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Hate & racism towards black/darker skin people in the Arab world is common, But why ?
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The Arab world is heterogenous and the roots of Arab culture encompasses Africa! Have you heard of the Song of Antar!
This is not to dismiss some Arabs who go against the teaching of Mohammed (PBUH), who, e.g kill innocent women and children just to do so!
Please do not confuse Muslim and Arab since they are not mutually exclusive. The largest Muslim populations are in Indonesia, then you have Turks, Persians (Iranians) and others who are not Arab.
At times, speaking Arabic appears to make one an Arab but this has a hold on some groups and not in others! The Darfur problem is Arab speaking Africans against their Christian or animist African brethren!

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The racism probably stems from competiton and historical conquest. The ancient Arab groups felt they were superior to both whites and blacks. In the modern world blacks are considered the lowest due to the historical slave trade thus it affects how modern day Arabs percieve ''black'' Africans. Many Arabs also see ''black'' Africans as cannibals and savages. This perception is probably related to western media and of how Africans are presented in Arab cinema.


Historically, it appears that blacks were seen as allies and as inferiors to the Arabs. The Banil Hilal epic and Song of Antar present blacks as undiserables. In the some of the Hadiths Muhammed tells a bedouin not to disown his son because he came out black,and also of the equality all the different ethnic groups.

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^^Great explanation.

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quote:
Originally posted by ausar:
The racism probably stems from competiton and historical conquest. The ancient Arab groups felt they were superior to both whites and blacks. In the modern world blacks are considered the lowest due to the historical slave trade thus it affects how modern day Arabs percieve ''black'' Africans. Many Arabs also see ''black'' Africans as cannibals and savages. This perception is probably related to western media and of how Africans are present in Arab cinema.


Historically, it appears that blacks were see as allies and as inferiors to the Arabs. The Banil Hilal epic and Song of Antar present blacks as undiserables. In the some of the Hadiths Muhammed tells a bedouin not to disown his son because he came out black,and also of the equality all the different ethnic groups.

ya know da arabs looked down on turks too, even though they were Muslim [Big Grin]
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quote:
Originally posted by yazid904:

The Arab world is heterogenous and the roots of Arab culture encompasses Africa! Have you heard of the Song of Antar!
This is not to dismiss some Arabs who go against the teaching of Mohammed (PBUH), who, e.g kill innocent women and children just to do so!
Please do not confuse Muslim and Arab since they are not mutually exclusive. The largest Muslim populations are in Indonesia, then you have Turks, Persians (Iranians) and others who are not Arab.
At times, speaking Arabic appears to make one an Arab but this has a hold on some groups and not in others! The Darfur problem is Arab speaking Africans against their Christian or animist African brethren!

quote:
Originally posted by ausar:

The racism probably stems from competiton and historical conquest. The ancient Arab groups felt they were superior to both whites and blacks. In the modern world blacks are considered the lowest due to the historical slave trade thus it affects how modern day Arabs percieve ''black'' Africans. Many Arabs also see ''black'' Africans as cannibals and savages. This perception is probably related to western media and of how Africans are present in Arab cinema.


Historically, it appears that blacks were see as allies and as inferiors to the Arabs. The Banil Hilal epic and Song of Antar present blacks as undiserables. In the some of the Hadiths Muhammed tells a bedouin not to disown his son because he came out black,and also of the equality all the different ethnic groups.

^ Both Yazid and Ausar are 100% correct. These are the answers to your question Pepi_Khem!
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quote:
Originally posted by Obelisk_18:
quote:
Originally posted by ausar:
The racism probably stems from competiton and historical conquest. The ancient Arab groups felt they were superior to both whites and blacks. In the modern world blacks are considered the lowest due to the historical slave trade thus it affects how modern day Arabs percieve ''black'' Africans. Many Arabs also see ''black'' Africans as cannibals and savages. This perception is probably related to western media and of how Africans are present in Arab cinema.


