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Well I would agree that African spirituality is part of the make up of Christianity..and many of the early church fathers were Africans Abba Moses the Ethiopian Life of St. Moses the Black
One of the more exciting of the early monks in the period of desert Christian monasticism was a Black African (Nubian) now honored as St. Moses the Black. The Lausiac History of Palladius is the main historical source for his life. There is also an account found in the "Bibliotheca Sanctorum" by J. W. Sauget, and approximately 49 apophthegmata found in "The Desert Christian" by Sr. Benedicta Ward. The life of Moses is well documented.
He had been a slave of a government official in Egypt who discharged him for theft and suspected murder. He became the leader of a gang of bandits who roamed the Nile Valley and had the reputation for being associated with terror and violence.
Moses was a large and imposing figure; he became rather notorious for his escapades. On one occasion, a barking sheep dog prevented Moses from executing a planned robbery, so he swore vengeance on the owner. Carrying out his threat, he approached the hut of his victim from the opposite side of the Nile and, placing his weapons between his teeth, swam the river. The owner of the dog heard the approach, so he hid along the river bank, thus escaping disaster, Moses, not finding the shepherd, took four rams from the flock, towed them back across the river, flayed them, sold the skins for wine, cooked the best parts, and feasted before walking back 50 miles to his camp.
Yes he was quite gangsta before becoming Christian.
ST. MAURICE
St. Maurice was a celebrated personality in Europe since the Third Century of the Christian era. He was born a Theban (Nubian) in Upper Egypt or Sudan. Even though Christianity was flourishing in this region, it was under the control of the Roman Empire as other lands in the vicinity of the Mediterranean Sea. St. Maurice was the leader of the Roman legion of the district. In autumn of 285 C.E., Emperor Maximilian sent a large army to Switzerland to oppose a rebellion in the south of Galla. These forces included the Theban Legion. St. Maurice was assigned to Agaunium, 20 Kilometers from the Genfer Lakes. ST.CANDIDA Died 300 AD Candida was virgin believer from Carthage who was martyred by Maximian Herculeus.
St Benedict the Moor St. Benedict the Moor Born: 1526
Died: April 4, 1589
Canonized: 1807, by Pope Pius VII
Feast Day: April 4
Patron Saint of: African-Americans, Negro missions in North America
Also known as Benedict the Black and St. Benedict of San Philadelphio.
Benedict was born of African slaves to owners in San Fratello, Sicily. Benedict's parents were rewarded for their loyal service with freedom of their son at the age of 18. Benedict continued to work along side his family for meager wages and was quick to give what he had earned to those more needy and to the sick. When he was 21 years old, he gave up all of his earthly possessions and joined local hermits in Montepellegrino. In 1564, when Pope Pius IV disbanded the orders of hermits, Benedict moved to Palermo to the Franciscan Frairy of Saint Mary. Benedict started at the Friary as a cook, but was soon elected guardian and then novice master - despite being completely illiterate. Benedict was widely respected for his deep, intuitive understanding of theology and scripture and was often sought after for counseling. He died at the age of 63, on the very day and hour he predicted. The Catholic Encyclopedia Pope Miltiades -- St. Melchiades Born: Africa; Feast Day: December 10 First Pope to live in the Cathedral of St. John Lateran in Rome. He lived only 3 years as Pope A locked door, a single nail driven in a stone wall or who holds the keys to the run-down toilets are points of contention that could lead to the eviction of one of the oldest Christian communities from their sacred monastery. On the roof of the Holy Sepulchre Church in Jerusalem's "Old City," the Ethiopian Orthodox and the Egyptian Coptics are embroiled in a territorial dispute that has been searing for centuries.
Christians believe that the Holy Sepulchre is the site where Christ was crucified and his body anointed and entombed. To be close to this hallowed ground, 25 Ethiopian monks and 3 nuns in their roof-top monastery above the church are prepared to brave another winter. The complex is often without water, heat, lights and without hope of change. The Ankh and the Cross Both symbols of reserection.
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When Christian Europe was looking of a symbol of hope, they prayed that Prester John would come to the rescue. The legends of Prester John (also Presbyter Johannes), popular in Europe from the 12th through the 17th centuries, told of a Christian patriarch and king said to rule over a Christian nation lost amidst the Muslims and pagans in the Orient.
Ethiopia
A map of Prester John's kingdom as EthiopiaThough Prester John had been considered the ruler of India since the legend's beginnings, "India" was a vague concept to the Europeans. Writers often spoke of the "Three Indias," and lacking any real knowledge of the Indian Ocean, they sometimes considered Ethiopia one of the three. Westerners knew Ethiopia was a powerful Christian nation, but contact had been sporadic since the rise of Islam. Since no Prester John was to be found in Asia, European imagination moved him around the blurry frontiers of "India" until they found an appropriately powerful kingdom for him in Ethiopia.[29]
Marco Polo had discussed Ethiopia as a magnificent Christian land[30] and Orthodox Christians had a legend that the nation would one day rise up and invade Arabia,[31] but they did not place Prester John there. Then in 1306, 30 Ethiopian ambassadors from Emperor Wedem Arad came to Europe, and Prester John was mentioned as the patriarch of their church in a record of their visit.[32] The first clear description of an African Prester John is in the Mirabilia Descripta of Dominican missionary Jordanus, around 1329.[33] In discussing the "Third India," Jordanus records a number of fanciful stories about the land and its king, whom he says Europeans call Prester John. After this point, an African location became increasingly popular; by the time the emperor Lebna Dengel and the Portuguese had established diplomatic contact with each other in 1520, Prester John was the name by which Europeans knew the Emperor of Ethiopia.[34]
The Ethiopians, though, had never called their emperor that. When ambassadors from Emperor Zara Yaqob attended the Council of Florence in 1441, they were confused when council prelates insisted on referring to their monarch as Prester John. They tried to explain that nowhere in Zara Yaqob's list of regnal names did that title occur. However, their admonitions did little to stop Europeans from calling the King of Ethiopia Prester John. Prester John - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Brada. Thanks for the posts, the information, and the great pictures.
This sheds a lot of light on the role African spirituality played in creating and enriching world spirituality.
