All of these Videos are from Saudi and none of them is of Real Arabs trust me none of those were arabs and i bet none of them have Saudi Passports. There are alot of Blacks in Saudi they over populate the real people of Saudi. The first video is not from Oman. Dont get me wrong there are alot of Arabs who have AFrican mothers and fathers the Arab is so mixed its crazy.
I hope u dont think that AFricans and African-Americans have a monopoly on the Blackskin
Posted by AbuAnu (Member # 16410) on :
Another thing there are arabs of darkskin mostly in Oman,Yemen,Saudi but if u ask these darkskinned arabs about there lineages its not always Just Arab
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
quote:Originally posted by AbuAnu:
I hope u dont think that AFricans and African-Americans have a monopoly on the Blackskin
Monopoly? Whatever that means. One thing is for sure, "black skin" in modern humans is of African origin.
Posted by Narmer Menes (Member # 16122) on :
quote:Originally posted by AbuAnu: All of these Videos are from Saudi and none of them is of Real Arabs trust me none of those were arabs and i bet none of them have Saudi Passports. There are alot of Blacks in Saudi they over populate the real people of Saudi. The first video is not from Oman. Dont get me wrong there are alot of Arabs who have AFrican mothers and fathers the Arab is so mixed its crazy.
I hope u dont think that AFricans and African-Americans have a monopoly on the Blackskin
There are loads of Black Arab's in the middle East with passports. Not just Arab's with one African parent, but Arab's with 2 black parents and are considered citizens, ie. Black Saudi's, Black Emiratis, Black Qatari's, Black Palestinians, Black Lebanese, Black Omani's who have been in the arabia's for centuries, if not millenia... all are common... so your point of view is obviously not from directly visiting or living in the middle East, otherwise you would know this as it is common knowledge.
The only debate lies in whether or not these people are indigenous or patriated (word?) slaves. Arab custom favours the latter explanation, but this has not stopped these 'black Arab's' being endowed with the same privilege's as the 'indigenous'... including a passport.
Also, your first point contradicts your second one? First, you say that there is no such thing as a black Arab, then you say, not all 'blacks' are African... so which point of view do you represent?
Posted by Novel (Member # 14348) on :
quote:The only debate lies in whether or not these people are indigenous or patriated (word?) slaves. Arab custom favours the latter explanation, but this has not stopped these 'black Arab's' being endowed with the same privilege's as the 'indigenous'... including a passport.
Should pale skinned Arabs with light colored eyes; blues or greens, and light hair also be considered as the descendants of emancipated slaves?
Is the hook nosed and darker hued Arab also a descendant of slaves, considering the Pre-Islamic Arabs kept other Arabs as slaves?
Ethiopians also had Arabs as slaves. Does that make the Arab a slave race because of those few unfortunate individuals. (Asked in mocking fashion.)
During the heyday of the slave industry, encountering the wrong groups of men at the wrong places could very likely have any ethnicity of persons soon chained and sold as a slave at some marketplace or to a private individual.
Slavery is not the purview, sole experience of blacks. Slavery is a business which turned people regardless of ethnicity into commodities.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Pale skin Arabs are not real Arabs. They are turkish settlers who have araabized, multiplied and today are hell bent on appropriating the history of the glorious black Arabs.
Those black men in the Youtube video my dear Abuani are Arabs. They are your E3B and J1 and J2s. They are the ancient Black Arabs of Arabia.
Accept the evidence of your own eyes.
Posted by AbuAnu (Member # 16410) on :
Ironlion Turks are not arabs they are turks speak a language called turkish. I guess then All Northern Sudanese and Egyptians as well as Northern Africa excluding Berbers are Arabs.
if u see the video i can tell u who is arab and who is not and who is saudi and who is not i have lived there almost my whole life one side of my family has been in Saudi since beggining of KIng Faisal
Posted by Narmer Menes (Member # 16122) on :
quote:Originally posted by Novel:
quote:The only debate lies in whether or not these people are indigenous or patriated (word?) slaves. Arab custom favours the latter explanation, but this has not stopped these 'black Arab's' being endowed with the same privilege's as the 'indigenous'... including a passport.
Should pale skinned Arabs with light colored eyes; blues or greens, and light hair also be considered as the descendants of emancipated slaves?
Is the hook nosed and darker hued Arab also a descendant of slaves, considering the Pre-Islamic Arabs kept other Arabs as slaves?
Ethiopians also had Arabs as slaves. Does that make the Arab a slave race because of those few unfortunate individuals. (Asked in mocking fashion.)
During the heyday of the slave industry, encountering the wrong groups of men at the wrong places could very likely have any ethnicity of persons soon chained and sold as a slave at some marketplace or to a private individual.
Slavery is not the purview, sole experience of blacks. Slavery is a business which turned people regardless of ethnicity into commodities.
Agreed. However, I don't control ''arab'' custom.
Posted by Narmer Menes (Member # 16122) on :
quote:Originally posted by AbuAnu: if u see the video i can tell u who is arab and who is not and who is saudi and who is not i have lived there almost my whole life one side of my family has been in Saudi since beggining of KIng Faisal
AbuAnu, I watched the first video, and it could have been filmed in Qatar, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Oman or KSA... there is no definitive feautre of these people that makes this video particularly Saudi. The attire worn by these Arab's is common across these parts, and unless you recognise the actual construct in which the event is being held, your view, at best, is an educated guess. There is nothing to distinguish the people or customs being practised in this video or make it distinctly Saudi, if there is, please point it out...
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by AbuAnu: Ironlion Turks are not arabs they are turks speak a language called turkish. I guess then All Northern Sudanese and Egyptians as well as Northern Africa excluding Berbers are Arabs.
if u see the video i can tell u who is arab and who is not and who is saudi and who is not i have lived there almost my whole life one side of my family has been in Saudi since beggining of KIng Faisal
My dear Abuani
You are too unqualified, too ideologically motivated to argue about who is Arab or not. I said the Turks are now the pale Arabized of the Arabian Peninsula.
You lived in Saudi all your life? Me too!
You have seen those black Arabs before, well how come you never informed us? How come you keep on lying your forked tounge out about who is Arab or not?
I know you Arabized hordes...who are corpulent with greed over the achievement of other peoples.
Do you recall the Banu Sulaym of Saudi? Do you know the Banu Hassan of Yemen? They are undsiputably black people. They are also the most original of all the Arab tribes.
The real and original Arabs are Black people. See them dance to their traditional music, their traditional moves and see them in their orignal Arabic national clothes. Now you see it, you cannot deny this.
Now you know that Haplogroup J1, J2, and E3B all your goddamn so called West Asian genes are really possessed by human beings with Black Phenotype.
Down with all your childish lies.
Lion!
Posted by markellion (Member # 14131) on :
In Turkey people of African descent are referred to as Arabs!
"The Afro-Turks - The Africans of Turkey"
quote: Afro-Turks are often called “Arabs” in Turkey. They also refer to themselves as Arabs, at times. This has led to a situation in which “Arab” means “black.” Ege University Professor Ahmet Yürür explains. “For the Turks, Africa was only the northern part of the continent: from Egypt to Morocco. This part was of course under Arab influence. Turks were never really interested in the south of the continent. This is why this community has come to be called ‘Arab,’” he says.
quote:Originally posted by markellion: In Turkey people of African descent are referred to as Arabs! [QUOTE]
And in Arabia, those arabized Turks defame the real Arabs by refering to them as slaves or black skinned Turks just like Abuani disingeniously tried to do...
Posted by AbuAnu (Member # 16410) on :
I understand where all of u are coming from but u must understand arab culture. First and formost no arab bedouin will ever tell u he is Bidan/White no the contrary because in arab culture the most beautiful eyes are black, the most beautiful camel is the black one, the most beautiful date is the black one, the most beautiful rock is the kaaba because it is black. Black is revered highly in Arab culture. If u go 2 arab culture Habashi/Northern Ethiopians/Eritreans are considered Arabs as well as Northern Sudan but most of u all would probably say No sudanese are not arabs as well as many southern egyptians who claim they are arab even egypt as a whole Come on Its called the Arab Republic of Egypt not the Turkish. Turkish have always treated arabs and africans the same because they have always thought of them selves as better than both of them look at the history of turkish egyptian sudan.
