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Mike your webiste has this image supposedly of a wall in Catal Huyuk:



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^^^
I am questioning the authenticity of this because I can't find a source for the image. That is one the amaetuerish things about your website is that you don't source photos. Below appears to be the same image but the head area appears to be cracked off.
It also seems odd that the head would have a similar looking pattern to what appears to be a dotted animal or animal skin.
I was thinking could your image be a later one after damage but in the images below the legs are complete but in your image they are almost faded away. It's possible that it's a different painting altogether but it's awfully similar in position.
Your image could be legit but I'm questioning the authenticity of your image until I see a source linked.


some other versions:

1)
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2)

Library at MIT:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://dome.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.3/2

(image to large to post)


3)

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://makingmaps.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/leopard_skin_catal.jpg&imgrefurl=http://m
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4)

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UM-DKdMK8zs/SHasuZ

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5) Univ Texas

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.utexas.edu/courses/classicalarch/im

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
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Mike your webiste has this image supposedly of a wall in Catal Huyuk:



 -

^^^
I am questioning the authenticity of this because I can't find a source for the image. That is one the amaetuerish things about your website is that you don't source photos. Below appears to be the same image but the head area appears to be cracked off.
It also seems odd that the head would have a similar looking pattern to what appears to be a dotted animal or animal skin.
I was thinking could your image be a later one after damage but in the images below the legs are complete but in your image they are almost faded away. It's possible that it's a different painting altogether but it's awfully similar in position.
Your image could be legit but I'm questioning the authenticity of your image until I see a source linked.


some other versions:

1)
 -


2)

Library at MIT:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://dome.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.3/2

(image to large to post)


3)

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://makingmaps.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/leopard_skin_catal.jpg&imgrefurl=http://m
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4)

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UM-DKdMK8zs/SHasuZ

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5) Univ Texas

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.utexas.edu/courses/classicalarch/im

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First off I think wherever it came from, the painting Mike has on his site doesn't have the same individual that appears on that text.
And I also think YOU - of all people - can think of the reason why they used the one with the head not visible. [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
First off I think wherever it came from, the painting Mike has on his site doesn't have the same individual that appears on that text.
And I also think YOU - of all people - can think of the reason why they used the one with the head not visible. [Big Grin]

Yeah they didn't want to show that the guy had leopard skin hair.
Consider the image from Mike's site fake until proven otherwise by sources

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quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
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Mike your webiste has this image supposedly of a wall in Catal Huyuk:



 -

^^^
I am questioning the authenticity of this because I can't find a source for the image. That is one the amaetuerish things about your website is that you don't source photos. Below appears to be the same image but the head area appears to be cracked off.
It also seems odd that the head would have a similar looking pattern to what appears to be a dotted animal or animal skin.
I was thinking could your image be a later one after damage but in the images below the legs are complete but in your image they are almost faded away. It's possible that it's a different painting altogether but it's awfully similar in position.
Your image could be legit but I'm questioning the authenticity of your image until I see a source linked.


some other versions:

1)
 -


2)

Library at MIT:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://dome.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.3/2

(image to large to post)


3)

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://makingmaps.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/leopard_skin_catal.jpg&imgrefurl=http://m
 -


4)

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UM-DKdMK8zs/SHasuZ

 -

5) Univ Texas

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.utexas.edu/courses/classicalarch/im

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First off I think wherever it came from, the painting Mike has on his site doesn't have the same individual that appears on that text.
And I also think YOU - of all people - can think of the reason why they used the one with the head not visible. [Big Grin]

lol [Wink]
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did any one ever notice that when Troll Patty replies he never edits the post to make his remarks. If the two previous posts were duplicates of the same 8 pages he'll just hit reply, create yet a third copy of the same info and add a three letter comment.
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
did any one ever notice that when Troll Patty replies he never edits the post to make his remarks. If the two previous posts were duplicates of the same 8 pages he'll just hit reply, create yet a third copy of the same info and add a three letter comment.

