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Horace Campbell along with Maximilian Forte have written extensively on African affairs for many years. Campbell specifically has written books on Southern Africa and is a frequent contributor to Pambazuka--a South African based on-line journal.

Maximilien Forte's--based in a Canadian university--views on the matter are also worthy of note.


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38009.htm.

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Lamin your link does not work so will repost:


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38009.htm

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If the above link doesn't work then try:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38009.htm

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Just watch Horace Campbell from Syracuse just lambaste America and its crude ideas about a Unified Africa.

More then meets the eye in Gaddafi and his killing by the west henchmens.

Gaddafi wanted Africans to stop the dollar and take up Gold and form there own centralized Bank not basically using the American dollar.

That's a no no for the west and US because Africa standing on its own feet, is an Africa that will dominate in the West and the world.

Another thing, America only attacks countries without Nuclear Weapons.

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Maximilian Forte on "post-Gaddafi Libya"


http://zeroanthropology.net/2013/10/20/the-great-nothingness-of-libya-two-years-after-muammar-gaddafi/

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quote:
Originally posted by lamin:
Maximilian Forte on "post-Gaddafi Libya"


http://zeroanthropology.net/2013/10/20/the-great-nothingness-of-libya-two-years-after-muammar-gaddafi/

This part hits home:

To those “socialists” in the West who cheered the Libyan “revolutionaries,” let’s ask them: where do you see socialism in Libya today? To those liberals who spoke of “democracy” and “human rights,” where do you see either of those today? To the advocates of “humanitarian” principles of intervention and “protection,” why did you go so silent after the lights were turned off with Gaddafi’s murder? To those who imagined would-be “massacres” to come that accompanied the demands of British and U.S. altar boys that “Gaddafi had to go,” why does your imagination suddenly fail you when confronted with the actual massacres that you yourselves committed and enabled? To those who claim “lives were saved,” where were you when the bodies began to pile up amidst swarms of flies in blood-stained, abandoned hospitals? When patients in hospitals were gunned down in their beds, and when handcuffed prisoners lying on their stomachs were executed at such close range that the grass beneath their heads was scorched, did you wince? In other words, where do you all see this great “success story” in the charnel house that is now “Libya”?


I guess the Libyans from Tawherga are innocent victims in this fight. An entire City wiped out, Why no cries for them?

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40 000 people displaced and called "slaves"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawergha


Ironlion, Would like your opinion on what happened to the Tawhergans

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quote:
Originally posted by KING:
40 000 people displaced and called "slaves"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawergha


Ironlion, Would like your opinion on what happened to the Tawhergans

The Tawerghans were conned by Gadafi and they committed atrocities with him. So they pay the price...

Here is the current Libyan Prime Minister. Look at him, look at the flag of Marcus Garvey behind him, red, black and green, standing tall in Libya.

A Sanussi Muur.

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Compare him with the megalomaniac half Italian half Turk, Islamic showman called Kadafi, a pimp, a liar and a whore dealer...

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Who owns the land? Who owns the land?

That was why we fought in Libya. The Sanussis are back. Fixed kadafi good good. The Tawerghians were fooled by Kadafi. So they go down with him.

The 10000 careless Ethiopians!

Any Muur questions?

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quote:
Originally posted by KING:
Just watch Horace Campbell from Syracuse just lambaste America and its crude ideas about a Unified Africa.

More then meets the eye in Gaddafi and his killing by the west henchmens.

Gaddafi wanted Africans to stop the dollar and take up Gold and form there own centralized Bank not basically using the American dollar.

That's a no no for the west and US because Africa standing on its own feet, is an Africa that will dominate in the West and the world.

Another thing, America only attacks countries without Nuclear Weapons.

Lol!

Kadafi had 40 years plus to realize those intentions.

The records speak for themselves. Over the 40 years that boi made 40 wars in Africa and left 40 million peoples maimed and destitute.

All he ever was, was an Arabic Ismalist Slave hunter and master.

