You guys are creating a heck of a reputation for yourselves around the globe. And unfortunately, some of it will spill over to decent, respectful African Americans. Afrocentrists are going out of their way insulting every indigenous group with their *culture vulturism* When will these people stop with the hijacking of other people's history?
An Indian woman responds to Runoko Rashidi's false claims on India -
quote:Originally posted by Yonis2: This guy below is weird,
LOL! This coming from a black self hating African refugee who surfs StormFront and makes up sh!t about a "Somalid" master race. LOL!
Posted by Recovering Afrocentrist (Member # 17311) on :
Oh yea! I remember that fool! He made a video about his native american ancestry. He decided to do the genetic ancestry test. Guess what the result was? EUROPEAN (LOL)!
quote:Originally posted by Yonis2: This guy below is weird, he thinks indians are more african than him because they live closer to africa and are darker than him, impressive logic.
quote:Originally posted by Yonis2: This guy below is weird,
LOL! This coming from a black self hating African refugee who surfs StormFront and makes up sh!t about a "Somalid" master race. LOL!
He has the same twisted logic as you,can understand why you feel connected to his reasoning
"HOOW CAn an InDian whoo's blaackier than moiy be lees african than moiy when hies closer to Afriga than moiy" Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
The caste system of India has been severely impacted by years of foreign migrations to India. Skin color was not a major factor in social stratification in India originally. However, as the Persians, Greeks, Muslims and then Europeans conquered India, they all had a tremendous impact on the system of social ranking based on color. If you look at ancient art and statues from India in the earliest periods, you can even see the foreign impact. Those areas which were part of the Greek domains had Hindu art and sculpture that depicted the Indians as almost Greek looking. Hindu art and sculpture from the South looked more Indian and definitely portrayed darker skinned people. Once the Muslims took over Indian art became more and more white washed, with figures portrayed in almost pure white tones which by any measure is totally unrealistic in the multi hued environment of India. This is because many of the invaders were lighter skinned and since they invaded and were able to take power, a lot of the upper "castes" became much more lighter than others. The British played up on this and expanded it during their rule in India, creating their own social and "racial" variations on the caste system, through their administration of the country. Some of the elite put in place by the British had British blood as a result of this period of their history, which was a way for the British to "legitimize" their rule over India. They also implemented the system of racial education and indoctrination that was common throughout the colonial world which had a lot to do with twisting the history of India to support the notions of white supremacy. All of this has played a part in the development of modern Indian ideas and perceptions about "race".
The best example of the overt racist and skin color based mindset of the foreign oriented elite is bollywood. Bollywood movies feature characters that are almost exclusively at the LIGHTEST end of the spectrum and looking as much like the European "ideal" as possible. Much of the modeling and entertainment industry follows the same pattern along with the beauty pageants. And all of this is due to British, European and other foreign influence in India.
However, that said, the current system of castes or social status, wealth and power is not certainly not strictly segregated along "racial" lines as in the US or Europe. There are light and dark skinned people at all levels of social status in India. So it is definitely not good to make generalizations. The issue though is that there seems to be the greatest majority of darker skinned Indians at the lower ends of the social ladder, even though all dark skinned Indians are certainly not poor or at the bottom of the social ladder in India.
Given all of that, the history of India is one in which various foreign elements, most recently European elements, have tried to usurp the history of India and put white skin at the forefront. This also plays a part in the development of anthropology on the population in India which was also impacted by racist foreign ideas. That is how the concept of the Aryan invasion theory became prominent. The fact is that ancient India built by native Indians many of whom were darker skinned. Likewise the biological fact is that the aboriginal populations of India like the rest of Asia are undeniably black. Therefore, any idea that blacks somehow had no role as other than simply low cast people throughout history is simply false, even if the forces of white supremacy have been playing a role in the Indian continent throughout its history.
And there is no denying that there are many issues of social justice that need to be dealt with in India. There are issues with treatment of women and children, especially among the lower classes.
As an example of the white skin craze in the media in India, note the difference in complexion between the people in the poster and the people on the street: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ezee123/2270709976/
In fact, the images below are the typical of the white "ideal" seen in Indian media, which totally DOES NOT reflect the diverse features and complexions in the population.
Bottom line the idea that blacks somehow created the notions of RACISM on this planet is simply another example of the ENDLESS NONSENSE that is white supremacy. They cannot simply accept the facts for what they are and must LIE to not only DISTORT history but to cover up the fact that they are the biggest LIARS, DECEIVERS, THIEVES and MURDERERS to begin with.
Posted by zarry (Member # 17151) on :
get a life hun
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
quote:Originally posted by Yonis2: [QB][/QB]
Refugee, everyone in here knows you're the resident black African crackpot theorist. Your wacky theories are on the same level as those of Dirk et al. lol
Posted by Recovering Afrocentrist (Member # 17311) on :
Sorry to bust your bubble but i don't claim people as African just because they have dark skin. I will leave that to the Afronuts on this board.
quote:Originally posted by Yonis2:
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
quote:Originally posted by Yonis2: This guy below is weird,
LOL! This coming from a black self hating African refugee who surfs StormFront and makes up sh!t about a "Somalid" master race. LOL!
He has the same twisted logic as you,can understand why you feel connected to his reasoning
"HOOW CAn an InDian whoo's blaackier than moiy be lees african than moiy when hies closer to Afriga than moiy"
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Simply put, the idea that a country of so many dark and very dark people somehow CAME FROM WHITES or IS WHITE is simply the STUPID RIDICULOUS nonsense of WHITE RACISTS.
Let's stay foccused here. Is any indian in the photos you provided African Black?
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Simply put, the idea that a country of so many dark and very dark people somehow CAME FROM WHITES or IS WHITE is simply the STUPID RIDICULOUS nonsense of WHITE RACISTS.
Posted by Yonis2 (Member # 11348) on :
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
quote:Originally posted by Yonis2:
Refugee, everyone in here knows you're the resident black African crackpot theorist. Your wacky theories are on the same level as those of Dirk et al. lol
Care to explain how your fufu ass ended up in one of those carribean islands belonging to native indians?
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Doug M i think most of us know how indians look like and the physical diversity across the sub-continent. No need to always spam threads with your pics, you're not making any groundbraking revelations if that's what you think.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Rajasthan and other places(Rajasthan is where the women with the bright eyes are from above).
quote:Sorry to bust your bubble but i don't claim people as African just because they have dark skin. I will leave that to the Afronuts on this board.
Why can't you stop lying and making sh!t-up non on this board ever said dark-skinned equals African not even the proponents of race as a phenotype.for them a set of rules most follow such as features etc...and most contributers do not agree even when those combinations of features are present, I am going to respond to the Chinese thread in this one why you need two or three thread on the same basic issue Jaime is beyond me. The Black Mongols and the dignateries is a thread that I posted about African traders in Asia...if you read the thread carefully you would know I take pains to distinguish between the two Africans and Black Asians...and would it ease your trouble soul if all black people the world over start calling themselves dark?? how does that fix your phoebia Dirk..Oh I mean Afronutslayer,Jamie,Salassin.that move would just compound your problem don't you think??.....and just think about this, you posted a thread earlier this summer about Ponds racist cm in India right after I posted the same http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDnr2vN_9EU&feature=sub IF there are "BLACK FOLKS" all over the globe in seemingly out of the way places you think they should not be It's because "BLACK FOLKS " were the 1st Folks on the globe your impotent protest not-withstanding.
Marco Polo's Notes On India Dark skin is highly esteemed among these people. ‘When a child is born they anoint him once a week with oil of sesame, and this makes him grow much darker’. No wonder their gods are all black ‘and their devils white as snow.
That's how ^ Indians used to roll
Posted by StTigray (Member # 16910) on :
Sorry to tell you guys that, if it loooks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. It is most probable that it is a duck
Posted by Recovering Afrocentrist (Member # 17311) on :
Are you serious Brada? Go speak to your buddy Clyde Winters and his ridicolous claim origina Chinese were Black Africans. On second though.... GO FVCK YOURSELF.
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Non-Recovering Alcoholic
quote:Sorry to bust your bubble but i don't claim people as African just because they have dark skin. I will leave that to the Afronuts on this board.
Why can't you stop lying and making sh!t-up non on this board ever said dark-skinned equals African not even the proponents of race as a phenotype.for them a set of rules most follow such as features etc...and most contributers do not agree even when those combinations of features are present, I am going to respond to the Chinese thread in this one why you need two or three thread on the same basic issue Jaime is beyond me. The Black Mongols and the dignateries is a thread that I posted about African traders in Asia...if you read the thread carefully you would know I take pains to distinguish between the two Africans and Black Asians...and would it ease your trouble soul if all black people the world over start calling themselves dark?? how does that fix your phoebia Dirk..Oh I mean Afronutslayer,Jamie,Salassin.that move would just compound your problem don't you think??.....and just think about this, you posted a thread earlier this summer about Ponds racist cm in India right after I posted the same http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDnr2vN_9EU&feature=sub IF there are "BLACK FOLKS" all over the globe in seemingly out of the way places you think they should not be It's because "BLACK FOLKS " were the 1st Folks on the globe your impotent protest not-withstanding.
Marco Polo's Notes On India Dark skin is highly esteemed among these people. ‘When a child is born they anoint him once a week with oil of sesame, and this makes him grow much darker’. No wonder their gods are all black ‘and their devils white as snow.
That's how ^ Indians used to roll
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Non Recovering Alcoholic
quote:Are you serious Brada? Go speak to your buddy Clyde Winters and his ridicolous claim origina Chinese were Black Africans. On second though.... GO FVCK YOURSELF.
