quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: Columns go up, lintels go across, there's noting uniquely Egyptian about this.
Nobody added this caveat "uniquely" to the equation. Mainstream architectural history shows a significant influence of Egyptian temple architect on Greek temple architecture. Only a fool would not acknowledge the significant structural similarities, though not exactly the same in detail. Refer to any mainstream book on architectural history. Do I need to look up quotes?
What's wrong with you? You go out of your way to say that there's no influence on Greeks by Egyptians, at the same time saying the Egyptians were all Caucasians. What happened to white unity?
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quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: Columns go up, lintels go across, there's noting uniquely Egyptian about this.
Nobody added this caveat "uniquely" to the equation. Mainstream architectural history shows a significant influence of Egyptian temple architect on Greek temple architecture. Only a fool would not acknowledge the significant structural similarities, though not exactly the same in detail. Refer to any mainstream book on architectural history. Do I need to look up quotes?
What's wrong with you? You go out of your way to say that there's no influence on Greeks by Egyptians, at the same time saying the Egyptians were all Caucasians. What happened to white unity?
I've never made any claims about white unity, nor approved of artificial solidarity based on skin-colour. The Greeks couldn't manage Greek unity, let alone white unity, and they still seem to be at war with themselves.
Clearly I have no reason to play down Egyptian influence on Greece, yet I don't see why the superficial similarities should be exaggerated either. As I said, I've never seen an Egyptian temple with entablature with trigliphs and with triangular pediments, or Corintian or Ionic columns. I've never seen a Greek one with obelisks or an avenue of sphinxes, or pylon towers or a hipostile hall leading to a succession of sanctuaries.
There was an Egyptian column somewhat similar to the Ionic, but this is flimsy evidence for direct influence. Egptian influence on Greece seems to have been filtered through the Middle East, via Assyria, Persia and Phoenicia. There are very few examples of direct influence.
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Typical of some white people. They forgot we can read and write now. We don't fall for their BS anymore. Fukcers are deperate. Always contradicting themselves. Stupid fucks.
Instead of grasping for AE they will lose Ancient Greece. The playing field is almost level. Stupid white people like Cassit don't stand a chance. Your white skin won't save you.
Blond Greeks! GTFOH!!!
Who is the fraud? Cunt!
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: ...They forgot we can read and write now...
Now, yes, then, no.
quote:Fukcers... Stupid fucks... Stupid white people... GTFOH!!!... Cunt!
Manners still need a bit of polish, as well.
By the way when the king of Axum in Ethiopia captured Meroe, he commemmorated his victory in an inscription in Greek. This shows the extent of Greek influence, which as also felt as far West as Spain, and as far East as India. Is there an inscrbed wall in all of Greece bearing Nubian, or Amharic characters? I think not. Did any literary cuvilization arise in parts of Africa that were not in close proximity to Europe or Arabia? Is there any ancient writing at all to be found in tropical Africa west of Kush or south of Axum? Apparently not. There is not a Bantu or Niger-Congo language written in an indigenous alphabet, yet you have the audacity to try to identify with the founders of western civilization?
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did greeks not have any buildings or monuments before they studied in egypt?
Greeks 'borrowed Egyptian numbers'
By Paul Rincon
BBC Science
The astronomers, physicists and mathematicians of ancient Greece were true innovators.
But one thing it seems the ancient Greeks did not invent was the counting system on which many of their greatest thinkers based their pioneering calculations.
New research suggests the Greeks borrowed their system known as alphabetic numerals from the Egyptians, and did not develop it themselves as was long believed.
Greek alphabetic numerals were favoured by the mathematician and physicist Archimedes, the scientific philosopher Aristotle and the mathematician Euclid, amongst others.
Trade explosion
An analysis by Dr Stephen Chrisomalis of McGill University in Montreal, Canada, showed striking similarities between Greek alphabetic numerals and Egyptian demotic numerals, used in Egypt from the late 8th Century BC until around AD 450.
Both systems use nine signs in each "base" so that individual units are counted 1-9, tens are counted 10-90 and so on. Both systems also lack a symbol for zero.
Dr Chrisomalis proposes that an explosion in trade between Greece and Egypt after 600 BC led to the system being adopted by the Greeks.
Greek merchants may have seen the demotic system in use in Egypt and adapted it for their own purposes.
"We know there was an enormous amount of contact between the Greeks and Egyptians at this time," Dr Chrisomalis told BBC News Online.
'Plausible' theory
Professor David Joyce, a mathematician at Clark University in Worcester, US, said he had not examined Dr Chrisomalis' research, but thought the link was plausible.