Amazing that it was a rigorous spirituality and proof Africans had the first schools (forerunner to universities) beginning with St. Mark himself, some claim.
The Catechetical School of Alexandria is the oldest catechetical school in the world. St. Jerome records that the Christian School of Alexandria was founded by St. Mark himself.[3] Around 190 A.D. under the leadership of the scholar Pantanaeus, the school of Alexandria became an important institution of religious learning, where students were taught by scholars such as Athenagoras, Clement, Didymus, and the native Egyptian Origen, who was considered the father of theology and who was also active in the field of commentary and comparative Biblical studies. Origen wrote over 6,000 commentaries of the Bible in addition to his famous Hexapla.
Many scholars such as Jerome visited the school of Alexandria to exchange ideas and to communicate directly with its scholars. The scope of this school was not limited to theological subjects; science, mathematics and humanities were also taught there. The question-and-answer method of commentary began there, and 15 centuries before Braille, wood-carving techniques were in use there by blind scholars to read and write.
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However, Christianity is simply a rehashing of many older religious and spiritual concepts including Zoastrianism, Egyptian cosmology and Mithraism. And all of those religions were primarily used to support the ruling power of the culture they came from. Zoastrianism supported the rule of the Persians, Egyptian cosmology supported the rule of the pharaohs, Mithraism supported the rule of the Greeks and Romans.
The main difference between Christianity and these other religions is that Christianity seeks to be a universal religion based on the rule of Europeans over everyone else, as opposed to religions primarily revolving around local peoples and cultures. In that sense, Christianity is not African spirituality. It is not about upholding the beliefs and spiritual values of Africans. It is bluntly primarily about elevating the beliefs, identity and ideals of Europeans over everyone else.
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Some connections between Christianity and Nile valley religions Jesus as the good shepard A black Jesus as the good Shepard You have the Greek and Roman versions of the good shepard But for the original you have to watch these videos www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU7B3zS4C4c And this video speak about the three stars of Orion and notice the line up of the pyramid complex www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZvb2sWPUqs
I must give special shout-out to Bogle for the original introduction to these videos.
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Doug. You are right. In fact, Janos/John Huss, a Celt and the leader of the Hussites as you know protested against the excesses of the Catholic Church which was at the time selling indulgences and involved in other outrages.
In my web page above is picture D4 with David fighting Goliath. Goliath represented the physically enormous Germanic soldiers the diminutive Celts had to fight against.
It is my belief that Germanic tribes starting converting to Catholicism and taking over the churches and church hierarchy making a break with millennium's old traditions and beginning just the outrages you refer to. This protest earned John Huss being burned at the stake and set the stage for Protestantism whose next poll-bearer would be Martin Luther. Huss is forgotten all about.
So, I don't dispute what you say. However, the fact is we are comparing apples and oranges. You are looking at the monstrosity Christianity has become, while I am looking at the fact that (by phenotype) Africans (and let's not rehash the arguments we've had previously. You know how I feel, I know how you feel),
I am looking at the fact that Africans built both the theological and physical (the buildings, churches, temples), traditions, of Catholicism, Christianity, and Judaism (Hasidic Jews are a Germanic peoples who encountered African Hebrews in Spain and carried on their traditions).
This huge creation of Europe and Western religion which has such enormous adherence and wealth today is the brainchild and life's work of the African predating the Germanic Migration Period resulting in the eradication of the African from Europe and them being supplanted in the religions they founded by today's Europeans who don't acknowledge their debt.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: When Christian Europe was looking of a symbol of hope, they prayed that Prester John would come to the rescue. The legends of Prester John (also Presbyter Johannes), popular in Europe from the 12th through the 17th centuries, told of a Christian patriarch and king said to rule over a Christian nation lost amidst the Muslims and pagans in the Orient.
Ethiopia
A map of Prester John's kingdom as EthiopiaThough Prester John had been considered the ruler of India since the legend's beginnings, "India" was a vague concept to the Europeans. Writers often spoke of the "Three Indias," and lacking any real knowledge of the Indian Ocean, they sometimes considered Ethiopia one of the three. Westerners knew Ethiopia was a powerful Christian nation, but contact had been sporadic since the rise of Islam. Since no Prester John was to be found in Asia, European imagination moved him around the blurry frontiers of "India" until they found an appropriately powerful kingdom for him in Ethiopia.[29]
Marco Polo had discussed Ethiopia as a magnificent Christian land[30] and Orthodox Christians had a legend that the nation would one day rise up and invade Arabia,[31] but they did not place Prester John there. Then in 1306, 30 Ethiopian ambassadors from Emperor Wedem Arad came to Europe, and Prester John was mentioned as the patriarch of their church in a record of their visit.[32] The first clear description of an African Prester John is in the Mirabilia Descripta of Dominican missionary Jordanus, around 1329.[33] In discussing the "Third India," Jordanus records a number of fanciful stories about the land and its king, whom he says Europeans call Prester John. After this point, an African location became increasingly popular; by the time the emperor Lebna Dengel and the Portuguese had established diplomatic contact with each other in 1520, Prester John was the name by which Europeans knew the Emperor of Ethiopia.[34]
The Ethiopians, though, had never called their emperor that. When ambassadors from Emperor Zara Yaqob attended the Council of Florence in 1441, they were confused when council prelates insisted on referring to their monarch as Prester John. They tried to explain that nowhere in Zara Yaqob's list of regnal names did that title occur. However, their admonitions did little to stop Europeans from calling the King of Ethiopia Prester John. Prester John - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Good post Brada Anansi.
OT: If I can remember correctly, one of the legends has is that Ghengis Khan was mistaken for Prester John at some point.
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Thanks Jay-Dot-Ptah..got some free time before the holydayz rush.
Mike the Zootype for Amen is the Ram going back to pre-history..
