Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
Malevolent beings and esp. the dualism in Zoroastrianism predates and informs the construct of the Christian Devil. But it is still a Christian preserve. So you are still a dirty little whore.
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quote:.
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Boukmon wasn't devil worshipping he was praying to his own god,and yes Pat says the same thing about 911, I hope he dies a slow and very painfull death,the fundamentalist retard!!.
quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Boukmon wasn't devil worshipping he was praying to his own god,and yes Pat says the same thing about 911, I hope he dies a slow and very painfull death,the fundamentalist retard!!.
quote:Don't forget some of the Founding Fathers were Satanists too(Freemasons)
Originally posted by Marc Washington:
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Ye gads. Geesh. Give me a break.
And what are we to think of the dozens of storms, hurricanes, and forest fires that whallop America each year?
Like Haiti, isn't California on the brink of economic disaster and isn't it regularly hit with monster forest fire after forest fire? And didn't it get the rumblings of a 6.5 earthquake off its coast just a week ago - a reminder of things to come to the mainland?
And didn't the US suffer from the worst snow storm crippling the northwest through northeast at last years end?
Before the coming autumn, the US will be hit with at least half-a-dozen killer hurricanes no likely.
According to P. R., this would have to be God's judgment, too.
Pat Robeson is a brain-dead zombie who needs to get a life.
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quote:Second. Perhaps a necklace may be appropriate for Robertson.
Boukmon wasn't devil worshipping he was praying to his own god,and yes Pat says the same thing about 911, I hope he dies a slow and very painfull death,the fundamentalist retard!!.
quote:This
Originally posted by Apocalypse:
Brada Anansi wrote:quote:Second. Perhaps a necklace may be appropriate for Robertson.
Boukmon wasn't devil worshipping he was praying to his own god,and yes Pat says the same thing about 911, I hope he dies a slow and very painfull death,the fundamentalist retard!!.
quote:Thanks RA. I like your information..
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Here is the Boukmon pact/curse he placed on all descendants of Haiti.
We swear to destroy the whites
and all they possess.
Let us die rather than fail
to keep this vow (Parkinson, 1978).
Pat Robertson was some what correct in what he claimed, although it can be argued whether the loa that Boukmon made the pact w/was a devil or God. I venture to say a devil. Contracts with a death sentence as a punitive clause are usually, if not wholly, ascribed to the Devil.
As a Haitian, this tragedy has given me pause. We Haitians really need to re-assess our belief.
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Here is the Boukmon pact/curse he placed on all descendants of Haiti.
We swear to destroy the whites
and all they possess.
Let us die rather than fail
to keep this vow (Parkinson, 1978).
Thanks RA. I like your style..
So Haitians are suffering
cause they dissed the Maroon program...
They got caught in Babylonian pursuits
and forgot the imperative of liberation
and worshipped false American gods
fornicated with white men and women
taught they were having fun
whereas they had forgotten the raison d'etre
They had forgotten the program
"kill the pinks"
"free your brethren..."
otherwise die!!!
Seen..the Boukman curse is real
Thanks.
By the way Brada Anansi or RA this is for you: Boukman was the Jamaican Maroon, was he not?
Pat Robertson was some what correct in what he claimed, although it can be argued whether the loa that Boukmon made the pact w/was a devil or God. I venture to say a devil. Contracts with a death sentence as a punitive clause are usually, if not wholly, ascribed to the Devil.
As a Haitian, this tragedy has given me pause. We Haitians really need to re-assess our belief.
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
So Haitians are suffering
cause they dissed the Maroon program...
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Thanks RA. I like your information..
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Here is the Boukmon pact/curse he placed on all descendants of Haiti.
We swear to destroy the whites
and all they possess.
Let us die rather than fail
to keep this vow (Parkinson, 1978).
Pat Robertson was some what correct in what he claimed, although it can be argued whether the loa that Boukmon made the pact w/was a devil or God. I venture to say a devil. Contracts with a death sentence as a punitive clause are usually, if not wholly, ascribed to the Devil.
As a Haitian, this tragedy has given me pause. We Haitians really need to re-assess our belief.
It was a sad even that happin in Haiti
made me puzzled and made me sad...
but now I know better...thanks for the info.
So Haitians are suffering
cause they dissed the Maroon program...
Boukman invoke OGUN, the West African
God of War, Iron and Technology.
He is the husband to Osun
the goddess of love, beauty and riches.
They are real...I call on them everyday.
That law is like the Mosaic law
found in the books of Deteuronomy
Exodus and Judges.
"kill the heathens, run the pinks
kick the bald heads pinkies
outta town.."
So Haitians like you, now know
where you are coming from...
and where you gonna get to
You got caught in Babylonian pursuits
and forgot the imperative of liberation
and worshipped false American gods
fornicated with white men and women
taught they were having fun
whereas they had forgotten the raison d'etre
They had forgotten the program
"kill the pinks"
"free your brethren..."
otherwise die!!!
Seen..the Boukman curse is real
the Loas have arisen in Haiti
they have arisen!!!
Watch what goin happin
in the western hemisphere
this year....this year
Remember the words
of Ironlion, the son of Ogun
the West African God of Iron!
Thanks.
By the way Brada Anansi or RA this is for you: Boukman was the Jamaican Maroon, was he not?
IronLion
quote:Yes they have and they are hungry. They were promised 'white meat,' which the Haitians did not give them as promised . So, these same loas are now settling for 'dark meat.' Loas must eat (as you well know) and require that humans feed them.
Originally posted by IronLion:
the Loas have arisen in Haiti
they have arisen!!!
quote:It ain't going to happen. The West has a nearly impenetrable defense (infrastructure) against the loas. It is called "TECHNOLOGY." Remember that. That is what seperates tribal forces from civilized forces.
Watch what goin happin
in the western hemisphere
this year....this year
quote:I am archiving this. In a yrs time I will resurrect this thread. Hopefully you will still be a member of the board.
Remember the words
of Ironlion, the son of Ogun
the West African God of Iron!
quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Yes Lion some say he was Jamaican such is the connectivty between the folks in the isles of the caribbean and extended to the mainland north and south.
Recovering Alcoholic,yee has got to be amongst the biggest of uncle toms I have came across, if you are indeed black and Haitian, here you have hundreds of thousands if the figure is right of your supposed countrymen dying or dead and all you can do is defend a racist phony..who loves not his neighbours..who perfers to have the French and others sing onward Christian soldiers while they make mass murder and rape of your supposed countrymen,never mind that the French and others probably took holy sacraments and asked god for victory before going into battle to reenslave the freedom fighters. Saying that if you do have family there I hope they are OK.
quote:
Originally posted by Hammer:
You can pour money into Hati until the end of time and nothing will change. It is not a functioning society and literally has no future.
You have to feel sorry for the innocent, simple people but there is no solution to their problems.
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
^Isn't it time that you Negros, all over the world, get past that superstitious sh1t?
This latest "NATURAL" disaster in Haiti was compounded because Haitians notoriously prefer fighting each other, rather than working together to build their country - same, same, in Africa.
If you all used religion to facilitate that type of behavior (unifying), then I could understand continuing it's use. But it seems that all you Negros want it for, is for protection from the natural things that you don't understand, and are afraid off.
Maybe you would be better off taking up science, and trying to learn about the things that frighten you.
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
Recovering Afro-holic - Not meaning to sound unsympathetic, but Haiti sits on a decent piece of land.
It was "MADE" a hell by the people living ON it.
quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Look this is what I know Loas are not Devils the Devil is part of the Christian religion,the Loas are
African non Abrhamic deities if they made a pact then it is with deites of their own world view, not Christian. so they cannot be devils in the Christian sense.
quote:There must be more you're not telling us.
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/henry-liberty.html
quote:
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Here is the Boukmon pact/curse he placed on all descendants of Haiti.
We swear to destroy the whites
and all they possess.
Let us die rather than fail
to keep this vow (Parkinson, 1978).
Pat Robertson was some what correct in what he claimed, although it can be argued whether the loa that Boukmon made the pact w/was a devil or God. I venture to say a devil. Contracts with a death sentence as a punitive clause are usually, if not wholly, ascribed to the Devil.
As a Haitian, this tragedy has given me pause. We Haitians really need to re-assess our belief.
quote:
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Yo for real dude, shut your hole. You do not know **** about Haitian history.
quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Boukmon wasn't devil worshipping he was praying to his own god,and yes Pat says the same thing about 911, I hope he dies a slow and very painfull death,the fundamentalist retard!!.
quote:
Ever been to a RA RA? Ever been to a voodoo ritual? Shut your hole boy when you don't know sh*t about Haiti.
quote:Haiti DOES seem like Somalia west, doesn't it. Tribalism and superstition, has no place in the modern world, but these people (and many others in similar circumstance) don't seem to get it.
Originally posted by Hammer:
You can pour money into Hati until the end of time and nothing will change. It is not a functioning society and literally has no future.
You have to feel sorry for the innocent, simple people but there is no solution to their problems.
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Please elucidate. I see nowhere no mention of any
loa or orisha. I only see a rallying cry similar to one
USA patriot minus any invocation of deity. There must be more you're not telling us.
quote:[/QB]
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Here is the Boukmon pact/curse he placed on all descendants of Haiti.
We swear to destroy the whites
and all they possess.
Let us die rather than fail
to keep this vow (Parkinson, 1978).
Pat Robertson was some what correct in what he claimed, although it can be argued whether the loa that Boukmon made the pact w/was a devil or God. I venture to say a devil. Contracts with a death sentence as a punitive clause are usually, if not wholly, ascribed to the Devil.
As a Haitian, this tragedy has given me pause. We Haitians really need to re-assess our belief.
quote:OK so in what way is Ogoun equated with the Devil?
If you know anything about the history of Haitian worship during slavery, the people masqueraded their loas with christian saints and personages. The god or loa invoked (in the prayer) is Ogoun, since he is the god in charge of military campaigns.
quote:My statement above was:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Mike how old was the Nok culture? how long did it survived? what did it produce? how many spin-off Civilizations did it produced how long did they survived?,are they still surviving? did aspects of that culture cross the Atlantic and boost and enriched modern Euro-American culture north/south Anglo and Latin?
quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Recovering Alcoholic
quote:OK so in what way is Ogoun equated with the Devil?
If you know anything about the history of Haitian worship during slavery, the people masqueraded their loas with christian saints and personages. The god or loa invoked (in the prayer) is Ogoun, since he is the god in charge of military campaigns.
quote:Recovering Afro-holic - You are such a Black hating idiot. What is different in this prayer than in any other religions prayers.
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Here is the translation (translated by Recovering Afroholic) of the above prayer:
"Good Lord who created the land, who created the sun that gives us clarity around. Good Lord who holds the ocean in his hand. Who created the loud thunder. Good Lord who has ears to hear us, or who hides in the snow. Who is watching us from where you are. You see all that the whites do, making us suffer. The white God makes him commit evil. Good Lord that is in us bades us do good. If he can steer our arms to achieve the victory. If he can give us assistance. We all need to rid the portrayal/image of the white god, "those who are dry of water in the eyes." hear the voice of liberty that is singing in our hearts."
quote:You dirty whore nothing in the passage mentions "the devil". Thats a Christian construct.
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
As I said earlier, "Contracts with a death sentence as a punitive clause are usually, if not wholly, ascribed to the Devil."
quote:
Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
quote:You dirty whore nothing in the passage mentions "the devil". Thats a Christian construct.
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
As I said earlier, "Contracts with a death sentence as a punitive clause are usually, if not wholly, ascribed to the Devil."
quote:The above is almost..Christian in it's composition except that they view the god of the Whites ie Christians as evil,and given the brutal treatment under slavery one can understand why. btw this is the kind of contribution you should be producing..thanks.
