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Hello everybody i have Egyptian hasbend and we thinking to move to Egypt we liveing now in Italy and his family liveing in ismailia and i don't know if i can live there or not someone can say to me more information about this city please
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If you have to move to Egypt go to Cairo or Sharm El Sheikh where you find other Italians in your area. Perhaps Alexandria and Hurghada are also to recommend. Any other place NO WAY.
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So what if his family is living there. Do you intend to live with them? For how long? Is your husband going to have work there?? Will he be able to support both of you??
Have you visited Ismailia before?? Really go on vacation and check it out yourself.
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quote:Originally posted by Tigerlily: So what if his family is living there. Do you intend to live with them? For how long? Is your husband going to have work there?? Will he be able to support both of you??
Have you visited Ismailia before?? Really go on vacation and check it out yourself.
Weren't you wandering around on the beach in ISlaimia in a bikini at one time?
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Ismailia is not bad as long as you keep off the fallahin districts like eltal el kebir, qantara east, qantara west. Fayed and Ismailia (capital) are okay..they're more urbanized and cleaner than elsewhere, even better than most of Cairo and Alexandria's crowded suburbs or heavily populated neghborhoods.
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Also TL you imply she should not go there just for the family but then state go and live where there are Italians. So it is ok for her to be with familiarity but not hubby!!!
111, go and try it, it is not a bad place and you aren't a million miles from anywhere... personally I believe it is how you live and not where you live so if you guys are happy then the location should not be an issue.
As for the advice on moving to Hurghada, yeah we should all pack our bags and move to a holiday resort that attracts tramps!
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quote:Originally posted by Cheekyferret: Also TL you imply she should not go there just for the family but then state go and live where there are Italians. So it is ok for her to be with familiarity but not hubby!!!
Because she's gonna be bloody homesick. Italians are very family orientated just as the Egyptians. At least if she has Italian women in her local area it would make a big difference. But they are smart - you won't find them in Ismailia.
quote:Originally posted by Cheekyferret: 111, go and try it, it is not a bad place and you aren't a million miles from anywhere...
May I laugh out loud????? Yeah I wanna see you for a month there..... at least you got bottles to keep you company. Cheers!!!!
You don't have any problem to live in Egypt cause you live in "Hotel Mama" at the age of 34. But this lady here is married to an Egyptian, perhaps even has kids.
So if they indeed have kids, how she's gonna bring them out of Egypt if 'she doesn't like Ismailia'??
It's not that simple... really you have no clue but whatever.
Besides that the poster hasn't even come back with a reply if she has been to Egypt before or not. Obviously she has never been to Ismailia to visit his family - otherwise she wouldn't ask.
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I went to Ismalia a long long time ago and one of my good friends is from there. It's alright, but I think for a foreigner it will be very difficult.
I think the best thing to do is to visit first. Spend a month or two and see if you can cope. If yes, then move, if not, then maybe you and hubby can compromise. For example, you can stay in Cairo and visits his parents in Ismalia every weekend. My friend did that and it was fine, not too far.
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My advice is "dont take any advice". Go and find out for yourself. Then come back and update us on how you got on. Everyone lives differently and each to there own.
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quote:Originally posted by Cheekyferret: Also TL you imply she should not go there just for the family but then state go and live where there are Italians. So it is ok for her to be with familiarity but not hubby!!!
Because she's gonna be bloody homesick. Italians are very family orientated just as the Egyptians. At least if she has Italian women in her local area it would make a big difference. But they are smart - you won't find them in Ismailia.
quote:Originally posted by Cheekyferret: 111, go and try it, it is not a bad place and you aren't a million miles from anywhere...
May I laugh out loud????? Yeah I wanna see you for a month there..... at least you got bottles to keep you company. Cheers!!!!
You don't have any problem to live in Egypt cause you live in "Hotel Mama" at the age of 34. But this lady here is married to an Egyptian, perhaps even has kids.
So if they indeed have kids, how she's gonna bring them out of Egypt if 'she doesn't like Ismailia'??
It's not that simple... really you have no clue but whatever.
Besides that the poster hasn't even come back with a reply if she has been to Egypt before or not. Obviously she has never been to Ismailia to visit his family - otherwise she wouldn't ask.
Actually the above post, just goes to show that how little people know each other yet posts sound attacking. I have actually met CF and family, they are great.. and to say that she has no clue, is totally way off the mark! She may not be married, kids etc to an egyptian... but she mixes with the best of them and actually knows and offers good advice.
As for me... Nahhhhh I know bugger all....LOL
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The lady is Italian, the man is Egyptian. They met in Italy, they married in Italy, they lived in Italy and now he is thinking about returning to Egypt. The first question is why. The second question is: Does he have a job in Italy and does he have a job in Egypt? Same question for the woman. Do you have a house in Italy and do you have one in Egypt? Are there any children and what kind of childhood would you offer them in Egypt? Medical facilities; I expect Italy offers healthcare, how are you going to get that in Egypt? Are you insured against that? And on which level? Are you all healthy or are there regular visits to doctors needed? I think this are the basic issues: housing, living, medicines and education. Then we get to the not basic issues: the culture, society, what is going to be expected from you, as an Italian woman, living in Egypt? Family, friends, neighbours, or the society can put a lot of pressure on a man, when he is taking his foreign woman to Egypt, and that might result in problems. They could expect her to convert, wear hijab, raising up children in a different way, not going out alone, not having a job, not able to travel, that kind of things. It depends a bit on the customs in the family or on the neighbourhood, the social class, but there have been numerous cases of women who had to gave up a lot of freedoms that were naturally in her own enviroment. All issues to discuss before you take the decision to leave Italy and settle down in Egypt...
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I agree with Mrs H, go and find out for yourself as believe it or not we are all different.
Some of are not homesick and have adapted superbly to the surroundings they choose to live in.
My SIL is Italian... she is like me, she could live anywhere and be happy as a pig in crap
Apparently renting from me mum and socialising a lot is all tigerbore has to throw at me. forgive me dreadful sins pmsl.
I only work with Egyptians, socialise with Egyptians and live in Egypt, WTF do I know about owt
I did actually forget Tigerbore speaks for all Westerners, women, Egyptians, Europeans, mothers and animals!!! Silly me!
Mrs H... we both know bugger all and neither do my folks who have only been here for over half my life
I am 33 btw stalker bore. I am not 34 till the 26th March We are all of to the Red Sea for the weekend, if you happen to be around the continent that weekend do drop by and have a tequila with me and me and my beautiful Egyptian boys that I like to play with daily Posts: 11097 | From: Cairo | Registered: May 2008
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Weren't you wandering around on the beach in ISmailia in a bikini at one time?
