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Mike111
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Black European Nobility - How it's Hidden, Lets take a look.


There are many European families with Blacks or as Whites like to say, Blackamoors, on the top of their family crests.

Now of course, a logical person would surmise that a head at the "TOP" this means that the founder of the family name was a Black man.

But NOOO! Whites invariably say (check any Heraldry site) That the presence of that Black mans head means Quote:

Head (Human) means Honour; if the head of a "blackamoor" or Moor, refers to deeds of prowess in the Crusades.




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But there is just one thing wrong with that explanation:

Those of us who know history, know that at that time, the Turkish Mamluks had already overthrown the Arabs.

SO WE KNOW THAT THE CRUSADES WERE NOT ABOUT EUROPEANS FIGHTING ARABS OR BLACKS, THE CRUSADES WERE ABOUT EUROPEANS FIGHTING TURKS!!!!!!


Look Ma, no Black people!!!!

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I have here above, just exposed another White Mans lie.

But being the fastidious type, I will now back it up with some academic history.



The Crusades – Boise State University

The Crusade of 1101 A.D.

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The Lombards March
The Lombards left from Milan on 13 September 1100. They crossed through Carinthia and into Hungary, spending the winter in Bulgaria. They had already heard about the "treacherous Greeks" and relations with the Byzantines were sour from the beginning. They quarreled with the locals all along the route and when they finally arrived at Constantinople, Emperor Alexius, by now quite fed up with rag-tag Latin armies, refused to allow them to enter the city.

The Lombards cooled their heels for two months outside the city while their leaders negotiated for supplies and for transport across the Bosporus. They were such violent and demanding guests that Alexius finally ferried them over to get them out of his hair (21 April 1101). The Lombards waited at Nicomedia, having been advised they should not set out into Asia Minor without additional troops.

In the meantime, the crusaders learned of a great calamity that had befallen Outremer: the great Prince of Antioch, Bohemond, had been captured by the Turks. Moreover, it was learned, he was being held in Khorassan (in Pontus). The Lombards naturally felt specially called to rescue their countryman. Before they set out, they were joined by the Burgundians, northern Frenchmen under Stephen of Blois, and a small group of Provençals under Raymond of Toulouse (being nursed to health after a serious illness by the Emperor's own doctor).

The French urged the Lombards to wait, but they could not prevail. Rather than see them go unaided, the French agreed to accompany them. It did not help that St. Gilles was urging caution, for the Lombards were convinced that he was the Emperor's lackey and that the Emperor would like nothing better than to let Bohemond languish in a Turkish prison.

The Turks,
for their part, had managed to put aside their differences to meet this new invasion. They had learned their lesson from the previous disasters and were determined that the Christians should not get through. Kilij Arslan, who had personal grievances with the Franks, led the united tribes. The Lombards set out in June, and from Chankiri onward the Turks harassed them unmercifully. No one really knew where Bohemond was being held, and their guides proved somewhat unreliable (or so the Christian sources report), and the crusade wandered a bit though it headed generally eastward.

The Turks brought the crusaders to ground near the mountains of Paphlagonia at Mersivan. The terrain was well-suited to the Turks — dry and infertile, with plenty of open space for their horses. They had been harassing the Latins for some days, making sure they went where Kilij Arslan wanted them to go and making sure, too, that they did not find too many supplies.

The battle was spread out over several days. On the first, the Turks cut off the crusader advance and surrounded them. The next day, Duke Conrad led his Germans in a sortie that failed doubly. Not only did they fail to open the Turkish lines, they were unable to return to the main crusader army and had to take refuge in a nearby stronghold.

No serious fighting took place on the third day. Then, on the fourth, the crusaders made a concerted effort to break free of the trap. The crusaders fought fiercely, inflicting heavy losses on the Turks, but the attack ultimately failed. Kilij Arslan had been joined by Ridwan of Aleppo, Malik-Ghazi of Sebastia, and Karaja of Harran, all powerful Danishmend princes. The Latins were hopelessly outnumbered.