"Good Lord who created the land, who created the sun that gives us clarity around. Good Lord who holds the ocean in his hand. Who created the loud thunder. Good Lord who has ears to hear us, or who hides in the snow. Who is watching us from where you are. You see all that the whites do, making us suffer. The white God makes him commit evil. Good Lord that is in us bades us do good. If he can steer our arms to achieve the victory. If he can give us assistance. We all need to rid the portrayal/image of the white god, "those who are dry of water in the eyes." hear the voice of liberty that is singing in our hearts."
quote:
quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Hey man look,when as Christians going into battle you have the priest blessing the troops and praying for victory on the battle field,what actually is being asked for is that God guide your hand to kill the other whom ever they maybe,sometimes other Christians. I don't see the big difference,
look at your translation for example;
quote:The above is almost..Christian in it's composition except that they view the god of the Whites ie Christians as evil,and given the brutal treatment under slavery one can understand why. btw this is the kind of contribution you should be producing..thanks.
"Good Lord who created the land, who created the sun that gives us clarity around. Good Lord who holds the ocean in his hand. Who created the loud thunder. Good Lord who has ears to hear us, or who hides in the snow. Who is watching us from where you are. You see all that the whites do, making us suffer. The white God makes him commit evil. Good Lord that is in us bades us do good. If he can steer our arms to achieve the victory. If he can give us assistance. We all need to rid the portrayal/image of the white god, "those who are dry of water in the eyes." hear the voice of liberty that is singing in our hearts."
quote:
quote:LOL Only "argument" on this is between you and your pimp Pat Robertson, you dirty whore. The devil is a Christian construct.
it can be argued whether the loa that Boukmon made the pact w/was a devil or God.
quote:
Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
quote:LOL Only "argument" on this is between you and your pimp Pat Robertson, you dirty whore. The devil is a Christian construct.
it can be argued whether the loa that Boukmon made the pact w/was a devil or God.
quote:
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Here is the rest of the prayer (Kreyol/Creole):
Bon Dje ki fè la tè. Ki fè soley ki klere nou enro. Bon Dje ki soulve lanmè. Ki fè gronde loray. Bon Dje nou ki gen zorey pou tande. Ou ki kache nan niaj. Kap gade nou kote ou ye la. Ou we tout sa blan fè nou sibi. Dje blan yo mande krim. Bon Dje ki nan nou an vle byen fè. Bon Dje nou an ki si bon, ki si jis, li ordone vanjans. Se li kap kondui branou pou nou ranpote la viktwa. Se li kap ba nou asistans. Nou tout fet pou nou jete potre dje Blan yo ki swaf dlo lan zye. Koute vwa la libète kap chante lan kè nou.
If you know anything about the history of Haitian worship during slavery, the people masqueraded their loas with christian saints and personages. The god or loa invoked (in the prayer) is Ogoun, since he is the god in charge of military campaigns.
quote:[/QB]
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Please elucidate. I see nowhere no mention of any
loa or orisha. I only see a rallying cry similar to one
USA patriot minus any invocation of deity. There must be more you're not telling us.
quote:
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Here is the Boukmon pact/curse he placed on all descendants of Haiti.
We swear to destroy the whites
and all they possess.
Let us die rather than fail
to keep this vow (Parkinson, 1978).
Pat Robertson was some what correct in what he claimed, although it can be argued whether the loa that Boukmon made the pact w/was a devil or God. I venture to say a devil. Contracts with a death sentence as a punitive clause are usually, if not wholly, ascribed to the Devil.
As a Haitian, this tragedy has given me pause. We Haitians really need to re-assess our belief.
quote:
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
The loas of Haiti are impotent, that is, impotent on a global scale. They cannot project any power beyond their local confines.
quote:An improvement in what way? Seems things were more orderly and better when they were "superstitious" rather than when Islam and Christianity was accepted/politically used.
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Haiti DOES seem like Somalia west, doesn't it. Tribalism and superstition, has no place in the modern world, but these people (and many others in similar circumstance) don't seem to get it.
Originally posted by Hammer:
You can pour money into Hati until the end of time and nothing will change. It is not a functioning society and literally has no future.
You have to feel sorry for the innocent, simple people but there is no solution to their problems.
Those that do give up the old superstitious religions, do so only to embrace Christianity or Islam, while that is an improvement, it's not much of an improvement .
When will these people learn that it is in their hands only. Success and failure depends on what they do, and that thing that we call "LUCK."
Of course, there are those that will say that luck is a Gods prerogative, and maybe it is. But experience tells us that luck is unaffected by what we do or wish, it is what it is.
Too often, the superstitious miss the point that if their God can deliver them from their troubles, then their God must have ALLOWED their troubles in the first place.
Of course, some will say, yes we know that. We must have SINNED, and now we have to do weird things to make up for our sins, so that once again we can be in our Gods favor.
On and on.
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
^Isn't it time that you Negros, all over the world, get past that superstitious sh1t?
This latest "NATURAL" disaster in Haiti was compounded because Haitians notoriously prefer fighting each other, rather than working together to build their country - same, same, in Africa.
If you all used religion to facilitate that type of behavior (unifying), then I could understand continuing it's use. But it seems that all you Negros want it for, is for protection from the natural things that you don't understand, and are afraid of.
Maybe you would be better off taking up science, and trying to learn about the things that frighten you.
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quote:
Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
Malevolent beings and esp. the dualism in Zoroastrianism predates and informs the construct of the Christian Devil. But it is still a Christian preserve. So you are still a dirty little whore.
quote:LOL! Of course not, dirty whore, I never made a distinction.
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
First it was a xtian construct. Now it's a xtian preserve. You make up **** as you go along when losing an argument don't you.
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Thanks for the exact quote though I do not know
Krio at all I can pass it onto one of my old friends
who do.
But doesn't the Xian's devil correspond to the
orisha Eshu (sp)? And isn't Eshu invoked no
matter what the request?
I balk at equating practice of African spirituality
automatically as devil worship. That seems the
height of Eurocentricity to me.
quote:[/QB]
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Here is the rest of the prayer (Kreyol/Creole):
Bon Dje ki fè la tè. Ki fè soley ki klere nou enro. Bon Dje ki soulve lanmè. Ki fè gronde loray. Bon Dje nou ki gen zorey pou tande. Ou ki kache nan niaj. Kap gade nou kote ou ye la. Ou we tout sa blan fè nou sibi. Dje blan yo mande krim. Bon Dje ki nan nou an vle byen fè. Bon Dje nou an ki si bon, ki si jis, li ordone vanjans. Se li kap kondui branou pou nou ranpote la viktwa. Se li kap ba nou asistans. Nou tout fet pou nou jete potre dje Blan yo ki swaf dlo lan zye. Koute vwa la libète kap chante lan kè nou.
If you know anything about the history of Haitian worship during slavery, the people masqueraded their loas with christian saints and personages. The god or loa invoked (in the prayer) is Ogoun, since he is the god in charge of military campaigns.
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Please elucidate. I see nowhere no mention of any
loa or orisha. I only see a rallying cry similar to one
USA patriot minus any invocation of deity. There must be more you're not telling us.
quote:
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Here is the Boukmon pact/curse he placed on all descendants of Haiti.
We swear to destroy the whites
and all they possess.
Let us die rather than fail
to keep this vow (Parkinson, 1978).
Pat Robertson was some what correct in what he claimed, although it can be argued whether the loa that Boukmon made the pact w/was a devil or God. I venture to say a devil. Contracts with a death sentence as a punitive clause are usually, if not wholly, ascribed to the Devil.
As a Haitian, this tragedy has given me pause. We Haitians really need to re-assess our belief.
quote:Now the whore puts it in quotes. I like that. LOL!
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Many of the Loas have "devilish" ways
quote:
Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
quote:LOL! Of course not, dirty whore, I never made a distinction.
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
First it was a xtian construct. Now it's a xtian preserve. You make up **** as you go along when losing an argument don't you.
quote:WTF?! Are they contradictory in the context I used? My god, you really need to give that d!ck yu sucking a rest lady!
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Ohh okay so the contruct and preserve are now the same
quote:
Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
quote:WTF?! Are they contradictory in the context I used? My god, you really need to give that d!ck yu sucking a rest lady!
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Ohh okay so the contruct and preserve are now the same
quote:So preserve means 'copy', eh dirty whore? Oh Jesus, what am I do with them hoes? ...
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
You changed your argument, from "xtian-contruct" (origination) to "xtian-preserve" (copy)
quote:LOL
But when you were refuted on that
quote:
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Many of the Loas have "devilish" ways. There is no ONE specific voodoo spirit you can equate to the xtian devil. At the time of the oath, Boukmon evoked Ogoun. I provided you with a quote explaining how Ogoun can flip on the very people giving him adulation.
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Thanks for the exact quote though I do not know
Krio at all I can pass it onto one of my old friends
who do.
But doesn't the Xian's devil correspond to the
orisha Eshu (sp)? And isn't Eshu invoked no
matter what the request?
I balk at equating practice of African spirituality
automatically as devil worship. That seems the
height of Eurocentricity to me.
quote:
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Here is the rest of the prayer (Kreyol/Creole):
Bon Dje ki fè la tè. Ki fè soley ki klere nou enro. Bon Dje ki soulve lanmè. Ki fè gronde loray. Bon Dje nou ki gen zorey pou tande. Ou ki kache nan niaj. Kap gade nou kote ou ye la. Ou we tout sa blan fè nou sibi. Dje blan yo mande krim. Bon Dje ki nan nou an vle byen fè. Bon Dje nou an ki si bon, ki si jis, li ordone vanjans. Se li kap kondui branou pou nou ranpote la viktwa. Se li kap ba nou asistans. Nou tout fet pou nou jete potre dje Blan yo ki swaf dlo lan zye. Koute vwa la libète kap chante lan kè nou.
If you know anything about the history of Haitian worship during slavery, the people masqueraded their loas with christian saints and personages. The god or loa invoked (in the prayer) is Ogoun, since he is the god in charge of military campaigns.
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Please elucidate. I see nowhere no mention of any
loa or orisha. I only see a rallying cry similar to one
USA patriot minus any invocation of deity. There must be more you're not telling us.
quote:
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Here is the Boukmon pact/curse he placed on all descendants of Haiti.
We swear to destroy the whites
and all they possess.
Let us die rather than fail
to keep this vow (Parkinson, 1978).
Pat Robertson was some what correct in what he claimed, although it can be argued whether the loa that Boukmon made the pact w/was a devil or God. I venture to say a devil. Contracts with a death sentence as a punitive clause are usually, if not wholly, ascribed to the Devil.
As a Haitian, this tragedy has given me pause. We Haitians really need to re-assess our belief.
quote:Im sorry but I have to agree with Mike and Alchoholic on this one. The Haitians live in Dire poverty and sit on a land that is used right could make them as wealthy as their other Black neighbors the Dominicans. Now if the Black Dominicans can produce a stable Nation what is Haiti's problem. I mean they had building that basically in Engineering terms had no foundation and the concrete was not reinforced?? The Earthquake situation just made a bad thing worse. I really hope the Haitians learn from this event.
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Honestly, in my heart of hearts, I feel my people should completely abandon that part of the island and move to Africa or Venuzuela (if they would have us) or any place that would receive us.
Ayiti (Haiti) has literally become HELL.
quote:
Originally posted by Hammer:
You can pour money into Hati until the end of time and nothing will change. It is not a functioning society and literally has no future.
You have to feel sorry for the innocent, simple people but there is no solution to their problems.
quote:Please explain the core difference between true Yoruba beleifs and say...Shinto?
