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Posted by 85500 (Member # 17553) on :
 
It may seem every time I post an article about any historical event dealing with the horn of Africa, some rastafarian troll rushes in and vomits on the thread by praising haile selassie and dragging the topic into the mud with lame historical BS that should best start with "once upon a time" as these expert trolls and straw men savoy debaters will never post credible sources to back up their imaginations.


Today, i'm here to provide sources to him/them that Halie Selassie and Menelik didn't identify themselves as black men or even Africans. But before we start, I would like to remind everyone that Halie Selassie and Menelik II were first and foremost great politicians. When Italy invaded Halie Selassie' nation in 1935, he started looking for any help he can get, including from African-Americans. Many African Americans gave up their lives to a racist bigot. At the times, many African Americans and carribian nations were searching for a great black leader to follow. When the great Marcus Gravey pointed them to Halie Selassie, it was all but certain that many young African American men would give up their lives in Ethiopia for a racist bigot like Halie Selassie.


Here is the article:
http://www.madote.com/2010/03/were-ethiopian-leaders-colonialist.html


Ethiopian leaders such as Ras Alula Engida, Yohannes IV, Menelik II, and Haile Selassie are often regarded as being staunch anti-colonial leaders by many Ethiopian writers. In this article, we'll see how this portrayal of them isn't a very accurate one as it selectively ignores much of their collaboration with colonial forces.


Yohannes IV (born Kassay Mercha)
Ruled from: 1872 - 1889


For starters, Kassay Mercha of Tigray (later to be renamed Yohannes IV) is regarded as curbing colonialism by Ethiopian historians, a simple glance at his past shows that he came to power with the help of colonial British forces himself. It was not till Yohannes collaborated with British forces to dislodge emperor Tewodros did he become emperor himself. For his cooperations with the British, he ended up receiving British weapons and training of his troops, which led to his subsequent rise to power. Someone who worked with colonial forces to defeat their own countrymen certainly can not be taking as being anti-colonial.

Tewodros's death in 1868, which, like his life, was a turning point in his country's history, left Ethiopia again divided, and without a ruler. Three rival personalities then held power in different areas. The first to gain prominence was Wagshum Gobaze, the ruler of Amhara, Wag and Lasta, who was immediately crowned Emperor Takla Giyorgis at Gondar. He was, however, soon effectively challenged by Dajzmach Kasa Mercha of Tigray. The latter was militarily more pwerful, in part on account of the gift of arms he had received from the Napier expedition, and assiatance given him by a former member of the British force, John Kirkham, who had volunteered to train his army on European lines. Gobaze set out with 60,000 men to capture Adwa, the then capital of Tigray, but Kasa, making good use of his British guns, defeated him at the battle of Assam, on 11 July 1871. He then proclaimed himself Emperor Yohannes IV, on 21 January of the following year.The third contestant for power was Menilek, heir to the throne of Shawa, who had been one of Tewodro's prisoners at Maqdala, but escaped in 1865, and proclaimed himself king of his province. Though then the weakest of the three chiefs, he for a time laid ineffective claim to the imperial throne, which he was eventually to inherit. (2001, Richard Pankhurst, p.162)


Kassa [Yohannes] for his cooperation by presenting him with six mortars, six howitzers, as well as 850 muskets, and a goodly supply of ammunition. This somewhat unexpected military windfall contributed greatly to his subsequent rise to power. (2001, Richard Pankhurst, p. 161.)


Through out most of his reign, Yohannes stayed in close contact with the British. He wrote many letters to British leaders and often regarded the British has his 'protector'.

"I have now another mother and another protector among the European kings and people: Only believe England as my country: if my country is fair in the religion and love of our Lord Jesus Christ we are one and near. I cannot believe that your Majesty shall separate me from your children." (1991, Okbazghi Yohannes, p. 41)


Ras Alula Engida
Ruled from: never ruled, just Yohannes' General


After the defeat Yohannes by the Sudanese Mahdist, Ras Alula desperately tried to solicit the Italians, confirming that they can occupy all the lands up till the Mereb River (modern Eritrea), which is still the historical and modern border between Medri-bahri/Eritrea and Tigray/Ethiopia. Although by this point, it was evident that Ras Alula had already crossed the Mereb river and retreated back into Tigray, which completely ended his brief occupation over Medri-Bahri or Mareb Mellash as the Tigrayans called it. These following two quotes made by Ras Alula shows us without a doubt, that leaders of Tigray/Abyssinia of the late 19th century, were in alliance with the Italians for their political survival and that the regions of north of the Mereb river were foreign to them.


But if he [Menilek] gives as a present what is out of his door [the Marab Mellash] the present is of no value.You want the country to the Mareb (Eritrean highlands) to cultitivate your gardens, to build your houses, to construct your churches....? We can give it to you. [And not menilek.] Let the Italian soldiers come to Adwa, I shall come to meet them like a friend. (1996, Ḥagai Erlikh, p. 164)


"And you (Italians), why do you need to look for distant friends? We are neighbors (meaning Medri Bahri and Tigray) and can serve each other. You want the road to be open and I want the road to be open. You should guard to the Mereb River and I will guard it to Gondar and even beyond Gondar. We must be able to go to the coast to trade in order that our country (meaning Tigray) would flourish, with the help of God, Menelik is too far to be of any use to you. Let us make friendship between us. (1996, Ḥagai Erlikh, 164)"


Menelik II (born Sahle Maryam)
Ruled from: 1889 - 1913


Although Menelik is regarded as fighting colonialism by Ethiopian scholars and others alike, it was Menelik himself who worked alongside with Italians colonialist, going as far as stating that he himself felt Italian and wished no greater desire then to visiting Italy. Menelik told then Italian representative to Abyssinia, Count Antonelli:

"that he loved Italy so much that he felt 'half Italian and no greater wish that to go there and see it' (1986, Chris Prouty, p. 57)

Menelik himself viewed the Italians as close allies and at times, his protectors. In a letter written to the then Italian King Umberto, Menelik begged the King of Italy to protect him from his enemies; namely Yohannes, and he reassured the Italian king that his region was theirs to share with.

"I beg Your Majesty to defend me against every one as I don't know what European kings will say about this let others know that this region is ours." (1986, Chris Prouty, p. 54)

Just like the Tigrayan leaders of Alula and Mengesha, Menelik of showa had asked the Italians to occupy Medri-Bahri (Eritrean highlands) as well, despite the fact that he had no control over that region.


"Via Antonelli's courier, Menelik informed the King of Italy that he would like the Italian soldiers to occupy Asmara, in order to discourage the imperial pretensions of Mengesha Yohannes (the son of Emperor Yohannes)." "There after," added Menelik, "God will give me the throne that for many years I have had the right to have." (1986, Chris Prouty, p.61)


Haile Selassie (born Tafari Makonnen)
Ruled from: 1930 - 1935 and 1941- 1974


Menelik himself even stated that he was a 'Caucasian'. This non-African identity was also stated by Haile Selassie.

'I am not a Negro at all; I am a Caucasian' the Emperor Menelik told the West Indian pan-Africanist Benito Sylvian who had come to Addis Ababa to solicit the Emperor's leadership in a society for the 'Amelioration of the Negro race.' Haile Sellassie confirmed that view in a declaration to Chief H. O. Davis, a well known Nigerian nationalist, stating that the Ethiopians did not regard themselves as Africans, but as 'a mixed Hamito-Semitic people (2006, John H. Spencer, p. 306)


When Halie Selassie was invaded by Mussolini's Italian forces in 1935, he had offered to sell large chunks of Ethiopia off to Italy for one and a half milliard Lira. Halie Selassie even offered to have Italian advisors to direct his policies, effectively offering to be a vessel, in return to hold on to some form of power. However, this last ditch effort to hold on to power was rejected by Mussolini.

In his desperate act to hold power, Haile Selassie now made a secret peace overture to Mussolini, sending a former Ethiopian Minister in Rome to contact the Italian consul in Djibouti. He offered to sell a large part of Ethiopia to Italy for one and half milliard Lira and to appoint six Italian advisors to direct the policy of his government. Mussolini sent sourteous reply to the intermediary, expressing his pleasure that the Negus had at last decided to negotiate directly with him; but he said the offer was unacceptable." (1997, by Jasper Godwin Ridley, p.270)


After Haile Selassie fled to London, he snubbed the black nationalist Marcus Gravey because he was black.

When Haile Selassie fled to London, Gravey tried to contact him but was snubbed, and it was reported that "the emperor did not desire any contact with 'Negroes.'" (1963, Harold Robert Isaacs, p. 153)


Unhappy with the being snubbed, the famous Marcus Gravey wrote the following quote about Halie Selassie:

Mussolini of Italy has conquered Haile Selassie of Abyssinia, but he has not conquered the Abyssinians nor Abyssinia. The Emperor of Abyssinia allowed himself to be conquered, by playing white, by trusting to white advisers and by relying white Governments, including the white League of Nations.We can remember in 1920 inviting the Government of Abyssinia to send representatives to the International Convention of the Negro Peoples of the world in common with other Negro Conventions, the Abyssinian Government returned the communication unopened. Its policy then, as during the Italo-Abyssinian war, was no doubt to rely completely on the advice and friendship of white people. They ignored Negro relationship[s] from without and throttled Negro aspirations from within. The result was that they dragged along without any racial policy, except that of the ruling classes, believing themselves white and better than the rest, with a right to suppress the darker elements which make up the tremendous population. (2009, By Girma Menelik, p.57)


Lastly, here's an Ethiopian ex-patriot explaining his struggle to defend his home from Italian occupation and his accounts of Haile selessie's last days before fleeing for England. Please fast-forward to 8:45 into the video for his eye-witness accounts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdRhknE6wEo&feature=player_embedded
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
85500 - It is known that Selassie was not someone to take seriously. As to the Rastas; People who feel that they have no history are bound to try and make one up - the Whites in North Africa are doing the same thing.
 
Posted by ausar (Member # 1797) on :
 
I assume you are familiar with the book Son's of Sheba's race. The author of the book discussed Selassie's ethnocentrism.
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
[Embarrassed] When I think about it, I am not at all surprised by both the 'racial' mentality of these leaders nor their cowardice. The latter can be understood as the nature of typical power-hungry rulers, that when the going get rough for their countries and especially their powers just flee either literally or symbolically through death. As for the former problem of 'racial' identity, you do realize that Ethiopia was one of the first regions to be affected by the great European hoax known as the 'Hamitic Hypothesis' along with other Horn countries like Djibouti and Somalia and especially Egypt and northern Sudan. The prevailing notion of that time was that anyone with a narrow nose and thin lips was "caucasian" no matter how dark or black their skin was. This was why the Ba-Tutsi of Rwanda were favored by the Belgians over the Ba-Hutu, because they were deemed "caucasian" because of their facial features and were even said to be of Ethiopian origin despite all evidence showing them to share the same Bantu origins as their Hutu brothers. And look at what happened in that country! [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by astenb (Member # 14524) on :
 
Good Info OP, Thankfully is it sourced because i am will aware of the Eritrean propaganda machine lol.
 
Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
 
LOL at this clown Djehuti.


I'm sure everyone is thinking what in hell makes him an expert on Africans.


He ought to worry about his own wretched island seeing as the reason he left it was because black Americans have occupied it for 100 years.
 
Posted by 85500 (Member # 17553) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by astenb:
Good Info OP, Thankfully is it sourced because i am will aware of the Eritrean propaganda machine lol.

I don't know what you're talking about but if you want direct links to the sources, visit the link I already provided here:

http://www.madote.com/2010/03/were-ethiopian-leaders-colonialist.html

Djehuti, The Hutu and Tutsi genocide can happen anywhere at anytime. Identity is mostly based on the psychological dimension. It's easy to manipulate identity, because identity changes very rapidly. The whole concept of ethnic identity, like nation-state is a new phenomenon. 150 years ago, there were no such things as ethnic identity. people either went by their regional names, clans, family name or by their language.
 
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 
Mike
quote:
85500 - It is known that Selassie was not someone to take seriously. As to the Rastas; People who feel that they have no history are bound to try and make one up - the Whites in North Africa are doing the same thing.
At least Rastas stick to the continent when searching or looking for inspiration for their history/legend/religion and not running off to Eurasia,"Persia".. etc.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Mike
quote:
85500 - It is known that Selassie was not someone to take seriously. As to the Rastas; People who feel that they have no history are bound to try and make one up - the Whites in North Africa are doing the same thing.
At least Rastas stick to the continent when searching or looking for inspiration for their history/legend/religion and not running off to Eurasia,"Persia".. etc.
Good obseration Brada.

And Rastas love all Africans,
unlike some people on this board who see
Eurasian-Afros [Eek!] as superior to west African Afros..
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:
The whole concept of ethnic identity, like nation-state is a new phenomenon. 150 years ago, there were no such things as ethnic identity. people either went by their regional names, clans, family name or by their language.

So, you are of the mindset that Kemet, Kush, ancient Mali, Aksum, et al. had no concept of nation-state or ethnic identity?
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
King of Kings conquers United States:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqhWWu8BvFI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhhwF__fWMI
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:
quote:
Originally posted by astenb:
Good Info OP, Thankfully is it sourced because i am will aware of the Eritrean propaganda machine lol.

I don't know what you're talking about ...blah blah blah...3/were-ethiopian-leaders-colonialist.html

Djehuti, blah blah baaaah....

Thin-legged Eriterian
these are your tin-gods:

(2006, John H. Spencer, p. 306)
(1997, by Jasper Godwin Ridley, p.270)
(1963, Harold Robert Isaacs, p. 153)
(1986, Chris Prouty, p. 57)
(1996, Ḥagai Erlikh, p. 164)
(2001, Richard Pankhurst, p.162)

Your authorities are just
a bunch of confused pink bwoys
on a mission to keep you perpetually confused.

When you know where you are coming from
You will know where you are going to...
You will also know which side you should be on
and which one you should fight....

Time will teach your thin arse
O ye thin legged Eriterian bastard! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
85500 - It is known that Selassie was not someone to take seriously. As to the Rastas; People who feel that they have no history are bound to try and make one up - the Whites in North Africa are doing the same thing.

Mike111 ye conflicted arm-chair theorist...this one is for you! [Big Grin]


H.I.M. Haile Selassie OAU speech 1963 African Summit

"We welcome to Ethiopia, in Our name and in the name of the Ethiopian Government and people, the Heads of State and Government of independent African nations who are today assembled in solemn conclave in Ethiopia's capital city. This conference, without parallel in history, is an impressive testimonial to the devotion and dedication of which we all partake in the cause of our mother continent and that of her sons and daughters. This is indeed a momentous and historic day for Africa and for all Africans.

We stand today on the stage of world affairs, before the audience of world opinion. We have come together to assert our role in the direction of world affairs and to discharge our duty to the great continent whose two hundred fifty million people we lead. Africa is today at mid- course, in transition from the Africa of yesterday to the Africa of tomorrow. Even as we stand here we move from the past into the future. The task on which we have embarked, the making of Africa, will not wait. We must act, to shape and mould the future and leave our imprint on events as they pass into history.

We seek, at this meeting, to determine whither we are going and to chart the course of our destiny. It is no less important that we know whence we came. An awareness of our past is essential to the establishment of our personality and our identity as Africans. This world was not created piecemeal. Africa was born no later and no earlier than any other geographical area on this globe. Africans, no more and no less than other men, possess all human attributes, talents and deficiencies, virtues and faults. Thousands of years ago, civilizations flourished in Africa which suffer not at all by comparison with those of other continents. In those centuries, Africans were politically free and economically independent. Their social patterns were their own and their cultures truly indigenous. The obscurity which enshrouds the centuries which elapsed between those earliest days and the rediscovery of Africa are being gradually dispersed. What is certain is that during those long years Africans were born, lived and died. Men on other parts of this Earth occupied themselves with their own concerns and, in their conceit, proclaimed that the world began and ended at their horizons. All unknown to them, Africa developed in its own pattern, growing in its own life and, in the nineteenth century, finally re-emerged into the world's consciousness.

The events of the past hundred and fifty years require no extended recitation from Us. The period of colonialism into which we were plunged culminated with our continent fettered and bound, with our once proud and free peoples reduced to humiliation and slavery; with Africa's terrain cross-batched and checkerboarded by artificial and arbitrary boundaries. Many of us, during those bitter years, were overwhelmed in battle, and those who escaped conquest did so at the cost of desperate resistance and bloodshed. Others were sold into bondage as the price extracted by the colonialists for the "protection" which they extended and the possession of which they disposed. Africa was a physical resource to be exploited and Africans were chattels to be purchased bodily or, at best, peoples to be reduced to vassalage and lackeyhood. Africa was the market for the produce of other nations and the source of the raw materials with which their factories were fed.

Today, Africa has emerged from this dark passage. Our armageddon is past. Africa has been reborn as a free continent and Africans have been reborn as free men. The blood that was shed and the sufferings that were endured are today Africa's advocates for freedom and unity. Those men who refused to accept the judgement passed upon them by the colonies, who held unswervingly through the darkest hours to a vision of an Africa emancipated from political, economic and spiritual domination, will be remembered and revered wherever Africans meet. Many of them never set foot on this continent. Others were born and died here. What we may utter today can add little to the heroic struggle of those who, by their example, have shown us how precious are freedom and human dignity and of how little value is life without them. Their deeds are written in history."

H.I.M. Emperor Haile Selassie I
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ausar:
I assume you are familiar with the book Son's of Sheba's race. The author of the book discussed Selassie's ethnocentrism.

Ausar ye sneaky mulatto Egyptian, [Big Grin] this is for you too (Universal Haile Selassie):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH7LNI_9nVY&feature=player_embedded
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:
The whole concept of ethnic identity, like nation-state is a new phenomenon. 150 years ago, there were no such things as ethnic identity. people either went by their regional names, clans, family name or by their language.

So, you are of the mindset that Kemet, Kush, ancient Mali, Aksum, et al. had no concept of nation-state or ethnic identity?
Tha bwoy ah jus one flim-flam Arab bwoy, wannabe Hamitic that comes to divide and conquer!

