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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25134276
East African railroad project.
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East African railroad

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President Uhuru of Kenya launched railway in Mombassa.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21158928
Kenya is building silicon valley city in Konza.

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Konza silicon city.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17231889
Lamu port infrastructure project.
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Lamu port, highway, railway and pipeline.

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Jah bless south south cooperation...

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Back to the beginning..... The Great Lakes.

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Sad that we have outsiders doing this.
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Estimates suggest there are more than a million Chinese working in Africa. They also hire many locals


VIDEO (on Chinese in Zambia)

When China Met Africa 2011
trailer and pay per view 90 min


http://whenchinametafrica.com/

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critique of the film: (youtube)
(including interview with Pan-Afrikan Society member Omowale Rupert (UK)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRYK_EnRSDk


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http://www.chinagaze.com/2013/11/20/16-new-incriminating-wikileaks-revelations-china-part-1/

16 New Incriminating WikiLeaks Revelations About China,

According to the French website owni.fr, which claims to know many inside stories about WikiLeaks, a number of major media, including The New York Times, Le Monde, and Der Spiegel, are collaborating with WikiLeaks. They plan to disclose U.S. State Department documents to the public.

The following sixteen points briefly summarize some of the secret documents concerning China.

1. Chinese government officials hold about 5,000 personal Swiss bank accounts with the Swiss global financial services company UBS. Two thirds of those accounts belong to high level central government officials.

2.The source of the above-mentioned list of account holders came from a French employee at UBS, who was wanted by Swiss authorities for disclosing confidential information about bank customers. Scrolling through the list shows a lot of Chinese names.

3.Hong Kong is a major place for top officials’ international money laundering. Beijing takes full advantage of the free port’s legal privileges. Each faction of the Communist Party (CCP) has its own bank and dealer.

4.An established female hostess named Yang owns a jewelry shop in Hong Kong as a cover for money laundering for the relatives of central CCP officials.

5.Even CCP officials with limited income and power have Swiss bank accounts at UBS. Most of the bureau-level CCP officials who have worked in Hong Kong since 2002 do, and even deputy director-level officials from offices in Liaison, Hong Kong, and Macao, the Taiwan Affairs Office, the United Front Work Department, have private accounts at UBS. Bribery money is the likely source of assets for these government employees.

6. Beijing, having a friendly relationship with the Liberal Party of Canada, had been investing heavily in British Columbia, Canada, since 1998, and received kickbacks. The Conservative Party began to clean this up after it came into power. Gao Shan, who gave himself up for fraud last year after hiding out in Vancouver for eight years, was not a corrupt official as he was made out to be. He was a project manager who provided a reliable way to launder money for Lai Changxing, the billionaire who was extradited back to China for smuggling and bribery.


7.The former chief of domestic security, Zhou Yongkang, who is engulfed in a corruption scandal and investigations, holds a $20 million bank account in Canada.


8. China shifted funds from Canada to Australia after 2006. Beijing received kickbacks from all the main iron ore orders imported from Australia. Former Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd was accidentally involved in the Chinese government’s internal disputes. The Shanghai faction handed over evidence against Rudd to his political opponents.

9. Australia started to reconsider its relationship with Beijing after realizing that the Chinese government might poke into its state defense secrets under the cover of commercial investments. Chinese funds were then transferred to Indonesia in 2010.

10. The former president of Singapore, Li Guangyao, and his family believed that a war between Mainland China and Taiwan would destroy the East Asian economy and affect Singapore. Li mediated between the two sides across the strait and offered a platform for conversation between the Chinese Communist Party and the Taiwan Democratic Progressive Party.

11. The Taiwan government’s “Southern Front” project is a plan for nuclear weapon development. The manufacturing and test explosions were conducted overseas to escape an International Atomic Energy Agency investigation. It is said that the Democratic Progressive Party did not hand over core technology to the new government.

12. Former Taiwan president Li Denghui and his family’s assets are mostly in Japan and Switzerland.


13. When Li Denghui was president of Taiwan during the 1990s, he acquiesced to have a French arms sales rebate (Lafayette Warship Mirage Fighter) flow through Hong Kong to Beijing. Part of the rebate was transferred from Hong Kong to Qian Ning’s (son of the then Chinese Foreign Minister Qian Qichen) personal account in Chicago. Qian Ning later became a permanent resident of the U.S., and was willing to cooperate with the free world when the IRS conducted a tax investigation on him.

