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"Western civilisiation" is a good example of ad nauseum fallacy - the notion that propaganda does not need to logically demonstrate a truth, but merely to repeat a lie, until passive minded people repeat after it.
How many people who use this term, understand that before the late 19th century - there is no reference to 'western civilization' whatsover, anywhere, in the world, not in Europe, nor anywhere else.
Not in ancient Greece, or Rome, not in Moorish Europe, or colonial America, nor Victorian England.
No western civilisation....
"It is commonly understood that Propaganda is usually employed to garner citzens' support for current political objectives. But, these need to be placed in the proper context, in order to make them appear justified within the greater scheme of things. This fact has long been recognized, and therefore, since the eighteenth century, there has been a concerted effort to consolidate the media, in order to ensure a perception of reality, that was comensurate with the objectives of the powers that be.
Part of this agenda has been the re-writing of history, to nuture patriotic devotion to the collective consisting of the nations of Europe and America as "Western Civilization", to be pitted in opposition with some specific "other". In our case, the "East".
The wholesale reorganization of history was undertaken at the beginning of the nineteenth century by the leading Robber Barrons. After the Civil War, the US government handed over huge tracks of land to specific individuals, who then used that land as colateral to build the railroads. The leading Robber Barrons were John D. Rockefeller and Andrew Carnigie, who in turn were acting on behalf of the powerful Rothischilds in London.
Initially, the notion of "Western Civilization" was created to foster a sense of identity among the Allied Powers, as members of a single civilization, pitted against the East, in the case of World War I, Germany.
The history of the world according to Rockerfeller and Robber Barons, and the people who believe their lies, without thinking about them, simply because they are repeated, ad nauseum.
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-> Aragorn: "This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, " - Lord of the Rings
George Orwell:
The world of Nineteen Eighty-Four is built around a never-ending war involving the book's three superstates, with two allied powers fighting against the third. But as Goldstein's book explains, each superstate is so strong it cannot be defeated even when faced with the combined forces of the other two powers. The allied states occasionally split with each other and new alliances are formed. Each time this happens, history is rewritten to convince the people that the new alliances were always there, using the principles of doublethink.Posts: 15202 | Registered: Jun 2004
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^ George Orwells 1984 written in the late 1940s is a commentary on the very processes of propaganda that led to the consolidation of the fraud-polity: Western Civilisation.
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To Arwa, I believe Rasol compares the propaganda to religious dogma in that is a belief professed so many times it is taken to be true even though there is no empirical evidence of such.
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Can someone tell who David Livingstone is? And why does his article appear on rense.com ? Not the right place if you want people to take you seriously.
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^ Arwa, focus on the subject, and not irrelevant distractions.
Have you read 1984?
Do you know the meaning of 'double-think'?
Can you relate this to such notions as -> Egypt may be in Africa, but Ancient Egypt isn't African, because it belongs to 'middle east', or 'near east' or 'west' ? ? ?
How about the irony of people professing to teach a 'western civilization' in which the notion of 'blacks' is a claimed invention of the 'west'.
In fact historical references to 'blacks', ie -> km.t, in Africa, in South Asia and elsewhere go back to the very dawn of history, whereas 'western civilization' itself *does not exist* in history.
Don't you have any thoughts on this?
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It makes sense if people understand what is being said. Europe and the "Western World" is a creation of mind-think and social propaganda. This propaganda is based on the ancient "dying god" symbolism, but not from Babylon or Persia, but from Egypt. Of course we are talking about Osiris, the symbol of the great anthropomorphic God King of Egypt who brought civilization and agriculture to the nation and the world. He symbolizes the jealousy of everyone else towards the black nation (black people) because of their place as the first children of the earth and the seed stock of humanity as well as the natural wealth of the lands of Africa itself.
His dismemberment and resurrection along with the birth of Horus by Isis from his seed, represents the new hope for a new life after a time of crisis and destruction. This is the original trinity, the primordial union of man, woman and child that was the cornerstone of African consciousness, where no matter the struggle or tribulations, the community always put faith in planting seeds of hope for new life in the future, which means procreation in terms of offspring, as well as the regenerative power of nature itself. Osiris was the epitome of this regenerative power, with Isis and Horus representing mother nature and new life and the restoration of balance or "maat" in life. In this whole drama, the ultimate point was the survival not just of individuals, but the BLACK NATION itself, symbolizing those people who would suffer, die and be oppressed as the seed of the earth and children of the earth by their evil brethren. Osiris represents the good king, he who maintains the seed of the future in terms of agriculture and the nurturing power of the land and the throne, he IS the X chromosome of life itself.
All of this is explicitly nationalistic and reinforces a strong connection between the PEOPLE of the black nation, the gods, the earth and the universe itself. It put THEM and their Kings as CENTRAL agents in the whole STRUGGLE of good versus evil, with the ULTIMATE goal being the survival and longevity of the black nation itself. It became a organizing principle underlying the state itself and all the organs of state, meaning the military, religious, agricultural and industrial processes of the country. ALL of this was designed to work to build a STRONG sense of identity and national consciousness that ALWAYS reinforced the concept of the "black nation" as symbolic of all that is good and proper and a SACRED connection to the gods themselves. This sense of identity and belief in one's place in the whole scheme of life itself was a fundamental and essential aspect of the "black nation" or Kmt. It gives them HOPE in times of trouble, makes them the HEROES in any conflict and always gave them something to FIGHT FOR, ie. god and country, the black soil, the black land, the black nation and Africa.
Now, all of this was a deep, intimate and metaphysical EXPERIENCE for these people. It wasn't just a "religion" but a form of CONSCIOUSNESS itself, that permeated a persons very existence and soul and put them in intimate contact with the universe and life itself. It promised a "savior" and new life in the form of the children, who would ultimately restore order and balance in times of chaos. It told THEIR story and was the basis of their history and provided an understanding for the individual of WHO they are, where they come from and where they are going.
Now, this is the basis of the secret societies that came about in later times. Their goal was to create a new consciousness and history among the people and to put WHITE people and WHITE culture and the WHIT NATION at the center of the history, culture and consciousness of the people of the earth. This gave rise to Christ as the "savior" or risen King representing the myth of progress and advancement and civilization for European whites, who were the "chosen" people. This imagery was then used to burn whiteness and white "civilization" as the PINNACLE of all existence and goodness in those they conquered in the new "nations" built on White Supremacy. This also goes hand in hand with the rise of Judaism, which also reflects the idea of the white Nation as the epitome of the struggle against good and evil with WHITES ultimately ALWAYS being the force for goodness, peace, truth and love in the world. This gave rise to the Parsis and other groups who began to dominate the mercantile and industrial class of India, in close conjunction with the British, who worshipped "western" civilization and the WHITE God of Zoastrianism, who looks remarkably like Christ. This is also the basis of the Buddhist swastika in Nazi Germany. This is all about building and creating a world view and outlook for the people of the WHITE NATION, in which they are the heroes and they are the ones who are on the side of what is good and what is right, that allows them to bond together and work towards their "destiny" as gods children of the earth. Of course IN all of this, the black man and woman have no place, have no hero and are NOT counted as being among the chosen. This is replaced with the ideal of WHITE civilization and the WHITE nation, that they are supposed to UPHOLD and DEFEND at all costs, as their "savior" and GUARANTOR of a better life and of course those who are supposed to take the world from the savage blacks and bring new life, peace and happiness to "gods" people of the earth, the WHITE NATION, FREEDOM and JUSTICE for all.