Fire fi the wicked! [Mad]
 
Posted by 85500 (Member # 17553) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:
The whole concept of ethnic identity, like nation-state is a new phenomenon. 150 years ago, there were no such things as ethnic identity. people either went by their regional names, clans, family name or by their language.

So, you are of the mindset that Kemet, Kush, ancient Mali, Aksum, et al. had no concept of nation-state or ethnic identity?
Nation-state with fixed borders is a modern European invention. Ethnic identity is a 20th century western concept that has its origins in the United States.

It was not till 1945 that the word ethnicity specifically started representing "a member of a particular ethnic group". So it would be very hard for the ancient Africans to identify with our modern concept of identity.

Btw, i'm not under the impression that the ancient Kemets, Kush, ancient Mali, and certainly the Aksumites were a homogeneous people. Hypothetically speaking, even if they were homogeneous people, it still does not mean they will identify with being the same. Ethnic identity really boils down to the individual groups/family/person. The thing that's odd about ethnic identity is it really does feel like its been around since the dawn of man but it really hasn't.

Here's a link showcasing the history of the western concept of ethnic identity.

http://www.madote.com/2010/02/biher-tigrinya-and-tigray-people-war-of.html
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:
The whole concept of ethnic identity, like nation-state is a new phenomenon. 150 years ago, there were no such things as ethnic identity. people either went by their regional names, clans, family name or by their language.

So, you are of the mindset that Kemet, Kush, ancient Mali, Aksum, et al. had no concept of nation-state or ethnic identity?
Nation-state with fixed borders is a modern European invention. ...
Error number one, fixed borders were known to ancient civilization such as Kemit, Kush, etc. Ancient Kemit had fixed borders marked by the cataracts of the Nile....

quote:
Here's a link showcasing the history of the western concept of ethnic identity.

http://www.madote.com/2010/02/biher-tigrinya-and-tigray-people-war-of.html

You are still at a very rudimentary stage when
you have not discovered the real value of western
scholarship and episteme...

Anyway, you will grow up after your first summer job ...
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:

Nation-state with fixed borders is a modern European invention.

Did Kemet, Aksum, Kush, ancient Ghana et al. have borders? Did they have national sovereignty? Did Kemetians call just about anybody "Kmtyw"?
 
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 
I am not going to minimized the suffering caused by the conflict between Ethiopia and Eriteria and even how it got started..one friend of mine an Ethiopian suggested that they are still pissed at being un-necessarly abondoned by Menelik to the Italians. So be it from me to tell them to get over it...I don't live there. But using Western media at the time to show that both Selassie and Menelik proclaimed themselves white and proud need to be taken with a whole sh!t-load of salt...after-all there is an youtube documentary made in as late 1960...something that made the bold claim that the Ethiopians are
Aryans LoL not even Semities in the sterotypical sense..or the good ol Hamites. time permitting I will track it down and post it.

Lion mi bradda !!no name calling man let dem air out dem opinions betta to let it be said than un-said, you just bring u knowladge man..respect.
 
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
 
Another bait thread, this time it seems from a certain thin-legged Eritrean. lol
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
The bit about Menelik II or Haile Selassie buying into the Hamitic myth doesn't seem all that far-fetched to me, to be frank.

Ps: If for no other reason, independent from that of any European influence, then simply turn to the Kebra Negast, and you'll see why. That said, the Ethiopian state under Haile Selassie did lobby with great effort to get consensus vote on having the OAU headquarters in Addis Ababa.
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Lion - Care not what a man says, but look to what he does.
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Brada, Lion; I am not an expert on Ethiopian, so my comments are of a passing nature. But to me, the obvious is so telling that the conclusions are natural.

Ethiopia is the worlds oldest country, still ruled by the original people (in loose context). Yet like every other African state, it is a mess - the facts speak for themselves.
 
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 
Mike
quote:
Lion - Care not what a man says, but look to what he does.
Well Mike look at what he tried to do..and remember as humans we are often complex and contradictory even at the best of times..so find out what he accomplished in his career then.

Explorer
quote:
The bit about Menelik II or Haile Selassie buying into the Hamitic myth doesn't seem all that far-fetched to me, to be frank.
Why yes because many in the west also bought into the same myth both Blacks and non Blacks just by the bible alone without ones family being of importance in it the Ark story??.. and remember the Ham stories very negative at the time..
 
Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
 

 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
Lion - Care not what a man says, but look to what he does.

What did he do Mike? And what did he not do?

The man literally freed Africa from Colonialism. Literally single-handedly freed Africa, installed African Unity and Nationalism, inspired Global Black Liberation Activists from J.A. Rogers, to Nkrumah, Azikiwe, Kenyatta, Martin Luther KingJr., Nelson Mandela,..name whoever...they all were inspired, materially aided, and spiritually supported by His Imperial Majesty.

Now Mike, what did the man not do right?

Lion!
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Mike
quote:
[b.

Explorer
[QUOTE] The bit about Menelik II or Haile Selassie buying into the Hamitic myth doesn't seem all that far-fetched to me, to be frank.

Why yes because many in the west also bought into the same myth both Blacks and non Blacks just by the bible alone without ones family being of importance in it the Ark story??.. and remember the Ham stories very negative at the time..
Nothing wrong in claiming Hamitic proved you know what you are talking about.

In Ethiopia, Ham is considered the father of Cush, who is the father of Ethyops who fathered the ancient Ethiopians..

If based on this folklore a tribe in Ethiopia claims Hamitic descent, how are they wrong???

Finally, can someone post me one line from Selassie wherein he claimed to be Hamitic?

Lion!
 
Posted by Yonis2 (Member # 11348) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
Lion - Care not what a man says, but look to what he does.

What did he do Mike? And what did he not do?

The man literally freed Africa from Colonialism. Literally single-handedly freed Africa, installed African Unity and Nationalism, inspired Global Black Liberation Activists from J.A. Rogers, to Nkrumah, Azikiwe, Kenyatta, Martin Luther KingJr., Nelson Mandela,..name whoever...they all were inspired, materially aided, and spiritually supported by His Imperial Majesty.

Now Mike, what did the man not do right?

Lion!

I've told you before to lay down that crack pipe!
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Yonis2:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
Lion - Care not what a man says, but look to what he does.

What did he do Mike? And what did he not do?

The man literally freed Africa from Colonialism. Literally single-handedly freed Africa, installed African Unity and Nationalism, inspired Global Black Liberation Activists from J.A. Rogers, to Nkrumah, Azikiwe, Kenyatta, Martin Luther KingJr., Nelson Mandela,..name whoever...they all were inspired, materially aided, and spiritually supported by His Imperial Majesty.

Now Mike, what did the man not do right?

Lion!

I've told you before to lay down that crack pipe!
Somalia excluded... [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:48 AM ET

By Paul Simao

JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - Buried beneath a thick layer of dirt on a former farm in a northern Johannesburg suburb is the most famous gun in South African history. Or so a team of historians believe.

For the past week, a bulldozer has been digging on the Liliesleaf farm in Rivonia in search of the Bulgarian pistol that former South African President Nelson Mandela hid weeks before his 1962 arrest by the nation's white rulers.

The effort to find the gun -- which was largely forgotten through the darkest days of apartheid, the fall of white rule and establishment of democracy -- has taken on a life of its own and stoked the interest of many, including Mandela.

"He has said, 'I hope you find it,'" said Nicholas Wolpe, the son of Harold Wolpe, an anti-apartheid activist who helped buy the property in 1961 for use as a secret meeting place for Communists and African National Congress members.

The gun, a semi-automatic Makarov that was never fired, was given to Mandela by an Ethiopian colonel in 1962 when the ANC leader traveled secretly out of white-ruled South Africa for military training.....(THIS WAS HALIE SELASSIE'S ETHIOPIA...)

http://nazret.com/blog/index.php?title=search_for_mandela_s_gun_shines_light_on&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
Brada, Lion; I am not an expert on Ethiopian, so my comments are of a passing nature. But to me, the obvious is so telling that the conclusions are natural.

Ethiopia is the worlds oldest country, still ruled by the original people (in loose context). Yet like every other African state, it is a mess - the facts speak for themselves.

Mike HIM was born in 1884 or thereabout. At his birth the mother-land was already exhausted. Africa north south and east west was in subjugation. He was not responsible for it, he tried to rebuild the walls of the great house. He was the god-father of African liberation movements, the continent wide. Haile Selassie's Ethiopia was the training ground for the African liberation Army fighting the colonialists...

Addis Ababa is the capital of today's Africa. The black lion still rules from there.

I have been there, I know...
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:

Explorer
quote:
The bit about Menelik II or Haile Selassie buying into the Hamitic myth doesn't seem all that far-fetched to me, to be frank.
Why yes because many in the west also bought into the same myth both Blacks and non Blacks just by the bible alone without ones family being of importance in it the Ark story??.. and remember the Ham stories very negative at the time..
Well, you see, Menelik and Haile Selassie belonged to a line of rulers who legitimized their rule over much of Ethiopia by tracing their lineage to King Solomon. This allowed these figures to lay claim to uninterrupted royal line from times of the Aksumite kingdom. This legend was therefore a central piece of their rule. Add to this that more than likely, from an international perspective, by around the time of these two rulers, they must have been aware of "western" perceptions of biblical figures like King Solomon and "western" anthropological constructs vis-a-vis the "Hamitic hypothesis", and it is from that context, they will have veered from identifying themselves as "blacks". This is how the logic goes: If you are a descendant of King Solomon, and King Solomon in turn was not regarded as "black" in the "west", then you as a descendant staying true to the Solomonic line of descent, will tell someone from the so-called "west" that you are not "black" either. The Hamitic hypothesis would have only reinforced this perception further. It would appear that these elements somehow diffused to the general Ethiopian public and had helped shaped viewpoints therein around their 'Africanity' and 'blackness', which is one of denial of either or both. For the Ethiopian ruling elite, the issue went beyond color-ethnic identity politics, but being mindful of events surrounding color-ethnic identity politics in the "west" and being pressed to speak on those terms, they felt compelled to make their stance accordingly.
 
Posted by Yonis2 (Member # 11348) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:
Originally posted by Yonis2:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
Lion - Care not what a man says, but look to what he does.

What did he do Mike? And what did he not do?

The man literally freed Africa from Colonialism. Literally single-handedly freed Africa, installed African Unity and Nationalism, inspired Global Black Liberation Activists from J.A. Rogers, to Nkrumah, Azikiwe, Kenyatta, Martin Luther KingJr., Nelson Mandela,..name whoever...they all were inspired, materially aided, and spiritually supported by His Imperial Majesty.

Now Mike, what did the man not do right?

Lion!

I've told you before to lay down that crack pipe!
Somalia excluded... [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
For sure!

Haile sellasie objected when somalia got it's independance, just like menelik he suggested that somalia should be incorporated into ethiopia, and that the land has always belonged to and ruled by ethiopians, ofcourse a big lie. The man basically wanted somalis to be re-colonized, he's an "african freedom fighter", right?
He is also quoted as saying " Somalis are not black nor arabs but a race of bastards", as if his oromo ass was much different, lol.

Btw you are from west african(?)if i'm right, how the hell can you praise a man who openly said about marcus garvey " i don't talk to negroes", where is your pride Fool?
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Yonis2:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:
Originally posted by Yonis2:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
Lion - Care not what a man says, but look to what he does.

What did he do Mike? And what did he not do?

The man literally freed Africa from Colonialism. Literally single-handedly freed Africa, installed African Unity and Nationalism, inspired Global Black Liberation Activists from J.A. Rogers, to Nkrumah, Azikiwe, Kenyatta, Martin Luther KingJr., Nelson Mandela,..name whoever...they all were inspired, materially aided, and spiritually supported by His Imperial Majesty.

Now Mike, what did the man not do right?

Lion!

I've told you before to lay down that crack pipe!
Somalia excluded... [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
For sure!

Haile sellasie objected when somalia got it's independance, just like menelik he suggested that somalia should be incorporated into ethiopia, and that the land has always belonged to and ruled by ethiopians, ofcourse a big lie.


He is also quoted as saying " Somalis are not black nor arabs but a race of bastards", as if his oromo ass was much different, lol.

Btw you are from west african(?)if i'm right, how the hell can you praise a man who openly said about marcus garvey " i don't talk to negroes", where is your pride Fool?

But Somalis are global bastards [Big Grin] Just look at you Yonis, if you are Somali as you claim, you do fit that very description. Just look at modern day Smaali and weep! Selassie I was right as always!

I am that I am...Rastafari. Black International. West, South, East and North.

Haile Selassie, Marcus Garvey and Emmanuel are the three lights of the Black race. Don't fool with this Smaaali, don't toy with us...

Marcus Garvey went before the league of Nation several times to complain about racism and white supremacy in USA. How was he able to do that? Did he own a state? Do you think he went there on America's invitation? Did you know that Garvey was also an Honorary Citizen of Ethiopia granted by Haile Selassie?

Name one great African liberation figure who is not indebted to Haile Selassie. That is my challenge to the ungrateful Eriteruan and Samaali Woyanis?

I suppose you would rather the Italians to continue raping your mothers and your sisters than live under a free Ethiopian flag.
 
Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
 
I don't know why Great African Empires are so smitten and awe struck at European people..??
 
Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
 
Jari-Ankhamun wrote:
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I don't know why Great African Empires are so smitten and awe struck at European people..??
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What do you base this on other than your mindless opinion?
 
Posted by AswaniAswad (Member # 16742) on :
 
I cant believe U Even believe this **** and U 855ZERO u are just as funny as all that bullshit u wrote up top and u call those sources ahahhahahhahahha ya hayawan.

No European is to be taken serious when speaking about ERitrea or Ethiopia or Egypt or Africa.

All of those Fake sources u put up are funny u even think that Selassie and Menelik think they are White Hahahhahahahahahah u think im suppose to believe u by the way 85550000 how old are u u seem like a young eritrean kid filled with the propoganda of his parents.

Do us a Favor Keep your Eritrean Ethiopian Tigray Asmara **** out of here this is not education this is propoganda political fake country ****
 
Posted by astenb (Member # 14524) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by AswaniAswad:
I cant believe U Even believe this **** and U 855ZERO u are just as funny as all that bullshit u wrote up top and u call those sources ahahhahahhahahha ya hayawan.

No European is to be taken serious when speaking about ERitrea or Ethiopia or Egypt or Africa.

All of those Fake sources u put up are funny u even think that Selassie and Menelik think they are White Hahahhahahahahahah u think im suppose to believe u by the way 85550000 how old are u u seem like a young eritrean kid filled with the propoganda of his parents.

Do us a Favor Keep your Eritrean Ethiopian Tigray Asmara **** out of here this is not education this is propoganda political fake country ****

The Eritrean propaganda machine is VERY STRONG. I thought you know how they rolled. 85500 dont think I am hating I am just saying...
Live Eri-TV

I bet you cant go 5 minutes before seeing a cute female freedom fighter with an Afro, khaki shorts, and Kalashnikov or those big ass sandals.

I got a lot of respect for Eritreans though. it was Eritreans and Sudanese the put me on to Africana in the first place.
 
Posted by Yonis2 (Member # 11348) on :
 
Lol at the congregation of Ethiopian boot lickers.

Btw, Lion and the rest of fools, go and look up the Amharic word "Baria/barya", i hope you'll still see the great love amharas have for you. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
 
Are you all aware that Hitler was fond of the Ethiopians and even helped them in their war against Italy?
 
Posted by Yonis2 (Member # 11348) on :
 
Bullshit!

Mussolini was one of the few allies Nazi germany had along with imperial japan, they never jeoperdized their relationship with these two entities, in particular by aiding a delusional weak nation with no modern military industry to speak of.
 
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 
Osirion
quote:
Are you all aware that Hitler was fond of the Ethiopians and even helped them in their war against Italy?
Osirion???...sometimes you say the oddest sh!t...Krriest!!..at least show some source..Yonis who have very little love for the Habasha..wouldn't go there..damnm man!!.. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
 
Yeah As I read what Osirion said, it made me see that ignorance is bliss.

Why even make a post about that? Just because someone does not like HIM does not mean you should try and group them with vile disgusting people like the nazis.

Brada let me ask you if this is true. I hear that Rastas are divided into 4 clans. The Bobo Shanti, 12 Tribes, Nyahbinghi, and I forget the last. Now I hear the 12 tribes don't look at Selassie as God but continue to believe in Jesus's 2nd coming. Now is this true, or am I offbase.

Brada, IronLion if you can chime in hear please.

Peace
 
Posted by 85500 (Member # 17553) on :
 
It's well known Hitler assisted Ethiopia during Ethiopia's war with Italy in 1935. But this wasn't because Hitler was 'fond' of Ethiopia, it was purely political and in some cases, financial.

"The Italo-Ethiopian war made possible the Italy-German rapprochement because Hitler did not apply sanctions against Italy and made it available to Italy certain boycotted products, such as coal, allowing Mussolini to challenge the international community and with the war.However, in spite of the fact that Germany had adopted a neutral policy, Hitler secretly authorized a 3 billion mark credit to Ethiopia to buy arms.."

SOURCE http://tinyurl.com/ygu2nfg


"Germany became aware that its re-armament was worrying the European continent, and that it would become a target. When Pierre Laval signed the treaty with Italy, Germany became increasingly aware of the resistance presented by many European powers. In an internal document, a German representative in Ethiopia discussed with Emperor Haile Selassie the supply of modern arms and material for chemical warfare. If the Germans’ offer of arms was favorable, Ethiopia was to send a representative to Berlin to discuss the situation.10 Germany later said internally that it and Ethiopia had the same interests, and that a conflict with Italy over the Austrian question would be inevitable.11 Germany was aware that Mussolini, along with Britain and France, did not favor his involvement with Austria. Hitler felt that the only way to be able to take over Austria was to arm the Ethiopians as much as possible so that they would offer the greatest resistance toward the Italians. With the Italians distracted, Hitler would go into Austria. Hitler kept this plan secret, because he was aware of the complicated European political situation.12
German firms saw an interest in Ethiopia like the Italians did, but not for the same reasons. Companies such as Rheinmetall and Krupp Steel were aware that Ethiopia desperately needed supplies, and they could provide them.13 They helped supply the weapons to Ethiopia that were agreed to by Selassie and Hitler. The fact that Ethiopia was on the verge of entering war meant that they need to buy as many supplies as possible to prepare. German firms were prepared to offer Ethiopians what they needed in order to profit. Italy also saw an economic interest in Ethiopia because Mussolini was aware that Ethiopia had a large amount of natural resources, and Italy could improve its struggling economy. With an already struggling economy, Italy was desperate to look for solutions for this problem, and Ethiopia became a possible solution.

