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African Negroes are the only humans without the Neandertal gene. Could this explain why historically, outside Africa, was found advance civilization? Is there a correlation between high intelligence and the Neandertal gene?
quote:Originally posted by Break-the-bull: ^They live in the people that dominate you.
If they were mentally superior they would be alive and dominating over whites and everyone else because they aren't some diluted version of "superior" genes and intellect--they'd be the real thing. The fact that the purest of lineages are gone suggests that they were not a "superior" people.
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quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: African Negroes are the only humans without the Neandertal gene. Could this explain why historically, outside Africa, was found advance civilization? Is there a correlation between high intelligence and the Neandertal gene?
You are saying this to a community of people who think that the Negroes of Africa originated not only Egyptian civilization but that of all other civilizations around the world.
An Afrocentric would simply think that Neanderthals were incapable of advance civilization and that it is why Black Africans had to teach the world civilization in the first place.
Gesh, why would you want to stir up such a debate unless you just want attention
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Shouldn't have posted here.
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Question. Why are people responding to a thread created by ConfirmingIdiocy?? As usual the thread is idiotic. It claims Neanderthal genes as responsible for advanced civilizations when neanderthals only inhabited Europe and northern parts of Southwest Asia. This means the vast majority of Eurasians in Asia and the Americas don't have the neanderthal gene (and that is assuming Euros do).
As far as Africa is concerned, obviously the nitwit forgot about Egypt, Nubia, and the other advanced cultures of the continent.
Civilization in Europe only began once they attained agriculture which was introduced to Europe, whereas Africa and other regions of the world including Oceania independently domesticated crops on their own. Why is that?
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So let me get this straight. Whites dominate from 1800 to present day and now magically they represent high culture and civilization? *chuckle*
If this were true, why do we find no high civilization in western Europe proper prior to the Greeks and Romans? Before that they were savages, living in caves and mating with animals (neanderthals).
Greece wasn't all that bright and admitted they got their info from Africans (Egypt and Ethiopia/Ta-seti/Kush). The Elamites with their city state were also black Africans. So, truly, what have whites done other than put those who naturally rule by nature to sleep for the time being? Slavery, we taught whites that. We took them by the boat loads into Africa. Science, religion we taught them that too. But this is besides the point. We have to get past this ignorance and move on to moving humanity forward.
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And look at how fast they wrested control over the world in a relatively short period of time. How do you account for this?
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: So let me get this straight. Whites dominate from 1800 to present day and now magically they represent high culture and civilization? *chuckle*
If this were true, why do we find no high civilization in western Europe proper prior to the Greeks and Romans? Before that they were savages, living in caves and mating with animals (neanderthals).
Greece wasn't all that bright and admitted they got their info from Africans (Egypt and Ethiopia/Ta-seti/Kush). The Elamites with their city state were also black Africans. So, truly, what have whites done other than put those who naturally rule by nature to sleep for the time being? Slavery, we taught whites that. We took them by the boat loads into Africa. Science, religion we taught them that too. But this is besides the point. We have to get past this ignorance and move on to moving humanity forward.
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: And look at how fast they wrested control over the world in a relatively short period of time. How do account for this?
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: So let me get this straight. Whites dominate from 1800 to present day and now magically they represent high culture and civilization? *chuckle*
If this were true, why do we find no high civilization in western Europe proper prior to the Greeks and Romans? Before that they were savages, living in caves and mating with animals (neanderthals).
Greece wasn't all that bright and admitted they got their info from Africans (Egypt and Ethiopia/Ta-seti/Kush). The Elamites with their city state were also black Africans. So, truly, what have whites done other than put those who naturally rule by nature to sleep for the time being? Slavery, we taught whites that. We took them by the boat loads into Africa. Science, religion we taught them that too. But this is besides the point. We have to get past this ignorance and move on to moving humanity forward.
again you can not be this stupid. Ta-seti/Ethiopia/Kush/Egypt had control over the world for 4,000 years AT THE LEAST.
Europe was controlled by Africans (moors) for 1,000 years. Rome only lasted for what, 500/600 years if I remember right. Now eastern Europeans and their descendants have had control since 1800 or so. That is NOT that long. You people make me laugh with your Google knowledge and revisionist history.
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^ TypeZeiss Why in the world do you waste your time arguing with a white supremacist?? It's like teaching arithmetic to a slug. The guy is a loser who relies on 'whiteness' to compensate for his shortcomings. That is all. No amount of historical or scientific data will change him or his notions. LET HIM BE in his madness. Don't get dragged into it yourself!
