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The “white” civilisation which [Harlem Renaissance writer Claude] McKay accused of being Christian in the 1930s was in fact a mix of Nazi/racist neo-paganism, Communist materialism, social Darwinism, and the last gasp of a dying Protestant ruling class, which had succumbed to hedonism and was in the process of putting itself out of business politically by the widespread practice of contraception.
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Originally posted by Arwa:
About the Protestant ruling class, although Italy was the birthplace of the Banking system (the renaissance) or beginning, remember who propagated; Holland and England. And oddly enough, even today, London is the capital of Banking system.

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Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
The Knights Templars were the ones who started the banking system as we know it

Knights Templar Banking - Usury ( money lending )
The Knights Templar banking activities led to their involvement with Usury. Usury was a form of money lending where an initial charge was made for a loan, or interest was charged on the repayments. The increase of the Knights Templar wealth in turn led to becoming involved in banking which in turn brought even greater wealth into the Knights Templar order. Their financial power due to their banking activities led to great political power in all of the countries in Europe of the Middle Ages
www.middle-ages.org.uk/knights-templar-banking.htm
Their system was as secretive as the Swiss today as a matter of they may have founded the Swiss banks..will look into that further.

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I read it somewhere, that the real reason why slavery business ended was because the banking system did see any profit to continue. Many people neglect to analyse how important the Banking system played in the course of history; in every level of the society.

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British Joint Stock Companies: Gentile institutions

By this time, a number of joint stock companies were operating in the trans-Atlantic trade, including the British East Indians Company (chartered by Elizabeth in 1600), the Company of Adventurers of London (established in 1618), the Royal African Company (chartered in 1660) and the South Sea Company (established in 1711)

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During the first three-quarters of the century we could do so without difficulty by a natural expansion of commerce with continental nations and our colonies, all of which were far behind us in the main arts of manufacture and the carrying trades. So long as England held a virtual monopoly of the world markets for certain important classes of manufactured goods, Imperialism was unnecessary. During the last thirty years this manufacturing and trading supremacy has been greatly impaired: other nations, especially Germany, the United States, and Belgium, have advanced with great rapidity, and while they have not crushed or even stayed the increase of our external trade, their competition is making it more and more difficult to dispose of the full surplus of our manufactures at a profit. The encroachments made by these nations upon our old markets, even in our own possessions, make it most urgent that we should take energetic means to secure new markets. These new markets must lie in hitherto undeveloped countries, chiefly in the tropics, where vast populations live capable of growing economic needs which our manufacturers and merchants can supply. Our rivals are seizing and annexing territories for similar purposes, and when they have annexed them close them to our trade.

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"Then the European and American commerce to Africa has been almost a secret monopoly in a very few hands. The greatest pains have been taken to keep everything quiet, and though some of the houses traded on a great scale, and employed quite a fleet of merchant vessels, the extent of their business was known to none but themselves, and was not fully realized by any but the most observant of their neighbors at Zanzibar."

We commend to the consideration of our merchants the strange facts brought to light in these investigations. A single Indian house, we are told, employs a capital of half a million sterling in advances to slaveowners and slave-dealers, mainly in Zanzibar alone ! No less than £140,000 is lent to European and American firms, Indians being the creditors, and the great commercial peoples of Europe and the new world the debtors. Nothing gives us so startling an idea of the gigantic proportions and the strange ramifications of this horrible trade as these monetary transactions. Well may Sir Bartle Frere say, " I know nothing like it in the history of commerce ;" and well may the British Indians take the greatest pains to conceal their transactions in " black pepper and " soiled ivory."

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Some writers have depicted the slave trails reaching right across the continent, plunging their merciless thrust into the most remote corners of the far interior. This certainly happened during the brief and bloody Arab slave trade from Zanzibar in the nineteenth century. Even in earlier times it was now and then the case, captives from inland countries being handled from one set of traders to the next until they were finally delivered to Europeans at the coast. ‘They sold us for money’, recalls the narrative of a West African ex-slave who wrote his memoirs in 1831, ‘and I myself was sold six times over, sometimes for money, sometimes for a gun, sometimes for cloth… It was about half a year from the time I was taken before I saw white people.’

Another memoir tells how a French slaving captain purchased at Cabinda, near the mouth of the Congo river, ‘an African woman who seemed to him pretty familiar with Whites, or at least showed no surprise or fear at sight of them. Struck by this unusual confidence, the slaver asked her the cause of it. She replied that she had already seen White men in another land where the sun rose out of the water instead of hiding itself in the sea, as it does in the Congo. Pointing to the east, she added the words monizi monamu – many moons – on the way.’ This story, adds the writer, appears to confirm what the seventeenth-century Dutch geographer, Olfert Dapper, had said about the slaves of Mozambique being sold in the Congo.