Yes I am serious Marco Polo did note that!!..Dr Winters can handle his own bidness...his theories and thoughts are not my own... Why should I fu!ck me when yo mamma can suck me and make us both happy. faag!! yeah I edit the 1st draft too digusting even for me,
Posted by markellion (Member # 14131) on :
Any color prejudice that might exist in India comes entirely from the British
“The natural history of man: or, Popular chapters on ethnography” 1851 By John Kennedy
quote:The varieties of complexion prevailing among the Hindoos, who are Caucasians, are very noticeable. Bishop Heber was much struck, on his first arrival in Calcutta, by the great difference in colour between different natives. "Of the crowd by whom we were surrounded, some were black as Negroes, others merely copper colored, and others little darker than the Tunisians whom I have seen at Liverpool. Mr. Mill, the Principal of Bishop's College, who had come down to meet me, and who has seen more of India than most men, tells me that he cannot account for this difference, which is general throughout the country, and everywhere striking. It is not merely the difference of exposure, since this variety of tint is visible in the fishermen, who are all naked alike. Nor does it depend on caste, since very high caste Brahmins are sometimes black, while Pariahs are comparatively white.
Posted by markellion (Member # 14131) on :
I think the high status that many Siddi had refutes the idea that Muslims brought some kind of color prejudice. The Romans were brutal too but they didn't need to create a strict racial system
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
Indian color prejudice goes back at least to teh time of the coming of Scytho-Indic peoples to the area of the Indi (along the Indus) several hundred years B.C..
There is also diversity in hair type.
Dravidan holy man
Bondo belong to the Sabara Kol(so-called Austric group)
Another Bondo woman
Woman of Dankariyya tribe another ("Austric" group)
markellion - The White mans FEAR (not hatred) of the Black man, his numbers, and his capabilities, is well known and understood. No need for the grisly reminders of his barbarianism.
Rather, you should daily post reminders of his lies and deceit; to remind the weak-minded Negroes among us, those who were unable to maintain their sense of self, and withstand the psychological warfare waged against them since birth.
You younger ones should ask the older crew about how they were taught as children that Blacks couldn't be Quarterbacks, coaches, businessmen, etc. etc. because they lacked the mental capacity.
Some weak-minded Negroes believed them!
Now we see that not only can Blacks do these things, they are superior to Whites.
And THAT is what the lies and deceit were really all about - FEAR!
The fear that the Black man would one day re-gather himself and retake what was formerly his.
That's the whole point of the Afroidiots presence here; trying vainly to hold back the tide.
Posted by Ebony Allen (Member # 12771) on :
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afrocentrist: WOW! Those are some beautiful gem eyes!
Creepy.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afrocentrist: You guys are creating a heck of a reputation for yourselves around the globe. And unfortunately, some of it will spill over to decent, respectful African Americans. Afrocentrists are going out of their way insulting every indigenous group with their *culture vulturism* When will these people stop with the hijacking of other people's history?
An Indian woman responds to Runoko Rashidi's false claims on India -
Myself, I prefer to go by genetic grouping of people. Indians do have an African connection in terms of M1 but by enlarge they are part of the European clade. Both their genes and language makes it clear that the predominant type of Indian is closely related to European people.
What I find interesting about Indians is that they do have a great deal of cultural similarities to us Africans. Obviously they have some phenotypical traits that are the same as well but its their music and dance that makes them seem very African.
I think the Black African phenotype connections probably comes from an aboriginal Melanesian population that existed their before they migrated further into Asia as well as in situ evolution.
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
Everyone knows modern Indians have a largely Iranic or "Eurasiatic" connection.
As for the black populations sometimes it not about what we think. There is reason to believe a large part of the Austric speakers or Melanesian component originally had links to or origins in African populations since the neolithic.
Aside from biological connections which show Nilotic types made their way over to the Indus. There are also many cultural connections, a very tight linguistic connection and many deities that are clearly of African affiliation, including Murugan, Mangala, Amma, Taita to name a few. The dozens of cultural connections have been brought up by both Western and Dravidian scholars. Whole books have been written on this topic by the latter.
Many of the Gond, from which come the Parja and other Dravidic speakers are indistinguishable from Central Africans.
Gond woman
Gond young man
Gond bowmen
Dankariyyah of Orissa
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Obviously the first people of India, Iran and South Asia were black Aboriginal types. Some had the curly hair of the Negritoes and some had the straight hair of the Australian Aboriginal type. They all descend from Aboriginal Africans of various types. Trying to claim that the diversity of the various black populations of India is due to white "features" is simply nonsense, because the truth is the opposite is true. The features of whites is due to the diversity of aboriginal blacks world wide before they became white. Racial typologies based on features and hair types have no application when it comes to the aboriginal populations of the earth because they came in all shapes sizes and features..... THAT is the true lesson in OOA, which is that ALL FEATURES ultimately originate in Africa and among aboriginal blacks, except white skin of course.
Racism is simply an argument against nature and the facts of biology. Obviously you aren't going to fight against biology and nature and expect to win in the long run. Nature and biology represent infinite creation and diversity. Sticking to one aspect of that diversity as symbolic of all life or all nature is simply dumb and retarded. Such a concept of life will only lead to man's destruction of himself as he cannot accept himself and life for what it is. Obviously if this happens then it only means that man's brain, mind and consciousness were not able to adjust to the universe and nature as it is and therefore died out. That is the ultimate crucible or test against man's existence is going to be weighed against, as nature and the universe will continue creation as it has always has for infinity.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] Obviously the first people of India, Iran and South Asia were black Aboriginal types.
Modern Iranians and Indians are the closely related to Aryans not crackers. Blacks are the real Jews not crackers.
Black Elamites were the real Iranians that created the Iranian civilization not crackers.
Blacks were the real Olmecs not crackers.
Blacks established the xia dynasty of China not crackers. Blacks were the real Sumerians not crackers.
And Blacks ESTABLISHED Kemet not crackers.
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: Everyone knows modern Indians have a largely Iranic or "Eurasiatic" connection.
As for the black populations sometimes it not about what we think. There is reason to believe a large part of the Austric speakers or Melanesian component originally had links to or origins in African populations since the neolithic.
Aside from biological connections which show Nilotic types made their way over to the Indus. There are also many cultural connections, a very tight linguistic connection and many deities that are clearly of African affiliation, including Murugan, Mangala, Amma, Taita to name a few. The dozens of cultural connections have been brought up by both Western and Dravidian scholars. Whole books have been written on this topic by the latter.
Many of the Gond, from which come the Parja and other Dravidic speakers are indistinguishable from Central Africans.
Gond woman
Gond young man
Gond bowmen
Dankariyyah of Orissa
Good points. If you want to know more about the Indo-Aryans of India check out my video
Not for nothing but... That **** means fvcking nothing to Indians. You think they want some Negro telling them their forefathers were Africans? They'd look at you like a fool. Let's face it, the only as*holes concerned w/writing up that sort of pseudo history is your irresponsible, self hating, not content with their own history, hijackers of other's history Afronutcases.
Let us reason for a sec, dont you think this version of history promoted by Afrocentrists should be taught to the Indians? Yet the only people being taught this version of history are a specific target group of African Americans. What does that tell you? It sure tells me that that version of history is being used for political means. What in the world can an AA gain from a history dealing with Indians? Common sense tells me that ACs should be going to India and teaching this history to them. Ah! therein lies the deception; Afrocentrism, a pseudo-history and its racial-political agenda.
quote:Originally posted by osirion:
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afrocentrist: You guys are creating a heck of a reputation for yourselves around the globe. And unfortunately, some of it will spill over to decent, respectful African Americans. Afrocentrists are going out of their way insulting every indigenous group with their *culture vulturism* When will these people stop with the hijacking of other people's history?
An Indian woman responds to Runoko Rashidi's false claims on India -
Myself, I prefer to go by genetic grouping of people. Indians do have an African connection in terms of M1 but by enlarge they are part of the European clade. Both their genes and language makes it clear that the predominant type of Indian is closely related to European people.
What I find interesting about Indians is that they do have a great deal of cultural similarities to us Africans. Obviously they have some phenotypical traits that are the same as well but its their music and dance that makes them seem very African.
I think the Black African phenotype connections probably comes from an aboriginal Melanesian population that existed their before they migrated further into Asia as well as in situ evolution.
quote:Mike 111 wrote: You younger ones should ask the older crew about how they were taught as children that Blacks couldn't be Quarterbacks, coaches, businessmen, etc. etc. because they lacked the mental capacity.
Is your screwed mentality a product of this?
No offence, but if the likes of Marc washington, You and Clyde winters are a symbol/representation of "the older crew" then i'm sure majority of sensibel people would agree that the characters of the new crew (like alTakruri, Evergreen, Explorer etc) are far more resourcefull, intelligent, dynamic and with greater potentials than the sad and rusty congregation of your reactionist old crew who produced not much of value other than the true meaning of "twisted logic"and "delusional" .
Me personally i've learned alot through the years from the new crew but nothing from the side of you and your ilks.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Black supremasict123
quote:Modern Iranians and Indians are the closely related to Aryans not crackers. Blacks are the real Jews not crackers.
Black Elamites were the real Iranians that created the Iranian civilization not crackers.
Blacks were the real Olmecs not crackers.
Blacks established the xia dynasty of China not crackers. Blacks were the real Sumerians not crackers.
And Blacks ESTABLISHED Kemet not crackers.
Hay man it's a new day and a year can't you drop the arguewithanyone racist lingo atleast while visiting here..you can make your point without relying on terms such as cracker,nigger,wop,chink,etc,etc..especially if it's un-called for.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
The name for the aboriginal black population of India is Adivasi. But this term is a subject of much speculation and controversy based on all the racial politics put forward in the last hundred years, especially by the British.
See how the wikipedia article below makes all sorts of absurd explanations of the name adivasi and its relationship to other Indian populations:
quote: Adivasi is an umbrella term for a heterogeneous set of ethnic and tribal groups believed to be the aboriginal population of India.[1][2][3] They comprise a substantial indigenous minority of the population of India.
