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This is a carry over from the Amarna thread I want to keep that thread on topic Kokakola
quote:Bantus are sticking to Egypt like roaches.. They are litteraly hijacking it from the local population (Beja, Nubians, Saidis,etc..) who show tight relations with the Ancients, wether BY THE LANGUAGE, THE CULTURE, THE PHENOTYPE, etc... No way in Hell
No one said the (Beja, Nubians, Saidis,etc..) who show tight relations with the Ancients, wether BY THE LANGUAGE, THE CULTURE phenotype here is questionable as it can and do change frequently and non of the above is static in itself..but I do detect a certain a great discomfort in any suggestion that ancient folks on the mid to lower Nile valley could be linked genetically to the dreaded Bantu.
Could it be all those years of ridicule of seeing them less than yourselves as the eternal flat nosed full,lipped primitives,naked with painted faces living in jungle mud huts,a slave "race" to be contemptuous of or if one was generous to be pitied,is that how you see them from childhood??..why any mention of connection of any kind is an affront to you?? Well fear not the dreaded Bantu they do not all lived in the same manner succumbed to slavery,lived in the same habitat,looked the same, No Hut here Huts but is that more inferior than a tent How is this inferior to this.
Another thing I get the feeling that some used the term Bantu to mean west African especially of the forest zone..well people like the Yoruba,Akan,Ibo,and other groups are not Bantu,folks living north of the forest zones are not Bantus either.
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quote:The Bantu agricultural/demographic expansion never went further than South Uganda and South-Central Kenya. You will hardly find any E-M2 in Ethiopia, South Sudan etc.
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Thanx Rass king but I created this thread so they can express their negative and down right hostility towards the dreaded Bantu,without disrupting the Amarna Dna thread..I want to get to the bottom of this hostility.
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Manu did you not know of the Benin Hbs Courtesy Al Takruri HbS can be informative of either African or Indian ancestry. Hb S can pinpoint a particular African region, either greater SW Nigeria region (Benin haplotype), greater Sene-Gambian W.Africa region (Senegal haplotype), greater central Africa (Bantu haplotype) or the Cameroon locality (Cameroon haplotype). Adapted from Ragusa et al 1990
We see this in Egypt but not in the Horn and this is out for about 22yrs now before all the hoopla about the Amarna results.
But lets leave the Dna stuff out for a second my original question is why the hostility towards Bantus and don't tell me it's because they are trying to steal ancient Kemet I could careless if I have any dna going back to Kemet It's enough for that they are Africans,I do not know if any of the folks working for the labs are Bantus and Ragusa above sure don't look like a Bantu or Beninese name.
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It is utterly amazing and sad when you have a forum with many Africans typically battling on the same side, only to find that among you there is this hidden belief that some Africans are better than others.
The DNATribe results is very positive for Africans in general, yet there are many people who refuse to accept it due to WHICH African group is the closes.
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quote:It is utterly amazing and sad when you have a forum with many Africans typically battling on the same side, only to find that among you there is this hidden belief that some Africans are better than others. The DNATribe results is very positive for Africans in general, yet there are many people who refuse to accept it due to WHICH African group is the closes.
Couldn't agree more,instead of setting up a scenario where Africans can cooperate to the benefit of all they want to devolve themselves into tribalism, ethnocentrism,regionalism,take the example of Manu he is out trying to build a Hamitic union,but based on what!! a played out debunked theory of Hamitic superiority aka the original black white man,checkout the convoluted post by Useless Man above..although in his case he is just Trolling.
Manu made mention of Hutu's slaughtering Tutis on eye balling but who created that mind set in the first?? non other then the Belgians with their pre Nazi ideology,before them the class system was based on social mobility,but After the Belgians convinced the Tutsi they are better and gave them privileges over the Hutu class, they turned their backs on them when they wanted independence and backed the former lower class Hutus, this culminated in the mass murder some yrs back..both Hutus and Tutsi are Bantu in both language and culture,as a matter of fact the Hutu murderers had to check Id's to be sure who is whom.
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Does the clown user man realise his post only conveys old outdated theories? Based on unrealistic notions, he doesn't even post full studies. Merely some line-quotations here and there. lol
Perhaps you don't know, but the modern-day Leventin is only of recent times. They entered the Levant only 2000-1.500 BC.