14. Former Vice Premier Qian Qichen visited the U.S. in the spring of 2001, and confirmed the cooperative relationship with the U.S. In Beijing, most of the staff in the ministry of foreign affairs were Qian’s students, and regarded Qian as their “Godfather”. Whenever something happened, they would inform Qian and seek Qian’s opinions. Qian also sent special messengers to report to the Beijing Consulate in Washington, D.C.


15. An inside source claimed that North Korea did not possess nuclear weapons. The Chinese government is behind North Korea’s nuclear weapon propaganda for the purpose of constraining the U.S.’s influence in Taiwan. If the U.S. does not give up Taiwan, it will face the threat of nuclear war from North Korea while China gets to stay out of the situation, but still gets what it wants.

16. Most of the U.S. bonds sold to China were underwritten by the Goldman Sachs Group. The rebates went into hundreds of accounts in New York, including those of the Zhou Xiaochuan family, the CEO of the People’s Bank of China.

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But you know what. The infrasturcture needs to be laid down. Roads, rail and agriculture. Everything will fall into place following that.

This is a promising sign. If the Euros weren't so greedy, obnoxious and racist they would be getting piece of the action. This is how humans should live. The whites have no understanding of harmony and living as one with nature. Their humanity is still in the dark ages.


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Sad that we have outsiders doing this.


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yes the roads to the minerals and oil are harmonizing with nature, its that Buddhist Chinese stuff, everything falls apar,, I mean into place
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win-win? exploitation? fair trade, internal disruption?
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But but Xyyboy, according to you & your Whitey hating Black racist ilk, Blacks are superior & all powerful & Whites are inferior sub human/non humans. Why would such a superior people (according to you) need such an inferior people to help build up your countries, shouldn't you ummm like be able to do it yourself, since you are all superior and all.
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Great thread.


The China-Africa Bond:

Science, Technology and Engineering Diplomacy


The next phase of China’s relations with Africa should focus on deepening science, technology and engineering cooperation, especially in agriculture


http://belfercenter.hks.harvard.edu/files/caijing-2012-juma-china-africa-eng.pdf

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@Troll Patrol

Yo I have something to PM you. You'll like it. [Smile]

Just clear out your inbox a bit.

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quote:
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@Troll Patrol

Yo I have something to PM you. You'll like it. [Smile]

Just clear out your inbox a bit.

I will clear my box.


For those who like to stay, updated...on the China / African affairs.


http://www.focac.org/eng/

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@Troll Patrol

Sent you a PM.

Also...

Africa with China 1 The amazing transformation of Uyo city in Nigeria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPx1al_TwxI

Africa Rising Through Regional Integration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9VjQxqWV70

KONZA TECHNOLOGY CITY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDfPLAf1Qlg

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win-win? Africa-China

exploitation? Europeans on Africa last 400years, after Africa lost the war on invasion.

fair trade- China Africa? humans have been doing it for the over 200,000yrs

internal disruption by Europeans because of greed and disrespectful of humanity and nature.


Chinese and whites are not sub-humans. They are a sub-set of Africans.

5000-500bc. African domination in Africa AND Europe.

any questions??
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But but Xyyboy, according to you & your Whitey hating Black racist ilk, Blacks are superior & all powerful & Whites are inferior sub human/non humans. Why would such a superior people (according to you) need such an inferior people to help build up your countries, shouldn't you ummm like be able to do it yourself, since you are all superior and all.


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Lioness corruption and government official with secret Swiss bank account exist in all government around the world. There are corrupt Chinese, USA, Indian, Nigerian, French, Brazilian, Kenyan, Russian, Japanese, South Korean, Mexican, UK, Congolese, Saudi Arabian government bureaucrats with corrupt Swiss bank accounts. Corruption is universal.

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Great map troll patrol .Good job China building infrastructure in the mother land Africa. When I travel to Africa I can also use those infrastructure. Unlike western countries who are interfering in other country political system, who are financing psychopathic rebels in countries, who are invading countries for regime change the Chinese do business around the world and build infrastructure around the world.