Of course all of this is a complete fabrication. The rise of Europe has meant nothing but death and destruction for hundreds of millions of people around the world over the last 500 years. The black nation and its people is constantly under attack, its institutions destroyed and their heroes dismantled and diminished. They are treated as the scourge of the earth, half breed mongrels and not "true" humans. They are raped, beat, murdered and insulted at every turn. It produces a people who have no history and culture and ostracizes them as individuals whose whole purpose in life is to be shiftless, lazy, stupid and dumb, engaging in trivial activities as if it was something of monumental significance. THAT is the reality of what WHITE SUPREMACY has brought about.
In fact the symbolism being talked about can be seen again in Martin Luther King and Malcom X, representing the GOOD King leading the black Nation to its rebirth based on the new seed of the strong black man as part of the trinity of man, woman and child.
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Good topic as food for thought and spotlight on the fraud called "Western civilization", something that I've made a point about many times on this board.
The deceitful have long seen *repetition* of disinformation and lies as a necessary propaganda tool for the "manufacture of consent" and "rewriting history"; the notorious Nazi spin-doctor doesn't make this fact any blunter when he says:
"If you repeat a lie often enough, it will be accepted as truth." - Josef Goebbels, Propaganda Minister for Hitler.
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^ So 'Western Civilization' is nothing more than a grossly exaggerated geo-political concept. Again, the term 'Western' is derived from the Western half of the Roman Empire during the 2nd century, and implies the early nations that took root in this region. Scholars then applied the term to the descendants of these nations i.e. European imperial colonies in the Americas etc. but then began to include whatever civilizations attributed to the rise of these Medieval kingdoms including Rome, Greece, Mesopotamia, Egypt etc! Therefore the term is nothing more than faux umbrella term for anything western Europeans want to covet as part of their so-called legacy.
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Precisely: People routing refer to the history of Western Civilization as if they are describing a polity with a several thousand year old continuous history, never stopping to even ask the obvious questions about why this supposedly 'naturalized' construct fails to appear in history books, or occur to any of it's protagonists or adversaries.
There is no Western Civilization in the works of the Roman or Greeks.
There is no Western Civilisation in the writings of Sun Tzu or Machaivelli or Al-Jihaz.
From Jihaz: The Superiority of the blacks over the whites
We Blacks have conquered the country of the Arabs as far as Mecca and governed them. The desert swarm with the number of our men who married your women and who became chiefs and defended you against your enemies. You even have sayings in your language which vaunt the deeds of our kings - deeds which you often placed above your own; this you would not have done had you not considered them superior to your own. We defeated Dhu Nowas (Jewish ruler of Yemen) and killed all the Himyarite princes, but the Arabs and Whites (from Europe) have never conquered our country. ->
We know of Blacks and Arabs, we know of whites, but where is this 'west'?
Is it and invisible reality of history that simply failed to occur on historians until Rockerfeller discovered it?
Where is the west in the writings of the Buddha?
Where is the west in the writings of Jesus Christ?
Yet we are told Christainity is *Western*.
When the Romans killed Jesus Christ - was this intracene violence between *westerners*, or was Jesus and Eastern religious cult leader murdered by the west?
Apparently the power of propaganda is the power to make up a story, and project back onto the past as if it were and eternal reality.
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Mr ws.t(aka Rasol) is right, but you have some kind of obsession with the ws.t, you stopped using that "ws.t" word in your posts when someone mentioned that to you. I'm trying to moderate that thread. It's an interesting one, but let's keep it objective. Especially for Africans who were not exposed much to European culture or oppression...From my point of view it's a racist term that would like to define a civilized world: Western Europe, North America and Israel, yes Israel, since many of their leaders clearly state that they are part of the western civilization in many interviews...I remember few years ago, Ehud Omert was the mayor of Jerusalem and was talking to a CNN reporter and mentioned that Israel was part of the civilized world(aka the Western Civilization). The problem is that it's very difficult to fight that notion since it is intertwined with human rights values and democracy in the 20th and 21th century. Whereas it was linked to oppression and colonization in the early 20th century and slavery and colonization in the 19th century, 18th century and to a certain extent in the 17th century... It's important to analyze how the notion of the Western world evolved, otherwise it can lead to generalization that are not intellectually sound...As an example, without the SADC(Southern Africa organization), South African Blacks would have had a hard time to fight apartheid, but at the same time the West not Russia or Eastern European countries or Asian countries helped to create conditions for Black South Africans and Namibians to be free from the racist Boer(Dutch Bastard(genetically) or Mulatto) and German oppression. Let's have an intellectual discourse here. How the notion of "Western civilization" evolved from savagery in the 17th, 18th and 19th century with respect to slavery to a noble notion in the late 20th century and 21st century, to the point American leader, some Western European and Israeli leaders keep quoting it in the 21st century...Let's analyze that evolution...
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As an example, without the SADC(Southern Africa organization), South African Blacks would have had a hard time to fight apartheid, but at the same time the West not Russia or Eastern European countries or Asian countries helped to create conditions for Black South Africans and Namibians to be free from the racist Boer(Dutch Bastard or Mulatto) and German oppression.
Really? How do you suppose the apartheid state got a hold of Mirage jet fighters, and even produced local spin-offs from it, namely the Cheetah jet fighters, which were used mostly against Black Africans. Who do you think helped them in this project, in the Levant? The same could be said of Puma helicopters, in terms of where they purchased that technology. In fact, what do you suppose the apartheid state started an 'indigenous' attack helicopter program for, and to be used against whom, and based on what technology? Who do you think assisted the apartheid state in their effort to develop nuclear weapons, which was apparently abandoned upon the dismantle of the white-run apartheid state? Why did the apartheid state fight in Angola against "communism" [perceived to be Russian cancer]? How did the apartheid state last as long as it did, if it weren't for the assistance of the so-called "west"?
Your statement has contradiction, when you say:
the West not Russia or Eastern European countries or Asian countries helped to create conditions for Black South Africans and Namibians to be free from the racist Boer(Dutch Bastard or Mulatto) and German oppression.
Is Germany not part of the "West"?
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quote:Mr ws.t(aka Rasol) is right, but you have some kind of obsession with the ws.t, you stopped using that "ws.t" word in your posts when someone mentioned that to you.
No, I still use ws.t. It's called knowing what you want to say, how you want to say it, and why you are saying it.