Certainly during the time when they entered the Levant, from the Northern regions like the Crescent as they just came out of the ice age, they were cold adapted people and not warm/ tropical adapted people like the ancient Egyptians, who came from the Sahal and Sahara regions.
The ancient Levantin population stems from Africa, and goes back 33.0000 BC. With several streams aftherwards like the Natufians etc...
The Upper Palaeolithic Lithic Industry of Nazlet Khater 4 (Egypt): Implications for the Stone Age/Palaeolithic of Northeastern Africa
Authors: Leplongeon, Alice1; Pleurdeau, David2 Source: African Archaeological Review, Volume 28, Number 3, September 2011, pp. 213-236(24)
Abstract:
Between Marine Isotope Stage (MIS) 4 and 2, Northeast Africa witnessed migrations of Homo sapiens into Eurasia.
"Within the context of the aridification of the Sahara, the Nile Valley probably offered a very attractive corridor into Eurasia."
This region and this period are therefore central for the (pre)history of the out-of-Africa peopling of modern humans.
However, there are very few sites from the beginning of the Upper Palaeolithic that document these migration events. In Egypt, the site of Nazlet Khater 4 (NK4), which is related to ancient H. sapiens quarrying activities, is one of them.
Its lithic assemblage shows an important laminar component, and this, associated with its chronological position (ca. 33 ka), means that the site is the most ancient Upper Palaeolithic sites of this region.
The detailed study of the Nazlet Khater 4 lithic material shows that blade production (volumetric reduction) is also associated with flake production (surface reduction). This technological duality addresses the issue of direct attribution of NK4 to the Upper Palaeolithic.
One of the oldest remains from Upper Egypt, shows strong sub-Saharan affinities, and early northern Egypt also shows sub-Saharan affinities through cultural traits- the 'Nubian complex' of technology and production.
"The morphometric affinities of the 33,000 year old skeleton from Nazlet Khater, Upper Egypt are examined using multivariate statistical procedures..
The results indicate a strong association between some of the sub-Saharan Middle Stone Age (MSA) specimens, and the Nazlet Khater mandible. Furthermore, the results suggest that variability between African populations during the Neolithic and Protohistoric periods was more pronounced than the range of variability observed among recent African and Levantine populations." (PINHASI Ron, SEMAL Patrick (2000).
The position of the Nazlet Khater specimen among prehistoric and modern African and Levantine populations. Journal of human evolution. 2000, vol. 39, no3, pp. 269-288 )
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Some of the most important evidence of early man in Nubia was discovered recently by an expedition of the Royal Ontario Museum, Toronto, under the direction of Dr. Kryzstof Grzymski, on the east bank of the Nile, about 70 miles (116 km) south of Dongola, Sudan. During the early 1990's, this team discovered several sites containing hundreds of Paleolithic hand axes. At one site, however, the team identified an apparent stone tool workshop, where thousands of sandstone hand axes and flakes lay on the ground around a row of large stones set in a line, suggesting the remains of a shelter. This seems to be the earliest "habitation" site yet discovered in the Nile Valley and may be up to 70,000 years old.
What the Nubian environment was like throughout these distant times, we cannot know with certainty, but it must have changed many times. For many thousands of years it was probably far different than what it is today. Between about 50,000 to 25,000 years ago, the hand axe gradually disappeared and was replaced with numerous distinctive chipped stone industries that varied from region to region, suggesting the presence in Nubia of many different peoples or tribal groups dwelling in close proximity to each other. When we first encounter skeletal remains in Nubia, they are those of modern man: homo sapiens.
Nubia's Oldest Battle?
From about 25,000 to 8,000 years ago, the environment gradually evolved to its present state. From this phase several very early settlement sites have been identified at the Second Cataract, near the Egypt-Sudan border. These appear to have been used seasonally by people leading a semi-nomadic existence. The people hunted, fished, and ground wild grain. The first cemeteries also appear, suggesting that people may have been living at least partly sedentary lives. One cemetery site at Jebel Sahaba, near Wadi Halfa, Sudan, contained a number of bodies that had suffered violent deaths and were buried in a mass grave. This suggests that people, even 10,000 years ago, had begun to compete with each other for resources and were willing to kill each other to control them.