Originally posted by Mike111:
Gaul, respectfully - the peace, prosperity, and enlightenment of Africa, makes it clear which of us is right.
quote:
Originally posted by The Gaul:
quote:Please explain the core difference between true Yoruba beleifs and say...Shinto?
Originally posted by Mike111:
Gaul, respectfully - the peace, prosperity, and enlightenment of Africa, makes it clear which of us is right.
quote:*sigh*
Originally posted by Mike111:
Gaul - Shinto is not Buddhism. But it doesn't matter, my point was that ALL Black people need to move away from mystical religions.
quote:Simple, do as every OTHER country with external enemies has done. CLOSE THE BORDER and put your people to work building their country!!!
Originally posted by JMT2:
For starters The Dominican Republic wasn't burdened with astronomical debt for liberating themselves from their colonial masters. Secondly, the U.S. and other western countries blatant hypocrisy when doing business with dictators such as Haiti's Papa Doc. This thug was a "friend" to the West only because he was considered a free market capitalist. In the eyes of the West an exclusive fraternity of dictators can ravage, steal, murder, and plunder their countries resources just as long as these dictators play ball with West and their proxy multi-national corporations. The U.S. has staged coups in every one of Haiti's democratic elections. I find it disingenuous the media (but not surprised) is focusing on Haiti's poverty rather than focusing on the underline cause while not contributing an honest critique of why the Haitians are suffering and have always suffered in the way they are. How can Haitians function under this constant wave of destabilization from external forces?
quote:China's "stellar results" is as a result of open policy, international trade. Cuba's not so stellar results is a consequence of embargo, opposite of the China treatment.
Originally posted by Mike111:
China and Cuba did this with stellar results.
quote:Shinto is not Buddism, but the "Shintoist" version is what is practiced in Nikkon, if not purely. Yet, that place is the only asian country rich enough to be part of the G8. Ask Bradda.
Originally posted by Mike111:
Jari-Ankhamun - No, I don't think that the Haitians will learn anything from this. Millions of people, including myself, will have sent them money and aid. Thus they will have been bailed out from yet another crisis or catastrophe. Like WAAAAY too many Blacks, they are getting USED to getting bailed out from their own mistakes, that is not good.
Gaul - Shinto is not Buddhism. But it doesn't matter, my point was that ALL Black people need to move away from mystical religions.
quote:Yes you are right as a matter of fact most Japanese are born Shinto married Christian and die Buddhist,what they don't have is this our father can whoop your father who art in heaven mentality they freely move around all three and more,economic stagnation have to with incompetent or corrupt leaders plus outside meddling or forces of nature.
Shinto is not Buddism, but the "Shintoist" version is what is practiced in Nikkon, if not purely. Yet, that place is the only asian country rich enough to be part of the G8. Ask Bradda. You see, "mysticism" ain't so bad after all is it
quote:Seconded.
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Haiti is a failed state because they carried a disproportionate amount of corrupt leaders in the west plus the examples given by JMT and little do with their religions for those people and religions hails from Civilizations back in Africa that were stable and successful for thousands of years.
The Gaul
quote:Yes you are right as a matter of fact most Japanese are born Shinto married Christian and die Buddhist,what they don't have is this our father can whoop your father who art in heaven mentality they freely move around all three and more,economic stagnation have to with incompetent or corrupt leaders plus outside meddling or forces of nature.
Shinto is not Buddism, but the "Shintoist" version is what is practiced in Nikkon, if not purely. Yet, that place is the only asian country rich enough to be part of the G8. Ask Bradda. You see, "mysticism" ain't so bad after all is it
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quote:That was funny as hell..
The curse of Boukman pon tha whole of unu blasphemers ras'claat...
quote:OK..Goodnight BradaAnansi..
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Lion you need to stop.
quote:That was funny as hell..
The curse of Boukman pon tha whole of unu blasphemers ras'claat...
quote:Brada-Anansi - I am beginning to believe that you and the other African spiritualist brothers are delusional.
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Haiti is a failed state because they carried a disproportionate amount of corrupt leaders in the west plus the examples given by JMT and little do with their religions for those people and religions hails from Civilizations back in Africa that were stable and successful for thousands of years.
quote:Was India diced up?
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Brada-Anansi - ...Here are some facts; at the turn of the 20th. century, the CONTINENT of Africa, which is about 3 1/2 times the size of Europe, and with at least 2 times the population of Europe; was occupied, sliced and diced up, and RULED by European governments a thousand miles away.
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Haiti is a failed state because they carried a disproportionate amount of corrupt leaders in the west plus the examples given by JMT and little do with their religions for those people and religions hails from Civilizations back in Africa that were stable and successful for thousands of years.
I am TELLING you, that any people and their belief systems, which could allow such a thing are LACKING!!!
A track record like that is nothing to hold up as an example of something that has worked for anybody, but the Europeans who had such an easy time overcoming it.
quote:Bro, keep outta this...
Originally posted by MindoverMatter718:
Lol, poor lil Mikey gettin beat down wherever he goes...
quote:Mike
Originally posted by Mike111:
Lion - I'm not buying that.
Was India diced up?
What is the size of India?
Since the arian invasion, India has been a racially confused country fighting itself. Many enjoyed the White mans presence, he brought a measure of unity and peace.
What about China?
Were they made to kow-tow
before Pinkie for 200 years?
Neither the British nor the Japanese conquered China, they controlled PARTS of China.
What about the Japanese?
The Irish who were driven
completely off their lands?
Ireland is a very small country.
The Moors who were slaughtered
in Europe;
The Moors were the invaders
the first nations genocided
in the Americas
The indigenous Americans, like the Africans, had a belief system and an outlook which was severely LACKING!!!
Mikee, Mikee.
your testiness speaks
more to an inadequacy u struggle
with, rather than the capacity
of Africans!
When I hear Mike
call a Pink man a Whiteman
I know he still has miles to go...
What is that? The latest Blackspeak mumbo jumbo? Call him what you like, but as long as he can kick your ass, you might need to call him Mister.
So rather than finding new names to call him, you might want to spend some time finding ways to keep him from kicking your ass.
quote:
Originally posted by The Gaul:
quote:Shinto is not Buddism, but the "Shintoist" version is what is practiced in Nikkon, if not purely. Yet, that place is the only asian country rich enough to be part of the G8. Ask Bradda.
Originally posted by Mike111:
Jari-Ankhamun - No, I don't think that the Haitians will learn anything from this. Millions of people, including myself, will have sent them money and aid. Thus they will have been bailed out from yet another crisis or catastrophe. Like WAAAAY too many Blacks, they are getting USED to getting bailed out from their own mistakes, that is not good.
Gaul - Shinto is not Buddhism. But it doesn't matter, my point was that ALL Black people need to move away from mystical religions.
You see, "mysticism" ain't so bad after all is it?
quote:Greetings.
The curse of Boukman pon
tha whole of unu blasphemers
ras'claat...
quote:China had and still spends a ridiculous amount of capital on infrastructure development. Its definitely a lot greater than say India, when run by Marxists. Western pressures made it difficult to develop core infrastructure in a similar manner. China being much less valuable resource-wise and larger ( thus more costly to contain militarily) is why it has been able to remain relatively stable.
Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
quote:China's "stellar results" is as a result of open policy, international trade. Cuba's not so stellar results is a consequence of embargo, opposite of the China treatment.
Originally posted by Mike111:
China and Cuba did this with stellar results.
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
Jari-Ankhamun - No, I don't think that the Haitians will learn anything from this. Millions of people, including myself, will have sent them money and aid. Thus they will have been bailed out from yet another crisis or catastrophe. Like WAAAAY too many Blacks, they are getting USED to getting bailed out from their own mistakes, that is not good.
Gaul - Shinto is not Buddhism. But it doesn't matter, my point was that ALL Black people need to move away from mystical religions.
quote:
Originally posted by Grumman:
Alco-holic, given your antics on this site why should anyone believe this from you:
''My mother just told me over the phone how the relief trucks came in to distribute the essentials. You know what the Haitians did? They threw the food on the floor and accused the distributors of trying to give them spoiled food to poison them. They were shown the expiration dates to prove that their fear was unfounded, but the Haitians did not believe them. So the truck had no choice but to drive away. Here is where it gets funny..... As the trucks drive away, the Haitians start to chase the truck!! WHY?!!'' (LOL).
quote:Just wrong on this! First you should write "entitlement" not "self-entitlement".
Listen, the Negro has always had this "SELF-ENTITLEMENT" attitude. You see, the Negro is shiftless and deep down inside has an inferior complex before the whiteman. He expects the whiteman to take care of him because he cannot do it on his own.
quote:I concur with all of the above, except that it doesn't stop at athletic prowess. The general sentiment is that white ppl are odd and generally wierd...FWIW. I've also heard this is the sentiment in Japan. Am I right Brada?
Originally posted by lamin:
quote:Just wrong on this! First you should write "entitlement" not "self-entitlement".
Listen, the Negro has always had this "SELF-ENTITLEMENT" attitude. You see, the Negro is shiftless and deep down inside has an inferior complex before the whiteman. He expects the whiteman to take care of him because he cannot do it on his own.
In any case, I don't know where you get the idea of black inferiority complex from. Some blacks, sure; just as some whites feel inferior to blacks in some areas.
Most Blacks[males especially] certainly feel superior to whites --correctly of not-- in the areas of athletic prowess and attractiveness to women in general--again whether rightly or wrongly. I have heard black men boast about how white women tarvel thousands of miles from Europe to visit them in Africa--often leaving their husbands behind. This may seem childishly vain, but the point is that most blacks have no feelings of inferiority towards whites in matters concerning the real and practical world.
In academic matters Africans claim that they are just as good or even better than whites in their own universities in Europe of America.
And Africa's relative underdevelopment is usually attributed to corrupt leaders who are accused of having inferiority complexes towards the whites. It is also claimed that whites are afraid of proper African leaders so they plot to have them killed or overthrown.
quote:
Originally posted by The Gaul:
I've also heard this is the sentiment in Japan. Am I right Brada?
But yeah Japan as well as any place else has it's ways but it ain't hard living and working here,ask ma 6 figure ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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quote:Brada, I am getting almost convinced
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
If you are adding to the society ie employing people
creating jobs and the like you good,if you are in competition for a job a Micky Ds then why you are here? for real though if skills that's needed you are good as gold for example alot of folks make a decent living teaching English,some go on to open a number of English schools..making mad money but these are mostly Americans and English/Aussies of all stripes,..Africans mostly traders,Jamaicans and Dominicans Bars Clubs,Car-parts or Car for export,if you find a niche it ain't that bad all you need is start up capital,and unlike Korea you don't need to partner up with any Japanese you buy land, can 100% own your own business. But come with something even if it's only an idea..if you have no money you can generally find someone to back you.Not the direction I took btw.. but.. hay!!..
quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Recovering Alcoholic
While the Japanese are far from being non racist to anyone what you posted is out of context Bull-Sh!t I know the Em CM and their logo..stupid yes meant as a slur against blacks no!but let this guy explain better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g71688iaL0I
The times piece is correct in that the Sambo type dolls and black-face were popular and considered cute,how ever that was an introduction from White people going back to the very first contact with Americans under Commodore Perry who introduced black-faced minstrel show,on his visit in 1852,of course very few if any blacks could counter those negative images of blacks untill quite recently..as a matter of facts during the occupation the White service men used to spread a rumor that Blacks had tails,the reason to discourage competition in getting females. But this was done world wide,and yes all that crap melts away when the average Japanese or other folks get to know the average Black.Btw the situation about competition about sex guess who won that hands down.. yess the Black dudes..why?? another very very vicious rumor that Black dudes did not do a damned thing to despell is the size of their.. DICKS!!shame on them!!..now an average brother can't even have some.. quite alone time on any-given nite at a club or bar..
making boyz who happends to be mostly Africans..especially Nigerians..naaw the little bull-sh!it we put up with sometimes is just an annoyance,not like anything we face back home if home is the US..OF..A , hop on a plane and have a look-see
quote:Mike111 and Afronut while I am not a spiritualist I will say that when a said culture finds a natural religion THAT works for them they can advance. Egypt was a nature spiritial religion based on cults no different than other African and Mesoamerican and American Indian cults. The Egyptians at one point were a world Power. The problem is that all of these cultures usually are so in touch with the spirits they Invite the invaders and cause their own demise. I mean how could Millions of Indians lose to a couple hundred European invaders? Haiti's problem is not some pact of the Devil becuase the U.S has its fair share of Devil worshippers..its fault it its failure to advance its self.
