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There are many peoples who are black but their ethnonym is not Black, the difference between lower case black and upper case Black. I only know of one black people who use(d) Black as their ethnonym, the Black Americans.
As always, I identify black peoples as those deemed so by * Aeschylus * Manilius * al~Jahiz
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Yes there are many types of blacks, we don't all look alike.
Aeschylus has the king of the Argives list many a type of black when the Danaids proclaim Argive ancestry. The white king not seeing in them any modicum of whiteness tells them who he thinks their most likely relatives are
quote: "O stranger maids, I may not trust this word, That ye have share in this our Argive race. No likeness of our country do ye bear, But semblance as of Libyan womankind. Even such a stock by Nilus' banks might grow; Yea, and the Cyprian stamp, in female forms, Shows, to the life, what males impressed the same. And, furthermore, of roving Indian maids Whose camping-grounds by Aethiopia lie, And camels burdened even as mules, and bearing Riders, as horses bear, mine ears have heard; And tales of flesh-devouring mateless maids Called Amazons: to these, if bows ye bare, I most had deemed you like. Speak further yet, That of your Argive birth the truth I learn."
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500 years later comes Manilius who after listing white peoples give us the countries with various types of blacks
quote: "Ethiopians stain the orb deeply dark drenching humanity's forms. India's progeny is less scorched Egypt's Nile inundates the earth darkens bodies in grades like the irrigated field, now nearer the middle which produces a tone observing moderation. Sol dries the Afer peoples' dusty desert land, while Mauretania's own mouth named itself by the colour they have."
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700 more years pass and al~Jahiz pens who the Zanj reckon a type of black
quote: "And they said, 'The number of blacks is greater than the number of whites, because most of those who are counted as whites are comprised of peoples from Persia, the mountains, Khurasan, Rome, Slavia, France, and Iberia, and anything apart from them is insignificant.
But among the blacks are counted * Zanj * Ethiopians * Fezzani * Berbers * Copts * Nubians * Zaghawa * Moors
the people of * Sind * the Hindus * the Qamar * the Dabila * the IndoChinese
and those beyond them. The sea is more extensive than the land, and the islands in the sea between IndoChina and Zanzibar are full of blacks, like the * Sarandib * Kalah * Amal * Zabij and its islands up to Hindustan and IndoChina
Kabul and those coasts.
"They said, 'The Arabs come from us -- not from the whites -- because of the similarity of their colour to ours. The Hindus are more yellow in color than the Arabs, yet they are counted among the black peoples."
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The only type, so-called 'black,' who may be mostly white is the one-drop kind.
Readily seen, that variety goes haply missing from Aeschylus, Manilius and al~Jahiz. Besides the make believe 'one-drop' 'blacks' some other types of real blacks were unknown to them; Australians, Papuans, Melanesians, and so.
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I challenge the author of this thread to produce quotes by the first two authors where they speak about people, and in the original language they wrote in, referred to someone using their native tongue, a word for the color black. Also al~Jahiz, now that I think about it he wrote "on the superiority of the blacks on the whites" I'm not sure the actual words in Arabic he used in the original, so all three authors
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Tukuler - Are those quotes to make us laugh at the silliness of the Albinos in their bogus self-serving translations of ancient texts?
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Tukuler - Are those quotes to make us laugh at the silliness of the Albinos in their bogus self-serving translations of ancient texts?
real blacks were unknown to them
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note: for the new members, noting the member names of the first two posts, alTakruri and Tukuler, it's the same person switiching accounts for some reason. Everbody knows this ( ask other members) yet despite that fact in the second post he says "Yes..." as if answering a different person, lol
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You guys are welcome to reference the originals and give up your own translations.
My point is until last century or so nearly all the peoples mentioned were recognized as blacks whereas today only people descended from or at the source of western hemi sphere transported enslaved Africans are called blacks.
I maintain indigenous Africans, some Arabs, large numbers of Indians, most Indo-Chinese and of course Papuans and Melanesians are black people regardless of only remote genetic affiliation.
I do not recognize sociological blacks (people of only minute antecents of the above listed) as real blacks. I don't go for nonsense as blacks passing for white. They are not real blacks immediately identifiable as of one of the black peoples.