Busharia reveals the precocious appearance of pottery on the African continent around the 9th millennium B.C.
The site of Busharia is located near the desert, at the edge of the alluvial plain and near an old Nile channel. It reveals the remains of human occupation at the onset of the Holocene. The settlement is rather eroded, only a few artefacts, ostrich egg fragments and extremely old ceramic sherds remain. These sherds date to circa 8200 B.C. The ceramic assemblage is homogenous, which suggests the existence of a single occupation phase. The decorations and the use of the return technique, common in the central Sahara around the 6th millennium B.C., are unique in this Nubian context for such an early period.
Remains discovered on site suggest the existence of a semi-sedentary population living from hunting, fishing, and the gathering of wild plants. A trial trench and a small-scale excavation were conducted on this Mesolithic site; however, it is impossible to obtain at present a better understanding of the context related to the first ceramics in the region. As this site is located near cultivated zones, it is thus threatened with short-term destruction.
Three scale models—of the Mesolithic hut of el-Barga ( 7500 B.C. ), the proto-urban agglomeration of the Pre-Kerma (3000 B.C.) and the ancient city of Kerma (2500-1500 B.C.)—give a glimpse of the world of the living. They show the evolution of settlements for each of the key periods in Nubian history. Huts indicate the birth of a sedentary way of life, the agglomeration confirms the settling of populations on a territory and the capital of the Kingdom of Kerma marks the culmination of the complexification of Nubian architecture with its ever more monumental constructions. The three models were created in Switzerland by Hugo Lienhard and were installed in the museum in January 2009.
Wadi el-Arab reveals an almost continuous series of settlement remains spanning two millennia as well as the first Neolithic burials known in Africa.
This site is located today in a desert region. Discovered in 2005, it has been under excavation since 2006. This is an open-air site occupied on several occasions during a period between 8300 and 6600 B.C. Its inhabitants then lived in a rather wooded environment, living on fishing, hunting and gathering.
The site reveals numerous flint tools and flakes, grinding stone fragments, ceramic sherds, ostrich eggshell beads, shells and mollusc remains, fish vertebrae and faunal remains. Rare domesticated ox bones were discovered and dated to circa 7000 B.C. This discovery is important for the question regarding the origin of animal domestication in Africa because it reinforces the idea of a local domestication of African oxen from aurochs living in the Nile Valley.
During the 2006-2007 campaign, six burial pits were excavated in three different areas. Dated to between 7000 and 6600, these burials are the first known Neolithic burials on the African continent.
The Upper Palaeolithic Lithic Industry of Nazlet Khater 4 (Egypt): Implications for the Stone Age/Palaeolithic of Northeastern Africa
Authors: Leplongeon, Alice1; Pleurdeau, David2 Source: African Archaeological Review, Volume 28, Number 3, September 2011, pp. 213-236(24)
Abstract:
Between Marine Isotope Stage (MIS) 4 and 2, Northeast Africa witnessed migrations of Homo sapiens into Eurasia. Within the context of the aridification of the Sahara, the Nile Valley probably offered a very attractive corridor into Eurasia. This region and this period are therefore central for the (pre)history of the out-of-Africa peopling of modern humans. However, there are very few sites from the beginning of the Upper Palaeolithic that document these migration events. In Egypt, the site of Nazlet Khater 4 (NK4), which is related to ancient H. sapiens quarrying activities, is one of them. Its lithic assemblage shows an important laminar component, and this, associated with its chronological position (ca. 33 ka), means that the site is the most ancient Upper Palaeolithic sites of this region. The detailed study of the Nazlet Khater 4 lithic material shows that blade production (volumetric reduction) is also associated with flake production (surface reduction). This technological duality addresses the issue of direct attribution of NK4 to the Upper Palaeolithic.
Many of them, like userman, don't know that Nubia is at the South of Egypt. And the South is where Egyptian culture arose and spread to the North. This evidence is overwhelming.
The Soutern part is the root of the Nile Valley culture.
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Sudan falls within three climatic zones. The northern half of the country falls within the tropical climate zone.
