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Originally posted by zarahan:
So can we indeed say the Fulani are mostly white people?

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Evergreen Writes: I don't think any peer-reviewed scientist has made this claim.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
The term Eurasian referrers to the "Eurasian plains" or steppes (Grasslands), which stretch from east of the Caspian Sea to Manchuria China.

She correctly denotes it as the homeland of White people. It is the term Caucasian which is incorrectly used. White people do not come from the Caucasus mountains.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ Again the moron above me knows not what he speaks of. Eurasia specifically means the entire landmass of Europe and Asia combined!...

Getting back to the topic which was discussed many times before...

Mathilda no doubt classifies Fulani as "caucasoid"/Eurasian based on cranial features. We know that many Fulani groups like the Wodaabe have long faces and long aquiline noses as well as thin lips, but to call them "white" is absurd as they are all chocolate to ebony in complexion and we all know Africans vary in cranial features. This whole idea of Africans or Mathilda puts it 'negroid' being restricted to one stereotype is very tiring! Mind you, in many populations of Fulani Y-chromosome studies show them to be E3a (E1b1a) as high as 100% so of course there is no Eurasian ancestry among them. We also know that R1* is a paleolithic lineage that likely originated in Africa as the highest concetrations are found in Africa, specifically Cameroon and the only populations outside of Africa that carry it are those in Southern Arabia and the Levant (both points of emmigration from Africa).

Really Zarahan, I don't know why you bother to take Mathilda of all people seriously.
 

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Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
 
Anyone who believes that Fulani are or have eurasian genes have no clue what they are talking about.

Fulani have e3a at 100% in Nigeria, Niger Fulani have E3a at 70%.

Fulanis are as much indeginous West Africans as the Wolof, Dogon, etc.

Cameroon is home to Africans who have R1, if it is from outside Africa, then it was at a time when eurasians did not look much different to Africans.

Don't let racist fools hold you down.

Peace
 

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Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
 
King and Djehuti aka the two racist liberals who from time to time display their veiled racist notions about Africans wrote:
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Look at these two sorry ass liberals.


You two losers are actually pitiful enough to think that Africans need your sorry asses.


King, go use some wrinkle cream.


Djehuti, you're not even man enough to protect your own women suffering abuse in other countries.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Djehuti Quote: ^ Again the moron above me knows not what he speaks of. Eurasia specifically means the entire landmass of Europe and Asia combined!...

Context; you ignorant little Mongol twit.
When used in a racial context it referrers only to White people. Or do you think that they are trying to say that the Fulani are Mongols??
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
^But you ignorance does bring up the drifting definitions of White people. First they were Europeans and Caucasians. But once it was proven that they don't come from Europe OR the Caucasus mountains, they have settled on Eurasian.

But really what are called the Eurasian plains - which is where they come from, are not really much a part of Europe at all. The part they come from starts on the east of the Caspian Sea (it's a poor map). So really, they are just plain ole Asians. But since they don't want to be associated with sh1t Mongols like yourself, they are calling themselves Eurasians.

Don't get me started on the term Indo-European - damn White people sure are full of sh1t.





 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ Once you learn the difference between Eurasia and Eurasian steppes, that Indo-European is a language phylum independent of whites and that whites are aboriginal to Europe where there white skin developed, then you just might be taken seriously in this forum. Until then, you are free to waste your time and perhaps life indulging in fantasies.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
^Mongol twit, aside from the fact that even the White supremacist have accepted that they are Asian. What proof can your White-ass kissing Mongol self produce that they originated in Europe???

Where are your White skeletons??
Where are your White artifacts??
Where are your White writings??
Where are your White ANYTHING IDIOT!

Funny thing though - there are lots of such Black things - IDIOT!!!


MORE - Indo-European - a language phylum independent of whites???

Last I checked, English, German, etc, etc, were Indo-European languages. The Dravidians of India didn't speak English, German, etc, etc, Therefore THOSE languages must be a COMBINATION of the Dravidian language AND the original WHITE languages. You are really quite stupid you know.

 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mike111:

^Mongol twit, aside from the fact that even the White supremacist have accepted that they are Asian. What proof can your White-ass kissing Mongol self produce that they originated in Europe???

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LMAO It's obvious your resort to ad-hominem name calling is due to your frustration. Of course whites are Asian in that Europe itself is merely a subcontinent of Asia, you moron. There is no white-ass kissing from me just because I accept the reality that whites are indigenous to Europe.

You've seen these pieces of evidence before:

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Where are your White skeletons??

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Where are your White artifacts??
Where are your White writings??
Where are your White ANYTHING IDIOT!

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Perhaps you should look up European history, idiot!

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Funny thing though - there are lots of such Black things - IDIOT!!!

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MORE - Indo-European - a language phylum independent of whites???

Last I checked, English, German, etc, etc, were Indo-European languages. The Dravidians of India didn't speak English, German, etc, etc, Therefore THOSE languages must be a COMBINATION of the Dravidian language AND the original WHITE languages. You are really quite stupid you know.

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LOL And your point? As I said IE languages are independent of 'whites' since the oldest white populations of Europe DON'T speak IE languages. You obviously don't realize that it is YOU who is really and utterly quite stupid! But as they say, idiots don't know they're idiots.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Djehuti - In a lucid moment; if there is such a thing with you. Should you ever wonder why I so gleefully insult you; well the prime examples can be found in what you wrote above.

Djehuti - Europe itself is merely a subcontinent of Asia.

So says only you.

Djehuti - All the skeletal evidence shows modern (white) Europeans evolving locally in Europe.

This is a bare, yellow-faced lie. No such skeletons exist.

Djehuti - The oldest white populations of Europe DON'T speak IE languages.

The oldest White populations of Europe are the Greeks; Greek IS an Indo-European language.

It seems to me that you spend so much time with your head up some White mans ass, that your little mind is starting to show signs of Oxygen depravation. Those crackers in Georgia must really be hard on you - in you?
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Djehuti - Knowing what a sneaky, conniving, unscrupulous, word-twisting little piece of sh1t you are. I think it best to amend my previous statement.

Because as we all should know, the original Greeks were a Black people who did NOT speak an Indo-European language.

Therefore my previous statement “The oldest White populations of Europe are the Greeks; Greek IS an Indo-European language”.

Is technically incorrect, and should read:

The oldest White populations of Europe are the Hellenes; The Hellenic language IS an Indo-European language.

Because as we all know, the country’s name is NOT Greece, it is the “Hellenic Republic”

BTW – How does it feel to be left holding the bag for White people? They have accepted their Asian ancestry and moved on; meanwhile their little Filipino ass-boy continues to doggedly fight the fight-of-lies on their behalf.