That was why the informed AAs behind Obama asked him to take the batard out.

Recall Obama hesitate initially, then after deeper consultations, with the records, he knew what to do. He did the right thing and got rid of that evil Army corporal.

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I rather see this:

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Originally posted by Mike111:
Damn - Them (bad-assed) niggers in Libya are amazing me!


Ibrahim Jathran

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than this:

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quote:
Originally posted by lamin:
Maximilian Forte on "post-Gaddafi Libya"


http://zeroanthropology.net/2013/10/20/the-great-nothingness-of-libya-two-years-after-muammar-gaddafi/

Honey

Maximilia and Karl Marx are silly albino dunces. They are now by-gones. The future has come.

Haney, smell the coffee.

I would rather this MUUR:

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Ahmed Zubair al-Senussi, a member of the National Transitional Council, addresses the media after the election

"Al-Senussi said he was elected by 4,000 to 5,000 tribal leaders, politicians, activists and academics who met Tuesday in Benghazi. "All of them agreed on my leadership to lead the region for the time being," he said....."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/06/world/africa/libya-benghazi/

Than this half-baked half-ass, whore selling Italian Batard below:

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Haney,

Gadafi was just a twisted pervert. Good riddance:

Go to Salon and read MUUR about his sexual crimes http://www.salon.com/2013/09/22/muammar_gaddafis_sexual_crimes/ :
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http://www.salon.com/2013/09/22/muammar_gaddafis_sexual_crimes/

http://www.xsouth.com/see-room-gadafi-slept-young-virgin-girls/

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quote:
Originally posted by lamin:
bla...bla...bla... Pambazuka--a South African based on-line journal.

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38009.htm.

Haney,

Here is MUUR news [Razz] from Pampamzuka:

quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
Who killed Tomas Sankara?

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MOMO: My boss told me to approach Sankara for help in taking power in Liberia. In return, he offered lucrative business opportunities. Thomas Sankara told him he was not interested and asked him to leave the country. He told him that he would not help and asked him to find another staging point for his rebellion. Guengere, who is currently Burkina Faso’s minister of defence, Blaise Compaoré, Charles Taylor, and Chad’s current president … you know who he is?

SILVESTRO: Yes.

MOMO: Yes, him too.

SILVESTRO: Yes.

MOMO: They all met in Mauritania for a whole day … after a while they were joined by a white man from Paris. The discussions carried on, and then there was another meeting in Libya, where the Sankara problem was discussed some more. What emerged was that if we were to use Burkina Faso as a launching pad, Sankara had to be eliminated. Blaise Compaoré, would become president, and he would help us…

SILVESTRO: And was Gaddafi okay with the plan?

MOMO: Yes, yes … please remember, this must all remain confidential.

SILVESTRO: Yes, yes…

MOMO: If Gaddafi helped Taylor, and France sent word that they were in support of the coup d’état … better yet, if France provided funds and indicated that they would recognise Compaoré’s government, then all was well. Blaise told Guengere, the current Burkinabe army chief to avail a group of commandos, Taylor provided other troops, and the coup was staged.

http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/58463


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quote:
Originally posted by KING:
...Gaddafi wanted Africans to stop the dollar and take up Gold and form there own centralized Bank not basically using the American dollar.

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Was Gadafi not accepting the Dollar for himself?

Was he not investing Billions and Trillions of Dollar in America, and Europe, buying useless weapons that could not even defend him? Why he never built an arms industry in Libya or elsewhere in Africa since he loved weapons so much?

Was he not pouring African gold into the investment fund he set up in European Banks managed by the Rothschild? Why he never set up his own Bank? Why tell Africans to set up their own banks when he himself was using European banks?

So King, what do you mean by "Gadafi wanted to stop the dollar.." when he was living off the dollar?

