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Many members of egyptsearch vehemently deny that white people did exist outside Europe. However there is now a DNA study on human remains that proves that people with white skin and blue eyes were common in ancient Israel 6500 years ago. What is the take of egyptsearch on this isssue and why was this study unlike other studies ignored on this forum?
Besides the alleles that produce white skin and blue eyes existed already 14. 000 or 13.000 years ago (in Italy and the Caucasus). So if white skinned and blue eyed people did exist in Israel 6500 years ago the depictions of white and blue eyed folks from the levant area in ancient Egyptian art were accurate. Plus ancient Egyptians were closely related to Anatolian farmers and Levantine people too. Hence the claim of scientists that Ramesses II had been a red head man with white skin is very likely true and can't be easily dismissed.
In another study the scientists conclude that Early European farmers, neolithic farmers were lactose-intolerant and had light colored skin and that they had brown eyes even though some alleles for blue eyes existed in the population. Also, in the annex it is stated that according to statistics based on their DNA, some had dark brown hair and some lighter colored hair.
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^^^ Who here except an extreeme minority claim so called white people dont exist outside of Europe
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It already known that by the end of the late Holocene era and the beginning of the Bronze Age, populations from the Northern surrounding areas of the Western Eurasia, began to dispersed and settled into the Middle East. Mainly in territories such as the Aegean region, the Northern Levant, Northern Mesopotamia, and parts of Iran. So the fact that they found skeletal remains of a population capable of producing blue eyes is not surprising. But here the problem, for you there were already people living in the Middle East.
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Also, the Ancient Egyptians were indigenous Nile Valley Africans and of African origin, not Levantine origin. Another thing your allege back-flows from the Middle East migrated to Africa before the intrusion of fair skinned populations into the Middle East, also Ramses was not a natural redhead, the reason for his hair coloring is because of the mummification process. I mean it really contradicting when you insist that the Egyptians were naturally fair haired, but ignore the jet-black true Negro Nubians who were nearly always portrayed with blonde and red hair.
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Why not? I don't think albinism is a new phenomenon so I would assume they existed that far back as well.
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The environment or minor mutations in melanin producing genes also what's the relevance of your question to my comment?
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quote:Originally posted by real expert: Many members of egyptsearch vehemently deny that white people did exist outside Europe. However there is now a DNA study on human remains that proves that people with white skin and blue eyes were common in ancient Israel 6500 years ago. What is the take of egyptsearch on this isssue and why was this study unlike other studies ignored on this forum?
Besides the alleles that produce white skin and blue eyes existed already 14. 000 or 13.000 years ago (in Italy and the Caucasus). So if white skinned and blue eyed people did exist in Israel 6500 years ago the depictions of white and blue eyed folks from the levant area in ancient Egyptian art were accurate. Plus ancient Egyptians were closely related to Anatolian farmers and Levantine people too. Hence the claim of scientists that Ramesses II had been a red head man with white skin is very likely true and can't be easily dismissed.
In another study the scientists conclude that Early European farmers, neolithic farmers were lactose-intolerant and had light colored skin and that they had brown eyes even though some alleles for blue eyes existed in the population. Also, in the annex it is stated that according to statistics based on their DNA, some had dark brown hair and some lighter colored hair.
It’s simple and plain. When Europeans started to migrate out of Europe they encountered people of color all over the globe, everywhere they went and started to rename places in remembrance how it was back home in Europe. Perhaps New-Zealand rings a Bell?
To sit here and trying to deny this is absolutely absurd.
Light brown complexion exited in the Levant about 6Kya, but white as in European white? Nope!
All the data says "white skin evolved around 6Kya to 10Kya". So I have no idea from where this 14Kya came.
quote:“Europeans carry a motley mix of genes from at least three ancient sources: indigenous hunter-gatherers within Europe, people from the Middle East, and northwest Asians from near the Great Steppe of eastern Europe and central Asia. One high-profile recent study suggested that each genetic component entered Europe by way of a separate migration and that they only came together in most Europeans in the past 5000 years.
