Phoenician7 does give radio1 a good beat down but he seems to be a flip side of the coin Egocentric too. The fake photoshopped images of Narmer and others is especially funny considering their widespread spam on ES. Who knows, radio1 could be just another Nazi/Afro pretender like so many 'characters' in this forum.
Here is some excellent HD AE debunking videos but I also disagree with his modern sociopolitical views -
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Phoenician7 is a cowardly distortion junkie who likes preaching to his own choir for reassurance, what he and the likes of him will never do is have the Kemetians or even the Greeks speak for themselves(black became merely swarthy) or discussed the actual culture of the Kemites because it would show just how African they really were,instead they keep focusing on what the exact shade of skin or how curly the head or how flat the nose, you know stuff that are inherently superficial .
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Phoenician7 is a cowardly distortion junkie who likes preaching to his own choir for reassurance, what he and the likes of him will never do is have the Kemetians or even the Greeks speak for themselves(black became merely swarthy) or discussed the actual culture of the Kemites because it would show just how African they really were,instead they keep focusing on what the exact shade of skin or how curly the head or how flat the nose, you know stuff that are inherently superficial .
Yeah, like the mindlessly endless 'superficial' 'shade of skin' comparisons you and others do.
Pot calling the Kettle Black.
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NonProphet I challenge you to go over most of the past threads you will find the majority was started by Euronutz my "companions" merely respond to them but then again people like you like to project..it's not enough they be Africans but folks like you like to prove that they must be non Africans in some way even if it means cleaving the off the entire region of East Africa and shift the term Sub-Saharan Africa to exclude Ethiopia and the Horn.
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Again.."WHAT FAKE PHOTOSHOPPED IMAGES OF NARMER??"
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: why do the sculptures in the video have blue eyes?
Snefru mined Turquoise(used for blue/green eyes in some 4th Dynasty Statues)from Sinai and Cedar from Lebanon. The Khufu or Khafra Great Sphinx was originally painted with green eyes and red skin.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: why do the sculptures in the video have blue eyes?
Snefru mined Turquoise(used for blue/green eyes in some 4th Dynasty Statues)from Sinai and Cedar from Lebanon. The Khufu or Khafra Great Sphinx was originally painted with green eyes and red skin.
. The head and face (which once had a beard, fragments of which are in the British Museum) are typical of Dynasty IV, with its headdress(heavily restored in the 1920s), uraeus (cobra on the forehead), and red paint (which Pliny the Elder recorded in the 1st century AD as having religious significance), traces of which are still visible. Note that is is very definitely male, and has no wings.Posts: 8804 | From: The fear of his majesty had entered their hearts, they were powerless | Registered: Nov 2007
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You didn't answer my question. I asked for these fake photoshopped images of the presumed Narmer bust not a video post.
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Who is this? what dynasty did he belong to?first person to answer get a cookie. Who is this? what Dynasty did he belong to? get this right you get two cookiesPosts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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You didn't answer my question. I asked for these fake photoshopped images of the presumed Narmer bust not a video post.
the author of the video claims that this photo of a head thought by Petrie to be Narmer" made in the 25th dynasty:
has been altered by widening it to produce this more familiar version of the photo:
I have looked very carefully at this and taken some measurement proportions. On first impression it looks like the lower version was widened and the features changed somewhat. After taking measurements and looking more closely I'm of the opinion that no alteration has been made. In first photo the head is pointing down a bit and turned very slightly. The bottom photo is not the same picture or derived from the same picture. It is an eye to eye level view not pointing slightly down. The lighting is more stark and the reproduction quality is poor. My conclusion is that no retouch manipulations have been made. They are the same head.
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Hey Rass ah Guess you get the cookies From the age of the Pyrmid builders the same family as Khufu. Euro-Diseny fantasy with the eyes and nosePosts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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OK!! picture spam but??? Vizier Ankh-haf is considered to be the son of the Egyptian Fourth Dynasty Pharaoh Sneferu and the first known person named as vizier. He played a role in the construction of the Sphinx. His Mastaba tomb, G7510, was the largest in the eastern cemetery at Giza. A painted limestone bust of Ankhhaf discovered in his tomb is considered the work "of a master" of Ancient Egyptian art from the time of the Old Kingdom,And Westely SnipesPosts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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You didn't answer my question. I asked for these fake photoshopped images of the presumed Narmer bust not a video post.
the author of the video claims that this photo of a head thought by Petrie to be Narmer" made in the 25th dynasty:
has been altered by widening it to produce this more familiar version of the photo:
My conclusion is that no retouch manipulations have been made. They are the same head.