Emperor Haile Selassie would of course try and take the offer made by the Germans, and Ethiopia would receive some weapons from German firms.14 Emperor Selassie knew that Italy was a large military power, and it needed to arm immediately. Both Germany and Ethiopia felt they would win through this arms deal. With Mussolini sending troops into British Somaliland to prepare for the imminent invasion, Ethiopia had to speed up the process of the deal.15 Germany began to play a large role in the imminent war by causing panic in Europe while making deals with Ethiopia to stop Italy from conquest.
When the main invasion began in October of 1935, German officials discussed the situation. Communications showed that Germany wished to remain a “non-participant,” and with Italy diverted away from Europe and the League of Nations weakened, Germany focused on the Austrian question.16 It watched the Italian conflict, but Emperor Haile Selassie was aware that he was outnumbered, and Germany felt that Italy would likely succeed. Germany now knew that this was the time to take advantage of the European political situation, and it hoped that the Italo-Abyssinian conflict would continue for a long period of time so that it could begin its expansion plans.
"

SOURCE: http://tinyurl.com/ylcdh9u


I'll respond to the other stuff when I have more time. Peace for now and let your sources do the talking.
 
Posted by Kalonji (Member # 17303) on :
 
Very interesting
Several points go against everything I held to be true about Halie Selassie. Will get to the bottom of this one of these days. This is exactly why I am all for having diverse people in the environment that have different thought patterns on whatever we hold to be true. We'll see in the near future how much truth there is to this and whether there is more.
 
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 
King
quote:
Brada let me ask you if this is true. I hear that Rastas are divided into 4 clans. The Bobo Shanti, 12 Tribes, Nyahbinghi, and I forget the last. Now I hear the 12 tribes don't look at Selassie as God but continue to believe in Jesus's 2nd coming. Now is this true, or am I offbase.
well Full Filled Rasta they believed in Jesus Christ.. they are basically Ethiopian Orthodox like.. and a local African group in Angola called Remi very new don't know much about them.

But you have to remember that despite the names "clans" there are no strict boundaries or dogmas as they are not too keen on any form of organized religion all used the Bible.
 
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 
85500 thanks for the link..however that does not mean even if true an arms deal when down in secret do not make them allies after-all the Nazi were tight with the Russians until operation Barbarossa..and American companies did business with the Nazi deep into the war.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
The Organization of African Unity now known as the African Union was established by Haile Selassie in 1963 in Addis Ababa! HIM was the first chairperson of that eminent body.

The OAU is the nearest Africa has come to fulfilling the dreams of Marcus Garvey with his United Negro Improvement Association.

The OAU was responsible for the complete political decolonization of Africa, economic development and social integration.

Today only Morocco and Eriteria are against the AU/OAU in Africa. Eriterians prefer to deal with Italians, many of them have Italian heritage from days of conquest and Italian settlement in Asmara...Many other Eriterians are Turkish descendants, just like their neighbourhood pals the wild Somalis.

For this reason, they have always been against African Unity. Like their European ancestors, the fail to understand that Africa was the first state-builder, and that Africans have an essential unity as evidenced by cultural similarities, religious concept and social organizations.

The Italian Eriterians cite European sources to counter-argue the promulgations of the OAU, the AU and even the world court. They reject all peace settlement of modern African borders. they have minimal representation at the AU.

Eriterians focus on Italy, then the Arabian pennisula, the two regions where many of them immigrated from. In Eriteria, Italian is a lingua franca.

Modern Asmara is basically Africa's little Italy, whereas in the days when real negros lived therein, it was Africa's headquarters.

Eriterians are all about Yemen and Saudi Arabia, and their funding comes from radical Islamic militant groups. They are also very chubby with Italian facist politicians like Berlusconni. This is why they all hate Ethiopia, because Ethiopia resisted and defeated the Italians.

US considers Eriteria as a terrorist outpost and Barack Obama has not even acknowledged its existence.

Today, Eriterians are the only Africans unknown to other Africans. It is a cult state, ruled by a half-crazy, half-breed Italian mecenary known as Afwerki.

So much for African unity and the Eriterians.

See the Charter of the OAU

See the Charter of the AU
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
King
quote:
Brada let me ask you if this is true. I hear that Rastas are divided into 4 clans. The Bobo Shanti, 12 Tribes, Nyahbinghi, and I forget the last. Now I hear the 12 tribes don't look at Selassie as God but continue to believe in Jesus's 2nd coming. Now is this true, or am I offbase.
well Full Filled Rasta they believed in Jesus Christ.. they are basically Ethiopian Orthodox like.. and a local African group in Angola called Remi very new don't know much about them.

But you have to remember that despite the names "clans" there are no strict boundaries or dogmas as they are not too keen on any form of organized religion all used the Bible.

And there are the mystic Rastas who belong to no house at all but Jah.
 
Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by KING:
Yeah As I read what Osirion said, it made me see that ignorance is bliss.

Why even make a post about that? Just because someone does not like HIM does not mean you should try and group them with vile disgusting people like the nazis.

Brada let me ask you if this is true. I hear that Rastas are divided into 4 clans. The Bobo Shanti, 12 Tribes, Nyahbinghi, and I forget the last. Now I hear the 12 tribes don't look at Selassie as God but continue to believe in Jesus's 2nd coming. Now is this true, or am I offbase.

Brada, IronLion if you can chime in hear please.

Peace

There are many different "Rasta" groups. Some(MOST) are more peaceful Pro African folks who believe in Race Unity and that the Ethiopians are the true Jews, they believe The Garden of eden was in Ethiopia(Some evidence exists for this). Some believe that Israel was in Ethiopia instead of Canaan, though Im not sure if many hold on to this idea, I would ask Iron Lion.

Then there are Millitant Rastas who believe White people are the Epitomy of Satan. Im not sure what they hold for End Times but I think it revoves around Babyon(Western Civilization) being destoyed by a Black Messiah(Maybe Hallie Sallasse becuase they(some??) say Halle is Jesus). Then again I could be wrong but I have battled some of these Millitant Rastas from time to time.(They say that the Bible is Astrological with no proof then use the bible to condemn whites, or they espouse the debunked and false doctine that Jesus is Horus and Christianity is based off of Egyptian myths..) Though most Millitant Rastas tend to keep to themselves unlike Black Hebrews.

Im not sure how the 12 tribes works with Rastas but the black Hebrews have a 12 tribe doctrine, and like the Rastas you have Peaceful black Hebrews who accept all races and Millitant ones that preach death to the "Gentiles" esp. so called Edomites.

Most Rastas are cool, lol and some have me cracking up on youtube esp. when they talk about the Pope...LOOOL...MAN.

Other than worshipping Halle Sallsie(Im not sure I worshipping him is even true, it might be a rumor. they might just regard him as a prophet??), I mean he was a great African leader and all, I see no problem with Rastas.
 
Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kalonji:
Very interesting
Several points go against everything I held to be true about Halie Selassie. Will get to the bottom of this one of these days. This is exactly why I am all for having diverse people in the environment that have different thought patterns on whatever we hold to be true. We'll see in the near future how much truth there is to this and whether there is more.

I don't see this as evidence to change my attitude toward Hallie Sallase. I mean first off If he DID in fact claim Ethiopians to a mix of "Semite" and "Hamite" did he not come from a lineage the Solomonic which claimed to be of Sheba and Solomon?? So again people who study Africana and Ethiopia know full well of the Solomonic so why should Salasse claims of Half Semetic and Hamitic be a big deal.

Now the whole romantisizing with the British and Italians sounds a little pathetic but the African kingdom of the Kongo did this with the Portugese.

Again I still think Salasse was a Good African leader.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:
quote:
Originally posted by KING:
Yeah As I read what Osirion said, it made me see that ignorance is bliss.

Why even make a post about that? Just because someone does not like HIM does not mean you should try and group them with vile disgusting people like the nazis.

Brada let me ask you if this is true. I hear that Rastas are divided into 4 clans. The Bobo Shanti, 12 Tribes, Nyahbinghi, and I forget the last. Now I hear the 12 tribes don't look at Selassie as God but continue to believe in Jesus's 2nd coming. Now is this true, or am I offbase.

Brada, IronLion if you can chime in hear please.

Peace

There are many different "Rasta" groups. Some(MOST) are more peaceful Pro African folks who believe in Race Unity and that the Ethiopians are the true Jews, they believe The Garden of eden was in Ethiopia(Some evidence exists for this). Some believe that Israel was in Ethiopia instead of Canaan, though Im not sure if many hold on to this idea, I would ask Iron Lion.

Then there are Millitant Rastas who believe White people are the Epitomy of Satan. Im not sure what they hold for End Times but I think it revoves around Babyon(Western Civilization) being destoyed by a Black Messiah(Maybe Hallie Sallasse becuase they(some??) say Halle is Jesus). Then again I could be wrong but I have battled some of these Millitant Rastas from time to time.(They say that the Bible is Astrological with no proof then use the bible to condemn whites, or they espouse the debunked and false doctine that Jesus is Horus and Christianity is based off of Egyptian myths..) Though most Millitant Rastas tend to keep to themselves unlike Black Hebrews.

Im not sure how the 12 tribes works with Rastas but the black Hebrews have a 12 tribe doctrine, and like the Rastas you have Peaceful black Hebrews who accept all races and Millitant ones that preach death to the "Gentiles" esp. so called Edomites.

Most Rastas are cool, lol and some have me cracking up on youtube esp. when they talk about the Pope...LOOOL...MAN.

Other than worshipping Halle Sallsie(Im not sure I worshipping him is even true, it might be a rumor. they might just regard him as a prophet??), I mean he was a great African leader and all, I see no problem with Rastas.

Jari, you are alright man...you are cool!

Peace and Love!

Lion!
 
Posted by Kalonji (Member # 17303) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:
quote:
Originally posted by Kalonji:
Very interesting
Several points go against everything I held to be true about Halie Selassie. Will get to the bottom of this one of these days. This is exactly why I am all for having diverse people in the environment that have different thought patterns on whatever we hold to be true. We'll see in the near future how much truth there is to this and whether there is more.

I don't see this as evidence to change my attitude toward Hallie Sallase. I mean first off If he DID in fact claim Ethiopians to a mix of "Semite" and "Hamite" did he not come from a lineage the Solomonic which claimed to be of Sheba and Solomon?? So again people who study Africana and Ethiopia know full well of the Solomonic so why should Salasse claims of Half Semetic and Hamitic be a big deal.

Now the whole romantisizing with the British and Italians sounds a little pathetic but the African kingdom of the Kongo did this with the Portugese.

Again I still think Salasse was a Good African leader.

Yes, and this goes back to the same thing Awlaadberry keeps talking about. Does a single ancestor from ancient times affect a whole population in modern times? I'm of the opinion that it doesn't.

And also, if the quote was from him, the issue was (as seen in his treatment of Marvin Garvey) more than just seeing oneself as a part of a mixed heritage, but something I am all to familiar with: the tendency of certain east Africans to look down on other Africans, who they condescendingly call ''Bantus'', while going out of their way to say they are not Africans.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kalonji:
quote:
Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:
quote:
Originally posted by Kalonji:
Very interesting
Several points go against everything I held to be true about Halie Selassie. Will get to the bottom of this one of these days. This is exactly why I am all for having diverse people in the environment that have different thought patterns on whatever we hold to be true. We'll see in the near future how much truth there is to this and whether there is more.

I don't see this as evidence to change my attitude toward Hallie Sallase. I mean first off If he DID in fact claim Ethiopians to a mix of "Semite" and "Hamite" did he not come from a lineage the Solomonic which claimed to be of Sheba and Solomon?? So again people who study Africana and Ethiopia know full well of the Solomonic so why should Salasse claims of Half Semetic and Hamitic be a big deal.

Now the whole romantisizing with the British and Italians sounds a little pathetic but the African kingdom of the Kongo did this with the Portugese.

Again I still think Salasse was a Good African leader.

Yes, and this goes back to the same thing Awlaadberry keeps talking about. Does a single ancestor from ancient times affect a whole population in modern times? I'm of the opinion that it doesn't.

And also, if the quote was from him, the issue was (as seen in his treatment of Marvin Garvey) more than just seeing oneself as a part of a mixed heritage, but something I am all to familiar with: the tendency of certain east Africans to look down on other Africans, who they condescendingly call ''Bantus'', while going out of their way to say they are not Africans.

Why don't you ask the Eriterian bwoy to provide you with any speech, any writing, any authenticated interview, wherein His Imperial Majesty talked about Hamaitic, Semitic, and stuff like that.

It is easy to make up stuff and say you heard it from a best friend of your best friend. It is fraudulent to quote any hearsay sources when the subject himself has thousands of recorded works and words.

HIM made hundreds if not thousands of speeches and interviews in his time... Ask the Eriterian bwoy to select just one...just one....

If he cannot post one line from the thousands of Haile Selassie's speeches...then make your call
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

The Organization of African Unity now known as the African Union was established by Haile Selassie in 1963 in Addis Ababa!

Actually, the OAU was a joint effort of a number of African leaders and it had to be put to vote, so as to have the headquarters situated in the Ethiopian capital; Kwame Nkrumah was one of its chief conceiver.

quote:


The OAU was responsible for the complete political decolonization of Africa, economic development and social integration.

Grassroots civil unrest was key to speeding up European handover of "direct" rule to African bourgeois leaders, and many which predate the conception of the OAU.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

The Organization of African Unity now known as the African Union was established by Haile Selassie in 1963 in Addis Ababa!

Actually, the OAU was a joint effort of a number of African leaders and it had to be put to vote, so as to have the headquarters situated in the Ethiopian capital; Kwame Nkrumah was one of its chief conceiver.

quote:


The OAU was responsible for the complete political decolonization of Africa, economic development and social integration.

Grassroots civil unrest was key to speeding up European handover of "direct" rule to African bourgeois leaders, and many which predate the conception of the OAU.

Grass-roots efforts were important ofcourse but consider this:

Every liberation movement needed inspiration, material support, military training and logistics.

Before 1959, Ethiopia ruled by Haile Selassie was the only genuinely independent black state in the world. Genuine independence not to mean the type that Liberia had...

So who did you really think began formenting unrest through out Africa? Who fought for equality of man to man irrespective of colour? Who freed the Eritrean Woyanis from slavery since slavery was accepted in Ethiopia until the 1930s? Who abolished slavery in Ethiopia?

Whose independence was seen as a beacon light, an example of true black political integrity? Who defeated a fully equipped European army on African soil? Who is theLion of Judah?

Who was the inspiration for Kwame Nkrumah? Who was the inspiration for Mandela? Who provided advise and material support to Jomo Kenyatta? Who provided money for military training? You think it was the pink russians who would quickly have colonized Africa just as they did with eastern Europe.

The Americans and the British were busy containing the blacks people of the west to begin supporting the black people of Africa, whom they were colonizing in the first place. So who began the freedom movements? Who is the Lion of Judah?

Who was the symbol of black imperial regency in a world where niggers were considered less than cattle? Who demonstrated to the world by his patrimony that Solomon if ever he lived was a Black man? Who is the Lion of Judah?

The question you have to ask yourself is this? In a rabidly racist world of 19th century and early 20th century, why did the white bwoys consider Haile Selassie to be their superior? Recall they accepted his claim to Solomonic dynasty. Recall they acknowledged his imperial majesty, and treated HIM as more than their equal....

The question to discern is: who is this little black man, who without a modern army, without political clouth or wealth was able to keep the rapacious Europeans away from his country first and then ran them off the entire African continent? Can you walk with the Lions each morning? Who is the Lion of Judah?

Why did the pope bow to HIM? Why did the representative of the Royal House of England bow before HIM? Why of all the royalties of the world war II was Haile Selassie the only one to be provided exile in England by the royal house of England when he needed it?

Why did the 40 or so eminent African leaders who could not come to any unity amongst themselves suddenly unite and accepted Addis Ababa as their capital? Remember the Monrovia and the Casablanca allinaces? Well Haile Selassie stopped all that and taught the entire Africa to say "One Africa" and to also live that experience...

I lived it in Nigeria of 1968 to 1988 before leaving the blessed shores of Africa.

Long Live His Imperial Majesty I
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

Grass-roots efforts were important ofcourse but consider this:

Every liberation movement needed inspiration, material support, military training and logistics.

Yes, social unrest draws its inspiration from oppression of the people, and the taking away of their basic rights and freedom.

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Before 1959, Ethiopia ruled by Haile Selassie was the only genuinely independent black state in the world.

What do you mean by "geniune independence"? When did Ghana attain its token "independence" from colonial rule?

What was Ethiopia doing under Italian East African empire?
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Yes, social unrest draws its inspiration from oppression of the people, and the taking away of their basic rights and freedom.

Bob Marley and all true living Rases, the revolutionary voices of the common people in the 20th century and beyond teach us that Haile Selassie was also a great inspiration in the movement to liberate black people globally not just Africa.

Martin Luther King jr drew inspiration from corresponding with Haile Selassie in his moments of doubts and dejection...

J.A. Rogers the global teacher of black renaissance and history compared Haile Selassie with the Christ! I could go on and on but I think you will begin to see why I stated that HIM is still a living inspiration to millions of Black people all over the world.

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What do you mean by "geniune independence"? When did Ghana attain its token "independence" from colonial rule?
Ghana got its independence in 1957 or 1958. But you get the picture I was painting though since I do not want to nit pick. Ethiopia was the only independent African state, originally unconquered, ruled and established by black people, the Ethiopians...