Now ancient DNA from the fossilized skeleton of a short, dark-skinned, dark-eyed man who lived at least 36,000 years ago along the Middle Don River in Russia presents a different view: This young man had DNA from all three of those migratory groups and so was already “pure European,” says evolutionary biologist Eske Willerslev of the Natural History Museum of Denmark at the University of Copenhagen, who led the analysis.”
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: ^^^ Who here except an extreeme minority claim so called white people dont exist outside of Europe
It has nothing to do with extremism. Geographically and biologically it makes no sense that there were whites all over the globe. We already went over this years ago.
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PLoS Genet. 2013 Mar; 9(3): e1003372. Published online 2013 Mar 21. doi: 10.1371/journal.pgen.1003372
Genetic Architecture of Skin and Eye Color in an African-European Admixed Population Sandra Beleza, 1 ,
To explore these ideas, we first examined worldwide allele frequency distributions for the most strongly associated SNP at each locus, using information from the Human Genome Diversity Project (HGDP) [39] and HapMap III [19]. THE DERIVED APBA2 (OCA2) ALLELE IS PRESENT AT LOW FREQUENCIES IN ***MOST POPULATIONS*** OF AFRICAN ANCESTRY, AND AT HIGH FREQUENCIES IN MOST POPULATIONS OF ASIAN AND EUROPEAN ANCESTRY. By contrast, the derived HERC2 (OCA2) allele is absent??? from African and East Asian populations, and appears at high frequency only in Western and Northern Europe (Figure 6a, 6b). These results suggest that an APBA2 (OCA2) mutation conferring light skin arose BEFORE the spread of humans out of Africa, and that a HERC2 (OCA2) mutation conferring pale eye color arose much later.
which mutation gave central Africanss blue eyes 50kya?
Who knows. You could name it anything. How about the 50 Kago mutation? The genes and the condition predates the human race. Mutations in these genes are a constant. It doesn't matter what you call it, you know it was happening and you know what it do.
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quote:Originally posted by Fourty2Tribes: Who knows. You could name it anything. How about the 50 Kago mutation? The genes and the condition predates the human race. Mutations in these genes are a constant. It doesn't matter what you call it, you know it was happening and you know what it do.
Lemme ask this.... how are probable random mutations relevant to known mutations widely involved in the make up of modern pale skinned and blue eyed individuals. How are the philistines at all related to 50kya central Africans who might've been pale skinned. Africans till this day have very high variation in the regions that are involved in pigmentation... but Eurasians... particularly west Eurasians Do not. And if iirc the upper bound estimate for their oldest pigmentation mutation is about 24kya and only became widespread after 10kya. So how are you planning on tying unknown genes for pigmentation to the OP?
On a side not have you ever heard of Joseph Yahuda?
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PLoS Genet. 2013 Mar; 9(3): e1003372. Published online 2013 Mar 21. doi: 10.1371/journal.pgen.1003372
Genetic Architecture of Skin and Eye Color in an African-European Admixed Population Sandra Beleza, 1 ,
To explore these ideas, we first examined worldwide allele frequency distributions for the most strongly associated SNP at each locus, using information from the Human Genome Diversity Project (HGDP) [39] and HapMap III [19]. THE DERIVED APBA2 (OCA2) ALLELE IS PRESENT AT LOW FREQUENCIES IN ***MOST POPULATIONS*** OF AFRICAN ANCESTRY, AND AT HIGH FREQUENCIES IN MOST POPULATIONS OF ASIAN AND EUROPEAN ANCESTRY. By contrast, the derived HERC2 (OCA2) allele is absent??? from African and East Asian populations, and appears at high frequency only in Western and Northern Europe (Figure 6a, 6b). These results suggest that an APBA2 (OCA2) mutation conferring light skin arose BEFORE the spread of humans out of Africa, and that a HERC2 (OCA2) mutation conferring pale eye color arose much later.