Weren't you collecting seashells too?
This is too funny.. Sono doesn't forget anything..TL answer this question please, then post pictures of you in a bikini while bending down to pick seashells..back view. Posts: 3219 | From: Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone. | Registered: Nov 2005
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Well the correct answer was G. So the guessing can continue.....
And Dzosser it is infact kinda strange that sonomod would ask me that. My sense is that she perhaps developed sexual fantasies about ME. I mean in the past she brought up numerous times my husband and swinger club... go figure!!
Okay to make it clear - I AM STR8 so no chance, sono. Now back off!!! Posts: 30135 | From: The owner of this website killed ES....... | Registered: Feb 2004
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Thanks everybody for answers but i will wait to see whats others will say ... and anyway i don't know why all have negatives about Egypt and Egyptians i want say something for all European Woman's if you see everything in Egypt negative don't love Egyptians or married them leave them alone For all European woman's answer me please what happen in .. 1- Russian (Young woman's married old mans why ? )and what they do after his money finish . 2- German (old German mans with Koran woman - Indians woman - and others and other ) what they do after 6 month . 3- English old mans with Spanish Young woman Mexico Young woman's Thoth Africa Young woman ) 3-a- English old Woman's with norther Young African man - and Thoth American Young mans - how many married English woman go to bed with other man ? all red news please . 4- USA old mans how many married Young Mexico and Russian and Thoth America !!!!! old American woman how many married Africans Young mans ??? this mean not only Egyptians **** people look at all world look in meroco look in tonesan llok in dobi look in everywhere . leave Egypt and Egyptian alone i begging to hat my self because i read in internet about Egypt all talk negative make me crazy and see my Man like monster internet make me binging to hat him i will stop read in internet anymore i want look at my life internet doesn't help everyone here in this website sick just spend time front of one computer that all here doing have no friend have no normal life talk negative all time ... everyone look and read about your country what happen there . i am finish with all
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I live in Egypt and can honestly state there are a lot of happy mixed marriages here. The negative comments on here are annoying, I am sure you will read many more negative tales over time as some folk want others to be as miserable as them. Personally in 17 years I have no sad stories to tell or stories of a bad time, life here for many westerners is awesome.
I suggest you visit as you may not like the place... or you may just feel it is too big a committment. On the other hand you may love it and make the best decision in your life to start a new... only you can make the choice as we are all different.
As for your comments about the British, your stereotyping is no differnt from Tigerbores or any other sweeping statement made by others about different nationalities.
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Please don't be upset from negative comments, Egypt is very different from Italy but you could find Ismailia to be right for you while another person (German) could find it bad..come here first and find out for yourself.
Btw..from which part of Italy are you ?? my Italian friend in Cairo is from Ancona, she loves Egypt and has a small laundry business to keep her busy. Posts: 3219 | From: Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone. | Registered: Nov 2005
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quote:Originally posted by lloll111: Thanks everybody for answers but i will wait to see whats others will say ... and anyway i don't know why all have negatives about Egypt and Egyptians i want say something for all European Woman's if you see everything in Egypt negative don't love Egyptians or married them leave them alone For all European woman's answer me please what happen in .. 1- Russian (Young woman's married old mans why ? )and what they do after his money finish . 2- German (old German mans with Koran woman - Indians woman - and others and other ) what they do after 6 month . 3- English old mans with Spanish Young woman Mexico Young woman's Thoth Africa Young woman ) 3-a- English old Woman's with norther Young African man - and Thoth American Young mans - how many married English woman go to bed with other man ? all red news please . 4- USA old mans how many married Young Mexico and Russian and Thoth America !!!!! old American woman how many married Africans Young mans ??? this mean not only Egyptians **** people look at all world look in meroco look in tonesan llok in dobi look in everywhere . leave Egypt and Egyptian alone i begging to hat my self because i read in internet about Egypt all talk negative make me crazy and see my Man like monster internet make me binging to hat him i will stop read in internet anymore i want look at my life internet doesn't help everyone here in this website sick just spend time front of one computer that all here doing have no friend have no normal life talk negative all time ... everyone look and read about your country what happen there . i am finish with all
LOL what a speech..... You will find that the majority of negative comments come from those who do not live here or have lived here, left and hated it. Come on over, have an adventure, you never know till you try and you may even find a great support network of people here! make your own mind up.
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Heh! It depends of course of how picky anyone is, but if I can live in Shebin el Kom, not the most beautiful or modern place in the world, then Ismailia must be livable! Italians in general seem to love and enjoy Egypt and your tastes here are much better catered for, in general. Most coffee here, if it is not Turkish, is espresso, and the number of Italian restaurants at least in Sharm I think exceeds the number of all other restaurants together, incl Egyptian ones. Parmesan is freely available in all decent supermarkets and the last time I went to Carrefour and asked for it, the boy there gave me a piece to taste, then gave me another piece and asked which one I preferred. Of course it was the other one - the Grana Padano! My cheese purchases being so sparce I had even forgot about it. Anything you would cook, with tomatoes or eggplant or pasta - the family would love, I am sure. "Bechamel" is a national dish here and it is actually a version of poor man's lasagne, or what? Any pasta dish with white sauce. The habit of eating french fries to almost any meal is the same and a good piece of beef steak goes a long way, too. Very similar eating habits, just learn to cook rice well and add to anything else! Plus if you can do a decent gelato at home... they'll lick you over!
Rucola is big and leafy as hell here and I have a pot of basil on the rooftop - have to cut it back every other week because cannot eat so much basil. Am thinking of starting to make own pesto, in fact, but I can eat only so much pesto per month, also.
Then furniture or clothes - any design trends in fact are copied from Italy, perhaps not necessarily high-end but still.. Dolce & Gabbana is Italian, or what? Being a foreigner you get away with wearing more or less what you please, unless live in a very backward village. An Italian lady in our town owns a clothes store, I think she brings clothes from Italy in a suitcase when travels there, because the choice is pretty bizarre , but she seems to do quite well for that.
Further, coming from Italy I think a bit of attention from men in the street, builders and the kind, should feel quite homely, or what?
No problem about explaining from where you are - everyone knows Italy! every third one has some friend or relative working there . If (if) your man is a Coptic, their religious-cultural habits are quite similar to Catholics.