Adivasi societies are particularly present in the Indian states of Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, Chattisgarh, Rajasthan, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh, Bihar, Jharkhand, West Bengal, Mizoram and other northeastern states, and the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. Many smaller tribal groups are quite sensitive to ecological degradation caused by modernization. Both commercial forestry and intensive agriculture have proved destructive to the forests that had endured swidden agriculture for many centuries[4]. Officially recognized by the Indian government as "Scheduled Tribes" in the Fifth Schedule of the Constitution of India, they are often grouped together with scheduled castes in the category "Scheduled Castes and Tribes", which is eligible for certain affirmative action measures. .... Although terms such as atavika (Sanskrit for forest dwellers), vanvasi or girijan (hill people)[5] are also used for the tribes of India, adivasi carries the specific meaning of being the original and autochthonous inhabitants of a given region, and was specifically coined for that purpose in the 1930s.[6] Over a period of time, unlike the terms "aborigines" or "tribes", the word "adivasi" has also developed a connotation of past autonomy which was disrupted during the British colonial period in India and has not been restored.[7] Opposition to usage of the term is varied, and it has been argued that the "original inhabitant" contention is based on dubious claims and that the adivasi - non adivasi divide that is created is artificial.[8] .... The Constitution of India, Article 366 (25) defines Scheduled Tribes as "such tribes or tribal communities or part of or groups within such tribes or tribal communities as are deemed under Article 342 to the scheduled Tribes (STs) for the purposes of this Constitution". In Article 342, the procedure to be followed for specification of a scheduled tribe is prescribed. However, it does not contain the criterion for the specification of any community as scheduled tribe. An often used criterion is based on attributes such as:-
* Geographical isolation - they live in cloistered, exclusive, remote and inhospitable areas such as hills and forests, * Backwardness - their livelihood is based on primitive agriculture, a low-value closed economy with a low level of technology which leads to their poverty. They have low levels of literacy and health. * Distinctive culture, language and religion - communities have developed their own distinctive culture, language and religion. * Shyness of contact – they have a marginal degree of contact with other cultures and people.[9] ... The Scheduled Tribe groups who were identified as more backward communities among the tribal population groups have been categorised as 'Primitive Tribal Groups' (PTGs) by the Government at the Centre in 1975. So far seventy−five tribal communities have been identified as 'primitive tribal groups' in different States of India. These hunting, food− gathering, and some agricultural communities, who have been identified as more backward communities among the tribal population groups need special programmes for their sustainable development. The primitive tribes are awakening and demanding their rights for special reservation quota for them.[10] .... There is a substantial list of Scheduled Tribes in India recognised as tribal under the Constitution of India. Tribal peoples constitute 8.2% of the nation's total population, over 84 million people according to the 2001 census. One concentration lives in a belt along the Himalayas stretching through Jammu and Kashmir, Himachal Pradesh, and Uttarakhand in the west, to Assam, Meghalaya, Tripura, Arunachal Pradesh, Mizoram, Manipur, and Nagaland in the northeast. In the northeastern states of Arunachal Pradesh, Meghalaya, Mizoram, and Nagaland, more than 90% of the population is tribal. However, in the remaining northeast states of Assam, Manipur, Sikkim, and Tripura, tribal peoples form between 20 and 30% of the population.
Another concentration lives in the hilly areas of central India (Chhattisgarh, Madhya Pradesh, Orissa and, to a lesser extent, Andhra Pradesh); in this belt, which is bounded by the Narmada River to the north and the Godavari River to the southeast, tribal peoples occupy the slopes of the region's mountains. Other tribals, including the Santals, live in Jharkhand and West Bengal. Central Indian states have the country's largest tribes, and, taken as a whole, roughly 75% of the total tribal population live there, although the tribal population there accounts for only around 10% of the region's total population.
There are smaller numbers of tribal people in Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, and Kerala in south India; in western India in Gujarat and Rajasthan, and in the union territories of Lakshadweep and the Andaman Islands and Nicobar Islands. About one percent of the populations of Kerala and Tamil Nadu are tribal, whereas about six percent in Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka are members of tribes. ... The concept of 'original inhabitant' is directly related to the initial peopling of India, which, due to the debate on topics such as the Indo-Aryan migration hypothesis, has been a contentious area of research and discourse.[11] Some anthropologists hypothesize that the region was settled by multiple human migrations over tens of millennia, which makes it even harder to select certain groups as being truly aboriginal.[12] One narrative, largely based on genetic research, describes Negritos, similar to the Andamanese adivasis of today, as the first humans to colonize India, likely 30-65 thousand years before present (kybp).[13][14] 60% of all Indians share the mtDNA haplogroup M, which is universal among Andamanese islander adivasis and might be a genetic legacy of the postulated first Indians.[15] Some anthropologists theorize that these settlers were displaced by invading Austro-Asiatic-speaking Australoid people (who largely shared skin pigmentation and physiognomy with the Negritos, but had straight rather than kinky hair), and adivasi tribes such as the Irulas trace their origins to that displacement.[16][17] The Oraon adivasi tribe of eastern India and the Korku tribe of western India are considered to be examples of groups of Australoid origin.[18][19] Subsequent to the Australoids, some anthropologists and geneticists theorize that Caucasoids (including both Dravidians and Indo-Aryans) and Mongoloids (Sino-Tibetans) immigrated into India: the Dravidians possibly from Iran,[20][21][22] the Indo-Aryans possibly from the Central Asian steppes[21][23][24] and the Tibeto-Burmans possibly from the Himalayan and north-eastern borders of the subcontinent.[25] It should be noted that none of these hypotheses is free from debate and disagreement.
Ethnic origins and linguistic affiliations in India match only inexactly, however: while the Oraon adivasis are classified as an Australoid group, their language, called Kurukh, is Dravidian.[26] Khasis and Nicobarese are considered to be Mongoloid groups[27][28] and the Munda and Santals are Australoid groups,[29][30][31] but all four speak Austro-Asiatic languages.[27][28][29] The Bhils and Gonds are frequently classified as Australoid groups,[32] yet Bhil languages are Indo-European and the Gondi language is Dravidian.[26] Also, in post-colonial India, tribal languages suffered huge setbacks with the formation of linguistic states after 1956 under the States Reorganisation Act. For example, under state-sponsored educational pressure, Irula children are being taught Tamil and a sense of shame has begun to be associated with speaking the Irula language among some children and educated adults.[16] Similarly, the Santals are "gradually adopting languages of the areas inhabited, like Oriya in Orissa, Hindi in Bihar and Bengali in West Bengal."[30] ... Although considered uncivilized and primitive,[33] adivasis were usually not held to be intrinsically impure by surrounding (usually, caucasoid - Dravidian or Aryan) caste Hindu populations, unlike Dalits, who were.[6][34] Thus, the adivasi origins of Maharshi (Sanksrit: Great Sage) Valmiki, who composed the Ramayana Hindu religious epic, were acknowledged,[35] as were the origins of adivasi tribes such as the Grasia and Bhilala, which descended from mixed Rajput and Bhil marriages.[36][37] Unlike the subjugation of the dalits, the adivasis often enjoyed autonomy and, depending on region, evolved mixed hunter-gatherer and farming economies, controlling their lands as a joint patrimony of the tribe.[33][38][39] In some areas, securing adivasi approval and support was considered crucial by local rulers,[6][40] and larger adivasi groups were able to sustain their own kingdoms in central India.[6] The Gond Rajas of Garha-Mandla and Chanda are examples of an adivasi aristocracy that ruled in this region, and were "not only the hereditary leaders of their Gond subjects, but also held sway over substantial communities of non-tribals who recognized them as their feudal lords."[38][41]
This relative autonomy and collective ownership of adivasi land by adivasis was severely disrupted by the advent of the Mughals in the early 16th century. Similarly, the British beginning in the 18th century added to the consolidation of feudalism in India, first under the jagirdari system and then under the zamindari system.[42] Beginning with the Permanent Settlement imposed by the British in Bengal and Bihar, which later became the template for a deepening of feudalism throughout India, the older social and economic system in the country began to alter radically.[43][44] Land, both forest areas belonging to adivasis and settled farmland belonging to non-adivasi peasants, was rapidly made the legal property of British-designated zamindars (landlords), who in turn moved to extract the maximum economic benefit possible from their newfound property and subjects without regard to historical tenure or ownership.[45] Adivasi lands sometimes experienced an influx of non-local settlers, often brought from far away (as in the case of Muslims and Sikhs brought to Kol territory)[46] by the zamindars to better exploit local land, forest and labor.[42][43] Deprived of the forests and resources they traditionally depended on and sometimes coerced to pay taxes, many adivasis were forced to borrow at usurious rates from moneylenders, often the zamindars themselves.[47][48] When they were unable to pay, that forced them to become bonded laborers for the zamindars.[49] Often, far from paying off the principal of their debt, they were unable even to offset the compounding interest, and this was made the justification for their children working for the zamindar after the death of the initial borrower.[49] In the case of the Andamanese adivasis, long isolated from the outside world in autonomous societies, mere contact with outsiders was often sufficient to set off deadly epidemics in tribal populations,[50] and it is alleged that some sections of the British government directly attempted to destroy some tribes.[51]
Land dispossession and subjugation by British and zamindar interests resulted in a number of adivasi revolts in the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries, such as the Santal hul (or Santal revolt) of 1855-56.[52] Although these were suppressed ruthlessly by the governing British authority (the East India Company prior to 1858, and the British government after 1858), partial restoration of privileges to adivasi elites (e.g. to Mankis, the leaders of Munda tribes) and some leniency in tax burdens resulted in relative calm, despite continuing and widespread dispossession, from the late nineteenth century onwards.[46][53] The economic deprivation, in some cases, triggered internal adivasi migrations within India that would continue for another century, including as labor for the emerging tea plantations in Assam.[54]
Note how the article goes to great lengths to separate the aboriginal populations from the culture of India and attach it to "caucasoid" dravidians who look no different from the Adivasi. But this along with the nonsense of migrating whites who turned black (from Jablonski) is simply the continuation of the same old bull sh*t that whites have been propagating all along.