You are desperate and hopeless. I am speaking of white skin as in European white! SMH
As I said many years ago already. Africans possessed the fix and non fixed alleles for light pigmentation long before any modern European arrived in Africa.
quote:possed“Further, the alleles associated with skin pigmentation at all loci but SLC24A5 (lighter and darker skin pigmentation associated alleles within Africa are ancient, predating the origin of modern humans. The ancestral alleles at the majority of predicted causal SNPs are associated with light skin, raising the possibility that the ancestors of modern humans could have had relatively light skin color, as is observed in the San population today. This study sheds new light on the evolutionary history of pigmentation in humans
Despite the wide range of skin pigmentation in humans, little is known about its genetic basis in global populations. Examining ethnically diverse African genomes, we identify variants in or near SLC24A5, MFSD12, DDB1, TMEM138, OCA2 and HERC2 that are significantly associated with skin pigmentation.
Genetic evidence indicates that the light pigmentation variant at SLC24A5 was introduced into East Africa by gene flow from non-Africans. At all other loci, variants associated with dark pigmentation in Africans are identical by descent in southern Asian and Australo-Melanesian populations. Functional analyses indicate that MFSD12 encodes a lysosomal protein that affects melanogenesis in zebrafish and mice, and that mutations in melanocyte-specific regulatory regions near DDB1/TMEM138 correlate with expression of UV response genes under selection in Eurasians.”
Loci associated with skin pigmentation identified in African populations
~Nicholas G. Crawford et al., Loci associated with skin pigmentation identified in African populations Science 17 Nov 2017: Vol. 358, Issue 6365, eaan8433 DOI: 10.1126/science.aan8433
quote: Although the lineage containing this haplotype must have originated in Africa, C3 is rare in Africa (1.0% in MKK) but widely distributed in East Asia, the New World, and Oceania.
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Frequencies display strong population differentiation, with the derived light skin pigmentation allele (A111T) fixed or nearly so in all European populations and the ancestral allele predominant in sub-Saharan Africa and East Asia (Lamason et al. 2005; Norton et al. 2007).
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Phased haplotypes were retrieved from HapMap, Release 21. For phylogenetic analysis, graphs were drawn by the use of a simple nearest-neighbor approach and rooted by the use of ancestral alleles determined by comparison with other primate sequences.
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"Of the remaining 10 common core haplotype groups, all ancestral at rs1426654, eight clearly have their origins in Africa (Figure 3B, Figure 4, and Table S4). Three early diverging haplotypes, C1, C2, and C4, are rare outside of Africa and clearly originated there."
"In the lineage containing the majority of haplotypes, each of the three branches, containing C5, C6-C7, and C8-C11, give strong evidence of having originated in Africa. C5 reaches its greatest abundance in West Africa and is rare outside of Africa. Within the other two branches, C6 and C9, which are the most common haplotypes in Africa, are also common worldwide, whereas C7 is abundant in East Asia and much less common but widespread in Africa. "
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Our dating for this haplotype is consistent with a non-African origin. The most likely location for the origin of C11 is, therefore, within the region in which it is fixed or nearly so. As both models for the origin of C11 imply that C3 and C10 were present in ancestors of Europeans, the observed and inferred distributions of these autosomal haplotypes are consistent with the single-out-of- Africa hypothesis derived using uniparental markers (Oppenheimer 2003; Macaulay et al. 2005).
~Victor A. Canfield et al. Molecular Phylogeography of a Human Autosomal Skin Color Locus Under Natural Selection 2013
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quote:Originally posted by Fourty2Tribes: Who knows. You could name it anything. How about the 50 Kago mutation? The genes and the condition predates the human race. Mutations in these genes are a constant. It doesn't matter what you call it, you know it was happening and you know what it do.
Lemme ask this.... how are probable random mutations relevant to known mutations widely involved in the make up of modern pale skinned and blue eyed individuals. How are the philistines at all related to 50kya central Africans who might've been pale skinned. Africans till this day have very high variation in the regions that are involved in pigmentation... but Eurasians... particularly west Eurasians Do not. And if iirc the upper bound estimate for their oldest pigmentation mutation is about 24kya and only became widespread after 10kya. So how are you planning on tying unknown genes for pigmentation to the OP?
On a side not have you ever heard of Joseph Yahuda?