Why go up and modify your post like adding the leopard skin hair. Why that's rather Mathildaish of you changing your postings and then trying to pretend it was never there.
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
First off I think wherever it came from, the painting Mike has on his site doesn't have the same individual that appears on that text.
And I also think YOU - of all people - can think of the reason why they used the one with the head not visible. [Big Grin]

Yeah they didn't want to show that the guy had leopard skin hair.
Consider the image from Mike's site fake until proven otherwise by sources

Now come on, LYING. Is Mike even that good of a photoshop artist? I think you win the cake in this respect, no?


I see other people of the Euronuts questioning this. You have get a little more original.

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quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
did any one ever notice that when Troll Patty replies he never edits the post to make his remarks. If the two previous posts were duplicates of the same 8 pages he'll just hit reply, create yet a third copy of the same info and add a three letter comment.

Why go up and modify your post like adding the leopard skin hair. Why that's rather Mathildaish of you changing your postings and then trying to pretend it was never there.
I edit my posts all the time. The odd thing is that the dots on the head were similar to the dots of the form in front of the figure also with dots. It seems suspicious that they would look so similar and supposedly represent different things.
Still the item may be legitimate but I'm not convinced until I see a proper source. If it is legitimate then it may show that some people did not want to show it for some reason or that it was overlooked as being a better representation of a Catal Huyuk hunter, at least having a head (although it is more faded) I sent somebody a letter about the source of this image. As I continue to look at it it does look kind of real. At this point I'm leaning toward it's probably real
Again, be patient dana. I realize your emotional state

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It would help if there were a source provided for the image though, so others could view it at the source itself- cah it does look real...I'm finished trying to find it too much time wasted as I've been finding every other rass image from catal huyuk it seems but that one smh kmrct...

Lioness, I am not saying you're right or wrong on whether or not it's authentic because I don't know and so I can't speak yea or nay on it, but I will say you should know by now that whether or not your points are valid/validly brought up, dem ah guh gi yuh ah fight every time...lol

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quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
did any one ever notice that when Troll Patty replies he never edits the post to make his remarks. If the two previous posts were duplicates of the same 8 pages he'll just hit reply, create yet a third copy of the same info and add a three letter comment.

Why go up and modify your post like adding the leopard skin hair. Why that's rather Mathildaish of youDn changing your postings and then trying to pretend it Bigwas never there.
[Wink] right on, I don't edit posts because most of the time I type from my iPad and sometimes my iPhone, which makes it difficult to go back- and-forth between posts to edit. When I am behind the iMac I mostly do.

I don't see why that is such a big deal to Mathilda? When Mathilda alters posts to its agenda.

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quote:
Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
It would help if there were a source provided for the image though, so others could view it at the source itself- cah it does look real...I'm finished trying to find it too much time wasted as I've been finding every other rass image from catal huyuk it seems but that one smh kmrct...

Lioness, I am not saying you're right or wrong on whether or not it's authentic because I don't know and so I can't speak yea or nay on it, but I will say you should know by now that whether or not your points are valid/validly brought up, dem ah guh gi yuh ah fight every time...lol

A lot is online, not everything. For obvious reasons some is not. Some can only be found in private databases.
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quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:
Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
It would help if there were a source provided for the image though, so others could view it at the source itself- cah it does look real...I'm finished trying to find it too much time wasted as I've been finding every other rass image from catal huyuk it seems but that one smh kmrct...

Lioness, I am not saying you're right or wrong on whether or not it's authentic because I don't know and so I can't speak yea or nay on it, but I will say you should know by now that whether or not your points are valid/validly brought up, dem ah guh gi yuh ah fight every time...lol

A lot is online, not everything. For obvious reasons some is not. Some can only be found in private databases.
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Let's suppose the painting above is authentic. Are the dots on the man's head supposed to be afro hair or perhaps peppercorn?
Would such a thing mean that this man was African. I don't know.
But Troll, P you should be cautious in general posting pictures from Mike's site. He does not list sources on pictures.
There were human remains found at Çatal Höyük.
I don't think they were determined to be African but I don't know much about it.

