Findings say Egyptian writing must have developed in proto form in Mesopotamia because it showed no gradual development.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Actually the article says the opposite, that these tags could be evidence for the local development of Egyptian writing. In fact later articles and research said just that.
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
^Correct. In fact this finding made it clear that writing was probably first developed in Egypt instead of Mesopotamia.
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Posted by DevilNegrokiller_Wolofi (Member # 15898) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Actually the article says the opposite, that these tags could be evidence for the local development of Egyptian writing. In fact later articles and research said just that.
I don't see what you mean look here:
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Because Egypt provides yet no indication of any antecedents to writing, it was logical to assume that phonetic writing leap-frogged from Mesopotamnia to Egypt about 3100 B.C.. The borrowing was supported by the fact that the Egyptian rebus principle was identical to that of Mesopotamia and therefore seemed to be connected. Furthermore, there is evidence for a strong Mesopotamian influence in Egypt in the late fourth millennium B.C.. This is attested by the presence of typical Mesopotamian features of various nature. For example, a certain style of monumental architecture, the use of cylinder seals, specific decorative patterns featuring intertwined fantastic animals, and even the actual representation of the Mesopotamian Priest-king displayed with his unique status symbols. Because the reverse is not true, namely there is no trace of an Egyptian presence in Mesopotamia at that time, all seems to point to a flow of ideas from Mesopotamia to Egypt.
The bone and ivory tags discovered at Abydos also documented the quantity and geographic origin of particular commodities. The labels, originally attached to boxes or containers, had the names of places and institutions involved in the exchange of such goods as grain and fabrics. The older clay seal impressions and ink inscriptions also indicate the origins of different commodities. Such records, says Dreyer, "provide valuable information concerning political organization and resource distribution in predynastic Upper Egypt."
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Finally some material of interest. Seems like this wolofi guy is DJ. He cannot read and understand. Some key points are highlighted.
In a nutshell the conclusion is that the findings at Abydos is a pre-cursor to later AE writing system. The OLD belief was AE glyphs came from Mesopotamia this finding suggest they seemed to have found the key to early ie indigenous, development of AE glyphs.
You Vets should break it down for the man. Or at least ask him to re-read and re-read and re-read. LOL
=================================== Institute director Günter Dreyer says the tags and ink-inscribed pottery vessels have been dated to 3200 B.C. based upon contextual and radiocarbon analysis. The seal impressions, from various tombs, date even further back, to 3400 B.C. These dates challenge the commonly held belief that early logographs, pictographic symbols representing a specific place, object, or quantity, first evolved into more complex phonetic symbols in Mesopotamia
Denise Schmandt-Besserat, Professor at the University of Texas at Austin, ****explains as follows the reasons why it is now held**** that writing spread from Mesopotamia to Egypt.
Because Egypt provides yet no indication of any antecedents to writing, it***** was***** logical to assume that phonetic writing leap-frogged from Mesopotamnia to Egypt about 3100 B.C
The Abydos hieroglyphs are ****simple precursors to the complex hieroglyphic forms discovered at later sites such as Metjen and Turin*****.
Finally, it will be of great interest to resolve whether the Egyptian and Sumerian scripts came about independently, or if, after all, they had ties Posted by Alive-(What Box) (Member # 10819) on :
Good post.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Seems like this wolofi guy is DJ.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Funny how human nature is. You have been wondering about the Bros identity. Should it matter? Even WE concious ones cannot take a man at his word but instead try to associate an "identity/look" to him to make a judgement.
remember when Africa I started that stupid thread about "downtown African" , so many of us came down on him for that.
Listen to what the bro has to say rather than to pin a lable on him
Posted by Red,White, and Blue + Christian (Member # 10893) on :
The precursor to Ancient Egyptian writing was the vast amount of Rock Art found in the Sahara
Or were you just highlighting xyzdummy contradicting himself?
Posted by Alive-(What Box) (Member # 10819) on :
^I just had a good laugh: it's the latter.
Also, this whole thing should have shown us that you really don't know. Because of that point, I agree with his latter point, and yours about the a-gang (who started all this personal trolling/queer calling at certain ES posters in the first place) shaping up or shipping out.
quote:Originally posted by Red,White, and Blue + Christian: The precursor to Ancient Egyptian writing was the vast amount of Rock Art found in the Sahara
This seems to have been the case.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
This topic (like many we get around here) has also been beaten to death many times. There are proto-hieroglyphs in Lower 'Nubia', specifically in Sayalah and Qustul which pre-date Sumerian cunieform. So there you go.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
End of debate. Thanks
quote:Originally posted by Red,White, and Blue + Christian: The precursor to Ancient Egyptian writing was the vast amount of Rock Art found in the Sahara
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