Amen
Amen's name means "The Hidden One." He was a local Theban god from earliest times, and was viewed (along with his consort Amaunet) as a primordial creation-deity by the priests of Hermopolis. (look Ogdoad) Another possible derivation of his name might come from the Libyan aman, water, hence his occasional depiction as a goose. He is also shown as an ithyphallic fertility god, as a ram or ram-headed, again referring to creation and fecundity, or as a snake when he bears the name Kematef. Until the Middle Kingdom his influence was local; but when the Theban kings had established their sovereignty over Egypt, Amen became nationally pre-eminent as Amen-Re, [3] and by the 18th Dynasty was called the King of the Gods. His famous temple, Karnak, is the largest religious structure ever built by man. Anyways I'll look into a Sumerian connection but I am sure that the link to the Kemites and Christians is stronger since there are other connections just as strong. www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/amen.htmPosts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: The "Good Shepherd" theme is actually Sumerian not Egyptian.
Brada-Anansi - I did not mean that figuratively, I meant it literally.
From the oldest written story on Earth. "The Epic of Gilgamesh".
Quote: Is Gilgamesh the shepherd of Uruk-Haven, is he the shepherd. ... bold, eminent, knowing, and wise! Gilgamesh does not leave a girl to her mother(?) The daughter of the warrior, the bride of the young man, the gods kept hearing their complaints, so the gods of the heavens implored the Lord of Uruk [Anu]. End quote.
The death of Ur-Namma - translation
A version from Nippur
entire land ......, ....... struck, the palace was devastated. ...... panic spread rapidly among the dwellings of the black-headed people. ...... abandoned places ...... in Sumer. ...... the cities were destroyed in their entirety; the people were seized with panic. Evil came upon Urim and made the trustworthy shepherd pass away. It made Ur-Namma, the trustworthy shepherd, pass away; it made the trustworthy shepherd pass away.
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^You might note that Sumerian poems contain a tradition still employed in Black poetry and Music - repetition for effect.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: However, Christianity is simply a rehashing of many older religious and spiritual concepts including Zoastrianism, Egyptian cosmology and Mithraism. And all of those religions were primarily used to support the ruling power of the culture they came from. Zoastrianism supported the rule of the Persians, Egyptian cosmology supported the rule of the pharaohs, Mithraism supported the rule of the Greeks and Romans.
The main difference between Christianity and these other religions is that Christianity seeks to be a universal religion based on the rule of Europeans over everyone else, as opposed to religions primarily revolving around local peoples and cultures. In that sense, Christianity is not African spirituality. It is not about upholding the beliefs and spiritual values of Africans. It is bluntly primarily about elevating the beliefs, identity and ideals of Europeans over everyone else.
Here is where I disagree, Christianity is not supposed to be a belief of Europeans over everyone else..not originally. Christianity was meant to be a belief for the restoration of Jerusalem and the fulfillment of the prophets. If one reads the bible innocent killing is forbidden, pride is forbidden, and one must follow the commandments of Moses and the Prophets as well as acknowledge that Yashua the Moshiah is the only way into the kingdom of Heaven.
Europeans who persecuted the Christians changed Christianity which Christ warned would happen.
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Brada-Anansi - You might also notice that there are two possible meanings for Hyksos.
Shepherd Kings
Foreign Kings.
Flavius Josephus: from his book "Against Apion" (quoting Manetho's Aegyptiaca).
"These people, whom we have called kings before, and shepherds too, and their descendants," as he says, "held Egypt for five hundred and eleven years. Then," he says, "the kings of Thebes and the other parts of Egypt rose against the shepherds, and a long and terrible war was fought between them."
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As I said why are we suprised that Key black figures were involved in Christianity.
Various African Christian Empires.. In 1491, King Nzinga converted to Christianity of his own free will, urging the Kongo nobility and peasant classes to follow suit. To varying degrees, the Kongo kingdom remained Christian for the next 200 years. Scholars continue to dispute the authenticity of Kongolese Christian faith and the degree to which the adoption of a new faith was motivated by political and economic realities. From the time of Nzinga's conversion until the seventeenth century, Kongo leadership engaged in extensive communications with religious and political leaders from Europe, including the pope and other members of the Vatican, who accepted the Kongo church as orthodox.
The Kongo kingdom was one of the largest in sub-Saharan Africa during this period; spanning over 115,000 square miles, it had a highly centralized monarchy as well as a powerful noble class. The urban nobility sustained its luxurious lifestyle through a heavy tax system levied on the rural peasant class. Bulk products from the provinces, including copper, salt, wild animal products (hides and ivory), as well as cloth and later slaves, were traded to the Portuguese. Conversion to Christianity solidified these important trading relationships.
The Kongolese nobility swiftly adopted Christianity for several reasons. The first is that the nature of the centralized government and the hierarchically structured society facilitated the dissemination of information. The translations of Christian doctrine into the local language, KiKongo, was done such that words like spirit, god, and holy were rendered directly equivalent to existing concepts in Kongo cosmology. Missionary documents from the seventeenth century claimed that they had found a people who believed in a single god but did not know his name. This tolerant version of conversion practice differs dramatically from the often violent Spanish equivalent in the Americas, which was based on a principle requiring a "change of heart." In parts of Kongo, Christianity was accepted not as a new religion that would replace the old, but rather as a new syncretic cult that was fully compatible with existing structures.
Portuguese missionaries wrote KiKongo dictionaries and grammars and brought many translations of Portuguese religious texts, thus through the process of ordination a local literate class of priests developed. Afonso I, the Kongo king who reigned from 1506 to 1543, was not only literate but also spoke and wrote in Portuguese, and his son Henrique was sent to Europe to complete his religious training. Afonso's many articulate letters to the Vatican and to Portuguese bishops are some of the most important records of precolonial Africa and the Kongo Christian faith.
The adoption of Christianity in Ethiopia dates to the fourth-century reign of the Aksumite emperor Ezana. Aksum's geographic location, at the southernmost edge of the Hellenized Near East, was critical to its conversion and development. The kingdom was located along major international trade routes through the Red Sea between India and the Roman empire. The story of Ezana's conversion has been reconstructed from several existing documents, the ecclesiastical histories of Rufinus and Socrates Scholasticus. Both recount how Frumentius, a youth from Tyre, was shipwrecked and sent to the court of Aksum. Frumentius sought out Christian Roman merchants, was converted, and later became the first bishop of Aksum. At the very least, this story suggests that Christianity was brought to Aksum via merchants. Ezana's decision to adopt Christianity was most likely influenced by his desire to solidify his trading relationship with the Roman empire. Christianity afforded the possibility of unifying the many diverse ethnic and linguistic peoples of the Aksumite kingdom, a goal of Ezana's leadership. Aksum was one of the earliest states to develop a coin system in order to service its sophisticated and prosperous economy. Emperor Ezana was the first world leader to put the cross on coins that are the earliest examples of Christian material culture from Ethiopia.