There is nothing improbable about Africans having repeatedly and even regularly traversed the continent from one ocean to the other. From experience at the end of the seventeenth century, the trader James Barbot had already observed that peoples in Angola extended their trade as far eastward as the frontiers of the kingdoms of Mombasa, Kilwa and Sofala, all of which are on the east African coast. Slaves were brought to the Angolan coast, he noted, from ‘150 or 200 leagues up the country’.

‘All that vast number of slaves which the Calabar blacks sell to all European nations’, James uncle, John Barbot, was writing a little earlier of the Niger delta trade, ‘are not their prisoners of war, the greatest part being bought by those people of their inland neighbors, and they also buy them of other nations yet more remote from there.’

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Originally posted by markellion:
"Jews and the American slave trade" By Saul S. Friedma

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^ Its not like Jews did do it all in their own; everyone was involved, of course they were the dominant element. That's just the facts; its only an insult to Jews like Friedman or Judeophiles.

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Again look at the Indian merchants. Did they manage to gain all this control over trade by themselves or were they being used to unload British merchandise?

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Originally posted by Bob_01:
That is, Jews, who were educated and worked in Al-Andalus

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The Negro is a born trader. Lenz says, our sharpest European merchants, even Jews and Armenians, can learn much of the cunning and trade of the Negroes. We know that the trade between Central Africa and Egypt was in the hands of Negroes for thousands of years, and in early days the cities of the Sudan and North Africa grew rich through Negro trade.

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Among the adventurers in this trade, the British possess, at present, the greatest share. It was during the government of the commonwealth, that Negroes were carried, in any numbers, to the British West Indies, and then, chiefly to Barbadoes: a few indeed were brought to Virginia, by a Dutch ship, as early as 1620;but it was the Royal African Company, that first carried on, from England, a vigorous commerce to Africa, during the reign of Charles II. We may form an opinion of the magnitude of it, in its most flourishing state, prior to the revolution in 1688, by considering that the company employed thirty ships annually, which delivered about five thousand Negroes in the West Indies. The increase of it to its present state, may be attributed to the enterprizing spirit of the merchants; to the superior address of those employed in the executive part of it; to the opulence of the manufacturers, which enables them to extend a credit to the former, beyond what can be had in any other country; and to the annual grants of parliament, for the maintenance of several forts, and factories in Africa. From these concurring circumstances, the British

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The adventurers in this trade, who have seen for near a century past, the Society for propagating Christianity, composed of the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Bishop of London, and many pious doctors of the established church, deriving, as masters, a yearly income from the labor of their Negroe slaves in the West Indies, which is appropriated to the increase of Christianity in the world, could not consider it as contrary to the spirit of the Scriptures, or to the principles of morality: nor could the adventurers regard this traffic as inconsistent with the natural rights of mankind, when they read in the statute of 9 and 10 of King William (which was made avowedly for extending the trade to Africa), "That this trade was highly beneficial to this kingdom;" a declaration of a king, who was the patron of liberty, and of a parliament that had vindicated the natural rights of mankind; and when they read also in the stat. of 23 Geo. II. "That the trade to Africa is very advantageous to Great Britain, and necessary to the plantations," Which act was made by a whig king, and a whig parliament; who, when they dissolved the late African Company, granted a large sum of money as a compensation for their rights, in order that a trade thus necessary and advantageous, might be carried on with greater energy and success.

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These wars are directly and instrumentally the acts of the slave-merchants of Whydah and its neighbouring parts; but have they no higher parties on whom to lay the blame of their actions? are these, the agents of larger houses, the instruments in the hands of parties who have other means of disposing of their goods, to bear the whole blame? Truth is strange but a truth it is, that the slave trade is carried on in Dahomey and the neighbouring kingdoms with British merchandize, and, at Porto Novo, the residence of the monarch of slave dealers, by British shipping direct. I do not mean to say that if British goods were not obtainable, the traffic would cease to exist; but the taste for British goods runs high, and if these could not be purchased with slaves, palm-oil would be manufactured to obtain them.

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The amazons now advanced in the same order, and having saluted the king he joined them, and again performed a war dance. They also sang in praise of the liberality of the slave-dealer, who gave them muskets and powder to make war upon innocent neighbors; to enrich himself by supplying the market with slaves. These are the evils to uproot: and yet this very man is directly trading with, and receives these muskets and this powder from, British agents in British shipping.