Historically, it appears that blacks were see as allies and as inferiors to the Arabs. The Banil Hilal epic and Song of Antar present blacks as undiserables. In the some of the Hadiths Muhammed tells a bedouin not to disown his son because he came out black,and also of the equality all the different ethnic groups.

ya know da arabs looked down on turks too, even though they were Muslim [Big Grin]
It's the other way around, the Turks looked down on arabs, they ruled them for 700 years afterall untill the first world war.
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yes, as well as arabs looking down on turks, as well as euroepans [Smile] .
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You know, a few, some, many, or most, of all people
in any given race, ethny, tribe, nationality, etc., looks
down on one, some, or every other group not their own.

So really what's the relevance of the question?
Make up any reason you can imagine and no
doubt it will fill the bill.

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yazid904 wrote:

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The Darfur problem is Arab speaking Africans against their Christian or animist African brethren!
1. Their is no such thing as Arab speaking, there is a language called Arabic.

2. Everyone in Darfur speaks Arabic.

3. Just about everyone in Darfur is a muslim. There is no Christian/animist versus Arab in Darfur. And everyone there is African. In case you didn't know it there is a civil war going on.


Apparently you and everyone who cosigned with you has severe informational problems. I.E. you're too lazy to look it up.

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quote:
Originally posted by One_and_Done:

What kind of crybaby wailing is this?

What about the Chinese, Indonesians, Phillipenos, Malaysians and Japanese that go there to work?

What about the South Asians (Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis, and Sri Lankans)?

What about the Persians?

Do we even need to go into the Euros?

I've seen stories from all of these people.


So why are you caterwauling? Hard up to get your victimhood on?

I don't think Pepi was whining, but just asking a question out of general curiousity and/or concern.

The fact of the matter that Takruri pointed out was that human beings will hated and look down on each other for some reason or the other; it doesn't have to be about skin color.

Look at the hatred between the Hutus have for the Tutsis or the Japanese for the Chinese or even between the Serbs and the Bosnians. Obviously skin color is not a factor in any of these animosities.

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quote:
Originally posted by One_and_Done:

1. Their is no such thing as Arab speaking, there is a language called Arabic.

That depends... Are you talking about Africans or Arabians?

quote:
2. Everyone in Darfur speaks Arabic.

3. Just about everyone in Darfur is a muslim. There is no Christian/animist versus Arab in Darfur. And everyone there is African. In case you didn't know it there is a civil war going on.


Apparently you and everyone who cosigned with you has severe informational problems. I.E. you're too lazy to look it up.

You're right. No one in the Darfur region is really Arab, but the hostile forces all claim to be Arabs while their enemies do not. In fact those forces who claim Arab idenity deny their black identity, even though they are no less black than the enemies they kill.

Arabization is a mental sickness in Africa.

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quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:
Originally posted by One_and_Done:

1. Their is no such thing as Arab speaking, there is a language called Arabic.

That depends... Are you talking about Africans or Arabians?

quote:
2. Everyone in Darfur speaks Arabic.

3. Just about everyone in Darfur is a muslim. There is no Christian/animist versus Arab in Darfur. And everyone there is African. In case you didn't know it there is a civil war going on.


Apparently you and everyone who cosigned with you has severe informational problems. I.E. you're too lazy to look it up.

You're right. No one in the Darfur region is really Arab, but the hostile forces all claim to be Arabs while their enemies do not. In fact those forces who claim Arab idenity deny their black identity, even though they are no less black than the enemies they kill.

Arabization is a mental sickness in Africa.

Is Arabization the fault of the Arabs or the Islamic Africans in your opinion?
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quote:
Originally posted by PEPI_KHEM:
Hate & racism towards black/darker skin people in the Arab world is common, But why ?

quote:
Originally posted by ausar:

...The ancient Arab groups felt they were superior to both whites and blacks. In the modern world blacks are considered the lowest due to the historical slave trade thus it affects how modern day Arabs percieve ''black'' Africans....


...Historically, it appears that blacks were seen as allies and as inferiors to the Arabs....

Blacks seen as allies and as inferiors by these Arabs would makes these Arabs seem confused. Obviously, mythical stories created as substantial bases for hating Blacks and carrying out racist injustices against Blacks quickly crumbles once Ancient Black history begins to unfold. Funny thing is I've heard that prophet Mohammad as a Black African and his father was coal Black and now there's a song where Mohammad is telling someone not to disown his son because he's Black. This is getting better and better everyday. Hold up; Are we talking about Mohammad's son here or Bedouin's?