Posted by markellion (Member # 14131) on :
Arabs were enslaving Turks for countless centuries...
About Egypt I posted this before but I thought this was interesting:
quote: Up until the 19th century, and in the centuries previous, European visitors to Egypt commonly contrasted the dark brown, half-naked and indigenous Fellaheen agriculturalists with the fair or pale-complexioned Turkish-originated population of Egypt dressed in robes and furs that had entered the country in large numbers. Today most natives of the United Arab Republic of Eygpt consider themselves (thanks to European colonials) representative of the indigenous people of ancient Egypt . However, it is clear that less than a century ago this was not the case. Most of the agriculturalists in Egypt had absorbed for centuries the incoming Bedouins of the Arabian peninsula who were according to most accounts dark or brown and the same color as the indigenous Egyptians, as well as large numbers of slaves in early days from Asia and later mostly African and Slavic slaves. Descendants of Byzantines made up a significant number of the early Copts during the Muslim era. On the other hand Turks in the 18th through 20th centuries made up a rather significant portion of Egypt major cities and their descendants remain representative of the upper class of Egypt as well as other regions of North Africa.
Interesting despite ethnic tensions in Turkey there isn't much prejudice against Afro-Turks.
Posted by AbuAnu (Member # 16410) on :
markellion thanks for the info u are right about egypt as i am an egyptian u brought up some good points about slavic in arab culture the most deemed slaves were the red ethiopians, and whites probably slavs i have an old book in arabic about Tariq al Arab the history of the arabs written by a Sudanese. He explains the relationship between Arabs and africans in a very unique way.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
In medieval Arabia, a red person is what we would understand today as a pale skin person.
Called red due to their red skin when the sun gets hot. Compare with our more popular "red necks," "red hairs". Compare with "Eric the red", "scarlet cheeks of the European lass", red lips of the northern pale women, and the redness of the eye in photographs.
Abuani, no black maan was described as a red in arabic.
No Arab would call himself red.
In Arabic, an Arab could be "green" or brown. Green is a metaphor for very dark skinned people. Brown could be the sandy colour of most West Africans, East Africans, and any true Arab like the ones dancing in the Youtube post.
Problem with you Omani nomads is that you are barely literate in English, and barely functional in Arabic.
No
Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: In medieval Arabia, a red person is what we would understand today as a pale skin person.
Called red due to their red skin when the sun gets hot. Compare with our more popular "red necks," "red hairs". Compare with "Eric the red", "scarlet cheeks of the European lass", red lips of the northern pale women, and the redness of the eye in photographs.
Abuani, no black maan was described as a red in arabic.
No Arab would call himself red.
In Arabic, an Arab could be "green" or brown. Green is a metaphor for very dark skinned people. Brown could be the sandy colour of most West Africans, East Africans, and any true Arab like the ones dancing in the Youtube post.
Problem with you Omani nomads is that you are barely literate in English, and barely functional in Arabic.
No
I dont think Abuani is saying the original Arabs were Red or that the Arabs called themselves Red....but that the Arabs saw themselves as black BUT ARAB FIRST meaning NON AFRICAN. Read his posts you are attacking him for no reason.
This was noted by Al-Jahiz al Basra that the Arabs saw themselves closer to blacks until Islam they began to see themselves as superior to Black Africans.
Posted by AbuAnu (Member # 16410) on :
Risalat mufakharat al-sudan 'ala al-bidan Kitab al-Bayan wa al-Tabyin
I have these Two books in Arabic by Al-Jahiz and u should read it IronLion.
My Brother IronLion no disrespect but u cant just pull up a video and claim something u dont know about i use 2 live there and do those same dance dress the same way my older brother has danced 4 the kings so u think he was arab but he is not neither am i. U dont even know those guys 2 even say they are arab.
Posted by MindoverMatter718 (Member # 15400) on :
^^Yes, but specifically explain why...
Posted by Narmer Menes (Member # 16122) on :
quote:Originally posted by AbuAnu: Risalat mufakharat al-sudan 'ala al-bidan Kitab al-Bayan wa al-Tabyin
I have these Two books in Arabic by Al-Jahiz and u should read it IronLion.
My Brother IronLion no disrespect but u cant just pull up a video and claim something u dont know about i use 2 live there and do those same dance dress the same way my older brother has danced 4 the kings so u think he was arab but he is not neither am i. U dont even know those guys 2 even say they are arab.
You still haven't qualified what makes them NOT arab though. I would say the burden of evidence is on you... Also, what makes this a 'Saudi' video, and what makes you so sure that 'Blacks' cannot be arab... you have failed to qualify a single statement yet...
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: In medieval Arabia, a red person is what we would understand today as a pale skin person.
Called red due to their red skin when the sun gets hot. Compare with our more popular "red necks," "red hairs". Compare with "Eric the red", "scarlet cheeks of the European lass", red lips of the northern pale women, and the redness of the eye in photographs.
Abuani, no black maan was described as a red in arabic.
No Arab would call himself red.
In Arabic, an Arab could be "green" or brown. Green is a metaphor for very dark skinned people. Brown could be the sandy colour of most West Africans, East Africans, and any true Arab like the ones dancing in the Youtube post.
Problem with you Omani nomads is that you are barely literate in English, and barely functional in Arabic.
No
I dont think Abuani is saying the original Arabs were Red or that the Arabs called themselves Red....but that the Arabs saw themselves as black BUT ARAB FIRST meaning NON AFRICAN. Read his posts you are attacking him for no reason.
This was noted by Al-Jahiz al Basra that the Arabs saw themselves closer to blacks until Islam they began to see themselves as superior to Black Africans.
Dear
Please save me the explications next time. Abuani can speak for himself.
IronLion
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by AbuAnu: Risalat mufakharat al-sudan 'ala al-bidan Kitab al-Bayan wa al-Tabyin
I have these Two books in Arabic by Al-Jahiz and u should read it IronLion.
My Brother IronLion no disrespect but u cant just pull up a video and claim something u dont know about i use 2 live there and do those same dance dress the same way my older brother has danced 4 the kings so u think he was arab but he is not neither am i. U dont even know those guys 2 even say they are arab.
On the contrary lil bro, you need to learn to read properly. You need to use your eyes and your god-given mind like a man.
Now, tell me again how those Black Arabs in the video are not "arab". Sources will be appreciated.
Lion!
Posted by Ausaru (Member # 16446) on :
U KNOW WHAT ITS KOOL I DONT WANT 2 GET INTO NO ARGUMENT OVER SOMETHING THAT IS SO BASIC AND EASY NON OF U ARE ARAB AND NONE OF U BEEN 2 ARAB COUNTRY IN UR LIFE.
THE FIRST VIDEO THAT SAYS OMAN IS WRONG IF U COULD READ ARABIC ITS ALBISHA SAUDI ARABIA AND ALL ARABS DONT DRESS THE SAME THEY HAVE THERE DISTINCT DRESS IT MIGHT LOOK THE SAME 2 A KNOWNOT AND THEY DONT ALL DANCE THE SAME.
IM NOT SAYING THERE IS NO ASMAR,ASWAD ARAB WHAT IM SAYING IS U HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHO THOSE GUYS ARE SO SHUT UP BEFORE U ASSUME ****. THERE IS ALOT OF AFRICANS IN ARABIA THAT WOULD KICK UR ASS FOR CALLING THEM ARAB. THERE ARE ALSO ALOT OF BLACK ARABS WHO WOULD KICK UR ASS FOR CALLING THEM BLACK AFRICANS
Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
Ausaru or Jari-Ankhamun what is a "Black African"?
Posted by Narmer Menes (Member # 16122) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ausaru: U KNOW WHAT ITS KOOL I DONT WANT 2 GET INTO NO ARGUMENT OVER SOMETHING THAT IS SO BASIC AND EASY NON OF U ARE ARAB AND NONE OF U BEEN 2 ARAB COUNTRY IN UR LIFE.
THE FIRST VIDEO THAT SAYS OMAN IS WRONG IF U COULD READ ARABIC ITS ALBISHA SAUDI ARABIA AND ALL ARABS DONT DRESS THE SAME THEY HAVE THERE DISTINCT DRESS IT MIGHT LOOK THE SAME 2 A KNOWNOT AND THEY DONT ALL DANCE THE SAME.
