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...contemporary Mangbetu lady with the Amarna Headshaping as in the above ^... Posts: 3344 | From: Berkeley | Registered: Oct 2003
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Head of a Princess Egyptian Museum, Cairo. Tell El-Amarna, from the workshop of the sculptor Diehuytmes
Head of Princess Meritaton Egyptian Museum, Berlin
Painted limestone relief showing two Princesses shaking sistrums. Excavated from a chapel called the 'Weben Ateb' at the Great Temple in Amarna in 1932. Brooklyn Museum of Art, New York.
Sandstone slab with head of Princess Sitamen, daughter of King Amenhotep III in relief with Mut headdress, and above part of her cartouche. Petrie Museum UC1437
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New to the forum and first post. Fine looking African women in the photos. However, your point is lost on me?
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Tremendous. Big thanks to Wally for kicking this thread off and Myra who, as always, graces us with copious examples of the richness of this great African culture.
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Amarna is a period in AE history. This thread is post pics of the women of that period. It was suppose to be ONE of the "blackess" period in AE history. "Blackess" being the stereotypical negroids, although all of AE were black, apart from the few invasion and conquest.
quote:Originally posted by Jo Nongowa: New to the forum and first post. Fine looking African women in the photos. However, your point is lost on me?
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There has never been a 'negroid' people or race in the history of mankind; which explains why, the so called AE's could not have been 'negroid'. In addition, how dark or light the so called AE's were in terms of skin tone is a moot point. They were a black peoople that belonged to the African family of nations, as their descendants still do in present day Greek, Arab and Turkish Egypt; and elsewhere on the African continent.
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Myra, do you have any more info on Nefertiti and Akhenaton's daughters? I don't seem to ever hear about them as much.
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Note that the author does an incredibly good job of reconstructing the faces based on mummies and/or ancient artwork, except when it comes to color. All of them are painted much lighter or even pale than what they would have looked like in life.
Most of her Tiye renditions are precisely based on the ebony bust except these ones of her in her youth:
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Tyldesley, Joyce. Chronicle of the Queens of Egypt (2006), page 121:
Princess Sitamun, Tiy's eldest daughter, is the most conspicuous of the royal children. Some of her furniture was recovered from the tomb of her grandparents, Yuya and Thuyu. Here, on the back of an ornate chair, we can see the young Sitamun wearing a lotus-blossom crown with two gazelle heads replacing the double uraeus. Sitamun holds both menit beads and a sistrum, items which link her with the cult of Hathor. It seems that first-born daughters were now being accorded a special place in a royal hierarchy that was able to tolerate the prominent royal women who could offer feminine support to their father, but which was unable to deal with prominent royal men other than the king. The royal sons, Thutmose and Amenhotep, are completely overshadowed by their sisters.
Towards the end of her father's reign Sitamun acquired the title "King's Great Wife", although she never took precedence over her still living mother. If we accept that Sitamun the queen is the same person as Sitamun the princess, the obvious implication is that Sitamun married her father. However, there remains the remote possibility that the marriage was contracted with her brother and heir to the throne, Thutmose.
It would be perfectly logical for Sitamun to have married her brother, and to have retained her position of importance following her husband's untimely death. It makes less immediately obvious sense for her to have married her father during her mother's lifetime, and we must question whether this union (if it did occur) was a true marriage, or a marriage of convenience designed to provide the otherwise unmarriageable Sitamun with rank, a household and source of independent income, while supplying the still-powerful but now-elderly Tiy with a suitable deputy to assist in her many duties. It was already well accepted that a king could take a co-regent to rule beside him; here, perhaps, we are seeing the first instance of a queen taking the feminine equivalent. If, as we suggest, the queen's religious duties included references to her own fertility, the substitution of a younger daughter in some of the religious rituals may have made sound theological sense.
Amenhotep III's long reign, almost 40 years, may have played a part in his decision to promote his daughter during his own lifetime. Father-daughter marriages are not a feature of short reigns. The fact that Sitamun had no known children suggests, perhaps, that their marriage may have been unconsummated, but we must be careful not to fall into the trap of assuming that a true father-daughter marriage would be as distasteful to Amenhotep as it would be to ourselves. There was certainly sound divine precedent for father-daughter unions, the sun god Re was known to have married his daughter Hather, and this would have formed an attractive model for a king as interested as Amenhotep III in his own solar-based divinity. Now Amenhotep could be supported by both a mother-goddess (Tiy, or Nut) and by a divine daughter-wife (Sitamun, Hathor, Maat or Tefnut).