How many times have you posted that bogus piece of White-boy dreaming trash study above? The one with the smiling red-faced Albino-man picture; Does he remind you of someone that you love, or was it just someone who gave it to you hard?
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mike111:

Djehuti - In a lucid moment; if there is such a thing with you. Should you ever wonder why I so gleefully insult you; well the prime examples can be found in what you wrote above.

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Djehuti - Europe itself is merely a subcontinent of Asia.

So says only you.

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Nope. So says everyone with a common sense of geography as well as geology.

http://tabacco.blog-city.com/africanamerican_chineseamerican_cubanamerican_those_are_coun.htm

...because Africa is a CONTINENT, NOT A COUNTRY!

The French, Germans, Brits, Italians and Spanish have been fighting for millennia. And they all inhabit the Continent of Europe. When was the last time you heard anybody refer to a Brit, Spaniard, German, Frenchman or Italian as a “European-American”? Would “never” be an accurate response? The truth is Europe is not a continent, but a subcontinent of Asia. That’s only Caucasian propaganda. If you don’t believe me, look at the map below:



The connection between Africa and Asia is a very small strip of land. Australia is not connected to anything. But where is the physical separation between Asia and Europe? There is none. The separation is purely political. They lied to you in school. Europe is not a continent – it’s merely a subcontinent of Asia. Got it? Now don’t ever forget it!

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Djehuti - All the skeletal evidence shows modern (white) Europeans evolving locally in Europe.

This is a bare, yellow-faced lie. No such skeletons exist.

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[qg]Djehuti - The oldest white populations of Europe DON'T speak IE languages.

The oldest White populations of Europe are the Greeks; Greek IS an Indo-European language.[/qb]

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It seems to me that you spend so much time with your head up some White mans ass, that your little mind is starting to show signs of Oxygen depravation. Those crackers in Georgia must really be hard on you - in you?

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Correction. Just because I accept basic REALITY of European history and heritage does not make me a Europhile let alone one who kisses white ass. It's obvious the 'crackers' you speak of had a major impact in YOUR life for you to try to usurp their European heritage!

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Djehuti - Knowing what a sneaky, conniving, unscrupulous, word-twisting little piece of sh1t you are. I think it best to amend my previous statement.

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Because as we all should know, the original Greeks were a Black people who did NOT speak an Indo-European language.

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Therefore my previous statement “The oldest White populations of Europe are the Greeks; Greek IS an Indo-European language”.

Is technically incorrect, and should read:

The oldest White populations of Europe are the Hellenes; The Hellenic language IS an Indo-European language.

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Because as we all know, the country’s name is NOT Greece, it is the “Hellenic Republic”

BTW – How does it feel to be left holding the bag for White people? They have accepted their Asian ancestry and moved on; meanwhile their little Filipino ass-boy continues to doggedly fight the fight-of-lies on their behalf.

How many times have you posted that bogus piece of White-boy dreaming trash study above? The one with the smiling red-faced Albino-man picture; Does he remind you of someone that you love, or was it just someone who gave it to you hard?

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LOL Again I don't hold white people in reverence the way YOU do since you are so obsessed with claiming their homeland of Europe. Also there is nothing "bogus" about that study which even black geneticists like Kittles and Keita agree on! You don't even know what albinism and true albinos are! I recall on another thread you claimed pale Asians as albinos even though they still had heavy pigmentation i.e. black hair and dark eyes!!

The conclusion is the same-- YOU ARE AN IDIOT WHO KNOWS NOT WHAT YOU SPEAK OF.
 

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Posted by Akeebua (Member # 16235) on :
 
bwa aha aahahahahaah.. You have truly arrived. You have the white supremacists and the black supremacists both hating on you.
 

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Posted by ackee (Member # 16371) on :
 
Hey Akeebua,You really Jamaican? If so where?

@ EverGreen, I though the ancestors of the Bantu language group came from Camaroon? are they heavily R1 also?
 

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Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
 

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Where, and what, is Europe? As we have learned, geographers do not all divide the world into the same geographic regions. Some do not even agree on what is a continent!

Europe is not really a continent, which should be defined as a very large landmass mostly separated from other large landmasses by water. Using this definition, many geographers identify a Eurasian continent [wweurasm]. But, since modern geography developed in what is called "Europe", the European geographers defined their own continent. But where should we put the eastern boundary? Most people extend the European continent eastward to the Ural mountains of Russia [wweuctsm] since this is the first natural barrier to the east. Therefore you often hear the term "European Russia" for the heavily populated [rupopden] and industrialized Russian plain west of the Ural Mountains.


http://www.harpercollege.edu/mhealy/

http://www.harpercollege.edu/mhealy/g101ilec/europe/chap2.htm

http://www.harpercollege.edu/mhealy/g101ilec/europe/eud/eurealm/eurealtx.htm

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ Indeed. It's hilarious how white-hating Mike accuses me of kissing white-asses when HE is the one who uses their unobjective geo-political terms!! LMAO
 

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Posted by zarahan (Member # 15718) on :
 

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Originally posted by alTakruri:

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Where, and what, is Europe? As we have learned, geographers do not all divide the world into the same geographic regions. Some do not even agree on what is a continent!

Europe is not really a continent, which should be defined as a very large landmass mostly separated from other large landmasses by water. Using this definition, many geographers identify a Eurasian continent [wweurasm]. But, since modern geography developed in what is called "Europe", the European geographers defined their own continent. But where should we put the eastern boundary? Most people extend the European continent eastward to the Ural mountains of Russia [wweuctsm] since this is the first natural barrier to the east. Therefore you often hear the term "European Russia" for the heavily populated [rupopden] and industrialized Russian plain west of the Ural Mountains.


http://www.harpercollege.edu/mhealy/

http://www.harpercollege.edu/mhealy/g101ilec/europe/chap2.htm

http://www.harpercollege.edu/mhealy/g101ilec/europe/eud/eurealm/eurealtx.htm

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Use of the term "Eurasian" seems a bit confusing, even hypocritical by some when it comes to studying cetain African populations. One study of Africa for example states: North Africans are generally considered more related to Eurasians than Subsaharans."

But note the comparison. The immense landmass of Eurasia, from the shores of the Pacific to the Atlantic is used at one end, with certain DNA markers labeled "Eurasian" even though their highest frequencies occur in Africa. On the other end, "Africa" is carefully split into "North" and the rest, and even this is inconsistent since "North" Africa, variously defined by the European academy includes huge slices of Chad, Mali, Niger, Maruitania, the Sudan and various other parts of the Sahara. "Sub-Saharan" labels also sees double standard use. Various peoples like Ethiopians, and Somalians are often separated out into the "North African" category, even though they are physically below the Sahara, and thus "Sub-Saharan."