That night, the noble leaders of the crusade decided to abandon the fight and the army. They slipped away under cover of night in small bands, heading for the mountains. The Turks pursued as many as they could, and cut down those they caught. The next morning, the fifth day of the battle, the Turks assaulted the Christian camp. With the bulk of the knights gone, the army was helpless. Many were slaughtered, the rest were enslaved. Those who managed to escape were hunted down in the hills, though some few did manage to get away.


Saladin, was a Kurdish Muslim, who became the first Ayyubid Sultan of Egypt and Syria. He led Islamic opposition to the Franks and other European Crusaders in the Levant. At the height of his power, he ruled over Egypt, Syria, Mesopotamia, Hejaz, and Yemen.

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Then of course, we have the "Kindly Whites" who feel Sooo bad that the poor Negros are being shut out of history.

So they come up with Gems like this:



On the image of the Blackamoor in European Heraldry

(a preliminary proposal for an iconographical study)

by
Mario de Valdes y Cocom


Modern specialists in the science of heraldry suspect, however, that this blazon (coat of arms) of the blackamoor is instead the very opposite of a negative symbol. In the last decade or two it has been pointed out that the moor's head quite possibly could have referred to St. Maurice, the black patron saint of the Holy Roman Empire from the beginning of the 10th century.

Ya, Right - like every one of those families were Catholics.

Sorry Mario, Black people don't want your Bullsh1t either - Black people WANT THE TRUTH!

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The Blacks in the family crests above are wearing "Fillets". Lets see what a Fillet means.

A COMPLETE GUIDE TO HERALDRY
by Arthur Charles Fox-Davies.
(1871-1928)
FIRST PUBLISHED in 1909


CHAPTER XXII
CROWNS AND CORONETS


THE origin of the crown or coronet is, of course, to be met with in the diadem and fillet. In one of the Cantor Lectures delivered by Mr. Cyril Davenport, F.S.A., in February 1902, on "The History of Personal Jewellery from Prehistoric Times," he devoted considerable attention to the development of the diadem, and the following extracts are from the printed report of his lecture:--

"The bandeau or fillet tied round the head was probably first used to keep long hair from getting into the eyes of primitive man. Presently it became specialised, priests wearing one pattern and fighting men another.

"The soft band which can be seen figured on the heads of kings in early coins, is no doubt a mark of chieftainship. This use of a band, of special colour, to indicate authority, probably originated in the East. It was adopted by Alexander the Great, who also used the diadem of the King of Persia. Justinian says that Alexander's predecessors did not wear any diadem. Justinian also tells us that the diadems then worn were of some soft material.

Example of a Fillet

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The Moor in Western art (1500-1789) simply symbolises Blue blood.


The true blue bloods could be recognised by their more or less Black looks. The ones with Classical African features showed purity of blackness.

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Even some of our best minds and greatest leaders could not help but be hoodwinked by the constant barrage, since birth, of the White mans Lies and Bullsh1t.

One such man was Malcolm X, born Malcolm Little. Malcolm is famous for saying that he changed his name to "X" because he didn't want to be known by the White Mans "Slave Name".

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The problem is that unless Malcolm did a "deep family investigation" he had no way of knowing if his name "Little" was actually a Slave name or not.

That is because he fell for the White mans Lies and Bullsh1t. He did as he was programed to do, He ASSUMED that because he was Black, his family started off as Slaves in the Americas.

But that is not true, there were millions of Blacks in the Americas when the White man arrived. Additionally, untold numbers of European Blacks came to the Americas to make a new life, just like everyone else. Many were Slave owners, and others BECAME Slave owners.

One such European Negro was Anthony Johnson, who after his period of indentured servitude, applied for, and got land, just like everyone else. And just like everyone else, he bought a servant to help him work his land.

But after his servant, John Casur's time of servitude was up (usually ten years), Anthony Johnson refused to free him. So John Casur sued Anthony and Mary Johnson in 1653, to be released from his bondage saying that he had served the required time, but that they would not release him.

The Johnson's counterclaimed that they had purchased him as a slave for life. The court agreed with the Johnson's, making John Casur the first of the several hundred blacks in the colony at the time that we know of, to be held as property for life, other than as a punishment for crimes.