IM NOT SAYING THERE IS NO ASMAR,ASWAD ARAB WHAT IM SAYING IS U HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHO THOSE GUYS ARE SO SHUT UP BEFORE U ASSUME ****. THERE IS ALOT OF AFRICANS IN ARABIA THAT WOULD KICK UR ASS FOR CALLING THEM ARAB. THERE ARE ALSO ALOT OF BLACK ARABS WHO WOULD KICK UR ASS FOR CALLING THEM BLACK AFRICANS
I live right next door to KSA and was speaking to a Black Arab (at length) 4 days ago whilst we were getting our cars washed. I shared a lift today with at least 2 native black Arab's in Hamad Hospital. Not Sudani's, not African's but native black Arabs (who, as you assert, may take offense to being called otherwise).
So, I'd say I'm probably more qualified than most to share an opinion on this matter since I actually see these people on a daily basis, and on occasion have direct conversation with them. As such it really irks me when other's give the impression that they don't exist.
Posted by Ausaru (Member # 16446) on :
WHO TOLD U THERE ARE NO DARKSKINNED ARABS DID I SAY THAT DID ABUANU SAY THAT NO WHAT U DONT UNDERSTAND IS U CANT JUST CALL SOME DARKSKINNED PERSON U SEE IN SAUDI A BLACK ARAB SOME WOULD TAKE OFFENCE 2 THAT THEY ARE JUST ARAB.
I HATE WHEN PEOPLE SAY THAT HE IS A BLACK ARAB NO U IDIOT HE IS JUST ARAB THEY COME IN ALL DIFFERENT SHADES ARE U HAPPY.
U ALL ARE CRAZY IS THERE A BLACK CHINESE, A BLACK RUSSIAN, A BLACK MALAYSIAN, HOLD ON WAIT IM A BLACK EGYPTIAN HAHAHAH NO BITCHS IM JUST EGYPTIAN.
I HATE WHEN IDIOTS TRY TO BRING THIS SKIN COLOR **** LIKE ITS A DUTY OF URS 2 TELL ME HOW BLACK I AM AND HOW I AM A BLACK EGYPTIAN OR HEY U ARE A BLACK ARAB NO THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A WHITE ARAB, BLACK ARAB, OR ANY BULLSHIT U TALKING ABOUT.
WHEN I WAS IN SAUDI I NEVER SAID HEY HE IS A BLACK ARAB NO HE IS A BLACK LEBANESE OR NO THERE HE IS A BLACK PERSIAN.
PLEASE STOP LABELING PEOPLE LIKE THAT THAT **** GETS ON MY NERVES THEY ARE JUST ARABS OK SHUT UP
Posted by Ausaru (Member # 16446) on :
argyle104 why dont u tell me what is a black african english is not my languge and my people never use this type of terms nor do i even want 2 get into any European Racial Bigotry.
Frankly my Opinion is that WE Africans have nothing 2 do with color lines that Europeans and AFrican-Americans go crazy with u created that **** i dont have nothing 2 do with it in my Mother language we have no bad word for someone who is darkskinned and we dont have any word denoting White Beja, or Black Beja Sorry we only Call u what u are If u are Free u are Beja if u pay tax u are Serf period.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ausaru: argyle104 why dont u tell me what is a black african english is not my languge and my people never use this type of terms nor do i even want 2 get into any European Racial Bigotry.
Frankly my Opinion is that WE Africans have nothing 2 do with color lines that Europeans and AFrican-Americans go crazy with u created that **** i dont have nothing 2 do with it in my Mother language we have no bad word for someone who is darkskinned and we dont have any word denoting White Beja, or Black Beja Sorry we only Call u what u are If u are Free u are Beja if u pay tax u are Serf period.
But you lil Kurdish/Turkish Arabized always give the impression that your pale arses represented the true and original hides of the Arabs.
Now you are outed by a You-Tube posting and you are jabbering about black not this... and black that...lol!
Listen up bwoy, inspite of your delicate semantics, and nuances of political correctness, a black man in Africa or Arabia is the original owner of those two pieces of land. Aboriginal Black man of Afriasia!
There was Kush in Arabia since the beginning of light. There was Arabia in Kush. Both of them were black as the night and magnificient!
Those men you see there without doubt are the descendants of Himyar, Kedar, and Ishmael the dusky ones.
bwahahahaha
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^^
Excuse me??
Lion!
Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
Ausaru wrote: --------------------------- my people never use this type of terms nor do i even want 2 get into any European Racial Bigotry. ---------------------------
No arguement here.
Posted by Yonis2 (Member # 11348) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ausaru: WHO TOLD U THERE ARE NO DARKSKINNED ARABS DID I SAY THAT DID ABUANU SAY THAT NO WHAT U DONT UNDERSTAND IS U CANT JUST CALL SOME DARKSKINNED PERSON U SEE IN SAUDI A BLACK ARAB SOME WOULD TAKE OFFENCE 2 THAT THEY ARE JUST ARAB.
I HATE WHEN PEOPLE SAY THAT HE IS A BLACK ARAB NO U IDIOT HE IS JUST ARAB THEY COME IN ALL DIFFERENT SHADES ARE U HAPPY.
U ALL ARE CRAZY IS THERE A BLACK CHINESE, A BLACK RUSSIAN, A BLACK MALAYSIAN, HOLD ON WAIT IM A BLACK EGYPTIAN HAHAHAH NO BITCHS IM JUST EGYPTIAN.
I HATE WHEN IDIOTS TRY TO BRING THIS SKIN COLOR **** LIKE ITS A DUTY OF URS 2 TELL ME HOW BLACK I AM AND HOW I AM A BLACK EGYPTIAN OR HEY U ARE A BLACK ARAB NO THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A WHITE ARAB, BLACK ARAB, OR ANY BULLSHIT U TALKING ABOUT.
WHEN I WAS IN SAUDI I NEVER SAID HEY HE IS A BLACK ARAB NO HE IS A BLACK LEBANESE OR NO THERE HE IS A BLACK PERSIAN.
PLEASE STOP LABELING PEOPLE LIKE THAT THAT **** GETS ON MY NERVES THEY ARE JUST ARABS OK SHUT UP
I agree! The term "black" has never been my cup of tea, but as you have noticed it's very precious to some here.
Posted by AbuAnu (Member # 16410) on :
IronLion my brother come on so are u going to call a darkskinned Mexican a blackmexican no he is mexican and yes there are mexicans who have the same complexion as africans but that does not make them what u think blackmexican no they are just mexican.
Look let me give u an example i live in America and all my American friends who are Europeans they say i am not African because i dont look african thats kool they are doing 2 me what u are doing 2 those men on that video u are making assumptions without haveing clear facts Now I apologize if i came off harsh and said No those are not Arabs What im trying 2 say is Yeah Maybe Alot of those were arabs but there is a possibility that they are not im not saying that arabs are not africans i dont even adhere 2 the middle east label those are just some more Africans.
I hope u dont think im trying 2 push africa away from arabia but im just saying there are non arabs who dress the same way and speak arabic for instance 2 of my bestfriends one is eritrean the other is algerian and they both speak arabic like arabs they even wear the same close as those arabs u uploaded but they are both non-arabs even the algerian he is a Berber and Proud of it.
Posted by akoben (Member # 15244) on :
Black Arabid Yonis and his Europid lady.
Posted by Freehand (Member # 10819) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ausaru: HAHAHAH NO BITCHS IM JUST EGYPTIAN.
Posted by Sundjata (Member # 13096) on :
This is a weird argument. Who cares what non-Africans consider themselves?
Posted by Ausaru (Member # 16446) on :
Since i have been in america there is a big problem and clash between AFrocentrics, and Eurocentrics and they are banging heads and corrupted,distorted,emotionally incapable,spiritually frustrated,and so caught up IN Claiming Others Past Histories as there own and claiming One 2 be Caucasian another 2 be Sub-Saharan.
WE Need 2 write own History as AFricans and GEt the Hell Away from U Eurocentrics,AFrocentrics, and all EDUCATED FOOOLS.
Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
Ausaru wrote: ------------------------------ WE Need 2 write own History as AFricans and GEt the Hell Away from U Eurocentrics,AFrocentrics, and all EDUCATED FOOOLS. ------------------------------
What is an Afrocentric?
Posted by Narmer Menes (Member # 16122) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ausaru: WHO TOLD U THERE ARE NO DARKSKINNED ARABS DID I SAY THAT DID ABUANU SAY THAT NO
quote:Originally posted by AbuAnu: All of these Videos are from Saudi and none of them is of Real Arabs trust me none of those were arabs and i bet none of them have Saudi Passports. There are alot of Blacks in Saudi they over populate the real people of Saudi. The first video is not from Oman. Dont get me wrong there are alot of Arabs who have AFrican mothers and fathers the Arab is so mixed its crazy.
That said on the basis that they were ''darkskinned''
quote:Originally posted by Ausaru: I HATE WHEN PEOPLE SAY THAT HE IS A BLACK ARAB NO U IDIOT HE IS JUST ARAB THEY COME IN ALL DIFFERENT SHADES ARE U HAPPY.
quote:Originally posted by Ausaru: THERE ARE ALSO ALOT OF BLACK ARABS WHO WOULD KICK UR ASS FOR CALLING THEM BLACK AFRICANS
If you want to continue contradicting yourself and each other, go ahead. Its the usual irrational argument I hear from Native Egyptians who want to be both indigenous, descendants of the ancients, greek and arab all at the same time. Venting EMOTIONS IN UPPER CASE over the Internet doesn't make your argument appear intelligent. The question is, are the people in the video Arab or not, because AbuAnu is arguing that there is NO possibility that they are Arab.
You can't suddenly become aracial (word?) at the convenience of your argument. This thread would not have descended into a debate had AbuAnu not made the ridiculous claims that the people weren't Arab's based on their skin colour. So in defending him, you're contradicting yourself.... again.
Posted by Narmer Menes (Member # 16122) on :
quote:Originally posted by Yonis2:
quote:Originally posted by Ausaru: WHO TOLD U THERE ARE NO DARKSKINNED ARABS DID I SAY THAT DID ABUANU SAY THAT NO WHAT U DONT UNDERSTAND IS U CANT JUST CALL SOME DARKSKINNED PERSON U SEE IN SAUDI A BLACK ARAB SOME WOULD TAKE OFFENCE 2 THAT THEY ARE JUST ARAB.
I HATE WHEN PEOPLE SAY THAT HE IS A BLACK ARAB NO U IDIOT HE IS JUST ARAB THEY COME IN ALL DIFFERENT SHADES ARE U HAPPY.
U ALL ARE CRAZY IS THERE A BLACK CHINESE, A BLACK RUSSIAN, A BLACK MALAYSIAN, HOLD ON WAIT IM A BLACK EGYPTIAN HAHAHAH NO BITCHS IM JUST EGYPTIAN.
I HATE WHEN IDIOTS TRY TO BRING THIS SKIN COLOR **** LIKE ITS A DUTY OF URS 2 TELL ME HOW BLACK I AM AND HOW I AM A BLACK EGYPTIAN OR HEY U ARE A BLACK ARAB NO THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A WHITE ARAB, BLACK ARAB, OR ANY BULLSHIT U TALKING ABOUT.
WHEN I WAS IN SAUDI I NEVER SAID HEY HE IS A BLACK ARAB NO HE IS A BLACK LEBANESE OR NO THERE HE IS A BLACK PERSIAN.
PLEASE STOP LABELING PEOPLE LIKE THAT THAT **** GETS ON MY NERVES THEY ARE JUST ARABS OK SHUT UP
I agree! The term "black" has never been my cup of tea, but as you have noticed it's very precious to some here.
Replacing the word black for ''e3a'' or ''negrid'' is no improvement to racialist dogma. In fact, I'd argue the implications of your somalid doctrine are far more racist and damaging to unity (especially African unity) than anything I've heard in recent times.
Posted by Freehand (Member # 10819) on :
^Black and white are more offensive to some because they are less genetically and phenetically arbitrary than "American" or "Arab".
Or even "e3b", outside of the fact it denotes (or "marks") some line of descent unknown to most people outside of this forum, from some dude who lived 25,000 years ago or at least 2,000 years ago if its a downstream lineage.
Calling someone white can be even worse than calling someone fat because at least that can be worked off.
Plus, people want to be unifited. Arabs, Africans, Egyptians, Iraqis.
Like, with how we see ourselves (AAs) as a single ethny. If one of us were to call a really dark skinned person black for emphasis describing their shade it would be fine. If an outsider espressed in emphasis belief in a notion that they are somehow a different ethnicity from us because they are dark, we'd be like wtf??
There have probably been black Arabs since there first ever was a such thing as "Arabs".
Maybe they take that kindof like we take dichotomies of Africans ["congoid"], or TheAmericanPatriot on sight saying retarded things like "those aren't natives but nubians!" or vice versa.
Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
Freehand aka Jeeves the butler,
Are you retarded? Your weird rambling stupified posts certainly suggest so.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ausaru: ................................ IM NOT SAYING THERE IS NO ASMAR,ASWAD ARAB WHAT IM SAYING IS U HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHO THOSE GUYS ARE SO SHUT UP BEFORE U ASSUME ****. THERE IS ALOT OF AFRICANS IN ARABIA THAT WOULD KICK UR ASS FOR CALLING THEM ARAB. THERE ARE ALSO ALOT OF BLACK ARABS WHO WOULD KICK UR ASS FOR CALLING THEM BLACK AFRICANS
When is black Arab? When is Arab black?
Notice the Title of the tread is Black Arabs not Black Africans.
I think I get you though. You wanna be Arab, white, Black, African, as and when it suits you.
Ausauru you sound like a wanna be chameleon. Nah?
Lion
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Now, we move to the second reason for the post. It is that original Arabs are black people. Whenever you say Arabs, semites, West Asians, just bear in mind that phenotypically you are talking about the ancestors of one of those black men you see dancing in the Youtube clip.
Those are the original ancient Arabs of Arabia! That is why the video was posted.
Lion!
Posted by SEEKING (Member # 10105) on :
quote:Originally posted by AbuAnu: IronLion my brother come on so are u going to call a darkskinned Mexican a blackmexican no he is mexican and yes there are mexicans who have the same complexion as africans but that does not make them what u think blackmexican no they are just mexican.
Look let me give u an example i live in America and all my American friends who are Europeans they say i am not African because i dont look african thats kool they are doing 2 me what u are doing 2 those men on that video u are making assumptions without haveing clear facts Now I apologize if i came off harsh and said No those are not Arabs What im trying 2 say is Yeah Maybe Alot of those were arabs but there is a possibility that they are not im not saying that arabs are not africans i dont even adhere 2 the middle east label those are just some more Africans.
I hope u dont think im trying 2 push africa away from arabia but im just saying there are non arabs who dress the same way and speak arabic for instance 2 of my bestfriends one is eritrean the other is algerian and they both speak arabic like arabs they even wear the same close as those arabs u uploaded but they are both non-arabs even the algerian he is a Berber and Proud of it.
The Ka’b, Muntafiq, Uqayl groups who left Central Arabia immigrating to Iraq from the 9thc. onwards are described as near black in color, and are considered to have been spread to Mesopotamia since remote times.
Seen it, those videos backed up a good point as well, but IMO not a better one than the one previously raised.
If you look at the ancient artwork of the region the people got VERY dark skinned, they were people moving back into a warmer region.
Now, those links in response to his "black Mexican" comment actually support his own point. The links were about the Afro-Mexican community, the people of both African and indigenous descent. If natives were dark skinned, there is no point in differentiating "black Mexicans" from other Mexicans, as if light skinned Mexicans are the normal ones. There is nothing wrong with the description "black" for someone of dark skin tone but in my view for someone to say a "black Mexican" can imply a special kind of Mexican and is sort of redundant.
Besides, black is used as an ethnonym for peoples in the Americas of African descent.