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What was Ethiopia doing under Italian East African empire?
Ethiopia fought a war with Italy which lasted from 1935 to 1942. Parts of Ethiopia were occupied by Italian forces but were soon recovered as the Italians were chased out of the country by guerrilla and conventional warfare.

So what is your point? Did France become a colony of Germany as a result of its occupation for four years by the Nazis? Did Soviet Union become a colony of Germany because it was occupied?

Colonialism is not the same as a brief occupation durning periods of war.
 
Posted by Djehute (Member # 17581) on :
 
Instead of fighting each other, lets try to figure out the reason why Africans and Blacks in general always prefer outsiders' methods, than helping themselves. I'm not Black, but I feel sadly for my Black Sisters and Brothers, who are lost in dogmatic ideology.
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

quote:
Yes, social unrest draws its inspiration from oppression of the people, and the taking away of their basic rights and freedom.

Bob Marley and all true living Rases, the revolutionary voices of the common people in the 20th century and beyond teach us that Haile Selassie was also a great inspiration in the movement to liberate black people globally not just Africa.

Martin Luther King jr drew inspiration from corresponding with Haile Selassie in his moments of doubts and dejection...

J.A. Rogers the global teacher of black renaissance and history compared Haile Selassie with the Christ! I could go on and on but I think you will begin to see why I stated that HIM is still a living inspiration to millions of Black people all over the world.

Many commoners involved in social unrest across part of Africa had no idea who Haile Salessie was, let alone imagine that they fighting his cause or implementing his proposals. They were doing it out of human instinct of not wanting to be a slave for life and requesting back their basic rights and freedom. I realize that you are trying to overstate the importance of Haile Selassie, but let's try not allow facts get lost in the way.

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What do you mean by "geniune independence"? When did Ghana attain its token "independence" from colonial rule?
Ghana got its independence in 1957 or 1958. But you get the picture I was painting though since I do not want to nit pick. Ethiopia was the only independent African state, originally unconquered, ruled and established by black people, the Ethiopians...
Prior to 1959, as you put it, Ethiopia came under Italian occupation; how does that figure into your "geniune independence"?


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What was Ethiopia doing under Italian East African empire?
Ethiopia fought a war with Italy which lasted from 1935 to 1942. Parts of Ethiopia were occupied by Italian forces but were soon recovered as the Italians were chased out of the country by guerrilla and conventional warfare.

So what is your point?

The point is clear; how does territories of Ethiopia under Italian control amount to "geniune independence"?

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Did France become a colony of Germany as a result of its occupation for four years by the Nazis? Did Soviet Union become a colony of Germany because it was occupied?

You can sugarcoat it however you want, a military occupation of *any* country, amounts to colonization.


quote:
Originally posted by Djehute:

Instead of fighting each other, lets try to figure out the reason why Africans and Blacks in general always prefer outsiders' methods, than helping themselves.

What do you mean by this?
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Prior to 1959, as you put it, Ethiopia came under Italian occupation;
I said that Ghana got its Independence around 1959. I corrected it with the right date 1957. I also said that prior to 1957 (corrected date) Ethiopia was the only genuinely independent African country. In the sense of never having been conquered by an outside power in more thn 3,000 years of its recorded history. That should be clear enough to you by now...yeah..

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..a military occupation of *any* country, amounts to colonization.

That would be putting it rather simplistically.

Perhaps then Britain and America colonized Germany after the end of the world war 2 by your definition between 1945 to the present time...

Perhaps then Japan is still a colony of the United States since it is still being occupied pursuant to the world war 2..by your definition..

I believe you can even see how wrong you are to suppose that as a result of just 5 years of military occupation of parts of Ethiopia, following a war that it eventually won, that it became a colony of the Italians. That is absurd at best. I leave it at that...

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Many commoners involved in social unrest across part of Africa had no idea who Haile Salessie was, let alone imagine that they fighting his cause or implementing his proposals. They were doing it out of human instinct of not wanting to be a slave for life and requesting back their basic rights and freedom. I realize that you are trying to overstate the importance of Haile Selassie, but let's try not allow facts get lost in the way.

Again you over-simplify the process of political liberation. It is not a thing that just happens like a riot... No my friend, it takes a lot of political will, a lot of centralized planning, logistical co-ordination, military tactis, and then mass mobilization. It takes a leadership cardre to begin a liberation fight.. All the top African revolutionaries were the proteges of Haile Selassie. You hear me, all of them without exception...

Which was why they all deferred to his judgement, and sited the capital of their political/social and cultural unification in the very capital ruled by His Imperial Majesty. He was the boss, the star, others followed behind his leadership.

Again I name names, Kwame Nkrumah of Ghana, Sekou Toure of Guinea, Nnamdi Azikiwe of Nigeria, John Manley of Jamaica, Jomo Kenyatta of Kenya, Martin Luther King jr in the United States, George Padmore of Jamaica, and some many others I could not even name here... they all worship at the altar of Haile Selassie I. That is why they all followed the King of Kings to Ethiopia, to Addis Ababa to built a new capital for all of Africa...

But then again talking about commoners not knowing Selassie? My friend, you cannot get more "commoner" than Rasta people. I and I are the original ghetto people, the black survivors, there in the babylon shitsystem.

In Accra Ghana, in Lagos Nigeria, in Kingston Jamaica, in Brooklyns New York, even in London, true and untainted like Shedrac, Mishach and Abadnegro! Rasta people know Selassie as I and I saviour and liberator in flesh! We haile his majesty for our liberation and protection and we prosper.

Seen?
 
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 
Explorer,

quote:
quote:Originally posted by Djehute: Instead of fighting each other, lets try to figure out the reason why Africans and Blacks in general always prefer outsiders' methods, than helping themselves. What do you mean by this?
Please note that this character is not Djehuti..
 
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by Djehute:

Instead of fighting each other, lets try to figure out the reason why Africans and Blacks in general always prefer outsiders' methods, than helping themselves.

What do you mean by this?
Don't respond to this guy. He isn't the real Djehuti, just some imposter troll causing trouble.
 
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
 
It is true of Haile Salassie. I know enough Ethiopians and they said he didn't identify himself as black and African but as Ethiopian (Asian in origin). He separated himself and tribe from the black tribes of Ethiopia. He called the black Ethiopians his neighbors. It wasn't until his encounter with the West that he wanted unity and an African union. I guess his "Non-African" beliefs didn't avail or prevail amongst real white folks. Till this day Ethiopian tribes classify themselves as either Ethiopian (non-African) or Oromo or Tigray or something else. The funny thing is they all say they are Cushitic!
 
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kalonji:
but something I am all to familiar with: the tendency of certain east Africans to look down on other Africans, who they condescendingly call ''Bantus'', while going out of their way to say they are not Africans.

Why do you think they look down on other Africans just because they recognized them as Bantu. Why do you think they are being condescending when they call them Bantu. Can someone recognized differences in phenotype, languages, and culture and identify it for what it is without Bantu-looking blacks getting upset. Cushitics and Bantu and Nilotics know they are different from one another...in language, phenotype, and culture.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
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It is true of Haile Salassie. I know enough Ethiopians and they said he didn't identify himself as black and African but as Ethiopian (Asian in origin). He separated himself and tribe from the black tribes of Ethiopia. He called the black Ethiopians his neighbors.
Another a friend of a friend of mine told me urban mythology? Cite me one line out of the hundreds of thousands of lines written by Haile Selassie, in his speeches, in his books, in his interviews where he made such a claim? If you cannot cite a source other than a friend of a friend of yours, then just take your time and research the man for yourself.

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I guess his "Non-African" beliefs didn't avail or prevail amongst real white folks.
So-called white folks understood instinctively that Haile Selassie was their superior. That was why he was the most famous member of the League of Nation and the latter United Nations. The Euro elites just loved to have some of that Solomonic regality rub their pink backs. From the King of Denmark, to the Duke of Leichenstein, to the Queen of England, all bowed before the overwhelming awe of His Imperial Majesty...
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:

[QUOTE] I guess his "Non-African" beliefs didn't avail or prevail amongst real white folks.

So-called white folks understood instinctively that Haile Selassie was their superior. That was why he was the most famous member of the League of Nation and the latter United Nations. The Euro elites just loved to have some of that Solomonic regality rub their pink backs. From the King of Denmark, to the Duke of Leichenstein, to the Queen of England, all bowed before the overwhelming awe of His Imperial Majesty...
The Cover of Time Magazine of United States 1930. Haile Selassie, man of the year. A time when Black man was considered as lesser than a pink-white. yet this black man is hailed as King of Kings by the muth piece of the pink-whites:
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Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
 
Halie Salassie was respected as an 'Emperor' just as any other leader would be respected for their position and title. Doesn't mean they worship him but respected his position and title. The King of Jordan gets bow to, so does the leader of Japan while others get a firm hand shake.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Bettyboo:
Halie Salassie was respected as an 'Emperor' just as any other leader would be respected for their position and title. Doesn't mean they worship him but respected his position and title. The King of Jordan gets bow to, so does the leader of Japan while others get a firm hand shake.

The Empire of Haile Selassie came from Solomon. At least the Euro elites accepted that. The Solomonic throne is older than all the thrones of Europe put together. None of them claim such a pedigree nor such anciency. As such he was higher than all the Kings of the Earth, which is why he is addressed as King of Kings. Take a closer look at the Time Magazine below:

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Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:
Originally posted by Bettyboo:
Halie Salassie was respected as an 'Emperor' just as any other leader would be respected for their position and title. Doesn't mean they worship him but respected his position and title. The King of Jordan gets bow to, so does the leader of Japan while others get a firm hand shake.

The Empire of Haile Selassie came from Solomon. At least the Euro elites accepted that. In his time, Haile Selassie was the only King of Kings on Earth and no-one dare challenge him except the Pope through Mussolini, and he got crushed for doing that. The Catholic Church got exposed as a paedophile cult. Mussolini suffered a miltary defeat and was slain by his friends.

The Solomonic throne is older than all the thrones of Europe put together. None of them claim such a pedigree nor such anciency. As such he was higher than all the Kings of the Earth, which is why he is addressed as King of Kings. Take a closer look at the Time Magazine below:

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No-one ever denied that HIM is the King of Kings;
All the Royalties of the earth together,
and their academics and scientists,
all knew HIM, all heard HIM
all accepted that he was the King of Kings...

That man played with real Lions
He love children and animals
He was humble yet glorious.

Heaven and earth adored him
Black heart man them hailed HIM
What a mighty man that little man became!

Lawyers hail him
Doctors worship HIM
the baddest black men in the battle
all crawl like babies at his feet...

A Star appeared in our times
in the house of David;
It shone from the east
bringing joy to the Isles of the seas
just like the prophesies foretold...

Lion!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

I said that Ghana got its Independence around 1959. I corrected it with the right date 1957. I also said that prior to 1957 (corrected date) Ethiopia was the only genuinely independent African country. In the sense of never having been conquered by an outside power in more thn 3,000 years of its recorded history. That should be clear enough to you by now...yeah..

How can you say the country has "genuinely" been independent, when you acknowledged that it was part of Italy's East Africa colony? Is that not a contradiction. Was that not prior to 1959.

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..a military occupation of *any* country, amounts to colonization.

That would be putting it rather simplistically.
Thinking otherwise is what's simplistic.


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Perhaps then Britain and America colonized Germany after the end of the world war 2 by your definition between 1945 to the present time...

Indeed, they did. Or you have some special league wherein some countries loose their sovereignty and they are deemed "colonized" while others are not such?

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Perhaps then Japan is still a colony of the United States since it is still being occupied pursuant to the world war 2..by your definition..

Well, lets test "my definition": Did Japan loose its sovereignty? Was it militarily occupied? Let's see if your answers to these are "yes".

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I believe you can even see how wrong you are to suppose that as a result of just 5 years of military occupation of parts of Ethiopia, following a war that it eventually won, that it became a colony of the Italians.

Nope; I'd sure like to see how you demonstrate how Ethiopia, with its sovereignty lost to Italy, and its territory ceased thereof doesn't amount to colonization.


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Many commoners involved in social unrest across part of Africa had no idea who Haile Salessie was, let alone imagine that they fighting his cause or implementing his proposals. They were doing it out of human instinct of not wanting to be a slave for life and requesting back their basic rights and freedom. I realize that you are trying to overstate the importance of Haile Selassie, but let's try not allow facts get lost in the way.

Again you over-simplify the process of
political liberation.

Explain and prove to me that social unrest that was ignited by totalitarian colonial subjugation all over the African continent was because of Haile Selassie, and that it was not the natural response to totalitarian terror of colonialism? Demonstrate to me that the common African was too brainless to rebel and fight for his/her freedom until Haile Selassie directed them. We will soon learn who is into over-simplifying with fake history.

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It is not a thing that just happens like a riot...

That's exactly what happened across the continent. "Civil disobedience" and riots. You are clearly not someone who is familiar with Africa.


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Again I name names, Kwame Nkrumah of Ghana, Sekou Toure of Guinea, Nnamdi Azikiwe of Nigeria, John Manley of Jamaica, Jomo Kenyatta of Kenya, Martin Luther King jr in the United States, George Padmore of Jamaica, and some many others I could not even name here... they all worship at the altar of Haile Selassie I.

This is a figment of your imagination. And no, people didn't need these bourgeois figures no less, to oppose colonialism and subjugation; rather it was these figures who jumped onto the bandwagon of ongoing movements at the grassroots level to oppose colonial oppression, and thereof self-appointing themselves as the faces of those movements. Your analogy is akin to saying without MLK, black Americans would not and are not intellectually capable of opposing oppression; that's how "overly-simplistic" your world view is.

Ps: LOL, Brada and Truthcentric, I just caught the odd-spelling vis-a-vis Djehuti. Thanks for the alert. Boy, these new breed trolls are something.
 
Posted by Kalonji (Member # 17303) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:
Originally posted by Kalonji:
but something I am all to familiar with: the tendency of certain east Africans to look down on other Africans, who they condescendingly call ''Bantus'', while going out of their way to say they are not Africans.

Why do you think they look down on other Africans just because they recognized them as Bantu. Why do you think they are being condescending when they call them Bantu. Can someone recognized differences in phenotype, languages, and culture and identify it for what it is without Bantu-looking blacks getting upset. Cushitics and Bantu and Nilotics know they are different from one another...in language, phenotype, and culture.
You talk about differences in languages, phenotype etc. Then why do you co-sign a position, taken by various Somali and Ethiopians, that doesn't recognise African diversity?
In case you didn't comprehend my post, what I said I was familiar with, was that ''they'' (meaning whoever fits the bill) call Africans, meaning non cushitic speakers, bantu, not just certain Africans. And you need in your head that there are Bantu speakers that don't resemble what you would call ''bantu looking''. Bantu is a language.

Notify me when you want to get taken ''back to the basics'' again, because this is quite elementary.

[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by 85500 (Member # 17553) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Bettyboo:
It is true of Haile Salassie. I know enough Ethiopians and they said he didn't identify himself as black and African but as Ethiopian (Asian in origin). He separated himself and tribe from the black tribes of Ethiopia. He called the black Ethiopians his neighbors. It wasn't until his encounter with the West that he wanted unity and an African union. I guess his "Non-African" beliefs didn't avail or prevail amongst real white folks. Till this day Ethiopian tribes classify themselves as either Ethiopian (non-African) or Oromo or Tigray or something else. The funny thing is they all say they are Cushitic!

Actually, for the bold part, it was the need to attain Eritrea at all cost did Haile Selassie turned to black Africa.

"In essence, Ethiopia's turn to the Third World was a reflection of the problems experienced over both Eritrea and the Ogaden."


SOURCE: http://tinyurl.com/yhgzkm9


It was these average hard working Eritrean men and women who were robbed of their language, nation, lives, and jobs that these Eritrean men and women turned into malevolent lions against the 5 feet 0 inches tall Haile Selassie. The Arab World, including many African nations, were against Ethiopia's annexation over Eritrea. Many even predicted it would be Haile Selassie' biggest blunder but he ignored their warnings and ignited the longest war in modern African history (30 years).It was only after the Eritrean heat became unbearable that he turned to black Africa for support, despite the fact that he was a racist bigot, to which the great marcus Gravey even stated.


The Eritrean revolution

Before Halie Selassie annexed Eritrea
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After he annexed Eritrea
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Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
How can you say the country has "genuinely" been independent, when you acknowledged that it was part of Italy's East Africa colony? Is that not a contradiction. Was that not prior to 1959.
Ethiopia was never a part of Italy's Est Africa. I never at any time said such a thing and if you claim I did then cut and paste that statement.

Ethiopia was always free! Ethiopia has never been conquered in 3000 years of history. What part of that do you fail to understand?

quote:
Well, lets test "my definition": Did Japan loose its sovereignty? Was it militarily occupied? Let's see if your answers to these are "yes".

You are the first person I hear arguing that Japan and Germany are still colonies of the United States. You are special in that knowledge..perhaps you know things that we do not.

However, understand that Germany and Japan are no 2 and 3 of the world's biggest economies. Members of G7, NATO military alliance and so called western democracies. But then maybe you are right... lol

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Explain and prove to me that social unrest that was ignited by totalitarian colonial subjugation all over the African continent was because of Haile Selassie, and that it was not the natural response to totalitarian terror of colonialism? Demonstrate to me that the common African was too brainless to rebel and fight for his/her freedom until Haile Selassie directed them. We will soon learn who is into over-simplifying with fake history.
What social unrest are you referring to specifically? Which countries do you mean? Name them and I will provide you a free lecture on the process of political de-colonization that they went through... Make my day...

But just to provide you with an example of the global influence of Haile Selassie on black people all over the world, by 1935 the Jamaican colonial administration and the British government were scrambling to control the effects that Rastafari preachings were having on the masses... read the dates 1935

You cannot get more"commoner" than Rastafari! You cannot get any more African than a Rastaman! We have been preaching Haile Selassie to the commoners in Africa since 1930s...

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That's exactly what happened across the continent. "Civil disobedience" and riots. You are clearly not someone who is familiar with Africa.
Bwoy, you must be very young... how old are you? Tell me which country in Africa was liberated by riots...lol this is really getting to absurdity. I will leave it there..