One wonders why the same slice and dice methods used with African populations aren't applied consistently across the board to the category "Eurasian," and why white European populations, so often conveniently sheltered under the broad rubric "Eurasian" in many popularion comparisons, are so seldom deployed in a "true white" configuration, the way the "true negro" format is so frequently slapped on certain African populations.
 

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Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
 
Somalia wasn't included in "north" Africa while Ethiopia and Eritrea were. LOL!


Hey Yonis, Somalis are sub-saharan negroes. hahahaheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!


Folks, its only in Yonis's mind that Somalis are caucasian.
 

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Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
 
zarahan wrote:

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One wonders why the same slice and dice methods used with African populations aren't applied consistently across the board to the category "Eurasian," and why white European populations, so often conveniently sheltered under the broad rubric "Eurasian" in many popularion comparisons, are so seldom deployed in a "true white" configuration, the way the "true negro" format is so frequently slapped on certain African populations.

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Originally posted by zarahan:

...One wonders why the same slice and dice methods used with African populations aren't applied consistently across the board to the category "Eurasian," and why white European populations, so often conveniently sheltered under the broad rubric "Eurasian" in many popularion comparisons, are so seldom deployed in a "true white" configuration, the way the "true negro" format is so frequently slapped on certain African populations.

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Indeed, the hypocrisy becomes even more obvious considering that there are Eurasians with "true negroid" morphology as well!


 

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Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
 
Quite a few posters here do so too, and go even further to include Nigeria as in North Africa.

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Originally posted by zarahan:


... "North" Africa, variously defined by the European academy includes huge slices
of Chad, Mali, Niger, Maruitania, the Sudan and various other parts of the Sahara.

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Obviously so, since there are many Fulani who live in Nigeria, specifically the northern area.

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Originally posted by Whatbox:

I don't think the posters who consider Nigeria to Somalia as part of Northern Africa do it based on ethnic group or religion or anything, but based on the fact they're North of the geographical mid point.

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Originally posted by xyyman:
You getting me crossed-eye with all these nics. Identity crisis huh!!. Maybe Acko was right. Identity sexuality problem?? Between you and YH not sure which is worst.

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heckks naww, from changed nicknames to rollin' that other way?

Apresscee members sure do seem to be interested in Whatbox's sexual orientation, but this really is not all that surprising.

Perhaps i should have claimed to have been female.

And I don't even know what the dude's talking about to begin with -- this is my original moniker.
 

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Posted by prmiddleeastern (Member # 14038) on :
 
They are Black african people with White ancestry, like African Americans
 

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Posted by ackee (Member # 16371) on :
 
I donno but some times back when I could get New Africa Magazine,I read an interview about Nigerians giving white displaced Zimbabwean farmers lands to farm and the whites were commenting on how happy they were to be in "North Africa"so go figure.
 

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Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
 
prmiddleeastern wrote:
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They are Black african people with White ancestry, like African Americans
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African Americans have no more white ancestry than Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Germans, Italians, French and the English have black ancestry.

So your mixed AA fantasy just went down in flames.


I know that fucks with you, but so be it.
 

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Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
 
Is the quality of ES poster dropping. What kind of stupid comment is the above!!!

From Zimbabwe, Boswana and the Congo is "NORTH"

oops!! sorry Argie . this is @Ackee
 

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Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 

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Originally posted by prmiddleeastern:

They are Black african people with White ancestry, like African Americans

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Which is...?

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Originally posted by argyle104:
African Americans have no more white ancestry than Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Germans, Italians, French and the English have black ancestry.

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Originally posted by prmiddleeastern:

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Which is...?

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From West Asia(Y-DNA T)

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Originally posted by argyle104:
Still find it funny that soSmallie Yonis going around claiming Somalia was in northeast Africa.

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Originally posted by The Explorer:
First of all, since when did Hg K become synonymous with "white ancestry"? The same question may be asked about your so-called West Asia.

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In the meantime, possibly of some interest: Working hypothesis around haplogroups IJK, I, J, K, P, R, and Q

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Originally posted by argyle104:
And Japanese, Koreans, Germans, etc have African and African American dna, now go take your down syndrome looking ass and tell them they're mixed with Africans or so called "blacks".

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Yes, I would do when I find one with that ancestry.
 

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Posted by prmiddleeastern (Member # 14038) on :
 

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
it doesnt cost that much
only if you will go farther beyond national geographic to see the subclades of the haplogroup you belong to most of the chances you are R1b since most of the colonial spaniards
who colonised puerto -ricko were R1b
i recomend you to do the test to be sure to what haplogroup you belong as i said it isnt alot
i didnt checked my mtdna even though i am european from my mtdna side
regards e3b1c1

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Originally posted by prmiddleeastern:

Since majority of it bearers are Caucasians.West Asia is poblated also by Caucasians

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You do realize that Hg K has on average, its widest distribution in the Great Rift Valley areas on the African side and the nearby areas across the Red Sea, don't you? If so, does this say anything to you?

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Yes, and also on Persia and West Asia.

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Secondly, what is your source, *besides wikipedia?

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DNA Sites.

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Thirdly, is Hg K's incidence that much substantial in any case, to justify portraying the Fula as though they live amidst a large settler population of "white people", which is what your comparison to AAs suggests?

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That AA also have white gnes on them,dsepite being only a little percertage.

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In the meantime, possibly of some interest: Working hypothesis around haplogroups IJK, I, J, K, P, R, and Q

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Thanks

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Originally posted by prmiddleeastern:

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Originally posted by The Explorer:

So the Africans of the Great Rift Valley are "Caucasians"? If so, why?

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By that link it is suggesting that all humans originated in Africa, yes, I know we humans originated in Africa and some of them moved out of Africa to other places,mutating in different phenotypes as adaptation to living in those places, hence the origin of what people call"races" or human variation, creating Caucasians and mongolids, then some Caucsians made a back migration to Africa, marrying the native african and adquiring the native African phenotype as they continue breeding with the native population.

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Originally posted by The Explorer:

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Originally posted by prmiddleeastern:

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Originally posted by The Explorer:

So the Africans of the Great Rift Valley are "Caucasians"? If so, why?

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By that link it is suggesting that all humans originated in Africa, yes, I know we humans originated in Africa and some of them moved out of Africa to other places,mutating in different phenotypes as adaptation to living in those places, hence the origin of what people call"races" or human variation, creating Caucasians and mongolids, then some Caucasians made a back migration to Africa, marrying the native african and adquiring the native African phenotype as they continue breeding with the native population.

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You don't find it odd that your reply is talking about something that has nothing to do with what you just cited?

