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osirion
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Can anyone eXplain why the Haratins would have the closest blood type to the royal Dynastic Egyptians? I realiZe blood typing isn't always accurate but these are people of the same general region. Shouldn't modern day Egyptians have the closest blood type? Logically modern day Egyptians should be the closest in blood type to the ancients so why would indigenous Black Africans be closer? The best eXplaination that is simplest to understand is that the Haratins resemble the Ancient Egyptians better than the modern because they are not as miXed with non-African influence as much.

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G. Paoli, in "ABO Typing of Ancient Egyptians" IN _Population biology
of ancient Egyptians_, edited by D.R. Brothwell and B.A. Chiarelli, London,
New York, 1973, showed that the Dynastic Egyptians were most closely matched
with the Haratin of the northern Sahara. Paoli mentions the theory of
Cabot-Briggs (Cabot-Briggs, L. (1958), _The Living Races of the Sahara Desert,
Massachussets) that this resemblance might indicate the origin of the Haratin.
Here are the figures given for the two groups from Paoli (p. 464):


Modern Northern Haratin and Dynastic Egyptian
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No. O A B AB p q r
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Egyptians 160 34 64 34 28 34.35 21.45 44.20 (Paoli)
Haratin 202 40 80 57 25 30.99 23.14 48.87 (Mourant)
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The Haratin are considered a mixture of the "aboriginal black population"
of North Africa and freed slaves mostly from the South. Of particular
interest in the chart above is the very high frequency of the q gene.
In most European population, the gene frequency is below 10% (See
Montagu, A. _Introduction to Physical Anthropology_ 1960, p. 334).

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Here is an interesting item from a book from 1897.

How a race of pymies was found in North Africa and Spain
By Robert Grant Haliburton

(see page 53, above link, Haratins are mentioned)

Robert Grant Haliburton b. 3 June 1831 in Nova Scotia spent his last years proposing the existence of a distinctive tribal group of small stature within the Atlas Mountains and vicinity. He collected local stories and eyewitness accounts of this "dwarf people," debated critics, and published theories. These curious tales disappeared (or at least were never investigated fully) after Haliburton died, but he left an anthropological legacy that serves as a cautionary tale (or perhaps a starting point for future investigation) Further writings on the dwarf races occasioned considerable controversy, particularly over his theory that the evolution of man began with a “dwarf era.”

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Clyde Winters
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^^ Great fine. Most West African people claim pygmies lived in the area before before they came on the scene.

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Why is lioness talking about Pygmies? Haratins are not Pygmies they are Saharan Black Africans similar to Nubians.

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quote:
Originally posted by osirion:
Why is lioness talking about Pygmies? Haratins are not Pygmies they are Saharan Black Africans similar to Nubians.

In the book he talks about smaller and larger Haratins and mixing with other people, see link.
I don't necessarily agree with anything he is saying

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by osirion:
Why is lioness talking about Pygmies? Haratins are not Pygmies they are Saharan Black Africans similar to Nubians.

In the book he talks about smaller and larger Haratins and mixing with other people, see link.
I don't necessarily agree with anything he is saying

quote:
The singular, and at first sight incredible, fact, that the existence of a race of dwarfs, under four feet high, in the Atlas Mountains, only a few hundred miles from the Mediterranean, has for three thousand years at least been kept a profound secret by the natives, was first brought to the notice of the scientific world by a paper of mine..
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZljvQQAACAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=editions:HARVARD32044042059949

Now, you are confirming my thesis
of the blacks of North Africa the original mediterraneans.... http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=003476;p=2


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