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This is a figment of your imagination. And no, people didn't need these bourgeois figures no less, to oppose colonialism and subjugation; rather it was these figures who jumped onto the bandwagon of ongoing movements at the grassroots level to oppose colonial oppression, and thereof self-appointing themselves as the faces of those movements. Your analogy is akin to saying without MLK, black Americans would not and are not intellectually capable of opposing oppression; that's how "overly-simplistic" your world view is.

By condemning the Gods of modern Africa as bourgeois figures, it confirms to the world that you are indeed very young.

You are have not yet visited Africa or you must have left it very early. I had a thriving law practice in Nigeria before I left its shores. We made history in Africa as part of the movement of decolonization. I speak about what I lived not what I read on the internet.

Go to any well established University and study the theory and history of political de-colonization of Africa. You will understand that it took centralized planning to free African countries.

With that Explorer, I will leave to do your research and come to your own conclusions if you really seek truth. If you just wanna show off some verbal arguments skills then go try some other poster...but not IronLion!

Peace out!
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:

[QUOTE]Actually, for the bold part, it was the need to attain Eritrea at all cost did Haile Selassie turned to black Africa.

"In essence, Ethiopia's turn to the Third World was a reflection of the problems experienced over both Eritrea and the Ogaden."


SOURCE: http://tinyurl.com/yhgzkm9

True Menelik lost Eriteria to the Italians in the 19th century as a result of war of aggression by Italians, but that made Eriteria just a stolen part of Ethiopia's territory. In Eriteria, the Italians began a delibrate policy of interbreeding and settlement with the Eriterians and soon declared Eriteria to be a part of Italy. Traitors and half-bred back stabbers were reared to distabilize the rest of Africa in Eriteria.

So that when the Ethiopians were fighting against the Italians in 1935 - 1942, the Eriterians were collaborating with the Italians against their fellow Ethiopians. They had become brain-washed Italian half breeds.

Given all the Italian wars against Ityopya, why would HIM allow a colony of half-bred Italian-Ethiopian Trigriniyan Turks to run around unchecked in a decolonizing Africa disturbing peace and progress?

Is that not the very role Eriteria is currently playing by distabilizing the entire East Africa by stirring up the conflict in Somalia? Is that not why Barack Obama's government has included your Italo-Eriteria on the list of terrorist sponsoring countries? Can your half mad thin arse President Afrwki travel out of his ghetto in Eriteria without being arrested for gross violation of human rights?

How has Eriteria's independence contributed to Africa's progress?
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Folks

Ask the little Eriterian half-breed rebel hero this question:

How much fight did the Eriterians put up against their Italian colonizers? :

None! No rebellion! No war of independence! Eriterians were wimps and pussies for the Italians.

How much fight did they put up against their Ethiopian blood cousins? Weelllll....???

I went to the site provided by the Eriterian bwoy and this is what I found when I perused through the book written by his tin-god Spencer:

P213 "Ethiopia at Bay" by John H. Spencer:

Italy determined that to win over the Muslim states it would be best to propose independence for all of Eriteria and Libya and to reserve for itself the trustship of Somaliland...

To promote independence Italy provided funds to what was to become known as the independence bloc....

Page 218

The United States had opposed an Ethiopian trusteeship over Eriteria because it feared that Ethiopia's sympathy for colonized people would upset the balance in the Trusteeship Council. Ethiopia held those positins to be antiquated in a post-war world dedicated to reforms .....

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Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

Ethiopia was never a part of Italy's Est Africa.

You must be a very young kid to be totally ignorant of a well-documented event such as this.

quote:

I never at any time said such a thing and if you claim I did then cut and paste that statement.

Here's your sleight of hand acknowledgement:

Parts of Ethiopia were occupied by Italian forces but were soon recovered as the Italians were chased out of the country by guerrilla and conventional warfare. - IronLion


quote:

Ethiopia was always free! Ethiopia has never been conquered in 3000 years of history.

Then how did Ethiopia come under Italy's East Africa colony from 1936-1941?

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What part of that do you fail to understand?

The part that shows that it is based on substantiated material, other than rastafarian fairy tales.


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Well, lets test "my definition": Did Japan loose its sovereignty? Was it militarily occupied? Let's see if your answers to these are "yes".

You are the first person I hear arguing that Japan and Germany are still colonies of the United States.
Okay? And the answers to the questions are...?


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However, understand that Germany and Japan are no 2 and 3 of the world's biggest economies. Members of G7, NATO military alliance and so called western democracies. But then maybe you are right... lol

Of course I'm right, and you know it; your refraining from answering simple questions above is proof enough of this.

And get out of here with the economic BS. It doesn't change the fact that Japan lost its sovereignty and was militarily occupied. That is synonymous with colonial occupation. Your dogma is surfacing; you perceive Africans as "primitives", while the Japanese and Germans as "civilized" which is why you have different standards for how you name a situation under which people loose their national sovereignty and their territory under foreign control. To you, "primitives" are "colonized" and "civilized rich countries" are "occupied", and yet, you will swear you are not brainwashed by the 'white man'.

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Explain and prove to me that social unrest that was ignited by totalitarian colonial subjugation all over the African continent was because of Haile Selassie, and that it was not the natural response to totalitarian terror of colonialism? Demonstrate to me that the common African was too brainless to rebel and fight for his/her freedom until Haile Selassie directed them. We will soon learn who is into over-simplifying with fake history.
What social unrest are you referring to specifically? Which countries do you mean? Name them and I will provide you a free lecture on the process of political de-colonization that they went through... Make my day...
So, you are hereby reaffirming my observation that you are in fact totally ignorant of what Africa is. Fine. Be that as it may, read pages 138 through to 146 in the following link, to get an idea of just the few examples mentioned therein and tell me what Haile Selassie's role is in all that:

http://books.google.com/books?id=c65btrV4P24C&pg=PA143&lpg=PA143&dq#v=onepage&q=&f=false

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That's exactly what happened across the continent. "Civil disobedience" and riots. You are clearly not someone who is familiar with Africa.
Bwoy, you must be very young... how old are you?
Apparently older than you are. Anyone who denies Africa's history of social struggles has got to be no older than 5 yrs old.

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Tell me which country in Africa was liberated by riots...lol this is really getting to absurdity. I will leave it there..

Virtually all African countries were liberated by social unrest. Do you still want to know what social unrest is; do you need the list of African countries or even what Africa's shape looks like as well?


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This is a figment of your imagination. And no, people didn't need these bourgeois figures no less, to oppose colonialism and subjugation; rather it was these figures who jumped onto the bandwagon of ongoing movements at the grassroots level to oppose colonial oppression, and thereof self-appointing themselves as the faces of those movements. Your analogy is akin to saying without MLK, black Americans would not and are not intellectually capable of opposing oppression; that's how "overly-simplistic" your world view is.

By condemning the Gods of modern Africa as bourgeois figures, it confirms to the world that you are indeed very young.
This post confirms that you are not bright. You look at the state of many African "independent" nations several years after independence, and yet still come to the conclusion that African ruling layers are genuine faces of the social interests of the commoner. Splendid.

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You are have not yet visited Africa or you must have left it very early.

Kid, you are creative with fairy tales; I'll give you that much.
 
Posted by DhulAlQarnain (Member # 17584) on :
 
Menelek II
King of Kings of Abyssinia
(1844 - 1913)
Proclaimed to be a descendant of the legendary Queen of Sheba and King Solomon, Menelek was the overshadowing figure of his time in Africa. He converted a group of independent kingdoms into the strong, stable empire known as the United States of Abyssinia (Ethiopia).
His feat of pulling together several kingdoms which often fiercely opposed each other earned him a place as one of the great statesmen of African history. His further accomplishments in dealing on the international scene with the world powers, coupled with his stunning victory over Italy in the 1896 Battle of Adwa, an attempt to invade his country, placed him among the great leaders of world history and maintained his country's independence until 1935.

Makeda
Queen of Sheba
(960 B.C.)
She gave the king 120 talents of gold, and of spices very great store and precious stones; there came no more abundance of spices as these which the Queen of Sheba gave to King Solomon."
(kings, 10:10)
The Biblical passage refers to the gifts Makeda presented King Solomon of Israel on her famed journey to visit the Judean monarch. But Makeda’s gift to Solomon extended beyond material objects; She also gave him a son, Menelek. The boy’s remarkable resemblance to his grandfather prompted Solomon to re-christen Menelek. Solomon later re-named his son after his own father, the legendary King David.

Nzingha
Amazon Queen of Matamba, West Africa
(1582 - 1663)
Many women ranked among the great rulers of Africa including this Angolan queen who was an astute diplomat and excelled as military leader. When the slave-hunting Portuguese attacked the army of her brother’s kingdom, Nzingha was sent to negotiate the peace. She did so with astonishing skill and political tact, despite the fact that her brother had her brother had her child killed. She later formed her own army against the Portuguese, and waged war for nearly thirty years. These battles saw a unique moment in colonial history as Nazingha allied her nation with the Dutch, making the first African European alliance against a European oppressor.
Nzingha continued to wield considerable influence among her subjects despite being forced into exile. Because of her quest for freedom and relentless drive to bring peace to her people, Nzingha remains a glimmering symbol of inspiration.

Idris Alooma
Sultan of Bornu
(1580 - 1617)
For two centuries before Idris Alooma become Mai (Sultan) of Bornu, Kanem was a separate land whose people had been driven out by their nomadic cousins, the Bulala. It took one of Africa’s most extraordinary rulers to reunite the two kingdoms.
Idris Alooma was a devout Moslem. He replaced tribal law with Moslem law, and early in his reign, he made a pilgrimage to Mecca. But the trip had as much military as religious significance, for he returned with Turkish firearms and later commanded an incredibly strong army. They marched swiftly and attacked suddenly, crushing hostile tribes in annual campaigns. Finally Idris conquered the Bulala, establishing dominion over the Kanem-Bornu empire and a peace lasting half a century.

Shamba Bolongongo
Africa King of Peace
(1600 - 1620)
Hailed as one the greatest monarchs of the Congo, King Shamba had no greater desire than to preserve the peace, which is reflected in a common quote of his: "Kill neither man, woman nor child. Are they not the children of Chembe (God), and have they not the right to live?" He often had his subjects travel to distant villages wearing their wood-bladed knife of state, which was recognized as their sole means of weaponry.
Shamba was also noted for promoting arts and crafts, and for designing a complex and extremely democratic form of government featuring a system of checks and balances. The government was divides into sectors including military, judicial, and administrative branches and represented all Bushongo people.

Taharqa
King of Nubia
(710 - 664 B.C.)
At the age of sixteen, this great Nubian King led his armies against the invading Assyrians in defence of his ally, Israel. This action earned him a place in the Bible (Isaias 37:9, 2 Kings 19:9).
During his 25-years reign, Taharqa controlled the largest empire in ancient Africa. His power was equaled only by the Assyrians. These two forces were in constant conflict, but despite the continuous warfare, Taharqa was able to initiate a building program throughout his empire which was overwhelming in scope. The numbers and majesty of his building projects were legendary, with the greatest being the temple at Gebel Barkal in the Sudan. The temple was caved from the living rock and decorated with images of Taharqa over 100 feet high.

Tenkamenin
King of Ghana
(1037 - 1075 A.D.)
The country of Ghana reached the height of its greatness during the reign of Tenkamenin. Through his careful management of the gold trade across the Sahara desert into West Africa, Tenkamenin’s empire flourished economically. But his greatest strength was in government. Each day he would ride out on horseback and listen to the problems and concerns of his people. He insisted that no one be denied an audience and that they be allowed to remain in his presence until satisfied that justice had been done.
His principles of democratic monarchy and religious tolerance make Tenkamenin’s reign one of the great models of African rule.

Hannibal
Ruler of Carthage
(247 - 183 B.C.)
Regarded as one of the greatest generals of all times, Hannibal and his overpowering African armies conquered major portions of Spain and Italy and came close to defeating the mighty Roman Empire.
Born in the North Africa country of Carthage, Hannibal became general of the army at age twenty-five. His audacious moves-such as marching his army with African war elephants through the treacherous Alps to surprise and conquer Northern Italy-and his tactical genius, as illustrated by the battle of Cannae where his seemingly trapped army cleverly surrounded and destroyed a much larger Roman force, won him recognition which has spanned more than 2000 years

Hatshepsut
The Ablest Queen of Far Antiquity
(1503 - 1482 B.C.)
Hatshepsut rose to power after her father Thothmes I was stricken with paralysis. He appointed Hatshepsut as his chief aide and heiress to the throne. While several male rivals sought to oust power, Hatshepsut withstood their challenges to remain leader of what was then the world's leading nation.
To help enhance her popularity with the people of Egypt, Hatshepsut had a number of spectacular temples and pyramids erected. Some of the towering structures still stand today as a reminder of the first true female ruler of a civilized nation. She was indeed the "The Ablest Queen of Far Antiquity" and remained so for thirty-three years.

Sunni Ali Ber
King of Songhay
(1464 - 1492)
When Sunni Ali Ber came to power, Songhay was a small kingdom in the western Sudan. But during his twenty-eight-year reign, it grew into the largest, most powerful empire in West Africa.
Sunni Ali Ber built a remarkable army and with this ferocious force, the warrior king won battle after battle. He routed marauding nomads, seized trade routes, took villages, and expanded his domain. He captured Timbuktu, bringing into the Songhay empire a major center of commerce culture, and Moslem scholarship.

Ja Ja
King of the Opobo
(1464 - 1492)
Jubo Jubogha, the son of an unknown member of the Ibo people, was forced into slavery at age 12, but gained his freedom while still young and proposed as an independent trader (knows as Ja Ja by the Europeans). He become chief of his people and the head of his Eastern Nigerian City State of Bonny. He later established and become king of his own territory, Opobo, an area near the Eastern Nigeria River more favorable for trading.
As years passed, European governments, mainly British, attempted to gain control of Nigerian trade. Ja Ja's fierce resistance to any outside influence led to his exile at age 70 to the West Indies by the British. The greatest Ibo chief of the nineteenth century never saw his kingdom again.

Khama
The Good King of Bechuanaland
(1819 - 1923)
Khama distinguished his reign by being highly regarded as a peace-loving ruler with the desire and ability to extract technological innovations from Europeans while resisting their attempts to colonize his country. Such advancements included the building of schools, scientific cattle feeding, and the introduction of a mounted police corps, which practically eliminated all forms of crime.
Respect for Khama was exemplified during a visit with Queen Victoria of England to protest English settlement in Bechuanaland in 1875. The English honored Khama and confirmed his appeal for continued freedom for Bechuanaland.

Mansa Kankan Mussa
King of Mali
(1306 - 1332)
A flamboyant leader and world figure, Mansa Mussa distinguished himself as a man who did everything on a grand scale. An accomplished businessman, he managed vast resources to benefit his entire kingdom. He was also a scholar, and imported noteworthy artists to heighten the culture awareness of his people.
In 1324 he led his people on the Hadj, a holy pilgrimage from Timbuktu to Mecca. He caravan consisted of 72,000 people whom he led safely across the Sahara Desert and back, a total distance of 6,496 miles. So spectacular was this event, that Mansa Mussa gained the respect of scholars and traders throughout Europe, and won international prestige for Mali as one of the world's largest and wealthiest empire.

Tiye
The Nubian Queen of Egypt
(ca. 1415 - 1340 B.C.)
Now it came to pass that, in the 14th century B.C., a wise and beautiful woman from Nubia so captured the heart of the pharaoh, she changed the course of history.
Amenhotep III, the young Egyptian ruler, was so taken by Tiye's beauty, intellect, and will, he defied his nation's priests and custom by proclaiming this Nubian commoner his great Royal Spouse. He publicly expressed his love for his beautiful black queen in many ways, making her a celebrated and wealthy person in her own right. He took her counsel in matters political and military much to heart and later declared that, as he had treated her in life, so should she be depicted in death…as his equal.

Thutmose III
Pharaoh of Egypt
(1504 - 1450 B.C.)
Thutmose III was a member of one of the greatest families in the history of African royalty, a family, which laid the basis for the 18th Dynasty of ancient Egypt. But it was his family which also was the source of his greatest frustration, as he always believed he should have come to power before his sister, Hatshepsut, and was angry over this for most of his life. Ironically, though, it was the assignments she gave him, which not only helped in his rise to power, but also helped him learn and understand the responsibilities of his royal position.
Thutmose III eventually overcome his anger to become on of the most important Pharaohs in Egyptian history, a man who will be remembered as a great warrior who strengthened the sovereignty of Egypt and extended its influence into Western Asia.

Osei Tutu
King of Asante
(1680 - 1717)
Osei Tutu was the founder and first king of the Asante nation, a great West African forest kingdom in what is now Ghana. He was able to convince a half dozen suspicious chiefs to join their states under his leadership when, according to legend, the Golden Stool descended from heaven and came to rest on Osei Tutu's knees, signifying his choice by the gods. The Golden Stool become a sacred symbol of the nation's soul, which was especially appropriate since gold was the prime source of Asante wealth.
During Osei Tutu's reign, the geographic area of Asante tripled in size. The kingdom becomes a significant power that, with his military and political prowess as an example, would endure for two centuries.

Samory Toure
The Black Napoleon of the Sudan
(1830 - 1900)
The ascendance of Samory Toure began when his native Bissandugu was attacked and his mother taken captive. After a persuasive appeal, Samory was allowed to take her place, but later escaped and joined the army of King Bitike Souane of Torona. Following a quick rise through the ranks of Bitike's army. Samory returned to Bissandugu where he was soon installed as king and defied French expansionism in Africa by launching a conquest to unify West Africa into a single state.
During the eighteen-year conflict with France, Samory continually frustrated the Europeans with his military strategy and tactics. This astute military prowess prompted some of France's greatest commanders to entitle the African monarch, "The Black Napoleon of the Sudan".