"Egyptians used hieratic and, later, demotic script where the multiple symbols looked more like single symbols," said Professor Joyce.
"Instead of seven vertical strokes, a particular squiggle was used. That's the same scheme used in the Greek alphabetic numerals."
Traditionally, the system is thought to have been developed by Greeks in western Asia Minor, in modern day Turkey.
Between 475 BC and 325 BC, alphabetic numerals fell out of use in favour of a system of written numbers known as acrophonic numerals.
But from the late 4th Century BC onwards, alphabetic numerals became the preferred system throughout the Greek-speaking world.
They were used until the fall of the Byzantine Empire in the 15th Century.
The research is to be published in the journal Antiquity.
Ps. Some of these retarded eurocentrics think all over Europe had written scripture and high-end civilization.
In many parts/ most part they learned how to read and write only recently. Like 1-thousand years ago. And I even exaggerate here.
These same retards don't understand Nile Valley culture. And why people from the South moved up, along the Nile upstream.
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So according to you dark coloured painting are negro but white coloured suddenly have to be fakes
LOL...
Also note the long hair of these females. The first has long straight hair reaching her buttocks.
How many blacks have straight long hair over a metre long? None do. Blacks can't grow long straight hair since their hair is ugly, deformed and wooly.
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Stupid fukc don't realize what he just posted. The dark section is the original the light sections was touched up ie artist impress ie fake. Learn how to analyze these paintings. Gag!! I am outta here.
As you can tell from Mike's post, it was probably not redone. Same color scheme throughout
Research the pics before you post.
Cunt! LOL!
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ from the same akrotiri frescoe(s):
These are also found on your own website.
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^The Albino is also correct about the hair length. I don't recall ever seeing a Black woman with that rather pathetic fixation for abnormally long hair. I mean what a simple-minded thing to be fixated on, thus I always attributed it to females with juvenile minds.
I have yet to figure out the rationalization for it. Hair that long is a bitch to care for, hair that long and old tends to deteriorate, it certainly doesn't look good - except to Albinos. But then again, they have also convinced themselves that milk colored skin is attractive.
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African Fractals In Minoan Civilization. Reply with quote Ok all you mathematician and designer types check this out..as further proof of the Africanity of Kemitic civilization as if further proofs are necessary,the Kemites made use of African Fractals in their buildings, and whats more they transmitted this concept to the Minoans in Crete. All this goes to show African influence in the Aegean genetic as well cultural from atleast the age of the Minoans if not earlier.
Abstract: HLA genes allele distribution has been studied in Mediterranean and sub-Saharan populations. Their relatedness has been tested by genetic distances, neighbour-joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses. The population genetic relationships have been compared with the history of the classical populations living in the area. A revision of the historic postulates would have to be undertaken, particularly in the cases when genetics and history are overtly discordant. HLA genomics shows that: 1) Greeks share an important part of their genetic pool with sub-Saharan Africans (Ethiopians and west Africans) also supported by Chr 7 Markers. The gene flow from Black Africa to Greece may have occurred in Pharaonic times or when Saharan people emigrated after the present hyperarid conditions were established (5000 years B.C.) 2) Turks (Anatolians) do not significantly differ from other Mediterraneans, indicating that while the Asians Turks carried out an invasion with cultural significance (language), it is not genetically detectable. 3) Kurds and Armenians are genetically very close to Turks and other Middle East populations. 4) There is no HLA genetic trace of the so called Aryan invasion, which has only been defined on doubtful linguistic bases. 5) Iberians, including Basques, are related to north-African Berbers. 6) Present-day Algerian and Moroccan urban and country people show an indistinguishable Berber HLA profile.
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I think it might connected to the Rekhmire tomb will check on that for you Mike.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: [QB] Lets take a poll: is it Coppertone, or was there a Nigger in the Woodpile?
Neither idiot, some people get darker in the summer or when they live in different latitudes
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I have yet to figure out the rationalization for it. Hair that long is a bitch to care for, hair that long and old tends to deteriorate, it certainly doesn't look good - except to Albinos. But then again, they have also convinced themselves that milk colored skin is attractive. ======
You really need mental help mike.
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: I have yet to figure out the rationalization for it. Hair that long is a bitch to care for, hair that long and old tends to deteriorate, it certainly doesn't look good - except to Albinos. But then again, they have also convinced themselves that milk colored skin is attractive. ======
You really need mental help mike.
Sorry Pal, to "Normal" people, this is NOT attractive, much less sexy.
quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: The issue is the transmission of culture.
rahotep101 - You Albinos make it just too easy for me. Come-on try harder, make me work for it!
ASSHOLE!