Its obvious the second photo is an older quality and was used in an early Afrocentric book which is why it is so popular but as you say its the same head.
So I await to see this "Photoshopped" image of Narmer.
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Jeri this image has been in Diop's book long before anyone know whadda photoshop was..like before the internet.. Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: why do the sculptures in the video have blue eyes?
Snefru mined Turquoise(used for blue/green eyes in some 4th Dynasty Statues)from Sinai and Cedar from Lebanon. The Khufu or Khafra Great Sphinx was originally painted with green eyes and red skin.
. The head and face (which once had a beard, fragments of which are in the British Museum) are typical of Dynasty IV, with its headdress(heavily restored in the 1920s), uraeus (cobra on the forehead), and red paint (which Pliny the Elder recorded in the 1st century AD as having religious significance), traces of which are still visible. Note that is is very definitely male, and has no wings.
And while you are at it provide a full scholarly quote on the Spinx having Green Eyes to resemble the Pharoah. the only quote(Pliney) says the skin was literally Red for religious purposes.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Jeri this image has been in Diop's book long before anyone know whadda photoshop was..like before the internet..
the photo could have easily been retouched without photoshop using by hand methods. However I've seen this Narmer head in other angle photos and I don't think that the photo above has been retouched by any method. What is commonly done is that the photo is used to represent Narmer but they don't tell you it was made in the 25th "Nubian"dynasty whereas Narmer lived in the 1st dynasty, for example in Dr. Ben's book and many websites
from another angle:
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from Narmer Palette made in 1st dynasty
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What is commonly done is that the photo is used to represent Narmer but they don't tell you it was made in the 25th "Nubian"dynasty whereas Narmer lived in the 1st dynasty, for example in Dr. Ben's book and many websites
Can please name the Phraroh of the "Nubian" dynasty, with his cartoushe, provided by a scholarly site. Also please explain why the "Nubian" is wearing the crown of Upper Egypt and not the Skull cap with the Double Uraeas typical of the Nubian Dynasty. Also why don't the other Nubians wear just the Crown of Upper Egypt...
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^ I like it!! The easiest way to shut the clowns up who knows nada about AE.
Put them to the test. Ha! Ha! Ha!
Time to improve on the script. "Race" of AEians? That debate is over.
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: What is commonly done is that the photo is used to represent Narmer but they don't tell you it was made in the 25th "Nubian"dynasty whereas Narmer lived in the 1st dynasty, for example in Dr. Ben's book and many websites
Can please name the Phraroh of the "Nubian" dynasty, with his cartoushe, provided by a scholarly site. Also please explain why the "Nubian" is wearing the crown of Upper Egypt and not the Skull cap with the Double Uraeas typical of the Nubian Dynasty. Also why don't the other Nubians wear just the Crown of Upper Egypt...
the head was not supposed to be a Nubian Pharaoh it was a estimated by Petrie to be rendition of Narmer of the 1st dyn
but as conceived by a Nubian period artist of the 25th dyn
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The 15989 bust was only assumed by Petrie to be Narmer or Menes(without any inscriptions). To modern Egyptology scholars bust 15989 is an unidentified non-royal because the Pharaoh always wore the red/white, blue crowns or nemes. His cap or hat is not of royalty.
As for the other fakes, altered photography dates back to the 19th Century way before the digital age.
So the only images of Narmer with his name represented as a nile perch and chisel are on his palette.
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Petrie is their white God along with Émile Amélineau and Albert Churchward It's a trinity
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Petrie is their white God along with Émile Amélineau and Albert Churchward It's a trinity
The Egocentrics only pick and choose from Petrie and others so as to align with their preconceptions.
Ask them if they believe in his 'Dynastic Race Theory' and watch them squirm!
no they got that covered, try to say the the dynastic race was black anu ironic though Petrie says they were actually the pre dynastic people that got displaced! plus they're Sumerian anyway
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Petrie is their white God along with Émile Amélineau and Albert Churchward It's a trinity
The Egocentrics only pick and choose from Petrie and others so as to align with their preconceptions.
Ask them if they believe in his 'Dynastic Race Theory' and watch them squirm!
You got those "photoshopped" images of Narmer, the scholarly quotes on the Spinx having Green Eyes and Red Skin to model the Pharoah and not Red Skin for religious purposed as reported by Pliney..??