Shaka
King of the Zulus
(1818 - 1828)
A strong leader and military innovator, Shaka is noted for revolutionizing 19th century Bantu warfare by first grouping regiments by age, and training his men to use standardized weapons and special tactics. He developed the "assegai", a short stabbing spear, and marched his regiments in tight formation, using large shields to fend off the enemies throwing spears. Over the years, Shaka's troops earned such a reputation that many enemies would flee at the sight of them.
With cunning and confidence as his tools, Shaka built a small Zulu tribe into a powerful nation of more than one million people, and united all tribes in South Africa against Colonial rule.

Moshoeshoe
King of Basutoland
(1518 - 1868)
For half a century, the Basotho people were ruled by the founder of their nation. Moshoeshoe was a wise and just king who was as brilliant in diplomacy as he was in battle. He united many diverse groups, uprooted by war, into a stable society where law and order prevailed and the people could raise their crops and cattle in peace. He knew that peace made prosperity possible, and he often avoided conflict through skillful negotiations.
Hoshoeshoe solidified Basotho defenses at Thaba Bosiu, their impregnable mountain capital. From this stronghold he engineered a number of major victories over superior forces.

Nandi
Queen of Zululand
(1778 - 1826 A.D.)
The year was 1786. The king of Zululand was overjoyed. His wife, Nandi, had given birth to a son, his first son, whom they named Shaka. But the King's other wives, jealous and bitter, pressured him to banish Nandi and the young boy into exile. Steadfast and proud, she raised her son with the kind of training and guidance a royal heir should have. For her many scarifies, Nandi was finally rewarded when her son, Shaka, later returned to become the greatest of all Zulu Kings.
To this day, the Zulu people use her name, "Nandi", to refer to a woman of high esteem.

Nefertari
Nubian Queen of Egypt
(1292 - 1225 B.C.)
One of many great Nubian queens, Nefertari is heralded as the queen who wed for peace. Her marriage to King Rameses II of Egypt, one of the last greatest Egyptian Pharaohs, began strictly as a political move, a sharing of power between two leaders. Not only did it grow into one of the greatest royal love affairs in history, but brought the hundred years war between Nubia and Egypt to an end. It was an armistice, which lasted over a hundred years.
Even today, a monument stands in Queen Nefertar's honor. In fact, the temple, which Rameses built for her at Abu Simbel, is one of the largest and most beautiful structures ever built to honor a wife, and to celebrate peace.


Nehanda of Zimbabwe
Born into a religious family, Nehanda displayed remarkable leadership and organizational skills, and at a young age becomes one of Zimbabwe's two most influential religious leaders.
When English settlers invaded Zimbabwe in 1896 and began confiscating land and cattle, Nehanda and other leaders declared war. At first they achieved great success, but as supplies ran short, so did battlefield victories. Nehanda was eventually captured, found guilty and executed for ordering the killing of a notoriously cruel Native Commander. Though dead for nearly a hundred years, Nehanda remains what she was when alive - the single most important person in the modern history of Zimbabwe, and is still referred to as Mbuya (Grandmother) Nehanda by Zimbabwean patriots.

Cleopatra VII
Queen of Egypt
(69 - 30 B.C.)
The most famous of seven matriarchs to bear this name, Cleopatra rose to the throne at seventeen. The young queen is often erroneously portrayed as Caucasian, however, she was of both Greek and African descent. By mastering many different languages and several African dialects, she becomes instrumental in reaching beyond the border of Egypt.
Striving to evaluate Egypt to world supremacy, Cleopatra enlisted the military services of two great Roman leaders. She persuaded Julius Caesar and, later, Mark Antony to renounce their Roman allegiances to fight on behalf of Egypt. Each, however, met his death before Cleaopatra's dreams of conquest were realized. Disheartened, Cleopatra pressed an asp to her breast, ending the life of the world's most celebrated African queen.
 
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
 
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Originally posted by IronLion:
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Originally posted by Bettyboo:
Halie Salassie was respected as an 'Emperor' just as any other leader would be respected for their position and title. Doesn't mean they worship him but respected his position and title. The King of Jordan gets bow to, so does the leader of Japan while others get a firm hand shake.

The Empire of Haile Selassie came from Solomon. At least the Euro elites accepted that. The Solomonic throne is older than all the thrones of Europe put together. None of them claim such a pedigree nor such anciency. As such he was higher than all the Kings of the Earth, which is why he is addressed as King of Kings. Take a closer look at the Time Magazine below:

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I've seen the Time magazine and I get what you are saying. In other words he was a respected leader because of his ancestry and origins. Too bad Europeans didn't accept him as "nonblack" or "non-African" even with his supposedly "Semetic" ancestry. His (non-African)ancestry couldn't even convinced the Europeans. Too bad Christ is the Kings of kings.
 
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
 
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Originally posted by Kalonji:
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Originally posted by Bettyboo:
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Originally posted by Kalonji:
but something I am all to familiar with: the tendency of certain east Africans to look down on other Africans, who they condescendingly call ''Bantus'', while going out of their way to say they are not Africans.

Why do you think they look down on other Africans just because they recognized them as Bantu. Why do you think they are being condescending when they call them Bantu. Can someone recognized differences in phenotype, languages, and culture and identify it for what it is without Bantu-looking blacks getting upset. Cushitics and Bantu and Nilotics know they are different from one another...in language, phenotype, and culture.
You talk about differences in languages, phenotype etc. Then why do you co-sign a position, taken by various Somali and Ethiopians, that doesn't recognise African diversity?
In case you didn't comprehend my post, what I said I was familiar with, was that ''they'' (meaning whoever fits the bill) call Africans, meaning non cushitic speakers, bantu, not just certain Africans. And you need in your head that there are Bantu speakers that don't resemble what you would call ''bantu looking''. Bantu is a language.

Notify me when you want to get taken ''back to the basics'' again, because this is quite elementary.

[Roll Eyes]

Just like every other bantu-looking black you are sensitive thinking everyone is attacking your ugly Bantu features. There is nothing wrong with identifying your group from other groups when the differences are obvious. People of Cushitic origin (similar phenotype, language, culture) will call themselves CUSHITIC. Other Africans, which are mainly Bantu, will get called Bantu because in most cases they all look the same, share similar music, dress, food etc... if not, they are still different than Cushitic groups. There is nothing wrong with that. I even hear other Africans call themselves Bantu or identify their tribe and say it's Bantu. There is nothing wrong with that. Why are you viewing 'Bantu' negatively and 'Cushitic' positively? You are the one with the problem. Bantu is more than a language; it's also a culture. Not ALL Bantus look alike just the majorty or most of them do. There is nothing wrong with separating Cushitic language groups/people from that of Bantu language groups/people. Just because ALL bantus don't look alike they still don't look Cushitic. So it is nothing wrong with a Cushitic person separating his family group from that of the rest of Africa.
 
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
 
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Originally posted by 85500:
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Originally posted by Bettyboo:
It is true of Haile Salassie. I know enough Ethiopians and they said he didn't identify himself as black and African but as Ethiopian (Asian in origin). He separated himself and tribe from the black tribes of Ethiopia. He called the black Ethiopians his neighbors. It wasn't until his encounter with the West that he wanted unity and an African union. I guess his "Non-African" beliefs didn't avail or prevail amongst real white folks. Till this day Ethiopian tribes classify themselves as either Ethiopian (non-African) or Oromo or Tigray or something else. The funny thing is they all say they are Cushitic!

Actually, for the bold part, it was the need to attain Eritrea at all cost did Haile Selassie turned to black Africa.

"In essence, Ethiopia's turn to the Third World was a reflection of the problems experienced over both Eritrea and the Ogaden."


SOURCE: http://tinyurl.com/yhgzkm9


It was these average hard working Eritrean men and women who were robbed of their language, nation, lives, and jobs that these Eritrean men and women turned into malevolent lions against the 5 feet 0 inches tall Haile Selassie. The Arab World, including many African nations, were against Ethiopia's annexation over Eritrea. Many even predicted it would be Haile Selassie' biggest blunder but he ignored their warnings and ignited the longest war in modern African history (30 years).It was only after the Eritrean heat became unbearable that he turned to black Africa for support, despite the fact that he was a racist bigot, to which the great marcus Gravey even stated.


The Eritrean revolution

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Today Eritrea is occupied by those same Ethiopians (non-African)that Halie Selassie supposedly descend from. Majority of Eritrea population is now a mixture of Ethiopian (non-African) groups and black groups of Ethiopia (Africa). And the vast majority of them speak Tigray.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Bettyboo:
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Originally posted by IronLion:
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Originally posted by Bettyboo:
Halie Salassie was respected as an 'Emperor' just as any other leader would be respected for their position and title. Doesn't mean they worship him but respected his position and title. The King of Jordan gets bow to, so does the leader of Japan while others get a firm hand shake.

The Empire of Haile Selassie came from Solomon. At least the Euro elites accepted that. The Solomonic throne is older than all the thrones of Europe put together. None of them claim such a pedigree nor such anciency. As such he was higher than all the Kings of the Earth, which is why he is addressed as King of Kings. Take a closer look at the Time Magazine below:

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I've seen the Time magazine and I get what you are saying. In other words he was a respected leader because of his ancestry and origins. Too bad Europeans didn't accept him as "nonblack" or "non-African" even with his supposedly "Semetic" ancestry. His (non-African)ancestry couldn't even convinced the Europeans. Too bad Christ is the Kings of kings.
Bettyboo, to be Ethiopian means to be a "black man". To be the Emperor of Ethiopia means the King of Black men...do you get that? What part of the etymology of the word Ethiopia do you not understand?

Haile Selassie is the King of Kings that the whole world saw and acknowledged. Take a look at the Time Magazine again.

Christ was the son of a capenter not a Prince, nor a King talkless of the King of Kings! We are dealing with politics here..real life politics. Read your Bible with understanding...
 
Posted by Kalonji (Member # 17303) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Cracky-boo:
Just like every other bantu-looking black you are sensitive thinking everyone is attacking your non-attractive features.

LOL,
WTF is this idiot talking about. Who is talking about ''pretty features''?

If we have to talk about prettyness, i'm willing to bet my left kidney on it that you are the most ugly, dumb, attention deprived person of everyone here on this forum, and you know it. Even IF you are pretty looking, I still wouldn't give a damn because you are obviously dumber than a rock.
Every man who has been with a pretty women before knows that appearance aint sh** if she talks out the side of her neck. You can't even comprehend my post and stay on-topic.

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Originally posted by Cracky-boo:
There is nothing wrong with identifying your group from other groups when the differences are obvious.

You need to re-read my statement again you dumb rock. Nowhere did I say it was wrong for them to identify with their own.

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Originally posted by Cracky-boo:
People of Cushitic origin (similar phenotype, language, culture) will call themselves CUSHITIC.

NOOOO, you are SERIOUS! [Eek!]

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Originally posted by Cracky-boo:
Other Africans, which are mainly Bantu,

A typical statement we can expect from a dumb rock like you.

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Originally posted by Cracky-boo:
will get called Bantu because in most cases they all look the same, share similar music, dress, food etc... if not, they are still different than Cushitic groups.

You dumb rock, how is this relevant to my original statement? Why are you refuting imaginary positions?

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Originally posted by Cracky-boo:
There is nothing wrong with that. I even hear other Africans call themselves Bantu or identify their tribe and say it's Bantu. There is nothing wrong with that.

WTF are you talking about? You are one psychotic individual. Tell you what.

This post is going to end here, you are seriously one stupid psychotic tramp. You and Hammer should hook up.
 
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
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Originally posted by Bettyboo:
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Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:
Originally posted by Bettyboo:
Halie Salassie was respected as an 'Emperor' just as any other leader would be respected for their position and title. Doesn't mean they worship him but respected his position and title. The King of Jordan gets bow to, so does the leader of Japan while others get a firm hand shake.

The Empire of Haile Selassie came from Solomon. At least the Euro elites accepted that. The Solomonic throne is older than all the thrones of Europe put together. None of them claim such a pedigree nor such anciency. As such he was higher than all the Kings of the Earth, which is why he is addressed as King of Kings. Take a closer look at the Time Magazine below:

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I've seen the Time magazine and I get what you are saying. In other words he was a respected leader because of his ancestry and origins. Too bad Europeans didn't accept him as "nonblack" or "non-African" even with his supposedly "Semetic" ancestry. His (non-African)ancestry couldn't even convinced the Europeans. Too bad Christ is the Kings of kings.
Bettyboo, to be Ethiopian means to be a "black man". To be the Emperor of Ethiopia means the King of Black men...do you get that? What part of the etymology of the word Ethiopia do you not understand?

Haile Selassie is the King of Kings that the whole world saw and acknowledged. Take a look at the Time Magazine again.

Christ was the son of a capenter not a Prince, nor a King talkless of the King of Kings! We are dealing with politics here..real life politics. Read your Bible with understanding...

I don't know what you are talking about. To be Ethiopian is to be a son (generation/descendant) of Cush. Of course, Cush was black. Christ is the Kings of kings.
 
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
 
Kalonji shut up and stop sweating Cushitic people. Be proud of the differences of African ethnic families. If people of Ethiopian or Somali or any other Cushitic group chooses to identify other blacks as Bantu then they can do that. They are just acknowledging the difference in culture, looks, and language. It's nothing wrong with that.
 
Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
 
Hey Bettyboo, do we need to have Bob_01 comeback and psychoanalyze you again?


Your feelings were so hurt that you changed your username. LOOOOL!


Bob_01, ohhhhh Bob_01.


Bettyboo is peeing on itself.


ha ha ha heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
 
Posted by 85500 (Member # 17553) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Bettyboo:
Today Eritrea is occupied by those same Ethiopians (non-African)that Halie Selassie supposedly descend from. Majority of Eritrea population is now a mixture of Ethiopian (non-African) groups and black groups of Ethiopia (Africa). And the vast majority of them speak Tigray.

What the hell are you talking about? There are no Ethiopians in Eritrea. There are only Eritreans. What the hell is a black Ethiopian vs a non-African Ethiopian? Are you serious?

BTW: There isn't a language called Tigray. The vast majority of Eritreans (85% of them) speak either the Semitic languages of Tigre or Tigrinya; both Eritrean languages.


Haile Selassie is 100% Ethiopian who's of Oromo origin. He was just a racist bigot who hated black Africans and black Americans because he suffered from an inferority complex. That's why Marcus Gravey disowned him towards his final years. Haile Selassie was a coward who robbed his pan-handling country of millions. His biggest mistake was to f'uck with Eritreans and as a result, he was killed and buried under a toilet.


Bettyboo, what's your national origin? There's no way you can be from the horn of Africa.
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ LMAO [Big Grin]

85500, you can ignore Bettybloop. She (or he) is nothing more than a silly black-hating bigoted troll no different from Haile Selassie, that is if he/she is even black.

Interesting discussion by the way, on the political history of the Horn, especially in international relations. It's funny to hear how some white racist trolls say that Africa never matter historically, yet one can just look back in the last century to see all these European nations scrambling to claim or control Africa and her resources. [Embarrassed]
 
Posted by 85500 (Member # 17553) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ LMAO [Big Grin]

85500, you can ignore Bettybloop. She (or he) is nothing more than a silly black-hating bigoted troll no different from Haile Selassie, that is if he/she is even black.

Interesting discussion by the way, on the political history of the Horn, especially in international relations. It's funny to hear how some white racist trolls say that Africa never matter historically, yet one can just look back in the last century to see all these European nations scrambling to claim or control Africa and her resources. [Embarrassed]

Thanks for the heads up bro!

Btw, there isn't any interesting debate going on here. It's just a few rastafarian trolls worshiping a black hating man. What's odd about these rastafarian trolls is that they regard Marcus Gravey as their prophet, yet it's clear that their prophet hated Halie Selassie towards his final years of life. He even published an entire chapter in his book that talks about Halie Selassie being a phony bogus man who hated all blacks. Now I know why rastafarians smoke so much weed, you have to be high as kite to believe in their once upon a time stories of a hated midget.
 
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:
quote:
Originally posted by Bettyboo:
Today Eritrea is occupied by those same Ethiopians (non-African)that Halie Selassie supposedly descend from. Majority of Eritrea population is now a mixture of Ethiopian (non-African) groups and black groups of Ethiopia (Africa). And the vast majority of them speak Tigray.

What the hell are you talking about? There are no Ethiopians in Eritrea. There are only Eritreans. What the hell is a black Ethiopian vs a non-African Ethiopian? Are you serious?

BTW: There isn't a language called Tigray. The vast majority of Eritreans (85% of them) speak either the Semitic languages of Tigre or Tigrinya; both Eritrean languages.


Haile Selassie is 100% Ethiopian who's of Oromo origin. He was just a racist bigot who hated black Africans and black Americans because he suffered from an inferority complex. That's why Marcus Gravey disowned him towards his final years. Haile Selassie was a coward who robbed his pan-handling country of millions. His biggest mistake was to f'uck with Eritreans and as a result, he was killed and buried under a toilet.


Bettyboo, what's your national origin? There's no way you can be from the horn of Africa.

You have it all confused. Eritrea is now occupied by vast majority of Tigray people. They DO NOT considered themselves of African origin but of Ethiopian (Asian) origin. Halie Selassie was not of Oromo origin. He considered the Oromos black African and himself Ethiopian (Asian). I see that you are unaware of ethnic conflict. People of Oromo, Afar, and other black African groups don't consider themselves 'Ethiopian' because they affiliate Ethiopian with being Asiatic. If you call an Oromo Ethiopia he probably will correct you and say he is OROMO and the Ethiopians come from Asia (Middle East). Tigre is the same as "Tigray" you fvcking idiot. People of Eritrea don't consider themselves the same as the black groups in Ethiopia and they will tell you they have different origins.
 
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
 
why are people insulting HIM(Selassie)?

Show some respect to the Man.

What did he do that makes people think he suffered from Self-Hatred? did anyone read Iron's post about Selassie?

Peace
 
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by KING:
why are people insulting HIM(Selassie)?

Show some respect to the Man.

What did he do that makes people think he suffered from Self-Hatred? did anyone read Iron's post about Selassie?