The post corrects a fallacy in another thread, it doesn't reflect obsession anymore than say... your repounding to it reflects and "obsession with me". Posts: 15202 | Registered: Jun 2004
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quote:Your statement has contradiction, when you say:
the West not Russia or Eastern European countries or Asian countries helped to create conditions for Black South Africans and Namibians to be free from the racist Boer(Dutch Bastard or Mulatto) and German oppression.
Is Germany not part of the "West"?
^ How much longer before Africa starts to grasp that the definition of West is whatever whites remake it into, in order to best control how he thinks, and so order the world, and even the past... to their advantage?
He provides excellent example of how effective propaganda can be.
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quote:Where is the west in the writings of Jesus Christ?
The Passion of the Christ
The most pernicious aspect of Passion plays is the repetition of the charge of deicide, that is, that the Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus. The charge of deicide lies at the core of Western antisemitism.
- ah, so Jesus is not and Eastern Jewish leader. He is the God of the West, murdered by the Eastern Jews.
I'm talking about Germans in Namibia. They are Africans not part of the West as are Afrikaners in South Africa.They tried to make Namibia and SA part of the "West" but they failed after the Black African successful struggle.
quote: How the notion of "Western civilization" evolved from savagery in the 17th, 18th and 19th century with respect to slavery to a noble notion in the late 20th century and 21st century, to the point American leader, some Western European and Israeli leaders keep quoting it in the 21st century...Let's analyze that evolution.
Let's analyze that, that was my point, I would like to bring some nuances into that thread instead of delving into Rasol's obsession. I intend to stay the course, please feel free to address the above. That's called a healthy discussion...
quote:^ How much longer before Africa starts to grasp that the definition of West is whatever whites remake it into, in order to best control how he thinks, and so order the world, and even the past... to their advantage?
He provides excellent example of how effective propaganda can be.
That provides excellent example to your paranoia...you thoughts should be delivered to a professional that can help you better resolve your psychological fears...
The Multinational Monitor
September 1988 - VOLUME 9 - NUMBER 9
S O U T H A F R I C A T H E S T R U G G L E C O N T I N U E S
BUSINESS AS USUAL WITH PRETORIA By David Bates TRADE SANCTIONS AGAINST South Africa, adopted in various forms by most governments of the industrialized world, have failed to spark major changes in that nation's policy of apartheid. The primary cause of this disappointment is the failure of sanctions to reduce significantly foreign trade with the racist regime in Pretoria. Despite the sanctions, many multinational companies continue to conduct large scale and very profitable business with the South Africa regime. Japan--which bans all direct investment in South Africa--and the United States, which adopted bans on a variety of South African imports in 1986, remain Pretoria's two largest trading partners.
Economic relations with these and other industrialized nations are vital to the prosperity of South Africa's economy. An estimated $21.5 billion, 10 percent of South Africa's total investments, are derived from direct foreign investments. As recently as 1985, more than 90 percent of the total foreign investment in South Africa was held by transnational companies based in Britain, the United States, France, West Germany and Switzerland, according to a United Nations survey. Foreign trade plays a crucial role for Pretoria as well, generating some 55 percent of South Africa's gross domestic product. Roughly 70 percent of that total foreign trade is conducted with Japan, the United States, West Germany and Britain. As of 1985, these four nations supplied more than 75 percent of South Africa's machinery, electrical equipment and chemical imports, 89 percent of its motor vehicle imports and 95 percent of its railway equipment.
Japan Moves Up
In 1987, Japan surpassed the United States as South Africa's largest trading partner, with bilateral trade of $4.27 billion. During the first six months of 1988, Japan's trade with South Africa was $2.15 billion. The Japanese government, sensitive to criticism over increased trade with South Africa, sought to downplay the figure by pointing out that South African imports had declined 9.2 percent, to slightly over $1 billion, in the first six months of the year. "It can be said that the Japanese government's request calling for business to restrain their trade with Pretoria in a voluntary manner is having an effect," said one ministry official. The decline in imports, however, was more than offset by Japan's $1.13 billion in exports to South Africa, which created a net increase in bilateral trade of 13.3 percent in the first half of 1988.
Non-Equity Links: Big Bucks for Auto Makers Although the Japanese government forbids direct investment in South Africa by Japanese firms, Japanese companies may legally establish subsidiaries there. With such "non-equity" links, Japanese auto companies relinquish profits and direct control of the subsidiary's production and marketing activities in exchange for the subsidiary paying licensing royalties and buying parts and unassembled, "knockdown" vehicles.
In just the first half of 1988, the Toyota Motor Corp. subsidiary Toyota South African Manufacturing, Ltd.--a company wholly owned by South Africans--imported 47,927 cars and knockdown vehicles from the parent company in Japan for assembly in South Africa. The Toyota subsidiary has become South Africa's largest automaker, and Japanese cars are estimated to total 55 percent of all automobiles sold on the South African market. Japan sold a total of $954.5 million worth of completed and unassembled vehicles to South Africa in 1987, comprising almost half of all Japanese trade with that country.
In response to Japanese government pressure and international criticism, the Japanese auto industry announced in August 1988 that it would voluntarily reduce auto exports to South Africa, in terms of the yen value of the exports. But, because the yen has increased in value relative to other currencies, the industry's announcement was disingenuous. In yen terms, Japanese-South Africa trade for the first half of 1988 fell 3 percent, to 272 billion yen. In U.S. dollars, however, bilateral trade jumped 213 percent, to $2.2 billion. Favorable currency exchange rates would permit the Japanese auto industry to "reduce" exports on paper, even if the exports were increasing. Because the auto makers did not reveal the size of their proposed reduction, it is impossible to tell whether it is an accounting trick or legitimate.
Pretoria considers its economic relationship with Japan so important that it lifted apartheid restrictions on the 800 Japanese business people and their family members living in South Africa, granting them the status of "honorary whites." Mine Yoichi, an activist with the non-governmental Japan Anti- Apartheid Committee, called the honorary racial status "a shameful situation for us." West Germany's Bayerische Motoren Werke (BMW) and Audi also assemble cars at South African facilities and export South Africa-made auto parts back to West Germany. Volkswagen recently launched an expansion program in South Africa, while Daimler Benz has invested more than $100 million in the country since 1981.
Strategic Minerals: Pretoria's Insurance Policy
A common excuse for continued trade relationships with South Africa, particularly in the United States, is the enormous mineral wealth of the country and neighboring Namibia, a former German colony illegally controlled by Pretoria. The United States relies on South Africa for all of its andalusite imports, 58 percent of its chromium, 46 percent of its platinum-group metals and 27 percent of its manganese imports, according to the General Accounting Office (GAO). Because these minerals are needed in numerous military applications, they have been declared "strategic minerals" by President Reagan, exempting them from the import restrictions contained in the 1986 U.S. sanctions law. South African hard metal exports to the United States have almost doubled in the last year as U.S. buyers have stockpiled their inventories in anticipation of a total ban on South African mineral imports. The buyers hope augmented inventories will tide them over until alternative sources of supply become available. This dependency cuts both ways.