The above story was just to make the point that Black and Slavery, was not always synonymous in the Americas, that is a White Mans invention.

But even if Malcolm's family did begin in the Americas as slaves, that still does not mean that his name "Little" was a White mans name.

The White man has devoted much time and effort to creating the lie that Europe was his original home. And as has been proven over and over again, that is a Lie!

The Black Man was the original settler of Europe, and the founder of European civilizations. To any who would dispute this, I offer this simple challenge. Produce a White mans skeleton from Europe earlier than 1,200 B.C. That will never happen, because there is no such thing. Whereas I can readily produce Black skeletons from earlier than 12,000 B.C.

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But getting back to Malcolm's assumption that "Little" was a White mans name: maybe it was, and maybe it wasn't.

But the fact that the "Little's" family crest is of a Leopard, a cat known only in Africa and South Asia, I would say that the "Little's" were a Black family.

All of the Family Crests that follow, are from:

Royal book of crests of Great Britain and Ireland, Dominion of Canada, India and Australasia : derived from best authorities and family records (1883) by James Fairbairn. Publisher: London : James Macveigh

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Being mindful of the White Mans sordid habit of Lying about everything relating to race. And remembering the White lying SOB who said that the Freising King was a Slave.

I will start the Family crests presentation with White Family crests. This to establish that the family crest depicts an eponymous leader, ruler, or other important person. Or some virtue, attribute or occurrence, which was consider emblematic of the family.

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When the Crests depicts a defeated enemy, that is very clearly shown.

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Above: My guess is that having a White Mans head on your Spear, means that it is the Crest of a Black Family.



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For those wondering about their own family name:

"EVENTUALLY" all the "Obvious" Black families will be posted. But as in the case with Malcolm's family name crest, when other than a Human face is the Crest, there is really no way to know.

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There should be no doubt to anyone, that these Family Crests represent old Britain's Black Elite, it's most noble, wealthy and powerful families. Peasants and commoners did not have family Crests and Coats of Arms. Though there is disagreement as to which came first - the Crest or the Arms, but it seems likely that the crest came first, as a family or Clan ensign.


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It should also be pointed out that neither the crests in Fairbairns, and certainly not the crests in modern creations of the Coat of Arms, is a reliable depiction of what the people actually looked like - except for the fact that they were Black people.

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Now that Black researchers are uncovering and publishing facts about ancient Black Britain's like above. It has caused White scientists and academics, to backtrack a bit. They now say things like This: (Discussing the Ivory Bangle Lady).


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"Up until now we have had to rely on evidence of such foreigners in Roman Britain from inscriptions.

'However, by analysing the facial features of the Ivory Bangle Lady and measuring her skull, analysing the chemical signature of the food and drink she consumed, and analysing evidence from the burial site we are now able to establish a clear profile of her ancestry and social status.

'We're looking at a population mix which is much closer to contemporary Britain than previous historians had suspected.

'In the case of York, the Roman population may have had more diverse origins than the city has now.

'This skull is particularly interesting, because the stone sarcophagus she was buried in, and the richness of the grave goods, means she was a very wealthy woman, absolutely from the top end of York society.

'Her case contradicts assumptions that may derive from more recent historical experience, namely that immigrants are low status and male, and that African individuals are likely to have been slaves.

The research used modern forensic ancestry assessment to show it was likely she was of North African descent and may have migrated to York from somewhere warmer.


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But notice the lies they tell as they backtrack.

"Quote: foreigners in Roman Britain"

Here they lay the groundwork for the lie that these Black people were NOT native Britain's.

Quote:'We're looking at a population mix which is much closer to contemporary Britain than previous historians had suspected.

Liar, liar, pants on fire, Hahahahaha!
Damn, white people are degenerate liars.
Since Black people taught them how to read and write, Britons have been the Worlds most prolific writers - these fuchers write about the color of their Pooh!

Yet we are to believe that ancient writers, many of whom were undoubtedly Black, somehow neglected to mention that the original population, and many of the later populations, including the Nobility and gentry were Black!


Quote: The research used modern forensic ancestry assessment to show it was likely she was of North African descent and may have migrated to York from somewhere warmer.

