During the Middle Ages Black peoples in Europe were called Blue men. There seem to be images of this period which show Bleu people. I know of a Renaissance crucifixion scene with a light blue Jesus. In the Renaissance we start seeing many, many images of blacks, called The Moor.
Mike Nassau writes about Nubians and Iranians which were brought to Europe in 50 BC by Caesar to fight the Germanic nations. They stayed on and had their own communities along the Rhine and the Danube. Nassau states that in the 17th century Europeans arrived in America who were called Black Dutch. They were not treated like the Africans who were held in slavery. Many Whites were also kept as slaves or slave like conditions. Later on Black and coloured families claimed descend from these Black Dutch to prevent re-enslavement or being treated as ‘niggers.’ The point is that somehow Black and coloured people were present in Europe and managed to keep their Black looks through intermarriage till at least the 17 century.
On forums like these there is a lot of discussion about the Moors and what they looked like. I suggest we look at the Moor in European Art and take it from there. In European Art the Moor is always a Classical African: pitch black, frizzled hair, a flat and wide face, flat nosed, thick lips, and subnasal prognasty. When you study the symbol of the Moor from The Renaissance (1500) you will find that it did not start out like a ‘Black Servant’ or a ‘Black Page.’ The Drake Jewel (1575) shows the profile of a Black King dominating the profile of a White woman. This symbolises Africa dominating Europe and Black superiority in Europe. The symbol of the Moor shows a ‘Blue man’ which is a Black man and means Blue Blood. We see many portraits of the nobility in which they pose very intimate with a little Black boy or girl which gives the sitter riches, mostly pearls which seem to symbolise Europe.The nobility was coloured, and some showed more African or Asian or White treats. These portraits are kept hidden or are destroyed around the French Revolution (1789).
Inside The Drake Jewel is a miniature of Queen Elizabeth I. Her father’s sister Mary Tudor was the grandmother of Mary of Scots. Mary of Scots’ son was James I who married Anne of Denmark. They were the grandparents of Charles II Stuart who was named ‘The Black Boy.’ He was described on a wanted poster issued by parliament as ‘a tall Black man’ and I do not think they were fooling around. Anne of Denmark had ordered a play ‘The Masque of Blackness’ (1605) in praise of Black beauty which did not fade. The play was performed by members of the court and it explained how Blacks, The Sun People, came to Europe to look for a milder sun. In the play was a personage of The Niger River. The costume design shows a tall Black woman. Strange as this might sound; it took me after all three years to believe my own findings: Anne of Denmark which we know as a blindingly blond woman was almost certainly Black. As the whole Stuart dynasty was Black of skin.
When one looks for portraits of Charles II Stuart ‘The Black Boy’ one finds many which show a White man, with long black hair and mustachio. But if one persists there are portraits which show black skin. Especially the National Portrait Gallery site shows many portraits of a Black skinned boy and later a Black adult. Still there is a lot of variations, but I have one pitch black portrait which show his classical African treats under a huge afro-like wig.
So there were Black Kings in Europe, who somehow traced their origins in Africa and symbolised their Blue blood with the image of a Moor. The portraits which show Blacks as White’s I would explain as propaganda to make them look as the White people they so despotically oppressed. Other white portraits are over painted authentic Black portraits, or whitened copies of these or outright fakes. All European museums show portraits of the European elite, with fake white skin colour. We know that all the European royal families were blood relatives. The Black Boy’s mother, for instance, Henrietta Maria, was the daughter of Maria de Medici, Queen of France and the aunt of Louis XIV, The Sun King. The sister of The Black boy was Maria Henrietta Stuart who married the Dutch Stadholder William II. Their son was King Stadholder William III, who ruled Britain as William and Mary.
To be continued! (All this can be verified in google)
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The Masque of Blackness (1605): design of the Niger River, a play commissioned by Queen Anne, the wife of James I Stuart of Britain and grandmother of Charles II Stuart.