La Brana is of significance. He had blue eyes.
quote: Lalueza-Fox states: "However, the biggest surprise was to discover that this individual possessed African versions in the genes that determine the light pigmentation of the current Europeans, which indicates that he had dark skin, although we can not know the exact shade.”
quote: In our data, with the exception of a low frequency haplotype in Africa, rs916977 and rs1667394 are in nearly complete LD. Therefore, we treat them as another haplotype system, BEH3, blue-eye associated haplotype #3. The blue-eye associated allele of BEH3 is CA, again the derived haplotype. In the HGDP populations BEH3 will consist of rs1667394 only since rs916977 is not present in the data set.
A global view of the OCA2-HERC2 region and pigmentation
People like the OP (real expert) play chess not checkers. The prop up, is to claim ancient Egypt, with the blue eye Egypt ideology.
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PLoS Genet. 2013 Mar; 9(3): e1003372. Published online 2013 Mar 21. doi: 10.1371/journal.pgen.1003372
Genetic Architecture of Skin and Eye Color in an African-European Admixed Population Sandra Beleza, 1 ,
To explore these ideas, we first examined worldwide allele frequency distributions for the most strongly associated SNP at each locus, using information from the Human Genome Diversity Project (HGDP) [39] and HapMap III [19]. THE DERIVED APBA2 (OCA2) ALLELE IS PRESENT AT LOW FREQUENCIES IN ***MOST POPULATIONS*** OF AFRICAN ANCESTRY, AND AT HIGH FREQUENCIES IN MOST POPULATIONS OF ASIAN AND EUROPEAN ANCESTRY. By contrast, the derived HERC2 (OCA2) allele is absent??? from African and East Asian populations, and appears at high frequency only in Western and Northern Europe (Figure 6a, 6b). These results suggest that an APBA2 (OCA2) mutation conferring light skin arose BEFORE the spread of humans out of Africa, and that a HERC2 (OCA2) mutation conferring pale eye color arose much later.
You are desperate and hopeless. I am speaking of white skin as in European white! SMH
quote:Originally posted by xxyman: Egyptsearch reloaded
Keep in mind I am not arguing Africans are as white as Europeans. That is strawman tactic. H is framing the argument as such. Clear deception by him. Agreed some Africans may be of the same shade as Southern Europeans. But again, some East Asians are fairer than Northern Europeans.
I TOLD LIONESS OVER AT ES ABOUT 2 YEARS AGO THAT LIGHT SKIN WAS ANCESTRAL AND SHE DID NOT GET IT. I HOPE YOU ARE MORE FORMIDABLE THAN HER AND GET IT.
quote:Originally posted by Elmaestro: Lemme ask this.... how are probable random mutations relevant to known mutations widely involved in the make up of modern pale skinned and blue eyed individuals.
Same genes and effects, symptoms, conditions etc.
quote: How are the philistines at all related to 50kya central Africans who might've been pale skinned. Africans till this day have very high variation in the regions that are involved in pigmentation... but Eurasians... particularly west Eurasians Do not. And if iirc the upper bound estimate for their oldest pigmentation mutation is about 24kya and only became widespread after 10kya. So how are you planning on tying unknown genes for pigmentation to the OP?
On a side not have you ever heard of Joseph Yahuda?
Same as above You know the Xmen have different mutations too? I never heard of Joseph Yahuda.
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quote:Originally posted by Elmaestro: Lemme ask this.... how are probable random mutations relevant to known mutations widely involved in the make up of modern pale skinned and blue eyed individuals.
Same genes and effects, symptoms, conditions etc.
quote: How are the philistines at all related to 50kya central Africans who might've been pale skinned. Africans till this day have very high variation in the regions that are involved in pigmentation... but Eurasians... particularly west Eurasians Do not. And if iirc the upper bound estimate for their oldest pigmentation mutation is about 24kya and only became widespread after 10kya. So how are you planning on tying unknown genes for pigmentation to the OP?
On a side not have you ever heard of Joseph Yahuda?
Same as above You know the Xmen have different mutations too? I never heard of Joseph Yahuda.