And this is the kicker - White SCIENCE proves that she was a foreigner. Now if only they would explain how a migrant foreigner wound up as ROYALTY!

That's the trouble with these sick bastards, they don't even TRY to make sense!

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Mike you are forgetting Septemus Servus and Pescennius Niger pictured below is Niger
a competitor of fellow African, Septemus Servus vying for the position of emporer of Rome.
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That would explain powerful upper class Roman Blacks in Europe including the British Isle Septemus in person went on to complete and expand Hadrians wall and stationing African troops at the boarder with Scotsland however that would not ruled out pre Roman Blacks as pointed by David Mc Ritchie Ancient and modern Britions In the process we meet with descriptions of ancient Britons by Claudius, Pliny, Tacitus and others describing the latter as ' Nimble-footed Blackamoors', 'Ethiopians', 'Cum Nigris Gentibus', 'Niger', 'Black.

The presence of one group Blacks does not rule out the presence of African Blacks of Roman upper class citizenry on the European continent.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:

The presence of one group Blacks does not rule out the presence of African Blacks of Roman upper class citizenry on the European continent.

The Blacks that should interest us are the native European Blacks, who became a noble elite around 1100-1200. Perhaps their leadership was sagging? Perhaps they were enforced with knowledge from the east, saved from the Greeks? Perhaps the fleeing crusaders brought back eastern Christianity which forbade Christians to make and worship idols? Who knows?
As you know, I do not subscribe to the unproven notion that whites and blacks have been forever at each others throat. Racism, as we know it today, began in 1760 leading to the French Revolution (1789-1795). In the US it started in 1691 with the colour line.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Mike you are forgetting Septemus Servus and Pescennius Niger pictured below is Niger
a competitor of fellow African, Septemus Servus vying for the position of emporer of Rome.

That would explain powerful upper class Roman Blacks in Europe including the British Isle Septemus in person went on to complete and expand Hadrians wall and stationing African troops at the boarder with Scotsland however that would not ruled out pre Roman Blacks as pointed by David Mc Ritchie Ancient and modern Britions In the process we meet with descriptions of ancient Britons by Claudius, Pliny, Tacitus and others describing the latter as ' Nimble-footed Blackamoors', 'Ethiopians', 'Cum Nigris Gentibus', 'Niger', 'Black.

The presence of one group Blacks does not rule out the presence of African Blacks of Roman upper class citizenry on the European continent.

Brada-Anansi - I have been unable to find anything to substantiate what you said about Romans bring in Africans and giving them land and titles - can you offer a source to substantiate?

Actually, what I have found is quite the contrary. With the exception of Amo, these are all OLD original Black Families.


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Andros

The ancient Pictish-Scottish name andros comes from the baptismal name Andrew which in Greek means manly. The name was popular as both a personal name and a surname, likely because it was the name of Scotland's patron saint. In Gaelic the name is Aindrea and Anndra which again means manly. Scribes in the Middle Ages did not have access to a set of spelling rules. They spelled according to sound, the result was a great number of spelling variations. In various documents, andros has been spelled Andrew, Andrews, MacAndrew, Androw, Androe, Andro and many more. First found in Caithness. This family was strongly associated with the Clan Ross. It was originally known as the Clan Siol Andrea, meaning the race of Andrew. However, from about the year 1100 the Andrews moved south to the Dumfriesshire area of southwest Scotland. Duncan Andrew, Chief of the clan, rendered homage to King Edward I of England in 1296.