The surroundings are not very esthetic, perhaps, for one thing. But you can always compensate for it inside our house, create your own "pergola" - we did and it is fantastic! although still a lot needs to be improved. Italy is not so spick and span either, not all over, not in South, e.g., but it is not less loved because of that.. If you both worked, the chances are you can afford to build a totally new home for yourselves, to your exact taste, land costs some but building and furnishing in general does not cost so much here.
Going out of house... it might become an issue, it is for me, because in the near vicinity there is simply much nowhere of value to go! But Cairo is at a decent distance and the road to Ismailia might even be not as congested as the rural road to Alex, which we use and which is quite horrible at times. If you plan to get children, or have any, you will be more home-bound for a period anyway, and you might even enjoy it more here then, because for sure you'll get so much help with babies from the rest of family you never even dreamed of!
Medical insurance might seem a blessing in Europe but I quite love it here that I have almost instant access to any however special doctor here, without the long schemes and rules of seeing first one doctor, then fighting with her for your right to see yet another one... And it costs much nothing while is pretty decent for the cost you pay. You just have to shop around at first for someone you feel comfortable with and whose diagnoses you trust . Many of them speak very decent English, even in villages.
All in all I used to crave a trip back home every second month or so, during my first year. I stopped yearning back when I saw that mostly everything I can think of, is available somewhere in Cairo. I still yearn for vacations, but this is not yearning for "civilisation" any more but simply travelling in way of holidaying. Posts: 1051 | From: Menoufeya | Registered: Feb 2005
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Nevermind, that is a great post. Kindda simplifies life for most of us.
Food is food... Italian food here is lush. I went for Pasta only Saturday
Surroundings... your home is your castle, do as you please, I always say it is how you live and not where you live. I mentioned that Ismailia is not too far from Cairo... trips could be easy with a little effort... especially if you are going with an Egyptian and don't even have to get by on pigeon Arabic!!!
Why do people assume medical assistance in the UK is free, aside from paying out my monthly salary becasue I was working I had to pay for all prescriptions! Also, the waiting lists in the UK are fricking ridiculous and you get more and more ill while waiting for help, I like the cheap and excellent medical attention here. They have done my family a great service for not a large amount of cash. Cheaper than going private in the UK!!!
I don't yearn to go back to the UK but I do like to go to special parties I won't be going for another 8 months now and I am not bothered, I am surrounded by friends I met here and have grown close too and with the wonders of mobiles, ipod touch, internet and landlines I am prob in more contact with loved ones than when I lived down the road from them
Life is what you make it, damn glad I chose to move and live a great life in a country that is real easy to live in
It is good to see positive posts from happy people who actually live here
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quote:Originally posted by nevermind: Heh! It depends of course of how picky anyone is, but if I can live in Shebin el Kom, not the most beautiful or modern place in the world, then Ismailia must be livable! Italians in general seem to love and enjoy Egypt and your tastes here are much better catered for, in general. Most coffee here, if it is not Turkish, is espresso, and the number of Italian restaurants at least in Sharm I think exceeds the number of all other restaurants together, incl Egyptian ones. Parmesan is freely available in all decent supermarkets and the last time I went to Carrefour and asked for it, the boy there gave me a piece to taste, then gave me another piece and asked which one I preferred. Of course it was the other one - the Grana Padano! My cheese purchases being so sparce I had even forgot about it. Anything you would cook, with tomatoes or eggplant or pasta - the family would love, I am sure. "Bechamel" is a national dish here and it is actually a version of poor man's lasagne, or what? Any pasta dish with white sauce. The habit of eating french fries to almost any meal is the same and a good piece of beef steak goes a long way, too. Very similar eating habits, just learn to cook rice well and add to anything else! Plus if you can do a decent gelato at home... they'll lick you over!
Rucola is big and leafy as hell here and I have a pot of basil on the rooftop - have to cut it back every other week because cannot eat so much basil. Am thinking of starting to make own pesto, in fact, but I can eat only so much pesto per month, also.
Then furniture or clothes - any design trends in fact are copied from Italy, perhaps not necessarily high-end but still.. Dolce & Gabbana is Italian, or what? Being a foreigner you get away with wearing more or less what you please, unless live in a very backward village. An Italian lady in our town owns a clothes store, I think she brings clothes from Italy in a suitcase when travels there, because the choice is pretty bizarre , but she seems to do quite well for that.
Further, coming from Italy I think a bit of attention from men in the street, builders and the kind, should feel quite homely, or what?
No problem about explaining from where you are - everyone knows Italy! every third one has some friend or relative working there . If (if) your man is a Coptic, their religious-cultural habits are quite similar to Catholics.
The surroundings are not very esthetic, perhaps, for one thing. But you can always compensate for it inside our house, create your own "pergola" - we did and it is fantastic! although still a lot needs to be improved. Italy is not so spick and span either, not all over, not in South, e.g., but it is not less loved because of that.. If you both worked, the chances are you can afford to build a totally new home for yourselves, to your exact taste, land costs some but building and furnishing in general does not cost so much here.
Going out of house... it might become an issue, it is for me, because in the near vicinity there is simply much nowhere of value to go! But Cairo is at a decent distance and the road to Ismailia might even be not as congested as the rural road to Alex, which we use and which is quite horrible at times. If you plan to get children, or have any, you will be more home-bound for a period anyway, and you might even enjoy it more here then, because for sure you'll get so much help with babies from the rest of family you never even dreamed of!
Medical insurance might seem a blessing in Europe but I quite love it here that I have almost instant access to any however special doctor here, without the long schemes and rules of seeing first one doctor, then fighting with her for your right to see yet another one... And it costs much nothing while is pretty decent for the cost you pay. You just have to shop around at first for someone you feel comfortable with and whose diagnoses you trust . Many of them speak very decent English, even in villages.
All in all I used to crave a trip back home every second month or so, during my first year. I stopped yearning back when I saw that mostly everything I can think of, is available somewhere in Cairo. I still yearn for vacations, but this is not yearning for "civilisation" any more but simply travelling in way of holidaying.
That's a great post nevermind. I raise my hat to you!
By the way are you the same Nevermind who was here a few years ago? I believe you were from Estonia?
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quote:Originally posted by nevermind: Heh! It depends of course of how picky anyone is, but if I can live in Shebin el Kom, not the most beautiful or modern place in the world, then Ismailia must be livable!
You live in Shebin el-Kom? 5 menoufs managed to get a diversity lottery visa and all in are Minneapolis now, so all 5 have gone to my ex for advice and help. I am fricking exhausted giving city tours and explaining life in America.