Again, a lot of the colorism in India relates back to recent invasions by the British, Mongols(Mughals) and Iranians. This is not ancient at all. And it is especially under the British that these people were dispossessed of their land and used as slave labor, while lighter skinned Indians (like Ghandi) were incorporated into the elite class of ruling educated politician castes. That has nothing to do with ancient Hindu castes outside of the influence of invaders who have manipulated it to suit their agenda, which includes the more RECENT movements of Iranians(Persians), the British and others.
That Runoko Rashidi guy makes me sick to the stomach. I wish he stop going around the world claiming every dark face as an African or a descendant of Africans. He just give false superiority to inferior blacks and make superior blacks look bad. I wish he stop embarrassing proud AAs.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Yep these are type of Indians not seen in Bollywood movies,except in Slumdog Millionair..which was part British production.
And most defnately not her^ Karala painting dravidian art..and Harappan girl What's truly amazing is not some so-called Afrocentrist making trouble in India but the almost completely hidden folks such as the above almost invisiable from out siders,although they exist in the millions.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Betty Boo,you are saying that the folks above are not blacks...I for one am glad he is over there shaking things up..let there be more trouble making Blackmen in the world...maybe the world has gotten too comportable with it's anti black racism,and racism in general.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Betty Boo,you are saying that the folks above are not blacks...I for one am glad he is over there shaking things up..let there be more trouble making Blackmen in the world...maybe the world has gotten too comportable with it's anti black racism,and racism in general.
I never have said those 'dark' Indians aren't black.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Yep these are type of Indians not seen in Bollywood movies,except in Slumdog Millionair..which was part British production.
And most defnately not her^ Karala painting dravidian art..and Harappan girl What's truly amazing is not some so-called Afrocentrist making trouble in India but the almost completely hidden folks such as the above almost invisiable from out siders,although they exist in the millions.
Bollywood is a British financed propaganda engine that is run by a wealthy Iranian family named: Irani.
quote: "Our people were used like the tools in another's hand. We worked hard to motivate our fellow beings about the ill treatment faced by the community. I do not read much. All I learned is from my own experience. . My life taught me a lot. Always I like to be among our people work for them. I don't fear to fight for justice. I will be happy, even if I die in this struggle to provide justice to our brethren who have been oppressed and exploited for long long years." --- C. K. Janu Leader of Tribals in Kerala
One thing that is funny about Indian media and culture is how they put a white face on even the most ancient forms of culture which even they admit come from the native blacks. This includes the national dance of India which they themselves say originates in the South of India, which means among the native blacks. But you will hardly ever see any blacks in the Indian national dance troupes.
Obviously the fact that these dance troupes have the whitest of the white Indians doing "native" dances of BLACK populations in India is nothing more than racism pure and simple.
quote: Danda Nata
Danda Nata of Orissa, also known as the 'Danda Jatra' , it happens to be one amongst the most ancient form of histrionic arts of the state. Associated with ritualistic services, Danda Nata forms an institution of dance, music and dramatics blended with religions, social reformation and an association of Universal Brotherhood.Mainly an worship of Lord Shiva, the God of destruction of the Hindu mythology, who is also the Lord of histrionic arts (Nata Raj), this theatrical form brings into its fold a harmonious feeling of co-existence between followers of different philosophical doctrines, between political principles and set of opinions.Along with votive dedications to Lord Shiva ( Rudra, Hara, Mahadeva, Shankar, Bholanath etc ) in a Danda Nata, the greatness of other Gods and Goddesses such as Vishnu, Krishna Ganesh, Durga, Kali etc. are also equally invoked.Similarly while the original participants in a Danda Nata were said to be only the low-caste Hindus people, however people belonging to all other higher castes such as Kshyatriyas and Brahmins also participate in this institution with equal interest.
Animal Mask Dance
Animal Mask Dances are prevalent in village of south Orissa specially in the district of Ganjam. Particularly during Thankurani Yatra, when the idols are taken out on the streets, the animal mask dancers go on dancing before the procession. During the marriage ceremonies also they lead the bridegroom's procession all the way to the bride's house. The three animal mask dances typical of the area are the tiger, bull and horse dances. Two persons get into cane frame and conceal themselves within it. Their legs become the legs of the animals they are representing.
Ghoomra Dance
Ghoomra is a typical drum. It is just like a big pitcher with a long stem made of clay. The mouth is covered with the skin of a Godhi (a reptile). When played with both hands, it produces a peculiar sound quite different from other varieties of drums. The dance performed to the accompaniment of this drum is called Ghoomra Nata. It begins fifteen days earlier of Gamha Purnima (full moon in September) and culminates on that night in a ceremonial performance. Young men of various communities fix a Ghoomra each on the chest with string tied the body simultaneouly dance and play. The performance begins will slow circular movements. The Nisan is a smaller variety of Kettle-drum played with two leather-sticks. The player always places himself in the centre and controls the tempo of the dance. He also indicates change over the movements. After a brief dance sequence in different rhythmic patterns all the dancers move in a concentric circle and then stand erect in a line. Then enters the singer who first sings in praise of Saraswati and other gods and godesses. During the song the drums remain silent. After the prayer-song Chhanda, Chaupadi other literary folk-songs are sung. Each couplet of a song is followed by a dance-peace. At the end of the each couplet the singer adds 'Takita Dhe' which is a numonic syllable for the time-beats and indicates the dance to begin.
Karma Dance
Karam or Karma literally means 'fate'. This pastoral dance is performed during the worship of the God or Goddess of fate (Karam Devta or Karamsani Devi), whom the people consider the cause of good and bad fortune. It begins from Bhadra Shukla Ekadasi (eleventh day of the brightmoon of the month of Bhadra) and lasts for several days. This is popular among the scheduled class tribes (e.g., the Binjhal, Kharia, Kisan and Kol tribes) in the districts of Mayurbhanj, Sundargarh, Sambalpur and Dhenkanal. In Dhenkanal and Sambalpur the dance is in honour of Karamsani, the deity who bestows children and good crops. However, the rituals connected with the dance remain the same everywhere. In the afternoon of the auspicious day two young unmarried girls cut and bring two branches of the 'Karam' tree from a nearby jungle. They are accompanied by drummers and musicians. The two branches are then ceremonially planted on the altar of worship and symbolise the God. Germinated grains, grass flowers and country liquor are offered to the deity. After completing the ritual the village-priest tells the story or legend connected with it. This is followed by singing and dancing in accompaniment of drum (madal), cymbal etc. The dance performance full of vigour and energy combined with charm of the youth decked with colourful costumes in exuberance of red cloth, set in peacock feathers skillfully designed ornaments made of small conch shells, brings the onlookers as well as the performers to a mood of trance and ecstasy. In this dance both men and women take part and continue to engross themselves for the whole night. The skillful movement of the young boys with mirror in hand indicates the traditional pattern of love-making in course of dancing and singing. The dance is performed sometimes by boys in group, sometimes by girls in group and sometimes both the sexes together. The subject matter of songs constitutes the description of nature, invocation to Karmasani, desires, aspiration of people, love and humour. The Karam dance continues from dusk to dawn. Group after group drawn from nearby villages dance alternately throughout the night. In the early morning they carry the Karam branches singing and dancing and then immerse them ceremonially in a river or tank and then disperse. The technique of the Karma dance varies a little from tribe to tribe. The Kharias, Kisans and Oraons dance in a circular pattern, where men and women dance together. It is always headed by a leader and generally the men at the head of the line. Only the best of dancers join in right next to or near him. Very young girls and children join in at the tail end to learn the steps. When the dancing grows fast the dancers of the tail end drop out to let the true dancers show their skill. The dancers hold hands in different ways in different dances. Sometimes they simply hold hands and sometimes hands are placed on the neighbor's waist band or are crossed. It is the legs and the feet which play the principal part in the dance. The dance begins lightly with simple steps forward and backward, left and right, then gradually the steps grow smaller and faster, growing more and more complicated, until that dance reaches its height. Then it goes gradually to the first steps as the music leads to give dancers rest. The dancers have no special costume for the occasion. They dance with their usual attires which they wear daily. The dance is usually held in the courtyard of a village where performance is arranged. In the center of the courtyard a bamboo is fixed and it is split into four upto a certain height and then bent to form the arches. Each split is fixed with a pole on the outerside to form the earch. Then it is decorated with festoons of mango leaves and water lilies giving it a festive look. The ground is neatly plastered with cow-dung. Men and women dance winding in an out beneath the arches.
Puppet Dance
Puppets dance known as Kandhei or Sakhi Nata, a rare and unusual type of stylised indigenous drama and dance based on mythological stories, is being performed today in various parts of Orissa. The puppets are usually the representations of various characters and animals of a particular drama. It is difficult to speak anything about its origin but undoubtedly is an old art. The making of dolls with paintings, dresses and ornaments is a typical folk art for the enjoyment of people of all categories. Together with puppets there evolved another art popularly known as the expressive shadow plays which has the added advantage of being able to cater to large audiences. The puppetry of Orissa may be classified into three categories, such as hand puppets, string puppets and rod puppets.
Jhoomar Dance
This dance type named after the accompanying Jhoomar songs is prevalent among the Mahanta and Munda communities of the Sundargarh district. Among the Mahantas the dance is performed by the men only. Among the Mundas the singers who accompany the dancers sing songs and the dancers follow them in chorus in accompaniment of Madal. The Mundas are especially experts in this dance particularly in intricate foot steps, movement of hip and wrists and movement of body.