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My research of the European elite 1500-1789 is mainly based on personal descriptions. Biographies en autobiographies offer brief personal descriptions of persons who belonged to the European nobility and royal families. These descriptions can sometimes be connected to portraits, mostly prints, which show skin colour or ethnic treats. Naturally this leads to parents and siblings, but also marriage partners to be identified as coloured. When one is used to looking at prints which show dark or black colour, one can identify other persons as coloured, without benefit of a description.
Biographies:
Stadholder William of Orange (1533-1584): Brown of complexion and the beard. More brown then white. Emperor Leopold I Hapsburg: A short, hale black man. Author James Boswell: Swarthy, with black hair and black eyes. Author and politician Madame de Staël: Swarthy. Good features, bad complexion Charles II Stuart: The Black Boy Author Benjamin Constant: Very bad complexion Baron Aarnoud Joost van der Duyn van Maasdam: Black Brown (Noir et basané), Chimney sweep, Swarthy. Rousseau: a genteel Black man in an Armenian coat Van Beethoven: The Black Spaniard Haydn: The Blackamoor Alessandro de Medici: Il Moro Duc d’Anjou, son of Queen Catharine de Medici: Swarthy Queen Charlotte Sophie of Mecklenburg Strelitz: a true mulatto face. Her nose was too wide and her mouth showed the same fault. Yellow.
Autobiographies:
Isabelle de Charrière: Not the white hands James Boswell: Black Colette: My Negro body Elizabeth Barrett Browning: I’m a Black woman
Egmond Codfried
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Madame de Staël, Drawing by Friedrich Tieck Baroness Germaine de Staël-Holstein Germaine de Necker Swiss, daughter of the 'Minister of Finance' of France De Necker
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Queen Henrietta Maria of Britain mother of Charles II Stuart, 'The Black Boy' daughter of Queen Maria de Medici of France
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Henrietta Maria de Bourbon, Queen of Britain, daughter of King Henry IV and sister to Louis XIII, the father of The Sun King
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[URL=http://www.jamd.com/search?assettype=g&assetid=51239133&text=catherine+medici ]Catharine de Medici[/URL] Catherine de Medici
Her son, Francis Duke de Alencon and Anjou: described as ‘swarthy.’ Suitor of Elizabeth I, briefly sovereign of the Netherlands
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quote:Originally posted by gunit: This topic is boring. We're not interested
Yes dear, your objections are duly noted. Now be a good boy and run along. And don't come back, so you will not feel bored anymore!
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Don't take this jackass seriously. Good topic. The fool doesn't add anything but one or two nonsensical sentences. Not sure he can read . . or write properly.
This is an area we don't discuss much on AE. . .&E.
How authentic are some of these paintings?
quote:Originally posted by gunit: This topic is boring. We're not interested
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Thank you dear. What is this AE...&E thing? The images come straight from google and some have credits, others not. I like people to feed these names into google to come up with their own understanding of things, so I offer some leads. You should visit the National Portrait Gallery site where you will find all the authentication in the world. You will see White and then Black portraits of these Royals. But they hide some and for the past years I read 'Image not available.' Especially bothersome in regard to Queen Anne (of Denmark).
Do you have a question about a specific portrait?
By now!
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Hey Tony, I hope you're having a good day at work. I heard you've finally made it to "team lead" .
Now you have "BIG POWER" to give orders to those "Blacks & Asians" that you loathe so much. I hope it makes up for your shitty existense.
I'm actually looking for work at the moment so I'm really bored. Your white & nerdy girl called me over for a cup of tea .
She was on the phone to you as I shook my third leg all over her face . Yep, that was the THUNDER you heard when she told you "not to worry, just the door"
P.S.> This Egmond Codfried cunt is none other than that herpes infested Ruseel (a.k.a argyle104).