Note Marc Washington is the black version of Confirming Idiocy. He is a loser who relies on race and in his case blackness to the point he will now usurp Neanderthals (the proto-Europeans BEFORE modern human Europeans) as "negroid" now the same way Confirming Idiocy labels high cultured Africans as cacasoid. Low self-esteem and ignorance knows no color. Posts: 26322 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: African Negroes are the only humans without the Neandertal gene. Could this explain why historically, outside Africa, was found advance civilization? Is there a correlation between high intelligence and the Neandertal gene?
First of all, it's Neanderthal. Dumb cave dweller!
Secondly, we have always learned for decades the neanderthaler was savage. Until they found neanderthal genetic material in Europeans. Then all of a sudden Neanderthal's became inteligent and cultivated. lol
Augustin F.C. Holl et al.
Museum of Anthropology, The University of Michigan, 2009.
Coping with uncertainty: Neolithic life in the Dhar Tichitt-Walata, Mauritania, (ca. 4000–2300 BP)
Abstract
The sandstone escarpment of the Dhar Tichitt in South-Central Mauritania was inhabited by Neolithic agropastoral communities for approximately one and half millennium during the Late Holocene, from ca. 4000 to 2300 BP. The absence of prior evidence of human settlement points to the influx of mobile herders moving away from the “drying” Sahara towards more humid lower latitudes. These herders took advantage of the peculiarities of the local geology and environment and succeeded in domesticating bulrush millet – Pennisetum sp. The emerging agropastoral subsistence complex had conflicting and/or complementary requirements depending on circumstances. In the long run, the social adjustment to the new subsistence complex, shifting site location strategies, nested settlement patterns and the rise of more encompassing polities appear to have been used to cope with climatic hazards in this relatively circumscribed area. An intense arid spell in the middle of the first millennium BC triggered the collapse of the whole Neolithic agropastoral system and the abandonment of the areas. These regions, resettled by sparse oasis-dwellers populations and iron-using communities starting from the first half of the first millennium AD, became part of the famous Ghana “empire”, the earliest state in West African history.
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England not too long ago, prior and during the Roman invasion and enslavement. Traditional Celtic huts.
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"Nenaderthal" and "Neandertal" are both correct. The latter being the normalised German spelling of "thal" which became "tal" more recently.
But the topic title is off--because the New Guineans have the highest "dosage" of Neanderthal genes yet they are not at the forefront of any historical technological breakthroughs.
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^ And exactly what are these 'Neanderthal' genes?? I thought it was revealed that these were autosomal genes that happen to resemble those of Neanderthal and are NOT exactly Neanderthal?? In fact, some Africans like Maasai and others in the Rift Valley also possessed these genes too. So where the hell was Neanderthal in Africa?
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Furthemore,LOL, the Neanders migrated to Eurasia and Europe straight from Africa. So their DNA must have been African to start with.
Really don't understand the fuss over these dead-enders. They were in Africa for at least 400,000 years and then came to a population cul-de-sac. It happens to all kinds of biological entities.
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Error above: "they were in EUROPE for at least 400,000 years and then came to a population cul-de-sac".
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No, asswhipe. Both spellings are correct. And because you blundered that attempt to correct me, I chose not to consider the rest of your rubbish screed. Okay, faggot?
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: First of all, it's Neanderthal. Dumb cave dweller!
quote:Originally posted by Break-the-bull: No, asswhipe. Both spellings are correct. And because you blundered that attempt to correct me, I chose not to consider the rest of your rubbish screed. Okay, faggot?
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: First of all, it's Neanderthal. Dumb cave dweller!
lol at this online tuff talk by this bwatty bwoy cave dweller, Νεάντερταλ!
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Pronunciation: /nēˈandərTHôl/ noun
(also Neanderthal man)
an extinct species of human that was widely distributed in ice-age Europe between circa 120,000–35,000 years ago, with a receding forehead and prominent brow.
The Neanderthals were associated with the Mousterian flint industry of the Middle Paleolithic.
Homo neanderthalensis; now usually regarded as a separate species from H. sapiens and probably at the end of a different evolutionary line
an uncivilized, unintelligent, or uncouth person, especially a man:
the stereotype of the mechanic as a macho Neanderthal adjective
to Neanderthal man. (especially of a man) uncivilized, unintelligent, or uncouth: your attitude to women is Neanderthal
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: African Negroes are the only humans without the Neandertal gene. Could this explain why historically, outside Africa, was found advance civilization? Is there a correlation between high intelligence and the Neandertal gene?