The strongest aspects of Hindu worship are in the South of India and places like Orissa. Orissa hosts one of the largest Hindu festivals every year called the Rath Yatra.
quote: is a small town in Puri district of the state of Orissa, India, on the Bay of Bengal, sixty-five kilometres from Bhubaneswar. It is the site of the 13th-century Sun Temple (also known as the Black Pagoda), built in black granite by King Narasimhadeva-I(AD 1236-1264) of the Eastern Ganga Dynasty. The temple is a World Heritage Site. It takes the form of the chariot of Surya (Arka), the sun god, and is heavily decorated with stone carving. The entire complex was designed in the form of a huge chariot drawn by seven spirited horses on twelve pairs of exquisitely decorated wheels. The entrance is guarded by two lions, which are each shown crushing a war elephant. Each elephant in turn lies on top of a human body. The temple symbolises the majestic stride of the Sun god. At the entrance of the temple is a Nata Mandir. This is where the temple dancers used to perform dances in homage to the Sun god. All around the temple, there are various floral and geometric patterns. There are also human, divine and semi-divine figures in sensuous poses. The poses contains couples in various amorous poses, and are derived from the Kama Sutra. The temple is now partly in ruins, and a collection of its sculptures is housed in the Sun Temple Museum, which is run by the Archaeological Survey of India. The poet Rabindranath Tagore wrote of Konark: "here the language of stone surpasses the language of man."
Konark is also home to an annual dance festival, held every December, devoted to classical Indian dance forms, including the traditional classical dance of Orissa, odissi.
The idea that white skin is an ancient craze in India is pure bull sh*t. The ancient statues and artwork of India along with early European descriptions of Indians and Indian culture ALL reflect a love of the natural features of MOST INDIANS: dark skin. This love of white skin is a fairly recent phenomena brought by invading whites from the Greeks, to the Persians, Mughals (Mongols) and Europeans.
Indian classical dance comes from the Davadasi tradition of Temple dancers.
quote: originally described a Hindu religious practice in which girls were "married" and dedicated to a deity (deva or [[devi In addition to taking care of the temple and performing rituals, they learned and practiced Bharatanatyam and other classical Indian arts traditions and enjoyed a high social status.
Following the demise of the great Hindu kingdoms the practice degenerated. Pressure from the British colonial reform movement led to suppression of the practice. Adherents of this movement considered devadasis immoral since they engaged in sex outside of the traditional concept of marriage, and described them as prostitutes. As a result of these social changes, devadasis were left without their traditional means of support and patronage. Colonial views on devadasis are hotly disputed by several groups and organizations in India and by western academics. ....
Originally, devadasis were celibate all their life.[11] Reference to dancing girls in temples is found in Kalidasa's "Meghadhoot". It is said that dancing girls were present at the time of worship in the Mahakal Temple of Ujjain. Some scholars are of the opinion that probably the custom of dedicating girls to temples became quite common in the 6th century CE, as most of the Puranas containing reference to it have been written during this period. Several Puranas recommended that arrangements should be made to enlist the services of singing girls for worship at temples.
By the end of 10th century, the total number of devadasis in many temples was in direct proportion to the wealth and prestige of the temple. During the medieval period, they were regarded as a part of the normal establishment of temples; they occupied a rank next only to priests and their number often reached high proportions. For example, there were 400 devadasis attached to the temples at Tanjore and Travancore.
Local kings often invited temple dancers to dance in their courts, the occurrence of which created a new category of dancers, rajadasis, and modified the technique and themes of the recitals. A devadasi had to satisfy her own soul while she danced unwatched and offered herself to the god, but the rajadasi's dance was meant to be an entertainment.
The popularity of devadasis seems to have reached its pinnacle around 10th and 11th century AD. The rise and fall in the status of devadasis can be seen to be running parallel to the rise and fall of Hindu temples. Invaders from West Asia attained their first victory in India at the beginning of the second millennium CE. The destruction of temples by invaders started from the northwestern borders of the country and spread through the whole of the country. Thereafter the status of the temples fell very quickly in North India and slowly in South India. As the temples became poorer and lost their patron kings, and in some cases were destroyed, the devadasis were forced into a life of poverty, misery, and, in some cases, prostitution. .... Unlike other parts of India, the devadasis of the Jagannath temple complex in the eastern state of Orissa have never practised prostitution, and have been expected to remain celibate from the time they became devadasis. Devadasi is a name given to a group of women who danced in the temple premises. The word devadasi or mahari means "those great women who can control natural human impulses, their five senses and can submit themselves completely to God (Vachaspati)." Mahari means Mohan Nari that is, the woman belonging to God. Sri Chaitanayadev had defined devadasis as 'Sebaets' who served God through dance and music. Pankaj Charan Das, the oldest Guru of Odissi classical dance, who comes from a Mahari family, explains Mahari as Maha Ripu -Ari (one who conquers the five main ripus - enemies ). [14]
The beginning the decline of the Mahari tradition started with the Muslim invasion of Orissa in the 14th century. They were exploited and for the first time the Purdah system appeared, ostensibly to guard the women-folk. The gradual degeneration of the devadasi tradition, which had started since the attack of Sultan Shah in 1360 A.D. continued. This was because the social, cultural & political scene was changing rapidly and women, in general, were losing their independence and power.
The Orissa Gazette of 1956 lists nine devadasis and 11 temple musicians. By 1980, only four devadasis were left – Harapriya, Kokilprabha, Paroshmoni and Shashimoni. Now only Shashimoni and Paroshmoni are alive. The daily ritualistic dance had stopped long ago. Now this twosome serve in a few of the yearly temple rituals like Nabakalebar, Nanda Utsav and Duar Paka during Bahura jatra.[14]
The Orissa Gazette of 1956 mentions some occasions where the devadasis danced. They had two daily rituals. The bahar gaunis would dance at the Sakhala Dhupa. Lord Jagannath, after breakfast, would give Darshan to the bhaktas, the devotees. In the main hall, a devadasi accompanied by musicians and the Rajguru, the court guru, would dance, standing near the Garuda sthambha. This dance could be watched by the audience. They would perform only pure dance here. The bhitar gauni would sing at the Badashringhar, the main ceremony for ornamenting and dressing the God. Lord Jagannath, at bedtime, would be first served by male Sebaets- they would fan Him and decorate Him with flowers. After they would leave, a bhitar gauni would then enter the room, stand near the door (Jaya Bijay) and sing Geetagovinda songs, and perhaps perform a ritualistic dance. After a while, she would come out and announce that the Lord has gone to sleep and then the guard would close the main gate.
Any history of the tradition of Indian temple dancing will show you native black Indians. This is why the British suppressed it. It wasn't because of any sexual impropriety, but because it upheld NATIVE BLACKNESS, as most davadasi and other traditions upheld NATIVE PEOPLE. And this goes for all the styles of classical dance which originated among the natives of various parts of India. They have been collected and reformulated as part of dance troupes that have absolutely very little to do with the people or the ancient traditions of these dances.
They then replaced it with the national dance troupes of India, which are a part of the MEDIA AND ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY of India, which is WESTERN ORIENTED and features the WHITEST OF THE WHITE Indians they can find. These dance troupes didn't exist 100 years ago and have nothing to do with the origin and tradition of such dances.
Oh and on a side note, those big clubs seen on the ancient statues are part of an ancient Indian martial arts tradition still seen among the traditional Pehlwan wrestlers in India today:
Even when seeing images such as this I asked one of my Indian coworkers years ago: Why do the Indian gods have "Blue Skin"
She explained to me its not really "Blue Skin" but that is how the artist can best display the skin as being PITCH BLACK.
At first it didnt make sense then i though of American culture and how we use the color blue to portray something that is pitch black: Posted by nanni-town (Member # 17257) on :
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afrocentrist: Let's stay foccused here. Is any indian in the photos you provided African Black?
They dont have to be from recent Africans to be Black idiot. Its funny how you came out fuming your crap but in the end of to admit that there are Blacks beside "African Black" (recent that is) as the irrefutable picture evidence posted here clearly shows
I am sure you would like to promote the myth also, that Blacks are only limited to "sub Saharan" Africa, or certain sections of "sub Saharan" Africa
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
quote:Originally posted by nanni-town: I am sure you would like to promote the myth also, that Blacks are only limited to "sub Saharan" Africa, or certain sections of "sub Saharan" Africa
Too late, he already has. Don't get the fool started again please. Posted by nanni-town (Member # 17257) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo: I never have said those 'dark' Indians aren't black.
LOL, at this other idiot "Bettyboo" After talking down on scholars like Runoko Rashidi, only to be force with facts to admit the obvious with her one liner, and to confirmed that Rashidi are indeed correct.
Idiots like this "Bettyboo" and the one who start the thread are down right predictable in getting shut up in no time with facts, only to continued their facade and idiocy somewhere else till they gotten shut up again
It wouldn't be surprising to find out that they are stormfront white crack-pots coming here under false identities
Posted by nanni-town (Member # 17257) on :
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
quote:Originally posted by nanni-town: I am sure you would like to promote the myth also, that Blacks are only limited to "sub Saharan" Africa, or certain sections of "sub Saharan" Africa
Too late, he already has. Don't get the fool started again please.
LOL I am sure he has, you can tell his types a mile away
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by nanni-town:
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo: I never have said those 'dark' Indians aren't black.
LOL, at this other idiot "Bettyboo" After talking down on scholars like Runoko Rashidi, only to be force with facts to admit the obvious with her one liner, and to confirmed that Rashidi are indeed correct.
Runoko Rashidi is not a scholar; he is an inferior neggir that goes around the world forcing his emotions on black groups that aren't African looking for unity outside of that which there is none. Never once, I was ever forced nor have I admitted to Rashidi being correct. He was wrong yesterday, he is wrong today, and if he doesn't get over his inferior complex he will be wrong tomorrow.
Posted by Bob_01 (Member # 15687) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by nanni-town:
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo: I never have said those 'dark' Indians aren't black.
LOL, at this other idiot "Bettyboo" After talking down on scholars like Runoko Rashidi, only to be force with facts to admit the obvious with her one liner, and to confirmed that Rashidi are indeed correct.
Runoko Rashidi is not a scholar; he is an inferior neggir that goes around the world forcing his emotions on black groups that aren't African looking for unity outside of that which there is none. Never once, I was ever forced nor have I admitted to Rashidi being correct. He was wrong yesterday, he is wrong today, and if he doesn't get over his inferior complex he will be wrong tomorrow.