I find it very strange India and China are 2000 years old civilization with a 1 billion population each and they are not invading any countries with their armies. The USA and EU think they have the god given right to invade countries far away around the world in the landlock Hindu Kush mountain, in North Africa, in the Persian gulf and in Indochina. Latin American and African have no plan to invade countries outside their continent. Somebody important should have the courage to lecture white people to tell them something is wrong with them.

I agree with Xyman
Xyman say:win-win? Africa-China

exploitation? Europeans on Africa last 400years, after Africa lost the war on invasion.

fair trade- China Africa? humans have been doing it for the over 200,000yrs

internal disruption by Europeans because of greed and disrespectful of humanity and nature.


Chinese and whites are not sub-humans. They are a sub-set of Africans.

5000-500bc. African domination in Africa AND Europe.

any questions??

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quote:
Originally posted by Ebony Allen:
Sad that we have outsiders doing this.

It seems to me the NEW city is being built by the kenyans or mostly by them.

The East African railroad project- looks like most of the workers will be kenyan.

The only project i see that will have chinese workers along with kenyan workers is the The East African railroad project.

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My man- labor is insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

The "engineering design", the cranes and machinery, is where it is at. A chimp can dig a hole in the ground.

But this is a good sign. The foundation is being laid, once laid good things will come to fruition.

My brother returned from Namibia recently. First visit. He said great things are happening there. He was suprised on how clean and organize the infrastructure/roads were. It was well maintained. He said a lot of African cities are like that except Lagos. Not sure why.

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Chinese putting a stadium and a housing project is meaningless, and the Gov't should be embarassed to have non-nationals do it for them.

The infrastructure is needed. Dams, interstate highways, railroads, tunnels, bridges, water-works, power plants, communication towers, car/truck factories, mega farms, medical schools, etc.

Once these things are place, many problems will take care of themselves.

It doesn't matter how Africans get there once they get there.

The entire Western civilization is built on a lie. Including murder, stealing and criminal activity. I prefer fair trade over barbaric in-human action. It is on the backs of Black Slavery that west is where it is at.

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Of course while chinese are helping to build in africa the locals too are designing, building infrastructure etc.. themselves.


Certain countries depend more on the chinese more then others and then some countries like south africa and some others that do not import chinese workers or others need them less,but it all the depends on the country.

I think the media is not making that clear enough.


As for Lagos,it Depends on what part of lagos your friend was at since it's a really big city.

I seen parts of it that is clean, well maintained organize like lagos island and these other island below.

The lagos main land is more of the problem but even that area is slowing getting their act together i believe.

Check out these parts of lagos,the islands.


Ikoyi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLkzbXW1SQ8


Victoria Island, Lagos, Nigeria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGVO0cYUwOs


Here is more vids of lagos to give you a good idea.


Lagos goes Green
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA2Z_3NL2PU


LAGOS: AFRICA'S OWN BIG APPLE

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQWxMT84aG0

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Lagos, Nigeria The Africa You Dont See On Television Pt 1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot1JtsOtDqA

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Firewall, your pictures aren't balanced.

Rich and poor should be shown.

If the media shows only poor, instead showing only the pretty tourist photos is a distortion of the opposite type, not the whole picture

It should be a hybrid between Doug and Firewall

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IF you want to see the poor in africa watch your local news etc...,but don't go only by that since they tend to distort.

At times my post do talk about the poor and pictures of the poor were shown in some of my past threads.

The vids and pictures i posted are mostly not tourist spots.

If i show good areas of london is that only a tourist spot or tourist spot?no.

It's were folks live,play and do business etc..

Even the bad areas or areas not so good or not so bad, tourist at times visit.


Alot of the pics and vids i posted show business areas and were folks live.

There ARE war tourist too,you know folks,mostly from the west that go to war torn areas or civil war areas.
I SAW THAT ON THE NEWS.


By the way the bbc world news gives a good balance,but even at times they get it wrong.

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I found this interesting.

I WILL HAVE TO WATCH THE REST LATER.