According to World Civilizations textbooks in the colleges and universities of the 1990s and probably as late as Neanderthal was a population close to homo sapiens sapiens that was incapable of art and lacking in creativity. Anyone could look that up for themselves.
There is an interesting theory about the Neanderthal origins of autism, Asperger and ADHD.
quote:Originally posted by Break-the-bull: No, asswhipe. Both spellings are correct. And because you blundered that attempt to correct me, I chose not to consider the rest of your rubbish screed. Okay, faggot?
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: First of all, it's Neanderthal. Dumb cave dweller!
lol at this online tuff talk by this bwatty bwoy cave dweller, Νεάντερταλ!
Ich Sprich dir Deutsche Sprache, und du! looool
Gut zu wissen, dass Ir mit verschiedene logings arbeit. Du Nazi swinehund!
Pronunciation: /nēˈandərTHôl/ noun
(also Neanderthal man)
an extinct species of human that was widely distributed in ice-age Europe between circa 120,000–35,000 years ago, with a receding forehead and prominent brow.
The Neanderthals were associated with the Mousterian flint industry of the Middle Paleolithic.
Homo neanderthalensis; now usually regarded as a separate species from H. sapiens and probably at the end of a different evolutionary line
an uncivilized, unintelligent, or uncouth person, especially a man:
the stereotype of the mechanic as a macho Neanderthal adjective
to Neanderthal man. (especially of a man) uncivilized, unintelligent, or uncouth: your attitude to women is Neanderthal
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: African Negroes are the only humans without the Neandertal gene. Could this explain why historically, outside Africa, was found advance civilization? Is there a correlation between high intelligence and the Neandertal gene?
Actually white Neanderthals are an evolutionary dead end save for some leftover DNA in today's whites, if "biodiversity" methods are applied. And your white Neanderthals never progressed beyond the Stone Age. By contrast, it was tropical Africans that went on to evolve into modern humanity. That's using your own "biodiversity" approach. Enjoy fool.
"Pure" white evolution led to Neanderthals both in terms of paler skin and cold-adaptive limb proportions. African evolution led to anatomically modern humans.
QUOTE: "What was different about the Neanderthals? What did the Cro- Magnons think when they saw them for the first time? To begin with, the Neanderthals were very light-skinned and the Cro- Magnons were less so. " --Juan Luis Arsuaga, Andy Klatt. 2004. The Neanderthal's Necklace: In Search of the First Thinkers
White skin "This finding suggests that Neanderthals evolved a functional variant of the MC1R gene independently from modern humans as they dispersed into northerly latitudes, and thus supports the inference for the convergent evolution of depigmented skin in the Neanderthals lineage.." --Michael P. Muehlenbein. 2010. Human Evolutionary Biology
Cold-adaptation "Regarding environmental buffering, Trinkaus (1986 and this volume) reiterates that while Neanderthal limb proportions are suggestive of cold adaptation, no such indications are shown by Eurasian early modern humans. Their distinct limb proportions are instead indicative of an equatorial ancestry and better culturally based thermal protection.. the limb proportions of the Eurasian early modern samples are retentions of the African ancestral morphology of long limbs with long distal segments.." -- Erik Trinkaus (ed), 'The Emergence of Modern Humans", (C. Stringer p. 88). School of American Research, Santa Fe, New Mexico, 1989.
Modern scholarship suggests a great 3-way evolutionary split in hominid lineages several hundred thousand years ago, if "biodiversity" approaches are followed. Using biodiversity methods data indicates that "Pure" ancestral whites (European hominids) evolved into Neanderthals. Asians into Homo Erectus. Africans went on to evolve into today's advanced anatomically modern humans. The first "racial event" thus involved the development of pure white ancestral lineages in Europe- the Neanderthals.
QUOTE: "Following the initial Out-of-Africa event, natural selection and random genetic drift began to drive populations in Africa, Europe, and eastern Asia in different morphological directions. Morphological differentiation was particularly clear by 500,000–400,000 years ago, and from this time onwards, there were at least three evolving human lineages. These may always have been able to exchange genes, but distance and small population size probably limited gene flow, and the composite fossil and archeological records indicate that the African lineage spread to replace or swamp the others beginning roughly 50,000 years ago. It is thus r easonable to supply the lineages with biological species labels: Homo sapiens in Africa, Homo neanderthalensis in Europe, and Homo erectus in the eastern Asia.