In 1985, South Africa pulled in some $11 billion in mineral export earnings. Moreover, in exchange for its strategic minerals, South Africa's white minority regime obtains from its industrialized foreign trading partners nuclear technology, transport equipment, computers and other vital electronic items.
In an October 1987 report, the U.N. Council for Namibia accused multinational companies--essential to these modern sectors of the South Africa economy--of reinforcing the country's apartheid system. "Since the benefits from those sectors accrue almost exclusively to whites, it can be said that transnational corporations are of particular importance to the preservation and growth of the privileges enjoyed by the white minority," the report stated.
Fuelling Apartheid
The United Nations, as well as many anti-apartheid groups and activists, place particular blame on foreign oil companies for helping the apartheid regime maintain its grip on power, noting that South Africa's dependence on imported oil could be a powerful lever for reform.
South Africa imports two-thirds of the oil it needs. "Almost all crude oil shipped to South Africa originates from countries that forbid their oil to be sold to the apartheid regime," the United Nations has found. Most of South Africa's oil is imported from Caltex Petroleum Corp. and Mobil Corp., both of the United States, British Petroleum, PLC, Royal Dutch/Shell and Total-Compagnie Miniere et Nucleaire of France.
The United States, Britain and France, not surprisingly, have consistently used their veto powers in the U.N. Security Council to block a measure--already adopted by the General Assembly and the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC)-- calling for a mandatory oil embargo against South Africa. Caltex and Mobil play a crucial role in the South Africa economy, supplying and refining an estimated 55 percent of South Africa's oil. Last December, when the United States adopted an anti-apartheid measure requiring U.S. firms in South Africa to pay taxes to the United States in addition to the taxes already being paid to the South African government for profits earned in South Africa, Mobil defiantly refused to pull out. Mobil's office in Cape Town said the new law would increase the company's tax rate from 57.5 percent to 72 percent, "significantly increasing the cost of doing business in South Africa." "Mobil nevertheless reiterates its determination to make its presence in South Africa an effective force for social change."
Undoubtedly, Mobil's decision to stay in South Africa was influenced by its $400 million presence in the country. British Petroleum and Royal Dutch/Shell supply Pretoria with oil and hold investments in South African gas stations, coal mines and petroleum refineries. The British engineering firm of Brown and Root was reported in March of 1987 to be trying secretly to recruit some 100 oil workers from the North Sea oil fields to work in South Africa's offshore gas field in Mossel Bay, east of Cape Town. Production there is expected to begin in 1991. Another U.S. multinational, Fluor Corp., has been managing two of South Africa's three oil-from-coal conversion plants as part of a $1 billion contract. West Germany's Lurgi GmbH company also helps operate the coal conversion facilities.
In 1984, Fluor also landed a joint contract with the French- based Framatone corporation to maintain South Africa's first nuclear-powered electric plant at Koeberg. Framatone, owned by the French government's Creusot-Loire group and the French Atomic Energy Commission, delivered the Koeberg nuclear reactors, which were built under a license held by Westinghouse Electric Corp. of the United States. Alsthom and Spie Batignolles, both from France, also helped build the Koeberg facility, while Credit Lyonnais of France led the group of banks which financed the project. Fuel rods for the Koeberg facility are manufactured by Eurofuels, a subsidiary of France's Framatone and Pechiney- Ugine-Kuhlman firms and Westinghouse. There is a good probability that many of those fuel rods contain Namibian and South African uranium mined by Rossing Uranium, Ltd. Rossing--an international conglomerate 46.5 percent owned by Britain's Rio Tinto Zinc (RTZ) Corp. and lesser ownership spread among French, West German and South African companies--operates the largest open-pit uranium mine in the world. The U.N. Council for Namibia has reported that Rossing Uranium has been the "largest profit generator for its parent multinational (RTZ)" since 1982, earning the British company some $40 million in both 1986 and 1987. The U.N. council was quick to point out that Pretoria's racist and laissez faire policies made such profitability possible. "It is relatively inexpensive to produce uranium in Namibia because of racial discrimination in wages, low taxation rates and the relative freedom from societal, political, environment and other legal restraints on foreign corporations operating in the Territory," the council said.
The Rossing operations also place the company's unprotected workers and local residents--who are predominantly black--at risk because of tremendous health hazards, according to U.N. experts. "The lack of safeguards and standards to protect black workers and local inhabitants against radioactive contamination from Rossing has made mining, processing and transportation of uranium particularly harmful to these people," a U.N. report found. "Thus, the plunder of Namibia's uranium by Rossing is likely to present a serious health and environmental hazard for generations of Namibians."
South Africa's two other nuclear facilities--the Pelindaba plant, which produces radioisotopes for research, and the Valindaba uranium-enrichment pilot plant--also were built with equipment and expertise from foreign multinationals. Companies such as West Germany's Siemens AG, Messerschmidt- Boelkow-Bloem, and Leybold-Heraus, Switzerland's Sulzer Brothers and France's Hispano-Suiza helped develop the Valindaba plant, which produces enough enriched uranium to build two or three nuclear bombs each year. Foreign firms such as these have played a crucial role in providing Pretoria with the technology it needs to develop its highly secret nuclear program. Western governments, such as France, the United States and Britain, must also bear responsibility for South Africa's step into the nuclear age because they have permitted transnationals to transfer nuclear know-how to Pretoria. Pretoria's refusal to sign the Treaty of Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, its potential to build nuclear weapons and its November 1986 purchase of two converted Israeli Boeing 707 in- flight refuelling tankers have caused alarm among South Africa's neighbors. Using the 707s, South African warplanes could conceivably deliver a nuclear or conventional air strike as far as 1,200 miles from South African territory, making every city south of the Sahara a potential target of South Africa's air force.
Divestment: Money Talks
Since the U.S. Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act took effect in October 1986, over the veto of President Reagan, the campaign for divestment has led at least 19 U.S. state governments, 70 U.S. cities and some 120 universities to approve measures mandating withdrawal of more than $18.5 billion in investments in companies doing business in or with South Africa.
In 1985, France announced a ban on new investments in South Africa by French companies and said state-run public utilities would not renew contracts for South African coal purchases. Also in 1985, the governments of Denmark, Finland Iceland, Norway and Sweden adopted a sanctions program in unison, and other sanctions individually, which virtually ended their commercial relations with South Africa.
In 1986, seven Commonwealth state leaders agreed to ban new investment and reinvestment of profits earned in South Africa, all government procurement and contracts with Pretoria and all financial loans to the regime. Since the U.S. Congress approved sanctions in late 1986, 162 U.S. firms have reduced or severed their ties to South Africa, including General Electric, General Motors, IBM and Coca-Cola.