So what! Arabs, Jews and Christian Europe all used the "Ham" theory to degrade Black people even though none of the lies they told themselves were true. Thankfully, it's all changing. Maybe not for the said historically shameless and racist bigots, but Black awareness of these histories is the most important thing. [Cool]

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quote:
You're right. No one in the Darfur region is really Arab, but the hostile forces all claim to be Arabs while their enemies do not. In fact those forces who claim Arab idenity deny their black identity, even though they are no less black than the enemies they kill.

Arabization is a mental sickness in Africa.

What do you know about Darfur? Like you've been there. Again your posts have No facts, No evidence, No Reality. Just your uneducated schitzophrenic opinions.

You really need to believe that it is as simplistic as what you idiotically gobble up from the media. You're not even smart enough to understand that:


1. There is a civil war going on
2. The rebels are also a source of the problem
3. Ethnic groups have been in conflicts since there were ethnic groups in Sudan.
4. That maybe the press is exaggerating if not outright lying about what is going on there.


By spouting off wildly and trying to pass off your opinions as if they were facts, you are continuosly putting your stupidity on public display.

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So why would the press chose a side. It seems like the press is on the rebels side. It puts out that the Gov't is backed by "arabs" or are arabs. When I look at the both sides on TV they all look like Black African to me. Always had mt suspicions on the intent of the western press. Seems like the AU agrees it is no big deal. And they can solve the problem.

Rumour is oil and control of the oil regions.

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PEPI_KHEM

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Hate & racism towards black/darker skin people in the Arab world is common, But why?
I believe one of the reasons is because of Religion


Example:

From the Quran

Hadith; vol.9:162,163: Muhammad warned that dreams of black women meant disease was forthcoming.

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One_and_Done, that's enough with the insults. This is your second warning.
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quote:
Originally posted by PEPI_KHEM:
Hate & racism towards black/darker skin people in the Arab world is common, But why ?

...which makes it all the more amazing when "black African" Muslims sympathize with Arabs being "oppressed" in the "Middle East" by the Israeli "Zionists" and their US-European imperialist allies...not because 'black Africans' see these folks as superior in any sense of the word, but because they too have at some point or another been down that road of imperialist 'opression'. Is it safe then to assume that, if the tables were turned, which in some cases it actually is, that these same Arabs don't afford "black Africans" the same sympathy?


quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:

quote:
Originally posted by One_and_Done:

What kind of crybaby wailing is this?

What about the Chinese, Indonesians, Phillipenos, Malaysians and Japanese that go there to work?

What about the South Asians (Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis, and Sri Lankans)?

What about the Persians?

Do we even need to go into the Euros?

I've seen stories from all of these people.


So why are you caterwauling? Hard up to get your victimhood on?

I don't think Pepi was whining, but just asking a question out of general curiousity and/or concern.

The fact of the matter that Takruri pointed out was that human beings will hated and look down on each other for some reason or the other; it doesn't have to be about skin color.

Look at the hatred between the Hutus have for the Tutsis or the Japanese for the Chinese or even between the Serbs and the Bosnians. Obviously skin color is not a factor in any of these animosities.

I take it from the way you phrased it, that Tutsis love the Hutus in return, and likewise the Chinese love the Japanese. Kind'a like the 'turn the other cheek'? Shouldn't "vice versa" be the more realistic situation?
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quote:
Originally posted by One_and_Done:
PEPI_KHEM wrote:

quote:
Hate & racism towards black/darker skin people in the Arab world is common, But why ?
What kind of crybaby wailing is this?

What about the Chinese, Indonesians, Phillipenos, Malaysians and Japanese that go there to work?

What about the South Asians (Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis, and Sri Lankans)?

What about the Persians?

Do we even need to go into the Euros?

I've seen stories from all of these people.


So why are you caterwauling? Hard up to get your victimhood on?