Indeed, there is some evidence to suggest that her sisters Isis and Henuttaneb, too, may have become junior queens since they both write their names in cartouches, although neither uses the title "King's Great Wife".
Sitamun
Father: Amenhotep III Mother: Tiy Husband: Amenhotep III ? Burial place: Thebes
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Myra, do you have any more info on Nefertiti and Akhenaton's daughters? I don't seem to ever hear about them as much.
Daughters princesses Neferneferuaten and Neferneferure
Nefertiti bore six daughters, the elder three (Meritaten, Meketaten and Ankhesenpaaten) being born at Thebes, the younger three (Neferneferuaten, Neferneferure and Setepenre) at Amarna. All six daughters were alive during the great festival which marked Akhenaten's regnal Year 12, but Meketaten, Neferneferuaten, Neferneferure and Setepenre died soon after, as did Queen Tiy. Nefertiti herself vanished soon after Meketaten's death. -- Tyldesley (2006)
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On this block recovered from Hermopolis Magna, Nefertiti's boat may be identified by the carved heads on the end of the steering oars. It includes a central cabin and a small kiosk decorated with an image of Nefertiti, dressed in her distinctive crown, raising her right arm to smite a female foe. -- Tyldesley (2006)
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Tutankhamun and his consort Ankhesenamun abandoned Amarna and returned to the court of Thebes. The traditional gods were reinstated and the old temples re-opened as Tutankhamun set about restoring maat to his land. Ankhesenamun appears on many of Tutankhamun's public monuments including the Luxor temple, and on more private items recovered from his tomb where she takes the role of the goddess Maat to support her husband.
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How was this done to the head? Some kind of wrapping it when they were babies in order to shape it that way?
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Fragments of painted wall-plaster from the Main Chapel at Akhetaten ancient Egyptian city of Tell el-Amarna (or simply Amarna) depicting the face of a woman.
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Weatherhead, F.J. and B.J. Kemp, The Main Chapel at the Amarna Workmen's Village and its wall paintings. London: Egypt Exploration Society (2007)
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quote:Originally posted by Expecto Patronum (Alchemist): How was this done to the head? Some kind of wrapping it when they were babies in order to shape it that way?
It's likely they were born that way. Such elongated skulls are not unusual among populations in north and easter Africa.
Though usually skull deformation does involve wrappings with harder parts like bone or stone. I don't hear much about skull deformation being practiced by the Egyptians except the theory that it could have been used.
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The Nilo-Saharan languages are a group of African languages spoken mainly in the upper parts of the Chari and Nile rivers, including Nubia. Roughly 11 million people spoke Nilo-Saharan languages as of 1987, according to Merritt Ruhlen's estimate. The family is internally extremely diverse - far more so than Indo-European, or even Niger-Congo - and is rather controversial; few historical linguists have attempted work on the family as a whole, and several have denied its validity. Particularly controversial is the inclusion of Songhay.
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Was it common for young children to depicted nude? I suppose that the Kemetians did not have the same taboo against the human body that European-Americans have?
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quote:Originally posted by Neith-Athena: Was it common for young children to depicted nude? I suppose that the Kemetians did not have the same taboo against the human body that European-Americans have?
...this is no different than any other Black African culture; just do a comparative study (the internet makes this a simple and efficient task)...
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quote:Originally posted by Neith-Athena: Was it common for young children to depicted nude? I suppose that the Kemetians did not have the same taboo against the human body that European-Americans have?
...this is no different than any other Black African culture; just do a comparative study (the internet makes this a simple and efficient task)...
I thought about this before. Good point.
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King Akhenaten and his wife Nefertiti praying to the sun-god Aten who provided his rays to the king and the queen. The sun rays end up with hands holding the key of life offering it to the royal family.
Nefertiti
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From the tomb of Meryra High Priest of Aten. Each royal chariot is escorted by three more chariots each containing two female attendants, holding plume-shaped fans (omnipresent in Amarnian Art). The princesses and the ladies-in-waiting are dressed alike, in a long mantle and a colourful shawl on the sholders.
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Wow! I never seen that bust of Nefertiti before,they don't prade that one around do they.beautiful thread keep it coming.
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Thats some beautiful sculpture reliefs there. I would like to get into sculpting in the future. Thank for the photos people.
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Does anyone know of any other angels of this sculpture of Thutmosis 3? If so, please post 'em. [IMG]JPEG Image[/IMG]
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Anyone know how and why they deformed their heads?
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Great thread! We are planning to visit Armana later this year and have found this to be a fascinating read.
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