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Lioness If the people of Catal Huyuk were in anyway related to the Natufians who were earlier and had sprang from the Nile valley Mushabian culture then it's not surprising that they would sport Afro or pepper corn hair.
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quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Lioness If the people of Catal Huyuk were in anyway related to the Natufians who were earlier and had sprang from the Nile valley Mushabian culture then it's not surprising that they would sport Afro or pepper corn hair.

You and Zarahan already answered. So I just leave it at that.

[Wink]

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[Embarrassed]
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quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Lioness If the people of Catal Huyuk were in anyway related to the Natufians who were earlier and had sprang from the Nile valley Mushabian culture then it's not surprising that they would sport Afro or pepper corn hair.

Agreed. But requesting a link to the source is not unreasonable...or is it? I'm not questioning the authenticity either way- I don't know what to think...just curious to view the source.

Funny for some of us, it seems as tho it's reasonable to request links to sources for the yte jancros who post here (and thus we RIGHTLY SHOULD FOR THE OBVIOUS REASONS, lol)...

However, for some it appears to be unreasonable to request a link(s) to sources for info that a non-yte posts...as tho it becomes irrelevant and shouldn't be questioned...Nah mon, far as I'm concerned that nuh guh suh....and this is bout Truth And Rights not Black And Yte...if you tek my meaning still (of course the actual meaning of that statement is so going to fly over a few heads smh lol)

Standards of proof do not change with the skin complexion of the individual...if we want to hold ytes to a particular standard of proof, then we hold ourSelves to that same standard no less....


quote:
A lot is online, not everything. For obvious reasons some is not. Some can only be found in private databases.
[Smile] True but my initial comment (to which you were responding to) still stands...
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I'm kinda curious as to why Mikeybwoy never responded to this thread addressed to him by Lioness/LyinAss (lol) since March 8- everyone else has response but him...while he got all the time in the world to rant and rave in other threads....ijs....*note what's funny is that I already know the coming response to this comment lol smh*

Note: she/he may be questioning the authenticity of the painting...but as for me, I'm just curious of the source out of actual interest...

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Let's suppose the painting above is authentic. Are the dots on the man's head supposed to be afro hair or perhaps peppercorn? Would such a thing mean that this man was African. I don't know. But Troll, P you should be cautious in general posting pictures from Mike's site. He does not list sources on pictures. There were human remains found at Çatal Höyük. I don't think they were determined to be African but I don't know much about it.
I was responding to the first and bottom part of the quote as to the people who populate the area in very early times,and yes a sourced link would be nice no disagreement with that.
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here is an oil painting website that has the image:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.huntfor.com/absoluteig/

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^Damn you people are Sad.
The picture wasn't entered as an exhibit. Why would I be responsible for anything about it? I know of no rule of conduct where someone can just produce a picture, and demand verification from someone else.

Any of you ass-holes ever consider searching "Anatolia" or "Catal Huyuk" like people really interested in the material would do? There is lots of material on the internet about it, who knows, you idiots might actually learn something, instead of being armchair head shakers - you know, the youtube generation. Can't read too well, can't think too well, but they damn sure can watch videos and shake their heads real well.

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It was high time

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^I know some are thinking: Damn Mike111 is in a bad mood today.

Well not really, it's just a fact of life that every once in a while you have to slap the ignorant around a little bit, just so they remember their place.

Sound harsh? Just think of the worlds condition today. How much better would it be if the ignorant had just been slapped in the head and told: "Don't think, you're not good at it, just do as you're told.

America is in turmoil because the ignorant (tea baggers) want to take power. Anyone notice the crazy things politicians are saying to satisfy them?

Remember the Arab Spring?
It started because they wanted JOBS!
Last I heard, the world is not beside itself waiting for Arab goods and services - except OIL. Hmmm, I wonder if that's why the Europeans jumped into Libya?

Anyway, wouldn't the honest thing have been to truthfully tell them, if you want jobs, get in the fields with the Niggers?

So now there will be turmoil because there are no jobs to be had. Worst yet, Europeans are thinking that the Muslim world might not be the best place to take a vacation - that means job losses.

What are they going to do?
Borrow money to create these jobs.

Soon after the IMF will come calling, then the pain really begins. Wouldn't it have been better to have told them the truth in the first place?