Ey, Do you feel attacked by my question.. ?
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quote:
Originally posted by Masonic Rebel:
PEPI_KHEM

quote:
Hate & racism towards black/darker skin people in the Arab world is common, But why?
I believe one of the reasons is because of Religion


Example:

From the Quran

Hadith; vol.9:162,163: Muhammad warned that dreams of black women meant disease was forthcoming.

I all ready thought that, It has to do with religion
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quote:
Originally posted by yazid904:
The Arab world is heterogenous and the roots of Arab culture encompasses Africa! Have you heard of the Song of Antar!
This is not to dismiss some Arabs who go against the teaching of Mohammed (PBUH), who, e.g kill innocent women and children just to do so!
Please do not confuse Muslim and Arab since they are not mutually exclusive. The largest Muslim populations are in Indonesia, then you have Turks, Persians (Iranians) and others who are not Arab.
At times, speaking Arabic appears to make one an Arab but this has a hold on some groups and not in others! The Darfur problem is Arab speaking Africans against their Christian or animist African brethren!

Thanks for the answer
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quote:
Originally posted by ausar:
The racism probably stems from competiton and historical conquest. The ancient Arab groups felt they were superior to both whites and blacks. In the modern world blacks are considered the lowest due to the historical slave trade thus it affects how modern day Arabs percieve ''black'' Africans. Many Arabs also see ''black'' Africans as cannibals and savages. This perception is probably related to western media and of how Africans are presented in Arab cinema.


Historically, it appears that blacks were seen as allies and as inferiors to the Arabs. The Banil Hilal epic and Song of Antar present blacks as undiserables. In the some of the Hadiths Muhammed tells a bedouin not to disown his son because he came out black,and also of the equality all the different ethnic groups.

Thanks for the question Ausar
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I don't feel that Islam was really a factor in the prejustice towards ''black'' Africans because the root of Islam preached equality. Many of the racist hadiths have no source and were most likely created later. You must also seperate modern and ancient Arab prejustice because the two are really different. Modern Arabs,especially Arabized Maghrebians, are prejusticed because they see ''black''Africans as inferiors and savages. Most of these images come from historical slave trade and western views of race.


Kemson, the hadith was about the son of the bedouin comimg out black. Muhammed corrected the bedouin insiting that all camels were related regardless of their coloring.


Pepi_Kem, is from a European country that has a large Moroccan population,so he most likely witnesses prejustice that Moroccans have towards ''black'' Africans. What's ironic is many of these Moroccans also face prejustice from Europeans living in ghettoes and having a high incarseration rate.

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quote:
Originally posted by Masonic Rebel:
PEPI_KHEM
quote:
Hate & racism towards black/darker skin people in the Arab world is common, But why?
I believe one of the reasons is because of Religion

Example:

From the Quran
Hadith; vol.9:162,163: Muhammad warned that dreams of black women meant disease was forthcoming.

But unlike the Judeo-Christian Bible, colors like black and white represent things, and quite the opposite of what they would in the Judeo- Bible.

Black in Quran = bad / sin

White in Quran = good / holy

Opposite.

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Agreed ^
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Pepi_Kem, is from a European country that has a large Moroccan population,so he most likely witnesses prejustice that Moroccans have towards ''black'' Africans. What's ironic is many of these Moroccans also face prejustice from Europeans living in ghettoes and having a high incarseration rate.

Very true indeed

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quote:
Originally posted by One_and_Done:

What do you know about Darfur? Like you've been there. Again your posts have No facts, No evidence, No Reality. Just your uneducated schitzophrenic opinions.

You really need to believe that it is as simplistic as what you idiotically gobble up from the media. You're not even smart enough to understand that:


1. There is a civil war going on
2. The rebels are also a source of the problem
3. Ethnic groups have been in conflicts since there were ethnic groups in Sudan.
4. That maybe the press is exaggerating if not outright lying about what is going on there.


By spouting off wildly and trying to pass off your opinions as if they were facts, you are continuosly putting your stupidity on public display.

There is nothing "uneducated" or even inaccurate about what I stated about the Darfur situation!