Same genes? - possibly but not always the case for a given phenotype Same Mutations? - Very Very unlikely You have to provide proof of relevancy.. not tell me what I already know. And once again your image link isn't working.... So I might just be missing your point.
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Fixed the pic. My point is that its almost never the same mutations yet the variations are still a constant and the effects are the same. White skin predates humanity.
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I'm not sure what you mean by that as all creatures in the presence of the sun have to deal with uv light in some way,the only time you'll find white fur,skin and feathers are in environments in which they are a benefit or how are eyes perceive those things and for skin I'm talking non human creatures.
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quote:Originally posted by Thereal: I'm not sure what you mean by that as all creatures in the presence of the sun have to deal with uv light in some way,the only time you'll find white fur,skin and feathers are in environments in which they are a benefit or how are eyes perceive those things and for skin I'm talking non human creatures.
Panama is hella equatorial yet you have indigenous pale blue eyed blondes.
This is a very rare gorilla, snowflake from Equatorial Guinea who has a genetic condition called oculocutaneous albinism. Researchers to believe that his parents were uncle and niece. Snowflake received the recessive gene from both parents, causing his albinism. Other gorillas in Snowflakes his group were the typical dark color.
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These are Japanese snow monkeys this is their typical color not due to albinism
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Are you saying white skin is some base form for living organism and we evolved photo protection in term of melanin content,fur and feathers? Because I can understand that if you're insinuating it.
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No I am not saying that. I am showing that albinism explains snowflake the gorilla but not these Japanese snow monkeys
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quote:Originally posted by Fourty2Tribes: Fixed the pic. My point is that its almost never the same mutations yet the variations are still a constant and the effects are the same. White skin predates humanity.
Okay I see... your arguing point I made on here about four years ago as well a focal point of my research as an undergrad. But that point has nothing to do with my question. At the end of the day only a handful of variants are responsible for the majority or Eurasian variation. How do Africans with their OWN unique variants have anything to do with known Eurasian variants. What do a supposed Roca or Boca individual have to do with Levantines and philistines having the same A111T mutations as modern Europeans for example? Where does this point lead?
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This is a very rare gorilla, snowflake from Equatorial Guinea who has a genetic condition called oculocutaneous albinism. Researchers to believe that his parents were uncle and niece. Snowflake received the recessive gene from both parents, causing his albinism. Other gorillas in Snowflakes his group were the typical dark color.
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These are Japanese snow monkeys this is their typical color not due to albinism
The Japanese monkeys could be a race of snowflakes. It all depends on how you define things.
quote:Originally posted by Elmaestro: Okay I see... your arguing point I made on here about four years ago as well a focal point of my research as an undergrad. But that point has nothing to do with my question. At the end of the day only a handful of variants are responsible for the majority or Eurasian variation. How do Africans with their OWN unique variants have anything to do with known Eurasian variants. What do a supposed Roca or Boca individual have to do with Levantines and philistines having the same A111T mutations as modern Europeans for example? Where does this point lead?
For example? I'm not seeing any raw data so I'm assuming they aren't even talking about mutations. I'm thinking its just pigment gene version.
Something like this.
I need to see more on this too.
quote:DNA analysis showed that skeletons preserved in the cave were genetically distinct from people who historically lived in that region. And some of the genetic differences matched those of people who lived in neighboring Anatolia and the Zagros Mountains, which are now part of Turkey and Iran, the study found.
I need raw data to go beyond answering the narrative. The 50K white Africans is an answer to the narrative. I remember talking to someone who was shocked at seeing a Mexican ginger. I showed them a picture of an African ginger. Remember west Asia is as diverse as OoA gets. I would expect people with rarer light skin genes to produce lighter skin folk
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quote: Repression of Slc24a5 can reduce pigmentation in chicken.
The only difference is one is syndromic and the other isn't though it may have been at one point.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: ^^^ Who here except an extreme minority claim so called white people don't exist outside of Europe
Exactly! Also just because the remains of a white blue-eyed person was found in Israel 6500 years ago, are we to assume this person was indigenous to the area or representative of the native peoples??