Then again, if black wasn't ethnic, and more about skin tone, i guess it wouldn't matter how it were used.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Freehand:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Freehand
Check this link someone posted earlier before saying anything else:
Now, those links in response to his "black Mexican" comment actually support his own point. The links were about the Afro-Mexican community, the people of both African and indigenous descent. If natives were dark skinned, there is no point in differentiating "black Mexicans" from other Mexicans, as if light skinned Mexicans are the normal ones. There is nothing wrong with the description "black" for someone of dark skin tone but in my view for someone to say a "black Mexican" can imply a special kind of Mexican and is sort of redundant.
Besides, black is used as an ethnonym for peoples in the Americas of African descent.
Then again, if black wasn't ethnic, and more about skin tone, i guess it wouldn't matter how it were used.
If Afro Mexican is good enough for you, Afro-Arabian should be equally good enough to describe the descendants of Africans born in Arabia. Actually Black Arabians fit just as well.
Anyhow, it doesnt matter a thing what you think or not. The guys in the YouTube video are black people. They are African people living in Arabia playing the rythym of African music and stepping with the soul of an African dancer.
Those men are not the pale skin Arabized Turkos like Abuani and his brethren. For too long now people have assumed that the word Arabic or semitic means some pale arse half white like Yasser Arafat. No, the real Arabs are those Blacks of Saudi, Oman, Jordan, Sudan, Chad, Nigeria, Somalia, Kilwa and Zanzibar.
Lion!
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Imam Jalaluddin al Suyuti of Turkish and Iranian parentage in the 1400s reported of Abu Bakr, the companion of the Prophet as saying, “Oh Messenger of Allah. As for the black sheep they are the Arabs. They will accept islam and beome many. The white sheep are the non-Arab Persians (and others)… They will accept islam and become so many that the Arabs will not be noticed amongst them.”
In the book by al Suyuti Tarikh El Khulafaa cited in The Unkown Arabs, published 2002. [/QB]
Posted by Freehand (Member # 10819) on :
quote:If Afro Mexican is good enough for you, Afro-Arabian should be equally good enough to describe the descendants of Africans born in Arabia. Actually Black Arabians fit just as well.
Anyhow, it doesnt matter a thing what you think or not. The guys in the YouTube video are black people. They are African people living in Arabia playing the rythym of African music and stepping with the soul of an African dancer.
No arguement here
Posted by AbuAnu (Member # 16410) on :
IronLion why are u giving blacks of nigeria,sudan,somalia,yemen,oman,jordan,zanzibar an early arab ancestry did u know these people were always non-arabs and had ancient kingdoms before any Qahatani,Ahdnani arab bedouin built a house and they also spoke there own languages Yemen Himyar,Sabean,etc... Oman Kings the Julandi Brothers who fought against Islam during the arrival of Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Abuani
When a bigger phenomenon meets a lesser one, the lesser must ceed way to that which is more mighty.
When puny knowledge meets fact, reality dawns.
Is this the first time you are hearing that Arabs live in Sudan? Well for the most parts they are black as the night though they be called Arabs.
The Hausas of Nigeria, Ghana and Mali all claim descent from Yemen in Arabia. They are the same colour and shape as those black Arabs in the YouTube video.
Is Yemen not in Arabia? Is Oman not in Arabia? Are they not predominantly physically black people? Jordan too?
Is Zanzibar not in East Africa? Do semites not live in Zanzibar?
The Hausas, the Shuwa Arabs of Nigeria and Chad and Sudan, the Omanis and the Jordanis, are black people. But they speak semitic derived languages and "they be black people."
They are also Arabs.
Banu Hassan, Banu Sulaym, Mansour, Banu Querishi, they are all counted among the Arabs that are black as the night.
They are related to the Nigerians, the Sudanis, the Omanis, the Jordanis....
Arabs are just another group of African people.
Lion!
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by AbuAnu: IronLion why are u giving blacks of nigeria,sudan,somalia,yemen,oman,jordan,zanzibar an early arab ancestry did u know these people were always non-arabs and had ancient kingdoms before any Qahatani,Ahdnani arab bedouin built a house and they also spoke there own languages Yemen Himyar,Sabean,etc... Oman Kings the Julandi Brothers who fought against Islam during the arrival of Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him.
“…a fair-skinned Arab is something inconceivable… “ Ibn Abd Rabbu in El Iqd el Farid (The Unique Necklace) quoting Shuraik el-Qadi a 7th century Arab of the clan of Nakha’l of the Maddhij in the Yemen.
“…the Arabs describe their color as black and they describe the color of the non-Arab Persians as red.” Assertion of grammarian Ibn Manzur or Mandhur, in Lisaan al Arab, Vol. 4 (born in Tunis or northern Egypt).
“Red, in the speech of the people from Hejaz means fair-complexioned, and this color is rare amongst the Arabs. This is the meaning of the saying … a red man as if he is one of the slaves.” From Seyar A’laam al-Nubalaa, vol. 2, by the Syrian Al-Dhahabi (Thahabi),of the century 13th -14th c. a.d., cited in The Unknown Arabs, by Tariq Berry.
Posted by markellion (Member # 14131) on :
"a red man as if he is one of the slaves"
Arabs are pawns that are used for other peoles' imperialistic ambitions. They just go from one puppet master to another
quote:Adjoining the Berber are the Abyssinians, the most numerous and powerful of the Blacks. From their country Yemen once had its kings. The king of the Abyssinians was entitled Al-Negashi, and the capital of his kingdom was the city of Kaber. The Abyssinians are Christians, but it is said that one of their kings embraced the true faith when Mohammed visited their country in the Hijra. They believe that they are destined to become masters of Yemen and all Arabia.
Don't you know that there are many blacks there and they mix with them? My goodness!
Posted by AbuAnu (Member # 16410) on :
Im not denying that there are arabs of darkskin but this is not the point im trying too make i have lived in arabia and seen all kinds of arabs so im not worried about there skin color i understand the culture enough i was raised in it my language is arabic i read,write,and speak it. Im trying too make a point here and IronLion is not understanding me.
Now first of all there are many non-arab muslims who create false geneoligies claiming arab Hashemite,Quarishi descent too prophet muhammed peace be upon him in order too be in the family.
Now how can u a reasonable person say that a single arab came too a tribe of africans and magically after he mixed in with one of them now the whole tribe is Arab u think just like Brainless arab bedouins ya Hamar. Its typical u are no different than those africans who have a arab father and a african mother and Say NO IM ARAB IM NOT AFRICAN IM MORE ARAB
Posted by NoBullCrap (Member # 16471) on :
quote:Originally posted by AbuAnu: Im not denying that there are arabs of darkskin but this is not the point im trying too make i have lived in arabia and seen all kinds of arabs so im not worried about there skin color i understand the culture enough i was raised in it my language is arabic i read,write,and speak it. Im trying too make a point here and IronLion is not understanding me.
Now first of all there are many non-arab muslims who create false geneoligies claiming arab Hashemite,Quarishi descent too prophet muhammed peace be upon him in order too be in the family.
Now how can u a reasonable person say that a single arab came too a tribe of africans and magically after he mixed in with one of them now the whole tribe is Arab u think just like Brainless arab bedouins ya Hamar. Its typical u are no different than those africans who have a arab father and a african mother and Say NO IM ARAB IM NOT AFRICAN IM MORE ARAB
Agree. Good posting.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by AbuAnu: Now first of all there are many non-arab muslims who create false geneoligies claiming arab Hashemite,Quarishi descent too prophet muhammed peace be upon him in order too be in the family.
Now how can u a reasonable person say that a single arab came too a tribe of africans and magically after he mixed in with one of them now the whole tribe is Arab u think just like Brainless arab bedouins ya Hamar. Its typical u are no different than those africans who have a arab father and a african mother and Say NO IM ARAB IM NOT AFRICAN IM MORE ARAB
Africans never lied. The Arabs from the beginning were black curly haired black-a-moor/negros like those dancing men in the YouTube clip. Like those Africans of Mali, of Nigeria, Sudan and Yemen.
See: “…the Arabs describe their color as black and they describe the color of the non-Arab Persians as red.” Assertion of grammarian Ibn Manzur or Mandhur, in Lisaan al Arab, Vol. 4 (born in Tunis or northern Egypt).
See Ibn Mandhour born in Tunis before the 12th c. who wrote "lank hair is the kind of hair that most non=Arab Persians and Romans have while kinky hair is the kind of hair that most Arabs have. " Lisaan al Arab, vol. 3.