You are right that there has always been ethnic strife there, but never to the degree that has been going on recently and now! Much of the intensity and disgusting nature of the acts that the nomads perpertrate are because of the simple fact that they are Arabized i.e. wanna-be Arabs who hate their non Arabized brethren!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A16001-2004Jun29?language=printer

Arab Militiamen in Sudan Said to Use Rape as Weapon of Ethnic Cleansing

By Emily Wax
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, June 30, 2004; Page A01

GENEINA, Sudan, June 29 -- At first light on Sunday, three young women walked into a scrubby field just outside their refugee camp in West Darfur. They had gone out to collect straw for their family's donkeys. They recalled thinking that the Arab militiamen who were attacking African tribes at night would still be asleep. But six men grabbed them, yelling Arabic slurs such as "zurga" and "abid," meaning "black" and "slave." Then the men raped them, beat them and left them on the ground, they said.

"They grabbed my donkey and my straw and said, 'Black girl, you are too dark. You are like a dog. We want to make a light baby,' " said Sawela Suliman, 22, showing slashes from where a whip had struck her thighs as her father held up a police and health report with details of the attack. "They said, 'You get out of this area and leave the child when it's made.' "
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quote:
Originally posted by ausar:

Modern Arabs,especially Arabized Maghrebians, are prejusticed because they see ''black''Africans as inferiors and savages. Most of these images come from historical slave trade and western views of race.

In other words, they are brainwashed. Today "Arabs" and sections of their "Arabized" colleagues are targets of being labeled as savage blood thirsty terrorists, who live a very backward style of living. One would think that this would humble them, and seek social allies in other historically oppressed sections of the society, rather than being enemies to broader sections of the society.
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Originally posted by ausar:
The racism probably stems from competiton and historical conquest. The ancient Arab groups felt they were superior to both whites and blacks. In the modern world blacks are considered the lowest due to the historical slave trade thus it affects how modern day Arabs percieve ''black'' Africans. Many Arabs also see ''black'' Africans as cannibals and savages. This perception is probably related to western media and of how Africans are presented in Arab cinema.


Historically, it appears that blacks were seen as allies and as inferiors to the Arabs. The Banil Hilal epic and Song of Antar present blacks as undiserables. In the some of the Hadiths Muhammed tells a bedouin not to disown his son because he came out black,and also of the equality all the different ethnic groups.

Ausar

Your answer in this tread is not only false it is racist and actually demeans the people you are supposedly defending.

I actually suspect that this represents your own opinion and not the culture of the Arabs.

In the middle east there are black and pale Arabs. In the same family of Arabs one can find black and white cousins connected by blood.

Mohammed PUBH was an Arab but he was a Black Arab. His ancestors were Blacks. Most of his students (i.e. apostles) were black Arabs. How then can you make such scandalous assumptions. It is racist to defame pale Arabs with a simple minded overgeneralization as you have done. It is even more insulting to Africans to suggest that we are victims of Arabs. Please review your history and correct yourself.

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-original-black-arabs-of-arabia-part-4-the-black-stone-the-black-tribe-of-koreysh-black-prophet-moh ammed/


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The Lord, that was a good read from the link you posted. It's funny referring to you as "The Lord" and actually quite cool.

I had a strange feeling something was wrong with the above claims. More people trying to runaway from Negro genetic association even though they wouldn't exist as an ethnic group without it.

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Kemson

Greetings from one NiJah to another!

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^ LOL It looks like the nutcases are up and about.
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quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ LOL It looks like the nutcases are up and about.

Djehuti-EBC (flag)

Wanna know what "EBC" means? Read my definition of it here:

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Originally posted by Lord of the Nile:
Kemson

Greetings from one NiJah to another!

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Greetings to "The Lord"!
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Ausar might have some beef with the Arabs since he is a Black Egyptian, so maybe he might not be objective with respect to his opinion towards Arabs.
I don't think people from the Maghreb are as racist as PEPI or Ausar describe them, I lived in France for quite sometime, whether they are foreign students or from the French suburbs, they had pretty good relationships with Black Africans...Beside Mauritania I don't think that there is serious racism towards Black Africans...However I couldn't speak for Arabs from the gulf since I'm not very familiar with them. I have a question for PEPI it seems that you had some personal problems with Moroccan in Amsterdam...can you please expand on that?