Again I wonder why any hubby would expect his wife to live in Shebin, though I do know of a few who did live for a short time in Shebin until their relationships fell apart.
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Aaa.. I think it was me, 7ayat. Thanks! Desperately seeking advice about my Egyptian boyfriend .
Estonia... People sometimes propose I am from Italy, in which case I nod - more simple that way, and sometimes I say I am from "Allemagna", that works, too. All other explanations are simply too complicated . Some of course propose Estonians are Russians, or speak Russian, etc, but that is lessening now. But it is a headache because almost everyone needs to know and simply "Europe" is not enough but more they do not know either. Beyond the "big" names . Quite a pity actually, that Egypt being basically a neighbour country now, Europe carries almost no importance here. I just studied textile exports, just out of curiosity. Around 80% if remember correctly is exported to the US, and out of the remaining 20% "some" goes to Europe but mostly to other Arab countries... I am afraid the same is true about the relations and knowledge in general.
Anyway, am a bit of an optimist, perhaps. But one thing is for sure, I think - the positive vibe here, you feel it too, don't you? Even the surroundings are shabby, mostly, and compromises must be made, but there is energy in the air, of wanting to live and develop and have a better life? Or is it just the sun and light? It really makes me genuinely happy to see how hard people around here work (not all perhaps, but many!) and how the life then also advances almost daily. I go out to town and voila another boutique has been opened there, over a week or two. I think the main shopping street has grown by half during the 2-something years we´ve lived here. I visit the driver we sometimes use, a humble man with a simple background, and he is proud to show a most elegant apartment he has earned for his family! Etc.
I always wonder if there shouldn't be a clever recipe of making a country the size of Egypt rich simply by everyone producing what everyone needs, for each other. I mean, it seems to be working already, just that it maybe has not been studied and dechiphered or worded yet.
Just I remembered still.. the issue of kids. My husband being Coptic I think different rules apply anyway, am forever confused where the difference goes exactly, but anyway - if the children have foreign passports and travel out with mother who is a foreign citizen, how can anyone even know to make trouble? Or do they fish you out based on the kind of living permit you have in your passport? I understand if children have no separate passports, and are born here, i.e. also registered as Egyptian citizens, then I think their only document is Dad's passport, and then all kinds of permissions from Dad, or something, apply? And it is more a Muslim rule than general, or what? Have not really got it clear but it keeps coming up in discussions here.
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Metinoot, you kind soul still in such good terms w your ex? Wish you all well! Menoufeya comprises some 3 million people, so you mean we've lost 5 to US now?? Omigod! :-O And thanks for the free "reading" of my future! With the tempers flying high in this country in fact I am myself pretty surprised about every new day. Still together - why?? How??? A mystery...
You know, firstly, only a filthy rich person can put the question so freely at all - where to live... Because he indeed can choose. For the rest of us, the mere mortals, you usually make the economical decision sooner or later, esp. when babies come, even outside Egypt, of living where you best can save your income for other purposes, or even save it up to move to somewhere better later.
But before we even come to the issue of economy, there are the emotional issue and cultural issue. My husband was born here so naturally he must love the place, or what? Or at least consider it livable . And the cultural issue is that if you are the oldest son or the only son, in Egypt, you simply have no choice. Your task is to stay at home and take care of your parents at their old age. Leaving them on their own is like leaving them onto the street..
Moving away and moving them with you... try to make an old person move from life-long home and feel happy???? Mind you, the American solution of sending them away to special "homes" is very convenient of course, but regarded pretty much outrageous anywhere else.
If you have brothers, you maybe have choice, but still the appreciated and "proper" way is to continue to live in the same house, and it is the best solution also economically. In our case, nowhere could we have achieved a spacious and comfortable home, built from zero (walls only), in barely 2 years... without having to sacrifice any family life or being together or being with our kids, to careers with the sole aim of making money. Just a side business here and there and we are quite comfortable... We have some friends living in posh areas of Cairo (relatively posh, not the closed communities) but they are either our parents' age or rent rather shabby and/or smallish apartments, in nice surroundings but with not the best view or layout. While rents in really nice communities are such that one would be crazy to give all that money away to a landlord, however nice he is. Though it is nice for a while, esp. if an employer pays for it, or so. So: to live in the family house or near it is the most realistic solution, the most economical, the most forward looking, for those who still dream also of a villa w pool, sea view etc , and the most acceptable emotionally and culturally! Few people also ever make it to so high positions and income abroad that it would beat coming back and having a Really Nice Life for the meager savings. Hadaba in Sharm is full of medical doctors wearing gold-rimmed glasses, returning from US or Germany, all owning a villa there and with gym memberships at Ritz-Carlton... For example .
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Nevermind I admire you! You have a nice way to put your words and a great attitude. I wish you all the best.
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Nevermind, I know what you mean about the energy on the streets. I always tell my husband that Sydney is very beautiful but doesn't have any energy or hustle and bustle, whereas Cairo is not beautiful but has the most amazing energy.
I am not sure about the passport issue. But I said on ES before that my FIL used to be married to a German woman and she just left one day with his kid and he never saw him again. But that was 40 years ago, so I'm not sure if they would have let her out of the country now if her son only had an Egypian passport.
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quote:Originally posted by nevermind: Metinoot, you kind soul still in such good terms w your ex? Wish you all well! Menoufeya comprises some 3 million people, so you mean we've lost 5 to US now?? Omigod! :-O And thanks for the free "reading" of my future! With the tempers flying high in this country in fact I am myself pretty surprised about every new day. Still together - why?? How??? A mystery...
You know, firstly, only a filthy rich person can put the question so freely at all - where to live... Because he indeed can choose. For the rest of us, the mere mortals, you usually make the economical decision sooner or later, esp. when babies come, even outside Egypt, of living where you best can save your income for other purposes, or even save it up to move to somewhere better later.
But before we even come to the issue of economy, there are the emotional issue and cultural issue. My husband was born here so naturally he must love the place, or what? Or at least consider it livable . And the cultural issue is that if you are the oldest son or the only son, in Egypt, you simply have no choice. Your task is to stay at home and take care of your parents at their old age. Leaving them on their own is like leaving them onto the street..
Moving away and moving them with you... try to make an old person move from life-long home and feel happy???? Mind you, the American solution of sending them away to special "homes" is very convenient of course, but regarded pretty much outrageous anywhere else.