So true Arabs are phenotypically same as the negros of sub-sahara. That is what I am trying to drum into your head Abuani. I dont care where you lived, it is what you understand that matters.
Lion!
Posted by AbuAnu (Member # 16410) on :
IronLion u need too read more arabic writers alot of them have different ideas than u and me my friend lets start off with my favorite Hadith whether Bukhari,Ishaq,Tabari,or Anas some find authority in one others dont i find it all a little interesting.
I have the whole Set of Sahih Bukhari in Arabic and its a little different in arabic but this is close.
Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin."
Sahih Bukhari 9:89:256, See Also Sahih Bukhari 1:11:662, Sahih Bukhari 1:11:664
Below this is from Ishaq my family is Sunni but i dont find alot of the Hadith too be Authentic just my opinion
I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!' He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks…. Allah sent down concerning him: ‘To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom." [9:61] "Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey's.' Ishaq 243
This below is from Tabari im not sure how authentic this is i have no Hadith from Tabari but he is considered by some Muslims
Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African’s color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks. Tabari II 11
Ham [Africans] begat all those who are black and curly-haired, while Japheth [Turks] begat all those who are full-faced with small eyes, and Shem [Arabs] begat everyone who is handsome of face with beautiful hair. Noah prayed that the hair of Ham’s descendants would not grow beyond their ears, and that whenever his descendants met Shem’s, the latter would enslave them. Tabari 2. 21
Posted by AbuAnu (Member # 16410) on :
Now im not Saying I agree with this or this is Consider the idea of pre-islamic arabic but this is hadith.
Narrated Abu Juhaifa: By chance I went to the Prophet at noon while he was at Al-Abtah (resting) in a tent. Bilal came out (of the tent) and pronounced the Adhan for the prayer, and entering again, he brought out the water which was left after Allah's Apostle had performed the ablution. The people rushed to take some of the water. Bilal again went in and brought out a spear-headed stick, and then Allah's Apostle came out. As if I were now looking at the whiteness of his leg. Bilal fixed the stick and the Prophet offered a two-Rakat Zuhr prayer and a two-Rak'at 'Asr prayer, while women and donkeys were passing in front of the Prophet(beyond the stick} Sahih Bukhari 4:56:767
Narrated Al-Muttalib: When Uthman ibn Maz'un died, he was brought out on his bier and buried. The Prophet (peace be upon him) ordered a man to bring him a stone, but he was unable to carry it. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) got up and going over to it rolled up his sleeves. The narrator Kathir told that al-Muttalib remarked: The one who told me about the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) said: I still seem to see the whiteness of the forearms of the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) when he rolled up his sleeves. He then carried it and placed it at his head saying: I am marking my brother's grave with it, and I shall bury beside him those of my family who die. Abu Dawud 20:3200
Narrated Abu Humaid As-Sa'idi: Allah's Apostle employed an employee (to collect Zakat). The employee returned after completing his job and said, "O Allah's Apostle! This (amount of Zakat) is for you, and this (other amount) was given to me as a present." The Prophet said to him, "Why didn't you stay at your father's or mother's house and see if you would be given presents or not?" Then Allah's Apostle got up in the evening after the prayer, and having testified that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and praised and glorified Allah as He deserved, he said, "Now then ! What about an employee whom we employ and then he comes and says, 'This amount (of Zakat) is for you, and this (amount) was given to me as a present'? Why didn't he stay at the house of his father and mother to see if he would be given presents or not? By Him in Whose Hand Muhammad's soul is, none of you will steal anything of it (i.e. Zakat) but will bring it by carrying it over his neck on the Day of Resurrection. If it has been a camel, he will bring it (over his neck) while it will be grunting, and if it has been a cow, he will bring it (over his neck), while it will be mooing; and if it has been a sheep, he will bring it (over his neck) while it will be bleeding." The Prophet added, "I have preached you (Allah's Message)." Abu Humaid said, "Then Allah's Apostle raised his hands so high that we saw the whiteness of his armpits."
Sahih Bukhari 8:78:631, See Also Sahih Bukhari 9.086.108:1:1, Sahih Bukhari 9.089.286:1:1, Sahih Bukhari 9.089.305:1:1, Sahih Bukhari 3.047.769:1:1, Sahih Muslim 20.4511:1, Sahih Muslim 20.4509:1
Jurairi reported: I said to Abu Tufail: Did you see Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him)? He said: Yes, he had a white handsome face. Muslim b. Hajjaj said: Abu Tufail who died in 100 Hijra was the last of the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him).
Sahih Muslim 30:5777, See Also Sahih Muslim 30:5786
Narrated Anas bin Malik: While we were sitting with the Prophet in the mosque, a man came riding on a camel. He made his camel kneel down in the mosque, tied its foreleg and then said: "Who amongst you is Muhammad?" At that time the Prophet was sitting amongst us (his companions) leaning on his arm. We replied, "This white man reclining on his arm." The an then addressed him, "O Son of 'Abdul Muttalib."...
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Dinar: My father said, "I heard Ibn 'Umar reciting the poetic verses of Abu Talib: And a white (person) (i.e. the Prophet) who is requested to pray for rain and who takes care of the orphans and is the guardian of widows." Salim's father (Ibn 'Umar) said, "The following poetic verse occurred to my mind while I was looking at the face of the Prophet (p.b.u.h) while he was praying for rain. He did not get down till the rain water flowed profusely from every roof-g utter: And a white (person) who is requested to pray for rain and who takes care of the orphans and is the guardian of widows . . . And these were the words of Abu Talib."
Sahih Bukhari 2:17:122 Narrated Isma'il bin Abi Khalid: I heard Abii Juhaifa saying, "I saw the Prophet, and Al-Hasan bin 'Ali resembled him." I said to Abu- Juhaifa, "Describe him for me." He said, "He was white and his beard was black with some white hair. He promised to give us 13 young she-camels, but he expired before we could get them."
Sahih Bukhari 4:56:744 Abu Tufail reported: I saw Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and there is one amongst the people of the earth who (are living at the present time and) had seen him except me. I said to him: How did you find him? He said: He had an elegant white color, and he was of an average height.
Sahih Muslim 30:5778, See Also Sahih Muslim 30:5778 Other Hadiths Narrated Rabia bin Abi Abdur-Rahman: I heard Anas bin Malik describing the Prophet saying, "He was of medium height amongst the people, neither tall nor short; he had a rosy color, neither absolutely white nor deep brown; his hair was neither completely curly nor quite lank. Divine Inspiration was revealed to him when he was forty years old. He stayed ten years in Mecca receiving the Divine Inspiration, and stayed in Medina for ten more years. When he expired, he had scarcely twenty white hairs in his head and beard." Rabi'a said, "I saw some of his hairs and it was red. When I asked about that, I was told that it turned red because of scent."
Sahih Bukhari 4:56:747 Narrated Anas: Allah's Apostle was neither very tall nor short, neither absolutely white nor deep brown. His hair was neither curly nor lank. Allah sent him (as an Apostle) when he was forty years old. Afterwards he resided in Mecca for ten years and in Medina for ten more years. When Allah took him unto Him, there was scarcely twenty white hairs in his head and beard.
Sahih Bukhari 4:56:748 Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet was neither conspicuously tall, nor short; neither, very white, nor tawny. His hair was neither much curled, nor very straight. Allah sent him (as an Apostle) at the age of forty (and after that) he stayed for ten years in Mecca, and for ten more years in Medina. Allah took him unto Him at the age of sixty, and he scarcely had ten white hairs on his head and in his beard.
Sahih Bukhari 7:72:787 Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was neither very conspicuously tall nor short-statured, and his color was neither glaringly white nor brown; his hair was neither very curly nor very straight; Allah commissioned him (as a Prophet) when he had reached the age of forty years, and he stayed in Mecca for ten years and for ten years in Medina; Allah took him away when he had just reached the age of sixty, and there had not been twenty white hair in his head and beard.
Sahih Muslim 30:579
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Abuani
We are talking about the general physical description of the ancient Arabs. Not the illegitimate hadiths issued by false teachers concerning the description of just one person.
Please post me a quote from any ancient Greek, or any ancient Arab or Roman or Jew that describes the Arabs as "red".
In Arabic red is what defines pale skin. White is a signification of class not colour of the skin.