Remains of distinctive Aksumite church architecture have been located in Aksum, Matara, and Adulis. These are oriented basilicas with stepped podia, which are accessed by a monumental set of stairs. These churches include an apse with lateral square chambers, introduced into the design of basilicas along the south coast of Asia Minor, Syria, and Palestine by the fifth century. The construction of churches is believed to have served the religious needs of the new administrative and military officials settling in expanded territories. The growth of the Aksumite state ended after the Persian conquest of South Arabia, which displaced the trade routes of the Red Sea.
While its origins are unclear, the Zagwe dynasty arose sometime during this period of reduced wealth and international prestige and probably lasted until 1270. The almost complete lack of surviving manuscripts makes it difficult to obtain a clear picture of the period. After the abandonment of Aksum, the previous political and economic capital, the city of Roha, now called Lalibela, was established as the ceremonial center of the Zagwe dynasty. Churches most likely based on Aksumite precedents were hewn out of living rock in the mountains of Lasta. The Church of the Redeemer, the largest and perhaps most famous church at Lalibela, may be an architectural copy of the Cathedral of Mary of Zion at Aksum. The interiors of these magnificent structures were covered with paintings and murals.
Yekunno Amlak's overthrow of the reigning Zagwe dynasty in 1270 marks the beginning of the Early Solomonic period (1270–1530). Amlak based his claim to legitimacy on an alleged lineage with the ancient rulers of Aksum originating with King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba. This period was one of dramatic social and cultural change and development. Extensive international trade returned to Ethiopia since Europeans were seeking alternatives to trading along Islamic-controlled routes. This resurgence lasted until the Portuguese rounded the Cape of Good Hope. Evoking the legend of King Solomon, rulers of this period established royal churches lavishly decorated with wall paintings, gold ornamentation, and precious fabrics. These included the famous rock-hewn churches of Tegre and Lasta. Through affiliations with monastic leaders, these secular rulers used artistic patronage, including the recruitment of European artisans, to establish their authority and enhance their prestige. This interface with Europe exposed Ethiopian artists to new mediums, technologies, and aesthetic sensibilities. These influences are reflected in wall paintings through a shift from rigid frontality and the widespread use of geometric patterning to a three-quarter pose, a greater fluidity of line, and the use of modeling to describe three-dimensional volumetric figures. This new style contained elements of both Byzantine and Italian prototypes.
Monasteries, for example the Dabra Hayq Estifanos monastery in Amhara, were established as centers of learning. These complexes often contained extensive scriptoria for extraordinary illuminated manuscripts, of which very few survive. The labor-intensive work of the scriptorium was often considered a crucial dimension in a monk's spiritual training. There were many monasteries in the region of Lake Tana, including that of Fré Seyon, one of two known artists of this period. Seyon is credited with the development of the devotional Marian Icon images and style. Mary became an extremely important figure in the Ethiopian church when Emperor Zar'a Ya'eqob (r. 1434–68) mandated the reading of the Miracles of the Virgin Mary and that she be honored at most of the thirty feast days in the liturgical year. Zar'a Ya'eqob was particularly successful at utilizing the power of her visual imagery to publicly emphasize teachings about her centrality to Christian salvation.
The Islamic jihads of 1531 through 1543 by the neighboring state of Adal destroyed many royal churches, libraries, and monasteries, resulting in the loss of all of their records. Rare examples of the extraordinary royal patronage of the Early Solomonic period that survived were preserved in extremely remote, inaccessible monasteries. A long period of chaos followed the Adalite invasion, including subsequent incursions by enterprising groups seeking to fill the power void left by the fall of the Aksumites. In the seventeenth century, the significantly reduced Christian empire established the new capital of Gondar. Until its assault by Tigray in 1769, Gondar was the spiritual, artistic, and political center of the empire and therefore was a site for the principle scriptoria and painters' workshops, as well as architectural innovations.
While earlier Aksumite churches were circular, later constructions deliberately attempted to mimic those of the description of King Solomon's temple in the Old Testament. The churches built in Gondar have a square sanctuary with two aisles running along the periphery. The interiors are entirely covered in both murals and paintings that were commissioned by the wealthy elite in order to assist in their ascension to heaven. This was a period of intense artistic production, including, in particular, considerable quantities of icons devoted to the Virgin Mary.
The Ethiopian royal dynasty remained intact until the overthrow in 1974 of Haile Selassie, the last Christian emperor, by a military coup.
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They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man. Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba - the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho.
Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. Moses was angry with the officers of the army - the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds - who returned from the battle.
"Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
Funny religion that espouses genocide. Or did that come in with the White version?
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The priesthood took care of the gods' and only to a small extent of the people's needs. The physical and social part of the latter was the domain of the 'civil' branch of the administration and its head, the pharaoh. The concept of protector of the people, of - in Seti I's words - the father and mother of all, of the herdsman who looks after his flock, is very old. One of the titles the pharaoh bore was that of the Good Shepherd vigilant for all people, whom the maker thereof has placed under his authority... J.H. Breasted, Ancient Records of Egypt, Part Two, § 900
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He is one who taketh thought, who maketh wise with knowledge...without his like, the good shepherd vigilant for all people...
searching bodies, knowing that which is in the heart, whose fame apprehends the (evil)...