Im waiting??
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Just call me Jari: [qb] What is commonly done is that the photo is used to represent Narmer but they don't tell you it was made in the 25th "Nubian"dynasty whereas Narmer lived in the 1st dynasty, for example in Dr. Ben's book and many websites
Please present or cite a source as to whether this proclaimed Narmer sculpture which was discovered in first dynastic tombs was a fraud of Narmer created during the 25th dynasty at the time of the socalled Nubians Pharoahs.
Thank you.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Just call me Jari: [qb] What is commonly done is that the photo is used to represent Narmer but they don't tell you it was made in the 25th "Nubian"dynasty whereas Narmer lived in the 1st dynasty, for example in Dr. Ben's book and many websites
Please present or cite a source as to whether this proclaimed Narmer sculpture which was discovered in first dynastic tombs was a fraud of Narmer created during the 25th dynasty at the time of the so called Nubians Pharoahs.
Thank you.
I said it was made in 25th dynasty. I take back that statement I was 100% wrong to say that it is listed by the Petrie museum as 1st dynasty "unknown provenance"
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Now all we need is for you to stop this Mixed Race Egypt when there really is not much proof of this.
Nonprophet I take it you are saying that the Narmer Statue is the one that is doctored. I wonder If you are man or women enough to admit when you are wrong also? Also what proof is there that the sphinx had "green" eyes and red skin.
Peace
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Now all we need is for you to stop this Mixed Race Egypt when there really is not much proof of this.
Nonprophet I take it you are saying that the Narmer Statue is the one that is doctored. I wonder If you are man or women enough to admit when you are wrong also? Also what proof is there that the sphinx had "green" eyes and red skin.
Peace
King I found a source(Pliney) that says the Spinx has Red Skin but it was pure religious in purpose, the eyes I could not find a credible source on that except various Eurocentric sites claiming a Nordic Egypt.
From what I can tell NonProphet is pretty much in the middle on A.Egypt so I hope he can provide a quote.
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Man Jari, I really never heard that the Sphinx had ANY color at all. If pliney says that the Sphinx had Red Skin and it was because of religious reasons then maybe that is true. As for Green eyes that just seems odd.
Next thing they will say is that the Sphinx wore golden chains ETC.
Of all my years on Egyptsearch I have never heard or even saw anyone say anything like this surrounding the Sphinx just seems odd it is coming out now as If it's old news.
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King it does sound weird and in all honesty the quote I found was not a direct quote but was from a site on the history of the Spinx.
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~loxias/sphinx.htm again its not direct but its a scholarly site. It says nothing about Green eyes, only place that says that from what I found are Eurocentric Nordic Egypt sites.
It seems odd but again the Spinx was a religious animal not a Human. I Dont know why people focus on the Spinx as a reseblence of a Human when its obviously NOT going to resemble the model due to a simple understanding of Scale and projection.
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You got those "photoshopped" images of Narmer, the scholarly quotes on the Spinx having Green Eyes and Red Skin to model the Pharoah and not Red Skin for religious purposed as reported by Pliney..??
Im waiting??
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The Pharaoh was the Living Horus on Earth who reunited with his Father Osiris in the Underworld. Horus is the earliest symbol for Kings Narmer, Scorpion I and II.
The PYRAMID TEXTS Translation by Samuel Mercer
2. RITUAL OF BODILY RESTORATION OF THE DECEASED, AND OFFERINGS, UTTERANCES 12-203.
162. 96c. To say: Osiris N., take to thyself the GREEN EYE of HORUS; prevent him from tearing it out.
186. 107a. To say: Osiris N., take the GREEN EYE of HORUS, which he carried off: Horus has given (it) to thee. Two dishes of fresh bread.
190. 108c. To say: Take the GREEN EYE of HORUS, which he tore out; Horus has given (it) to thee. Two baskets of green śh.t-fruit.
The name Wadjet is derived from 'wadj' meaning 'GREEN' hence 'the GREEN one' and was known to the Greeks as Uraeus from the Egyptian Iaret meaning 'risen one' from the image of a cobra rising up in protection.
The EYE of HORUS personified in the 'Wedjet' and as The Eye of Ra or "Udjat" is an ancient Egyptian symbol of protection and ROYAL power.
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The 15989 bust was only assumed by Petrie to be Narmer or Menes(without any inscriptions). To modern Egyptology scholars bust 15989 is an unidentified non-royal because the Pharaoh always wore the red/white, blue crowns or nemes. His cap or hat is not of royalty.