LIKE "ALL" STATUES OF THAT TYPE: IT'S A FAKE! A MODERN RE-PRODUCTION!
THE "ORIGINAL" WAS BRONZE! And funny thing, the original is nowhere to be found.
Question: If they didn't have the original, how did they know what the copy should look like?
He,he, Anybody wanna bet the original was Black?
Wiki The Diadumenos is the winner of an athletic contest at a games, still nude after the contest and lifting his arms to knot the diadem, a ribbon-band that identifies the winner and which in the bronze original of about 420 BCE would have been represented by a ribbon of bronze.
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I'm not inclined to respond to Fake 111. I leave it to members of the race to whom he should be such an embarrasment to shut up his idiotic babble.
The above, however, is actually a first-century Roman copy of a Greek original, which obviously still existed at the time. http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/25.78.56 (A copy, by definition, looks the same as the thing of which it is a copy.) Anyone wanting to see authentic early Greek sculpture may be interested in the following examples, mostly from before 400 BC:
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rahotep101 - Sorry Albino boy, you don't get away that easily.
I won't waste my time with all of them. But to make the point that NONE of them are necessarily authentic - that is, their provenance can be traced.
Venus de Milo
The Aphrodite of Milos was discovered by a peasant named Yorgos Kentrotas on April 8, 1820, inside a buried niche within the ancient city ruins of Milos, on the Aegean island of Milos (also Melos, or Milo). The statue was found in two main pieces (the upper torso and the lower draped legs) along with several herms (pillars topped with heads), fragments of the upper left arm and left hand holding an apple, and an inscribed plinth. Olivier Voutier, a French naval officer, was exploring the island. With the help of the young farmer, Voutier began to dig around what were clearly ancient ruins. Within a few hours Voutier had uncovered Venus de Milo. About ten days later, another French naval officer, Jules Dumont d'Urville, recognized its significance and arranged for a purchase by the French ambassador to Turkey, Charles-François de Riffardeau, marquis, later duc de Rivière.
Twelve days out of Touloun the ship was anchored off the island of Melos. Ashore, d'Urville and [fellow officer] Matterer met a Greek peasant, who a few days earlier while ploughing had uncovered blocks of marble and a statue in two pieces, which he offered cheaply to the two young men. It was of a naked woman with an apple in her raised left hand, the right hand holding a draped sash falling from hips to feet, both hands damaged and separated from the body. Even with a broken nose, the face was beautiful. D'Urville the classicist recognized the Venus of the Judgement of Paris. It was, of course, the Venus de Milo. He was eager to acquire it, but his practical captain, apparently uninterested in antiquities, said there was nowhere to store it on the ship, so the transaction lapsed. The tenacious d'Urville on arrival at Constantinople showed the sketches he had made to the French ambassador, the Marquis de Rivière, who sent his secretary in a French Navy vessel to buy it for France. Before he could take delivery, French sailors had to fight Greek brigands for possession. In the mêlée the statue was roughly dragged across rocks to the ship, breaking off both arms, and the sailors refused to go back to search for them.
This story however proved to be a fabrication - Voutier's drawings of the statue when it was first discovered show that its arms were already missing (Curtis, 2003).
So pray tell, how do they know that the statue was made Between 130 and 100 B.C.?
Answer, they DON'T
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I'm not inclined to respond to Fake 111 ======
Not only does he reject art, he also rejects ancient literature as well.
According to mike the translations of greek texts into english are false because they were done by ''albino's''...
Yea its impossible to communicate with people that mentally deranged...
Mike reminds me of David Icke and his conspiracy freak fans who think Bush and Queen Elizabeth are reptilian humanoids.
The fact is though academia and scholars don't give a crap about such crackpottery.
Mike the crackpot is just left with creating his own 'revisionist' website of pseudo-history and lies which no one educated will ever believe.
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Yeah Rah101 it's a question of transmission culture but also a question of transmission DNA in this case, mind you I said it once and I'll say it again Greeks are Whites and their civ European despite having African genetic and cultural influence populations deemed White are in no way special in this regard. Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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rahotep101 - I enjoy wreaking your world so much that I'm doing one more.
Riace bronzes
It wasn't until published findings by German archaeologist Vinzenz Brinkmann in the late 20th century and early 21st century that painted Greek sculptures became an established undeniable fact. Using high intensity lamps, ultraviolet light, special cameras, plaster casts and certain powdered minerals, Brinkmann was able to scientifically prove that the entire Parthenon, including the actual structure as well as the statues, was in fact painted. He furthermore was able to reveal the pigments of the original paint and has created several painted replicas of Greek statues that are currently on tour throughout the world. Also in the collection, are replicas of works from other Greek and Roman sculptures showing that the practice of painting sculpture was widespread and in fact the normative practice rather than the exception in Greek and Roman culture. Museums to host the exhibit include the Glyptothek Museum in Munich, the Vatican Museum, and the National Archaeological Museum in Athens among others. The collection made its United States debut at Harvard University in the Fall of 2007.