Because noone on earth is white in colour. You are either pink or red or brown. But there is no white like water colour. That is class.
If you challenge my sentence then I dare you to post the Arabic word used for the Prophet? Was it "bidan"? No sir.
I have given you at least 6 citations on the colour of the Arab. You gave me none. You simply cut and paste some false stories about the colour of one man.
Read again:
“…the Arabs describe their color as black and they describe the color of the non-Arab Persians as red.” Assertion of grammarian Ibn Manzur or Mandhur, in Lisaan al Arab, Vol. 4 (born in Tunis or northern Egypt).
Do you challenge Ibn Manzur if so then give me other citations of classical authors that describe ancient arabs.
I am tired of cut and paste from wikislam. That site is not a good site and a self respecting Muslim should not be visiting there. Same site that said the following:
Find here a link to the real Sahih Bukari and go read and direct me to any of those false quotations you put up there...
Imam Muslim (Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj) who collected the (Sahih Muslim) was born in 202 AH in Nishapur (817/818CE) and died in 261AH (874/875CE)also in Nishapur. Nishapur is in Persia. Persian Muslim? Here again you have the red, another farsi trying to lay false claims to what was not theirs.
Farsis think they are so-called whites. They look down on the rest of the Arabs as negros. They colonized Arabia shortly after the death of the Prophet and fucked it up. Same they did with India too.
Reflect again on the inconsistency of claiming white and non-white for same person in same book. They did not know the man.
So in conclusion, irrespective of whether Muhammed was red, rosy, white or near brown, rest assured that all Arabs from Yemen the original true Arabs, to Saudi Arabia the guardians of the holy city of Mecca are all blacks. Curly hair, dark skin as opposed to Farsis with their red skin and lank hair.
Lion!
Posted by AbuAnu (Member # 16410) on :
I never said the Arabs call themselves Red u must have me mixed up with someone else IronLion.
First and foremost a Arab Bedouin if u asked him his skincolor would never ever say White he would only use these terms, Aswad,Asmar,Buni only these terms which denote black,black/brown,Brown. White Skin as well as Ayn Al-Azraq is not common too Arabs they usually have dark eyes and dark hair.
Let me tell u that blackphobia is a European idea in Arabia this thinking Never was there Darkskin is Praised in Pre-Islamic times and those with the Darkest Skins were the Most Famous. All songs were about beauty of the dark eyed ones.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Abuani
Now we are getting somewhere. I have no argument with what you just said.
Only we need to remind our brothers here in North America that Arabs have a "Black colour consciousness". It was never ever Arabs against Blacks. Arabs are just as blacks as any Negros.
Another tribe of Blacks, some mixed with outsiders, but there are Blacks all the same.
Once we all realize that, then we can jointly reflect on our common Moorish heritage, and appreciate the implication of saying that the Moors/Arabs civilized the Europeans.
Itz all Blacks. My Niggaz. All the way from Azania to Jordan, from Senegal to Oman.
Peace
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Catholic Encyclopedia
The personal appearance of the Arab is rather attractive. He is as a rule, undersized in stature, dark in complexion, especially in the South, with hair black, copious, and coarse; http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01663a.htm Posted by AbuAnu (Member # 16410) on :
I Agree Great Post
Posted by Honeybee (Member # 16471) on :
The black arabs are of black african descent or mixed ancestry. They are not 100% arabs, semitic. Posted by Honeybee (Member # 16471) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Abuani
Now we are getting somewhere. I have no argument with what you just said.
Only we need to remind our brothers here in North America that Arabs have a "Black colour consciousness". It was never ever Arabs against Blacks. Arabs are just as blacks as any Negros.
Another tribe of Blacks, some mixed with outsiders, but there are Blacks all the same.
Once we all realize that, then we can jointly reflect on our common Moorish heritage, and appreciate the implication of saying that the Moors/Arabs civilized the Europeans.
Itz all Blacks. My Niggaz. All the way from Azania to Jordan, from Senegal to Oman.
Peace
Wrong! If a black person who has .5% of white, does that mean they're white? So, why would a white person who has .5% of black is black. And nigger means ignorant. You can apply that word to yourself but don't you dare insult the rest of the black population with this word.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Honeybee:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Abuani
Now we are getting somewhere. I have no argument with what you just said.
Only we need to remind our brothers here in North America that Arabs have a "Black colour consciousness". It was never ever Arabs against Blacks. Arabs are just as blacks as any Negros.
Another tribe of Blacks, some mixed with outsiders, but there are Blacks all the same.
Once we all realize that, then we can jointly reflect on our common Moorish heritage, and appreciate the implication of saying that the Moors/Arabs civilized the Europeans.
Itz all Blacks. My Niggaz. All the way from Azania to Jordan, from Senegal to Oman.
Peace
Wrong! If a black person who has .5% of white, does that mean they're white? So, why would a white person who has .5% of black is black. And nigger means ignorant. You can apply that word to yourself but don't you dare insult the rest of the black population with this word.
And Mr. do you have evidence of the proportion of African blood in those men dancing in the YouTube video?
What instrument of calibration did you use to attain your .5% standard?
The black arabs are of black african descent or mixed ancestry. They are not 100% arabs, semitic.
Mr what is 100% arabs? Please cite sources.
What is semitic? Is that a race or nationality or genetic origin?
Lion!
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
I see honeybee is getting humiliated in three threads now.
It is really sad that this lowlife even tries to continue that she he is African descent.
I don't know ONE African who would use racists websites as there source.
Don't embarass it too bad now Lion.
Bee you are a sad Joke
Peace
Posted by Honeybee (Member # 16471) on :
quote:Originally posted by KING: I see honeybee is getting humiliated in three threads now.
It is really sad that this lowlife even tries to continue that she he is African descent.
I don't know ONE African who would use racists websites as there source.
Don't embarass it too bad now Lion.
Bee you are a sad Joke
Peace
Oh, LOL. I'm not the insecure one. However, you don't even know what you are? So you won't know what Egyptians are.
White sources? Whose the racist? What a biased and unintelligent argument. Awww.... so sad and desperate. Awwwww..... My tears are falling for you. The funny thing is that the way you are acting here, I know you wouldn't have the "balls" to be that way to anybody's face.
I can picture how you look. I always ask three questions to you and nobody wants to answer, LOL 1.) What is your highest level of education? 2.) What is you income? 3.) Have you been to Egypt and seen Egyptian art? 4.) Have you even been to Africa because they many look down to African Americans, LOL. 5.) Have you even left outside of North America.
Since you fail to answer these questions, I can picture exactly how you look like and how you are.
It's you're not your. You are such an embarassment. You haven't seen the Book of Gates? LOOOOOOL. How funny is that. You don't know anything about Egypt. LOL.
Posted by Honeybee (Member # 16471) on :
The black arabs are of black african descent or mixed ancestry. They are not 100% arabs, semitic.
Mr what is 100% arabs? Please cite sources.
What is semitic? Is that a race or nationality or genetic origin?
Lion!
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"Pure Arabs" of South Arabia, descending from Qahtan. The Qahtanites (Qahtanis) are said to have migrated the land of Yemen. Unless you're going to start saying people from Yemen are black, too. LOL. Hahahaha. Afrocentrism is a joke!
You know something? Whether they were black, orange, yellow, green. You are nothing like Egyptians now. They are not black now, LOL. I dare you to tell one that they are black to their face and see what they will do and please post it here for me to see. Even better, tell a Chinese that they were black. LOOOOL!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Were dinosaurs black, too? Can you show me the DNA tests to prove it? How about cats? I always felt that cats had black ancestry. Was the Empire State building really built by African Americans? Maybe by phone is black. Maybe my laptop. Maybe the aliens are black. And so is my shampoo.
Half black and proud! Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
Honeybee
Still trying to act like you still have sense. It's sad that it has come to this. You show how lame you are with every passing post. You responded to me, all but Ignoring Lions post to you.
You sadly have not proven ANYTHING to anyone except that your a sad joke.
Now be a good thing and answer Lions post.
Peace
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
Wow So now I am a racist for saying "White" Sources. Wow bee you really are the smart one.