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I wouldn't be surprised at xenophobic reactions in North Africa to non-North African foreigners, including Africans from the interior of the continent. As I said, such a phenomenon wouldn't be restricted to these regions.
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quote:
Originally posted by AFRICA I:
Ausar might have some beef with the Arabs since he is a Black Egyptian, so maybe he might not be objective with respect to his opinion towards Arabs.

Ausar is a Black Egyptian...and horses will fly next.

He claims he is Egyptian, but he has never claimed to be black. Question for Ausar: Do you consider yourself a Black Egyptian?

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Mohammed PUBH was an Arab but he was a Black Arab. His ancestors were Blacks. Most of his students (i.e. apostles) were black Arabs. How then can you make such scandalous assumptions. It is racist to defame pale Arabs with a simple minded overgeneralization as you have done. It is even more insulting to Africans to suggest that we are victims of Arabs. Please review your history and correct yourself.
Sorry Mohammed being a Black Man is not supported in the Quran

Example:

In Sahih Al Bukhary vol. 1 no. 63 , we read "while we were sitting with the Prophet, a man came and said, "who amongst you is Mohammed?" We replied, "this white man reclining on his arm..."

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quote:
Originally posted by Masonic Rebel:
Lord of the Nile
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Mohammed PUBH was an Arab but he was a Black Arab. His ancestors were Blacks. Most of his students (i.e. apostles) were black Arabs. How then can you make such scandalous assumptions. It is racist to defame pale Arabs with a simple minded overgeneralization as you have done. It is even more insulting to Africans to suggest that we are victims of Arabs. Please review your history and correct yourself.
Sorry Mohammed being a Black Man is not supported in the Quran

Example:

In Sahih Al Bukhary vol. 1 no. 63 , we read "while we were sitting with the Prophet, a man came and said, "who amongst you is Mohammed?" We replied, "this white man reclining on his arm..."

That citation of yours is not from the Holy Koran. The Holy Koran did not at any time delve into the issue of Prophet Mohammed's PUBH colour.

It belongs to a body of tradition (mythologies) that grew in diverse forms in diverse sectors of Islam.

Study your sources carefully.

The Lord

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That citation of yours is not from the Holy Koran.
Correct

The Hadith is the Koran

Hadith no. 122 refers to Mohammed as a white person

Hadith no. 141 when Mohammed raised his arms, "the whiteness of his armpits became visible."


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The Holy Koran did not at any time delve into the issue of Prophet Mohammed's PUBH colour.
Still

Qur'an [39.60] And on the day of resurrection you shall see those who lied against Allah; their faces shall be blackened

A Black Prophet with an inferiority complex ???

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Study your sources carefully
Noted

Sahih Bukhari is a collection of sayings and deeds of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), also known as the sunnah. The reports of the Prophet's sayings and deeds are called ahadith. Bukhari lived a couple of centuries after the Prophet's death and worked extremely hard to collect his ahadith. Each report in his collection was checked for compatibility with the Qur'an, and the veracity of the chain of reporters had to be painstakingly established. Bukhari's collection is recognized by the overwhelming majority of the Muslim world to be one of the most authentic collections of the Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh).

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quote:
Originally posted by Lord of the Nile:

quote:
Originally posted by Masonic Rebel:

Lord of the Nile
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Mohammed PUBH was an Arab but he was a Black Arab. His ancestors were Blacks. Most of his students (i.e. apostles) were black Arabs. How then can you make such scandalous assumptions. It is racist to defame pale Arabs with a simple minded overgeneralization as you have done. It is even more insulting to Africans to suggest that we are victims of Arabs. Please review your history and correct yourself.
Sorry Mohammed being a Black Man is not supported in the Quran

Example:

In Sahih Al Bukhary vol. 1 no. 63 , we read "while we were sitting with the Prophet, a man came and said, "who amongst you is Mohammed?" We replied, "this white man reclining on his arm..."

That citation of yours is not from the Holy Koran. The Holy Koran did not at any time delve into the issue of Prophet Mohammed's PUBH colour.