If you have brothers, you maybe have choice, but still the appreciated and "proper" way is to continue to live in the same house, and it is the best solution also economically. In our case, nowhere could we have achieved a spacious and comfortable home, built from zero (walls only), in barely 2 years... without having to sacrifice any family life or being together or being with our kids, to careers with the sole aim of making money. Just a side business here and there and we are quite comfortable... We have some friends living in posh areas of Cairo (relatively posh, not the closed communities) but they are either our parents' age or rent rather shabby and/or smallish apartments, in nice surroundings but with not the best view or layout. While rents in really nice communities are such that one would be crazy to give all that money away to a landlord, however nice he is. Though it is nice for a while, esp. if an employer pays for it, or so. So: to live in the family house or near it is the most realistic solution, the most economical, the most forward looking, for those who still dream also of a villa w pool, sea view etc , and the most acceptable emotionally and culturally! Few people also ever make it to so high positions and income abroad that it would beat coming back and having a Really Nice Life for the meager savings. Hadaba in Sharm is full of medical doctors wearing gold-rimmed glasses, returning from US or Germany, all owning a villa there and with gym memberships at Ritz-Carlton... For example .
There's alot of assumptions and just plain stereotypes in your post. And yes I find it extremely insulting.
Actually there are far more than 3 million in el-Menoufia. There are 260,000 in the Shebin el-Kom area alone, so ask your hubby what the actual stats are; he probably wouldn't know but I have relatives (in-laws) who work in the government and do know.
I live just 2 blocks from my ex and we talk everyday almost. 2 of these new shebin dudes live in his building.
Now let me explain, even though folks get the diversity lottery visa many of them need to be sponsored. So they ask other folks who are from Shebin to sponsor them and luckily there are 2 shebin guys in this neighborhood. About 20 in the entire metro area and yes the concentration of Shebin expats is higher here than any part of the midwest. I volunteer with immigrants and I have come to understand immigration patterns. Immigration isn't what it was 100 years ago in America.
Actually in regards to a filthy rich person can chose anywhere they want to live.... as folks who have watched the edges of their community turn into slums they will disagree with you on that one.
quote:And the cultural issue is that if you are the oldest son or the only son, in Egypt, you simply have no choice.
Nope thats called an excuse. I know of plenty of "First born sons" who are Egyptian in this city. One of the 3 sponsors to these 5 new Shebin boys are eldest sons. So unless you know of a large expat Egyptian population in the west, you don't have a clue.
Secondly in regards to this, its a western assumption that daughters don't take care of their parents in old age. Plenty of women are divorced and remarried or their are widowed. Of all my in-laws and sister-in-law parents most of the 'grandma' women whether still married to their first husbands or widowed had bought villas decades ago and thus had an extra flat to house her mother and father. Doesn't mean the great grandparents sit around all day and watch grandbabies, these old timers are out and about some still have "small family businesses".
quote:Mind you, the American solution of sending them away to special "homes" is very convenient of course, but regarded pretty much outrageous anywhere else.
Only a quarter of elderly past the age of 75 end up in nursing or retirement homes. My mom work as an administrator in Nursing homes for 30 years she would know, besides that she actually lives in America and you don't. Again not all of that 1/4 actually stay and die in a nursing home. None of my family has ever lived in a nursing home. Unlike the Japanese and Italians which have state sponsored nursing homes and many more than just 1/4 end up being taken care of by "strangers".
In reality the average monthly cost for a resident at a nursing or retirement home ranges from $4,000 to $6,000 and I suppose thats the cost of hospice care too. All assets of the resident/old person is drained and then their adult children are expected to pay the cost for several months before medicare starts to pay some of the monthly costs. So for most Americans grandpa and grandma cannot go to a retirement home unless its very necessary and paperwork has been done ahead of time by several months. Most old people are placed in nursing homes in emergencies though.
quote:built from zero (walls only), in barely 2 years...
My ex's brothers just bought 3 bedroom "villa style" flats and the flats will be fully furnished within 6 months.
Right now what housing that was being built 1 year ago is all sold and there is restrictions on building more villas or flat buildings until some older housing is torn down. So plenty of carpenters need work, there is no way it takes 2 years to get a flat ready for living, 6 months tops.
Besides that any newer flat buildings and villas are the same price of many 'suburban' communities in Cairo. You'd think new construction would be cheap in Shebin and its not. Plenty of government functions and departments have been moved to Shebin from Cairo and that has driven the price of new homes immensely.
On the other hand store fronts of small family businesses have been shuttered in the last year. Business have shut down but due to the fact that business rent is collected every year these businesses have already paid and might reopen when the economy improves.
How long nevermind have you been in Shebin? How many trips have you taken to Shebin before moving there? And how do you plan to spend your time in Shebin? How long do you plan to live there?
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Hmmm... metinoot you do not sound like a person who would take insult easily.. or at least your own attitude is pretty agressive also, so you probably get what you ask for . Sorry! Anyway, for the sake of the discussion here...
Of course I speak in general terms and about general patterns, of course there are exceptions and what would families do who do not even have sons - of course then girls take over. You are quite right there. Why some oldest sons are in America - why not if they do a greater favour for their families and parent in this way? Plus if they are young enough, their parents may not even need their help so much yet. But do they stay, or for how long, or what percentage?
For this discussion level here I think "3 million" is about the precision most people need .
I take note that I was wrong, there is a shortage of nursing homes in US, actually.
Buying flats and apartments in Shebin... I am not talking of buying here, of course the prices are exorbitant then! A simple 2-bedroom flat in a most uninspiring high-rise building at the outskirts of Shebin I was told a few years ago cost well over 200000 LE! Who would buy to live in a nondescript flat in Shebin for that kind of money, nearly double of a basically sea view apartment quoted to us in Alex a year before, I do not know, but it seems a lot do.
But most people around here build themselves, of course! I.e. let the profis build for them, but still - big difference from outright buying. Because in a village of course your family owns a house or a plot, or both, and it would be stupid not to use these ready facilities, unless your pockets seriously run over. I know some guys, returned from a few years of hard work in Germany or Italy or some place, and built a most magnificent villa in the fields outside Shebin somewhere, will post a photo one day of what kind of villas we have here around, folks! but not for themselves, no! Their own families continue to live in the exact conditions where they themselves were brought up, and the villa they hope to sell! or perhaps have sold already. Lots of such stealth wealth around here, know a teacher of science who owns a couple of sweet plots of land around here and a couple of houses, keeping those empty, too, just for the purpose of investing his surplus income...