.. Many details of Out-of-Africa remain to be worked out, and disagreement persists, for example, on the extent to which dispersing modern Africans and archaic Eurasians may have interbred and especially on what promoted the relatively sudden Out-of-Africa expansion. Most authorities attribute the expansion to behavioral changes that conferred a substantial Darwinian fitness advantage, that is, that allowed modern humans of African descent t o survive and reproduce at a significantly higher rate than the archaic humans they encountered in Eurasia. "
-- Richard G. Klein. 2009. Darwin and the recent African origin of modern humas Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2009 September 22; 106(38): 16007–16009.
During the first evolutionary "racial event" the pure white lineages (Neanderthals) roamed Europe, and showed their distinctive adaptations to the colder environment. Contrary to inflated claims designed to show the white progenitors as heroic cold-climate pioneers, glacier age Europe was not the much ballyhooed cold hell, but had variable climate, and rich forest, woodland and aquatic resources. This rich resource base included ancient variants of wheat-like spelt and chick peas in place that could have been domesticated, along with ancestors of sheep, cattle and pigs. In addition, the white lineages had and a favorable East-West climatic axis that could have aided domestication, and made for easy transmission of tools, techniques, domesticated plants and animals and ideas, an advantageous windfall position as historian Jared Diamond (1997) shows for later Europe, in his Guns, Germs and Steel. Despite tens of thousands of years with these advantages and resources however, ancestral white lineages failed to move beyond the Stone Age.
Thus, using the "biodiversity" approach, the first great "racial" split in the humanoid line involved white Neanderthals who colonized Europe, and Africans, who colonized Africa and went on to become anatomically modern humans.
The first “pure” white genetic output was thus brutish, primitive, dead end Neanderthals. By contrast, it was Africa that produced the future of humanity- anatomically modern humans, not cold-climate Europe. White NEanderthals survived, until they were supplanted by more advanced, modern tropically adapted humans from Africa that replaced them. There is some evidence of modern human-Neanderthal hybridization among today's whites- trace Neanderthal elements in today's Europeans, (Green 2010) shaping their evolutionary behavior, to use a "biodiversity" approach.
This would be the first instance of the hybridization that produced today's white Europeans. The next instance is replacement of the ancestral whites (Neanderthals) by more advanced humans from tropical Africa. It was the coming of tropically adapted African variants into Europe that caused Europe to progress beyond the brutish “pure” white Neanderthal lineages. Continuing migrations from Africa and a mixture of African and Asian OOA migrants- all anatomically modern humans- caused a second round of mixed breeding in Europe, and was to eventually replace the pure white Neanderthal lineages to yield today's European hybrid population. QUOTE:
^^"There is wide agreement on a speciation event in Africa at around 0.8 or 0.9 mya when Homo erectus (or Homo ergaster) gave rise to a species named Homo heidelbergensis, or Homo rhodesiensis, or Homo sapiens. The new species expanded into Europe leading to the Neanderthal lineage, whereas in Africa it evolved into anatomically modern humans. The lineage of anatomical modernization can be subdivided into three groups, morphs, or grades: an early one including Bodo, Saldanha, Kabwe, Salé, a subsequent one including Florisbad, Laetoli H 18, Ileret (ER 3884), Jebel Irhoud, and early anatomically moderns with Omo Kibish, Herto and others." --Günter Bräuer, "Middle Pleistocene Diversity in Africa and the Origin of Modern Humans". IN: Modern Origins: A North African Perspective. 2012. Series: Vertebrate Paleobiology and Paleoanthropology Hublin, Jean-Jacques; McPherron, Shannon P. (Eds.)
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” Holliday (2000) examined postcranial morphology of the varied Levantine hominids from Qafzeh and Skhul(anatomically modern) and from Amud, Kebara and Tabun (Neanderthal). He determined that they were morphologically distinct; the anatomically moderns had tropically adapted body proportions, suggesting African origins, while the Neanderthals had cold adapted body proportions, suggesting European origins.” --Holliday 2000
This then could be another source of the Eurocentric inferiority complex. Pure white genetics produced only the savage Neanderthals. Africa by contrast, produced a better, more advanced human than white lineages. Today's whites still show some traces of Neanderthal genes, a throwback to their savage evolution. Some white writers argue that this Neanderthal remnant, could account for the white penchant for violence and murder. R. Bradley, advances this this theory in "The Iceman Inheritance."
