT ask osirion to "make up a definition" according to his own delusions...BUT I did ask osirion this:
What is the definition of "tribe", osirion?
Now, watch osirion screw this request up beyond recognition, AGAIN!
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^ My point is - why do you need me to tell you the definition. For what purpose.
AGAIN - to my point - tribalism is very similar to racism.
What tribe someone is from in meaningless to a global economy. What can you do is what matters not who you are!
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