Peace

Hey, I think everyone thinks Halie Selassie was a black man from the country "Ethiopia." Halie Selassie considered and identified himself as Ethiopian (Asian) and descent of the original Hebrews. Halie Selassie ethnic group was Ahmara not Oromo and he elevated the Ahmara people above the Oromo, Afar, and other black ethnic groups of 'Africa.' The Tigray people do the same thing. They will tell you that their origins is the Middle East, the border areas of Yemen.
 
Posted by astenb (Member # 14524) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:
quote:
Originally posted by Bettyboo:
Today Eritrea is occupied by those same Ethiopians (non-African)that Halie Selassie supposedly descend from. Majority of Eritrea population is now a mixture of Ethiopian (non-African) groups and black groups of Ethiopia (Africa). And the vast majority of them speak Tigray.

What the hell are you talking about? There are no Ethiopians in Eritrea. There are only Eritreans. What the hell is a black Ethiopian vs a non-African Ethiopian? Are you serious?

BTW: There isn't a language called Tigray. The vast majority of Eritreans (85% of them) speak either the Semitic languages of Tigre or Tigrinya; both Eritrean languages.


Haile Selassie is 100% Ethiopian who's of Oromo origin. He was just a racist bigot who hated black Africans and black Americans because he suffered from an inferority complex. That's why Marcus Gravey disowned him towards his final years. Haile Selassie was a coward who robbed his pan-handling country of millions. His biggest mistake was to f'uck with Eritreans and as a result, he was killed and buried under a toilet.


Bettyboo, what's your national origin? There's no way you can be from the horn of Africa.

You have it all confused. Eritrea is now occupied by vast majority of Tigray people. They DO NOT considered themselves of African origin but of Ethiopian (Asian) origin. Halie Selassie was not of Oromo origin. He considered the Oromos black African and himself Ethiopian (Asian). I see that you are unaware of ethnic conflict. People of Oromo, Afar, and other black African groups don't consider themselves 'Ethiopian' because they affiliate Ethiopian with being Asiatic. If you call an Oromo Ethiopia he probably will correct you and say he is OROMO and the Ethiopians come from Asia (Middle East). Tigre is the same as "Tigray" you fvcking idiot. People of Eritrea don't consider themselves the same as the black groups in Ethiopia and they will tell you they have different origins.
quote:
Tigre is the same as "Tigray" you fvcking idiot
You don know more about Eritrea than 85500. You might as well stop while you are behind.
 
Posted by 85500 (Member # 17553) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Bettyboo:

have it all confused. Eritrea is now occupied by vast majority of Tigray people. They DO NOT considered themselves of African origin but of Ethiopian (Asian) origin. Halie Selassie was not of Oromo origin. He considered the Oromos black African and himself Ethiopian (Asian). I see that you are unaware of ethnic conflict. People of Oromo, Afar, and other black African groups don't consider themselves 'Ethiopian' because they affiliate Ethiopian with being Asiatic. If you call an Oromo Ethiopia he probably will correct you and say he is OROMO and the Ethiopians come from Asia (Middle East). Tigre is the same as "Tigray" you fvcking idiot. People of Eritrea don't consider themselves the same as the black groups in Ethiopia and they will tell you they have different origins.

You have to be the dumbest cesspool of nimwits I've ever encountered. You're not even rational with your arguments, you're just trolling your way into saying a lie till it feels right. Mind you i'm Eritrean, and a grad-student, so how the hell can you try to tell me who my people are? Is this a joke or what?


Listen here you white troll. Haile Selassie was an Oromo. The language Haile Selassie spoke was closer to the Oromos than any Eritrean language. Something like 88% of Amharic is of Cushitic origins.

There is no "Tigray" in Eritrea. There are Biher-Tigrinya and Tigre people. Tigray is a region inside Ethiopia. The people who live in the Tigray region call themselves Tigrayans.

No one in the horn of Africa, with the exception of Rashaida and Adeni Eritreans are of Arab origin. Amharas are kin with Oromos. There's really no difference between them.

Learn to know what the hell you're talking about. You and Iornkitten should date one another. I wish being stupid was painful.
 
Posted by 85500 (Member # 17553) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by astenb:
You don know more about Eritrea than 85500. You might as well stop while you are behind.

Jamaican bob-sled team reject, how does it feel that your 5 feet 0 inches tall black hating racist bigot master was defeated by Eritreans? How does it feel that this racist bigot was killed with a fluffy pillow and buried under Menguistu Hali-mariam's toilet?

How does it feel that your prophet Marcus Gravey called him a white man wannabe? How does it feel to know that Haile Selassie was an Oromo of African origins with no connection to the middle east?
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:
quote:
Originally posted by astenb:
You don know more about Eritrea than 85500. You might as well stop while you are behind.

Jamaican bob-sled team reject, how does it feel that your 5 feet 0 inches tall black hating racist bigot master was defeated by Eritreans? How does it feel that this racist bigot was killed with a fluffy pillow and buried under Menguistu Hali-mariam's toilet?

How does it feel that your prophet Marcus Gravey called him a white man wannabe? How does it feel to know that Haile Selassie was an Oromo of African origins with no connection to the middle east?

And how many Italians did you Eriterians kill during the wars of liberation? How many??? How many Italians did you defeat as proud rebelling Eriterians?
 
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
 
Now before I state what I am going to say, Let me say that Ethiopia and Eritrea should not be fighting against each other. These two countries will forever be linked because they are basically the same people. It really is sad that these countries people are still at each others throats after all these years, You would think that they would know that they are playing right into the hands of the elite and there divide and conquer tactics.

Now from what I have read about Eritrea They were colonized by Italy in the 1900's. They did not fight for liberation from Italy, but they were ready to fight Ethiopia. Could the reason be that they were "Okay" with being colonized by Europeans but were fighting mad about Ethiopia colonizing them. Is it safe to say that self Hatred fueled their 30 year war against Ethiopia. I say this not to pick a fight or make people angry, but the TRUTH needs to be understood. This also may play into why "Some" Eritreans think they are not linked with other Africans.

Peace
 
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:
quote:
Originally posted by Bettyboo:

have it all confused. Eritrea is now occupied by vast majority of Tigray people. They DO NOT considered themselves of African origin but of Ethiopian (Asian) origin. Halie Selassie was not of Oromo origin. He considered the Oromos black African and himself Ethiopian (Asian). I see that you are unaware of ethnic conflict. People of Oromo, Afar, and other black African groups don't consider themselves 'Ethiopian' because they affiliate Ethiopian with being Asiatic. If you call an Oromo Ethiopia he probably will correct you and say he is OROMO and the Ethiopians come from Asia (Middle East). Tigre is the same as "Tigray" you fvcking idiot. People of Eritrea don't consider themselves the same as the black groups in Ethiopia and they will tell you they have different origins.

You have to be the dumbest cesspool of nimwits I've ever encountered. You're not even rational with your arguments, you're just trolling your way into saying a lie till it feels right. Mind you i'm Eritrean, and a grad-student, so how the hell can you try to tell me who my people are? Is this a joke or what?


Listen here you white troll. Haile Selassie was an Oromo. The language Haile Selassie spoke was closer to the Oromos than any Eritrean language. Something like 88% of Amharic is of Cushitic origins.

There is no "Tigray" in Eritrea. There are Biher-Tigrinya and Tigre people. Tigray is a region inside Ethiopia. The people who live in the Tigray region call themselves Tigrayans.

No one in the horn of Africa, with the exception of Rashaida and Adeni Eritreans are of Arab origin. Amharas are kin with Oromos. There's really no difference between them.

Learn to know what the hell you're talking about. You and Iornkitten should date one another. I wish being stupid was painful.

You need to learn what the fvck you are talking about. Halie Selassie was not OROMO you fvcking idiot. He considered himself a descendant of the original Hebrew nation and his language was Ahmara. He considered the black people of 'Ethiopia' African and his neighbors. He considered himself "Ethiopian" (Asian). The people of Eritrea identify themselves as a different people than the other black groups of Ethiopia (Oromo, Afar, etc...). They claim their origins are from the Middle East, the Yemen border. Who the fvck said they are Arabs. Having origins in Yemen doesn't necessarily makes someone 'Arab.' Yemen wasn't even populated by "Arabs" in old age. Amharas doesn't considered their self to be kin with Oromos and Oromos doesn't considered their self to be kin with Amharas. Oromos call the Amharas "Ethiopian" and they call themselves Oromo. Amhara call themselves "Ethiopian" and call the Oromos 'Oromo' or black African.
 
Posted by astenb (Member # 14524) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:
quote:
Originally posted by astenb:
You don know more about Eritrea than 85500. You might as well stop while you are behind.

Jamaican bob-sled team reject, how does it feel that your 5 feet 0 inches tall black hating racist bigot master was defeated by Eritreans? How does it feel that this racist bigot was killed with a fluffy pillow and buried under Menguistu Hali-mariam's toilet?

How does it feel that your prophet Marcus Gravey called him a white man wannabe? How does it feel to know that Haile Selassie was an Oromo of African origins with no connection to the middle east?

Huh what? I think you need to go back and read what betty wrote, see what i quoted, and read my reply. Reading and comprehension FTW.

Its all good though.
 
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:
It's well known Hitler assisted Ethiopia during Ethiopia's war with Italy in 1935. But this wasn't because Hitler was 'fond' of Ethiopia, it was purely political and in some cases, financial.

"The Italo-Ethiopian war made possible the Italy-German rapprochement because Hitler did not apply sanctions against Italy and made it available to Italy certain boycotted products, such as coal, allowing Mussolini to challenge the international community and with the war.However, in spite of the fact that Germany had adopted a neutral policy, Hitler secretly authorized a 3 billion mark credit to Ethiopia to buy arms.."

SOURCE http://tinyurl.com/ygu2nfg


"Germany became aware that its re-armament was worrying the European continent, and that it would become a target. When Pierre Laval signed the treaty with Italy, Germany became increasingly aware of the resistance presented by many European powers. In an internal document, a German representative in Ethiopia discussed with Emperor Haile Selassie the supply of modern arms and material for chemical warfare. If the Germans’ offer of arms was favorable, Ethiopia was to send a representative to Berlin to discuss the situation.10 Germany later said internally that it and Ethiopia had the same interests, and that a conflict with Italy over the Austrian question would be inevitable.11 Germany was aware that Mussolini, along with Britain and France, did not favor his involvement with Austria. Hitler felt that the only way to be able to take over Austria was to arm the Ethiopians as much as possible so that they would offer the greatest resistance toward the Italians. With the Italians distracted, Hitler would go into Austria. Hitler kept this plan secret, because he was aware of the complicated European political situation.12
German firms saw an interest in Ethiopia like the Italians did, but not for the same reasons. Companies such as Rheinmetall and Krupp Steel were aware that Ethiopia desperately needed supplies, and they could provide them.13 They helped supply the weapons to Ethiopia that were agreed to by Selassie and Hitler. The fact that Ethiopia was on the verge of entering war meant that they need to buy as many supplies as possible to prepare. German firms were prepared to offer Ethiopians what they needed in order to profit. Italy also saw an economic interest in Ethiopia because Mussolini was aware that Ethiopia had a large amount of natural resources, and Italy could improve its struggling economy. With an already struggling economy, Italy was desperate to look for solutions for this problem, and Ethiopia became a possible solution.

Emperor Haile Selassie would of course try and take the offer made by the Germans, and Ethiopia would receive some weapons from German firms.14 Emperor Selassie knew that Italy was a large military power, and it needed to arm immediately. Both Germany and Ethiopia felt they would win through this arms deal. With Mussolini sending troops into British Somaliland to prepare for the imminent invasion, Ethiopia had to speed up the process of the deal.15 Germany began to play a large role in the imminent war by causing panic in Europe while making deals with Ethiopia to stop Italy from conquest.
When the main invasion began in October of 1935, German officials discussed the situation. Communications showed that Germany wished to remain a “non-participant,” and with Italy diverted away from Europe and the League of Nations weakened, Germany focused on the Austrian question.16 It watched the Italian conflict, but Emperor Haile Selassie was aware that he was outnumbered, and Germany felt that Italy would likely succeed. Germany now knew that this was the time to take advantage of the European political situation, and it hoped that the Italo-Abyssinian conflict would continue for a long period of time so that it could begin its expansion plans.
"

SOURCE: http://tinyurl.com/ylcdh9u


I'll respond to the other stuff when I have more time. Peace for now and let your sources do the talking.

There was even some theories that Ethiopians were a type of Aryan. One thing that lives in infamy is the fact that there were Ethiopian Nazis.

Believe it or not!

No other European country came to the aide of Ethiopia. They all refused to back a Black country against a White - this was specifically there statement. Only Hitler helped Ethiopia.

My point is that Race Cults are not based on anything rationale. Remember, Hitler himself was most likely part Jewish.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by osirion:
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:
It's well known Hitler assisted Ethiopia during Ethiopia's war with Italy in 1935. But this wasn't because Hitler was 'fond' of Ethiopia, it was purely political and in some cases, financial.

"The Italo-Ethiopian war made possible the Italy-German rapprochement because Hitler did not apply sanctions against Italy and made it available to Italy certain boycotted products, such as coal, allowing Mussolini to challenge the international community and with the war.However, in spite of the fact that Germany had adopted a neutral policy, Hitler secretly authorized a 3 billion mark credit to Ethiopia to buy arms.."

SOURCE http://tinyurl.com/ygu2nfg


"Germany became aware that its re-armament was worrying the European continent, and that it would become a target. When Pierre Laval signed the treaty with Italy, Germany became increasingly aware of the resistance presented by many European powers. In an internal document, a German representative in Ethiopia discussed with Emperor Haile Selassie the supply of modern arms and material for chemical warfare. If the Germans’ offer of arms was favorable, Ethiopia was to send a representative to Berlin to discuss the situation.10 Germany later said internally that it and Ethiopia had the same interests, and that a conflict with Italy over the Austrian question would be inevitable.11 Germany was aware that Mussolini, along with Britain and France, did not favor his involvement with Austria. Hitler felt that the only way to be able to take over Austria was to arm the Ethiopians as much as possible so that they would offer the greatest resistance toward the Italians. With the Italians distracted, Hitler would go into Austria. Hitler kept this plan secret, because he was aware of the complicated European political situation.12
German firms saw an interest in Ethiopia like the Italians did, but not for the same reasons. Companies such as Rheinmetall and Krupp Steel were aware that Ethiopia desperately needed supplies, and they could provide them.13 They helped supply the weapons to Ethiopia that were agreed to by Selassie and Hitler. The fact that Ethiopia was on the verge of entering war meant that they need to buy as many supplies as possible to prepare. German firms were prepared to offer Ethiopians what they needed in order to profit. Italy also saw an economic interest in Ethiopia because Mussolini was aware that Ethiopia had a large amount of natural resources, and Italy could improve its struggling economy. With an already struggling economy, Italy was desperate to look for solutions for this problem, and Ethiopia became a possible solution.

Emperor Haile Selassie would of course try and take the offer made by the Germans, and Ethiopia would receive some weapons from German firms.14 Emperor Selassie knew that Italy was a large military power, and it needed to arm immediately. Both Germany and Ethiopia felt they would win through this arms deal. With Mussolini sending troops into British Somaliland to prepare for the imminent invasion, Ethiopia had to speed up the process of the deal.15 Germany began to play a large role in the imminent war by causing panic in Europe while making deals with Ethiopia to stop Italy from conquest.
When the main invasion began in October of 1935, German officials discussed the situation. Communications showed that Germany wished to remain a “non-participant,” and with Italy diverted away from Europe and the League of Nations weakened, Germany focused on the Austrian question.16 It watched the Italian conflict, but Emperor Haile Selassie was aware that he was outnumbered, and Germany felt that Italy would likely succeed. Germany now knew that this was the time to take advantage of the European political situation, and it hoped that the Italo-Abyssinian conflict would continue for a long period of time so that it could begin its expansion plans.
"

SOURCE: http://tinyurl.com/ylcdh9u


I'll respond to the other stuff when I have more time. Peace for now and let your sources do the talking.

There was even some theories that Ethiopians were a type of Aryan. One thing that lives in infamy is the fact that there were Ethiopian Nazis.

Believe it or not!

No other European country came to the aide of Ethiopia. They all refused to back a Black country against a White - this was specifically there statement. Only Hitler helped Ethiopia.

My point is that Race Cults are not based on anything rationale. Remember, Hitler himself was most likely part Jewish.

Arrant nonsense! Italy and Germany were members of the Axis power together with Japan on one side. They were supported by many European country, and (even the Arab mutif of Jerusalem) and preached an extreme form of racism.

How then would KKK German Hitler love the Ethiopians (Black men and women) so much more than his Aryan brothers of Italy that he would even arm them to kill Italians. Arrant nonsense.

It was the Eriterians, colonized in mind and body that provided aid and support to the invading Italians. Many Eriterians were regulars and porters for the Italian army, and when Italy was defeated and expelled from Ethiopia, most of the defeated soldiers straggled back to Eriteria to lick their wounds, and breed more bastards to make trouble for Africa another day!
 
Posted by 85500 (Member # 17553) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by astenb:

Huh what? I think you need to go back and read what betty wrote, see what i quoted, and read my reply. Reading and comprehension FTW.

Its all good though. [/QB]

my sincerest apologies to you bro. I had mistaken you for someone else. I had confused you for one of the rastafarian trolls.
 
Posted by 85500 (Member # 17553) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by KING:
Now before I state what I am going to say, Let me say that Ethiopia and Eritrea should not be fighting against each other.

Ethiopia is addicted to three things: Wars, fictional history (they even claim they were the Ethiopians who ruled ancient Kemet, in addition to their King Solomon and queen of sheba fairytale) and western/eastern aid. 97% of Ethiopia's government budget comes from aid aka hand outs.

Eritreans just want to be left alone. We're proud of our African roots. We don't claim we come from a fake king that never existed called solomon. Nor are there 250,000 of our citizens who left our country for Israel, claiming they are a lost jewish tribe, when in reality, they are just Cushitic agaw Ethiopians who have no connection to the middle east as DNA has proven.


quote:
Originally posted by KING:
These two countries will forever be linked because they are basically the same people. It really is sad that these countries people are still at each others throats after all these years, You would think that they would know that they are playing right into the hands of the elite and there divide and conquer tactics.