I do recognize such sociological blacks right to self-identify as black though physically they are not black.
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Stupid twit
Of course al~Takruri and Tukuler are synonymous. Info in the From parm verify the obvious and I have posted the al~Takruri and Tukuler tags are both mine when one poster didn't get it.
When I choose to use either is my business.
Both the 1st and 2nd posts of this thread are cut and paste jobs of original posting back in November of 2010.
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^^^ see people, he uses the black = skin color only definition
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Yes people black is color!
Well black is a color not a facial cast or body shape. I limit it Old World peoples and include any hybrids of majority descent from a black people.
Black is by no means the same as negro in English which is restrictive.
Two centuries ago Euros introduced the concept "black but not negro" which today is modified to "black means negro" where negro is an extreme phenotype supposedly West African.
Because black is a skin colour type most African, some Arabs, many Indians, etc cannot escape the black label and outside of Euro countries such people are still black. Eg. decades ago during the Jesse Jackson mediated Iran hostage crisis the Iranians said they would release the blacks. They then freed an Indian and a Black American, the Black American decided to remain a hostage with American loyalty than superceded colour.
Bottomline: yes there are many black races, not one global recently related black race
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB]
~who's blacker ???
Now as for assholes who can't see the difference in actual dark skin and sunburnt light skin their agenda is obvious.
Not to mention they focus on an individual rather than the group descent of the individual
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As always, I identify black peoples as those deemed so by * Aeschylus * Manilius * al~Jahiz [/QB]
In other words, topping the list for describing who people are, a Greek and a Roman determine it, as authorites
And the irony is, if I am not mistaken, they do not even use the Greek or Latin words for black
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler:
Now as for assholes who can't see the difference in actual dark skin and sunburnt light skin their agenda is obvious.
Manilius:
.....The Ethiopians stain the world and depict a race of men steeped in darkness; less sun-burnt are the natives of India; the land of Egypt, flooded by the Nile, darkens bodies more mildly owing to the inundation of its fields: it it a country nearer to us and its moderate climate imparts a medium tone. The Sun-God dries up with dust the tribes of Africans amid their desert lands; the Moors derive their name from their faces, and their identity is proclaimed by the colour of their skins. Posts: 42939 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
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Timeframe oh witless twit.
Where's you analytic skills?
Continuity and consistency on who is black in chronological listing from some available literature listing black peoples
All distraction aside you cannot assail ancient Greeks common era Romans and the medieval Zanj themselves all agree who is black and black is not limited to people of enslaved African ancestry.
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Timeframe oh witless twit.
Where's you analytic skills?
Continuity and consistency on who is black in chronological listing from some available literature listing black peoples
All distraction aside you cannot assail ancient Greeks common era Romans and the medieval Zanj themselves all agree who is black and black is not limited to people of enslaved African ancestry.
quote the original language passages in Greek or Latin where the word for "black" is used
then answer why Greeks and Romans are the authority on ethnic groups other than themselves
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seventeen mirrors floating on the sea catch as catch can but you can't catch me
You forgot the Zanj oh dumbass twit.
Who the Zanj say are black is no different than what the Greek and Roman said.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Timeframe oh witless twit.
Continuity and consistency on who is black in chronological listing from some available literature listing black peoples
All distraction aside you cannot assail ancient Greeks common era Romans and the medieval Zanj themselves all agree who is black and black is not limited to people of enslaved African ancestry.
quote the original language passages in Greek or Latin where the word for "black" is used
then answer why Greeks and Roamns are the authority on ethnic groups other than themselves
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
Laugh at the clown's clowning around when (s)he twit knows (s)he has no sound argument against the facts and justs accepts the 21st century Euro imposed definition of who is black in preference to all others definitions.
I have no time for fool ass clowns.
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Laugh at the clown's clowning around when (s)he twit knows (s)he has no sound argument against the facts and justs accepts the 21st century Euro imposed definition of who is black in preference to all others definitions.