Miss Nigeria 2013 Reality Show (Episode 1)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygtCfyNi1_Q

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Great video on Lagos. very informative.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M80M2GI1jAc
This is also interesting remember the big bruhaha over the land grab and supposedly abject failure by the Black land grabbers which caused Zimbabwe's economy to collapse was promoted on the news on a daily basis??..now they have to walk that talk back,and to rub salt in the wound their economy is growing at 5.5% also interesting they are following the path of South Korea as far as outside investors are concerned in that a indigen have to be majority share holder at 51-49%,while I not do necessarily liked to be told I have to partner up with anyone, but hey it worked for the Koreans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FAqd6JTjYQ
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Btw Lioness mostly when we see pics of life in western nations we almost never see the balance you talked about,if some publication speak of investment and growth in whatever Euro/American cities they don't show slums.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4YPWwvKZbo
this vid take an inverted look at how if Africans wanted to could skew the picture, the constant negative skewing of the picture on Africa was one of the reasons why investments and trade was slow to come into Africa and when they did it was mainly on Euro/American terms,that was until the Chinese bucked that trend and now others are falling over themselves to get on the action.

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This in hindsight is merely a reestablishment of the trade and develoment that was rudely interrupted by Europeans from the 15th cen. onwards.

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quote:
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Chinese putting a stadium and a housing project is meaningless, and the Gov't should be embarassed to have non-nationals do it for them.

The infrastructure is needed. Dams, interstate highways, railroads, tunnels, bridges, water-works, power plants, communication towers, car/truck factories, mega farms, medical schools, etc.

Once these things are place, many problems will take care of themselves.

It doesn't matter how Africans get there once they get there.

The entire Western civilization is built on a lie. Including murder, stealing and criminal activity. I prefer fair trade over barbaric in-human action. It is on the backs of Black Slavery that west is where it is at.

I understand where you're coming from, but there is more to story....and a lot has to be combat after hundreds of years of western imperialism.


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Suzhou University has recently been selected by the Ministry of Education as university of “20+20 Cooperation Plan of Chinese and African Institutions of Higher Learning”. This creates a desirable platform for the exchange and cooperation between our university and African universities, and it will play an active role in the comprehensive implementation of our university’s internationalization strategy of education as well as in the promotion of our university’s world reputation.


The educational cooperation between Soochow University and the African countries was initiated in 2003, when SU, under the guidance of MOE, sent two professors of computer science to Uganda and Tanzania to participate in a two-year volunteer tutoring program. It was immediately followed by two MOE-sponsored training programs themed “Poverty Reduction and Economic & Social Developmenr” and “Education and Development” in 2005 and 2006 respectively, and 40 government officials from over 20 African countries attended the program at Soochow University. Since 2006, we have recruited more than 20 self-funded African students coming from Zimbabwe, Zambia, Nigeria, Congo, etc.

http://eng.suda.edu.cn/article/20100927141138952.shtml


China-Africa Education Cooperation Under the Framework of FOCAC


http://www.gsid.nagoya-u.ac.jp/syamada/China-Africa%20Education%20Cooperation%20Under%20the%20Framework%20of%20FOCAC.pdf


http://www.consultancyafrica.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1059:blackboard-cooperation-chinas-role-in-educating-africa&catid=58:asia-dimension-discussion-papers& Itemid=264

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quote:
understand where you're coming from, but there is more to story....and a lot has to be combat after hundreds of years of western imperialism.
Colonialism lasted less than 100 years. Africa has enough resources to build its own infrastructures. Just a shameless inferiority complex on the part of Kenyatta.
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Resources.....technology?? Which is it?

If I read correctly. Japan got a lot of American help and technology after WWII. Just curious , can any African country build a simple airplane? I am not talking jet. Propeller. The technology is over 100 years old.

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I know sudan,nigeria and south africa could build planes.
Maybe egypt,but i am not to sure yet.

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This interesting too.

Home-made helicopters hit northern Nigeria

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http://www.modernghana.com/ghanahome/photos/event_album.asp?parent_id=9102&action=view


Wow! Nigerian Man Builds Light Plane PHOTOS and VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN809M8BXVM


Pictures Of A Made In Nigeria Helicopter by a 24 year old physics undergraduate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H72exlbT3wY


Man Builds His Own Helicopter - Bulawayo, Zimbabwe (1994)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybgQJlYRrZs

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An innovative Kenyan is just about to test the results of his brainchild. Gabriel Nderitu, an I.T specialist is putting final touches to an aeroplane he has been assembling for the last one year ahead of a test run in Kitengela next week. If indeed Nderitu's two seater plane takes off, and more importantly, lands successfully, then it will be a first for Kenya. Sylvia Chebet tells us more about the budding innovator and how close he is to becoming Kenya's pioneer in aircraft manufacturing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujU1DjaYfs4

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Africa’s homemade aircraft builders

Noble effort
Somalians Mohamed Abdi Barkadle, Saed Abdi Jide and Abdi Farah Lidan tried to build a helicopter with the aim of using it to fight fires.
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DIY dream

Student Mubarak Muhammed Abdullahi spent around a year building a 12-metre (39-ft) long helicopter out of spare parts.