The weather is hot and dry throughout the year.
The largest desert in the world Sahara covers most of northern Sudan.
- A typical town in the Sudanese tropics is Wadi Halfa. It is situated near the border with Egypt and has a typical desert climate.
-The temperature ranging is from 24°С in January to 41°С in June.
-Nighttime temperatures are low during the winter - about 10°С, but may become also much lower.
-During the summer months the weather is warm even at night, about 25°С.
These extreme climatical changes are what causes physical appearance to adapt. Leading to Northeast Africans phenotypes, yet stayed tropical in body portions.
The nubian mesolithic: A consideration of the Wadi Halfa remains
References and further reading may be available for this article. To view references and further reading you must purchase this article.
Meredith F. Small* et al.
Morphological variation of the skeletal remains of ancient Nubia has been traditionally explained as a product of multiple migrations into the Nile Valley.
In contrast, various researchers have noted a continuity in craniofacial variation from Mesolithic through Neolithic times.
This apparent continuity could be explained by in situ cultural evolution producing shifts in selective pressures which may act on teeth, the facial complex, and the cranial vault.
A series of 13 Mesolithic skulls from Wadi Halfa, Sudan, are compared to Nubian Neolithic remains by means of extended canonical analysis.
Results support recent research which suggests consistent trends of facial reduction and cranial vault expansion from Mesolithic through Neolithic times.
From about 20,000 BCE, there are further refinements in stone technology. Very specialized tools appeared, including arrowheads, fishhooks, grindstones, and awls. These most refined of stone implements have the generic name 'microlithic.' This era of the late Paleolithic also saw the development of complex composite tools such as bows and arrows. As well, fishing equipment, including boats, and even pottery appeared in some environmental niches. As tools became more specialized and finely made, local variations, including stylistic ones, became more and more the rule...
From the standpoint of African history the most important development of the late Stone Age was the emergence of more settled ('sedentary') societies. These probably developed first along the banks of the Upper Nile in the Cataracts region, in modern day southern Egypt and northern Sudan (ancient Nubia). Evidence of barley harvesting there dates from as early as 16,000 BCE. The ability to make greater use of abundant wild grains, probably coupled with greater exploitation of aquatic resources, led to a more settled existence for some people. These more sedentary peoples were a part of what is now known collectively as the African Aquatic Culture/ Tradition. This way of life spread from the Upper Nile into a much larger area of Africa during the last great wet phase of African climate history, which began about 9,000 and peaked about 7,000 BCE. The higher rainfall levels of the period created numerous very large shallow lakes across what are now the arid southern borderlands of the Sahara desert. Inhabitants of shore communities crafted microlithic tools to exploit a marine environment: fishing and trapping aquatic animals. This provided abundant food supplies, particularly high in protein and supported the earliest known permanent settlements. Culturally and linguistically related peoples ancestral to modern Black Africans established settlements throughout this vast, ancient great lakes area. It is theorized that they spoke the mother Nilo-Saharan tongue. Sophisticated water-related technologies supported not only the development of settled communities, but also the invention of things like pottery, which were formerly thought to be associated exclusively with the Food Production Revolution of the later New Stone Age, or Neolithic. While the African aquatic tradition itself lasted only until the beginning of the modern drier period, around 3,000 BCE, its legacy has been felt ever since.
Basil Davidson, Africa in History (1975)
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DNA analysis shows that Egyptians group with African peoples from the Sudan, Ethiopia, East Africa and parts of Cameroon, not with Europe or the Middle East.