I have no time for fool ass clowns. [/QB]
Laugh at the clown, who includes indo chinese as black yet calls other dark people "sun burnt" and then when we go to the Greeks and Romans they are also using "sun burnt' descriptions, the hypocrisy. By your definition all the above should be black. I didn't say that was wrong, if you use color only-then do it consistently fool
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The Roman Catholic Church burned all the Ancient libraries and books of the Mediterranean world. One Catholic bishop stated there is no trace of the Ancient literature. Few manuscript from the 20 cent BC survive today. Most of the ancient books are copy of copy of copy.
Who were copying those manuscripts?. The Catholic Church monk. The same people that was burning libraries were the one copying ancient manuscripts. The Benedicts monks and Jesuits erased many pages of ancient manuscripts and forged many pages of ancient manuscripts. Few ancient text are 100% pure. Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte stated History was European lie agreed upon. The Spanish, British, French, Portuguese, Jesuit colonized the world and they translated and corrupted many text. Some of the original uncorrupted text are probably in the Vatican library or the Russian Orthodox Church library(Constantinople books).
The Roman considered themselves at some time an intermediate people aka mulato between the dark skin Ethiopian and the pale skin German. I don't think the Roman, Iberian and Persian were white people as describe by Manilus and Al Jahiz. I think those people were in majority mulato during classical time with a large black minority population. The Southern European population of Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece are dark skin today. Large part of the Romanian and Bulgarian population are dark skin.
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Thread bumped moved and reopened as a sidebar to a currently discussed issue
There are many peoples who are black but their ethnonym is not Black, the difference between lower case black and upper case Black. I only know of one black people who use(d) Black as their ethnonym, the Black Americans.
As always, I identify black peoples as those deemed so by * Aeschylus * Manilius * al~Jahiz
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Yes there are many types of blacks, we don't all look alike.
Aeschylus has the king of the Argives list many a type of black when the Danaids proclaim Argive ancestry. The white king not seeing in them any modicum of whiteness tells them who he thinks their most likely relatives are
quote: "O stranger maids, I may not trust this word, That ye have share in this our Argive race. No likeness of our country do ye bear, But semblance as of Libyan womankind. Even such a stock by Nilus' banks might grow; Yea, and the Cyprian stamp, in female forms, Shows, to the life, what males impressed the same. And, furthermore, of roving Indian maids Whose camping-grounds by Aethiopia lie, And camels burdened even as mules, and bearing Riders, as horses bear, mine ears have heard; And tales of flesh-devouring mateless maids Called Amazons: to these, if bows ye bare, I most had deemed you like. Speak further yet, That of your Argive birth the truth I learn."
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500 years later comes Manilius who after listing white peoples give us the countries with various types of blacks
quote: "Ethiopians stain the orb deeply dark drenching humanity's forms. India's progeny is less scorched Egypt's Nile inundates the earth darkens bodies in grades like the irrigated field, now nearer the middle which produces a tone observing moderation. Sol dries the Afer peoples' dusty desert land, while Mauretania's own mouth named itself by the colour they have."
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700 more years pass and al~Jahiz pens who the Zanj reckon a type of black
quote: "And they said, 'The number of blacks is greater than the number of whites, because most of those who are counted as whites are comprised of peoples from Persia, the mountains, Khurasan, Rome, Slavia, France, and Iberia, and anything apart from them is insignificant.
But among the blacks are counted * Zanj * Ethiopians * Fezzani * Berbers * Copts * Nubians * Zaghawa * Moors
the people of * Sind * the Hindus * the Qamar * the Dabila * the IndoChinese
and those beyond them. The sea is more extensive than the land, and the islands in the sea between IndoChina and Zanzibar are full of blacks, like the * Sarandib * Kalah * Amal * Zabij and its islands up to Hindustan and IndoChina
Kabul and those coasts.
"They said, 'The Arabs come from us -- not from the whites -- because of the similarity of their colour to ours. The Hindus are more yellow in color than the Arabs, yet they are counted among the black peoples."
.
The only type, so-called 'black,' who may be mostly white is the one-drop kind.
Readily seen, that variety goes haply missing from Aeschylus, Manilius and al~Jahiz. Besides the make believe 'one-drop' 'blacks' some other types of actual blacks were unknown to them; Australians, Papuans, Melanesians, and so.
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