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
We see I-2-I on this one Mike111. Let us savour this moment while it last. For surely it is one of those once in a life time moment (LOL).
Listen, the Negro has always had this "SELF-ENTITLEMENT" attitude. You see, the Negro is shiftless and deep down inside has an inferior complex before the whiteman. He expects the whiteman to take care of him because he cannot do it on his own.
My mother just told me over the phone how the relief trucks came in to distribute the essentials. You know what the Haitians did? They threw the food on the floor and accused the distributors of trying to give them spoiled food to poison them. They were shown the expiration dates to prove that their fear was unfounded, but the Haitians did not believe them. So the truck had no choice but to drive away. Here is where it gets funny..... As the trucks drive away, the Haitians start to chase the truck!! WHY?!! (LOL).
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
Jari-Ankhamun - No, I don't think that the Haitians will learn anything from this. Millions of people, including myself, will have sent them money and aid. Thus they will have been bailed out from yet another crisis or catastrophe. Like WAAAAY too many Blacks, they are getting USED to getting bailed out from their own mistakes, that is not good.
Gaul - Shinto is not Buddhism. But it doesn't matter, my point was that ALL Black people need to move away from mystical religions.
quote:The Japanese, from what I remembered, are decent people. You don't get that Jesus Christ feeling either. That is, the worship of white people which seems to be extremely common worldwide. Most assessments of white people are exaggerated or downright bullshit.
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
In other words, Japanese are racist towards Blacks. Thank you for confirming that.
quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Recovering Alcoholic
While the Japanese are far from being non racist to anyone what you posted is out of context Bull-Sh!t I know the Em CM and their logo..stupid yes meant as a slur against blacks no!but let this guy explain better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g71688iaL0I
The times piece is correct in that the Sambo type dolls and black-face were popular and considered cute,how ever that was an introduction from White people going back to the very first contact with Americans under Commodore Perry who introduced black-faced minstrel show,on his visit in 1852,of course very few if any blacks could counter those negative images of blacks untill quite recently..as a matter of facts during the occupation the White service men used to spread a rumor that Blacks had tails,the reason to discourage competition in getting females. But this was done world wide,and yes all that crap melts away when the average Japanese or other folks get to know the average Black.Btw the situation about competition about sex guess who won that hands down.. yess the Black dudes..why?? another very very vicious rumor that Black dudes did not do a damned thing to despell is the size of their.. DICKS!!shame on them!!..now an average brother can't even have some.. quite alone time on any-given nite at a club or bar..
making boyz who happends to be mostly Africans..especially Nigerians..naaw the little bull-sh!it we put up with sometimes is just an annoyance,not like anything we face back home if home is the US..OF..A , hop on a plane and have a look-see
quote:Huh?? how the hell did you pull that out from what I wrote?...the Japanese are not especially racist towards Blacks..but hay if you go out looking for anti black racism I guess you will find it eventually after-all there are Black people who don't like black people, such as your self if you are indeed Black..I can't swear for every last living Japanese,but from my experience these many years the experience has been mostly positive..I do not lack friends or opportunities, and this will piss you off..I discussed African/caribbean/and African American history all the time...sometimes I get request to talk at various community centers..and this is not just Kids or young folks but grandmas and grandpas...and they take notes and asked questions, when for example I showed pics and ancient descriptions of Ancient Kemet all I get is heads nodding in approval and recognition..and these community centers are high tech equipted with computers and hd screens and you know how much I like to post pics and videos and this has little to do with folks who visit my spot and meet other Blacks from all over and have disussions on various topics sometimes.. I let them view comments on E/S..Black folks here are being ambassadors for themselves..for I am not alone nor special..btw couple o girls just came back form Jamaica may post their pics of their trip on xaymaca myspace,and one form Trinidad got nuttin but love for de Island folks...so yeah we define who we are. Lion if you come,come with Ideas and get a feel for de place mon, but you probably want to start in Tokyo,or Osaka that's where de money deh,mi city too small fi Di I un-less u dehya long time wid good connections...
In other words, Japanese are racist towards Blacks. Thank you for confirming that.
quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Huh?? how the hell did you pull that out from what I wrote?...the Japanese are not especially racist towards Blacks..but hay if you go out looking for anti black racism I guess you will find it eventually after-all there are Black people who don't like black people, such as your self if you are indeed Black..I can't swear for every last living Japanese,but from my experience these many years the experience has been mostly positive..I do not lack friends or opportunities, and this will piss you off..I discussed African/caribbean/and African American history all the time...sometimes I get request to talk at various community centers..and this is not just Kids or young folks but grandmas and grandpas...and they take notes and asked questions, when for example I showed pics and ancient descriptions of Ancient Kemet all I get is head nodding in approval and recognition..and these community centers are high tech equipted with computers and hd screens and you know how much I like to post pics and videos and this has little to do with folks who visit my spot and meet other Blacks from all over and have disussions on various topics sometimes.. I let them view comments on E/S..Black folks here are being ambassadors for themselves..for I am not alone nor special..btw couple o girls just came back form Jamaica may post their pics of their trip on xaymaca myspace,and one form Trinidad got nuttin but love for de Island folks...so yeah we define who we are. Lion if you come,come with Ideas and get a feel for de place mon, but you probably want to start in Tokyo,or Osaka that's where de money deh,mi city too small fi Di I un-less u dehya long time wid good connections...
quote:I lived in America as well. The nation is racist. Please stop lying.
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Hmmm... That's odd. Our experiences parallel. I live in [white] America and I can say the same things you are saying about Japan. Interesting...
quote:[/QB]
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Huh?? how the hell did you pull that out from what I wrote?...the Japanese are not especially racist towards Blacks..but hay if you go out looking for anti black racism I guess you will find it eventually after-all there are Black people who don't like black people, such as your self if you are indeed Black..I can't swear for every last living Japanese,but from my experience these many years the experience has been mostly positive..I do not lack friends or opportunities, and this will piss you off..I discussed African/caribbean/and African American history all the time...sometimes I get request to talk at various community centers..and this is not just Kids or young folks but grandmas and grandpas...and they take notes and asked questions, when for example I showed pics and ancient descriptions of Ancient Kemet all I get is head nodding in approval and recognition..and these community centers are high tech equipted with computers and hd screens and you know how much I like to post pics and videos and this has little to do with folks who visit my spot and meet other Blacks from all over and have disussions on various topics sometimes.. I let them view comments on E/S..Black folks here are being ambassadors for themselves..for I am not alone nor special..btw couple o girls just came back form Jamaica may post their pics of their trip on xaymaca myspace,and one form Trinidad got nuttin but love for de Island folks...so yeah we define who we are. Lion if you come,come with Ideas and get a feel for de place mon, but you probably want to start in Tokyo,or Osaka that's where de money deh,mi city too small fi Di I un-less u dehya long time wid good connections...
quote:I wonder if Japanese attack Arab and Asian international students as well. That is, akin to those well-off white kids who attack the innocent. These aren't even needy individuals, considering possession isn't usually stolen.
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Yeah but where is the Japanese especally racist towards Blacks?..name one anti Black riot or lynching..as a matter of fact it is whites folks who complain the most about being a minority for the first time..we take things in stride for the most part..again Japan is not an Island paradise full of racial harmony..but the Blackman is not the odd man out not this time.
quote:
Originally posted by Bob_01:
quote:I wonder if Japanese attack Arab and Asian international students as well. That is, akin to those well-off white kids who attack the innocent. These aren't even needy individuals, considering possession isn't usually stolen.
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Yeah but where is the Japanese especally racist towards Blacks?..name one anti Black riot or lynching..as a matter of fact it is whites folks who complain the most about being a minority for the first time..we take things in stride for the most part..again Japan is not an Island paradise full of racial harmony..but the Blackman is not the odd man out not this time.
Detroit and Harlem feels a lot more safe than those white-dominated centers. This isn't coming from me, but I've seen people from other regions suggest the exact same thing. Go to various political and military forums and ask color expatriates.
quote:^ jesus christ bitch, did you have to post?
Originally posted by Bettyboo:
I heard that the "Pact with the devil" story is true and this came from Haitians so I think Alcoholic is telling the truth
quote:^who are you? I don't remember you on these boards and how do you know me.
Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
quote:^ jesus christ bitch, did you have to post?
Originally posted by Bettyboo:
I heard that the "Pact with the devil" story is true and this came from Haitians so I think Alcoholic is telling the truth
quote:
Originally posted by Bettyboo:
I heard that the "Pact with the devil" story is true and this came from Haitians so I think Alcoholic is telling the truth. I don't think Haiti suffers because of their so-called deal with the devil or voodoo. I will not say I understand how alcoholic feels but I think we need to take into consideration why black people suffer so much. Other nations has been enslaved, under imperialism, colonized, and sanctioned but they still find a way to live at least half decently and move forward with humanity. When hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans I blamed black people. I said at least it will get all these dirty poor uneducated black people to move to somewhere better to start anew. New Orleans was infested with homos, intravenous drug users, crack heads, prostitutes, corrupt officials, gangs, and uneducated people. Many died because they just couldn't swim. Knowing how to swim is a necessity to every mankind because it can play a role in life or death but those people couldn't swim. I changed my mind since then and it is not people inflicting natural disasters upon themselves. Let's not forget that other nations suffer as well with tsunamis, hurricanes, earthquakes, mudslides but no one never say they caused it onto themselves because they are evil, or they worship the devil, or they are backwards. My heart is to Haiti and if they can I suggest them to take the offer from the President of Senegal and pack up and move and start anew.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100116/ap_on_re_af/af_senegal_haiti
quote:Bwaay you stay being a moron don'tcha?? how many different environments are there in Africa? did you know that it snows in some places,and it is hot as 10 degrees above the hottest spot in hell!!in other places and yes if you are indeed Black then you are the least evolved and stunted amongst us. Alcoholic are you really that retarded? or are you just trying to get a rise out of us by posting such uninformed nonsense...if it's the former then take your meds and go to sleep and try not to drool..if it's the later then cut it out and get serious..
There is a simple reason why Blacks cannot get ahead like other races who have faced a similar history. The simple reason is so simple it is ALWAYS overlooked or avoided. The simple reason is that the Black race is the least evolved of the races. The ancestors of the Black race stayed in the place of human origin while the ancestors of the other races made the great adventure OOA and were forced to adapt and evolve in the new environments. The evolution of the Black race was stunted
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quote:So wouldn't this then implicate that the Neanderthals who lived in Asia and Europe amongst cold harsh climates for millenia upon millenia should've been extremely advanced in comparison to the AMH's that entered Europe coming from the tropics?