Your exe's brothers probably put in some hard work for a number of years, perhaps in US? which then allowed them to buy and furnish in 6 months, why not if all you have to do is to feed the money... . That you can do anywhere. What I was talking about is that we did not have any noticeable savings when we moved here, so 2 years is how long it took us to build and more or less furnish a home from our subsequent stray incomes... No loans involved. That I find is really sweet about life here.
Some businesses are improving, others are shutting down.... normal competition, I am afraid. The consumer moves to where he finds better selection or service. Imagine what will happen, when Metro or Carrefour arrive here! (suppose they will one day) Hopefully it will bring prices down some, a couple of places are getting seriously greedy here. While I do not know why no one wishes to compete with the pastry business here - 3 years and not one cake recipe has changed! There is just one recipe anyway, just that for a third of cakes they add cocoa, and for another third alternate cocoa with white cream . Despite being obviously very successful, especially before and during any holidays, when they set up additional counters by the street for that time. Me having a most enormous sweet tooth, but not so golden fingers around the kitchen, now this is the aspect where I find myself really deprived .
Thanks for the kind words, everyone else, do not overdo it, you are making me shy! Or perhaps vain. Much easier to fight with someone .
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Nevermind, Metinoot, is Sonomod. Remember Sonomod? The one who sent her daughter to live in Menoufiya and thinks she's an expert on anything Egyptian? Just ignore her.
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quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *: Nevermind, Metinoot, is Sonomod. Remember Sonomod? The one who sent her daughter to live in Menoufiya and thinks she's an expert on anything Egyptian? Just ignore her.
i guess we are gonna count on her daughter sticking her in an old ladies home when shes older huh?
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quote:Originally posted by nevermind: Hmmm... metinoot you do not sound like a person who would take insult easily.. or at least your own attitude is pretty agressive also, so you probably get what you ask for . Sorry! Anyway, for the sake of the discussion here...
Of course I speak in general terms and about general patterns, of course there are exceptions and what would families do who do not even have sons - of course then girls take over. You are quite right there. Why some oldest sons are in America - why not if they do a greater favour for their families and parent in this way? Plus if they are young enough, their parents may not even need their help so much yet. But do they stay, or for how long, or what percentage?
For this discussion level here I think "3 million" is about the precision most people need .
I take note that I was wrong, there is a shortage of nursing homes in US, actually.
Buying flats and apartments in Shebin... I am not talking of buying here, of course the prices are exorbitant then! A simple 2-bedroom flat in a most uninspiring high-rise building at the outskirts of Shebin I was told a few years ago cost well over 200000 LE! Who would buy to live in a nondescript flat in Shebin for that kind of money, nearly double of a basically sea view apartment quoted to us in Alex a year before, I do not know, but it seems a lot do.
But most people around here build themselves, of course! I.e. let the profis build for them, but still - big difference from outright buying. Because in a village of course your family owns a house or a plot, or both, and it would be stupid not to use these ready facilities, unless your pockets seriously run over. I know some guys, returned from a few years of hard work in Germany or Italy or some place, and built a most magnificent villa in the fields outside Shebin somewhere, will post a photo one day of what kind of villas we have here around, folks! but not for themselves, no! Their own families continue to live in the exact conditions where they themselves were brought up, and the villa they hope to sell! or perhaps have sold already. Lots of such stealth wealth around here, know a teacher of science who owns a couple of sweet plots of land around here and a couple of houses, keeping those empty, too, just for the purpose of investing his surplus income...
Your exe's brothers probably put in some hard work for a number of years, perhaps in US? which then allowed them to buy and furnish in 6 months, why not if all you have to do is to feed the money... . That you can do anywhere. What I was talking about is that we did not have any noticeable savings when we moved here, so 2 years is how long it took us to build and more or less furnish a home from our subsequent stray incomes... No loans involved. That I find is really sweet about life here.
Some businesses are improving, others are shutting down.... normal competition, I am afraid. The consumer moves to where he finds better selection or service. Imagine what will happen, when Metro or Carrefour arrive here! (suppose they will one day) Hopefully it will bring prices down some, a couple of places are getting seriously greedy here. While I do not know why no one wishes to compete with the pastry business here - 3 years and not one cake recipe has changed! There is just one recipe anyway, just that for a third of cakes they add cocoa, and for another third alternate cocoa with white cream . Despite being obviously very successful, especially before and during any holidays, when they set up additional counters by the street for that time. Me having a most enormous sweet tooth, but not so golden fingers around the kitchen, now this is the aspect where I find myself really deprived .
Thanks for the kind words, everyone else, do not overdo it, you are making me shy! Or perhaps vain. Much easier to fight with someone .
quote:But do they stay, or for how long, or what percentage?
Like many federal agencies the immigration bureau doesn't collect this data. But from my experience if the guy stays married to a American woman and has children with her he'll stay until his last months or until his kids graduate from college or get married.
The majority leave about 2 years after their visas expire or if they become naturalized they stay for 10-15 years maximum if they don't marry an American.
quote:For this discussion level here I think "3 million" is about the precision most people need .
There are currently 3 million residing in Menoufia and 8 million in Cairo.
But this is where it gets dicey. Remember how rural Chinese living in major urban centers are being denied government services because they were born in rural areas and later migrated to urban cities?
Egypt does the same. It doesn't matter if someone currently lives in Cairo, how the Egyptian receives their government services is based on where they were born. Often how they serve in the military is dictated by which governate they were born.
Western developed nations don't have this catch. But this is also why Menoufia has some of the best infrastructure and government services because they are the most populated governate by "birth".
Egyptian women go home to their mothers to give birth traditionally, yes some of the younger generation are giving birth in clinics and hospitals in Cairo but they spend the first 60 days at their mom's home. Naturally these children have their births registered in Menoufia not Cairo because of this tradition.
quote: nearly double of a basically sea view apartment quoted to us in Alex a year before, I do not know, but it seems a lot do.
Thats what I have been told, which is also the reason I was given for my former in-laws buying up 3 flats in Alex and another in Cairo before purchasing another 3 flats in Shebin. The market crashed for just under a year and building permits were halted so they got a good deal on 3 flats in the same building.
Shebin has the government jobs that are the "fast track" so the real estate is more expensive.
quote:But most people around here build themselves, of course! I.e. let the profis build for them, but still - big difference from outright buying.
And thats also why a number of flat buildings were razed. You need a building permit to build on your own land and it must be land that has had a building on it before. This means you need government approval to build and it can take several years to get this approval. It cannot be farm fields or agriculture lands turned into residential.