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Flight of fancy
Abdullahi’s helicopter, powered by a second-hand Honda Civic car engine, actually flew.
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http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130625-africas-diy-aircraft-builders/1


Volunteers build first Ugandan airplane

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The first ever African made aircraft being built in Uganda


http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1233407

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Ethiopia produces first military drone aircraft

February 14, 2013 (ADDIS ABABA) – An Ethiopian military source has told Sudan Tribune that the country has built the first unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) or drone which could be used for multiple purposes.


http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article45518


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Serbian Lasta-75 Example of Sudan’s Military Might

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Sudan
Military Industry Corporation
The Military Industry Corporation is the state-run defense corporation of Sudan. It is responsible for the production of a wide range of defense equipment, such as main battle tanks, ammunition and electronics.

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correction,aircraft were made in africa before the uganda one.

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quote:
[b]The first ever African made aircraft being built in Uganda[/bold]
Airplanes--including military aircraft--have been produced under factory conditions in South Africa.
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Re the East African railway. What should have been done is that the heads of state in the region should have met and decided to pool resources to build the railway. It's just a matter of clearing the ground and laying tracks. I doubt that the proposed tarck would be electrified.

Funds? Use the African Development Bank or the World Bank. If the WB balks then borrow the funds on the international market--with hard bargaining for low interest rates. Or just float bonds locally to be matured with a local regional currency.

Curious to know. What is china getting in return?

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This map showing the ancient silk road sea route trade show the key to African countries empowerment. The Indian ocean and South China sea trade will bring great wealth to Africa.

Self love, loving your good ancestor, worshiping your own God, Believing in your self are the key to great technological achievement. With those qualities it will be easy for a smart African person to build a Boeing passenger plane, GM cars, Google type search engine, windows operating system,Samsung smart phone, HP laptop, F15 jetfighter etc.

A smart black African who worship his own god can just call the spirit that will enter his body and help him create whatever thing he want.

One of white people greatest weapon use on black people is conscious and subconscious self hatred and self doubt. This is accomplish by erasing black people from history, make black people worship white God, practice European version of black religion and degrading black people in the media. White and Asian are human being that eat, sleep, sh1t and die, they are not God whatever they do a black person can do it to.

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quote:
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understand where you're coming from, but there is more to story....and a lot has to be combat after hundreds of years of western imperialism.
Colonialism lasted less than 100 years. Africa has enough resources to build its own infrastructures. Just a shameless inferiority complex on the part of Kenyatta.
The West openly supported Kenyatta's opponent,Odinga in the election. No less than Johnnie Carson,US undersec for African affairs stated 'choices have consequences',warning the public about a Kenyatta presidency.
Recently,just last week he choose to ignore the Commonwealth meeting and attend the Arab Africa summit instead.
Please explain your inferiority complex statement.

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He ignored the Commonwealth meeting because he is wanted by the ICC for "crimes against humanity" and his sorry alternative is to kiss Arab *** at the so-called "Arab-Africa summit".

Why should Kenyatta break bread with criminal states like Saudi Arabia and Libya that are waging Arab jihad against Africans in Mali, Libya, CAR, Sudan, Nigeria, etc.

In Kenya, Indians, Arabs, and Jews are the big ruling boys over there. Uhuru[which means "freedom"]Kenyatta is just a cringing puppet in all of this. All he knows is to terrorise Africans in Kenya--as the Hague is now telling him.

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quote:
Originally posted by kikuyu22:
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Originally posted by lamin:
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understand where you're coming from, but there is more to story....and a lot has to be combat after hundreds of years of western imperialism.
Colonialism lasted less than 100 years. Africa has enough resources to build its own infrastructures. Just a shameless inferiority complex on the part of Kenyatta.
The West openly supported Kenyatta's opponent,Odinga in the election. No less than Johnnie Carson,US undersec for African affairs stated 'choices have consequences',warning the public about a Kenyatta presidency.
Recently,just last week he choose to ignore the Commonwealth meeting and attend the Arab Africa summit instead.
Please explain your inferiority complex statement.

kikuyu22 is kenyan i believe so i will ask this.