The ancestors of the Black race stayed in the place of human origin while the ancestors of the other races made the great adventure OOA and were forced to adapt and evolve in the new environments. The evolution of the Black race was stunted [/b] [/QB]
quote:
For their part, Rushton and the like accept that people living in colder climates have bigger brains, while those from the tropics have smaller ones, but for reasons that go beyond the issue of body size. They argue that brain grew to cope with the harsher, more challenging conditions involved in living in the higher latitudes. "The further north the populations migrated out of Africa, the more they encountered their cognitively demanding problems of gathering and storing food, gaining shelter, making clothes, and raising children successfully during prolonged winters" states Rushton. As the original African population evolved into Caucasoids and Mongoloids, they did so in the direction of larger brains and lower levels of sex hormones, with concomitant reduction in aggression and sexual potency and increases in forward planning and family stability" In other words, our brains got bigger because we needed more intellect to deal with life in Europe, Asia, Australia, and the Americas later on.
But there is a crucal flaw in this reasoning . It assumes that intellect and brain size are intimately related, and that is by no means clear. Just consider the case of two of the cold adapted populations we encountered in the previous chapter--the Ona, the original settlers of Tierra del Fuego; and the Tasmanians. They are useful benchmarks for our comparisons of brain size and achievement because Fuegian skulls and brain capacities are among the largest of all Homo sapiens while the average Tasmanian brain size was higher than that of their mainland Australian cousins, as we might expect.
Consider Tierra del Fuego first. Its inhabitants. the Ona, lived in land that lies just outside the antarctic circle, at the very southern tip of South America. Surrounded by the Atlantic. Pacific, and Antarctic oceans, the archipelago is swept by rain and blizzards: ripe, challenging territory growing those large skulls so admired by Rushton and the rest. And this cranial growth is indeed what took place, with most scientists maintaining that it was related to an increase in body size. For Rushton et al./ this enlargement must also reflect increased intelligence, however.
But if the latter scenario is correct, how can we reconcile the advanced cerebral status of the Ona with their impoverished existences. Readers will recall Darwin's description of their low, wretched lives, unadorned by fire or decent clothing." Viewing such men, one can hardly make onself believe that they are fellow creatures and inhabitants of the same world," he wrote. Yet these folk, according to our recent racial demographers, should represent the very acme of human achievement, endowed with larger brains and living--as they undoubtedly did--in one of the most challenging of cold climates.
Then there were the Tasmanians. Archaeological records show that 20,000 years ago they were making pierced tools from wallaby bones, and necklaces and engravings. Then their Tasmanian homeland became isolated bu sea level rises 10,000 years ago. Slowly their tool kit became simpler and simpler, while their smaller brained mainland cousin, living in an apparently "debasing" warmer climate (according to Rushton that is), produced-- 6,000 years ago--a sudden leap in implement techonology that was one the great flowering of stone age cuture.
In short, having larger crania and bigger brains within them, did little for the Fuegians' or Tasmanians' quality of life. In fact, they were neither more or less intelligent than the rest of humanity, as Darwin discovered when he met Fuegians who had been "civilized"--i.e., acclimated -- by spending a year in England. By this time, they spoke good English, dressed in Western clothes, and were considered to be sophisticated enough to meet the Royal family.
quote:We can play that game as well, bitch. Why don't you go lose some weight and undertake a life lift, bitch?
Originally posted by Bettyboo:
I heard that the "Pact with the devil" story is true and this came from Haitians so I think Alcoholic is telling the truth. I don't think Haiti suffers because of their so-called deal with the devil or voodoo. I will not say I understand how alcoholic feels but I think we need to take into consideration why black people suffer so much. Other nations has been enslaved, under imperialism, colonized, and sanctioned but they still find a way to live at least half decently and move forward with humanity. When hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans I blamed black people. I said at least it will get all these dirty poor uneducated black people to move to somewhere better to start anew. New Orleans was infested with homos, intravenous drug users, crack heads, prostitutes, corrupt officials, gangs, and uneducated people. Many died because they just couldn't swim. Knowing how to swim is a necessity to every mankind because it can play a role in life or death but those people couldn't swim. I changed my mind since then and it is not people inflicting natural disasters upon themselves. Let's not forget that other nations suffer as well with tsunamis, hurricanes, earthquakes, mudslides but no one never say they caused it onto themselves because they are evil, or they worship the devil, or they are backwards. My heart is to Haiti and if they can I suggest them to take the offer from the President of Senegal and pack up and move and start anew.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100116/ap_on_re_af/af_senegal_haiti
quote:You've probably forgotten about India. The nation may be booming economic, but it has an extremely sorry underclass. This segment represents a large segment under an international context.
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
There is a simple reason why Blacks cannot get ahead like other races who have faced a similar history. The simple reason is so simple it is ALWAYS overlooked or avoided. The simple reason is that the Black race is the least evolved of the races. The ancestors of the Black race stayed in the place of human origin while the ancestors of the other races made the great adventure OOA and were forced to adapt and evolve in the new environments. The evolution of the Black race was stunted.
quote:
Originally posted by Bettyboo:
I heard that the "Pact with the devil" story is true and this came from Haitians so I think Alcoholic is telling the truth. I don't think Haiti suffers because of their so-called deal with the devil or voodoo. I will not say I understand how alcoholic feels but I think we need to take into consideration why black people suffer so much. Other nations has been enslaved, under imperialism, colonized, and sanctioned but they still find a way to live at least half decently and move forward with humanity. When hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans I blamed black people. I said at least it will get all these dirty poor uneducated black people to move to somewhere better to start anew. New Orleans was infested with homos, intravenous drug users, crack heads, prostitutes, corrupt officials, gangs, and uneducated people. Many died because they just couldn't swim. Knowing how to swim is a necessity to every mankind because it can play a role in life or death but those people couldn't swim. I changed my mind since then and it is not people inflicting natural disasters upon themselves. Let's not forget that other nations suffer as well with tsunamis, hurricanes, earthquakes, mudslides but no one never say they caused it onto themselves because they are evil, or they worship the devil, or they are backwards. My heart is to Haiti and if they can I suggest them to take the offer from the President of Senegal and pack up and move and start anew.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100116/ap_on_re_af/af_senegal_haiti
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Historically, the U.S. government identified sources of materials in Third World countries, and then encouraged U.S. corporations to invest in and facilitate their production. Dating back to the mid-1960s, the U.S. government literally installed the dictatorship of Mobutu Sese Seko, which gave U.S. corporations access to the Congo’s minerals for more than 30 years. However, over the years Mobutu began to limit access by Western corporations, and to control the distribution of resources. In 1998, U.S. military-trained leaders of Rwanda and Uganda invaded the mineral-rich areas of the Congo. The invaders installed illegal colonial-style governments which continue to receive millions of dollars in arms and military training from the United States. Our government and a $5 million Citibank loan maintains the rebel presence in the Congo. Their control of mineral rich areas allows western corporations, such as American Mineral Fields, to illegally mine. Rwandan and Ugandan control over this area is beneficial for both governments and for the corporations that continue to exploit the Congo’s natural wealth.
American Mineral Fields (AMF) landed exclusive exploration rights to an estimated 1.4 million tons of copper and 270,000 tons of cobalt. San Francisco based engineering firm Bechtel Inc. established strong ties in the rebel zones as well. Bechtel drew up an inventory of the Congo’s mineral resources free of charge, and also paid for NASA satellite studies of the country for infared maps of its minerals. Bechtel estimates that the DRC’s mineral ores alone are worth $157 billion dollars. Through coltan production, the Rwandans and their allies are bringing in $20 million revenue a month. Rwanda’s diamond exports went from 166 carats in 1998 to 30,500 in 2000. Uganda’s diamond exports jumped from approximately 1,500 carats to about 11,300. The final destination for many of these minerals is the U.S. Link
quote:Please don't encourage her to reproduce..
You need to posting this nonsense in a European forum and produce a child at least.
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quote:You've probably forgotten about India. The nation may be booming economic, but it has an extremely sorry underclass. This segment represents a large segment under an international context.
Originally posted by Bob_01:
quote:[/QB][/QUOTE]
Historically, the U.S. government identified sources of materials in Third World countries, and then encouraged U.S. corporations to invest in and facilitate their production. Dating back to the mid-1960s, the U.S. government literally installed the dictatorship of Mobutu Sese Seko, which gave U.S. corporations access to the Congo’s minerals for more than 30 years. However, over the years Mobutu began to limit access by Western corporations, and to control the distribution of resources. In 1998, U.S. military-trained leaders of Rwanda and Uganda invaded the mineral-rich areas of the Congo. The invaders installed illegal colonial-style governments which continue to receive millions of dollars in arms and military training from the United States. Our government and a $5 million Citibank loan maintains the rebel presence in the Congo. Their control of mineral rich areas allows western corporations, such as American Mineral Fields, to illegally mine. Rwandan and Ugandan control over this area is beneficial for both governments and for the corporations that continue to exploit the Congo’s natural wealth.
American Mineral Fields (AMF) landed exclusive exploration rights to an estimated 1.4 million tons of copper and 270,000 tons of cobalt. San Francisco based engineering firm Bechtel Inc. established strong ties in the rebel zones as well. Bechtel drew up an inventory of the Congo’s mineral resources free of charge, and also paid for NASA satellite studies of the country for infared maps of its minerals. Bechtel estimates that the DRC’s mineral ores alone are worth $157 billion dollars. Through coltan production, the Rwandans and their allies are bringing in $20 million revenue a month. Rwanda’s diamond exports went from 166 carats in 1998 to 30,500 in 2000. Uganda’s diamond exports jumped from approximately 1,500 carats to about 11,300. The final destination for many of these minerals is the U.S. Link
quote:Name one South Asian nation that is industrialized. Name a Muslim nation that is industrialized. Turkey, by the way, is as third world as Mexico or South Africa. Barbados which is almost exclusively Black would be considered a developed nation according to HDI. Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Panama, Trinidad and Tobago are more developed than North African nations that you love to dick ride when it comes to ancient history.
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
[QB] Sir,
There developing nations, industrialized nations and third world nations. Please name ONE African Black nation that is an industrialized nation. Then name all the African Black nations that are developing and finally name the ones that are part of the third world.
quote:There must be something else to it. I don't believe in the OOA theory, but if you do then you need to explain the way of life and lack of advancement in the south pacific cultures and the backwardness in the indigenous American cultures. I don't think it is the lack of 'evolution' amongst black people. I think it is our inability to let go of primitive thought and our inability to reason with facts. It seems like blacks make decision based on their feelings while ignoring the obvious. Let's not forget the extreme stubborness amongst black that hinders them to move forward. I'm a firm believer in the bible and God hates stubborness and it causes people to move backwards.
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
There is a simple reason why Blacks cannot get ahead like other races who have faced a similar history. The simple reason is so simple it is ALWAYS overlooked or avoided. The simple reason is that the Black race is the least evolved of the races. The ancestors of the Black race stayed in the place of human origin while the ancestors of the other races made the great adventure OOA and were forced to adapt and evolve in the new environments. The evolution of the Black race was stunted.
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Originally posted by Bob_01:
Name one South Asian nation that is industrialized. Name a Muslim nation that is industrialized. Turkey, by the way, is as third world as Mexico or South Africa. Barbados which is almost exclusively Black would be considered a developed nation according to HDI. Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Panama, Trinidad and Tobago are more developed than North African nations that you love to dick ride when it comes to ancient history.
To be honest, I don't see how Greece is a great industrial power and rather depended heavily on EU subsidies. If African nations saw that sort of input, we would've seen similar growth. I am not going to expect that to occur, by the way. The growth of nations of Equatorial Guinea and Gabon (well over Egypt fyi) doesn't mean that my posts aren't valid.