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This Renaissance cameo can be seen on a candelabrum in the Louvre, which was a marriage gift to either Catherine or Maria de Medici, Queens of France. J.A. Rogers wrote in ‘Sex and Race’ (1941) that it showed the mother of Alessandro de Medici.
I disagree because it shows a profile of a man, a Black King, and he symbolises Africa. He dominates the profile of a White woman, Europe, and symbolises Black domination and Black superiority in Europe. Just like The Drake Jewel (1575)does.
The Drake Jewel (1575)
Egmond Codfried
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Go away . . . . .troll!!! Stick to the troll threads. Try to concentrate when in the serious threads.
quote:Originally posted by Hori: Hey Tony, I hope you're having a good day at work. I heard you've finally made it to "team lead" .
Now you have "BIG POWER" to give orders to those "Blacks & Asians" that you loathe so much. I hope it makes up for your shitty existense.
I'm actually looking for work at the moment so I'm really bored. Your white & nerdy girl called me over for a cup of tea .
She was on the phone to you as I shook my third leg all over her face . Yep, that was the THUNDER you heard when she told you "not to worry, just the door"
P.S.> This Egmond Codfried cunt is none other than that herpes infested Ruseel (a.k.a argyle104).
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Family crest of the Dutch, Moorrees Family showing several Moors, symbols of Blue Blood
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AE . . .&E. Notice there are two sections that are very hot. Ancient Egypt and Egyptology. All things non-egyptology goes in the AE section.
The period in Europe is very interesting because Blacks seemed to be of prominence during the period. Also racism seemed to be almost non-existent. Note the Drake Jewelry.
If blacks were thought of as inferior at that time why are they displayed in important jewelry.
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: Thank you dear. What is this AE...&E thing? The images come straight from google and some have credits, others not. I like people to feed these names into google to come up with their own understanding of things, so I offer some leads. You should visit the National Portrait Gallery site where you will find all the authentication in the world. You will see White and then Black portraits of these Royals. But they hide some and for the past years I read 'Image not available.' Especially bothersome in regard to Queen Anne (of Denmark).
Do you have a question about a specific portrait?
By now!
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: AE . . .&E. Notice there are two sections that are very hot. Ancient Egypt and Egyptology. All things non-egyptology goes in the AE section.
The period in Europe is very interesting because Blacks seemed to be of prominence during the period. Also racism seemed to be almost non-existent. Note the . .. Jewelry.
[Voltaire, he might have been a pitch black European. All the great philosophers like Voltaire, Rousseau, Racine, Hume and Kant show up with Black and coloured portraits]
My research indicates that racism was a conscious ideology against the Black Supremacy (1500-1789). Scientific Racism specifically targets the symbol of Blue Blood, the Moor: a Classical African. I will explain later that this period should be viewed as Reversed Apartheid. The people, who were discriminated against and despotically oppressed by the noble elite, were the White's. It ended with the violence of the French Revolution. Imagine South Africa after 200 years, and how they will approach the Apartheid past, what measures they have taken to prevent Apartheid from returning. Still I have to point out that both Voltaire and Rousseau, who are considered fathers of the French Revolution, to be Black man.
As you can see I'm not setting out to proof that Whites are bad and Blacks are good or that Blacks are bad and White's are good. Or that Black are forever victims.
Today they are the underdog and suffer from State Racism in Europe and the USA and this needs to stop. I found a deconstruction of Racism, by offering a theory of how it all started. I do not believe that Racism is a natural emotion, it's taught to us by our leaders.
Egmond Codfried
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BTW- are you referring to me on the offensive stuff?? Don't get the remark
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Quote: from EC Still I have to point out that both Voltaire and Rousseau, who are considered fathers of the French Revolution, to be Black man.
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Do not forget to take your pills dear! Remember what the doctor said, not to much internet per day. Now run along now, and while you are at it, take a shower: you stink!
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Do you have proof of this?
