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Originally posted by scooter seller:
Well the cote d'azur is full of Middle eastern trash too - where can we, the creme de la creme go? I wonder.

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Originally posted by scooter seller:
it depends how many scooters we manage to sell doesn't it ? The Rothschild's started off as seedy money lenders in frankfurt...

Well, you can always stay at the Four Seasons in Sharm, definitely not disco-land, but then , it lacks identity..you could be in any luxurious resort in the world.

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Otherwise the course of events is the same everywhere - first you have a charming seaside village. Then some celebrities feverishly looking for a place to feel like "normal people" , or any new as yet unboring place, find it and cannot keep the secret. Next all wannabes and celebrity-watchers move in. Then come the developers with high rise hotels and holiday villages, and masses and masses of people for whome quality and difference in vacations is determined by the breakfast table and amenities in the bathroom. after that real fatigue sets in and after a while the "civilization" moves on to its next discovery.

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Originally posted by epose:
According to what I've been reading on this website, and from what I've been hearing, the red sea cities have been invaded by eurotrash and their counterparts from n.a. I haven't been to sharm in a while, and I used to go just for the scenary and the opportunity to breath some fresh air. Now it's transforming into a large disco. Another ibiza rather then cot d'zure. Feel free share your opinions and/or experiences.

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You will not find out what Sharm is like by reading this site. If you can ride a horse and go into the desert, or have two feet to walk with on the cliffs above the sea you will find all the fresh air you could wish for in a lifetime. Yes there are a few clubs/ discos that make up a part of the evening entertainment but there are far more cafes where you can just sit, talk and watch the world go by, and listen to the prayer call from the mosque.
Sharm is not Ibiza very very far from it.

Actually I quite understand though I am acquainted with Sharm only since 2001 so my eyes register no change. Old Market dirty as always, Naama noisy as always, and I do not go to clubs or pubs. If I wished spend time with brits or italians, then i'd have gone to italy or britain . but who is behind all the disco rage.. I assume Egyptians themselves are?? They probably think it is cool? Because in our hotel they had a disco too but it played the most horrible kind of music so it was empty most evenings except for the horrible show of men playing a dancing horse, and some really pitiful dervishes, most people endured simply because it was at least SOMETHING in a great big empty house. So how to spend the evening time is of course always a headache, window-shopping and haggling can be fun once you master it but it is till also tiring and there is essentially not so much to buy. I really hate to bury my apartment under paraphernalia, so I do not own not one sheesha .

So what I noticed is that of course the managements of hotels are pretty lax, the properties could be much better cared for, you save on early renovation costs and people not returning because they think you do not quite strech to the amount of stars you claim to have, PLUS there could be much more entertainment. As far as I see it people go to Red sea pockets full of money and they return pockets full of money because there is nothing to do or buy. Not the east europeans maybe who struggle to meet their daily food&sightseeing budget but the germans, italians aso aso. My hotel had an undeused piano bar, where they employed an old perfumed crony playing Hollywood film ballades with stiff fingers, and when he left he took care to switch on the mechanical piano thing. And there was a perfect little venue for e.g. vocal music outside, totally unused.
of course the hotel was a favourite among arab families and these mainly contented with eating mounds of food at all times and after that disappeared. I think they spent whole days simply sitting on terrace of own room or the ones with younger and more beautiful wives usually seated themselves in the elegent lounge in the lobby. A few with smaller children could be seen at the pool and almost none on the beach, clothes or no clothes. (I liked the fact it was hotel with bias on domestic sales, much more exotic this way) but yes, a lot of unutilised possibility.

In my country we have the trouble with all these "got some pocket money from mom and we are going to Egypt with Mimmy now, to party wildly for a week, can anyone recommend a great nightclub and please what should i wear and what does booze cost".. the darlings do not have a clue! It's because its seen as a cheap destination and then naturally attracts all peole with smallest budgets and who'd feel like flees on a chandelier in any more sophisticated place.
So, work on sophistication, maybe?? Although nightclubs+booze are good easy money, not so difficult to handle, not much work. but I'm still amazed one does not believe one could gather a couple of hundred people each night from all Sharm area for a concert of some nice egyptian music! I've seen some in TV I love it but you get no access, nowhere! The best of Egypt could be represented in these areas where a big part of the world makes its first and sometimes last acquaintance with your country. So why do I need to walk between rows and rows of shops selling cheap italian clamottes and the like???

So development is essentially same but components differ and the scenery, the environment and its rules is different. Present artists are web designers maybe more than painters and we stopped going to theatre or cinema when TV came. In Europe we are at the beginnning of a new circle very soon again I believe, with working becoming less and less popular after all these generations who spent their lives on shuffling in money but not so much else, so timespending may enter a new era at us, soon.

Is just my speculation

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Originally posted by nevermind:
So development is essentially same but components differ and the scenery, the environment and its rules is different. Present artists are web designers maybe more than painters and we stopped going to theatre or cinema when TV came. In Europe we are at the beginnning of a new circle very soon again I believe, with working becoming less and less popular after all these generations who spent their lives on shuffling in money but not so much else, so timespending may enter a new era at us, soon.

Is just my speculation

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That's an interesting point and for sure the younger generation in Europe seem to have a whole new attitude to work having taken a good hard look at their parents lives. They are entering the work place at a much later age and seem to be less dedicated to making work/career the centre of their lives.
However this cirle is at a very different stage in Egypt to that in Europe.