*Notes on E-M78 and Rosa DNA study linking Egyptians with East and Central Africans. DNA study (Rosa et al. 2007) groups Egyptians with East and Central Africans. Other DNA studies link these peoples together. Quote:“the majority of Y chromosomes found in populations in Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia and Oromos in Somalia and North Kenya (Boranas) belong to haplogroup E3b1 defined by the Y chromosome marker M78“(Sanchez 2005). Codes: Egy=Egypt. Or= Oromo, Ethiopia. Am=Amahara, Ethiopia. Sud=Sudan. FCA=Cameroon. Maa= Massai, Kenya. Note: Eighty (80)% or more of the haplotypes in Cameroon are of West African origin (Rosa et al. 2007, Cerny et al. 2006). Ethiopia, Cameroon and most of the Sudan is located below the Sahara, and thus sub-Saharan.-- Rosa, et al.(2007) Y-chromosomal diversity in the population of Guinea-Bissau. BMC Evolutionary Biology. 7:124
Comparisons of linear body proportions of Old Kingdom and non-Old Kingdom period individuals, and workers and high officials in our sample found no statistically significant differences among them. Zakrzewski (2003) also found little evidence for differences in linear body proportions of Egyptians over a wider temporal range. In general, recent studies of skeletal variation among ancient Egyptians support scenarios of biological continuity through time. Irish (2006) analyzed quantitative and qualitative dental traits of 996 Egyptians from Neolithic through Roman periods, reporting the presence of a few outliers but concluding that the dental samples appear to be largely homogeneous and that the affinities observed indicate overall biological uniformity and continuity from Predynastic through Dynastic and Postdynastic periods.
Zakrzewski (2007) provided a comprehensive summary of previous Egyptian craniometric studies and examined Egyptian crania from six time periods. She found that the earlier samples were relatively more homogeneous in comparison to the later groups. However, overall results indicated genetic continuity over the Egyptian Predynastic and Early Dynastic periods, albeit with a high level of genetic diversity within the population, suggesting an indigenous process of state formation. She also concluded that while the biological patterning of the Egyptian population varied across time, no consistent temporal or spatial trends are apparent. Thus, the stature estimation formulae developed here may be broadly applicable to all ancient Egyptian populations..".
("Stature estimation in ancient Egyptians: A new technique based on anatomical reconstruction of stature." Michelle H. Raxter, Christopher B. Ruff, Ayman Azab, Moushira Erfan, Muhammad Soliman, Aly El-Sawaf,(Am J Phys Anthropol. 2008, Jun;136(2):147-55
AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY 121:219–229 (2003)
Variation in Ancient Egyptian Stature and Body Proportions Sonia R. Zakrzewski* Department of Archaeology, University of Southampton, Southampton SO17 1BF, UK
'The ancient Egyptians have been described as having a “ Negroid” body plan (Robins, 1983).
Variations in the proximal to distal segments of each limb were therefore examined. Of the ratios considered, only maximum humerus length to maximum ulna length (XLH/XLU) showed statistically significant change through time.
This change was a relative decrease in the length of the humerus as compared with the ulna, suggesting the development of an increasingly African body plan with time.
This may also be the result of Nubian mercenaries being included in the sample from Gebelein.
The nature of the body plan was also investigated by comparing the intermembral, brachial, and crural indices for these samples with values obtained from the literature. No significant differences were found in either index through time for either sex. The raw values in Table 6 suggest that Egyptians had the “ super-Negroid ” body plan described by Robins (1983). The values for the brachial and crural indices show that the distal segments of each limb are longer relative to the proximal segments than in many “African” populations (data from Aiello and Dean, 1990). This pattern is supported by Figure 7 (a plot of population mean femoral and tibial lengths; data from Ruff, 1994), which indicates that the Egyptians generally have tropical body plans. Of the Egyptian samples, only the Badarian and Early Dynastic period populations have shorter tibiae than predicted from femoral length. Despite these differences, all samples lie relatively clustered together as compared to the other populations.'
quote:Originally posted by userman: Both of you people are Pathetic Losers
Ancient Egyptians Are Neither West Africans Nor East Africans.
They're North Africans and Their Greatest Link Is To The Levantine Region as confirmed by the DNA Tribes Folks.
EGYPTIANS ARE 57% LEVANTINE.
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Genetic analysis: Genetic contributions to Egypt from 32 world regions and thirteen Europa subregions 3 presently identified by DNA Tribes® analysis were estimated . Results are illustrated in Figure 2 and summarized in Table 1 below. Discussion: Results in Table 1 indicate the largest genetic contribution to Egypt from the local Levantine genetic region (57.6%), which also characterizes neighboring populations on the eastern shores of the Mediterranean Sea. In addition, results identified contributions from the North African region to the west (15.8%), East African region to the south (8.8%), and Arabian region to the southeast (8.3%). These observations are consistent with contacts with neighboring peoples of Africa and the Arabian Peninsula. Also identified was a substantial East Asian contribution (8.7%). This might reflect periods of conquest by empires with links to nomadic
Correction according to DNA Tribes MODERN Egyptians are 'Levantine' but look at what they found about ancient royal Egyptians.
