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Bonampak420
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http://www.museosdeandalucia.es/culturaydeporte/museos/MCA/index.jsp?redirect=S2_4_5_1.jsp&idpro=6

Found near La Caleta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Caleta,_Spain
La Caleta is a beach located in the historical center of the city of Cádiz, Spain. It is a natural harbor by which Phoenicians, Carthaginians and Romans penetrated historically



Gades (modern-day Cadiz, Spain) was an ancient city located on the island of Erytheia, northwest of Gibraltar at the tip of the Iberian Peninsula and is believed to be one of the most ancient cities still standing in Western Europe.
Although some sources place its founding by the Phoenicians of Tyre in the eighth century BCE, other historical records claim that the city was established earlier, around 1100 BCE, as a seasonal trading post, providing the Phoenicians with access to the vast mineral wealth of the area. While historians accept the Phoenician settlement as fact, the ancient Greeks and Romans consider another possibility, believing the site to have been founded as a result of one of the twelve labours of the mythological son of Zeus, Hercules.
http://www.ancient.eu.com/Gades/

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Great info, and nice images.
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Thumbs up nice find will add repost some of these images over at ESR.
Any ideas who those persons are.

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Bonampak420

do you understand what you have done? Lioness is going to see those pictures and throw up blood. Then they are going to hit up Google and find ANY picture they can find to try and contradict these photos of yours.

The photo spam war has begun.

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This one appears to be a pithos.
A pithos is a storage container used for
bulk storage, primarily liquids such as oil or grain.
On this type a rope and/or rod is passed through
the sides as a and a pouring hole at top.
This may be a smaller conatiner
however for some specialized liquid.
I don't see a link for the larger photos.
Just one photo of this is shown at the Museo de Cádiz.
What is the link to the other photos of it?
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Marine pithos, lug on the bottom for insertion into a rack built across the hold.

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^^

aaaand we are off to the races.

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the holes on the sides look original in the wet clay for a handle
The top whole looks like it was put in later, crudely chipped out or maybe enlarged from a smaller original hole
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" Cabeza negroide, época fenicia " ( Head negroid, Phoenician)

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A pithos of this size and shape?

Was it likely to hold
a product from where
people looking like that
live?

Any indicators of what was
actually in this particular
vessel or was it unused?

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Need link, Lower head seems to have no holes and is in a case amoungst jewlery (may or may not be a hollow vessel for a related liquid)
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Not a pithos, but if indeed
hollow and "residue" is on
it, could be for ointment or
cologne.

Pure speculation w/o anything
to base it on, like some text
from the museum displaying it.

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Wow...Just wow...Further proof that blacks are indigenous to North Africa.
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I made sure to save these pics. Everyone should follow suit.
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quote:
Originally posted by Son of Ra:
Wow...Just wow...Further proof that blacks are indigenous to North Africa.

If the head was found in Spain isn't it proof blacks were indigenous to Spain?
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Wow even racist Spain is opening up.

Gotta luv Unity.

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Bonampak20 long time no post, beautiful head of black Iberian Phoenician.

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I looked hard for this

came up with:

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Male head with Negroid features : ( CE12093 )
Hometown : The seabed in the vicinity of the tip of the Nao (La Caleta )
Size : 22.5 x 16.5 cm
(8.9 inches x 6.5 inches)
Dating: sixth century B.C.
Museum Museum of Cádiz

Cultural Context / Iron Old Style . Phoenician- Punic
Hometown Playa de La Caleta , Cádiz ( m ) ( Cadiz Northwest Coast (district) , Cádiz ( province): Punta del Nao
Underwater Archaeological Survey , Rodicio Mera, Antonio
Specific / Site Location Playa La Caleta

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It's 9 inches tall maybe it's not a jar or pithos.

Also jars and vases have a lip edge at the hole, if not liquids leak on the body of the vessel at the end of a pour

Maybe it's not a not a storage container

Could it be a thymiaterion ( ncense burner) ?
But those are usually more bowl like at top, or a bowl with a lid.
function unknown

it's a beautiful sculpture

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any authentic sculpture of modern European looking Phoenicians?

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