You seriously are a stupid bitch. I understand that most South Asians are not recent African migrants, but political affinity as a result of a common history, vs. European oppression.
The delusions that surround you does not apply to others in the real world. I mean, if you were to even do some research, you'd understand that both regions have many, modern, political commonalities. That will be demonstrated below:
quote:Dalit Panthers of India
During the 1960s and 1970s, the Dalit Panthers, and several groups with a Marxist/Leninist or Maoist orientation, emerged outside the framework of recognized political parties and parliamentary politics to confront the established powers. The Dalit Panthers were formed in the state of Maharashtra in the 1970s, ideologically aligning themselves to the Black Panther movement in the United States. During the same period, Dalit literature, painting, and theater challenged the very premise and nature of established art forms and their depiction of society and religion. Many of these new Dalit artists formed the first generation of theDalit Panther movement that sought to wage an organized struggle against the varna system. Dalit Panthers visited “atrocity” sites, organized marches and rallies in villages, and raised slogans of direct militant action against their upper-caste aggressors.46
The determined stance of the Dalit Panthers served to arouse and unite many Dalits, particularly Dalit youths and students. The defeat of ruling party candidates and the boycott of elections in some areas forced the government to take notice of the movement: Panther leaders were often harassed and removed from districts for speaking out against the government and Hindu religion. They also became frequent targets of police brutality and arbitrary detentions. Disagreements over the future of the movement and the inclusion of other caste groups ultimately led to a dispersal of Dalit Panther leadership. The former aggressiveness and militancy of the Dalit Panthers have for the most part dissipated, though small splinter groups or groups that have adopted the name still survive.47 In Tamil Nadu, for example, the Dalit Panthers of India have thrived since the 1980s as a nonviolent awareness-raising and organizing movement concentrating primarily on women’s rights and land issues and claims. They are currently led by a man named Tirumavalavan. As documented in chapters V and VIII, their members are continually harassed and detained by the police. Link
quote: Right from her undergraduate days, Rajani had yearned and fought for social justice and equality. Whether it be student issues, the discrimination against Tamils, the National Question or general strikes, she always aligned herself with the oppressed parties. She stood up in very delicate situations and argued, confronted and negotiated for the rights of the people. During her stay in Britain from 1983 to 1986, she, together with her postgraduate studies, participated in the various political and socio-cultural struggles of the black people. She shared in the striving of blacks for an end to discrimination and their recognition as a political force to be esteemed. She did this with her characteristic enthusiasm. It was particularly in the sphere of black women and feminism that she explored specific issues [/and concepts concerning women, within the broader framework of class, black struggles and other third world phenomena. Link
Don't go lecturing others on emotions, when you clearly are a deluded white woman. The fact remains is that white women will be viewed secondary in law, and will play a minimal role in technological development in the West. Oh, and I'm not African-American, nor "West African", so that childish superiority complex of yours has no context in my perspective. I maintain a rather stern position, vs you, because you're pretending to belong to the dominant class when you're just a woman.
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
Bob_01
Come on Bob. Just a women?
I know you dislike Betty but women's minds are just as powerful as a man.
The women struggle is important to advancing our Human Race. Helping women grow and gain strength, will benefit all the mass(People) I just finished watching a documentary on women who develop fistula when the are pregnant. Meaning they can't control there bladder. What I got is that these women were young when they were forced to get married. This is sadness because these girls were as young as 9 yearsold when they got married off. Ignorant parents don't give these girls the chances to develop and learn and they get pregnant before they are really ready and complications happen. One girl said she wanted to drink poision because the people in her village treated her like a pariah. If we are going to move forward as a people we must strengthen women and teach parents in the 3rd world to allow there daughters to gain an education. The good thing I saw at the end of the program was seeing one women say she will allow her girls to be educated and not marry them off when they are just kids.
You also just posted a article about Rajani Thiranagama a women. So how can you belittle women like that.
Bob you make plenty of good points but you seem to love to insult mothers and women in general when you debate racists. This needs to stop. Women are integral to growing the future(children) to be the change we want to see in the world.
Peace
Posted by Bob_01 (Member # 15687) on :
quote:Originally posted by KING: Bob_01
Come on Bob. Just a women?
I know you dislike Betty but women's minds are just as powerful as a man.
The women struggle is important to advancing our Human Race. Helping women grow and gain strength, will benefit all the mass(People) I just finished watching a documentary on women who develop fistula when the are pregnant. Meaning they can't control there bladder. What I got is that these women were young when they were forced to get married. This is sadness because these girls were as young as 9 yearsold when they got married off. Ignorant parents don't give these girls the chances to develop and learn and they get pregnant before they are really ready and complications happen. One girl said she wanted to drink poision because the people in her village treated her like a pariah. If we are going to move forward as a people we must strengthen women and teach parents in the 3rd world to allow there daughters to gain an education. The good thing I saw at the end of the program was seeing one women say she will allow her girls to be educated and not marry them off when they are just kids.
You also just posted a article about Rajani Thiranagama a women. So how can you belittle women like that.
Bob you make plenty of good points but you seem to love to insult mothers and women in general when you debate racists. This needs to stop. Women are integral to growing the future(children) to be the change we want to see in the world.
Peace
As I said, just a woman.
I, honestly, want to know, why do so many here play dress up a little too much? This nonsense needs to stop, because I'd never think that we as peoples should look to the Irish, white Southerners, or white women. Maybe East Indian or Jewish women ( a lot more cleaner), but not the female population, ones sees in Indianapolis, Salt Lake City, or whatever.
This game needs to end. Truth is, she'll be expected to use her excessive make up, fake blonde hair, ugly tans, and pretend that she's assimilated after being raped (while intoxicated) in some university. It's a position so common amongst the elite, where then the bitch would be told, "she's asking for it". To make matters worse, now that nearly every American is a fat ****, she better lose that 300lb frame as well and bring down her carbon emissions.
King, as I said before, I understand feminism. The issues that existed in past still exist, especially when poverty, worldwide, has become ridiculously feminized. It seems like you seem to ignore that. Oh well. Most here know that, so I must emphasize that white women are trash within Western society. You just need to go to the welfare line, and see these women with their illegitimate, near-retarded, white children.
Sure Black women are no different, but most welfare recipients, and illegitimate children are "white". These race traitors, who allowed the white population to age and shrink at ridiculously levels. The token still-under-replacement fertility rates, joins the decades of abysmal white TFR. The Black and Hispanic population made up around half of children under 5 years of age as of 2000. Such a shame indeed.
We could play this game as well, Boo. It's quite noticeable too. Humans are become more modest when their shown that they're trash. This is why I choose to post in such a manner. Those who don't, such as King, have failed to develop respect from these trolls. As for me, I couldn't care less of what they think of me, but what I say will strike them. I shall say it again, you aren't better than us, and I may not be "West African", but I doubt most who are would disagree with me.
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
Bob_01
Your right Whites are not better then Blacks.
All the things Blacks have done for this world while being the most vilified ethnicity just shows that Blacks have a strength to excel in troubling circumstances.
As for white women, I will say that I see some of them are working against women in general. They are stooges to promote a One child policy like China has. Really I saw a talk show where these white women were talking about how having one child is so "uplifting" It was a shame to watch.
But I also saw a documentary on a Black women that said if she could microchip her child she would. So there is evil in each race that has to be purged.
As for respect from these people, trust me I don't post for respect from people. I post the TRUTH and they either accept it or stand against it. If you read any of the threads on the religous section, you would see me basically discussing the TRUTH with many a muslims who respond in insults. I don't respond in kind because it just does not solve anything.
I enjoy reading your posts but the attack on women is just going a bit too far.
Peace
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bob_01:
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by nanni-town:
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo: I never have said those 'dark' Indians aren't black.
LOL, at this other idiot "Bettyboo" After talking down on scholars like Runoko Rashidi, only to be force with facts to admit the obvious with her one liner, and to confirmed that Rashidi are indeed correct.
Runoko Rashidi is not a scholar; he is an inferior neggir that goes around the world forcing his emotions on black groups that aren't African looking for unity outside of that which there is none. Never once, I was ever forced nor have I admitted to Rashidi being correct. He was wrong yesterday, he is wrong today, and if he doesn't get over his inferior complex he will be wrong tomorrow.
You seriously are a stupid bitch. I understand that most South Asians are not recent African migrants, but political affinity as a result of a common history, vs. European oppression.
The delusions that surround you does not apply to others in the real world. I mean, if you were to even do some research, you'd understand that both regions have many, modern, political commonalities. That will be demonstrated below:
quote:Dalit Panthers of India
During the 1960s and 1970s, the Dalit Panthers, and several groups with a Marxist/Leninist or Maoist orientation, emerged outside the framework of recognized political parties and parliamentary politics to confront the established powers. The Dalit Panthers were formed in the state of Maharashtra in the 1970s, ideologically aligning themselves to the Black Panther movement in the United States. During the same period, Dalit literature, painting, and theater challenged the very premise and nature of established art forms and their depiction of society and religion. Many of these new Dalit artists formed the first generation of theDalit Panther movement that sought to wage an organized struggle against the varna system. Dalit Panthers visited “atrocity” sites, organized marches and rallies in villages, and raised slogans of direct militant action against their upper-caste aggressors.46
The determined stance of the Dalit Panthers served to arouse and unite many Dalits, particularly Dalit youths and students. The defeat of ruling party candidates and the boycott of elections in some areas forced the government to take notice of the movement: Panther leaders were often harassed and removed from districts for speaking out against the government and Hindu religion. They also became frequent targets of police brutality and arbitrary detentions. Disagreements over the future of the movement and the inclusion of other caste groups ultimately led to a dispersal of Dalit Panther leadership. The former aggressiveness and militancy of the Dalit Panthers have for the most part dissipated, though small splinter groups or groups that have adopted the name still survive.47 In Tamil Nadu, for example, the Dalit Panthers of India have thrived since the 1980s as a nonviolent awareness-raising and organizing movement concentrating primarily on women’s rights and land issues and claims. They are currently led by a man named Tirumavalavan. As documented in chapters V and VIII, their members are continually harassed and detained by the police. Link
quote: Right from her undergraduate days, Rajani had yearned and fought for social justice and equality. Whether it be student issues, the discrimination against Tamils, the National Question or general strikes, she always aligned herself with the oppressed parties. She stood up in very delicate situations and argued, confronted and negotiated for the rights of the people. During her stay in Britain from 1983 to 1986, she, together with her postgraduate studies, participated in the various political and socio-cultural struggles of the black people. She shared in the striving of blacks for an end to discrimination and their recognition as a political force to be esteemed. She did this with her characteristic enthusiasm. It was particularly in the sphere of black women and feminism that she explored specific issues [/and concepts concerning women, within the broader framework of class, black struggles and other third world phenomena. Link
Don't go lecturing others on emotions, when you clearly are a deluded white woman. The fact remains is that white women will be viewed secondary in law, and will play a minimal role in technological development in the West. Oh, and I'm not African-American, nor "West African", so that childish superiority complex of yours has no context in my perspective. I maintain a rather stern position, vs you, because you're pretending to belong to the dominant class when you're just a woman.