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^^^^ Lil Mikey's ramblings


quote:
Originally posted by Omo Baba:
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^^^this is it, larger spanning version

here is the link:


here is the link:

http://sdt.sulinet.hu/Player/Default.aspx?g=c90420b9-66ba-411f-861c-811fa8238da1&cid=08505a90-38b3-

translation forn Hungarian:

"Rites of the early production cultures" Gímszarvasvadászatot painting, Catal Hülyük, BC 5800th k.

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^ oh oh...sh*t just hit the fan. [Big Grin]


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Omo Baba,

Further "moor" it says,


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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:



quote:
Originally posted by Omo Baba:
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^^^this is it, larger spanning version

here is the link:


here is the link:

http://sdt.sulinet.hu/Player/Default.aspx?g=c90420b9-66ba-411f-861c-811fa8238da1&cid=08505a90-38b3-

translation forn Hungarian:

"Rites of the early production cultures" Gímszarvasvadászatot painting, Catal Hülyük, BC 5800th k.

[Smile] Give thanks to both Omo Baba and Lioness for providing it...cah dam as I said I was searching under 'Catal Huyuk' but everything else was coming up but that painting. Anyway, thanks as it's much more interesting and can be appreciated more (IMHO) in the more expansive painting. [Smile]

I find ancient artwork interesting...because I like artwork.

A few more from Catal Huyuk-

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
^I know some are thinking: Damn Mike111 is in a bad mood today.

Well not really, it's just a fact of life that every once in a while you have to slap the ignorant around a little bit, just so they remember their place.

Sound harsh? Just think of the worlds condition today. How much better would it be if the ignorant had just been slapped in the head and told: "Don't think, you're not good at it, just do as you're told.

America is in turmoil because the ignorant (tea baggers) want to take power. Anyone notice the crazy things politicians are saying to satisfy them?

Remember the Arab Spring?
It started because they wanted JOBS!
Last I heard, the world is not beside itself waiting for Arab goods and services - except OIL. Hmmm, I wonder if that's why the Europeans jumped into Libya?

Anyway, wouldn't the honest thing have been to truthfully tell them, if you want jobs, get in the fields with the Niggers?

So now there will be turmoil because there are no jobs to be had. Worst yet, Europeans are thinking that the Muslim world might not be the best place to take a vacation - that means job losses.

What are they going to do?
Borrow money to create these jobs.

Soon after the IMF will come calling, then the pain really begins. Wouldn't it have been better to have told them the truth in the first place?

Mike, you have gained so much more respect!!!! [Cool]
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quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
First off I think wherever it came from, the painting Mike has on his site doesn't have the same individual that appears on that text.
And I also think YOU - of all people - can think of the reason why they used the one with the head not visible. [Big Grin]

The new(s) find gives your post so much more asskicking strength! [Smile]
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How the hell did I end up with a Neanderthal toe!!! It's like 1 in 10!!! [Mad]
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Yup TP this is even more devastating thanks to Omo Baba and like the Minoan Capt of the Blacks painting sometimes if one came across it in a book say like the African Presence in Ancient Europe by Ivan Van Sertima one would be hard pressed to find that full image on the net until it receive a lot of hits and started showing up more frequently
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The original with the face intact is very hard to come by on the net but can be seen in Van Sertima's work.
so are these figures
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http://thenile.phpbb-host.com/sutra6979.php

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quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
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Yup TP this is even more devastating thanks to Omo Baba and like the Minoan Capt of the Blacks painting sometimes if one came across it in a book say like the African Presence in Ancient Europe by Ivan Van Sertima one would be hard pressed to find that full image on the net until it receive a lot of hits and started showing up more frequently
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The original with the face intact is very hard to come by on the net but can be seen in Van Sertima's work.
so are these figures
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http://thenile.phpbb-host.com/sutra6979.php

Yes it's getting terrible, now all the pieces of the puzzle fall into place. [Big Grin]


Hooray hooray for Van Sertima the Great!