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by lamin:
Maximilian Forte on "post-Gaddafi Libya"


http://zeroanthropology.net/2013/10/20/the-great-nothingness-of-libya-two-years-after-muammar-gaddafi/

This part hits home:

To those “socialists” in the West who cheered the Libyan “revolutionaries,” let’s ask them: where do you see socialism in Libya today? To those liberals who spoke of “democracy” and “human rights,” where do you see either of those today? To the advocates of “humanitarian” principles of intervention and “protection,” why did you go so silent after the lights were turned off with Gaddafi’s murder? To those who imagined would-be “massacres” to come that accompanied the demands of British and U.S. altar boys that “Gaddafi had to go,” why does your imagination suddenly fail you when confronted with the actual massacres that you yourselves committed and enabled? To those who claim “lives were saved,” where were you when the bodies began to pile up amidst swarms of flies in blood-stained, abandoned hospitals? When patients in hospitals were gunned down in their beds, and when handcuffed prisoners lying on their stomachs were executed at such close range that the grass beneath their heads was scorched, did you wince? In other words, where do you all see this great “success story” in the charnel house that is now “Libya”?


I guess the Libyans from Tawherga are innocent victims in this fight. An entire City wiped out, Why no cries for them?

King

Find me one prominent Libyan who shares the sentiments of this foolish albino writer that my honey Lamin posted for you?

Just one prominent Libyan... who is crying for Gadafi today.

I am waiting...

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Lamin baby

Don't run now to some dark corner to start crying. Tell me if I am hurting you... and I will go easier, I promise...

IronLion

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Lamin baby,

Time for some MUURISH lessons:


Libya: Indict Muammar Gaddafi now for War Crimes in Sierra Leone.

Published on: Saturday, March 12th, 2011

By Aroun Rashid Deen –

With international pressure already mounting on Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi and with the International Criminal Court now in the process of gathering information on civilian deaths in Libya, the Special Court for Sierra Leone and the International Criminal Court have a profound opportunity to indict Gaddafi for war crimes and crimes against humanity he has committed in Sierra Leone. The United Nations has already sanctioned Gaddafi’s government, and now it’s time his prior crimes in West Africa are brought to justice, too.

Muammar Gaddafi was the mastermind and key financier of the brutal war that left hundreds of thousands dead in Sierra Leone in West Africa in the 1990s. The war would not have happened in the first place had it not been for the desire of the Libyan leader to punish the government of Sierra Leone for what he regarded as its siding with the West in the 1980’s when Gaddafi was at loggerhead with particularly the United States and Britain. It was also part of Gaddafi’s broader agenda including his geopolitical ambition to destabilize much of West Africa and establish satellite states in the region to be headed by puppet regimes that will be doing his biddings. The decade-long war ripped Sierra Leone apart. Thousands of its victims, whose arms and limbs were chopped off by rebels, were reduced to paupers, roaming the streets as beggars in Freetown and other cities. Children as young as a day old were also among those whose arms and limbs were hacked off by Gaddafi’s rebels. Pregnant women, too, were disemboweled with delight in their display of ghastly brutality.

As part of his criminal plans to set West Africa on the warpath, Gaddafi instituted a program of guerilla warfare in Libya for a group of disgruntled West Africans, including a group of Sierra Leoneans he had invited to Tripoli to undergo training. The men who led the war on Sierra Leone — former Liberian leader and warlord, Charles Taylor and Sierra Leone’s rebel leader, Foday Sankoh, and The Gambian Fugitive, Kukoi Samba Sanyang — were among those who trained in Libya.

The ring leaders of the Revolutionary United Front rebel group, which was fighting to overthrow the government of Sierra Leone, also received massive financial support from Libya through Gaddafi’s People’s Revolutionary Council.

Long before the government of Sierra Leone and the United Nations jointly set up the Special Court for Sierra Leone to prosecute key suspects of the war for war crimes and crimes against humanity, calls have been made for Gaddafi to face international justice for his role in Sierra Leone — like Charles Taylor now in The Hague. An opposition leader in Sierra Leone, Charles Margai, who was one of the strong advocates for Gaddafi’s indictment, was incensed when Gaddafi visited the country in 2007. In a BBC interview, he called on Sierra Leoneans to boycott the reception that was hosted for him at the national stadium.