Osiris before death was titled " The Good Shepherd", and Jesus Christ is a shepherd to his followers Both Osiris and Jesus were killed by treachery from close relationships, Seth and Judas respectively Osiris and Jesus both suffered a painful death, with sacrifices that were gloomy, solemn, and mournful The symbol of Osiris was the Djed, which resembles a cruciform form similar to the Cross of Jesus Both Osiris and Jesus Christ were briefly resurrected, Jesus resurrected after three days of his death and Osiris by the magical spell of Isis Osiris' and Jesus resurrections served to provide hope to all that they may do likewise and become eternal. After their respective deaths, both gods became kings in the afterlife, Osiris being the "Lord of the Underworld" and Jesus Christ the "King of Heaven" They both perform the final judgment of the dead, to decide who should join their Kingdoms and be granted eternal life.
But again Mike you do have a strong case that cannot be over-looked.
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Christianity was never about uplifting African spirituality or African identity.
Christianity has borrowed from many older religious/spiritual themes from older cultures. The reason for this is so that people would see similarities to their own religions in it and convert to it or at least identify with something in it once forced to convert. Therefore, the act of taking other spiritual doctrines and theological principles and making it part of Christianity was done intentionally. But at the end of the day it wasn't done for the reason of spreading spirituality it was done to support the rule of Europeans world wide in the places they conquered.
All religions reinforce the power and rule of the elite in the societies that create that religion. Christianity was created by the Romans in order to help bring the disparate populations under one form of religion TO ENHANCE THE RULE OF THE ROMANS. The Western Europeans then tried to usurp the role of the leadership of the Christian church from its location in Constantinople by creating the "Holy(Western) Roman Empire", while the ACTUAL Roman Empire still existed in Constantinople. The Holy Roman Empire was nothing but a bunch of Germanic thugs running through western Europe forcing people to convert with the blessing and support of local Christian bishops. This caused the split between the Eastern and Western Orthodox Church because during the Crusades, western Knights then proceeded to plunder important religious centers of the East. The reason for this was to increase the power and prestige of the Western Germanic rulers who eventually established all the royal lines of Western Europe who all trace themselves back to Germanic families, including the British.
This was never about spirituality it was about power and control. And this too is nothing new either. The reliefs and images of the wars between the Assyrians, Babylonians, Sumerians and others are legendary and reflect the same battles over the "hearts and minds" of the people. Once they conquered or sacked Babylon they would go to the inner temple and either desecrate it or endow their own kings with the power of "the gods" and hence reinforce the rule of the conquerors. Within Islam there were probably more people killed from wars WITHIN Islam than from the Crusades. In fact this is a core reason why Islam was not able to hold Spain, as opposed to any military superiority of the Christian armies of the time. During the Almoravid conquest of Spain, some of the Emirs actually defected to the Christian side and fought against other Muslims and this happened throughout the history of Moorish Spain. Likewise, there was more fighting between Christians than between Christians and Muslims.
By the time that Europe became the new world, Christianity was a well established aspect of imperial authority and rule and the reason why all the expeditions to the West were blessed or sanctioned by the Pope who gave the authority to the Christian monarchs to rule these regions as "knights" of the Holy See or Holy Roman Empire.
Spirituality had nothing to do with any of this. It was the people they conquered who were spiritual, including the Africans and therefore sought spirituality in something that was nothing more than a tool of empire building. But that is the whole point, which is to have the conquered identify with something spiritually, while the conquerors use it to subjugate and maintain and uphold their power and authority. Basically they were/are using spirituality against the people they conquered. But even this wasn't a foreign concept in the Americas as even the MesoAmerican empires fought over the "hearts and minds" of the people in a more literal respect: the actual ritual sacrifices and removal of the hearts of vanquished foes served to reinforce the power and authority of local rulers. Hence the symbolic sacrifice of Christ is nothing more than the sacred sacrifice seen in ancient MesoAmerican cultures, which gives it some "spiritual value" to those who were forced to adopt it.
But at the end of the day, all of these religions reflect the same basic struggle of life and death in the physical world. And this is a universal principle that all cultures acknowledged and symbolized in their cosmological and religious practices as the cyclical and eternal nature of the universe. This principle includes the fundamental fact that in order for something to live something else must die as a sacrifice or necessary part of life itself, which the Christians symbolize as the Christ or the Trinity. Kingship is simply the symbolic office of those responsible for maintaining the wealth and well being of the people from being 'sacrificed' to the dominions and ambitions of other rulers and their principalities. In fact, the symbolic office of Kingship was long identified with the historical development of organized societies around the need for agriculture, herding and animal husbandry as the basis of the well being and prosperity of the society. In this sense the King is the physical manifestation of the "divine" blessing of food and water which is the manna of the gods or the eternal blessing of god's spirit in nature.
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The Kingdom of Makuria (Old Nubian: Ⲙⲁⲕⲟⲩⲣⲓⲁ, Makouria; Arabic: مقرة, al-Muqurra) was a kingdom located in what is today Northern Sudan and Southern Egypt. It was one of a group of Nubian kingdoms that emerged during the decline of the Aksumite Empire, which it had been part of from approximately 4BC to AD 950. Makuria originally covered the area along the Nile River from the Third Cataract to somewhere between the Fifth and Sixth Cataracts. It also had control over the trade routes, mines, and oases to the east and west. Its capital was Dongola (Arabic: Dunqulah), and the kingdom is sometimes known by the name of its capital.
By the end of the 6th century it had converted to Christianity, but in the 7th century Egypt was conquered by the Islamic armies, and Nubia was cut off from the rest of Christendom. In 651 an Arab army invaded, but it was repulsed and a treaty known as the baqt was signed creating a relative peace between the two sides that lasted until the 13th century. Makuria expanded, annexing its northern neighbour Nobatia either at the time of the Arab invasion or during the reign of King Merkurios. The period from roughly 750 to 1150 saw the kingdom stable and prosperous, in what has been called the "Golden Age".[1] Increased aggression from Egypt, and internal discord led to the state's collapse in the 14th century.
Nobatia
Nobatia or Nobadia (Greek: Νοβαδἰα, Nobadia; Old Nubian: Ⲛⲟⲩⲃⲁⲇⲓⲁ, Noubadia) was an ancient African Christian kingdom in Lower Nubia and subsequently a region of the larger Nubian kingdom of Makuria. Its name is often given as al-Maris in Arabic histories.