In the Akkadian mural from Mari (Syria) that Baalberith posted above, note the one white man in the lower left hand corner:
By the way, if the ancient Israelite person had alleles for white skin and blue eyes does this mean he had these traits since recall the debacle with the Mesolithic Englishman who supposedly looked like this:
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How did this thread went from a topic about the presence of Whites in the Levant to a debate about Whites being Albinos?
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: ^^^ Who here except an extreme minority claim so called white people don't exist outside of Europe
Exactly! Also just because the remains of a white blue-eyed person was found in Israel 6500 years ago, are we to assume this person was indigenous to the area or representative of the native peoples??
In the Akkadian mural from Mari (Syria) that Baalberith posted above, note the one white man in the lower left hand corner:
By the way, if the ancient Israelite person had alleles for white skin and blue eyes does this mean he had these traits since recall the debacle with the Mesolithic Englishman who supposedly looked like this:
Djehuti, I don't think the man at the bottom is "White" at all. This is only a reconstruction of the mural and there are still patches of the mural not recovered.
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: ^^^ Who here except an extreme minority claim so called white people don't exist outside of Europe
Exactly! Also just because the remains of a white blue-eyed person was found in Israel 6500 years ago, are we to assume this person was indigenous to the area or representative of the native peoples??
In the Akkadian mural from Mari (Syria) that Baalberith posted above, note the one white man in the lower left hand corner:
From what we understand these people originated from the "Crescent" (Caucasus) and spread from there into Europe and the Levant.
What "Real Expert" claimed was that white people at one point in time (before the colonial period), populated all of the world, all over globe. "Real Expert" was referring to places like Easter Islands etc.,
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Glad DJ remembered that proof of complexion, one yte amid a sea of blx. Ish has got it down that ytes came from beyond The Rock into Mesopotamia.
Seeing only this 'repro' the past 40 yrs
I'd love to see the original but this ain't it. Apparently of the same provenance but not a dead ringer.
BTW appreciate yr img exhibit u make img collecting so much the easier thx
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Fresco mural Investiture of Zimri-Lim (palace of Zimri-Lim)
The fresco was poorly preserved due to the region's conditions and the destruction of the palace in the fire when Hammurabi sacked the city in 1760 BC. The painting underwent several restorations and repainting, most of which was cleared recently by the Louvre. The cleaning revealed several details hitherto unseen, including the fish in the dispensed water. It also restored some brilliance to the colors of the painting.
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Reconstruction of the wall painting from room 132 Zimri-Lim's palace. Image created Parrot 1958: pl. XVII.
The first major set of rooms is Court 131, a massive area measuring 48 by 33 meters. It leads to Room 132, an unusual room with only one entrance and includes a throne dias at one end with a set of semi-circular steps leading to it. Room 132 was also painted with various images, and fragments have been reassembled for 5 different friezes, reconstructed to be 3 meters high and 3.36 meters wide. They are painted in black, white, red, and yellow, and show the king before various deities, being assisted by interceding goddesses and priests (fig. 6).
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Fresco mural Investiture of Zimri-Lim (palace of Zimri-Lim)
Statue of Puzur Ishtar, Governor of Mari, Neo-Sumerian Art. Period Ur III, 2100-200 BC.
Iku-Shamagan, King of Mari, praying. Staetite statuette (2650 BCE) Early dynastic period II, from the temple of Ishtar, Mari, Syria, National Museum, Damascus, Syria
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: From what we understand these people originated from the "Crescent" (Caucasus) and spread from there into Europe and the Levant.
These people obviously originated from northern climes as white skin did not originate in the subtropics. By the way, this topic was discussed before.
quote:What "Real Expert" claimed was that white people at one point in time (before the colonial period), populated all of the world, all over globe. "Real Expert" was referring to places like Easter Islands etc.
You're telling me 'Real Expert' subscribes to the long debunked theory of the 'Global Aryan Race' that the 3rd Reich promoted?! I'll believe it when I read it from his own post. Posts: 26236 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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^ … I have to lookup those posts, if it still exists that is.
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