BTW- are you referring to me on the offensive stuff?? Don't get the remark
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Quote: from EC Still I have to point out that both Voltaire and Rousseau, who are considered fathers of the French Revolution, to be Black man.
Good. And the fathers of "The New Revolution" will be black men too .
You know me too well - from over a year working together and 2 years running damn-near cointelpro surveillance on me online - that I'm all about justice (for *ALL*).
When I put the noose around your war criminals who you call "leaders" (who are currently TERRORISING the world), I will remember the "true name" of the Black Man who on this site, showed me my errors .
Nuff said.
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Do not forget to take your pills dear! Remember what the doctor said, not to much internet per day. Now run along now, and while you are at it, take a shower: you stink!
I'M SORRY BUT I DON'T DO MAN-MADE DRUGS. YOU KNOW THAT
P.S> You guys need to quit being Polymorphic with the ES user accounts. Use one account each so I can properly identify you by your patterned style of gibberish
I'm not sure now if this CodFried Cunt is the herpes infested argyle104 or the bullyvictim-dwarf-DarthVader akoben...
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Do you have proof of this?
BTW- are you referring to me on the offensive stuff?? Don't get the remark
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Quote: from EC Still I have to point out that both Voltaire and Rousseau, who are considered fathers of the French Revolution, to be Black man.
[The profile of Alessandro used as a Moor pendant. So in some cases The Moor was a real person, a real ancestor.]
I expect you to be a clever person with basic understanding. There was not anything offensive in what you are saying, but I do not understand why you quoted the whole offensive stuff from this village weirdo! Let's stick to the subject, please.
The proof to me is James Boswell writing in his Journal about his master J.J. Rousseau: 'A genteel Black man in an Armenian coat.' And lo and behold, a portrait which shows a black skinned Rousseau is to be found in internet. I have guessed that Voltaire was pitch black because he looks pitch black on certain portraits. I'm talking about his skin color. Do you get my methodology? Personal descriptions, then portraits and so on.
These people I'm identifying as 'Black and coloured' seem to me to belong to a 'fixed mulatto race, with some more African, or Asian or White.' They shared a Black identity, Blue blood symbolised by a Moor, a Classical African. They were all mulattotypes, a intermarriying mixed bunch, mixed with all possible races, so you could not say which race they belonged to, in most cases. But they seem to be only interested in colour to proof they were Blue blooded and not White.
Now only hysterical people will understand that I said they were all 'Negroes.' Well I did not! They seem to have had African blood and sometimes one would pop out who looked very African, like Charlotte Sophie or Alessandro de Medici, which made them very happy, as they resembled their symbol of Blue blood.
Egmond Codfried
(Time to go home to prepare pizza. see ya tommorow)
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Hey Hori if you keep this up you will become the village idiot.
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^ Does that mean I'll take your position and you and the gang will be fucking off soon???
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Title: Portrait of Catherine, the Mulatta of the Portuguese Bradao, (1521) by Albrecht Dürer
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Among the pieces found in the forest were the 'Moor's Head Cup' made by Christoph Jamnitzer in 1615 and the jewelled and enamelled gold and silver 'Basket of Flowers' presented by Johann Melchior Dinglinger to Augustus the Strong in Warsaw at Christmas 1701.
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Doesn't this forum has a moderator? I have never seen a forum more in need of some filth removal! Very scary stuff, like I'm inside The Exorcist! Perhaps I can be helpfull by informing you that I'm in The Netherlands in Europe, another continent, you know Holland: from the windmills and cheeses too! I'm not this person you keep referring to.
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The lenghts at which people will go to prevent Blacks from having a conversation!
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Dear, I did not get your last answer, only these two hills or boops or tipi: ^^!
I have noticed that not all threads get as much soiled with filth by these supposedly 'village weirdo's.' There seems to be some system to their so-called madness. And they thus seem to consider some threats sacred.
Can you back this observation of mine?
Egmond Codfried
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