Despite what you've been told on ES Egypt does enforce its laws, its not an entirely backward nation in which anyone can do whatever they want as long as they "Hail the Pharoah". In Shebin with the Ministry of Justice having its critical operation offices there the locals end up being policed by the law more stringently than other governates.
Yes you can build a mud hut/shack by the canal but often those are taken down by the local authorities and police.
quote:Your exe's brothers probably put in some hard work for a number of years, perhaps in US? which then allowed them to buy and furnish in 6 months, why not if all you have to do is to feed the money... .
Kinda surprise no one jumped up to state my ex is the only brother let alone cousin to come to the USA. Nope the saved and put aside plan to expand the current businesses (good idea too because the economic crash came out of nowhere) to buy and furnish the flats. Right now many shops that sell cupboards, tiles and "non-appliance" items for furnishing flats need the business so its not like the "waiting period" for these items a few years before.
Much of what you have to say is the "packaged information" that many western women recieve from other westerners and of course their egyguys. I cannot understand why the two groups have the same story.
I on the other hand become swamped with Shebin locals who work for the government and can fluently or not so fluently speak English and want to dispel this type of information. Shebin isn't a town to keep a western wife in the dark about the realities of life in Egypt.
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Amy Mohamed you have never lived in Egypt and you are lecturing her, as in someone who has been their for two years about the culture?
Oh and your 'stats" are about twenty years old, Cairo has a population of approx 20 million not 8 you festival of freak.
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quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *: Amy Mohamed you have never lived in Egypt and you are lecturing her, as in someone who has been their for two years about the culture?
Oh and your 'stats" are about twenty years old, Cairo has a population of approx 20 million not 8 you festival of freak.
And for your information her stats for Menoufia being 3million also has Cairo as 6 million. Nevemind's website is German not Egyptian.
You need to look before you throw a fit and start calling people names. You know very well I can say some extremely hurtful things to you, but I am holding back because I'd rather have the information I am sharing make a point.
Now my CAPMAS data indicates Cairo's governate has 8 million residents Cairo القاهرة 100.0 8128671 0 8128671
According to CAPMAS Menoufia is only 20% urban and it sets 691,000 people as "urban" which 260,000 is actually in Shebin el-Kom th rest is rural and altogether that makes is just over 3 million. Menoufia المنوفية 20.5 3374177 2682767 691410
According to what Nevermind is telling us in her posts she has lived there for 2 years. But she has lived in tourism areas, her Egyptian works in tourism (or did) and doesn't sound like any of her in-laws work in the government or they'd know they can't build residences on agricultural land.
As I stated before western NGOs count current residents not population by governate of birth which might be why Cairo is 6 million according to Nevermind's data and 20 million by westnern NGO counts.
Westerners and you rely on western NGOs to collect "real data" while Egyptians collect data according to how Egyptian government needs data.
Much like how western tourists have the same information on Egypt as egyguys who work in tourism. Egyguys in tourism actual parrot information they've been fed by western tourists and don't care how Egyptian government formulates its data and information.
Might explain why Nevermind has the ideas she does after what she reports 2 years of living in Egypt.
And to understand Egyptian culture you must have a shared language with your egyguy. Now nevermind can type english but how can she speak english? how well can her egyguy speak english as well? Does her egyguy speak Estonian? And how many of her in-laws speak Estonian let alone English?
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Aaa! Sono! You know I was exactly thinking of good old Sono times here on ES when reading metinoot, but so these have never ended yet? Still, you are nicely informative, Sono, just that you tend to protest too much. As now, for example, it seems both you and I are right - the information that you and I supply is not contradictory - it is complementary.
But are you really a mom of a grown up daughter?? I used to think Sono is a slight young sexy thing herself in very marriable age?
I do not see where what I say differs from what you say? Building regulations no one is concerned about (beside the developers perhaps, whom I do not have the honour to know, nor do I know any "government" people ). Most who are about to finish now started it a good few years ago anyway. And there are lots of those old huts in middle of fields, for those who wish . These regulations (attempts to limit) are very similar everywhere in the world, state administration tactics are not so novel anywhere.
What part of my information is "package" information I do not know, but the good news is that it seems to be true then because I am just talking about what I see with my own eyes every day, not hear from anyone. People around here are quite disinterested in regulations etc, anything to do with the state in fact, I am sorry to say. For obvious reasons. But life goes on nevertheless, life always finds way to go on. People just disengage from what burdens them.
Pop statistics... I also noticed about Cairo, I think it might be due to the fact that some parts of "physical Cairo" are not parts of "administrative Cairo", e.g. Doqqi counts as Giza already which then is perhaps the governorate of 6 October or what? Shubra extends into Shubra el Kheima, a s o. Those who want will certainly find exact information on it somewhere.
About the language capacities around here... All my extended family speak English, in principle, but I think we can forgive them that since they do not have much use to it here around, most older ones have forgot a lot and young ones have not mastered yet. Hubbie's sisters speak nearly fluently because their M.S-s required they read quite a lot in English. Hubby was decent from the beginning, tutored by one of sis'es who now is jealous that he has surpassed her, hehe. Languages are not such issue, almost any one learns them who needs. Most people simply don't need. Myself I should be speaking Estonian, English, Finnish, Swedish, Russian, German, French and Arabic. And some Latin, of course, remember having written a fun essay in Latin in my university years, oh it was ages ago, the instructor of Latin was happy as Punch. But I only speak Estonian, English and some Arabic nowadays, though I can still read/understand the others, to various degrees. Because I loved to learn languages when I was at school but never ever needed them for any serious reason. A pity, of course, am forever thinking should start subscribing to Paris Match one day, to keep me fresh on French . And Der Zeit, or something. So posh here around, too - to speak French! An in-law actually, a very simple villager but obviously educated to a good level, as all good precious daughters around here, she sometimes gives English classes at a local school to beginners, she wants us hold some kind of French conversation sittings together because she has started to study it on her own and would like to practice..
So, I am happy that you also have a shared language with your guy, or at least his parents, Sono(meti)!
But we never discuss politics here or administration or whatever - nope. Religion perhaps, church holidays, i.e. fasts or when they shall end, or when our local bishop is on the Christian TV. That I have to admit. They were born to it, this is all they ever experienced, and all they know. All their world. Depending of specific family, as with everything, of course, but mostly so in the immediate vicinity here.
Thanks for all the information, meti, it is certainly very interesting!