Many of these companies, however, maintain a presence in South Africa through licensing or distribution agreements. IBM, for example, sold its South Africa operations, but continues to sell products in South Africa. General Motors sold its South Africa facilities to local managers, who will continue to build and sell GM vehicles in South Africa, and GM itself will continue to send spare parts to South Africa for assembly. While sanctions have not stopped the flow of dollars or the transfer of technology to South Africa's racist government, the actions of some of South Africa's largest trading partners have raised the financial and public relations costs of doing business there. Companies with interests in South Africa, however, seem willing to bear a high price in the pursuit of profit.
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quote:Where is the west in the writings of Jesus Christ?
The Passion of the Christ
The most pernicious aspect of Passion plays is the repetition of the charge of deicide, that is, that the Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus. The charge of deicide lies at the core of Western antisemitism.
- ah, so Jesus is not and Eastern Jewish leader. He is the God of the West, murdered by the Eastern Jews.
It's clear now.
All of which is a reflection of Osirian rituals, which embodied the concept of the generative power of the earth, the black people as the seed of the earth and the jealousy of others toward this, which would lead to the dismemberment and destruction of the "original" black god. But as god of the earth itself, it is impossible to kill him because he continues to grow with renewed strength, just as the black nation will never die but always grow back.
quote: I-Kher-Nefert stele
Much of the extant information about the Passion of Osiris can be found on a stele at Abydos erected in the 12th Dynasty by I-Kher-Nefert (also Ikhernefert), possibly a priest of Osiris or other official during the reign of Senwosret III (Pharaoh Sesostris, about 1875 BC).
The Passion Plays were held in the last month of the inundation (the annual Nile flood), coinciding with Spring, and held at Abydos/Abedjou which was the traditional place where the body of Osiris/Wesir drifted ashore after having been drowned in the Nile.[12] The part of the myth recounting the chopping up of the body into 14 pieces by Set is not recorded until later by Plutarch. Some elements of the ceremony were held in the temple, while others involved public participation in a form of theatre. The Stela of I-Kher-Nefert recounts the programme of events of the public elements over the five days of the Festival:
* The First Day, The Procession of Wepwawet: A mock battle is enacted during which the enemies of Osiris are defeated. A procession is led by the god Wepwawet ("opener of the way"). * The Second Day, The Great Procession of Osiris: The body of Osiris is taken from his temple to his tomb. * The Third Day, Osiris is Mourned and the Enemies of the Land are Destroyed. * The Fourth Day, Night Vigil: Prayers and recitations are made and funeral rites performed. * The Fifth Day, Osiris is Reborn: Osiris is reborn at dawn and crowned with the crown of Ma'at. A statue of Osiris is brought to the temple.[12]
[edit] Wheat and clay rituals
Contrasting with the public "theatrical" ceremonies sourced from the I-Kher-Nefert stele, more esoteric ceremonies were performed inside the temples by priests witnessed only by initiates. Plutarch mentions that two days after the beginning of the festival “the priests bring forth sacred chest containing a small golden coffer, into which they pour some potable water…and a great shout arises from the company for joy that Osiris is found (or resurrected). Then they knead some fertile soil with the water…and fashion therefrom a crescent-shaped figure, which they cloth and adorn, this indicating that they regard these gods as the substance of Earth and Water.” (Isis and Osiris, 39). Yet even he was obscure, for he also wrote, “I pass over the cutting of the wood” opting to not describe it since he considered it most sacred (Ibid. 21).
In the Osirian temple at Denderah, an inscription (translated by Budge, Chapter XV, Osiris and the Egyptian Resurrection) describes in detail the making of wheat paste models of each dismembered piece of Osiris to be sent out to the town where each piece was discovered by Isis. At the temple of Mendes, figures of Osiris are made from wheat and paste placed in a trough on the day of the murder, then water added for several days, when finally the mixture was kneaded into a mold of Osiris and taken to the temple and buried (the sacred grain for these cakes only grown in the temple fields). Molds are made from wood of a red tree in the forms of the sixteen dismembered parts of Osiris, cakes of divine bread made from each mold, placed in a silver chest and set near the head of the god, the inward parts of Osiris as described in the Book of the Dead (XVII). On the first day of the Festival of Ploughing, where the goddess Isis appears in her shrine where she is stripped naked, Paste made from the grain is placed in her bed and moistened with water, representing the fecund earth. All of these sacred rituals were climaxed by the eating of sacramental god, the eucharist by which the celebrants were transformed, in their persuasion, into replicas of their god-man (Larson 20).
[edit] Osirian sacrament
Although there were ethical and ceremonial considerations none of these could compare to the power of the divine eucharist, since it was literally believed to be the body (bread) and blood (ale) of the god. Since the ancient Nilotics believed that humans were whatever they eat, this sacrament was, by extension, able to make them celestial and immortal. The doctrine of the eucharist ultimately has its roots in prehistoric (symbolic) cannibalism, whose practitioners believed that the virtues and powers of the eaten would thus be absorbed by the eater. This phenomenon has been described throughout the world.
One of the oldest of the Pyramid Texts is the Unas[13] from the 6th Dynasty (circa 2500 BC). It shows that the original ideology of Egypt commingled with Osirian concepts. Although ultimately given a high place in heaven by order of Osiris, Unas is at first an enemy of the gods and his ancestors, whom he hunts, lassoes, kills, cooks, and eats so that their powers may become his own. This was written at a time when the eating of parents and gods was a laudable ceremony, and this emphasizes how hard it must have been to stamp out the older order of cannibalism. “He eats men, he feeds on the gods…he cooks them in his fiery cauldrons. He eats their words of power, he swallows their spirits…. He eats the wisdom of every god, his period of life is eternity…. Their soul is in his body, their spirits are within him.” A parallel passage is found in the Pyramid Text of Pepi II, who is said to have “seizeth those who are a follower of Set…he breaketh their heads, he cutteth off their haunches, he teareth out their intestines, he diggeth out their hearts, he drinketh copiously of their blood!” (line 531, ff). Although crude, this was a core concept, the conviction that one could receive immortality by eating the flesh and blood of a god who had died became a dominating obsession in the ancient world. Although the cult of Osiris forbade cannibalism, it did not outlaw dismemberment and eating of enemies, and practiced the ritual rending and eating of the sacred bull, symbolizing Osiris.
Although this sacramental concept only originated once in history, it spread throughout the Mediterranean area and became the dynamic force in every mystery cult. It was only by this sacerdotal means that the corruptible deceased could be clothed in incorruption and this idea appears again and again in infinite variety. The scribe Nebseni implores: “And there in the celestial mansions of heaven which my divine father Tem hath established, let my hands lay hold upon the wheat and the barley which shall be given unto me therein in abundant measure” (Ibid. LXXII). Nu corroborates that this is the eucharist by saying: “I am established, and the divine Sekhet-hetep is before me, I have eaten therein, I have become a spirit therein, I have abundance therein.” (Ibid. LXXVII) Again Nu states: “I am the divine soul of Ra…which is god…I am the divine food which is not corrupted” (Ibid. LXXXV). The ancientness of the concept is again reaffirmed in the Pyramid Text of Teta (2600 BC) where the Osiris Teta “receivest thy bread which decayeth not, and thy beer which perisheth not” In the Text of Pepi I we read: “All the gods give thee their flesh and their blood…. Thou shalt not die.” In the Text of Pepi II the aspirant prays for “thy bread of eternity, and thy beer of everlastingness” (Line 390).
quote:Originally posted by AFRICA I: I'm talking about Germans in Namibia. They are Africans not part of the West
Again, your attempts to provoke by talking nonsense are cute but ineffectual.