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Ashford

The proud ashford family originated in Cornwall, a rugged coastal region in southwestern England. In early times, people were known by only a single name. However, as the population grew and people travelled further afield, it became increasingly necessary to assume an additional name to differentiate between bearers of the same personal name. The manner in which hereditary surnames arose is interesting. Local surnames are derived from where the original bearer lived, was born, or held land. The ashford family originally lived at Ayshford, in Cornwall. The ashford surname was also derived from the Old English words aesc and ford which meant a ford where ash trees grew. Cornish surnames are characterized by a multitude of spelling variations. The frequent changes in surnames are due to the fact that the Old and Middle English languages lacked definite spelling rules. The official court languages, which were Latin and French, were also influential on the spelling of a surname. Since the spelling of surnames was rarely consistent in medieval times, and scribes and church officials recorded names as they sounded rather than adhering to any specific spelling rules, it was common to find the same individual referred to with different spellings of their surname in the ancient chronicles. Moreover, a large number of foreign names were brought into England, which accelerated and accentuated the alterations to the spelling of various surnames. Lastly, spelling variations often resulted from the linguistic differences between the people of Cornwall and the rest of England. The Cornish spoke a unique Brythonic Celtic language which was first recorded in written documents during the 10th century. However, they became increasingly Anglicized, and Cornish became extinct as a spoken language in 1777, although it has been revived by Cornish patriots in the modern era. The name has been spelled Aishford, Ashford, Ayshford, Aysford, Asford, Asseford and many more. First found in Ayshford, in the county of Cornwall, and in the County of Devon, from earliest times, and in later years a branch of the family migrated eastward to Kent. There are at least two references to the name in the Domesday Book: Aisseford and Aiseforda. Both were listed in Devon.


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Morfyn

Spelling variations of this family name include: Morfin, Morffin, Morfee, Maufee, Morfyn, Murfyn and others. First found in Essex where they held a family seat as Lords of the Manor. The Saxon influence of English history diminished after the Battle of Hastings in 1066. The language of the courts was French for the next three centuries and the Norman ambience prevailed. But Saxon surnames survived and the family name was first referenced in the 13th century when they held lands.


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Amo

Spelling variations of this family name include: Amor, Amores, Amorim, Amo and others. First found in Castile, in north central Spain.
Some of the first settlers of this family name or some of its variants were: Early migrants to the New World bearing this surname include: Juan De Amor, who arrived in Florida in 1538; Lorenzo de Amor, who arrived in Peru in 1594.


My source.

http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp/sId.6E3EB9B9-28B6-4518-949F-CFEB2B194C4F/qx/default.htm

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Elsewhere in Europe as in "Britain" Black soldiers were actively recruited by Rome and served tours of duty in Britain,France,Switzerland,Poland,Romania,Hungary,Austria..etc.

An original brass military diploma which dates from the middle of the second century A.D mentions Moorish soldiers in Moesia,which is modern Serbia.Another military diploma A.D 158 speakes of Moorish soldiers from Africa in Dacia, or modern Romania,and also of auxiliary troops of the Dacian Moors. A Roman document,Notitia Dignitatum,which dates from the beginning of the fifth century A.D; mentions several Moorish battalions in the Balkans and Moorish military colony Ad Mauros which was located on the Inn river near Vienna; and in what is modern Beseribia,there was a city called Maurocastrum. The BlackCastle. According to the document Notitia Dignitatum,2500 to 5000 Illyrian Moorish soldiers, in five separate military units,had served in the Near East.From this document we must deduce that at the beginning of the fifth century at least 100,000 descendants of Moors lived in Illyrium, which was located in the Balkans.

High ranking officers became lords and the crest of families posted would in time have their names Anglicized as new political realities shifted after-all Septimus Survus, Pescennius Niger,Lusius Quietus,and many others carried Latin names but we know where they came from.
Crest such as posted above came about in the middle ages long after the political situation changed,so at least some of those families would go back to Roman times.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Lusius_Quietus_on_Column_of_Trajan.jpg/800px-Lusius_Quietus_on_Column_of_Trajan.jpg
Please click very large pic of Lusius Quietus troops with those hair styles that you hate.
http://www.jstor.org/pss/4427245
http://www.jstor.org/pss/4427147
Some would stem from the medieval era more likely Christian converts see the crescent moons on some of the crest.
http://books.google.com/books?id=1F9HPuDkySsC&pg=PA47&lpg=PA47&dq=m.aemilius+aemilianus+moor&source=bl&ots=kKmv-WSg4J&sig=TJBaH5Zke2_DiIIBKcKGxFfoen0&hl=en&ei=h8lkTOvIJImwvgOhpJWeC g&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=m.aemilius%20aemilianus%20moor&f=false
Don't panic the above is just one link^just click on anywhere.