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quote:


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R you happy, LYing _ss?!
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quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:


Yup TP this is even more devastating thanks to Omo Baba and like the Minoan Capt of the Blacks painting sometimes if one came across it in a book say like the African Presence in Ancient Europe by Ivan Van Sertima one would be hard pressed to find that full image on the net until it receive a lot of hits and started showing up more frequently
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The original with the face intact is very hard to come by on the net but can be seen in Van Sertima's work.

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Myra put it in the African looking and/or dark
skinned folk in the ancient Aegean world
thread
but the source site has since taken down it and
all late Minoan art but Ourstory will not be
repressed.

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It was high time

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Tukuler and Omo Baba Rulez...
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Myra put it in the African looking and/or dark
skinned folk in the ancient Aegean world thread
but the source site has since taken down it and
all late Minoan art but Ourstory will not be
repressed.
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=005294;p=2#000089
As soon as I get some decent down time I will try and archive some of this thread over @ ESR. . [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
quote:


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R you happy, LYing _ss?!
The devil have abandoned the thread. Its not working for her anymore. [Big Grin]
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^^^^ what do you expect me to do? the thread asked for a source on a Catal Huyuk painting.One was found.
Now you,ve got this one up which shows some black runners in Minoa. What's your point, we were there running around?
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lol at phony7 and racist cohorts. Receiving slaps in the face.
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what do you expect me to do? the thread asked for a source on a Catal Huyuk painting.One was found. Now you,ve got this one up which shows some black runners in Minoa. What's your point, we were there running around?
Yeah participating in running thangs.. [Big Grin]
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quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
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Yup TP this is even more devastating thanks to Omo Baba and like the Minoan Capt of the Blacks painting sometimes if one came across it in a book say like the African Presence in Ancient Europe by Ivan Van Sertima one would be hard pressed to find that full image on the net until it receive a lot of hits and started showing up more frequently
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The original with the face intact is very hard to come by on the net but can be seen in Van Sertima's work.
so are these figures
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http://thenile.phpbb-host.com/sutra6979.php

Paragroup E-M78 represents 74.5% of haplogroup E*, the highest frequencies observed in Masalit and Fur populations.
Which spread into the Levant, Neareast and East-South Europe. Out of them arose E-V13.


I introduce to you the FUR! lol


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"From the Mesolithic to the early Neolithic period different lines of evidence support an out-of-Africa Mesolithic migration to the Levant by northeastern African groups that had biological affinities with sub-Saharan populations. From a genetic point of view, several recent genetic studies have shown that sub-Sabaran genetic lineages (affiliated with the Y-chromosome PN2 clade; Underhill et al. 2001) have spread through Egypt into the Near East, the Mediterranean area, and, for some lineages, as far north as Turkey (E3b-M35 Y lineage; Cinniogclu et al. 2004; Luis et al. 2004), probably during several dispersal episodes since the Mesolithic (Cinniogelu et al. 2004; King et al. 2008; Lucotte and Mercier 2003; Luis et al. 2004; Quintana-Murci et al. 1999; Semino et al. 2004; Underhill et al. 2001). This finding is in agreement with morphological data that suggest that populations with sub-Saharan morphological elements were present in northeastern Africa, from the Paleolithic to at least the early Holocene, and diffused northward to the Levant and Anatolia beginning in the Mesolithic.

Indeed, the rare and incomplete Paleolithic to early Neolithic skeletal specimens found in Egypt - such as the 33,000-year-old Nazlet Khater specimen (Pinhasi and Semai 2000), the Wadi Kubbaniya skeleton from the late Paleolithic site in the upper Nile valley (Wendorf et al. 1986), the Qarunian (Faiyum) early Neolithic crania (Henneberg et al. 1989; Midant-Reynes 2000), and the Nabta specimen from the Neolithic Nabta Playa site in the western desert of Egypt (Henneberg et al. 1980) - show, with regard to the great African biological diversity, similarities with some of the sub-Saharan middle Paleolithic and modern sub-Saharan specimens.