You can continue to grasp on straws and blindly believe that this is self-inflicted. However history and science (on the nature of human potential) is on my side. European imperialism led to rapid underdevelopment of African and other third world nations. It's why these European corporations still continue to maintain tyrannical presence in these lands.
quote:You don't need to accept the OOA theory to at least acknowledge recent history: When the European came into Africa (sub-sahara) he found humans still living in the stone ages. That is something you cannot ignore.
Originally posted by Bettyboo:
There must be something else to it. I don't believe in the OOA theory,
quote:The habitats most conducive for exerting significant levels of environmental pressure on the original anatomical structure to fascilate a rapid evolutionary process, are the higher latitudes.
you need to explain the way of life and lack of advancement in the south pacific cultures and the backwardness in the indigenous American cultures.
quote:Then explain why the Negro mind has the most difficulty letting go the primitive instinct? In South Africa, you have Negroes who believe raping a baby will cure them of AIDS. We are in 2010 and this primitive mentality persists. This is evidence that the races are not biologically equal.
I don't think it is the lack of 'evolution' amongst black people. I think it is our inability to let go of primitive thought and our inability to reason with facts.
quote:Yes because Blacks are still intuned with the primitive instinct.
It seems like blacks make decision based on their feelings while ignoring the obvious.
quote:Check this out, two dumbos, one who purports to believe in a "scientific" explanation of phenomena while the other a hopeless religious nut case, both piling one asinine argument on top of another. Priceless! lol
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
quote:You don't need to accept the OOA theory
Originally posted by Bettyboo:
There must be something else to it. I don't believe in the OOA theory,
quote:Don't take the bait Bob.
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Bob, please refer to the pix below. The red portion delineates the Least Developed Countries (LDC):
quote:Just wrong again, as usual!
There is a simple reason why Blacks cannot get ahead like other races who have faced a similar history. The simple reason is so simple it is ALWAYS overlooked or avoided. The simple reason is that the Black race is the least evolved of the races. The ancestors of the Black race stayed in the place of human origin while the ancestors of the other races made the great adventure OOA and were forced to adapt and evolve in the new environments. The evolution of the Black race was stunted.
quote:Wrong again: Just one example. For approxiamtely 2000 years African people have been mining iron ore,smelting the metal and working it into artifacts: jewelry in the form of rings and bangles, tolls like hammers and chisels, weapons for hunting and war, and agricultural implements like hoes indispnsable for the production of African crops...The fact that quenching and temepring were not employed routinely in Africa is good evidence that, in the details of its practice, African ironworking developed with little or no tehnological input from outside the continent"(Duncan Miller, "Ironworking Technology" in The Encyclopedia of Precolonial Africa,Vogel and Vogel eds., 1997).
You don't need to accept the OOA theory to at least acknowledge recent history: When the European came into Africa (sub-sahara) he found humans still living in the stone ages. That is something you cannot ignore.
quote:And the Ainu of Japan, and the Inuit of the Artic, and the North American indigenes who spent thousands of years crossing the Siberian Landbridge then settled in the cold North American regions?
The habitats most conducive for exerting significant levels of environmental pressure on the original anatomical structure to fascilate a rapid evolutionary process, are the higher latitudes.
quote:Two preverts .. one a he-girl and the other a she-man.
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
quote:You don't need to accept the OOA theory to at least acknowledge recent history: When the European came into Africa (sub-sahara) he found humans still living in the stone ages. That is something you cannot ignore.
Originally posted by Bettyboo:
There must be something else to it. I don't believe in the OOA theory,
quote:Yes because Blacks are still intuned with the primitive instinct.
........It seems like blacks make decision based on their feelings while ignoring the obvious.
quote:Like I said it all boils down to a nation that is willing to Help its own and advance itself. People always like to point at Africa as being 3rd world when it all boils down to and stems from Constant Invasions and disunity by cooperating with Arabs and Europeans. Blacks in the dispora of whom I can speak of see America and the west as some Paradise/Kingdom of Heaven. They are constantly fed B.S through the Media, to "Don't Worry, Slave at your Job, Buy your 3,000 dollar T.V and you will be fine." They trust in a corrupt system that has a value-less currency and don't even realize the impeading abolute slavery that will befall their children in the coming future.
Originally posted by lamin:
quote:Just wrong again, as usual!
There is a simple reason why Blacks cannot get ahead like other races who have faced a similar history. The simple reason is so simple it is ALWAYS overlooked or avoided. The simple reason is that the Black race is the least evolved of the races. The ancestors of the Black race stayed in the place of human origin while the ancestors of the other races made the great adventure OOA and were forced to adapt and evolve in the new environments. The evolution of the Black race was stunted.
The people how have travelled the furthest out of Africa would be the South American Native Americans(Amerindians as the anthropologists erroneously label them). That would be the indigenes from Peru, Chile, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, and Southern Brazil. But they have for the most part wiped out raped out by the invading whites from Europe. The remnants live in the hills, slums or favelas picking rubbish from the rubbish dumps. Those who get jobs are usually house girls or messenger boys for the settlers. The only trade item they produce is coca which is sold to dissolute whites in North America and Europe. So why aren't they industrialised? After all those in Peru produced the impressive Inca culture--as you might want to fasten onto to show that they were "civilised".
And what about the indigenous people from Indonesia, Australia, Fiji, New Guinea, etc.? After all, these people travelled further out of Africa than the very same Europeans who invaded their lands, slaughtered them, raped them and fed them alcohol.
The truth is that the whites were just lucky in recent history reinforced by the fact that they have established something like a "white brotherhood of nations", that allows them to ensure that nations that don't produce anything industrial are ranked with the other white nations. What does New Zealand or Iceland produce--yet they are ranked as being developed.
The problem with the African phenotyped people is that their leaders have fully bought into false ideology that whites are naturally superior not only morally but intellectually. They also always want to trust whites and to cooperate with them. Cases in point: Toussaint and his trust of Napoleon, Mandela and his trust in whites. Unlike, say, someone like Castro or Kim of North Korea they don't know how to say No! to white officialdom whether the IMF or World Bank. Haiti could have refused to pay the vile French a single sou for their crimes, or to bow to Washingon about any loan or concessions about anything. Amazing that degenerates like Clinton could be taken seriously on development plans for Haiti.
At the moment one should be able to detect how the white media are openly and slying hyping up this Haiti earthquake--just to gain points about their supposed "goodness" and "charitableness". First, they stab you almost to death then they run in one of their doctors to patch you, and the cycle repeats itself over and over. The goal is to maintain full power over you. They are masters at dissembling, lying and hypocricy. One did not see the same sanctimoniousness when Katrina hit. And by the way, the Haitian quake toll is no worse than the Tsunami that hit Thailand a few years ago. Yet the sanctimoniousness was not so palpable.
quote:
Originally posted by lamin:
quote:Wrong again: Just one example. For approxiamtely 2000 years African people have been mining iron ore,smelting the metal and working it into artifacts: jewelry in the form of rings and bangles, tolls like hammers and chisels, weapons for hunting and war, and agricultural implements like hoes indispnsable for the production of African crops...The fact that quenching and temepring were not employed routinely in Africa is good evidence that, in the details of its practice, African ironworking developed with little or no tehnological input from outside the continent"(Duncan Miller, "Ironworking Technology" in The Encyclopedia of Precolonial Africa,Vogel and Vogel eds., 1997).
You don't need to accept the OOA theory to at least acknowledge recent history: When the European came into Africa (sub-sahara) he found humans still living in the stone ages. That is something you cannot ignore.
quote:And the Ainu of Japan, and the Inuit of the Artic, and the North American indigenes who spent thousands of years crossing the Siberian Landbridge then settled in the cold North American regions?
The habitats most conducive for exerting significant levels of environmental pressure on the original anatomical structure to fascilate a rapid evolutionary process, are the higher latitudes.
Just a lot of bogus, illogical theories on your part. I say, quit reading and swallowing the nonsense put out by Lynn and crackpot pseudoscientist Rushton.
quote:we all know you have a less evolved mind, Claiming New Guinea is Africa...Dumb ****...LMAO...
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
quote:Yes because Blacks are still intuned with the primitive instinct.
It seems like blacks make decision based on their feelings while ignoring the obvious.
quote:That doesn't merely sound harsh, it sounds very dumb. People spilled their blood to liberate themselves in the lead up to independence movements, and you are telling them that they should return back to what they were trying to liberate themselves from. Heck, why stop at occupying African territory. Why not continue to occupy Afghanistan and Iraq, and go onto Iran, Yemen and then perhaps the remaining countries of the Gulf? Why not go back to Nazi Germany, and repeat all over of that while at it?
Originally posted by Exiiled:
African nations need to be occupied again by western powers. And as harsh as that may sound
quote:Why do you think those "asshats and assclowns" are incompentent in the first place? It is because they are still stooges of former colonial invaders. They serve as "local" faces of foreign projection, although they are not just mere puppets, as their immediate interest is also served, that does not coincide with the commoner. And you are saying it is better to have people in direct control, who are the ones effectively in control behind the scenes, as we speak? It is called neo-colonialism. In what way is neo-colonialism less justifiable than outright old-school colonialism of occupation?
it is a much better option to the asshats and assclowns that are ruling African countries now.
quote:Should have first compiled the list of these nations, and extensively provide details of "success, hopefulness, and failure", before making the guessing game above, don't you think?
So someone should compile a list of ‘black nations’ and list them as successful, hopeful, or failures. Odds are 75-85% are utter failures, the Arab would follow the Africans with a 65-75% failure rate, followed by Asians and South Americans, respectively
quote:Not sure what you mean by Toussaint's "trust of Napoleon", and so, allow you to elaborate on that, but Toussaint struck me as a cunning fellow, who opportunistically played different Europeans against one another at different situations and points in time; elsewhere I posted:
Originally posted by lamin:
Cases in point: Toussaint and his trust of Napoleon...
quote:Your "map" forgot to you tell you that while many economies around the globe were taking a nose dive, the African underdog economies which have been "traditionally" snubbed at, despite neocolonialism, were actually improving on the other hand last year. Your "map" also doesn't tell you about poverty rampant in the various "more developed" regions, and that the foreign exchange earnings don't reflect prosperity for all, but the accumulation of wealth by the thin layer of business and ruling elites. And poverty in some of those very areas fare no better than those in Africa's "least developed countries". For instance, take China:
Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Bob, please refer to the pix below. The red portion delineates the Least Developed Countries (LDC):
I don't think I have to elaborate on the map. It is quite telling.
quote:Actually the percentages are not that far off from the info provided on the Wikipedia map posted here. Iraq will be a much better place sooner rather than later. The occupation is dwindling but it will be there long enough to ensure that the country is rebuilt, and better than before. And it will also ensure that a responsible government rules the nation. In summation this is a better alternative to the baathist regimes of the past. And I am sure you know the line “the ends justify the means”, in this case yes. Sure it’s horrific to see people die but ultimately it is a small price to pay in that part of the world.
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:That doesn't merely sound harsh, it sounds very dumb. People spilled their blood to liberate themselves in the lead up to independence movements, and you are telling them that they should return back to what they were trying to liberate themselves from. Heck, why stop at occupying African territory. Why not continue to occupy Afghanistan and Iraq, and go onto Iran, Yemen and then perhaps the remaining countries of the Gulf? Why not go back to Nazi Germany, and repeat all over of that while at it?
Originally posted by Exiiled:
African nations need to be occupied again by western powers. And as harsh as that may sound
quote:Why do you think those "asshats and assclowns" are incompentent in the first place? It is because they are still stooges of former colonial invaders. They serve as "local" faces of foreign projection, although they are not just mere puppets, as their immediate interest is also served, that does not coincide with the commoner. And you are saying it is better to have people in direct control, who are the ones effectively in control behind the scenes, as we speak? It is called neo-colonialism. In what way is neo-colonialism less justifiable than outright old-school colonialism of occupation?
it is a much better option to the asshats and assclowns that are ruling African countries now.
quote:Should have first compiled the list of these nations, and extensively provide details of "success, hopefulness, and failure", before making the guessing game above, don't you think?