Are arabs,jews AND INDIANS RULING OVER you? or lamin is making stuff up again?

That's why i try to stay away or stay away from these threads on modern africa on this forum.


I KEEP saying to him and folks like him,black africans are the rulers and run these african countries or most of them,not whites.

The only places non-blacks rule are northern african countries(sudan is really east africa to me and ruled by blacks)and Mauritius and mauritania are ruled by non-blacks.


From WHAT i could tell, see and read black africans are the big ruling folks over there in kenya.

Oh and son of ra,great videos.

I like good news like that coming from africa,you know postive news.


Anyway i am getting out of this thread,i had enough.

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What do you "Lamin...making stuff up--again". LOL. I don't make stuff up. I try to present the unvarnished and material truth.

I guess you don't understand how things are run in Africa. Well, think of a plantation with and absentee landlord who dashes the overseers ever so often with spending money[ aka "foreign aid" who keeps the peons in check with massive economic and political brutality.

When the overseers exceed their "violence quota" there could be complaints and the ICC would come calling.

And no one dares send any of the absentee landlords and their ilk to the ICC.

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quote:
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He ignored the Commonwealth meeting because he is wanted by the ICC for "crimes against humanity" and his sorry alternative is to kiss Arab *** at the so-called "Arab-Africa summit".

Why should Kenyatta break bread with criminal states like Saudi Arabia and Libya that are waging Arab jihad against Africans in Mali, Libya, CAR, Sudan, Nigeria, etc.

In Kenya, Indians, Arabs, and Jews are the big ruling boys over there. Uhuru[which means "freedom"]Kenyatta is just a cringing puppet in all of this. All he knows is to terrorise Africans in Kenya--as the Hague is now telling him.

No.No. And no. The Commonwealth is the most useless organisation in the history of the world. Its nothing but a talking shop for Britains ex colonies;look at the attendees list and tell me if you see anyone worthy of leadership.
He has an ICC court case,yes but if you read beyond the misleading headlines you'd know how flimsy and indeed unacceptable the case is:fyi,he's accused of planning retaliation in late November 2007 before the violence even began a month later!
Also Indian,Arab and Jew control of the economy has shrunk immeasurably since Kibaki took over in early 2003. The African control of the finance sector grew rapidly. In fact the largest, equity bank is a case study of exponential growth in a 3rd world market.
Foreigners may still own the majority heavy manufacturing and assembly outfits but retail,real estate,large agriprocessors and most service sectors are in indig hands.
Btw,you bring up the ICC. Why haven't we seen any Anglos in the dock?

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Btw,you bring up the ICC. Why haven't we seen any Anglos in the dock?
A naive question. I answered that above. Re the Commonwealth: but the fool would have been there were it not for the ICC thing. They still keep going to these meetings, they still keep begging for "foreign aid" which they promptly embezzle. The Muzungus in Europe know exactly what's going but just wink and let the little tyrants play at running things. Rule: just don't mess with their economic interests. They will turn on you like a horde of rabid dogs--a la Mugabe.
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The EU, USA and the ICC allowed South African President Nelson Mandela to have a forgiveness and reconciliation policy toward the white South Africans who killed and tortured hundred of thousand of South Africans. The Whites also sabotaged the future of generation of South Africans by not educating them. I think the ICC should allowed Kenyan President Uhuru Kenyata and his followers and Raida Odinga and his followers to reconcile and forgive each other publicly.

Draging the elected president of Kenya Uhuru Kenyata to a European court is very humiliating for Kenya and look like neo colonialism. The ICC is very bias toward Western chief of states. No Western politicians and generals have been indicted by the ICC for wars crimes despite all the wars fought by the West in modern time.

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quote:
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Btw,you bring up the ICC. Why haven't we seen any Anglos in the dock?
A naive question. I answered that above. Re the Commonwealth: but the fool would have been there were it not for the ICC thing. They still keep going to these meetings, they still keep begging for "foreign aid" which they promptly embezzle. The Muzungus in Europe know exactly what's going but just wink and let the little tyrants play at running things. Rule: just don't mess with their economic interests. They will turn on you like a horde of rabid dogs--a la Mugabe.
This discussion is difficult because you keep repeating false narratives you internalised from the Mainstream media. As far back as early 2003 Kibaki scaled back drastically the so called foreign aid,now amounting to less than 5% of the total budget.
In other countries that figure reaches 40%. Uhuru is done with the Anglos That's why he didn't bother with the Commonwealth. Why did the West fight so openly for Odinga?