And you obviously given up on all other requests to verify your claims, as you've dropped addressing them altogether. Maybe you shouldn't be making claims you are not prepared to backup, right?

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Originally posted by The Explorer:
For the second time: name your source(s), with citation.

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Nonsense. I suggest you re-read my question, and answer it accordingly.

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Originally posted by prmiddleeastern:

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Originally posted by The Explorer:

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Originally posted by prmiddleeastern:

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Originally posted by The Explorer:

So the Africans of the Great Rift Valley are "Caucasians"? If so, why?

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By that link it is suggesting that all humans originated in Africa, yes, I know we humans originated in Africa and some of them moved out of Africa to other places,mutating in different phenotypes as adaptation to living in those places, hence the origin of what people call"races" or human variation, creating Caucasians and mongolids, then some Caucasians made a back migration to Africa, marrying the native african and adquiring the native African phenotype as they continue breeding with the native population.

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You don't find it odd that your reply is talking about something that has nothing to do with what you just cited?

And you obviously given up on all other requests to verify your claims, as you've dropped addressing them altogether. Maybe you shouldn't be making claims you are not prepared to backup, right?

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The letters in bold are the answers to your question.

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Originally posted by The Explorer:
For the second time: name your source(s), with citation.

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Genographic project

http://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/lan/en/atlas.html

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African Americans aren't pure Africans, not like the majority in west Africa, who had only sub-saharan ancestry and intact phenotype.

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Originally posted by prmiddleeastern:

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Originally posted by The Explorer:
For the second time: name your source(s), with citation.

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Genographic project

http://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/lan/en/atlas.html

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Nonsense. I suggest you re-read my question, and answer it accordingly.

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African Americans aren't pure Africans, not like the majority in west Africa, who had only sub-saharan ancestry and intact phenotype.

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
white ancestery are you kidding me what aabout NO haplogroup from which descendent haplogroup
O which is mongolid
no way around it
about haplogroup q which natiave americans carry again mongolid most if them dont even carry slc24a5 meaning thaey are not white you cant denay that haplogroup q descendents from f
so calling it caucasian is not the right term
or white white people carry slc24a5 the balkan v13 guys are much more white to me than haplogroup t and j1 in sudan somalia
e3b1c1

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Originally posted by The Explorer:
It dances around the question. Try again: Are Africans of the Great Rift Valley "caucasians"? Yes or no.They are part caucasian or have little Caucasian percentage.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by prmiddleeastern:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer:
So, the national geographic site told you that the Fulani have K2 in so and so incidences, and which is considered "white ancestry"? Where?

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Drop your obsession with African Americans for a minute, and focus on the Fulani, whom you compared to the former, will you;

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Originally posted by prmiddleeastern:

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Originally posted by The Explorer:

So, the national geographic site told you that the Fulani have K2 in so and so incidences, and which is considered "white ancestry"? Where?

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Yes, it is white ancestry because also the Phoenicians beared that haplogroup and it came from West Asia,Caucasid land.

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You have a tendency to answer your citations with some totally off-topic drivel. I asked you this [even though it is right above]: So, the national geographic site told you that the Fulani have K2 in so and so incidences, and which is considered "white ancestry"? Where?

But now that you mentioned it,

1)What evidence do you have that suggests K2 emerged in your so-called "West Asia"; where specifically in that area, and in which specific population?

2)When did it emerge; were "white people" around then, and if so, according to what tangible evidence?

3)Just because some non-African group presumably happens to share a clade, makes it "white ancestry"; on what planet does that make sense?

"West Asians" share P2 markers with mainland Africans; does this then make P2 "white ancestry", per your reasoning?

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Ps - I know that you probably won't learn this from browsing wikipedia, but Fulani are not confined to one region; rather they are spread across western Africa, with some refuge in Sudan. So a small Fulani sample in say, Cameroon, is not the sum total of what Fulani is in Cameroon itself, let alone elsewhere. An no, they don't live amidst settler "white caucasoids". Have you learned something new today? I hope so.
 

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Posted by akoben (Member # 15244) on :
 
^ kinna like you learning that Lucy Dawidowicz was not primary source backed?
 

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Posted by e3b1c1 (Member # 16338) on :
 
samuel because the pheonician carry k2 y haplogroup doesnt make that white marker k2
in lebanon is 4.7%
e1b1b1c1 -m34 is 4% in lebanon
they are in the same frequency
the pheonicians also carry m34 thats why we see it in cyprus and sicily check the pheonician genes research go to the supplemental data
about f euroasian agree but not white since some of F descendents are mongolid i gave you examples haplogroup o and haplogroup Q which is related to haplogroup R is also mongolid native americans and chinese dont look white sorry man
they just dont
e3b1c1
 

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Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
 
prmiddleeastern aka "prmix" from the race loon forums wrote:
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Yes, I would do when I find one with that ancestry.
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Translation: I won't do it because I know that if I do I will wind up getting my fat down syndrome looking ass kicked. I also won't do it because it ruins my race fantasies and mythologies.
 

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Posted by prmiddleeastern (Member # 14038) on :
 

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Originally posted by argyle104:
prmiddleeastern aka "prmix" from the race loon forums wrote:Translation: I won't do it because I know that if I do I will wind up getting my fat down syndrome looking ass kicked. I also won't do it because it ruins my race fantasies and mythologies.

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Originally posted by The Explorer:
But now that you mentioned it,

1)What evidence do you have that suggests K2 emerged in your so-called "West Asia"; where specifically in that area, and in which specific population?

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T is a rare haplogroup in Europe (less than 1% of the population). It originated around the Red Sea (maybe in Ethiopia) at least 30,000 years ago, making it one of the oldest haplogroups found in Eurasia. It is most common in north-east Africa and the west coast of the Arabian peninsula, where it accounts for approximately 5 to 8% of the male lineages. Besides these regions and Europe, T is found as far as southern India, Russia, Tanzania and Cameroon. Its highest density is actually found among the Fulbe people of Cameroon (18% of the population).
Within Europe there are a few pockets with surprisingly high densities of haplogroup T, like the town of Sciacca in Sicily (18%), on the Spanish island of Ibiza (17%) or Serbia (7%). The populations of Italy, Portugal, Greece, and (oddly enough) Estonia, all have between 3 and 4% of haplogroup T.

The spread of haplogroup T in Europe is closely linked to the expansion of E1b1b from Egypt and the Near East to the Balkans and Danube basin. Its presence around the Mediterranean can be attributed to the Phoenicians colonisation (1200-800 BCE). The pocket in Estonia might be due to a founder effect in the region's Jewish population. Among famous people, Thomas Jefferson belonged to haplogroup T.