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What the hell is so "dreaded" about the Bantu??! LMAO
It seems the Bantu have been denigrated to the point of a "true negro" pariah. It is ridiculous.
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Any tests done on ancient mummies that are thousands of years old, must taken with a grain of salt. Also, what many Afronuts don't realize is that these results could be inaccurate due to the low number of markers tested (eight). You need at least 15 markers for a better read.
Dumb Muktaba! If the DNA wasn't good they wouldn't bother doing the testing in the first place! Also, even 8 loci are enough to give a general idea. If more were tested there would be a narrowing down but the fact that these 8 all show inner African is what matters!
The so-called 'Levantine' chart you parade is what's questionable because Egypt has experienced many invasions and immigrations from the Levant from post-dynastic and especially Islamic times, yet you expect this to reflect the gene pool of dynastic Egyptians but not actual royals from that time period??! LMAOPosts: 26238 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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I have always thought that the statues of Egyptians typically appeared with more bantu features, with broad noses and thick lips.
Why is it so hard to believe that bantus may have had a hand in Anicent Egypt. Why is it so hard to stomach Kokakola?
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quote:Originally posted by HabariTess: I have always thought that the statues of Egyptians typically appeared with more bantu features, with broad noses and thick lips.
Why is it so hard to believe that bantus may have had a hand in Anicent Egypt. Why is it so hard to stomach Kokakola?
LMAO hard to stomach..really hun? Dont worry...im more related to the Ancient Egyptians than any of you will ever be.
3rd pic is FAKE btw...
There is no bantu in north east africa..
The Nile is not just a river in Africa.
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Kookoo is right. There are no Bantu in northeast Africa unless you include the Somali Bantu of southern Somalia. Either way, there is no such thing as "Bantu features" because Bantu is a language group! There are Bantu speakers with narrow features yet that does not make them less Bantu.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Kookoo is right. There are no Bantu in northeast Africa unless you include the Somali Bantu of southern Somalia. Either way, there is no such thing as "Bantu features" because Bantu is a language group! There are Bantu speakers with narrow features yet that does not make them less Bantu.
Never said there were Bantus in northeast Africa. I should clarify the "Bantu" features and should say features commonly found in the Bantu speaking people of South Africa.
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quote:Kookoo is right. There are no Bantu in northeast Africa unless you include the Somali Bantu of southern Somalia. Either way, there is no such thing as "Bantu features" because Bantu is a language group! There are Bantu speakers with narrow features yet that does not make them less Bantu.
Minor correction, non linguistically speaking but their genetic stuff shows up in Egypt, and for all you language junkies out there maybe it's time to reflect on what Diop said yrs ago that the Kemites made use of Bantu prefix,I know some had poopooed it but in view of the recent finding and not so recent the map above is 22yrs old,it deserves reveiw.
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^^Anansi, we can't use genetic data to support a linguistic point nor vice versa. The linguistic argument has to stand on its own. If both linguistic and genetic data point in the same direction then we can use them both to make a larger point.
Anyway, these fools are will not be swayed by reason so why even argue with them. The dnatribes results were specific to 7 AE's yet these fools are getting in a tiff because omg the study is supposedly saying all AE's are related to "bantus". Smh. I have my reservations about the study but these fools just seem to have a problem with bantus.
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I Know Africurious I am looking at this from a multi disciplinary P.O.V not just language but cultural practices as well, and yeah just look how they loss their gotdamn minds over one family found to be carrying Bantu genetic stuff,for them there is series of 100 great walls of China separating Kemet from West Africa and the dreaded Bantus,East Africa and West Africa is torn asunder and never the two shall meet, they have built careers,planned political structures in the case of Manu around this frankly bogus idea which is now crashing down around their heads, for if even one family is ultimately of Bantu origins then their goes their world view.