Whites do not consider themselves as Africans, nor are they regarded as Africans by Blacks. They routinely use the word African themselves and by that *they* invariably mean Blacks.
The exceptions are when they are making self conscious, self serving propaganda noises, like you are now, but no one takes them any more seriously than we do you.
quote: I would like to bring some nuances into that thread instead of delving into Rasol's obsession
No Hi-Jacking please. Stay on the topic of this thread instead of delving into your personal obsession with Rasol.
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^ More like his personal obsession with phenotypes and features! LOLPosts: 26236 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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There are certain negriphobe (if I can resurrect and alter a passe term) whites who make Africans out of Euro invaders who colonized parts of our continent.
They especially regard the white interlopers in southern Africa to be True Africans whereas the Middle Passage descendents aren't at all African in their eyes.
They particularly love to call transposed Euro colonials in the USA as African Americans. But then USA also stands for Union of South Africa.
quote:Originally posted by AFRICA I: I'm talking about Germans in Namibia. They are Africans not part of the West
Again, your attempts to provoke by talking nonsense are cute but ineffectual.
Whites do not consider themselves as Africans, nor are they regarded as Africans by Blacks. They routinely use the word African themselves and by that *they* invariably mean Blacks.
The exceptions are when they are making self conscious, self serving propaganda noises, like you are now, but no one takes them any more seriously than we do you.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: There are certain negriphobe (if I can resurrect and alter a passe term) whites who make Africans out of Euro invaders who colonized parts of our continent.
They especially regard the white interlopers in southern Africa to be True Africans whereas the Middle Passage descendents aren't at all African in their eyes.
They particularly love to call transposed Euro colonials in the USA as African Americans. But then USA also stands for Union of South Africa.
Would it help if that boy above actually had indigenous Africans among his ancestors? LOLPosts: 26236 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Just edited by Djehuti: ^ So I take it that the guy below, if he moved ot the US, can't proudfully claim and parade as a European American, but a white American can't.
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I don't think most ws.t believers limit the ws.t to subsuming just the U.S., Europe, and Israel.
"Western civilization" is anywhere that has had contact with the ws.t, and has anything considered modern, or advanced, which is attributed to the "west"
regardless of the just how much 'contact' they have had with the ws.t.
'Western civilization' infact appears to be achievement.
Where do the U.S, Europe, and Israel play into all this?
Europe and its progeny are who 'western civilization' ends up being credited to.
Thus the offense that is garnered at the notion the Kem.t could have influenced the ws.t.
Europeans?
They aren't the ws.t. They own it.
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^ Actually another striking thing I should point out is that while many people automatically associate Europe with the 'West', notice how it seems most 'Western' political and historical sources specifically include western European nations only. You don't hear a thing from eastern European nations like Poland, Lithuania, and Ukraine, unless it pertains to the Soviet Union or something. You don't hear much of anything about the Balkans except that World War I started there and Greece of course is hardly ever discussed in a modern context but only in ancient times. In fact one phrase many bougeouis 'western' scholars use is "when Greece was great". So I take it Greece is in the dumps now (?)
PASSING OF THE TORCH DOCTRINE: Claims a chain of cultural transmission from Mesopotamia and Egypt to Greece to Rome to western Europe to the USA, leaving vast gaps where the history of the rest of the world should be. (And the discussion never returns to Egypt or Iraq to consider what happened there after the fall of their ancient empires.) Most of the planet's cultures are discussed only in relation to the European conquest, if mentioned at all. As a result, few people have any idea of the history of Sumatra, Honduras, Niger, Ecuador, Mozambique, Ohio, Hokkaido, Samoa, or even European countries such as Lithuania or Bosnia.
^ Actually it is this very doctrine that holds together this concept of a 'Western' history!
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Know what was annoing? When a certain member would ask what [whomever] contributed to 'western civilization'? As if, it wasn't important unless it was contributed there.
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ So I take it that the guy below, if he moved ot the US, can't proudfully claim and parade as a European American, but a white American can.
No, he would be African American. Or perhaps, African European American.
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quote:Actually another striking thing I should point out is that while many people automatically associate Europe with the 'West', notice how it seems most 'Western' political and historical sources specifically include western European nations only.
The original Easterners, for the advocates of the West were the German 'Hun', because they were the enemy of the American inventors of West. At the moment, German is in the 'west' again.
For the same reasons...Russia also goes back in forth [Orwell's doublespeak again], it is and always has been the West, no... it's not, and never really was, yes it is, no it's not.....
Until we replace Cold War thinking with a new paradigm that envisages Russia as an indispensable part of the West, however, our disagreements will always run the risk of being manipulated into apocalyptic portents.
^ Could just as easily reference Germany, no?
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quote:Originally posted by Willing Thinker {What Box}:
No, he would be African American. Or perhaps, African European American.
This reminds me of this African American lady (I forgot her name) but she is an author and political commentor. She wrote a book recently something like 'The End of Black' or other. In it, she addresses the problems and confusion between those African Americans who have been in the U.S. and those who are recent immigrants. It's hilarious because she claims those descendants of slavery should be called African Americans while the more recent ones should be called African African Americans, despite the repitition fallacy!
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So what is one to make of the long-standing Indian(South Africa and Kenya especially) and Lebanese(all of West Africa) populations in Africa who never refer to themselves as "African" and would be surprised if anyone would suggest otherwise?
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^ Excellent question. Whites are not the only foreigners who've settled Africa and made it their home.
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It's one of the most interesting articles cited on ES.
quote:Originally posted by Calypso: BONES OF CANNIBALS A PALESTINE RIDDLE Wireless to THE NEW YORK TIMES. New York Times 1857; Aug 4, 1932; ProQuest Historical Newspapers The New York Times (1851 - 2003) pg. 21
Negroid people of 5000 B. C. ATE BODIES OF ENEMIES Men, Short of Stature, Burned Bones of Dead After Burial, London Session Hears. TEETH OF WOMEN DRAWN Linking relics to Burnt Skeletons from Ur scientist speculate an old cremation custom.
Seven or eight thousand years ago in what geologist call modern times a race of negroid cannibals lived In Palestine, burned the bones of their dead after burial, and devoured the bodies of their enemies. Skulls and thighbones of this race were unearthed within the last four years, first at Shukbah near Jerusalem and later in caves at Mount Carmel, and because they puzzled the excavators who found them they received the new name “Natufians.”
Today the first authoritative account of them was given by Sir Arthur Keith to the congress of Prehistoric and Protohistoric Sciences and showed them to be one of the greatest riddles of archaeology.