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"The South, Slavery and Free Trade

That precisely this had occurred in the better part of the South, was obvious to those "American System" Whigs, allied with Carey, who fought for an alternative policy during the 1840's and 50's. The southern economy had become almost exclusively a slave based, cash crop agricultural one, totally dependant on British markets, and totally indebted to British or British allied finance. As a result, close to between 80 to 90% of all land in the slave states was owned by the approximately 2 to 3% of the population who were slaveholders; three hundred and fifty thousand slaveholders in a population of 11 million. Of these no more than one hundred thousand owed two-thirds of all the land and 90% of all the enslaved black population of 4 million. The bulk of the remaining white population were either landless or struggled to etch out an existence on small farms generally located in the regions poorest agricultural area's. What little industry that existed was rudimentary and primitive in character. The southern economy was totally dependant on outside markets for the sale of its two major export commodities, raw, unfinished cotton and to a lesser degree rice; it was similarly totally dependant on outside markets for the bulk of its foodstuffs, almost all consumer goods, and virtually all capital goods. Almost no other of the extensive mineral and natural resources in these southern states were developed or harnessed. As Thaddeus Stevens, a close ally of Henry Carey, would argue in 1850, comparing Virginia, as an example of the all the southern states, the disparities between north and south were striking....

Along with the development of an industrial economy, agriculture in the northern states had become significantly more productive. The reasons can be seen in the fact that investments in both agricultural and manufacturing were vastly greater in the northern free states than in the slave labor economy of the south; both the value of farm machinery and implements per acre and per farm laborer in the south were approximately one half that in the north. A more telling figure is the percentage of capital invested in manufacturing; in 1860 over 84% of the U.S. total was invested in the north, with a mere 16% in the south; the per capita dollar figure in the north was four times that in the south despite the North's greater population.

As this brutally primitive style of agriculture depleted the soil, for southern capital was tied up in land and slaves, and therefore barred any investment in improvements in cultivation, diversification, or new technologies, the surge for yet new and untapped land in the deep south, the so-called "black belt" states of Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana and Texas, along with the demand for even greater numbers of slave laborers, turned the older planter states like Virginia into slave breeders. By the mid 1850's slaves were Virginia's primary export, and the supply of such slave laborers for deep south plantations became the major economic activity of the old south.

While cotton, and rice were still produced in the states of the old south, they generated such low yields, that they no longer were economically viable without massive increases in labor intensity. With little or no investment in any other form of economic activity, by 1860 these areas of the old south were themselves enslaved to a slave based economy, with their productive capacity at feudal levels, and the indebtedness to British "factors" reaching astronomical proportions. Virginia, for example, was so exhausted economically, that while the rest of the south renewed the call for reopening the African slave trade, Virginia consistently opposed such a measure, for an alternative supply of cheap slave labor to the rest of the south would have bankrupted her. In South Carolina, the oldest of the cotton states, agricultural yields per laborer had dropped to levels that were staggering, producing a black slave population that was 125,000 or 20% greater than that of whites; and this despite the export of slave laborers to the deep south.

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I have been saying for months that Brittan was the dominate one don't accuse me of shielding the Jews

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In order still better to illustrate the trade of Brazil, we take leave to subjoin the following details from Mr. Caldelugh’s Travels in South America. They are neither, however, so recent, nor of such authority, as those already laid before the reader:- “The colonial system, which was strictly preserved until the arrival of the court, kept the country in a state of ignorance of many of those beautiful articles of English manufacture, now so greedily purchased by all. The Brazil trade may be considered as entirely in the hands of the British, as if an exclusive monopoly existed in their favor. Brazil takes from us every thing she requires, excepting wine from Portugal; and the importance this trade to England may be well conceived, when it is mentioned that, after the East and West Indies and the United States, it forms the greatest mart for our fabrics, and one that is most rapidly increasing.

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The following excerpt is the first two paragraphs from an entry in the Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 15, pp. 487-88 under the heading, SUGAR INDUSTRY AND TRADE:

From the beginning of the 17th century Hamburg played a growing role in the European sugar trade--to a considerable extent thanks to the activities of the Marranos who had settled there. Early in the 18th century Portuguese Jews lost their leading position in the sugar trade, in Hamburg because of the growth of competition, and in Brazil because of persecutions of the Marranos and the general decline of the trade in that country. In the first half of the 18th century, London gradually ousted Amsterdam as the center of the sugar trade; at the same time the role of the Jews became less important.

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The slave trade to Brazil as seen from the quote from Forbes and the bellow and you still think JEWS could manage this?

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Lee M. Friedman, a one-time president of the American Jewish Historical Society, wrote that in Brazil, where most of the Africans actually went, "the bulk of the slave trade was in the hands of Jewish settlers."