It belongs to a body of tradition (mythologies) that grew in diverse forms in diverse sectors of Islam.

Study your sources carefully.

The Lord

You may have a point there; not sure the Kuran itself describes Muhammed in any detail or in any way, physically. Here, no attempt is even made to depict the prophet, as is in the case of the depiction of a "Nordic blonde" looking Jesus...a figure who never had his portrait prepared during his lifetime [so one can imagine from where the "Nordic personality" came]. Is this not one of the reasons why the attempt to draw a cartoon of this figure [Muhammed] sparked some controversy not too long ago?
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PEPI_KHEM wrote:

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Ey, Do you feel attacked by my question.. ?
I'm wondering why you're wailing about some group "supposedly" not liking you.

Especially since:

1. It is a generalizing and stereotyping.

2. It has been showed that whatever amounts exists, its not limited to one group.

3. Even if it was (which it is not) why do even you care? It seems very weak.

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^Strong points and i agree!
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I had reservations myself. Seems like some of the mederator are biased towards giving certain posters a free hand. Plus they allow racist Eurocentrics to spew their nonsense a little more freely. I am wandering if who they were myself. DONT misunderstand the forum is good. Just wandering who is behind it. It seems like aways the race topics are most popular and gets most hits. Is this deliberate?


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Originally posted by AFRICA I:
Ausar might have some beef with the Arabs since he is a Black Egyptian, so maybe he might not be objective with respect to his opinion towards Arabs.

Ausar is a Black Egyptian...and horses will fly next.

He claims he is Egyptian, but he has never claimed to be black. Question for Ausar: Do you consider yourself a Black Egyptian?

The Lord


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Lord, I don't see how my post is either racist or historically inaccurate. Yes, Arabs do have pale and dark skinned people amongst them but this does not excempt them from any prejudice towards black Africans. Most often a ''black'' Arab will be treated differently than a ''black'' African such as a Central or Western African in Arabic speaking countries. Historically, Arabs have traded black slaves foriming a hierarchy of certain blacks compaired to others. In the Arab world during the middle ages Abyssianians and Nubians were preffered for concubinage while Bantus were mainly used as labor.


From reading various Arabic medieval historians I came with the conclusion that Arabs considered black Africans to be inferior to themselves. Reading the same Arabic authors I also concluded Arabs also thought most northern and even some southern Europeans were culturally inferior. I suggest you also read Arabic epics like Antar and Bani Hilal which contain black Arab chracters which are disowned by their own fathers. Antar's mother was even a ''black'' slave and his father kept him in bondage. Please understand I never presented by view as gospel but only as theories to why many Arabs have disdain for black Africans.


A little bit of my own experiances as a Egyptian is also interjected after witnessing anti-black prejudiced in a diverse countries like Egypt and Maghreb. Even though my skin color is quite dark I am excempt from most of the taunts towards black Africans because I don't look like a typical Western or Central African. People in both Egypt and Maghrebian countries actually taunt people that are extremely black. People hurl Arabic insults like heebab which means literally ''dirt' in Arabic.


I also want to establish that I am not biased nor have any resentment towards Arabs. The colorism and prejudice in the Arab world is wrong. Having an open discussion about such issues will hopefully lead to better understanding.

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^^ - understood
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quote:
Even though my skin color is quite dark I am excempt from most of the taunts towards black Africans because I don't look like a typical Western or Central African. People in both Egypt and Maghrebian countries actually taunt people that are extremely black. People hurl Arabic insults like heebab which means literally ''dirt' in Arabic.
This is the real Panafricanism on the streets of North Africa. Although I met North African and "White" Egyptians only outside Africa or in my own country, they were descent people...I had a good impression, however I heard conflicting stories from Black Africans who lived in North Africa...after all we might be as close genetically to Greeks as to some people from the Maghreb or Egypt..
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Curious: What is a typical West African, Central African, East African, and South African look? Every now and then, I come across people using this term, but every time I ask this question, nobody seems to have an answer.
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Actually there are many Black Egyptian who could fit easily in the streets of Brazzaville...Whereas, a Somali could be easier to spot in Brazzaville...but again there also some Somali who look like Congolese...
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