They were clearly a Negroid people, said Sir Arthur, with wide faces flat- noses and long large heads.
They were short of stature 5 feet 3 or 4 inches tall-and their thighs and legs were remarkably strong.
While their arms and shoulders were weak.
Alone Among prehistoric peoples they had a custom of extracting the two upper central incisor teeth of their women.
Jagged holes in the fronts of their skulls indicate that they ate human brains.
They may have been ancestors or the Arabs or Semites of biblical times, in Sir Arthur's opinion.
They had some facial characteristics like those of the Neolithic or late Stone Age men of Malta and the remoter Aurignacian men of Southern Europe.
Natufian remains, it should be remembered, are in no way connected with the more recent discoveries of a new race of fossil men, also in caves, near Mt Carmel. The fossil men, so remarkably different from all others yet found, became extinct in the remotely distant past, while the Natufians may still have been living when the first city-states of Sumeria arose.
Sir Arthur based his conclusions today on twenty comparatively complete skulls of eighty-seven found by Miss Garrod.
Cites Features of Race
“Several features stand out quite definitely'' he asserted; first the Natufians were a long-headed people - they had cap-shaped occiputs (the lower back part of the head).
Secondly, the dimensions or their heads were greater than in the pre-dynastic Egyptians.
Thirdly, their faces were short and wide. Fourthly, they were prognathous (with projecting jaws). Fifthly, their nasal bones were not narrow and high, but formed a wide, low arch.
Sixthly, their chins were not prominent, but were masked by the fullness of the teeth-bearing parts of the jaw.
“The Natufians at Shukbah seem to have practiced cannibalism, for it is only by making this supposition that one can explain the cutting and fracturing of bones. The characters of the cuts and the broken surfaces show the bones were still in a fresh state when the damage was done. I believe the Shukbah people ate human brains.”
The cannibalism theory was strongly disputed by Professor Elliott smith, eminent geologist, who said he was entirely skeptical of it.
Also Professor Smith said it was not uncommon in Egypt to find burned bones in graves.
Professor Smith objected, too, that it was hardly possible that these people had had Negro blood, but Sir Arthur speedily corrected him. By the word Negroid he meant merely Negro-like characteristics such as are found throughout Europe and even in Scandinavia. Sir Arthur drew the inference that the Natufians had carried Aurignacian culture into Palestine after the last glacier age, which was approximately 35000 years ago.
translating the doublespeak: "Look they are negroes, but it's ok, they are cannibal savages.... but, what are they doing in palestine [the holy land of white people!], oh, well, then surely they can't have *negro* blood, regardless of what they look like! Oh, well, I guess that explains it."
Now over 100 years later, also from the New York times:
quote:Invention of Agriculture
By WILLIAM K. STEVENS Published: April 2, 1991
SMALL step for a man, a giant leap for mankind: that's the phrase grandly applied to the first moon landing. But it suits even better an event whose outlines are emerging ever more clearly from the mists of prehistory: the discovery that wild grasses could be deliberately planted, cultivated and harvested as cereals. The earliest archeological sites with evidence of domesticated grain lie in the southern Levant, at the north end of the Dead Sea, and date to about 10,000 years ago.
Why was this time and place the site for one of the most revolutionary events -- along with the first use of fire -- in human prehistory?
According to Dr. Frank Hole and Joy McCorriston, both of Yale University, the planting of grasses as food crops began as a response to two grave challenges that often intervene in human history: climatic change and overexploitation of natural resources.
Their study focused on people belonging to the Natufian culture, named after an archeological site in the Judean hills known as Wadi-al-Natuf. The Natufians just preceded the time span at which domesticated plants begin to appear in the archeological record, and the Yale archeologists believe they were the probable inventors of agriculture in the Near East.
Unlike previous humans, nomads who gathered only intermittently in fixed settlements, Natufians gradually adopted the settled life as a permanent one.
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doublespeak translated: "All hail the great Natufians!
No longer savage cannibals, and thus....no longer Negro.
But please, don't ask us what they looked like.
Please don't ask us where their forebearers came from.
Please don't ask us where their descendants spread to.
Please don't actually think about what this means for WS.T history.
quote:Sir Arthur based his conclusions today on twenty comparatively complete skulls of eighty-seven found by Miss Garrod.
Dorothy Garrod claimed that Natufians represented cross breeding between "negro and cro magnon".
This was in the context of and anthropological status quo that claimed negroes were a new race [the true negro myth].
Diop was the 1st to call out this doublethink.
He asked: How can a crossbreed with negro and cro-magnon occur prior to the existence of the negro race?
Diop actually caught the Eurocentric race discourse in red handed [pun-intended] intellectual duplicity in the service of the sacred ideology of white supremacy via race ideology.
^ Diops observation is taken to it's logical conclusion of debunking of the race discourse by Keita.
Keita asks - how can human diversity be classified into the purebread and the crossbread, if the crossbread precede the purebread?
This problem dogs, the few anthropologist who still play the race game.
They attempt to solve the problem of the late development of European people [and white skin] by claiming all pre European people are generalised moderns - with no 'race'.
Apparently the game of 'race' cannot be allowed to begin until late arriving Europeans are readly to start.
And even after all the doublethink, there is still no anthropology chronology for:
generalised modern,
to pure race, and thence,
to crossbread mixed race.
Said chronology does not exist because the process of *race* itself, does not exist.
There has in human history, always been overlapping lineages and variable phenotype.
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Reiffication -> to regard (something abstract) as a material or concrete thing.
^ ie - the assumption that and idea, once imagined, must exist as a physical reality, simply because it is imagined.
This is also form of ad nauseum fallacy.
Race must be real, because we speak of it. [in double-speak usually]
Racial thinking relies on reiffication, because when tested against physcial reality, its root, and only testable assumptions, collapse.
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RACE is the first thing that came to my mind when I thought : what's reiffication?.
quote:Originally posted by rasol: ^The original Easterners, for the advocates of the West were the German 'Hun', because they were the enemy of the American inventors of West. At the moment, German is in the 'west' again.
For the same reasons...Russia also goes back in forth [Orwell's doublespeak again], it is and always has been the West, no... it's not, and never really was, yes it is, no it's not.....
Until we replace Cold War thinking with a new paradigm that envisages Russia as an indispensable part of the West, however, our disagreements will always run the risk of being manipulated into apocalyptic portents.
^ Could just as easily reference Germany, no?
LOL
quote:Originally posted by rasol: NATUFIAN AND DOUBLESPEAK:
The 1st piece was originally posted by Calypso.
It's one of the most interesting articles cited on ES.
translating the doublespeak: "Look they are negroes, but it's ok, they are cannibal savages.... but, what are they doing in palestine [the holy land of white people!], oh, well, then surely they can't have *negro* blood, regardless of what they look like! Oh, well, I guess that explains it."