I don't think one needs to confuse Bettyboo or whatever IT is with white women. And I don't want to bring animals into the equation either since they for the most part have more sense.LOL. IT is obviously possessed by some type of animal as evidenced by IT's monkey-brained inferences. Posted by Bob_01 (Member # 15687) on :
quote:Originally posted by KING: Bob_01
Your right Whites are not better then Blacks.
All the things Blacks have done for this world while being the most vilified ethnicity just shows that Blacks have a strength to excel in troubling circumstances.
As for white women, I will say that I see some of them are working against women in general. They are stooges to promote a One child policy like China has. Really I saw a talk show where these white women were talking about how having one child is so "uplifting" It was a shame to watch.
But I also saw a documentary on a Black women that said if she could microchip her child she would. So there is evil in each race that has to be purged.
As for respect from these people, trust me I don't post for respect from people. I post the TRUTH and they either accept it or stand against it. If you read any of the threads on the religous section, you would see me basically discussing the TRUTH with many a muslims who respond in insults. I don't respond in kind because it just does not solve anything.
I enjoy reading your posts but the attack on women is just going a bit too far.
Peace
I'm a sexist and egoistic male, but I do see a lot wrong with that position. I ask, why can't white women decide to invest in independent development, rather than carrying a family on her back? There is nothing special about the latter. The human populations a whole isn't shrinking, and plenty of, unskilled, pale-skinned youngsters can immigrate to US and cover aging population.
Sure many may be Mexican, or Muslim, but you have many like Fawal, who will be ready to invest extensively into the white club. At the same time the high-IQ "West African", East and South Asian migrants will lead US's information and knowledge sectors. Nothing new here, especially the later which has been the norm even prior to the development of US's IT sector. However, it'll be interesting to see if Italian/ Irish-level migration is allowed in order to cover the old and obese white population, who are expecting multi-million dollar pension benefits.
Having said that, Betty, just like most white women, wouldn't adopt a conservative lifestyle. I originate from a land, where women, especially, are brutalized or killed for ignoring her duties within the family and attempting to compete with the male head. That paradigm is the norm in the Bible as well. The women is essentially the servant of the family, just as clergy are that to laymen, and Jesus is that to God. I've distanced from religion, but fundamentalist ideology is not that far from my house.
Could part-time Christian, women, who can't even preserve their virginity suggest the same? I don't think so. These attacks on "West Africans" are just an attempt to ignore the fact that white women are largely the enemy of the traditional white power structure. I say, 'traditional', because the hierarchy is rather innovative, the definition of "white" can always change.
The Irish and Jews were once color, but now are classified white. Definitions can change, but the currently dominant population will be supplanted by "New Whites" once they end up as weak senior citizens. This will change the composition of the power structure, and we'll likely see the old segment channeled into nursery homes. Those familial ties won't exist, with the younger "new whites", and that is the result of the so-called "selfish" lifestyle choices by white women.
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche:
quote:Originally posted by Bob_01:
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by nanni-town:
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo: I never have said those 'dark' Indians aren't black.
LOL, at this other idiot "Bettyboo" After talking down on scholars like Runoko Rashidi, only to be force with facts to admit the obvious with her one liner, and to confirmed that Rashidi are indeed correct.
Runoko Rashidi is not a scholar; he is an inferior neggir that goes around the world forcing his emotions on black groups that aren't African looking for unity outside of that which there is none. Never once, I was ever forced nor have I admitted to Rashidi being correct. He was wrong yesterday, he is wrong today, and if he doesn't get over his inferior complex he will be wrong tomorrow.
You seriously are a stupid bitch. I understand that most South Asians are not recent African migrants, but political affinity as a result of a common history, vs. European oppression.
The delusions that surround you does not apply to others in the real world. I mean, if you were to even do some research, you'd understand that both regions have many, modern, political commonalities. That will be demonstrated below:
quote:Dalit Panthers of India
During the 1960s and 1970s, the Dalit Panthers, and several groups with a Marxist/Leninist or Maoist orientation, emerged outside the framework of recognized political parties and parliamentary politics to confront the established powers. The Dalit Panthers were formed in the state of Maharashtra in the 1970s, ideologically aligning themselves to the Black Panther movement in the United States. During the same period, Dalit literature, painting, and theater challenged the very premise and nature of established art forms and their depiction of society and religion. Many of these new Dalit artists formed the first generation of theDalit Panther movement that sought to wage an organized struggle against the varna system. Dalit Panthers visited “atrocity” sites, organized marches and rallies in villages, and raised slogans of direct militant action against their upper-caste aggressors.46
The determined stance of the Dalit Panthers served to arouse and unite many Dalits, particularly Dalit youths and students. The defeat of ruling party candidates and the boycott of elections in some areas forced the government to take notice of the movement: Panther leaders were often harassed and removed from districts for speaking out against the government and Hindu religion. They also became frequent targets of police brutality and arbitrary detentions. Disagreements over the future of the movement and the inclusion of other caste groups ultimately led to a dispersal of Dalit Panther leadership. The former aggressiveness and militancy of the Dalit Panthers have for the most part dissipated, though small splinter groups or groups that have adopted the name still survive.47 In Tamil Nadu, for example, the Dalit Panthers of India have thrived since the 1980s as a nonviolent awareness-raising and organizing movement concentrating primarily on women’s rights and land issues and claims. They are currently led by a man named Tirumavalavan. As documented in chapters V and VIII, their members are continually harassed and detained by the police. Link
quote: Right from her undergraduate days, Rajani had yearned and fought for social justice and equality. Whether it be student issues, the discrimination against Tamils, the National Question or general strikes, she always aligned herself with the oppressed parties. She stood up in very delicate situations and argued, confronted and negotiated for the rights of the people. During her stay in Britain from 1983 to 1986, she, together with her postgraduate studies, participated in the various political and socio-cultural struggles of the black people. She shared in the striving of blacks for an end to discrimination and their recognition as a political force to be esteemed. She did this with her characteristic enthusiasm. It was particularly in the sphere of black women and feminism that she explored specific issues [/and concepts concerning women, within the broader framework of class, black struggles and other third world phenomena. Link
Don't go lecturing others on emotions, when you clearly are a deluded white woman. The fact remains is that white women will be viewed secondary in law, and will play a minimal role in technological development in the West. Oh, and I'm not African-American, nor "West African", so that childish superiority complex of yours has no context in my perspective. I maintain a rather stern position, vs you, because you're pretending to belong to the dominant class when you're just a woman.
I don't think one needs to confuse Bettyboo or whatever IT is with white women. And I don't want to bring animals into the equation either since they for the most part have more sense.LOL. IT is obviously possessed by some type of animal as evidenced by IT's monkey-brained inferences.
I hear you well, Dana. The truth is I do understand the issues faced amongst the "subordinate" gender. She is clearly employing a superiority complex, but that won't work with us.
The method I use tends to involve downright complementing sexism. I've have experience with cultures or regimes that are either "brutally" oppressive vs. women, or the variety we see in Western nations. The one where we're all equal, despite poverty being ridiculously feminized, and the housing crisis disproportionately affecting women, who were more likely to be on sub-prime loans.
I think we need to realize that there are several social "niggers" in America. Blacks are one of them. This was quite noticeable a century ago (just as it is now), when my relatives visited the West. It's just that, white women are tasked with producing that white child, while they're statistically, as a whole, in extreme poverty. Such a shame. You'd expect more modesty from the "other" side.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Bottom line black women were important players in women's suffrage even though they were doubly and triply affected by race and sexism in America. But for some black women to identify more with whites as women as opposed to their status as black women is a bit hilarious.
The point being that black women being involved in suffrage should not equate their plight to that of white women, even if they are both victims of sexism because white women were still white and prone to the same racism of white males.....
quote: Many African American women were highly active in the woman suffrage movement. In the antebellum period, like Anglo women, many black women became active abolitionists and supporters of women’s rights. Sojourner Truth, a former slave, became famous as both an abolitionist and an advocate of woman suffrage. In 1851, she made her famous speech, “Ain’t I A Woman,” at a convention in Akron, Ohio. Other black women suffragists from this time period include Margaretta Forten, Harriet Forten Purvis, and Mary Ann Shadd Cary.
Black women participated in the American Equal Rights Association, and later in both the National Woman Suffrage Association and the American Woman Suffrage Association. Historian Rosalyn Terborg-Penn argues that black women were drawn more to the AWSA than the NWSA as the AWSA supported the enfranchisement of black men.