Zenophilus of Numidia, boast that "my grandfather "is a soldier,he had served in the Commitatus,for our family is of Moorish origin.To the Commiataus belonged the renowened Equites Mauri.

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Brada-Anansi - This would have been better posted in the other thread. As here I wanted to stick to that related to Britain, Normandy and Normans.

But I must say, your sources do not serve you well, the authors of your source material seem as ignorant of history, as some of our current posters - yes I understand they are old books, but still.

Much is made of Black troops in the Roman army, when even here as ES, we calculated that at least half of the Roman army sent against Hannibal was of African origin.

Boer writes quote: When the Roman government opened high posts to persons of Barbaric origin he undoubtedly meant "Black" origin. Not knowing the many Roman kings and noble families pridefully claimed descent from These Black people!

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And you, in your own haste to create a Red Herring, failed to comprehend your own quote.

Brada-Anansi quote: According to the document Notitia Dignitatum, 2500 to 5000 Illyrian Moorish soldiers, in five separate military units,had served in the Near East.

Perhaps it would help your comprehension if I rephrased the quote.

2500 to 5000 Black soldiers "FROM" Illyrian, in five separate military units, had served in the Near East.

I can say that quite confidently because this is what Eastern Europeans LOOKED like:

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And after centuries of mixing with the invading Whites: This is What SOME of them LOOKED like!

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Herodotus in Book 3 says: The tribes living in southern Colchis (the Tibareni, Mossynoeci, Macrones, Moschoi, and Marres) were incorporated in the 19th Satrapy of the Persian King Darius; while the northern tribes submitted “voluntarily” and had to send to the Persian court 100 girls and 100 boys in every 5 years.

The Tibareni - Called Tubal by Josephus Flavius (see below) - He identifies them with the (Eastern) Iberians and Cappadocians.

The Macrones (Makrones) were an original Colchian tribe.

The Moschoi - Josephus Flavius identified the Moschoi with the Biblical Meshech. Meshech is named with Tubal (and Rosh, in certain translations) as principalities of "Gog, prince of Magog" in Ezekiel 38:2 and 39:1, and is considered a Japhetite tribe, identified by Flavius Josephus with the Cappadocian Moschoi (Mushki, also associated with Phrygians or Bryges) and their capital Mazaca. Another Meshech is named as a son of Aram in 1 Chronicles 1:17 (corresponding to the form Mash in Genesis 10). In Hippolytus of Rome's chronicle (234 AD).


A Cappadocian.

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Source:

http://oi.uchicago.edu/gallery/pa_iran_paai_per_apa/index.php/?page=1




the "Illyrians" were identified as Meshech's offspring. In addition, Georgians have traditions that they, and other Caucasus people including Armenians, share descent from Meshech.

{Keeping in mind that the White Caucasus people who now call themselves Georgians and Armenians: Are actually Invading Albino people from Central Asia, called Russ, Slav, and Turk: And are recent arrivals}.

The Mossynoeci - (Greek word Mossynoikoi "dwellers in wooden towers"). The Greeks of the Black Sea area applied it to the peoples of Pontus, on the northern Anatolian coast.

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Buckworth

The ancestors of the bearers of the buckworth family name are thought have lived in ancient Anglo-Saxon England. They were first found in the county of Hertfordshire, at Broxbourne. Until quite recently, the English language has lacked a definite system of spelling rules. Consequently, Anglo-Saxon surnames are characterized by a multitude of spelling variations. Changes in Anglo-Saxon names were influenced by the evolution of the English language, as it incorporated elements of French, Latin, and other languages.

Although Medieval scribes and church officials recorded names as they sounded, so it is common to find one person referred to by several different spellings of his surname, even the most literate people varied the spelling of their own names. Variations of the name buckworth include Buckworth, Buckworthe and others. First found in Hertfordshire where they held a family seat from very ancient times, some say well before the Norman Conquest and the arrival of Duke William at Hastings in 1066 A.D.