Nobatia was likely founded by the Nobatae, who had been invited into the region from the Egyptian desert by the Roman Emperor Diocletian to help defeat the Blemmyes in AD 297. Early Nobatia is quite likely the same civilization that is known to archeologists as the Ballana culture. Eventually the Nobatae were successful, and an inscription by Silko, "Basiliskos" of the Nobatae, claims to have driven the Blemmyes into the eastern deserts. Around this time the Nobatian capital was established at Pakhoras, modern Faras; soon after, Nobatia converted to non-Chalcedonian Christianity.
Alodia From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Alodia ← 7th Century–1504 →
Alodia (c. 600 - 1504) is the least known of the Christian Nubian kingdoms. Its northern border was somewhere between the 5th and 6th Cataracts. Its southern border is unknown, but Alodia might have had some authority deep into the Bahr el Ghazal. Capital Soba Language(s) Nubian Religion Christianity, Monophysitism Government Monarchy Historical era Middle Ages - Established 7th Century - Disestablished 1504
Alodia or Alwa was the southernmost of the three kingdoms of Christian Nubia; the other two were Nobatia and Makuria to the north.
Much about this kingdom is still unknown, despite its thousand year existence and considerable power and geographic size. That it was a tributary kingdom to Axum is of little doubt. According to Axumite and later Ethiopian Imperial chronicles the two powers frequently clashed in the region of their borders. It would be odd that neither would record an independent polity or would not go to war with it before proceeding northward, in the case of Axum. It is a much stronger possibility that Alodia refers to a northernmost Kingdom within the Axumite Empire (or a southernmost Kingdom within the Egyptian). The former is more likely since there is ample evidence of its occurrence such as the Kingdoms of Gondar, Begemeder, Wello, Kaffa within the larger Ethiopian Empire while Egypt is more known as one whole nation, not a federated state.
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The point being that Christianity found some of its earliest adherents in the Eastern lands that were once ruled by the Assyrians and Persians, from Armenia to Syria, which is one way that they influenced the development of Christian iconography and style through the early Greek church fathers and the Eastern Roman Empire.
Of course the idea of a sun god is far more ancient than these symbols, but these symbols had direct influence over the development of Christianity along with the older concepts.
And it is this same fusion and blend of eastern cosmologies in Early Christianity that was attacked and usurped by the Germanic knights of the "holy roman Empire" as the basis for the Christian church of Western Europe and the lineages of Kingship there.
quote: The Assyrian Church of the East known officially as the Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East which is presently presided over by H.H. Mar Dinkha IV, is a Christian particular church and one of the oldest. It traces its origins to the See of Seleucia-Ctesiphon in central Mesopotamia, which tradition holds was founded by Saint Thomas the Apostle (Tooma Shlikha) as well as Saint Mari and Saint Addai in 33 A.D. as asserted in the Doctrine of Addai.
It has also been referred to, inaccurately, by a number of other names. These include the Syrian Church, the Persian Church, and the Assyrian Orthodox Church, which has led some to mistakenly believe that it is a body of the Oriental Orthodox community, although some Assyrians do claim Assyrian Orthodoxy. It is one of the three Churches of the East that hold themselves distinct from Oriental and Eastern Orthodoxy. The church itself does not use the word "Orthodox" in any of its service books or in any of its official correspondence, nor does it use any word which can be translated as "correct faith" or "correct doctrine", the rough translation of the word Orthodox. The Holy, Apostolic and Catholic adjectives were officially added to the Assyrian Church of the East's title in part by the general agreement with the Nicene Creed which declares that "We believe in one holy, catholic and apostolic church." Holy as in set apart for a purely sacred purpose. Apostolic as in founded by one of Jesus's own apostles. Catholic as in catholicos, Greek for "universal" referring to a worldwide church. In India, it is more often called the Chaldean Syrian Church. In the West it was previously 'unjustifiably' labelled the Nestorian Church, the church itself considers the term pejorative and intentionally degrading as it never subscribed to Nestorianism. The church declares that no other church has suffered as many martyrdoms as the Assyrian Church of the East.
Note the headdress and compare it to Ashurbanipal at the top.
Like I said, it all goes back to Osiris, the manna of heaven, food and water and the King as symbolic of maintaining the 'balance' in nature responsible for the flourishing agriculture as a symbol of divine provenance. It also symbolizes the fact that the development of complex societies and civilizations grew out of the need to organize around mutual survival based on agriculture and animal husbandry.
Note the crook and flail and how it matches the some current symbols of papal authority.
But don't get it twisted. Divine provenance means right to rule over the land of ones domain with the power and authority of the word as divine power and to use that land as a means for maintaining the peace and prosperity of ones nation or people and securing it from all threats.
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Sassanian and Persian is the same thing. Whites universally have usurped the religions of Black people and inserted images of Whites in the place of the original Black deity.
i.e. Zoroaster the founder of the Persian state religion "Zoroastrianism" was a Persian, thus a Black man. The current people in Iran are neither Persian nor Black, they are Turks.
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quote:[...] a Persian, thus a Black man. The current people in Iran are neither Persian nor Black, they are Turks.
I mean is there a need to implicate someone with Afro-foolishness when you have the above quote? What a big joke. These Afronuts are hijacking everyone's history and they have no shame.
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quote:Originally posted by Afronut Slayer: Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:[...] a Persian, thus a Black man. The current people in Iran are neither Persian nor Black, they are Turks.
I mean is there a need to implicate someone with Afro-foolishness when you have the above quote? What a big joke. These Afronuts are hijacking everyone's history and they have no shame.
Afroidiot, if you have a problem with my assertion then challenge it!!
Say what you believe to be the truth, and support it with something like say, a history of how Turks are NOT the people in Iran.
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Challenge what Afroidiot? By default the onus is on you to prove your unorthodox wild ass claim. We got 40 million persian descendants (Iranian) today who do not look Black. So please, please please, please, explain to these people how they are children of frauds who usurped the "supposed" ancient Black persians.
BTW...Notice how your argument is the same argument Afronuts peddle. Afronuts claim a Black ancestral race were the progenitors of the ancient civilization of EVERY (emphasis on 'every') indigenous people today who happen to not be Black. Don't you find that quite odd? Anyhow I look forward to your afrofoolish response.