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When did it emerge; were "white people" around then, and if so, according to what tangible evidence?

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Just because some non-African group presumably happens to share a clade, makes it "white ancestry"; on what planet does that make sense?

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"West Asians" share P2 markers with mainland Africans; does this then make P2 "white ancestry", per your reasoning?

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Ps - I know that you probably won't learn this from browsing wikipedia, but Fulani are not confined to one region; rather they are spread across western Africa, with some refuge in Sudan. So a small Fulani sample in say, Cameroon, is not the sum total of what Fulani is in Cameroon itself, let alone elsewhere. An no, they don't live amidst settler "white caucasoids". Have you learned something new today? I hope so. [/QB]

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
samuel because the pheonician carry k2 y haplogroup doesnt make that white marker k2
in lebanon is 4.7%
e1b1b1c1 -m34 is 4% in lebanon
they are in the same frequency
the pheonicians also carry m34 thats why we see it in cyprus and sicily check the pheonician genes research go to the supplemental data
about f euroasian agree but not white since some of F descendents are mongolid i gave you examples haplogroup o and haplogroup Q which is related to haplogroup R is also mongolid native americans and chinese dont look white sorry man
they just dont

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Originally posted by prmiddleeastern:

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
samuel because the pheonician carry k2 y haplogroup doesnt make that white marker k2
in lebanon is 4.7%
e1b1b1c1 -m34 is 4% in lebanon
they are in the same frequency
the pheonicians also carry m34 thats why we see it in cyprus and sicily check the pheonician genes research go to the supplemental data
about f euroasian agree but not white since some of F descendents are mongolid i gave you examples haplogroup o and haplogroup Q which is related to haplogroup R is also mongolid native americans and chinese dont look white sorry man
they just dont

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Clade Origins is what makes its ancestry, not what populations carry the clades and yes F is Eurasian.

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Originally posted by argyle104:
Folks,


downy aka prmiddleeastern is a typical participant in the race loon forums.


He obsesses African Americans/Africans and needs desperately to have any of them who doesn't fit his racial fantasy of what an African looks like, to be this fantasy of being "mixed".


You see the fantasy is created because Africans who are deemed to have a similar look to the Ancient Egyptians cannot possibly be unmixed Africans because if they were it would be bad news for the Eurocentrists.


There would be no way for the Euros to lay claim to Ancient Egypt. The "mixed" myth in the mind of the Eurocentrist will allow him to lay such claim to an African culture and history.

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That is a very unassertive assumption form your part.
 

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Posted by prmiddleeastern (Member # 14038) on :
 

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
my immpresion is that samuel is a racist
who hates africans
is hate is even more to the e1b1b1 because
it actuley left africa and fucked is white bitches in western asia iberia and the balkan
as somalid v13 said well the europids are also enemy of the somalid race
so i define him as enemy along the neo-negroid e3a both wants to dipresed the somalid race e1b1b1
e3b1c1

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Another unassertive assumption.
 

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Posted by prmiddleeastern (Member # 14038) on :
 

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Originally posted by astenb:
Ok then so you are incorrect by calling an ancestral marker "White" right?
There is no place such as "Whitistan"
Ask yourself really, where do "White" People come from. How long have they been around. Now how long have such markers been around. [/QB]

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They come from West Asia, where the variation first appeared, as the Asian variation(Chinese, Koreans, Japanese) first appeared in Asia.But Caucasians were pigmented when they lived in West Asia(Arabs, Persians), but got their depigmentation when going up north to Europe because of the cold climate and different environment, so Europe could be called Whitistan because that is where the white skin mutation ocurred.
 

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Posted by e3b1c1 (Member # 16338) on :
 
what your point so the palestinians are europeans since 99% of them carry slc24a5 derived
allel
and also 57% of them carry slc45a2 derived alle
which is the european varient
your assumapation that middle eastern were pigmented is not correct only arabians are more dark
the levant were i live i see palestinians every day they are white evidence by the above slc24a5 and slc45a2
e3b1c1
 

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Posted by prmiddleeastern (Member # 14038) on :
 

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
what your point so the palestinians are europeans since 99% of them carry slc24a5 derived
allel
and also 57% of them carry slc45a2 derived alle
which is the european varient
your assumapation that middle eastern were pigmented is not correct only arabians are more dark
the levant were i live i see palestinians every day they are white evidence by the above slc24a5 and slc45a2
e3b1c1

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
that morrocans and algerians are natiave africans but no one call them black

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Originally posted by prmiddleeastern:

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Originally posted by astenb:
Ok then so you are incorrect by calling an ancestral marker "White" right?
There is no place such as "Whitistan"
Ask yourself really, where do "White" People come from. How long have they been around. Now how long have such markers been around.

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They come from West Asia, where the variation first appeared, as the Asian variation(Chinese, Koreans, Japanese) first appeared in Asia.But Caucasians were pigmented when they lived in West Asia(Arabs, Persians), but got their depigmentation when going up north to Europe because of the cold climate and different environment, so Europe could be called Whitistan because that is where the white skin mutation ocurred. [/QB]

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
understand your point
but even the native m81 cousins look mediterreanean phenotypicly ask any anthropologist will tell you that they are very diffrent from the subsharid phenotyp even
thats why e1b1b1 is defined as medeterreanean acording to the genetic atlas site as oposed to the neo-negroid e3a becuase the e1b1b1 many of them are mediterreanean phenotypicly
e3b1c1

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Like these?

[img] http://www.everyculture.com/multi/images/gema_01_img0082.jpg [/img]




These are M81 people
 

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Posted by e3b1c1 (Member # 16338) on :
 
no ediot
as said your hate for e1b1b1 is well pronanunced
ther guy in picture is from the horn of africa
he is probably m78-v32 not m81 since this clade absent from this area
m81 is north west african clade whioch also exists in iberia
antonio banderas is m81 he look mediterreanean
no way around it
e3b1c1
 

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Posted by prmiddleeastern (Member # 14038) on :
 
How do you know it, have you seen antonio banderas DNA results, have he done a test, shpw me a proof of it.

This is some data i found about M81:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E1b1b

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E1b1b1b (E-M81) is the most common Y chromosome haplogroup in the Maghreb, dominated by its sub-clade E-M183. It is thought to have originated in the area of North Africa 5,600 years ago.[1][42] It is colloquially referred to as the "Berber marker" for its prevalence among Mozabite, Moyen Atlas, Kabyle and other Amazigh groups, E-M81 is also quite common among North African Arab groups. It reaches frequencies of up to 80% in the Maghreb. This includes the Saharawish for whose men Bosch et al. (2001) reports that approximately 76% are M81+.