Riace bronzes, examples of proto classic bronze sculpture.
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Bronze statues were not painted, only stone ones. Bronze, being non-porous, does not take paint. These are reconstructions of stone statues (the first two being archaic Kore) based on traces of original pigments.
quote:Originally posted by UncleFake111: rahotep101 - [IMG] ...Notice the obvious "Natural" aging on this one.
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rahotep101 - Yes, I believe that the text accompanying the statue at the British Museum, I think it is, mentions something about a slave. Though the back side is never shown, which would demonstrate that the hands were bound. Which is odd, Because we have all seen our own children strike that same petulant pose.
Not to mention the fact, that no one is going to pay the huge sum of money that a Bronze statue cost, for a Slave.
But then of course, "Normal" people understand that those words are for the benefit of you desperate Albinos, who will cling to any foolishness, in hope of maintaining the lie of your trumped-up history and reality.
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But rahotep101, though a feeble effort, it was still an effort, unlike Brada-Anansi, geez he believes any foolishness you Albinos put out.
So here is a consolation prize for you: a Black Greek with his hands visible!
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People have often made statues of slavs and prisoners, for reasons best known to themselves. Michelangelo carved slaves to adorn the tomb of Pope Julius II.
The Egyptians in particular couldn't get enough of images of humbled foreigners. Older Egyptian images are not ambiguous about showing captives and slaves...
By the way this figure of a black African musician, which Fake111 showed earlier, is Roman. It is presumed to be a copy of a Greek (or Ptolemaic Egyptian) original.
This fact negates the suggestion that later copies of Greek statues would give them a race transplant. Believe it or not, such a conspiracy to change the racial features of ancient statues exists only in the heads of paranoid afrocentric buffoons.
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A Roman bronze copy of a Hellenistic original statue , 3rd century BC or later showing an African musician , the so-called "black Orpheus", Biblotheque Nationale, Paris Inv. 1009.
Since MY statue is NOT Bronze, one can safely assume that it is the Greek original.
BTW - BIG difference between CARVING a slave, and having a Bronze statue made ----- ASSHOLE!
Question: a Naked musician? Since when?
I keep trying to impress upon you, just how pathetic you and your people have become. But my cautions go unheeded.
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By about 1000 B.C, the Hellenes had consolidated their power in Greece, to the point were they could start to expand; the Dorians, a Hellenic tribe, resettled Miletus.
There were no White people in Europe prior to the White invasions from Central Asia, circa 1,200 B.C, which began with the Hellenes invasion of Greece.
And the time when writing and art begin again, can be considered the time of successful completion of the invasions. The conventional dating of the Greek "Dark Ages" corresponds to from about 1,200 to 900 B.C. So we can safely use 1,200 B.C. as the approximate time of the White Invasion of Greece.
quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: Mycaean, mainland Greeks were literate and builders of stone cities before they had any direct contact with Egypt, and long before the emergence of Classical Greece:
The maritime Minoan culture, based on Crete, was also a distinct culture unto itself, not derivative of Egypt.
There is little or no direct Egyptian influence on Classical Greece, nor on the older Greece of Homer. There are fundamental differences in the religions, most notably the fact that Greeks had an earth goddess (Gaia) whereas Egyptians had an Earth god (Geb).
Greek political systems or philosophy don't obviously owe anything to Egypt. Greek mythology is full of creatures that are not found in Egyptian mythology, such as satyrs and centaurs. Greek mythology also has spurious Egyptian figures, such as king Aegyptus, who does not relate to any real figure from Egyptian history or myth.
There are only superficial similarities bewtween Egyptian and early Greek artworks, such as the way statues are posed. Greeks soon abandoned the stiff striding stance for statues and made them more naturalistic, a development that owed nothing to Egypt.
So culturally, and politically Greece owed little to Egypt. Whether maths and science were transmitted from Egypt I don't know.
The Lion's Gate from Agamemnon's city. Who was Aga-memnon?
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^^^^you provided the link Jenny Hiloudaki used to be a man, explain how that has any relevance to the topic, bimbo What you posted is as suspect as what I posted and not proof of anything so you shouldn't have done it. For example a blond can also color their hair brunette.
I was of the opinion that blond hair in modern Greeks was rare until I went to the link YOU provided.
think before you link
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