In the 1880s and 1890s, black women, like their white counterparts, began to form woman’s clubs. Many of these clubs included suffrage as one plank in their broader platform. In 1896, many of these clubs affiliated to form the National Association of Colored Women (NACW), with Mary Church Terrell as president. From its founding until the passage of the 19th Amendment, the NACW included a department that worked for the advancement of woman suffrage. The National Baptist Woman’s Convention, another focal point of black women’s organizational power, also consistently supported woman suffrage. In addition, black women founded clubs that worked exclusively for woman’s suffrage, such as the Alpha Suffrage Club of Chicago, founded by Ida B. Wells in 1913.
Despite this strong support for woman’s suffrage, black women sometimes faced discrimination within the suffrage movement itself. From the end of the Civil War onwards, some white suffragists argued that enfranchising women would serve to cancel out the “Negro” vote, as there would be more white women voters than black men and women voters combined. Although some black clubwomen participated actively in the National American Woman Suffrage Association (NAWSA), the NAWSA did not always welcome them with open arms. In the 20th century, the NAWSA leadership sometimes discouraged black women’s clubs from attempting to affiliate with the NAWSA. Some Southern members of NAWSA argued for the enfranchisement of white women only. In addition, in the suffrage parade of 1913 organized by Alice Paul’s Congressional Union, black women were asked to march in a segregated unit. Ida B. Wells refused to do so, and slipped into her state’s delegation after the start of the parade.
Bob_01 wrote: ------------------------------------ but what I say will strike them ------------------------------------
And that is exactly what has to be done. Psychoanalyze them and tell them about themselves. You can't be passive and try to prove your worth to them as many idiots on this forum do. As a matter of fact it only emboldens them and makes them feel superior when fools do try to prove their worth to them.
Posted by Bob_01 (Member # 15687) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Bottom line black women were important players in women's suffrage even though they were doubly and triply affected by race and sexism in America. ]But for some black women to identify more with whites as women as opposed to their status as black women is a bit hilarious.
The point being that black women being involved in suffrage should not equate their plight to that of white women, even if they are both victims of sexism because white women were still white and prone to the same racism of white males.....
quote: Many African American women were highly active in the woman suffrage movement. In the antebellum period, like Anglo women, many black women became active abolitionists and supporters of women’s rights. Sojourner Truth, a former slave, became famous as both an abolitionist and an advocate of woman suffrage. In 1851, she made her famous speech, “Ain’t I A Woman,” at a convention in Akron, Ohio. Other black women suffragists from this time period include Margaretta Forten, Harriet Forten Purvis, and Mary Ann Shadd Cary.
Black women participated in the American Equal Rights Association, and later in both the National Woman Suffrage Association and the American Woman Suffrage Association. Historian Rosalyn Terborg-Penn argues that black women were drawn more to the AWSA than the NWSA as the AWSA supported the enfranchisement of black men.
In the 1880s and 1890s, black women, like their white counterparts, began to form woman’s clubs. Many of these clubs included suffrage as one plank in their broader platform. In 1896, many of these clubs affiliated to form the National Association of Colored Women (NACW), with Mary Church Terrell as president. From its founding until the passage of the 19th Amendment, the NACW included a department that worked for the advancement of woman suffrage. The National Baptist Woman’s Convention, another focal point of black women’s organizational power, also consistently supported woman suffrage. In addition, black women founded clubs that worked exclusively for woman’s suffrage, such as the Alpha Suffrage Club of Chicago, founded by Ida B. Wells in 1913.
Despite this strong support for woman’s suffrage, black women sometimes faced discrimination within the suffrage movement itself. From the end of the Civil War onwards, some white suffragists argued that enfranchising women would serve to cancel out the “Negro” vote, as there would be more white women voters than black men and women voters combined. Although some black clubwomen participated actively in the National American Woman Suffrage Association (NAWSA), the NAWSA did not always welcome them with open arms. In the 20th century, the NAWSA leadership sometimes discouraged black women’s clubs from attempting to affiliate with the NAWSA. Some Southern members of NAWSA argued for the enfranchisement of white women only. In addition, in the suffrage parade of 1913 organized by Alice Paul’s Congressional Union, black women were asked to march in a segregated unit. Ida B. Wells refused to do so, and slipped into her state’s delegation after the start of the parade.
Do you really think so? I mean, I've always seem to notice black men identifying more with "America", and emphasizing on "male-ness" in order to maximize that status. Don't get me wrong, there isn't anything "immoral" about America/n, but "black radicals" (as Hammer would say) in US politics, has a similar position on US foreign policy as some donkey living living in some trailer. It's a shame, especially when that section should lobby for those living in the third world.
As for Black women, they have more of a history developing female institutions WITHIN America than most non-Black (for the lack of a better term) women. People seem to assume that all "whites" lived in US for 500 years, when that's far from the truth. It hurts. Well I couldn't care less (just means I have to enhance my standings), but others here do, and that's going to be fact for a very long time.
I do wonder, how long did Bettyboo's ancestors live in the United States? Most kikes hardly lived in the land for a decade, and women in this community played a minor history cultivating the land unlike black women. Most enjoyed the gains women earn prior to their arrival. However over here, history is bunk, and everyone can be "smart", but they'd rather be office workers or retail clerks. On the other hand, I'd use that privilege in order to surpass past intellectual greats. As I said, one is never too old to enhance her or his standings in this world.
For instance, take Fawal's worthless "North African" mother. I mean, what the **** is she to America? She's probably played a limited role in the nation's development, and is not culturally tied to the land either. You don't need to be "smart" to notice that. Her place is in the Maghreb, where child prostitutes are as common as fat people in America. My cultural upbringing would suggest that such women ought to be executed, after realizing most I saw were actually Muslim. Oh, and as I said earlier, such a shame indeed.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Black Africans and their descendants should always identify with the plight of their cousins in the diaspora because they are all in the same boat. Therefore they should identify and lobby for each other because they are all under the same system that is trying to work against them.
Identifying with the culture of "others" does you no good if that "culture" exists to destroy the you and your identity. Hence, women's suffrage is a noble cause but for black women it was more than women's suffrage alone. So in this case I am speaking of that faux feminism among some black women who weren't even really accepted by white females to begin with.
But what institutions in America were developed by black females versus non black females?
Posted by Bob_01 (Member # 15687) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Black Africans and their descendants should always identify with the plight of their cousins in the diaspora because they are all in the same boat. Therefore they should identify and lobby for each other because they are all under the same system that is trying to work against them.
Identifying with the culture of "others" does you no good if that "culture" exists to destroy the you and your identity. Hence, women's suffrage is a noble cause but for black women it was more than women's suffrage alone. So in this case I am speaking of that faux feminism among some black women who weren't even really accepted by white females to begin with.
But what institutions in America were developed by black females versus non black females?
Agriculture, much of the textile industry, and the base of the American manufacturing economy. That input is what produced the America of today. Much of the white population, on the other hand, are rather recent migrants.
As for sexism, the issues that existed today hasn't disappeared. It has merely evolved as we see with the feminization of poverty. Women are economically channeled out, when attempting to live independently. Since Black men are far from saints, I doubt the decision to opt out of the family cannot be justified.
However, you've ignored a rather core position of my post: How about Black men? Many have distanced from Blacks and Black women, in order to approximate close to the "American" ideal. I understand that economics is an issue, but we men are hardly better (if not we're worse). African-"American" lobbyists do defend the interests of Blacks worldwide, as we see with other communities.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Segregation of black males and females as part of the commoditization of their labor is as standard practice in historical African communities enslaved or subject to colonialism. Likewise, the modern system corporate work does not promote families anyway and that is for blacks or whites. So I don't see any of this as a inherent issue with blacks as opposed to an issue with the system itself.
Again, the people aren't the problem it is the system itself because most of the "issues" you raised are simply symptoms of the larger problem. But the issue is that blacks should not lose sight of the fact that this SAME SYSTEM exists no matter where blacks are and the same symptoms are found as well.
Posted by Bob_01 (Member # 15687) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Segregation of black males and females as part of the commoditization of their labor is as standard practice in historical African communities enslaved or subject to colonialism. Likewise, the modern system corporate work does not promote families anyway and that is for blacks or whites. So I don't see any of this as a inherent issue with blacks as opposed to an issue with the system itself.
Again, the people aren't the problem it is the system itself because most of the "issues" you raised are simply symptoms of the larger problem. But the issue is that blacks should not lose sight of the fact that this SAME SYSTEM exists no matter where blacks are and the same symptoms are found as well.
I never implied that. It is considered sexism for a reason, because it runs through race. Besides what is wrong with women opting to live life independently? You need to start looking at the other side, i.e. male behavior.
Since we're dealing with the corporate paradigm, I'd suggest looking at nations such as India, Turkey, or Uganda. Marriage is much of a norm, and I'd argue that these populations are more exposed to corporate rule. Protectionism, the means of securing low-interest credit to make these barriers possible are clearly the greatest within the West.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
It isn't a question of whether you implied anything as opposed to your focus on sexism which has to be put into the context of the larger socio-political context in which it exists. All societies traditionally have different roles for men and women because sex is a fact of nature. Whether that is determined to be sexism is dependent on the specifics of each.
I mainly was focusing on the impact of the colonial and slave policies on African male and female units which must cooperate in order to reproduce life. That is survival. It is important to understand that for survival and to reverse the negative impacts of such policies on HEALTHY male/female relationships.
Male behaviors and traditional roles will always be found in any society and so will female traditional roles. Women will always be mothers no matter what and men will always be fathers.
And it is those policies and the impact on the fundamental unit of survival for black people that is my concern, not sexism for the sake of argument. That is why I mentioned black women championing suffrage as if that really made them free and equal with white women.....
For example, look at the incredible rise in rapes since colonialism in Africa. Look at the separate men's and women's hostels and work rules in Africa. These go beyond mere African traditions and reflect the impact of modern systems of socio-economics that are not governed by African traditional values.
So my point is why just focus on sexism in an abstract form and not remember the context in which it impacts blacks and their ability to define and reinforce healthy and productive roles for males and females and constructive relationships between them.
But don't let me hijack what you were trying to get at.
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