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
i dont belive you are an e3b as i siad i feal
that you have hate for e3b generally

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i think you are r1b
but m81 was also among the conquistadors who conquer puerto-rico and mexico it is found in those country also

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Originally posted by Evergreen:
Evergreen Writes: We need to do a better job correlating phenotype to genetics. The earliest, pre-Last Glacial Maximum Europeans entered Europe with dark skin, long limbs and crania similar to modern "Sub-Saharan" Africans.

Evergreen Posts:

Paleoamericans in a Late Pleistocene context: assessing morphological affinities
M. Hubbe et al.

Recent consensus, supported by fossil, genetic and archaeological evidence, suggests that modern humans originated in sub-Saharan Africa and expanded northward to Europe and eastward into Asia between ca. 60-30 ky. Under this scenario, the morphological differentiation seen across human geographic populations today is recent and probably occurred during the Holocene. Early American skeletons have a distinct and well described cranial morphological pattern from Late Holocene Americans. This has previously been proposed to indicate an early migration wave into the Americas, preceding colonization by Late Holocene American groups. If this interpretation is correct, Paleoamericans should show morphological similarities to earlier, generalized Late Pleistocene modern humans. Here we place Paleoamericans in the context of Late Pleistocene human variation, exploring their morphological affinities and testing for dispersal scenarios of recent human group. Our samples comprise a large set of Paleaomerican crania from Southand Mesoamerica, African and Eurasian Late Pleistocene specimens and Howell’s worldwide series of modern humans. Twenty-four
linear measurements, adjusted for size, were analyzed using Principal Components Analysis,
Canonical Variates Analysis, Mahalanobis distances (D2) and cluster analysis. Morphological distances among groups were also
compared to distance models representing distinct dispersion scenarios, using Mantel correlation tests. Results show Paleoamerican samples grouping with Upper Paleolithic Eurasians and recent African groups. Furthermore, the best fitting dispersal scenario to the morphological distances is one that considers Paleoamericans as an early expansion into the Americas, preceding much of the current human geographic diversification.

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This confirms Brace 2005 as to Europeans, and Hanihara 1996 as to early West Asians looking ike africans. So here again, we have a distant population grouping with Africans and with older Europeans (who looked like Africans).







According to Tishkoff the OOA sequence is deep sub-Saharan Africa - to -> N.E. East Africa (which is sub-saharan via Ethiopia, Kenya or Somalia) and -> then other non-African populations.


 

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Posted by zarahan (Member # 15718) on :
 
Originally posted by prmiddleeastern:
These are M81 people




>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

As to the Ethiopians, they cluster closer to other Africans than to Europeans or middle easterners:


 

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Posted by e3b1c1 (Member # 16338) on :
 
i dont know top determain all the haplogroups only by pheonotype but e3b i can determain
show me a picture and i will tell you if you are e3b or not
ps. i know how to recognize e3b
e3b1c1
 

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Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
 
So how then do we classify Andaman Islanders, Fijians, New Hebridians and New Guineans? Throw into that mix too the Asutralian Aborigenese and the now exticnt Tasmanians? None of these 2 groups is E3a or E3b. rather they are classified as Asia in terms of Hgs.

But back to North Africa. I have been to Casa Blanca in Morocco a few times. I have also flown on Air Maroc a few times too. Thus I have a pretty good idea of what the average Moroccan looks like. The average Moroccan looks like the average person in the Dominican Republic--with a sizable number looking like some Malians, Chadians, etc.

So what's all the fuss about North Africans and their supposed genotypes. To round things off: Kaddafi claims that 1/3 of Libya is "black" as he put it.
 

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Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
 
lamin wrote:
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But back to North Africa. I have been to Casa Blanca in Morocco a few times. I have also flown on Air Maroc a few times too. Thus I have a pretty good idea of what the average Moroccan looks like. The average Moroccan looks like the average person in the Dominican Republic
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HAHAHAHAHAHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!


I'mmmmmm about to poooooooosssssst!!!!!

I'mmmmmm about to poooooooosssssst!!!!!
 

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Posted by e3b1c1 (Member # 16338) on :
 
the morrocaNS ARE NOT BLACK THEY ARE MEDITERREANEAN THEY LIVE NEXT TO THE MEDITERREANEAN SEA THE EVOLUTION OF M81 WAS MAINLY IN NORTH WEST AFRICA CLOSE TO THE COAST THE DEVOLPED MEDITEREANEAN PHENOTYPE WHICH IS DIFFRENT FORM THE NEO-NEGROID E3A PHEONTYPE
MANY MORROCANS COULD PASS AS PORTUGUASE OR SPANIARDS SINCE M81 ALSO MIGRATED DURING NEOLITHIC PERIODS TO IBERIA THROUGH THE STRAIT OFF GIBRALTAR
E3B1C1
 

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Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
 
lamin wrote:
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But back to North Africa. I have been to Casa Blanca in Morocco a few times. I have also flown on Air Maroc a few times too. Thus I have a pretty good idea of what the average Moroccan looks like. The average Moroccan looks like the average person in the Dominican Republic
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North Africa

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&suggon=0&as_qdr=all&q=%22slaves+from+northern+africa%22+americas


Berbers

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=america&hl=en&suggon=0&num=100&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=berber+slaves&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&cr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_oc ct=a ny&as_d t=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images]http://www.google.com/search?as_q=america&hl=en&suggon=0&num=100&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=berber+slaves&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&cr=&as_ft=i&as_ filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_oc ct=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images


Now you see where some Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, African Americans, and others in the North and South American hemisphere and carribean got their looks.
 

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Posted by Evergreen (Member # 12192) on :
 

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
M81 WAS MAINLY IN NORTH WEST AFRICA CLOSE TO THE COAST

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
THE DEVOLPED MEDITEREANEAN PHENOTYPE WHICH IS DIFFRENT FORM THE NEO-NEGROID E3A

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But back to North Africa. I have been to Casa Blanca in Morocco a few times. I have also flown on Air Maroc a few times too. Thus I have a pretty good idea of what the average Moroccan looks like. The average Moroccan looks like the average person in the Dominican Republic--with a sizable number looking like some Malians, Chadians, etc.

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
ok but were m81 is higher the answere is the magrheb 60% or even higher m81 there compare to egypt which the last time i checked was only 8.2%

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Originally posted by argyle104:
Pink Blisters wrote:
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the morrocaNS ARE NOT BLACK THEY ARE MEDITERREANEAN
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It didn't do them any good didn't it why with slavery and colonialization.