So someone should compile a list of ‘black nations’ and list them as successful, hopeful, or failures. Odds are 75-85% are utter failures, the Arab would follow the Africans with a 65-75% failure rate, followed by Asians and South Americans, respectively
quote:Your percentages mean nothing, as you provide no specifics of the *individual* countries and how the situation of the common folk is any different in any other part of the world, other than provide uninformed lumping together of the nations into one basket. I've already commented on wiki's map. Look above, and take a cue.
Originally posted by Exiiled:
Actually the percentages are not that far off from the info provided on the Wikipedia map posted here.
quote:Not according to your logic. Using your logic above, they'd be best serve under colonialism. What is going on in Iraq is no different from what the various African countries had been going through in the pre-"independence" days.
Iraq will be a much better place sooner rather than later.
quote:Indeed. The country doesn't even have a proper sewer system under the occupation, and it was better under Saddam. Unemployment is more rampant than ever. Don't mistake oil revenues with what the ordinary Iraqis bring in. Next, you'll be telling us Afghanistan will be a paradise under U.S. occupation sooner than later. LOL.
The occupation is dwindling but it will be there long enough to ensure that the country is rebuilt, and better than before.
quote:Listen here. The U.S. is not ridding Yemen off of its government, which quite tows the line with the U.S. and hence, the latter sees no reason to have beef. In fact, the goal is to strengthen that government. So, how that means that Yemen will be better of to you, with U.S. invasion - translating into the mass murder of many, is anyone's guess.
Yemen would be much better off if the US invades.
quote:Better question: have you? Your post suggests that you haven't.
Have you been to Africa, Yemen, etc?
quote:Where is "there"? "There" has no meaning without specifics.
The situations there
quote:They should be lambasted, regardless of how you feel about it... as anything devoid of logic or material should be. Who says your personal feelings mattered here? Not me.
Lambast my opinion for all I care
quote:The countries are in this situation, precisely because of colonialism and its neocolonialist offshoot. You are essentially saying you are ignorant of the real world, and that the solution Africa's problem is going back to what is the root of that problem, even as we speak: colonialism! Your statement is not plausible; it is in fact moronic at best. How old are you?
but what I stated here is actually plausible
quote:Who says the US will rid Yemen of its government? You are full of yourself for someone so ignorant of what is actually transpiring in Yemen.
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:Your percentages mean nothing, as you provide no specifics of the *individual* countries and how the situation of the common folk is any different in any other part of the world, other than provide uninformed lumping together of the nations into one basket. I've already commented on wiki's map. Look above, and take a cue.
Originally posted by Exiiled:
Actually the percentages are not that far off from the info provided on the Wikipedia map posted here.
quote:Not according to your logic. Using your logic above, they'd be best serve under colonialism. What is going on in Iraq is no different from what the various African countries had been going through in the pre-"independence" days.
Iraq will be a much better place sooner rather than later.
quote:Indeed. The country doesn't even have a proper sewer system under the occupation, and it was better under Saddam. Unemployment is more rampant than ever. Don't mistake oil revenues with what the ordinary Iraqis bring in. Next, you'll be telling us Afghanistan will be a paradise under U.S. occupation sooner than later. LOL.
The occupation is dwindling but it will be there long enough to ensure that the country is rebuilt, and better than before.
quote:Listen here. The U.S. is not ridding Yemen off of its government, which quite tows the line with the U.S. and hence, the latter sees no reason to have beef. In fact, the goal is to strengthen that government. So, how that means that Yemen will be better of to you, with U.S. invasion - translating into the mass murder of many, is anyone's guess.
Yemen would be much better off if the US invades.
quote:Better question: have you? Your post suggests that you haven't.
Have you been to Africa, Yemen, etc?
quote:Where is "there"? "There" has no meaning without specifics.
The situations there
quote:They should be lambasted, regardless of how you feel about it... as anything devoid of logic or material should be. Who says your personal feelings mattered here? Not me.
Lambast my opinion for all I care
quote:The countries are in this situation, precisely because of colonialism and its neocolonialist offshoot. You are essentially saying you are ignorant of the real world, and that Africa's problems is going back to what is the root of that problem, even as we speak: colonialism! Your statement is not plausible; it is in fact moronic at best. How old are you?
but what I stated here is actually plausible
quote:You are full of horse manure. If they aren't ridding the country off the government that has been there for decades, when how are they supposed to be better of? Elaborate.
Originally posted by Exiiled:
Who says the US will rid Yemen of its government? You are full of yourself for someone so ignorant of what is actually transpiring in Yemen.
quote:And why do you suppose there is this threat of session in the first place, if governance wasn't an issue? Are you that much of an idiot, to think that the U.S. is going in to help the ordinary Yemeni?
Yemen will go into chaos, and the US will have no choice but to intervene
quote:You mean as in what's happening in Iraq and Afghanistan, right?
which will lead to occupation, which in turn will lead to 2 nations again (N & S), which will ultimately result in actual civilized nations.
quote:Pull you head out of your ass, before you interrupt grown folks' conversation.
Go educate yourself on matters you know nothing about.
quote:I really do not have time to school an ignoramus that is full of himself/herself right now, so here’s some info that you should know about. The current Yemeni government has only been in been in power for less than 20 years. Before that there were 2 nations a North Yemen and A South Yemen. The government of Yemen is about to become destabilized by the secessionist southern forces who actually are massing a private army. This inevitable war will make Yemen a ‘safe haven’ for ‘terrorists’ and the USA will not intervene out of love but because of the destabilizing effect that Yemen might have on the rest of Gulf (GCC).
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:You are full of horse manure. If they aren't ridding the country off the government that has been there for decades, when how are they supposed to be better of? Elaborate.
Originally posted by Exiiled:
Who says the US will rid Yemen of its government? You are full of yourself for someone so ignorant of what is actually transpiring in Yemen.
quote:And why do you suppose there is this threat of session in the first place, if governance wasn't an issue? Are you that much of an idiot, to think that the U.S. is going in to help the ordinary Yemeni?
Yemen will go into chaos, and the US will have no choice but to intervene
quote:You mean as in what's happening in Iraq and Afghanistan, right?
which will lead to occupation, which in turn will lead to 2 nations again (N & S), which will ultimately result in actual civilized nations.
quote:Pull you head out of your ass, before you interrupt grown folks' conversation.
Go educate yourself on matters you know nothing about.
‘terrorists’ that manage to get the attention of small minded people like yourself.
quote:I have all the time to entertain "schooling" from a dickhead, who tells people that the solution to their problem is depending on the root of that problem. LOL.
Originally posted by Exiiled:
I really do not have time to school an ignoramus that is full of himself/herself right now
quote:The current head of state was the administrative head of state of Yemen since 1978. And became, leader of "unified" Yemen in 1989. Since, then the government had been having issues with the Shiit groups in the northern part of the country, and the secessionist groups in the southern. There is a reason why this corrupt government hasn't been able to satisfy these bases; go ahead and "school" us on why, asshead?
. The current Yemeni government has only been in been in power for less than 20 years.
quote:fuckhead towelhead, entertain me. In what way has the "terrorist" got my attention. Is it not the "pretext" the U.S. government and Saleh's government are supposedly beefing up military action in the first place; looks like these are the "small minded people" you are referring to, the ones whose asses you lick clean, don't you agree?
Tensions are escalating by the day, the government is being smacked on all sides, the houthis in the north, the socialist in the south and the itsy bitsy
quote:Hey fuckhead diaperhead, your ignorant ass has skipped on the part that the U.S. is not ridding Yemen off of its government, but the goal is to strengthen. How then, do you figure the goal is to give the south independence, as your asswipe moronic mentality above suggests. If that were the case, heck the Yemeni government would not need U.S. assistance here; he could easily give them the independence that they are seeking and be done with it. Have I already told you that your are a total fuckhead? I believe I have.
which will lead to occupation, which in turn will lead to 2 nations again (N & S), which will ultimately result in actual civilized nations.
quote:Wow you were calm and collected an hour ago and now you’re resorting to very foul language, actually ignorance and arrogance with a mix of desperation go hand in hand.
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:I have all the time to entertain "schooling" from a dickhead, who tells people that the solution to their problem is depending on the root of that problem. LOL.
Originally posted by Exiiled:
I really do not have time to school an ignoramus that is full of himself/herself right now
quote:The current head of state was the administrative head of state of Yemen since 1978. And became, leader of "unified" Yemen in 1989. Since, then the government had been having issues with the Shiit groups in the northern part of the country, and the secessionist groups in the southern. There is a reason why this corrupt government hasn't been able to satisfy these bases; go ahead and "school" us on why, asshead?
. The current Yemeni government has only been in been in power for less than 20 years.
quote:fuckhead towelhead, entertain me. In what way has the "terrorist" got my attention. Is it not the "pretext" the U.S. government and Saleh's government are supposedly beefing up military action in the first place; looks like these are the "small minded people" you are referring to, the ones whose asses you lick clean, don't you agree?
Tensions are escalating by the day, the government is being smacked on all sides, the houthis in the north, the socialist in the south and the itsy bitsy
quote:No doubt, like the U.S. will want this strategic location of interest come under control of a socialist secessionist leadership on its watch, instead of consolidating the powers of the present leadership, which is already more desirable from the U.S. standpoint?! This is what I'm referring to, about the inexperience of the exiiled in real world affairs. Of course, the Yemen thing was just a distraction from the clumsy claims about Africans needing to get re-colonized, when many are already under neocolonialism no less, which is the root of the very problems in the first place, that he is caterwauling about...it too backfired however.
Originally posted by Bob_01:
What evidence do you have that US will take a position that counteracts the current government and Saudi Arabia's interests? I haven't seen influential think tanks, of any stripes, within the US suggesting that.
quote:The US will not dissolve the northern government it is a legitimate government for the North and north only. For the southerners that leadership is deemed tyrannically. The US government knows very well of the injustices that are going on in the South. The State Department has released statement after statement warning the government to treat all citizens equally. They even stated that unity can only last as long as such equality existed.
Originally posted by Bob_01:
Exiiled, you're not making any sense. As for being in these nation, yes I have. The problem here is you're assuming that US will dissolve the current government and allow two nations to exist independently as we saw prior to unification. That is, the unification that was fiercely backed by Saudi Arabia.
What evidence do you have that US will take a position that counteracts the current government and Saudi Arabia's interests? I haven't seen influential think tanks, of any stripes, within the US suggesting that.
quote:Fool, a simple mind is a moron who says the U.S. wants "unity", but that their military strategy will be to "separate" the country into two nations. A simple mind is one who thinks that a strategic location will be handed to a socialist separatist group, in a key location of U.S. geopolitical interests in the Arabian peninsula. A simple mind is one who think that the U.S. will do any of the above for a group that both they and the Saleh government blanketly call "al Qaeda" in the Arabian peninsula. You are too simple minded to even realize that you are an ignoramus.
Originally posted by Exiiled:
^^Explorer
You are too simple minded for me.
quote:None of the things I mentioned are promoted in "western press". The only thing they ever say about Yemen, is that the U.S. is stepping up its efforts to root out the "terrorists", affiliated with al Qaeda, esp. after that flight 253 incident, who wish to do harm to U.S. interests. The alert minds will recall that they even closed U.S. embassy there, presumably predicated on "high alert" to "terrorist acts" on U.S. interests in the region. Was all this accidental dissemination in the U.S. and "western" mass media? I think not. It is meant to instill more unease into the public, to soften their reactions to open U.S. conflict in the region.