This affinity pattern between ancient Egyptians and sub-Saharans has also been noticed by several other investigators (Angel 1972; Berry and Berry 1967, 1972; Keita 1995) and has been recently reinforced by the study of Brace et al. (2005), which clearly shows that the cranial morphology of prehistoric and recent northeast African populations is linked to sub-Saharan populations (Niger-Congo populations). These results support the hypothesis that some of the Paleolithic-early Holocene populations from northeast Africa were probably descendents of sub-Saharan ancestral populations...... This northward migration of northeastern African populations carrying sub-Saharan biological elements is concordant with the morphological homogeneity of the Natufian populations (Bocquentin 2003), which present morphological affinity with sub-Saharan populations (Angel 1972; Brace et al. 2005).

In addition, the Neolithic revolution was assumed to arise in the late Pleistocene Natufians and subsequently spread into Anatolia and Europe (Bar-Yosef 2002), and the first Anatolian farmers, Neolithic to Bronze Age Mediterraneans and to some degree other Neolithic-Bronze Age Europeans, show morphological affinities with the Natufians (and indirectly with sub-Saharan populations; Angel 1972; Brace et al. 2005), in concordance with a process of demie diffusion accompanying the extension of the Neolithic revolution (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994)."

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quote:
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Tukuler and Omo Baba Rulez...
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Myra put it in the African looking and/or dark
skinned folk in the ancient Aegean world thread
but the source site has since taken down it and
all late Minoan art but Ourstory will not be
repressed.
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=005294;p=2#000089
As soon as I get some decent down time I will try and archive some of this thread over @ ESR. . [Wink]

Barbed Bone Points: Tradition and Continuity in Saharan and Sub-Saharan Africa
John E. Yellen

The African Archaeological Review
Vol. 15, No. 3 (Sep., 1998), pp. 173-198


Examination of African barbed bone points recovered from Holocene sites provides a context to interpret three Late Pleistocene occurrences from Katanda and Ishango, Zaire, and White Paintings Shelter, Botswana. In sites dated to ca. 10,000 BP and younger, such artifacts are found widely distributed across the Sahara Desert, the Sahel, the Nile, and the East African Lakes. They are present in both ceramic and aceramic contexts, sometimes associated with domesticates. The almost-universal presence of fish remains indicates a subsistence adaptation which incorporates a riverine/lacustrine component. Typologically these points exhibit sufficient similarity in form and method of manufacture to be subsumed within a single African tradition. They are absent at Fayum, where a distinct Natufian form occurs. Specimens dating to ca. 20,000 BP at Ishango, possibly a similar age at White Paintings Shelter, and up to 90,000 BP at Katanda clearly fall within this same African tradition and thus indicate a very long-term continuity which crosses traditionally conceived sub-Saharan cultural boundaries.


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http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/25130656?uid=3738736&uid=2460338175&uid=2460337935&uid=2&uid=4&uid=83&uid=63&sid=21100668758611


Nature 249, 120 - 123 (10 May 1974); doi:10.1038/249120a0


Barbed bone points from Central Sudan and the age of the “Early Khartoum” tradition


D. ADAMSON*, J. D. CLARK† & M. A. J. WILLIAMS‡

*School of Biological Sciences, Macquarie University, New South Wales 2113, Australia
†Department of Anthropology, University of California, Berkeley, California 94720
‡School of Earth Sciences, Macquarie University, New South Wales 2113, Australia

Barbed bone points, typical of those from the early Holocene settlement of “Early Khartoum”, have been found at three sites along the White Nile, south of Khartoum. The form of the fragments and the stratigraphy of the sites throw light on the environment and technology of the early settlements along this part of the Nile.

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http://whyfiles.org/122ancient_ag/2.html


Colombia University


http://www.columbia.edu/itc/anthropology/v1007/baryo.pdf


University of Tel Aviv

http://www.tau.ac.il/humanities/archaeology/info/ran_barkai/XV.pdf


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The site of Beisamoun is located in the western margins of the Hula Basin, c. 10 km south of Qiryat Shemona. A moderate Mediterranean climate and water resources in the immediate vicinity of the site, such as the ‘Enan and Agamon springs, were one of the major factors for establishing prehistoric settlements in this region, one  of which was ‘Ein Mallaha, a major Natufian site in the Levant.

http://www.hadashot-esi.org.il/report_detail_eng.asp?id=809&mag_id=114

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