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
who said it should help them
it only a fact that there pheontype is mediterreanean and not neo-negroid
secound they were never slaves on the contrary they were masters many of the barbary pirates were m81 who took 1,000,000 medterreanean european for slavery as io siad m81 is a legend
e3b1c1

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
who cares how the original m81

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Originally posted by Evergreen:

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
who cares how the original m81

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Evergreen Writes: e3b1c1, no need to get so angry. I thought you were trying to make the false claim that the original E-M81 carriers were "Caucasoid". If you agree with me that they were of a tropical African background then we have no debate. Of course as you know these Black warriors ruled Iberia for over 1,000 years (beginning in the Punic period). As these men traveled back and forth between Iberia and their African homeland they naturally took wives and concubines from the Iberian women. This is why we see most NW Africans today with the tropical African E-M81 lineage on the male side and the Iberian H1, V and H3 lineages on the female side.

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
i mean they are caucasoide because m81 only exist above the e quarter it a fact
you cant denay

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
it it doesnt axist in the horn of africa among dark skin people like m78 and m34
thats why i defined m81 as cucasoide

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Originally posted by Yonis2:
[QUOTE]So Evergreen, how did Maghrebis look like before procreating with iberian females and others?

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Evergreen Writes: They probably looked like other indigenous NE Africans of the time. The modern Beja/Bisharin, Teda/Toubou and Darfur peoples are a good example of the range of phenotypes which would have been in play at that time.

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
i dont think m35 derived deep in the heaort of africa

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
it isnt negroid linage

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Originally posted by Yonis2:
[QUOTE]What i don't understand is how NE africans spread the whole way to NW africa and established the dominating lineage there while the next door west africa never spread their lineage in that part of northern Africa, what was the barrier,

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Evergreen Writes: No barrier. NW Africa was basically depopulated prior to the neolithic era. There were humans in NW Africa during this period, but the population density was so low in comparison to NE Africa that there is little remaining impact from the Paleolithic NW African groups.

For reference you should read:

A Predominantly Neolithic Origin for Y-Chromosomal DNA Variation in North Africa

By Barbara Arredi
 

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Posted by Yonis2 (Member # 11348) on :
 
Thanks

I also want to say that you are among the few posters at this forum that i respect, your posts are always high quality and informative.
 

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Posted by e3b1c1 (Member # 16338) on :
 
evergreen i am silly than tell me what is sub sharan about m81 and most europeans belong to e-v13 nothing sub sharan about this clade which arose in western asia
if i will go farther back in time than you r1b
genetic enemy of th e1b1b1 stock you are rellated to native americans who look mongolid
in there facial features as you know haplogroup p from which descendents haplogroup R and haplogroup q i dont consider r1b as purely european as real european infact i belive the true europeans are haplogroup I
E3B1C1
 

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Posted by Evergreen (Member # 12192) on :
 

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
tell me what is sub sharan about m81

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
and most europeans belong to e-v13 nothing sub sharan about this clade which arose in western asia

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Originally posted by e3b1c1:
who said it should help them
it only a fact that there pheontype is mediterreanean and not neo-negroid
secound they were never slaves on the contrary they were masters many of the barbary pirates were m81 who took 1,000,000 medterreanean european for slavery as io siad m81 is a legend
e3b1c1

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Speaking of racist....
 

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Posted by ackee (Member # 16371) on :
 
@ abc123lie who said;secound they were never slaves on the contrary they were masters many of the barbary pirates were m81 who took 1,000,000 medterreanean european for slavery as io siad m81 is a legend
e3b1c1.

My question to you is who the hell was Estevanico,where did he come from,what was he doing in Arizonia.Also who the hell was Leo Africanus,what was he doing in Europe how did he got there.Who was Terence Afer,where was he from
how did he got to Rome.
 

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Posted by Sundjata (Member # 13096) on :
 

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Originally posted by zarahan:
1- The Fulani are mostly "white" people

On Matilda's march 2008 blog post, "Racial Differences in Skull Shape", in the context of her post, she clearly implies that the West African Fulani are Caucasoid. Since she only conceives of "blacks" as somewhere distantly south of the Sahara, the term "Eurasian" is often used as a stand-in label for 'Caucasoid." Quote:

" the Fulani have some Eurasian ancestry as well; the men of Cameroon have 40% Eurasian Y chromosomes.


However HLA analysis confirms no such finding on the Fulani:


Tissue Antigens. 2001 Feb;57(2):128-37. Links
HLA class I in three West African ethnic groups: genetic distances from sub-Saharan and Caucasoid populations.Modiano D, Luoni G, Petrarca V, Sodiomon Sirima B, De Luca M, Simporé J, Coluzzi M, Bodmer JG, Modiano G.


"Fulani of Burkina Faso (West Africa) are a particularly interesting ethnic group because of their lower susceptibility to Plasmodium falciparum malaria as compared to sympatric populations, Mossi and Rimaibé. Moreover, the occurrence of a Caucasoid component in their genetic make-up has been suggested on the basis of their physical traits and cultural traditions even though this view was not supported by genetic studies... Our study does not suggest the involvement of HLA I in the higher resistance to malaria of Fulani, and confirms a low, if any, Caucasoid component in their gene pool.


So can we indeed say the Fulani are mostly white people? If the study of Hassan et al. 2008 on the Sudanese is taken as "proof" of the white Fulani, it shows that out of 26 Fulani, 14 were shown to have R1. But does this mean that 14/26 or 54% of the Fulani are "white"?

In addition, R1 is found mostly in Africa, so how does it become "Eurasian" and how do the Fulani become 54% 'White"? This is the deceptive approach Madilda and her trolls have been pushing acorss a wide area. In Wikipedia article after Wikipedia article the same sleight of hand, deceptive labeling, and misinformation is being inserted, with "references" added to give the deception the gloss of respectability.


2- Men of the Cameroon have 40% "white" Y-chromosones? Nubians 60% white?

As for the men of the Cameroon having 40% Eurasian Y and by her standard implication 'Caucasoid', this seems shaky. Any data on this? From whence this boldly claimed "40%" figure? Althiough she advances these claims in several blog posts, Madilda often does not give a direct citation as to how she derived her "race percentages." But note the sleight of hand at work. Using her "percentage" approach one can see they are based mostly on label manipulation, just add up elements CONVENIENTLY labeled as "Eurasian" such as R1, and there you have it- instant whiteness. Deceptive moles are then dispatched to Wikipedia to add "information."

But lets take an actual quote purporting to support the white Cameroonians example. The sleight of hand becomes noticeable again.

Here's the actual quote:
From Mulcare 2004 study: Quote: "found R1* Y chromosomes at an average frequency of 40% in several northern Cameroonian groups, including one Fulbe group."

However on Madilda's blog, "several northern Cameroonian groups" suddenly and curiously is translated into ALL Cameroon males. Notice the pattern of deception and misinformation?