Jewish scholar Arnold Wiznitzer, "Besides their important position in the sugar industry and in tax farming, they dominated the slave trade. From 1636 to 1645 a total of 23,163 Negro slaves arrived from Africa and were sold for 6,714,423 florins. The West India Company, which monopolized imports of slaves from Africa, sold slaves at public auctions against cash payment. It happened that cash was mostly in the hands of Jews. The buyers who appeared at the auctions were almost always Jews, and because of this lack of competitors they could buy slaves at low prices. On the other hand, there also was no competition in the selling of the slaves to the plantation owners and other buyers, and most of them purchased on credit payable at the next harvest in sugar. Profits up to 300 percent of the purchase value were often realized with high interest rates....If it happened that the date of such an auction fell on a Jewish holiday the auction had to be postponed. This occurred on Friday, October 21, 1644." link

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An example is Eli Faber’s book Setting the Record Straight, which deals almost exclusively with the involvement of British Jews in the slave trade. Available documentation shows that British Jews were minimally involved in the trade, though their Portuguese and Dutch brethren were ears deep in the despicable commerce.

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Owing to the unsatisfactory condition of the public finances under the Stuarts, there was no opening for a public bank such as existed in Amsterdam and other European centres of industry. But the Revolution of 1688 saw the control of the national expenditure pass from the Crown to Parliament. The national credit became, for the first time, an important factor in our economic development, and showed itself in the growth of a national debt. The use of credit spread rapidly and this led to the development of modern banking. To the efforts of William Paterson was due the establishment in 1694 of the Bank of England, founded under the wing of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Charles Montague, with the object of lending the whole of its capital, £1,200.000, to the state.

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Were Jews "disproportionately” involved in slavery?

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The British government in India is said to have begun pressuring sultan Said to conclude an agreement limiting his involvement in the East African slave trade as early as 1812, though the first agreement signed between the two was not completed until 1822 when the Moresby Treaty committed the Sultan to refrain from participating in “’all external traffic in slaves’ and in particular the sale of slaves to any Christians.” As a result of continued traffic in slaves from the island to the British and other territories in the north, the Hammerton Treaty was concluded in 1845, which agreed to end altogether the transport of slaves via the waters routes to any power – Arab, Indian or European – by the Sultan or his subjects. However, enforcement of the treaty again proved difficult for the British and the transport of slaves between the territories continued unbroken.

Page 60 One sailor said that the “sultan was”

“never was a man so falsely represented or so little understood as this petty Prince. In England we hear of his munificence, his power… whereas he is merely upheld in the shadow of authority by the countenance of the English.”

Page electronic pages 61 and 62 on the Indians

A pamphlet on England’s policy in East African contends that the Indian population has “silently taken possession of almost the entire trade on the East Coast of Africa” and “had made their influence felt, and in no case more successfully than in blinding people to the fact of their participation in the slave trade”

One source going as far as to suggest that “if the natives of India who were connected with the slave trade (and they were the dregs of Indian society) ceased to have anything to do with it, slavery would soon come to an end.”

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Do you believe that Indians had control of the East African slave trade and were not the agents of higher powers?

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In the first half of the 18th century, London gradually ousted Amsterdam as the center of the sugar trade; at the same time the role of the Jews became less important.

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It is clear as the sun at noonday that all this is the direct fruit of the employment of British capital in the felonious trade;

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Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
By the 19th century slavery was on wane [at least in Britain's empire]

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Abolition was for the sake of raising prices on slaves (which encouraged more slave trading) and gaining more control over it

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During our century Muslim or pagan powers arose in Ashanti, Dahome, Kazembe, Lunda, Muata=Yanvo, Sahara, Senegambia, Sudan, Tabililand, Uganda, Upper Zambezia, Zanguebar and Zululand. These aided the development of Africa, influenced its relations with Europe and participated in preparing it for missions. Of the thirteen native states only three were not Negro powers, only four were not pagan. These (omitting the Mahdists) were the Arabs of Senusi and from Zanzibar and the Fulah of Senegambia and West Sudan. The Fulah and the Zanzibari have become quite Nigritic, and the ruling native race of Central and East Sudan belongs to the Negro. The black man instead of the Arab and the Berber has enabled Europe, seconded by America, to open Africa*....

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•Speke, 1855, said: "The freed Negro contributed more than any one else to open Africa '. It is a source of regret to the present writer that the Procrustean lack of space prevents him from doing justice to the brawn and faithfulness of the Africans who in exploring and other enterprises have enabled brave and brainy white men to develop Africa. He hopes that some American Negro will work out this thesis.

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The slave trade was continuing through the 19th century

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and for once while the slave trade was important in the developement of White civilization there are other aspects that Arwa wanted to touch upon.

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But the Revolution of 1688 saw the control of the national expenditure pass from the Crown to Parliament. The national credit became, for the first time, an important factor in our economic development, and showed itself in the growth of a national debt. The use of credit spread rapidly and this led to the development of modern banking.

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