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OP,this thread is timely! We sometimes focus on demolishing Eurocentric myths and overlook our very own INTRA AFRICAN racism. Normally,this takes the form of horners,especially Somalis talking **** about everyone else. Unfortunately the false idea of racial supweriotity is spreading. Tutsis,thanks to their false cloak of 'genocide survivors'now identify with the fake Jews. It would be hilarious,if it weren't all so pitiful.
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The plot also includes African “Bantu” forces who have allied themselves with the Hutu. In particular, he singles out the South African “Bantu” Army sent by Nelson Mandela to Burundi. With their dollars they buy the sexual favors of Tutsi women or take them by force. The result is that the virus which causes AIDS has spread from South Africa, where it is widespread to the Tutsi, where it was unknown.
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IDK,what happened to the quote. Here it is. Fyi,the world is getting tired of the Tutsi genocide porn. The PTB know who killed who in 94 and are now losing patience with the continous genocide stories. When that happens our Central African Caucasians,lol,will realise the hard way,the Ice People are ruthless when they finding others to carry out their bidding.
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kikuyu22 The attempt at genocide is not some thing to be tired of,that was pure evil in a world that had lost it's fuking mind,it will take centuries to get over this if ever and it will spawn all kinds of crazy reactions.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: for them there is series of 100 great walls of China separating Kemet from West Africa and the dreaded Bantus,East Africa and West Africa is torn asunder and never the two shall meet, they have built careers,planned political structures in the case of Manu around this frankly bogus idea which is now crashing down around their heads, for if even one family is ultimately of Bantu origins then their goes their world view.
Anansi, Manu is the one who runs that hamitic site? If so, that would explain a lot.
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Manu is an Arabian probably of Yemeni decent.
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quote:Originally posted by userman: Both of you people are Pathetic Losers
Ancient Egyptians Are Neither West Africans Nor East Africans.
They're North Africans and Their Greatest Link Is To The Levantine Region as confirmed by the DNA Tribes Folks.
EGYPTIANS ARE 57% LEVANTINE.
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Genetic analysis: Genetic contributions to Egypt from 32 world regions and thirteen Europa subregions 3 presently identified by DNA Tribes® analysis were estimated . Results are illustrated in Figure 2 and summarized in Table 1 below. Discussion: Results in Table 1 indicate the largest genetic contribution to Egypt from the local Levantine genetic region (57.6%), which also characterizes neighboring populations on the eastern shores of the Mediterranean Sea. In addition, results identified contributions from the North African region to the west (15.8%), East African region to the south (8.8%), and Arabian region to the southeast (8.3%). These observations are consistent with contacts with neighboring peoples of Africa and the Arabian Peninsula. Also identified was a substantial East Asian contribution (8.7%). This might reflect periods of conquest by empires with links to nomadic
Correction according to DNA Tribes MODERN Egyptians are 'Levantine' but look at what they found about ancient royal Egyptians.
Good post Djehuti some people are always confusing modern peoples of Egypt and the Near East with ancient ones. Its like a mental block.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: kikuyu22 The attempt at genocide is not some thing to be tired of,that was pure evil in a world that had lost it's fuking mind,it will take centuries to get over this if ever and it will spawn all kinds of crazy reactions.
Brada,I've been to Kigali twice and heard 2 counterfactual arguments: -more Hutus than Tutsis died -the whole 'genocide'was actually an RPF plot to take power I heard this from both Hutus and Tutsis. So when the latter dress themselves up as nonexistant 'death camp'survivors carrying out atrocities on 'Bantus' they view as inferior I take a very dim view.
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quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: Good post Djehuti some people are always confusing modern peoples of Egypt and the Near East with ancient ones. Its like a mental block.
Now I'm still pretty new at this, but don't studies imply genetic continuity between Ancient and Modern Egyptians? How come then, the genetics say things like 57% Levantine??? What evidence for large migrations into Egypt to produce such admixture is there? BTW on the subject whats the significance between upper and lower Egypt?
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quote:Brada,I've been to Kigali twice and heard 2 counterfactual arguments: -more Hutus than Tutsis died -the whole 'genocide'was actually an RPF plot to take power I heard this from both Hutus and Tutsis. So when the latter dress themselves up as nonexistant 'death camp'survivors carrying out atrocities on 'Bantus' they view as inferior I take a very dim view.