3- Migrating Caucasoids to sub-Saharan Africa? West Africa? Adams (2006) throws doubt on certain 'backflow' notions.

According to Hassan on the R-P25 haplogroup: "We have recently shown that this haplogroup is strongly associated with the sickle cell gene" and interestingly enough, Hassan's study throws some doubt on the Caucasoid to Africa migration theory based on SNP markers, citing Adams (2006). Quote:

Among other groups with a relatively large population
size are the Hausa and Copts. Hausa display elevated
frequencies of the haplogroup R-P25, which is considered
as an evidence for back migration from Asia to Sub-
Saharan Africa (Cruciani et al., 2002), although a recent
study questions the reliability of this marker being used
in singularity (Adams et al., 2006).
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ANd here's what Adams says:

Because of its inherent instability, we suggest that P25 be used with caution in forensic studies, and perhaps replaced with the more reliable binary marker M269.
(Forensic Sci Int. 2006 May 25;159(1):14-20.The case of the unreliable SNP: recurrent back-mutation of Y-chromosomal marker P25 through gene conversion. -Adams SM, King TE, Bosch E, Jobling MA.)


Explorer's blog breaks down the R1 issue debunking numerous claims in the process, perhaps explaining why Madilda and her ilk sometimes screen or hide their "race percentage" methods or "calculations".

http://exploring-africa.blogspot.com/2008/09/more-on-r1-m173-bearers.html
http://exploring-africa.blogspot.com/2008/01/r1-m173-in-africa.html

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Originally posted by zarahan:
1- The Fulani are mostly "white" people

On Matilda's march 2008 blog post, "Racial Differences in Skull Shape", in the context of her post, she clearly implies that the West African Fulani are Caucasoid. Since she only conceives of "blacks" as somewhere distantly south of the Sahara, the term "Eurasian" is often used as a stand-in label for 'Caucasoid." Quote:

" the Fulani have some Eurasian ancestry as well; the men of Cameroon have 40% Eurasian Y chromosomes.


However HLA analysis confirms no such finding on the Fulani:


Tissue Antigens. 2001 Feb;57(2):128-37. Links
HLA class I in three West African ethnic groups: genetic distances from sub-Saharan and Caucasoid populations.Modiano D, Luoni G, Petrarca V, Sodiomon Sirima B, De Luca M, Simporé J, Coluzzi M, Bodmer JG, Modiano G.


"Fulani of Burkina Faso (West Africa) are a particularly interesting ethnic group because of their lower susceptibility to Plasmodium falciparum malaria as compared to sympatric populations, Mossi and Rimaibé. Moreover, the occurrence of a Caucasoid component in their genetic make-up has been suggested on the basis of their physical traits and cultural traditions even though this view was not supported by genetic studies... Our study does not suggest the involvement of HLA I in the higher resistance to malaria of Fulani, and confirms a low, if any, Caucasoid component in their gene pool.


So can we indeed say the Fulani are mostly white people? If the study of Hassan et al. 2008 on the Sudanese is taken as "proof" of the white Fulani, it shows that out of 26 Fulani, 14 were shown to have R1. But does this mean that 14/26 or 54% of the Fulani are "white"?

In addition, R1 is found mostly in Africa, so how does it become "Eurasian" and how do the Fulani become 54% 'White"? This is the deceptive approach Madilda and her trolls have been pushing acorss a wide area. In Wikipedia article after Wikipedia article the same sleight of hand, deceptive labeling, and misinformation is being inserted, with "references" added to give the deception the gloss of respectability.


2- Men of the Cameroon have 40% "white" Y-chromosones? Nubians 60% white?

As for the men of the Cameroon having 40% Eurasian Y and by her standard implication 'Caucasoid', this seems shaky. Any data on this? From whence this boldly claimed "40%" figure? Although she advances these claims in several blog posts, Madilda often does not give a direct citation as to how she derived her "race percentages." But note the sleight of hand at work. Using her "percentage" approach one can see they are based mostly on label manipulation, just add up elements CONVENIENTLY labeled as "Eurasian" such as R1, and there you have it- instant whiteness. Deceptive moles are then dispatched to Wikipedia to add "information."

But lets take an actual quote purporting to support the white Cameroonians example. The sleight of hand becomes noticeable again.

Here's the actual quote:
From Mulcare 2004 study: Quote: "found R1* Y chromosomes at an average frequency of 40% in several northern Cameroonian groups, including one Fulbe group."

However on Madilda's blog, "several northern Cameroonian groups" suddenly and curiously is translated into ALL Cameroon males. Notice the pattern of deception and misinformation?


3- Migrating Caucasoids to sub-Saharan Africa? West Africa? Adams (2006) throws doubt on certain 'backflow' notions.

According to Hassan on the R-P25 haplogroup: "We have recently shown that this haplogroup is strongly associated with the sickle cell gene" and interestingly enough, Hassan's study throws some doubt on the Caucasoid to Africa migration theory based on SNP markers, citing Adams (2006). Quote:

Among other groups with a relatively large population
size are the Hausa and Copts. Hausa display elevated
frequencies of the haplogroup R-P25, which is considered
as an evidence for back migration from Asia to Sub-
Saharan Africa (Cruciani et al., 2002), although a recent
study questions the reliability of this marker being used
in singularity (Adams et al., 2006).
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ANd here's what Adams says:

Because of its inherent instability, we suggest that P25 be used with caution in forensic studies, and perhaps replaced with the more reliable binary marker M269.
(Forensic Sci Int. 2006 May 25;159(1):14-20.The case of the unreliable SNP: recurrent back-mutation of Y-chromosomal marker P25 through gene conversion. -Adams SM, King TE, Bosch E, Jobling MA.)


Explorer's blog breaks down the R1 issue debunking numerous claims in the process, perhaps explaining why Madilda and her ilk sometimes screen or hide their "race percentage" methods or "calculations".

http://exploring-africa.blogspot.com/2008/09/more-on-r1-m173-bearers.html
http://exploring-africa.blogspot.com/2008/01/r1-m173-in-africa.html

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Actually somebody needs to put up a Wikipedia site or sites on the relatively rampant pathology that can be called "Whitaephilia" represented by the Broomhilda blog. This offshoot of what has been rightly called "Negrophobia" started when Carleton Coon, a rather deranged eugenicist whom nobody but the Euronut of today takes seriously, decided to mix up the anthropological category of so-called Nordic with that of so-called and equally elusive "Negro" in order to hide the fact that the direct ancestors of modern European peoples contributed little to early neolithic and megalithic civilization or for that matter populations in Europe or Eurasia. It has been evolving steadily and in varied ways ever since.
 

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