You only see things from what you read in the western press.
quote:Your "step by step" will get you nowhere, if not walking backwards even though your purported goal is to walk forward, because it belies logic. Your mind is still in exile.
I have to literally spell it out for you, step by step:
quote:Which the U.S. could give a hoot about, and which, the present leadership is determined to see not happen. And...?
A- South will announce seccession, they already have the blessing of the Southern Tribes, So e are talking easily 50,000-100,00 men (maybe more)
quote:That has no bearing on the goal. His goal is to consolidate his power from north to south, in Yemen. And so does the U.S., and the Saudi Arabia.
B- The Government will retailate because Saleh loves war
quote:This is what the U.S. military aid is there to stop from happening. And...? Not, according to your moronic inexperienced logic, to hand power to a socialist separatist group, and have "divided" nations.
C- The government will be greatly weakened, and Yemen will become another playground for terrorists
quote:Well, it may very well end up in a mess, as did Iraq, Afghanistan and Somalia. But this does not change the goal of the U.S. The U.S. actions here, will cause tragic consequences for ordinary Yemeni. That is the likely outcome of this, not prosperity, as you imagine in la la land.
D- The Gulf will start to **** bricks
E-The US will intervene and how that ends up will be messy, they will take on the terrorists and the unruly sheilks (all of whom are Northerners by the way)
quote:Fool, read the above, and educate your inexperienced amateur poor excuse of an idiot-self.
D- They will have to negotiate with the South and what does the South want, secession
Now sing : "Now I Know My ABC"
But these two are enough for now, of course success is no guarantee as evidenced in Afghanistan but Iraq is looking pretty good and a good indicator are the refugees that are returning. The Shia are going back in droves, hopefully the Sunnis will follow suit, especially after the latest agreements in parliament.
quote:More like, your concrete skull is impenetrable to basic education. I already know how its going to likely play it out; it's spelled out above for people who can read -- in other words, not you.
Originally posted by Exiiled:
We are at an impasse and all I can say is we will have to let this play out.
quote:I doubt your "simple words" will be nearly as simple as your mind is. I take it that you haven't traveled much.
My parting words are very simple (and I will look back on this thread when the sh-it hits the fan)
quote:Now, we have a Miss Cleo on our hands. This guy must be a hammer neophyte; there resemblance cannot be dismissed out of hand.
I truly believe Yemen will come out of it two separate nations, nations that will be on the road to being civilized. Everyone criticized Bush when he decided to invade Iraq (including myself) but Iraq (like I mentioned earlier) will come out of it a better country. The status quo of dictators in the Middle East must change. Occupations and rehabilitation seems to be working in the current model (Iraq).
quote:Iraq is looking pretty good in terms of what; infrastructure, employment, wages of ordinary folk, continued violence, dictatorship; come on, give us the concrete specifics on these matters.
I could only wish that the US invades Somalia as well to rehabilitate them too and send them on the road to being civilized.
Actually I have an impressive list of nations that I believe need to be occupied for their own good.
quote:They are returning, because 1)they have a desire to get their country back, and hopeful, to rebuild it. 2)They are being pressured in other locations to leave, and that they have overstayed their welcome. In fact, ironic, that the U.S. is one of the places that took in the least amount of refugees, considering that they started this mess. It has nothing to do with your figment, that Iraq is better now than it was prior to the occupation.
and a good indicator are the refugees that are returning.
quote:Not quite. In order to establish their colonies and protectorates, the British slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people. Check the factual history books and you will learn how Lugard slaughtered at will. One afternoon he just erased 3,000 people from this life. This happened in what his girlfriend/concubine(Flora Shaw) named Nigeria. Imagine a whore naming an African country.
In retrospect, the british were not that bad, and they sure as hell are nothing like the current Arab and African monsters that rule with iron fists. Sure initial occupation is brutal but it also results in a better situation
quote:How can Nigeria be considered a success story? The drunken definitions used in these threads, with China, Morocco and Tunisia being introduced, makes Palestine look progressive. According to most indicators, Palestinian territories perform a lot better. That tells us that things aren't so well in these nations.
Originally posted by Mike111:
lamin - While for the most part true; I still wish you wouldn't treat such complicated problems so simplistically.
And for the record, not withstanding the crimes in between, those governed by the British were better of afterward. Think U.S.A. and Nigeria.
How come you have nothing to say about those a-hole Ethiopians naming their country "Ethiopia" BURNT FACE!!
quote:This is how it is done. It is more for the benefit of "western" nation allies like the U.S. than anything, to soften up public reaction to mounting military adventurism, where across the media concerns, any insurgents that come into collision with the "west" and its local ally are invariably labeled as "terrorists" or "al Qaeda" operatives, words which are used interchangeably. That this the pretext being given to this latest beefed up military action preparations in Yemen, which was already underway before the flight 253 incident. This is the same branding used in "western" media about Iraqi insurgents, and even the preposterous attempt to make a link between al Qaeda and Iran. Of course, the locals of the immediate theaters of military intervention are usually aware of the distinction between al Qaeda and local insurgent groups, but they are not necessarily the target audience for this sort of propaganda. When insurgents and their perceived "sympathizers" are militarily targeted, the destruction is thereof explained away by both the "western" meddling ally(s) and the local leadership as rooting out "terrorist" or "al Qaeda" operatives. Take note, for example:
Originally posted by Bob_01:
This is as Saudi as it comes. Please post sources that suggest the reverse. The Houthis, while not branded as Al Qaeda (who the hell would do that?) have strong ties with Iran.
quote:whay race are you??? you said previously you were not black i think
Originally posted by Bob_01:
I am not saying, blame white people. Instead we need to understand the forces involved in international oppression. That is the only way we could better ourselves. [/QB]
quote:Cause he spaced out...
Originally posted by Grumman:
Yes he is vague at times....
quote:Its totally understandable man, once we know whos the oppressor we totally kick ass man! Grooovey. Here, have a hit Grumman...
Originally posted by Grumman:
Maybe Bob means by understanding how the white folks do the oppressing we can learn how to join the club. But, the other hand, if the oppressors are in near total control then what does one do once armed with the information on how to better themselves given that the idea of oppression is just that, that is, international and white?
quote:I consider myself Black and probably would be considered that in virtually all settings. Besides, even if I wasn't, how what I suggest no stand?
Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:
quote:whay race are you??? you said previously you were not black i think [/QB]
Originally posted by Bob_01:
I am not saying, blame white people. Instead we need to understand the forces involved in international oppression. That is the only way we could better ourselves.
quote:No. The West. That class that manages these nations are "white guys".
Originally posted by Grumman:
Yes he is vague at times. One day he sounds like he hates white folks then the next he doesn't blame them. Witness this from him: ''Instead we need to understand the forces involved in international oppression.'' ... which are the white guys... right Bob?
quote:Quit being Irish. Does that even make sense? To somehow ignore the international forces involved is downright blind. That component, outside of a few individuals, tend to be ignored.
Maybe Bob means by understanding how the white folks do the oppressing we can learn how to join the club. But, the other hand, if the oppressors are in near total control then what does one do once armed with the information on how to better themselves given that the idea of oppression is just that, that is, international and white?
quote:There are no "oppressors". It's more of an ideological matter than anything else. To look for individuals is a waste of time.
Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
quote:Its totally understandable man, once we know whos the oppressor we totally kick ass man! Grooovey. Here, have a hit Grumman...
Originally posted by Grumman:
Maybe Bob means by understanding how the white folks do the oppressing we can learn how to join the club. But, the other hand, if the oppressors are in near total control then what does one do once armed with the information on how to better themselves given that the idea of oppression is just that, that is, international and white?
quote:Then its off to room 101 for you. You do know whats in room 101 don't you Grumman?
Originally posted by Grumman:
Anguishofbeing
''Grumman, you've been conspicuously absent from your IngSoc meetings. Is there something the matter?''
An attempt at probing no doubt. Probe all you want, there is no answer.
quote:What you said didn't matter? I don't remember debating with you earlier. It was rather directed at other users who did.
Originally posted by Grumman So now I'm ignoring international forces when I already said that they exist and use control?
quote:Huh?
Can I get a witness up in heah.
quote:It would be near impossible. How can you marginalize white people when they are armed with nuclear weapons? Such a dream would be downright suicidal.
I agree it would be because it would represent a setback. But once the ropes are learned it can be put to good use can't it; you know, like, sock it unto others as they sock it unto you.
quote:It would and thus I emphasize on the system being destroyed. Remember that paradigm isn't wholly universal, as we see tokens here and there. However,
Since the paradigm is international and white, and defines black as the extreme opposite then the struggle will continue unabated.
quote:Never stated that, as far as I know.
[Added Later]
When the hell I suggest that I hate people who choose to identify themselves as white?''
Beats me, I didn't see where you said it either.
quote:I am not talking about "white folks" but rather the identity itself. The construct and privilege associated with it is the problem. Those who associate with whiteness don't even matter. The ones who have a long time ago, such as the Irish, Jews, Russians and what not, are not that important.
Are you talking about the multiracialists, the ones who whine, or the plain ol' white folks? [/QB]
quote:I did'nt mean any harm, just curious. You talk about black and minority empowerment sometime from a 3rd person perspective sometime from a 1st person...so I had to ask.
Originally posted by Bob_01:
quote:I consider myself Black and probably would be considered that in virtually all settings. Besides, even if I wasn't, how what I suggest no stand?
Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:
quote:whay race are you??? you said previously you were not black i think
Originally posted by Bob_01:
I am not saying, blame white people. Instead we need to understand the forces involved in international oppression. That is the only way we could better ourselves.
As inhabitants of the third world, those of color, we have an interest in seeing Western imperialism exposed. That's something that isn't very popular amongst the "white" spheres staring Grumman.
quote:No. The West. That class that manages these nations are "white guys".
Originally posted by Grumman:
Yes he is vague at times. One day he sounds like he hates white folks then the next he doesn't blame them. Witness this from him: ''Instead we need to understand the forces involved in international oppression.'' ... which are the white guys... right Bob?
I don't see why you're so defensive about whiteness. There is no such a race, it is rather a club. There is no "white" culture, it developed out of the class.
That club was one wrapped around the Anglo-Saxon ideal. I don't give a **** about some racist donkey or kike opinions. The bigger issue is the ideology. That is why I took my position vs the uncle tom.
quote:Quit being Irish. Does that even make sense? To somehow ignore the international forces involved is downright blind. That component, outside of a few individuals, tend to be ignored.
Maybe Bob means by understanding how the white folks do the oppressing we can learn how to join the club. But, the other hand, if the oppressors are in near total control then what does one do once armed with the information on how to better themselves given that the idea of oppression is just that, that is, international and white?
Class-based...race-based...gender-based and what not. I focus on the racial aspect. That form of oppression is visibly present. These appear quite obviously in the international sphere.
Joining the white club would be a terrible waste of time. It will always define black as the extreme opposite. For that reasons, it's better to develop outside of that paradigm.
[Added Later]
When the hell I suggest that I hate people who choose to identify themselves as white? To be honest, I couldn't care less about white people (including white men) who often kill themselves in leading "White" nations. On the other hand, I definitely hate white privilege and the concept of whiteness.
If I wanted to join that club, why would I maintain my position on international politics? The truth is those NWO-esque ideas are white friendly, while suggesting that we live in a world where white (or male) privilege is a reality isn't. That these privileges perpetuate the disorder we see in our world, including European self-infliction. After all, excess power will lead to corruption.
Lastly, for Nigerians and other people of the third world to become white, it'd ultimately destroy the system. For that reason it'd make sense for that caste system to be dismantled. The majority that I've seen bank the NWO paradigm aren't looking forward to do that. [/QB]