Two things I have never been to Kigali but I have spoken to folks from Rwanda and they pretty much back-up what I was witnessing in media and yes Hutus were killed either as collaborators or as Tutsi's looka like. Second thing It maybe a typo but you just repeat the same nonsense as those who came up with the Hamitic term that eventually cause atrocity in the first place as both Hutus and Tutsi are Bantu.
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quote:Brada,I've been to Kigali twice and heard 2 counterfactual arguments: -more Hutus than Tutsis died -the whole 'genocide'was actually an RPF plot to take power I heard this from both Hutus and Tutsis. So when the latter dress themselves up as nonexistant 'death camp'survivors carrying out atrocities on 'Bantus' they view as inferior I take a very dim view.
Two things I have never been to Kigali but I have spoken to folks from Rwanda and they pretty much back-up what I was witnessing in media and yes Hutus were killed either as collaborators or as Tutsi's looka like. Second thing It maybe a typo but you just repeat the same nonsense as those who came up with the Hamitic term that eventually cause atrocity in the first place as both Hutus and Tutsi are Bantu.
Brada,trust me. More Hutus than Tutsis died. It was sparked off by the downing of Habyarimana's jet. Museveni delayed him and the Hutu Burundian prez in Kampala on their return from the Arusha accords which were a straight out Tutsi power grab assisted by the West. The RPF shot down the jet. It has been proven,but the world prefers to follow the fiction that Habyarimana's own widow and hardline Hutus did it. The Tutsis themselves have unfortunately,due largely to this event internalised strange Eurocentric notions we fight here on ES. I've heard them with my own ears say the Hutus followed them from Ethiopia because as farmers they needed the cowdung of their cattle!?
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quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: Good post Djehuti some people are always confusing modern peoples of Egypt and the Near East with ancient ones. Its like a mental block.
Now I'm still pretty new at this, but don't studies imply genetic continuity between Ancient and Modern Egyptians? How come then, the genetics say things like 57% Levantine??? What evidence for large migrations into Egypt to produce such admixture is there? BTW on the subject whats the significance between upper and lower Egypt?
Oshun - why should not modern Egyptians many of whom still look like their great lakes black African ancestors (especially in southern or Upper Egypt) not have great lakes black African genes. No one is saying the gene pool of Pharaonic Africans has completely disappeared from Egypt and North Africa. If you do not know the difference between upper (southern) and lower (northern) Egypt (Cairo/Alexandria etc) maybe you need to watch the video below and go back and look at the numerous postings on this site by Ausar, myself and others on the numerous documentation on the influxes of Levantese and Turkish and other non-African peoples that have taken place into northern Egypt which like the Arabian peninsula has been flooded with foreign immigrants over the last 2000 years. The greatest number in the millions coming in the last 500 years.
The fact that some Egyptians have black Central East African ancestry (which a number of the lighter skinned ones don't wish to acknowledge or recognize) doesn't mean there is not a considerable portion of people of Levantese i.e. Syrian/Syro-Turkish descent in Egypt. There are obviously a larger number of this Syro-Turk group in the north of Egypt than there are in the south (Upper Egypt) today. This however does not say anything about the more African related population that existed before these non-African groups began inundating the north. Of course many of the southern peoples have also migrated to the north in recent decades for the purpose of making a living.
Obviously Egyptians are related in the same way Americans are related. Some are more African in origin, some more European and some more Native American. That doesn't mean the Native Americans didn't exist here before Europeans and most of the modern African American ancestors did. It does not mean just because some Europeans or many black people in America have Native American genes, early Native American Indians looked mostly like Africans and Europeans when the colonial peoples arrived.
Video from Upper Egyptians on the origins of northerners. A classic in my book.lol!
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: Does the clown user man realise his post only conveys old outdated theories? Based on unrealistic notions, he doesn't even post full studies. Merely some line-quotations here and there. lol
Perhaps you don't know, but the modern-day Leventin is only of recent times. They entered the Levant only 2000-1.500 BC.
Troll patrol I am interested in where you got this information of 2000-1500 B.C. That sounds a bit late. They used to say more like during the Ghassulian period. But I won't surprised if this info has been distorted as well.
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