So under this biodiversity approach, why then didn't pure white Europeans stay as NEanderthals? According to Bradley, they were replaced with the more advanced Africans and Asians. This diluted the savage white NEanderthal lineages, producing a better level of humanity. However the violent, savage nature of whites still remains, due to remnants of Neanderthal genes. Recent scientific findings showing European whites have traces of Neanderthal genes have been used by some claimants to support the Iceman theory. Some disagree with Bradley. Others argue that his theory of white ice age adaptation is true. Racial "biodiversity" proponents share general agreement along a spectrum with its central holding of pure white evolutionary lineages, "untainted" by "negro blood."
White European lineages [Neanderthals] were the first humans to engage in cannibalism
"Cannibalism is a good example. Several Mousterian sites, along which Moula-Guercy (France) stands out, have provided reasonably firm evidence of anthropic action on Neanderthal bones.. Defleur and colleagues (1999) compared the patters of ungulate and Neanderthal bones, the skeletal parts that were found and the tool marks on the bone fragments. They concluded that all the fragments with marks indicate prey that had been subject to butchery. This suggests that cannibalistic oractices existed among the Neanderthals.. But the question of cannibalism can be understood in another way. When Wolpoff was asked about the meaning of the evidence found at Moula-Guercy, he replied with a question: why should modern humans be the only violent ones? Arsuaga went even further in believing that Neanderthal cannibalistic behavior actually constituted a very human behavior, which revealed a human mind (Both cited by Culotta, 1999). " --Camilo J. Cela-Conde, Francisco José Ayala, 2007. Human evolution: trails from the past.
"But recent excavation by Alban Delfeur and Tim White at the 100,000 year old French cave of Moula-Guercy has demonstrated cannibalism beyond any reasonable doubt. The site contains butchered animal remains, predominantly red deer. Among the bones are the skulls of two young Neanderthals, their masseter muscles filleted and the tongue removed from at least one of them; the cut marks on the inner face of the mandible are virtually identical with those mode on the inside of the 12,5000-year-old modern human mandible from Gough's (New) Cave, [England] described in Chapter 3 (see p. 80). Crania of both deer and Neanderthals were broken open to get at the marrow.." --Timothy Taylor. 2005. The Buried Soul: How Humans Invented Death
Pure white lineages failed to move beyond the stone Age in Europe, despite the supposed greater ":challenges" of "cold climate" "evolution."
QUOTE: [i]The last Ice Age was by no means a period of unrelieved cold, millennium after millennium. Temperatures fluctuated, sometimes coming close to today's balmy interglacial climes, and the animal and plant communities fluctuated in concert with them. Warmer climes brought woodland and forest where only open grassland had existed previously. At the same time, the horses and bison- animals of the plains, were replaced with red deer, wild boar and other confines of a forest habitat..
".. Opportunities for cultivation and animal husbandry surely existed earlier than the Neolithic. Yet no evidence has emerged that any plant or animal domestication occurred before this time.." -- Lewin, Roger (1988). In the Age of Mankind. Smithsonian. pp. 193
quote:Originally posted by Break-the-bull: No, asswhipe. Both spellings are correct. And because you blundered that attempt to correct me, I chose not to consider the rest of your rubbish screed. Okay, faggot?
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: First of all, it's Neanderthal. Dumb cave dweller!
lol at this online tuff talk by this bwatty bwoy cave dweller, Νεάντερταλ!
Ich Sprich dir Deutsche Sprache, und du! looool
Gut zu wissen, dass Ir mit verschiedene logings arbeit. Du Nazi swinehund!
Pronunciation: /nēˈandərTHôl/ noun
(also Neanderthal man)
an extinct species of human that was widely distributed in ice-age Europe between circa 120,000–35,000 years ago, with a receding forehead and prominent brow.
The Neanderthals were associated with the Mousterian flint industry of the Middle Paleolithic.
Homo neanderthalensis; now usually regarded as a separate species from H. sapiens and probably at the end of a different evolutionary line
an uncivilized, unintelligent, or uncouth person, especially a man:
the stereotype of the mechanic as a macho Neanderthal adjective
to Neanderthal man. (especially of a man) uncivilized, unintelligent, or uncouth: your attitude to women is Neanderthal
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The above image, is the National German Museum of the Neanderthaler! The text is in German, and I have been writing Germanic in the last few post. It's clear that idiot doesn't understand German.
lol at this racist Alabama idiot with many screen names.
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