The person who uses racist websites thinks I am racist. Hahahahahahhahaah
You are by far the most clueless person I have had the displeasure of debating. You come with no facts, no evidence just your stupid opinion and you want to have people take you serious.
Worry about what YOU are, I know who I am, and I don't need to broadcast it on a forum that is about research. Only FACTS matter on this forum.
Peace
Posted by Honeybee (Member # 16471) on :
quote:Originally posted by KING: Wow So now I am a racist for saying "White" Sources. Wow bee you really are the smart one.
The person who uses racist websites thinks I am racist. Hahahahahahhahaah
You are by far the most clueless person I have had the displeasure of debating. You come with no facts, no evidence just your stupid opinion and you want to have people take you serious.
Worry about what YOU are, I know who I am, and I don't need to broadcast it on a forum that is about research. Only FACTS matter on this forum.
Peace
LOL. Oh so you're saying that anybody who is not black is a racist. Wow, no limits for you. Woah. Hmmmm.... Interesting & Sick! LOOOOOOOL!
I know who I am and proud. If you knew who you were and proud, you wouldn't be on a desperate quest on convincing people that Egyptians were really black and spend hours upon hours trying to do so.
You don't know the meaning of facts. You don't even know the meaning of nigger so how can I expect you to know the meaning of facts? I keep seeing postings from some imbecile who refers to black people as "niggaz"! How insulting and stupid that person can be because nigger means "ignorant". And there are many debates about how blacks SHOULD NOT use that word to each other. What kind of people call each other "nigger"? Uneducated, of course. I'm not ignorant. Maybe the person who keep posting that word.
You still haven't answered my questions. I wonder why. Posted by Honeybee (Member # 16471) on :
You know something? Whether they were black, orange, yellow, green. You are nothing like Egyptians now. They are not black now, LOL. I dare you to tell one that they are black to their face and see what they will do and please post it here for me to see. Even better, tell a Chinese that they were black. LOOOOL!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Were dinosaurs black, too? Can you show me the DNA tests to prove it? How about cats? I always felt that cats had black ancestry. Was the Empire State building really built by African Americans? Maybe by phone is black. Maybe my laptop. Maybe the aliens are black. And so is my shampoo.
I'm half black and proud! I don't deal with insecure people. They are poor examples with negative energy, so you can keep that to yourself.
Keep using "your". You just represent African Americans poorly for not even wanting to correct your english. Uuuf!
If you really are losers and desperate people who don't know who you are and don't know anything abotuu Egypt, you will answer back. Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
Honeybee
Honeybee Honeybee Honeybee. NO ONE CARES what race you are on this forum. How can someone like you take offense to the N word, when no one thinks your African(Black). You come on this forum and you think you can dictate to people how they should act. Listen sir your use of racist websites shows your true color(And it's not Black). You lose all crediablity as soon as you used those sites.
All the sources I have shown you comes from "White" scholars, yet you continue with your pathetic afrocentrism attack. Your a sad misguided joke.
Everyone that has known me on this forum, knows that I always give the benefit of the doubt to others. I respect all people I debate, but YOU are a very different case. I want to respect you, but you make it way too difficult.
Free your mind
Peace
Posted by Sundjata (Member # 13096) on :
quote:Originally posted by KING: Listen sir your use of racist websites shows your true color (And it's not Black).
I like that one..
Posted by Honeybee (Member # 16471) on :
quote:Originally posted by KING: Honeybee
Honeybee Honeybee Honeybee. NO ONE CARES what race you are on this forum. How can someone like you take offense to the N word, when no one thinks your African(Black). You come on this forum and you think you can dictate to people how they should act. Listen sir your use of racist websites shows your true color(And it's not Black). You lose all crediablity as soon as you used those sites.
All the sources I have shown you comes from "White" scholars, yet you continue with your pathetic afrocentrism attack. Your a sad misguided joke.
Everyone that has known me on this forum, knows that I always give the benefit of the doubt to others. I respect all people I debate, but YOU are a very different case. I want to respect you, but you make it way too difficult.
Free your mind
Peace
LOL, wow, you think anybody who is not black are racists. LOOOOL! With that victim mentality, know that you will stay in your poor state, mentally, financially, emotionally and spiritually for the rest of your life. I know people with this mentality and their lives don't improve.
So the ppl think I'm not black because I don't agree with you which is illogical. So in order for me to be black, I have to agree with you? Do you have any logic? I told you that majority of blacks don't care about Afrocentrism. Just because it exists in America, that doesn't mean that it represents the whole population of black people. AND THANKS TO ALLAH FOR THAT!
You want to call each other nigger meaning ignorant, that's fine, because you are anyway.
Please tell me what the arabs and Chinese tell you when you tell them that they are black. I'll be waiting for the thread that says how you were spat at or called obscene words.
As I said, I don't deal with insecure, uneducated ppl.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Honeybee: Mr what is 100% arabs? Please cite sources.
What is semitic? Is that a race or nationality or genetic origin?
Lion! [/qb]
HoneyBee Responds:
"Pure Arabs" of South Arabia, descending from Qahtan. The Qahtanites (Qahtanis) are said to have migrated the land of Yemen. Unless you're going to start saying people from Yemen are black, too. LOL. Hahahaha. Afrocentrism is a joke!
Blah blah blah..... LOOOOL!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Were dinosaurs black, too? blah blah blah...
Half black and proud! [/QB]
Yazid ibn Muawia of the Omayya ibn Shams bin Abd Manaf of the Qureish tribe was “black skinned” and “hairy” and “kinky haired” according to Ibn Abd Rabbu 9th c. of Cordoba and el Dhahabi the Syrian of the 14th c. It was apparently his father, Muawia, who said “I see these white folks have become very numerous and are saying bad things about those who have passed. I can envision a daring enterprise from them against the Arabs and authority. I am thinking of killing half of them and leaving half of them to set up markets and to build roads. Whats your opinion?” (Reported by Ibn Abd Rabbu, in El Iqd al Farid, vol 3. cited in The Unkown Arabs. P. 81)
The Lion! Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
Honeybee
You say you don't deal with insecure and uneducated people, then how do you deal with yourself?
You have got to be the dumbest troll that has graced this forum. Really now. You continue to claim me as being Black when I never said I was, then you claim the only way to be black on this forum is to agree with people(Your Words).
You then put words in my mouth saying that I said anyone who is not black is racist. Really now sir, how stupid do you have to be to think up these ideas?
Word of advice. Don't try and tell others how they think, it could get you in trouble in real life. Not everyone on this forum is "Black". We have Filipinos, Indians, Europeans and even Arabs. This forum use to be moderated by a Upper Egyptian Saidi, Like I said, you lost all crediability when you posted from Racist websites.
And your still a sad Joke.
Peace
Posted by Sundjata (Member # 13096) on :
quote:Unless you're going to start saying people from Yemen are black
I see that the problem isn't so much that we think that EVERYONE is Black, it's that you think Blacks don't exist or are/have been restricted to three countries in central Africa.
Kivisild et al basically found that modern Yemeni people posses African lineages (common from Ethiopia to southeast Africa) at over 50% so of course there are indigenous Black people in Yemen. You sure are an illiterate f*ck! Get a life you unlearned weirdo and go make some sense out of your miserly existence...
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^^Good advice
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Honeybee:
quote:
LOL, So the ppl think I'm not black because I don't agree with you which is illogical. So in order for me to be black, I...blah blah blah...
You want to call each other nigger meaning ignorant, that's fine, because you are anyway.
Please tell me what the arabs and Chinese tell you when you tell them that they are black. I'll be waiting for the thread that says how you were spat at or called obscene words.
As I said,blah blah blah...etc
"I am Miskeen-for those who know me! My color is dark-the color of the Arabs!"
(words of Miskeen Al Darimi- 7th century AD.)
! انا مسكين لمن يعرفني- لوني السمرة- الوان العرب
(كلمات مسكين الدارمي- القرن السابع الميلادي)
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
Bump for Honeybee.
Posted by ackee (Member # 16371) on :
Don't know any Chinese but i know guite a few SouthEastern Asians who without batting an eye told me they were black,most of them attened univerisity in my city,drink at the same bar.
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I see that the problem isn't so much that we think that EVERYONE is Black, it's that you think Blacks don't exist or are/have been restricted to three countries in central Africa.