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Why the West fight for Odinga? Small potatoes.
What has Kenyatta promised and what has he delivered? Nothing of significance. Just another corrupt neocolonial whose father grabbed a lot of the best land Kenya when the British landholders left. That's why Uhuru is a near billionaire without working for any of it.

How can such a corrupt man from land-grabbing corrupt family auger well for economic development. Once a crook always a crook and an inciter of bloody violence too.

But same old puerile and tired BS you find in Kenya: Kikuyu, Luo, Kalenjin, etc. always navel-gazing over some confounded identity-based BS. They should all grow up yesterday.

Uhuru done with the Anglos? LOL. When he throws out Barclays and Standard banks then talk to me.

Problem with Kenya? Same old BS of filthy rich but ignorant and ideologically bankrupt land grabbers and slums and more slums for the landless who run from the countryside into town. Would Uhuru ever touch that? Never.

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quote:
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Why the West fight for Odinga? Small potatoes.
What has Kenyatta promised and what has he delivered? Nothing of significance. Just another corrupt neocolonial whose father grabbed a lot of the best land Kenya when the British landholders left. That's why Uhuru is a near billionaire without working for any of it.

How can such a corrupt man from land-grabbing corrupt family auger well for economic development. Once a crook always a crook and an inciter of bloody violence too.

But same old puerile and tired BS you find in Kenya: Kikuyu, Luo, Kalenjin, etc. always navel-gazing over some confounded identity-based BS. They should all grow up yesterday.

Uhuru done with the Anglos? LOL. When he throws out Barclays and Standard banks then talk to me.

Problem with Kenya? Same old BS of filthy rich but ignorant and ideologically bankrupt land grabbers and slums and more slums for the landless who run from the countryside into town. Would Uhuru ever touch that? Never.

He's only been on the seat since April-he can't pull instant miracles out of his drawer. It is SAIDthe Kenyatta family owns a half million acres. I know their holdings are vast but that's the typical exaggeration of professional idlers of Civil Society none of whom have ever provided a proper breakdown.
Fyi,its not Kikuyu,Luo or Kalenjin though many would like to fram the issue as such-its about a 3rd world country chosing its own path out of poverty confounding the Anglo Jewish template of perpetual poverty. Do you have any idea the poverty reduction in the past decade? From 51% in 2003 to 42% in 2012; those are very real achievements.
You can't nationalise Anglo Jewish enterprises without expecting massive retaliation. That Westgate biz was actually a warning and a punishment via their proxies,the al shabab.
Last week the gov't tried to give out title deeds to slum dwellers in Kibera-the first step in poverty alleviation since they'd now be allowed credit;guess whose supporters sabotaged the event?Hint: he was the most recent MP.

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But Uhuru was once Minister of Finance, so where's that $3 billion that disappeared into a black hole[I am talking Astrophysics here].
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Lamin and Kikuyu What s happening in the Republic of Central Africa. It look like similar to Mali a moslem rebel group invaded the country and the President and army of the RCA were unable to stop them.

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quote:
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But Uhuru was once Minister of Finance, so where's that $3 billion that disappeared into a black hole[I am talking Astrophysics here].

WHAT 3 BILLION $!? There was never any truth in that story. The so called Civil Society pulled it straight out their collective arse. When they realised nobody was biting they fell silent. Again,I must stress don't believe the Mainstream narratives,most of them are bs.
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Lamin and Kikuyu What s happening in the Republic of Central Africa. It look like similar to Mali a moslem rebel group invaded the country and the President and army of the RCA were unable to stop them.
IDK,much about that part of the world except that the CAR exists in name only and the central gov't authority is only good in a small radius around the capital,Bangui-its always been that way. The normal dilapidated African infrastructure doesn't even exist.
France is fanning the flames as usual. IMO,the so called Muslim rebels are actually their indirect proxies. How come we've never heard of them before and suddenly they slaughter 200 Christians?? Its to justify French military action.

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