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quote:Originally posted by Afronut Slayer: Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:[...] a Persian, thus a Black man. The current people in Iran are neither Persian nor Black, they are Turks.
I mean is there a need to implicate someone with Afro-foolishness when you have the above quote? What a big joke. These Afronuts are hijacking everyone's history and they have no shame.
Afroidiot, if you have a problem with my assertion then challenge it!!
Say what you believe to be the truth, and support it with something like say, a history of how Turks are NOT the people in Iran.
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You Stupid, Stupid, little Boy; Parthia and Persia are NOT the same!!!
Parthia
The borders of Parthia were the Kopet Dag mountain range in the north (today the border between Iran and Turkmenistan) and the Dasht-e-Kavir desert in the south. In the west was Media, in the northwest Hyrcania, in the northeast Margiana, in the southeast Aria. (The road from Media through Parthia to Margiana is the famous Silk Road.) On the other side of the southern desert was Persia proper.
Assyrian texts mention a country named Partakka or Partukka in the seventh century B.C. at an unknown time, its inhabitants were subjugated by the Medes, who ruled until they were subdued by the Persian leader Cyrus the Great in 550 B.C. For the next two centuries, Parthia was part of the Achaemenid Persian Empire.
In 522/521 B.C, after the coup d' état of the Persian king Darius I, Parthia revolted against the Persians, joining the Median rebel king Phraortes. The Persian satrap of Parthia was Hystaspes, the father of the new Persian king Darius; he managed to stand his ground against the Parthian rebels in the city of Vishpauzâtish, where he repelled his enemies on March 8, 521 B.C. After his victory, Parthia was pacified again.
The Parni
In 245 B.C, a satrap named Andragoras, revolted from the young Seleucid king Seleucus II, who had just succeeded to the throne. In the confusion, Parthia was attacked by the Parni, a nomadic tribe from the Central-Asian steppe. By 238 B.C, the Parni occupied the district known as Astavene. Three years later, a Parnian leader named Tiridates ventured further south and seized the rest of Parthia. A counter-offensive by king SeleucusII ended in disaster, and Hyrcania was also subdued by the Parni. Their capital was Hecatompylus.
From now on, the Parni were known as Parthians. In the years that followed, their kings -Arsaces I, Arsaces II, Phriapathus, Phraates I- recognized the Seleucid king as their superiors, but under Mithradates I (171-138 B.C.) they conquered Media, Babylonia, and Elam. Thus creating the Parthian empire, which was to last until 224 A.D, when it was conquered by the Persian Sassanians.
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Mike111, I will let you put your own afrofoot up your ass.
"The Parthian Empire is a fascinating period of Persian history closely connected to Greece and Rome. Ruling from 247 B.C. to A.D. 228 in ancient Persia (Iran)..." (http://www.parthia.com/)
"Iran is home to one of the world's oldest continuous major civilizations, with historical and urban settlements dating back to 4000 BC.[3] The Medes unified Iran as a nation and empire in 625 BC.[4][4] Achaemenid Empire (550–330 BC) was the first of the Iranian empires to rule in Middle east and central Asia. They were succeeded by the Seleucid Empire, Parthians and Sassanids which governed Iran for almost 1,000 years." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_history)
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I would like to get back on track Mike ignore the idiot for a second please..and Doug while this is not Persia,this comparision comes from much earlier but from the same general area Now keep in mind that one of the zootype for Jesus was the fish. Late Roman / Early Byzantine bronze scale-weight. 5th-9th century AD. Beautiful piece with classic early Christian fish and "Beta" inscribed. White inlay still visible in details. 23 mm diameter, weighs 53.1 grams. #690: www.ancientresource.com/lots/byzantine.htmlPosts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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Some more Persian art. Let us see if the Afronut "Mike111" can pull a Negro out of his Afro-Magician hat.
Standing man, 1st–2nd century a.d.; Parthian period, Iran
Aint that something! If I were a Blind as a Afro-bat, I would have sworn those asian curls were a kinked afro.
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You Stupid, Stupid, little Boy; You don't understand any of it, do you?
Out of pity, I will make a simplified example for you.
From about 334 B.C. to about 32 B.C. Greeks ruled Egypt. But that did not make Greeks Egyptians or Egyptians Greeks.
From about 32 B.C. until about 670 A.D. Romans ruled Egypt. But that did not make Romans Egyptians or Egyptians Romans.
This is the one that KILLS you, isn't it?
From about 800 A.D. until now, Turks have ruled Egypt, North Africa, and the Middle East. But that does not make the native people Turks, or Turks the native people.
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What a fudge packing fag*ot Ahole! There is no intellectual integrity with you. You asked for proof but the truth of the matter is as long as you are provided with evidence that refutes a Black element, you will always retort with that lame ass, tired ass, run down ass, worn out excuse. You are a big joke. I won't waste my time with you anymore. Game is over and all can see. You were provided with evidence and yet you could not even challenge it. Instead, you pull the same old Afro-strawman bullish.
YOU LOSE.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: You Stupid, Stupid, little Boy; You don't understand any of it, do you?
Out of pity, I will make a simplified example for you.
From about 334 B.C. to about 32 B.C. Greeks ruled Egypt. But that did not make Greeks Egyptians or Egyptians Greeks.
From about 32 B.C. until about 670 A.D. Romans ruled Egypt. But that did not make Romans Egyptians or Egyptians Romans.
This is the one that KILLS you, isn't it?
From about 800 A.D. until now, Turks have ruled Egypt, North Africa, and the Middle East. But that does not make the native people Turks, or Turks the native people.
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Mike he got his own thread on the subject take this fight over there stop helping him derail this one.