Now over 100 years later, also from the New York times:
quote:Invention of Agriculture
By WILLIAM K. STEVENS Published: April 2, 1991
SMALL step for a man, a giant leap for mankind: that's the phrase grandly applied to the first moon landing. But it suits even better an event whose outlines are emerging ever more clearly from the mists of prehistory: the discovery that wild grasses could be deliberately planted, cultivated and harvested as cereals. The earliest archeological sites with evidence of domesticated grain lie in the southern Levant, at the north end of the Dead Sea, and date to about 10,000 years ago.
Why was this time and place the site for one of the most revolutionary events -- along with the first use of fire -- in human prehistory?
According to Dr. Frank Hole and Joy McCorriston, both of Yale University, the planting of grasses as food crops began as a response to two grave challenges that often intervene in human history: climatic change and overexploitation of natural resources.
Their study focused on people belonging to the Natufian culture, named after an archeological site in the Judean hills known as Wadi-al-Natuf. The Natufians just preceded the time span at which domesticated plants begin to appear in the archeological record, and the Yale archeologists believe they were the probable inventors of agriculture in the Near East.
Unlike previous humans, nomads who gathered only intermittently in fixed settlements, Natufians gradually adopted the settled life as a permanent one.
^
doublespeak translated: "All hail the great Natufians!
No longer savage cannibals, and thus....no longer Negro.
But please, don't ask us what they looked like.
Please don't ask us where their forebearers came from.
Please don't ask us where their descendants spread to.
***Please don't actually think about what this means for WS.T history.***
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Going by your definition of what 'ad nauseum fallacy' means, doesn't the concept apply to just about any group belief? When we talk about 'Our Great Culture', 'our one true religion', our valiant nation', etc, is that not just the repetition of a notion(lie?) until a particular group believes/believes in it? Just wondering...
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I've been to David Livingstone's site before. TheDyingGod: The Hidden History of Western Civilization looks like an interesting book.
I always found it to be strange and ironic that the Ancient Greeks are credited as being the architects of "Western" Civilization when Greece is at the extreme Southeast edge of the "European continent" (another dubious concept).
The racial purity of "Western" culture is of imminent importance to Eurocentrists and White Supremacists. This is part of the denial of the fact that the Ancient Egyptians were Black Africans because many Ancient Greek historians credited Egypt with having a substantial cultural impact on their civilization.
It is said that Freemasonry, of which many of America's Founding Fathers are alleged to have been members, was influenced by the Occult traditions of secret societies dating back to the Ancient Egyptian Mystery Schools.
Interest in the racial characteristics of the Ancient Egyptians is rooted in 19th century Egyptomania in which many "Western" scholars marveled at the amazing contributions of the Ancient Egyptians to the arts and sciences and viewed them as a model for their own societies.
Ofcourse when they saw their depictions of art and were faced with clear evidence that the Ancient Egyptians were Black some White scholars were forced to rethink their racial views, as at the time it was argued that non-Whites were separate inferior species of men. While some men like Count Constatin De Volney accepted the evidence before them others like Samuel Morton sought to prove that the Ancient Egyptians were not Black and perverted the history of Egypt by portraying it as an ancient White Supremacist nation-state in which Caucasian Pharaohs ruled over their Negro slaves.
Concerns over miscegenation in the 19th century led to the teaching that the admixture of Semites and Negroids led to the destruction of Ancient Egyptian civilization and that if America freed it slaves and allowed them to assimilate into society the same would happen in their time period. To this day White Supremacists argue that they are trying to defend "Western" Civilization from the inferior non-White hordes who's influence on society is destined to lead to civilization's decline and point to Ancient Egypt as a lesson for what their fate could be if they embrace Multiculturalism.
In reality there is no Western Civilization. European societies have Multicultural origins and influences and each country that has been labeled Western has its own unique history. The very concept of a Western Civilization is inherently racist and should be rejected by modern academia.
Has anyone here read Livington's book? I am eager to read a book that dissects the historical concept of Western Civilization and reveals the unsettling truths of its racist and occultist origins.
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quote:The leading Robber Barrons were John D. Rockefeller and Andrew Carnigie, who in turn were acting on behalf of the powerful Rothischilds in London.
This must be one of your rare moments of lucidity Rasolwoitz. I took you for a straight up Judeophile.
quote:Originally posted by Mystery Solver: the notorious Nazi spin-doctor doesn't make this fact any blunter when he says:
"If you repeat a lie often enough, it will be accepted as truth." - Josef Goebbels, Propaganda Minister for Hitler.
Yeh, like six million Jews died in Nazi gas chambers.
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^ No, more like the denial that six million Jews were murdered in general by Nazis. But who would make such a denial but modern day Nazis in disguise like the thong panties under your trousers. Posts: 26236 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: that six million Jews were murdered in general by Nazis.
This has never been proven, but: "If you repeat a lie often enough, it will be accepted as truth."Posts: 4165 | From: jamaica | Registered: May 2008
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I posted this article in another forum, and this is the response that I got:
"In the case of the West, to justify your postulation you have chosen to disregard the movements of people of European descent to America, New Zealand, Australia, and you shouted "Eureka" for having found no substantiation to the cultural affinities of these people and the alliances of their choice in writings preceding these movements, looking for the living among the dead as it is!."
What would you say to the above, the fool still believes that the "West" is a valid term.
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quote:assopen whines: This has never been proven, but: "If you repeat a lie often enough, it will be accepted as truth."
Actually it has been proven via virtually *all* Nazi records. But you are only partially right about a lie repeated enough being accepted as truth-- for its acceptance is only by idiots like you.
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quote:Originally posted by rasol: "Western civilisiation" is a good example of ad nauseum fallacy - the notion that propaganda does not need to logically demonstrate a truth, but merely to repeat a lie, until passive minded people repeat after it.
How many people who use this term, understand that before the late 19th century - there is no reference to 'western civilization' whatsover, anywhere, in the world, not in Europe, nor anywhere else.
Not in ancient Greece, or Rome, not in Moorish Europe, or colonial America, nor Victorian England.
No western civilisation....
Most interesting...
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quote:assopen whines: This has never been proven, but: "If you repeat a lie often enough, it will be accepted as truth."
Actually it has been proven via virtually *all* Nazi records. But you are only partially right about a lie repeated enough being accepted as truth-- for its acceptance is only by idiots like you.
LOL @ the gullible phlipoo spam queen. This is the same quack "scientific" method that got Ausarinstein into trouble. Piles of documents by themselves does not "prove" that six million Jews were gassed or murdered by the Nazis. I guess it would come as a surprise to a little pro-Zionist ignoramus that the Nazi regime, like all regimes, kept files. But this by itself is not proof of anything. In fact your webpage doesn't even try to connect the files with the magic number. It, like Ausarianstein's MSNBC "source", just says the documents have been released and repeats the lie "Six million Jews died in the Holocaust". This is because unsuspecting dumbasses like you will not bother to check and see if there is any correlation between the documents and the six million claim.
Quit now Mary or you will end humiliated like Ausarianstein.
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