David Crane, the first Chief Prosecutor at the Special Court, considered indicting the Libyan dictator. The former prosecutor, who now teaches law at Syracuse University, says that the direct participation of the Libyan leader in the wars in both Sierra Leone and Liberia caused the “murder, rape, maiming, and mutilation of over a million human beings…” But calls for justice were not heeded because it appears principle Western nations developed a fondness for Mr. Gaddafi following his so-called positive gestures, such as his abandoning of WMD programs.

In January 2004, former French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin was quick to express hope that French firms would participate fully in business activities in Libya. This followed Libya’s signing of a deal to pay $170 million to relatives of French victims of a UTA French airliner bombing in 1989, which was blamed on Libya. Current French President Nicolas Sarkozy also went to Tripoli in July 2007.

The greatest irony of it all is that Sierra Leone and Liberia never got compensations from Libya for the untold suffering, infrastructural damage and needless loss of lives even though evidence suggests that he was the master-mind of the carnage.

Then British Prime Minister, Tony Blair, met Gaddafi in Tripoli in 2004. The meeting was christened with the signing of a deal by oil giant, Shell, estimated at hundreds of millions of British pound sterling for gas exploration rights off the Libyan coast.

In August 2008, Italy’s Prime Minister, Silvio Berlusconi visited Libya and signed a $5 billion dollars investment deal with Gaddafi. Condoleezza Rice, the former US Secretary of State has also been to Libya where she met with the controversial Gaddafi.

The Libyan leader’s promise to, at the least, pay compensations to relatives of his brutal crimes as well as his giving up of his WMDs were welcome news in a world — particularly in Europe — that confronts many terrorists activities. Oil supplies from Libya mean much to the West. But appeasing the West should not stand in the way for justice for Sierra Leone, just so because it is not an affluent country endowed with oil deposits.

Up till now, Gaddafi’s relations with the West were getting cozier by the day. His brutal treatment of peaceful protesters — who seek nothing more than just a political change that guarantees freedom and better living standards — shows clearly that Gaddafi is too grown to learn new tricks. He is fundamental in his choice to resorting to brutality as a means of addressing challenges.

Muammar Gaddafi bears the greatest responsibility for the brutality in Sierra Leone. The Sierra Leone Truth and Reconciliation Commission set up at the end of the war found out that Libya contributed in a significant way to the chaos and mayhem that engulfed the country. Mr. Gaddafi’s role in the training in Libya and financing of the rebels justify his direct involvement in the mayhem. Such key roles deserve more than mere naming and shaming.


The desire for a share of Libyan oil or business prospect should not rub leading international policy makers of their moral responsibility to let Mr. Gaddafi account for his brutal misdeeds.

Gaddafi’s hatred for Sierra Leone goes back to the early 1980’s when then President of Sierra Leone, Siaka Stevens, in November 1982, boycotted an Organization of African Unity conference Libya was scheduled to host. The 1982 conference lacked a quorum due to the absence of many heads of state as a result of controversies surrounding Gaddafi’s role in the rebellions that were going on in Africa at the time. Gaddafi must not go unpunished. What was good for the British and French must be good for Sierra Leoneans too.


By

Aroun Rashid Deen a journalist from Sierra Leone. He is a freelance writer in the United States. He lives in New York City. arounrash@hotmail.com ard228@nyu.edu


http://www.shout-africa.com/top-story/libya-indict-muammar-gaddafi-now-for-war-crimes-in-sierra-leone/

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Charles Taylor and Foday Sankoh, were trained and armed by Libya. In Liberia, Taylor slashed and burned an entire country -- and recruited an army of child soldiers to join him. In Sierra Leone, Sankoh's Revolutionary United Front soldiers savagely chopped off limbs and raped their way through villages. So integral was the Libyan leader's involvement that the Special Court for Sierra Leone reportedly considered indicting him.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/03/25/all_the_colonels_kings

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