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quote:During the first or Meccan period (610=622) of his prophetship Muhammad and his followers looked upon the Abyssinian Christians as their religious kinsmen. "Yonder," he said to some of his persecuted converts without protectors, and, as he spake, pointing westward: "Yonder lieth a land where none is wronged. Go thither, and remain till the Lord open a way". Dean Stanley noted this connection between the Abyssinian Christians and the first Muslims. He wrote: "Springing out of the same oriental soil and climate, if not from the bosom of the oriental church itself, in part under its influence, in part by reaction, Muhammadanism must be regarded as an eccentric, heretical form of eastern Christianity. This was the ancient mode of regarding Muhammad. He was considered not the founder of a new religion but, rather, one of the chief heresiarchs of the church"
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Well the growing concensus here is that what became Christianity has various roots...from Africa to west Asia..now as to which area has primacy is to be debated...but on a whole if we go back to the earlier Semitic migration out of east Africa then the parallel is to be under-stood that way.
Kush begat Nimrod and he became a mighty one upon the Earth before the lord and the begining of his kingdom is in the land of Sinaar..and he lived in his captial city of Babel.(Babel-Babylon) building the tower of babel ie a Ziggurat Did Nile valley folks brought such technology with them to west Asia and linked it to the local technology already there? as suggested by genesis?
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: I would like to get back on track Mike ignore the idiot for a second please..and Doug while this is not Persia,this comparision comes from much earlier but from the same general area Now keep in mind that one of the zootype for Jesus was the fish. Late Roman / Early Byzantine bronze scale-weight. 5th-9th century AD. Beautiful piece with classic early Christian fish and "Beta" inscribed. White inlay still visible in details. 23 mm diameter, weighs 53.1 grams. #690: www.ancientresource.com/lots/byzantine.html
You and Doug keep trying to connect Christianity with various Pagan cults but the best you will ever come up with is ROMAN CATHOLOSISM which is nothing but a Paganized form of the Church Christ brought. How can Christianity be a European Impearlistic source when the Founders of Christianity were Hebrews?? Also how could the Romans "invent" Christianity as Doug implies when Roman Emperors persecuted the Christians heavily before infiltrating the Church. Now Im not denying that Christianity has African/Asian roots but no where is there a diety that had Pure Virgin Birth and Resurrection prior to Christ. All of the various Virgin/Ressurrection dieties had their stories changed to rival the Christian movement. This is nothing but a New Age attack on Christianity and a preperation for a one world religion. Christianity has nothing to do with some Pagan Mother/Child dieties or Zoraster Pictures becuase No where in the Scriptures is Mary ever worshipped nor are there images of Yashua Moshiach, nor is there any law that allows such practice. The 1st commandment is Do not have any other gods before me.
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, In order for Christians or so called Christians to even fathom loving the father they must keep the Commandments...
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
So that pretty much destroys any Pagan or European Impearlistic connection. The Book of Revelation reveals the Brittish/American powers as the Beast of Revelation and the Papacy as the Whore that sits on many waters..both will be destoyed by Christ.
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Jari-Ankhamun - I know that you don't realize this, but your concept of the Hebrew religions, whether the Black versions or the White versions, and the offshoot of the Hebrew religions - Islam - are all fundamentally the same. They all seem to rely on fear, coercion, and intimidation to gain and retain believers. How is that compatible with the "Supposed" message of Love that these religions also claim?
I mean; "Love and worship me, or I will kill you" would be grounds for legal action in most countries today.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Jari-Ankhamun - I know that you don't realize this, but your concept of the Hebrew religions, whether the Black versions or the White versions, and the offshoot of the Hebrew religions - Islam - are all fundamentally the same. They all seem to rely on fear, coercion, and intimidation to gain and retain believers. How is that compatible with the "Supposed" message of Love that these religions also claim?
I mean; "Love and worship me, or I will kill you" would be grounds for legal action in most countries today.
Like I said the Church Christ brought is not the same as the Christian Church founded by the Roman Cahtolic Papacy or that came out of the Roman Papacy. Christ Church is for the few becuase one must convert by choice not by force. Shedding innocent blood is agaisnt the laws of God and is therfore not Christian. You really don't understand Christianity as by the book to even comment that it is the same as some false, bogus Pagan plagerism of Violence and ignorance like the rapist cult of Islam that preached one can beat their wives etc.
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3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Wow so the first thing Christ warned of was a false Christian Church...
Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
The true Christian church has never been around long and it will go underground soon as you all accept the New Age concepts being preached to you.
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
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This post is comical at best and worrisome at worst. Only an ignorant Afro-fool would think there was some migration out of east Africa to settle the middle east, based on a religious writing (B'resit), which distorts historical fact.
The fact of the matter is "Nimrod" hailed from "Kish" of mesopatamia, which PRE-DATES Kush. The hebrew writers transplanted the history of the mesopatamian Kish and Nimrod on to what they termed "kush" or modern day Aethiopia. What the hebrew writers did was to extend the history of mesopatamia into the continent of Africa. But of course, an Afronut would not know this since he selectively chooses elements of history that suits his purpose.
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Well the growing concensus here is that what became Christianity has various roots...from Africa to west Asia..now as to which area has primacy is to be debated...but on a whole if we go back to the earlier Semitic migration out of east Africa then the parallel is to be under-stood that way.
Kush begat Nimrod and he became a mighty one upon the Earth before the lord and the begining of his kingdom is in the land of Sinaar..and he lived in his captial city of Babel.(Babel-Babylon) building the tower of babel ie a Ziggurat Did Nile valley folks brought such technology with them to west Asia and linked it to the local technology already there? as suggested by genesis?
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Interestingly, I think that we all agree that the Hebrew religions are based on the Mesopotamian and Egyptian religions.
But nowhere in these religions do I remember seeing passages which threaten those who do not believe, simply for not believing.
Since all that we know of the original Hebrew religions, is the books written by Whites after the defeat of these Black people, and the usurpation of their religions.
It may be that this dependence on violence, or the threat of violence, to gain and retain believers, is a uniquely White corruption of the original Black concept of religion.
Which is of course why Whites will never release the "Dead Sea Scrolls". What a crime that those corrupt people (the Pope and the Khazars/Jews) should have those documents in their hands.
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WoW! I am starting to think you have a deep rooted fettish with Black-washing all history. Hebrews were Black people? Never mind their depiction in the seti-i murial. Un-fvcking-believable!
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: books written by Whites after the defeat of these Black people, and the usurpation of their religions.
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The true Christian church has never been around long and it will go underground soon as you all accept the New Age concepts being preached to you.
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