As for the other alleged images (not the Petrie 15989 bust) altered photography dates back to the 19th Century.
So the only images of Narmer with his Hieroglyphic name represented as a Fish(Nar) and Chisel(Mer) are on his Palette. Bob Brier proposes the Palette was carved by two different people at separate times because of the difference in the temples at the top. One person carving would never make that mistake.
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quote:Originally posted by NonProphet: The Pharaoh was the Living Horus on Earth who reunited with his Father Osiris in the Underworld. Horus is the earliest symbol for Kings Narmer, Scorpion I and II.
The PYRAMID TEXTS Translation by Samuel Mercer
2. RITUAL OF BODILY RESTORATION OF THE DECEASED, AND OFFERINGS, UTTERANCES 12-203.
162. 96c. To say: Osiris N., take to thyself the GREEN EYE of HORUS; prevent him from tearing it out.
186. 107a. To say: Osiris N., take the GREEN EYE of HORUS, which he carried off: Horus has given (it) to thee. Two dishes of fresh bread.
190. 108c. To say: Take the GREEN EYE of HORUS, which he tore out; Horus has given (it) to thee. Two baskets of green śh.t-fruit.
The name Wadjet is derived from 'wadj' meaning 'GREEN' hence 'the GREEN one' and was known to the Greeks as Uraeus from the Egyptian Iaret meaning 'risen one' from the image of a cobra rising up in protection.
The EYE of HORUS personified in the 'Wedjet' and as The Eye of Ra or "Udjat" is an ancient Egyptian symbol of protection and ROYAL power.
We should be careful when dealing with Egyptian religion and colors.
Also I saw the clip and the said "Maybe" had green eyes. The skin was Reddish brown, despite Pliney saying it was "Red" for religious purpose. I asked for a scholarly quote on the eyes being Green and you paste a clip that says "Maybe"...
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quote:Originally posted by NonProphet: The 15989 bust was only assumed by Petrie to be Narmer or Menes(without any inscriptions). To modern Egyptology scholars bust 15989 is an unidentified non-royal because the Pharaoh always wore the red/white, blue crowns or nemes. His cap or hat is not of royalty.
As for the other alleged images (not the Petrie 15989 bust) altered photography dates back to the 19th Century.
So the only images of Narmer with his Hieroglyphic name represented as a Fish(Nar) and Chisel(Mer) are on his Palette. Bob Brier proposes the Palette was carved by two different people at separate times because of the difference in the temples at the top. One person carving would never make that mistake.
You contradict yourself, you said there existed "photoshopped" images of Narmer, so please provide all you are doing is saying the unknown bust is not Narmer(Which goes against you saying IT WAS Narmer and Photoshopped)..
So please once again post the photoshopped images.
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Non Prophet you claimed the the supposed Narmer figure could not be a royal because his head gear lacked certain features, what about the possibility the some of those features were later add on at a later date or may have broken off in the first place like the Ureaus, Are all these other men non royals because their head gear also has certain features missing?
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Non Prophet you claimed the the supposed Narmer figure could not be a royal because his head gear lacked certain features, what about the possibility the some of those features were later add on at a later date or may have broken off in the first place like the Ureaus, Are all these other men non royals because their head gear also has certain features missing?
Only Afrocentrics claim that bust is Narmer.
Just wait for Jari-Curl to arrive with ALL the excuses or answers.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Dhootie:
Is this the infamous Taylor shop Mannequin?
Photoshopped
Photoshopped or Altered Photo
Jari why don't you manup and show everyone a Museum or University reference for this last bust?
First off this is a strawman, I asked YOU to provide "Photoshopped" images of Narmer. No where did I make any statement on ANY artifact being Narmer, You did.
Hence:
quote:Originally posted by NonProphet: The fake photoshopped images of Narmer and others is especially funny considering their widespread spam on ES.
Now please quote me saying ANY BUST was "Narmer" in this discussion, when you realize you can't please post Photoshopped Images of Narmer and stop with these strawman fallacy tactics.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ In One Breath he claims Only Afrocentrics claim the Bust is Narmer....
quote:Originally posted by NonProphet: The fake photoshopped images of Narmer and others is especially funny considering their widespread spam on ES. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6xjcKaTSW8
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ In the Same Breath claims the Bust is a Photoshopped Image of Narmer
Can Non-Prophet stay consistant??? Find out next...
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