Haliburton

Spelling variations of this family name include: Halliburton, Haliburton, Haleyburton, Hollyburton, Halyburton, Halburton, Heliburton and many more. First found in Berwickshire where they held a family seat from very ancient times, some say well before the Norman Conquest and the arrival of Duke William at Hastings in 1066 A.D.


Soame

Spelling variations of this family name include: Soam, Soams, Soames, Somes, Soame, Soan, Soanes and others. First found in Suffolk where they held a family seat from very ancient times, as Lords of the manor of Berkesden, some say well before the Norman Conquest and the arrival of Duke William at Hastings in 1066 A.D.

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A little bit OT.


Ayuba Suleiman Diallo, also known as Job ben Solomon. by William Hoare of Bath, 1733

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Ayuba Suleiman Diallo is an important figure in the history of Britain and its involvement in the Transatlantic slave trade. An educated man from a family of Muslim clerics in West Africa, Diallo was taken into slavery and sent to work on a plantation in America. By his own enterprise and piety, and assisted by a series of spectacular strokes of fortune, Diallo arrived in London in 1733 where he mixed with high and intellectual society, was introduced at Court and was bought out of slavery by public subscription. Through the publication of his Memoirs in 1734, Diallo had an important and lasting impact on Britain's understanding of West African culture, black identity and Islam. Advocates of the abolition of slavery would also later cite Diallo as a key figure when asserting the moral rights and humanity of black people.

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quote:
Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:

As you know, I do not subscribe to the unproven notion that whites and blacks have been forever at each others throat. Racism, as we know it today, began in 1760 leading to the French Revolution (1789-1795). In the US it started in 1691 with the colour line.

Egmond - As I delve into British history, especially "Current" history, it does "seem" like there was a particular point or occurrence, which made the Albino British decide to write their history exclusive of Blacks.

Note these comments concerning the "Ivory Bangle Lady"


Quote 1: 'We're looking at a population mix which is much closer to contemporary Britain than previous historians had suspected.

'In the case of York, the Roman population may have had more diverse origins than the city has now.

'This skull is particularly interesting, because the stone sarcophagus she was buried in, and the richness of the grave goods, means she was a very wealthy woman, absolutely from the top end of York society.

'Her case contradicts assumptions that may derive from more recent historical experience, namely that immigrants are low status and male, and that African individuals are likely to have been slaves.

'Instead, it is clear that both women and children moved across the Empire, often associated with the military.'

Quote 2: The Romans didn't have the kind of race-based prejudice found in our own history, so we shouldn't be surprised at the presence of wealthy Africans. But upper-crust Africans living in a dismal Imperial backwater like 4th century Britannia? That's odd, though there is a scenario that makes sense, if the young woman was indeed of "mixed ancestry": A prominent Romano-British merchant with a trading route to Africa might have met and married an upper-class African woman on one of his trips. After having at least one daughter -- the Ivory Bangle Lady -- the family returned to York. The mysterious bracelet -- made from African ivory and British jet -- was a gift to the young woman (probably from her father) to represent her own origins.


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In both cases, modern educated, knowledgeable, Britain's, refused to admit the well documented "INDIGENOUS" Black Britain's of ancient and medieval times.

But I don't see what brought this on; Bearing in mind that "The Dictionary of National Biography (DNB) a standard work of reference with articles on more than 29,000 notable figures from British history. It was originally published in 63 volumes between 1885 and 1900. This book, finished in 1900, seems to "freely" identify Black persons of note - I could be wrong, but I don't detect in it, any desire to obfuscate Blacks.

"BUT" in the same mentioned Dictionary, I did see this curious quote under the Andrew Barton entry.

Quote: (1476 A.D.) With these he cruised in the Channel, intercepting and capturing, at various times, many of the richly laden vessels returning from the Portuguese settlements in India and Africa; and, as Tytler remarks, the unwonted apparition (appearance) of blackamoors at the Scottish court, and black empresses presiding over the royal tournaments, is to be traced to the spirit and success of the Scottish privateers.

Of course, that is a lie, whatever blackamoors, and black empresses presiding over the royal tournaments there were, they would have been native Scots.

But to the point, you have said that there was a specific time and specific occurrences which led to the Albino "self-Defense" mechanism of racism. Can you amplify on that?

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