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But Sono, you have a way with words, indeed... Government jobs that are "fast track" and "critical operation offices"... I feel so elevated I have the opportunity to live in such important environment
Might be an explanation to why there are so many good cars in the streets and, occasionally, a Hummer. Hubby says one belongs to the top hairdresser here but I am not absolutely sure if can trust him with that. Coiffeurs do make mystical money otherwise indeed, weddings being a big affair when no one counts what passes hands. But that a lot of you already know, perhaps.
5 years of living in Egypt, sono(meti), half in Sharm, half "in location" .
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quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *: Amy Mohamed you have never lived in Egypt and you are lecturing her, as in someone who has been their for two years about the culture?
Oh and your 'stats" are about twenty years old, Cairo has a population of approx 20 million not 8 you festival of freak.
And for your information her stats for Menoufia being 3million also has Cairo as 6 million. Nevemind's website is German not Egyptian.
You need to look before you throw a fit and start calling people names. You know very well I can say some extremely hurtful things to you, but I am holding back because I'd rather have the information I am sharing make a point.
Now my CAPMAS data indicates Cairo's governate has 8 million residents Cairo القاهرة 100.0 8128671 0 8128671
According to CAPMAS Menoufia is only 20% urban and it sets 691,000 people as "urban" which 260,000 is actually in Shebin el-Kom th rest is rural and altogether that makes is just over 3 million. Menoufia المنوفية 20.5 3374177 2682767 691410
According to what Nevermind is telling us in her posts she has lived there for 2 years. But she has lived in tourism areas, her Egyptian works in tourism (or did) and doesn't sound like any of her in-laws work in the government or they'd know they can't build residences on agricultural land.
As I stated before western NGOs count current residents not population by governate of birth which might be why Cairo is 6 million according to Nevermind's data and 20 million by westnern NGO counts.
Westerners and you rely on western NGOs to collect "real data" while Egyptians collect data according to how Egyptian government needs data.
Much like how western tourists have the same information on Egypt as egyguys who work in tourism. Egyguys in tourism actual parrot information they've been fed by western tourists and don't care how Egyptian government formulates its data and information.
Might explain why Nevermind has the ideas she does after what she reports 2 years of living in Egypt.
And to understand Egyptian culture you must have a shared language with your egyguy. Now nevermind can type english but how can she speak english? how well can her egyguy speak english as well? Does her egyguy speak Estonian? And how many of her in-laws speak Estonian let alone English?
You know I wish wish wish that Cairo has 6 million but it has approx 18 to 20 give and take. All the rest is the blah blah blah you usually write.
The fact is you've never lived in Egypt so do us all a favour and STFU.
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Oh I did not even know that one. I always keep Rotana open if need some noise in the background , maybe should switch sometimes.
It is quite interesting how many songs for babies and with babies are on the pop list here. About as if every "decent" celebrity should have one . Or do they do it to present themselves as very marriage-worthy .
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quote:Again I wonder why any hubby would expect his wife to live in Shebin,
I wonder why any mother would send her baby daughter to live in shebin, away from mother and father
quote:How long nevermind have you been in Shebin? How many trips have you taken to Shebin before moving there? And how do you plan to spend your time in Shebin? How long do you plan to live there?
How many trips have you been to shebin to see your daughter? When are you 'relocating' to raise your own daughter? How do you plan to live there when you do? Are you asking her so you can hook up and be friends and get info about living there and jobs?
quote:Thats what I have been told, which is also the reason I was given for my former in-laws buying up 3 flats in Alex and another in Cairo before purchasing another 3 flats in Shebin.
so why cant they let YOU have one so you can finally relocate and raise your daughter? You claimed at one time they were looking for a suitable home for you, they have many to choose from now. Considering you have supported this family for the last 7 years its the least they can do, now they have made all that money out of you. They made out of you 7+ flats and homes and you live in a hovel!
Nevermind, thanks for your posts, its nice to read from someone that lives here what life is like in different parts of Egypt. Ignore the crazy lady.......I use the term 'lady' very loosely, she is an expert on all things and master of nothing. Really who gives a **** if its 3 million or 3 million and 10?
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quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *: Amy Mohamed you have never lived in Egypt and you are lecturing her, as in someone who has been their for two years about the culture?
Oh and your 'stats" are about twenty years old, Cairo has a population of approx 20 million not 8 you festival of freak.
And for your information her stats for Menoufia being 3million also has Cairo as 6 million. Nevemind's website is German not Egyptian.
You need to look before you throw a fit and start calling people names. You know very well I can say some extremely hurtful things to you, but I am holding back because I'd rather have the information I am sharing make a point.
Now my CAPMAS data indicates Cairo's governate has 8 million residents Cairo القاهرة 100.0 8128671 0 8128671
According to CAPMAS Menoufia is only 20% urban and it sets 691,000 people as "urban" which 260,000 is actually in Shebin el-Kom th rest is rural and altogether that makes is just over 3 million. Menoufia المنوفية 20.5 3374177 2682767 691410
According to what Nevermind is telling us in her posts she has lived there for 2 years. But she has lived in tourism areas, her Egyptian works in tourism (or did) and doesn't sound like any of her in-laws work in the government or they'd know they can't build residences on agricultural land.
As I stated before western NGOs count current residents not population by governate of birth which might be why Cairo is 6 million according to Nevermind's data and 20 million by westnern NGO counts.
Westerners and you rely on western NGOs to collect "real data" while Egyptians collect data according to how Egyptian government needs data.
Much like how western tourists have the same information on Egypt as egyguys who work in tourism. Egyguys in tourism actual parrot information they've been fed by western tourists and don't care how Egyptian government formulates its data and information.
Might explain why Nevermind has the ideas she does after what she reports 2 years of living in Egypt.
And to understand Egyptian culture you must have a shared language with your egyguy. Now nevermind can type english but how can she speak english? how well can her egyguy speak english as well? Does her egyguy speak Estonian? And how many of her in-laws speak Estonian let alone English?
You know I wish wish wish that Cairo has 6 million but it has approx 18 to 20 give and take. All the rest is the blah blah blah you usually write.
The fact is you've never lived in Egypt so do us all a favour and STFU.
After being in a british common wealth nation for a handful of years you are getting the handle of dodging actual information from an authoritative source.
Tabloid brain instead of a information critical brain, transformation complete you are now a british westerner.
Doesn't change the fact that the Egyptian government has Cairo population at 6 million and Menoufia at 3 million. Its not data I pulled out of a hate but from your home nation's own studies.
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