There are 13 ethnic groups in Eritrea and 82 ethnic groups in Ethiopia. Eritreans are as different from one another as they are to Ethiopians.

What similarities do you see with these Rashaida-Eritreans with Amhara/Oromo Ethiopians?


To read more about how these people below came to Eritrea, read this: http://www.madote.com/2010/02/eritrea-rashaida-people.html

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quote:
Originally posted by KING:
Now from what I have read about Eritrea They were colonized by Italy in the 1900's.

If you read the links I've provided, you'd know Eritrea was colonized by Italy from 1880-1941. While was an Italian protectorate between 1889 and 1896. Then later, Ethiopia lost its 40s years of independence when Italians conquered it and colonized it from 1936 to 1941. In just 6 years, Italians built more infustructure in Ethiopia then both Haile Selassie and Menelik combined. Till this day, the majority of the paved roads in Ethiopia were Italian built from that period.


quote:
Originally posted by KING:
They did not fight for liberation from Italy, but they were ready to fight Ethiopia. Could the reason be that they were "Okay" with being colonized by Europeans but were fighting mad about Ethiopia colonizing them.

Eritreans did fight Italians but guess what, It was the Ethiopians who assisted the Italians in helping them quell the Eritrean uprising. But don't take my word for it, here are sources.

During this time, a few Eritrean chiefs did welcome the Italian occupation. The bitter wars with Tigray warlords who were armed and supplied by the British, and the savagery shown by Alula during his brief occupation of the Eritrean highlands was enough evidence for them to welcome the lessor of two evils. In addition to that, an epic famine of biblical proportion was going on. However, there were other leaders who demanded complete independence of Medri Bahri/Eritrea and to end the infant Italian occupation. Some of those Medri Bahri leaders was Lij Beyene and Bahta Hagos. They started a small uprising in the Eritrean highlands from Italian rule. Bahta Hagos and Lij Beyene had limited amount of weapons, so they put their bitter differences aside with the Tigrayan-Ethiopians and asked the Tigrayan leader of Alula and Yohannes' son of Mengesha for weapons and ammunition to sustain the uprising in Eritrea. However, instead of giving them some of their British supplied weapons, they used them as political tool to make a last ditch effort to win the hearts of the Italians. They incarcerated the Eritrean rebels and sent them to the Italians, hoping to be rewarded for their loyalty to Italy.


" the anti-Italian Lij Beyene for a meeting (Mr Hagai spelled it as Bayyana) and treacherously imprisoned him in the hope of getting a favor from General Baratieri who was then visiting Seraye at that time. Word got out to the castle of Ras Mengesha who was then in Mekele, and not to be outdone by Alula's contact to Baratieri, Mengesha and Ras Hagos came running to Adwa. Upon their arrival, Mengesha ordered Alula to hand over Lij Beyene to the Italians. Alula fearing that the Italians will give credit to Mengesha and not him, he refused the hand over. In response to Alula's refusal, Mengesha sent Ras Hagos with an armed escort to Alula's camp, where they took custody of the rebel and delivered him to the Italians."

See, Ethiopia and Eritrea During the Scramble for Africa By Ḥagai Erlikh, Page 180
SOURCE: http://tinyurl.com/q7nhbo


After the Eritrean rebel leaders were captured, thanks to their loyal Ethiopian puppets, they were able to control Eritrea. Mind you, the Italians had superior weapons and the Eritrean people were not unified. In addition to that, Eritrea's population at the time was only 300,000 and the Italians sent in 35,000 men with modern weapons.
 
Posted by 85500 (Member # 17553) on :
 
Part 2 ---this forum isn't allowing me to post my original post into one post, so i've decided to split it into two sections.

quote:
Originally posted by KING:
Is it safe to say that self Hatred fueled their 30 year war against Ethiopia. I say this not to pick a fight or make people angry, but the TRUTH needs to be understood. This also may play into why "Some" Eritreans think they are not linked with other Africans.

It's safe to say Eritreans defeating Haile Selassie was an African triumph. It's also safe to say that you don't know what you're talking about.

Let me remind you who these Ethiopian leaders were. They worshiped the white man like no other uncle toms. Here are some quotes to remind you.

After allowing British troops to defeat the so-called emperor Tewodros, they rewarded Yohannes with training and modern weapons. So much is talked about the battle of adwa, but just 10 years before it, Abyssinia was crushed and defeated by the British and the one to allow this was the next so called leader named Yohannes, who worked hand in glove in the defeat of his county (not really a country, but various regions were one warlord defeats others and calls himself the descendant of solomon and dumb foreigners use Portugese terms of "abyssinia" for it, despite that area having different kingdoms who speak different languages).


Through out most of his reign, Yohannes stayed in close contact with the British. He wrote many letters to British leaders and often regarded the British has his 'protectors'.

"I have now another mother and another protector among the European kings and people: Only believe England as my country: if my country is fair in the religion and love of our Lord Jesus Christ we are one and near. I cannot believe that your Majesty shall separate me from your children."

SOURCE: http://tinyurl.com/yj3krxy


Although Menelik is regarded as fighting colonialism by Ethiopian scholars and others alike, it was Menelik himself who worked alongside with Italians colonialist, going as far as stating that he himself felt "half Italian" and wished no greater desire then to visiting Italy. Menelik told then Italian representative to Abyssinia, Count Antonelli:

"that he loved Italy so much that he felt 'half Italian and no greater wish that to go there and see it'

Source: http://tinyurl.com/yfe7f7c


Menelik himself viewed the Italians as close allies and at times, his protectors. In a letter written to the then Italian King Umberto, Menelik begged the King of Italy to protect him from his enemies; namely Yohannes, and he reassured the Italian king that his region was theirs to share with.

"I beg Your Majesty to defend me against every one as I don't know what European kings will say about this let others know that this region is ours."

Souce: http://tinyurl.com/ygbkf7y


Just like the Tigrayan leaders of Alula and Mengesha, Menelik of showa had begged the Italians to occupy Medri-Bahri (Eritrean highlands) as well, despite the fact that he had no control over that region.


"Via Antonelli's courier, Menelik informed the King of Italy that he would like the Italian soldiers to occupy Asmara, in order to discourage the imperial pretensions of Mengesha Yohannes (the son of Emperor Yohannes)." "There after," added Menelik, "God will give me the throne that for many years I have had the right to have."

Source: http://tinyurl.com/ylkbywh


Then who can forget both Menelik and Selassie stating they were not Africans? Is there anything more than self-hate than what menelik and Selassie stated and did?

'I am not a Negro at all; I am a Caucasian' the Emperor Menelik told the West Indian pan-Africanist Benito Sylvian who had come to Addis Ababa to solicit the Emperor's leadership in a society for the 'Amelioration of the Negro race.' Haile Sellassie confirmed that view in a declaration to Chief H. O. Davis, a well known Nigerian nationalist, stating that the Ethiopians did not regard themselves as Africans, but as 'a mixed Hamito-Semitic people


SOUCE: http://tinyurl.com/ykzml4h


How can you justify this? Poor Marcus Gravey came to talk with Selassie and he snubbed the black nationalist Marcus Gravey because he was black.

When Haile Selassie fled to London, Gravey tried to contact him but was snubbed, and it was reported that "the emperor did not desire any contact with 'Negroes.'"

Sourece: http://tinyurl.com/yzabdxz


If that wasn't bad enough, when the Italians started the war with Selassie, this coward tried to sell Ethiopia to Italy for money and offered to be a vessel leader in the areas that he didn't sell, namely showa, where his Oromo self comes from. What a joke, this is the leader you call dignified? The Eritreans say, the fastest track star to ever live was Halie Selassie--he ran so fast to England when the Italians came in 1935 that some scholars argue his sprint record will never be broken...But lets get back to sources, read:


In his desperate act to hold power, Haile Selassie now made a secret peace overture to Mussolini, sending a former Ethiopian Minister in Rome to contact the Italian consul in Djibouti. He offered to sell a large part of Ethiopia to Italy for one and half milliard Lira and to appoint six Italian advisors to direct the policy of his government. Mussolini sent sourteous reply to the intermediary, expressing his pleasure that the Negus had at last decided to negotiate directly with him; but he said the offer was unacceptable."

SOURCE: http://tinyurl.com/yfjsukm
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Lastly here's marcus Gravey describing Halie Selassie in his final years. Mind you, this quote was written after Haile Sealssie fled for England and had refused to speak to him because he was black. If the great Marcus Gravey aka the Pophet of Rastafarians is telling you Haile Selassie was a black hating racist bigot who was a coward, then why on earth would you sit here trying to defend him? Read the great Marcus Gravey describing your track star hero selassie:

"Mussolini of Italy has conquered Haile Selassie of Abyssinia, but he has not conquered the Abyssinians nor Abyssinia. The Emperor of Abyssinia allowed himself to be conquered, by playing white, by trusting to white advisers and by relying white Governments, including the white League of Nations.We can remember in 1920 inviting the Government of Abyssinia to send representatives to the International Convention of the Negro Peoples of the world in common with other Negro Conventions, the Abyssinian Government returned the communication unopened. Its policy then, as during the Italo-Abyssinian war, was no doubt to rely completely on the advice and friendship of white people. They ignored Negro relationship[s] from without and throttled Negro aspirations from within. The result was that they dragged along without any racial policy, except that of the ruling classes, believing themselves white and better than the rest, with a right to suppress the darker elements which make up the tremendous population."

SOURCE: http://tinyurl.com/yl9xm4e


If you want to read more quotes of Ethiopian leaders worshiping whites or working with colonalist, I suggest you read up on this article that's sourced from head to toe: http://www.madote.com/2010/03/were-ethiopian-leaders-colonialist.html


That's Self-hate. In addition to all that you just read, Ethiopia is the only country in Africa where over 250,000 of their citizen were moved to white European infested Israel based on fictional history that DNA has proven is fake. Despite this, the Israeli government knowing the Ethiopian Faslsha had no genetic links with them, they still excepted them not out of good will but because they want to use these self-hating Africans as canoon fodders for their wars with the Arabs. Now that's self hate!
 
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:
Originally posted by osirion:
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:
It's well known Hitler assisted Ethiopia during Ethiopia's war with Italy in 1935. But this wasn't because Hitler was 'fond' of Ethiopia, it was purely political and in some cases, financial.

"The Italo-Ethiopian war made possible the Italy-German rapprochement because Hitler did not apply sanctions against Italy and made it available to Italy certain boycotted products, such as coal, allowing Mussolini to challenge the international community and with the war.However, in spite of the fact that Germany had adopted a neutral policy, Hitler secretly authorized a 3 billion mark credit to Ethiopia to buy arms.."

SOURCE http://tinyurl.com/ygu2nfg


"Germany became aware that its re-armament was worrying the European continent, and that it would become a target. When Pierre Laval signed the treaty with Italy, Germany became increasingly aware of the resistance presented by many European powers. In an internal document, a German representative in Ethiopia discussed with Emperor Haile Selassie the supply of modern arms and material for chemical warfare. If the Germans’ offer of arms was favorable, Ethiopia was to send a representative to Berlin to discuss the situation.10 Germany later said internally that it and Ethiopia had the same interests, and that a conflict with Italy over the Austrian question would be inevitable.11 Germany was aware that Mussolini, along with Britain and France, did not favor his involvement with Austria. Hitler felt that the only way to be able to take over Austria was to arm the Ethiopians as much as possible so that they would offer the greatest resistance toward the Italians. With the Italians distracted, Hitler would go into Austria. Hitler kept this plan secret, because he was aware of the complicated European political situation.12
German firms saw an interest in Ethiopia like the Italians did, but not for the same reasons. Companies such as Rheinmetall and Krupp Steel were aware that Ethiopia desperately needed supplies, and they could provide them.13 They helped supply the weapons to Ethiopia that were agreed to by Selassie and Hitler. The fact that Ethiopia was on the verge of entering war meant that they need to buy as many supplies as possible to prepare. German firms were prepared to offer Ethiopians what they needed in order to profit. Italy also saw an economic interest in Ethiopia because Mussolini was aware that Ethiopia had a large amount of natural resources, and Italy could improve its struggling economy. With an already struggling economy, Italy was desperate to look for solutions for this problem, and Ethiopia became a possible solution.

Emperor Haile Selassie would of course try and take the offer made by the Germans, and Ethiopia would receive some weapons from German firms.14 Emperor Selassie knew that Italy was a large military power, and it needed to arm immediately. Both Germany and Ethiopia felt they would win through this arms deal. With Mussolini sending troops into British Somaliland to prepare for the imminent invasion, Ethiopia had to speed up the process of the deal.15 Germany began to play a large role in the imminent war by causing panic in Europe while making deals with Ethiopia to stop Italy from conquest.
When the main invasion began in October of 1935, German officials discussed the situation. Communications showed that Germany wished to remain a “non-participant,” and with Italy diverted away from Europe and the League of Nations weakened, Germany focused on the Austrian question.16 It watched the Italian conflict, but Emperor Haile Selassie was aware that he was outnumbered, and Germany felt that Italy would likely succeed. Germany now knew that this was the time to take advantage of the European political situation, and it hoped that the Italo-Abyssinian conflict would continue for a long period of time so that it could begin its expansion plans.
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SOURCE: http://tinyurl.com/ylcdh9u


I'll respond to the other stuff when I have more time. Peace for now and let your sources do the talking.

There was even some theories that Ethiopians were a type of Aryan. One thing that lives in infamy is the fact that there were Ethiopian Nazis.

Believe it or not!

No other European country came to the aide of Ethiopia. They all refused to back a Black country against a White - this was specifically there statement. Only Hitler helped Ethiopia.

My point is that Race Cults are not based on anything rationale. Remember, Hitler himself was most likely part Jewish.

Arrant nonsense! Italy and Germany were members of the Axis power together with Japan on one side. They were supported by many European country, and (even the Arab mutif of Jerusalem) and preached an extreme form of racism.

How then would KKK German Hitler love the Ethiopians (Black men and women) so much more than his Aryan brothers of Italy that he would even arm them to kill Italians. Arrant nonsense.

It was the Eriterians, colonized in mind and body that provided aid and support to the invading Italians. Many Eriterians were regulars and porters for the Italian army, and when Italy was defeated and expelled from Ethiopia, most of the defeated soldiers straggled back to Eriteria to lick their wounds, and breed more bastards to make trouble for Africa another day!

You seem to be arguing against the facts. There is clear evidence that Hitler gave weapons to Ethiopia.


Most people consider it a way of trying to draw Italy into an alliance with Germany.

???
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by osirion:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:
Originally posted by osirion:
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:
It's well known Hitler assisted Ethiopia during Ethiopia's war with Italy in 1935. But this wasn't because Hitler was 'fond' of Ethiopia, it was purely political and in some cases, financial.

"The Italo-Ethiopian war made possible the Italy-German rapprochement because Hitler did not apply sanctions against Italy and made it available to Italy certain boycotted products, such as coal, allowing Mussolini to challenge the international community and with the war.However, in spite of the fact that Germany had adopted a neutral policy, Hitler secretly authorized a 3 billion mark credit to Ethiopia to buy arms.."

SOURCE http://tinyurl.com/ygu2nfg


"Germany became aware that its re-armament was worrying the European continent, and that it would become a target. When Pierre Laval signed the treaty with Italy, Germany became increasingly aware of the resistance presented by many European powers. In an internal document, a German representative in Ethiopia discussed with Emperor Haile Selassie the supply of modern arms and material for chemical warfare. If the Germans’ offer of arms was favorable, Ethiopia was to send a representative to Berlin to discuss the situation.10 Germany later said internally that it and Ethiopia had the same interests, and that a conflict with Italy over the Austrian question would be inevitable.11 Germany was aware that Mussolini, along with Britain and France, did not favor his involvement with Austria. Hitler felt that the only way to be able to take over Austria was to arm the Ethiopians as much as possible so that they would offer the greatest resistance toward the Italians. With the Italians distracted, Hitler would go into Austria. Hitler kept this plan secret, because he was aware of the complicated European political situation.12
German firms saw an interest in Ethiopia like the Italians did, but not for the same reasons. Companies such as Rheinmetall and Krupp Steel were aware that Ethiopia desperately needed supplies, and they could provide them.13 They helped supply the weapons to Ethiopia that were agreed to by Selassie and Hitler. The fact that Ethiopia was on the verge of entering war meant that they need to buy as many supplies as possible to prepare. German firms were prepared to offer Ethiopians what they needed in order to profit. Italy also saw an economic interest in Ethiopia because Mussolini was aware that Ethiopia had a large amount of natural resources, and Italy could improve its struggling economy. With an already struggling economy, Italy was desperate to look for solutions for this problem, and Ethiopia became a possible solution.

Emperor Haile Selassie would of course try and take the offer made by the Germans, and Ethiopia would receive some weapons from German firms.14 Emperor Selassie knew that Italy was a large military power, and it needed to arm immediately. Both Germany and Ethiopia felt they would win through this arms deal. With Mussolini sending troops into British Somaliland to prepare for the imminent invasion, Ethiopia had to speed up the process of the deal.15 Germany began to play a large role in the imminent war by causing panic in Europe while making deals with Ethiopia to stop Italy from conquest.
When the main invasion began in October of 1935, German officials discussed the situation. Communications showed that Germany wished to remain a “non-participant,” and with Italy diverted away from Europe and the League of Nations weakened, Germany focused on the Austrian question.16 It watched the Italian conflict, but Emperor Haile Selassie was aware that he was outnumbered, and Germany felt that Italy would likely succeed. Germany now knew that this was the time to take advantage of the European political situation, and it hoped that the Italo-Abyssinian conflict would continue for a long period of time so that it could begin its expansion plans.
"

SOURCE: http://tinyurl.com/ylcdh9u


I'll respond to the other stuff when I have more time. Peace for now and let your sources do the talking.

There was even some theories that Ethiopians were a type of Aryan. One thing that lives in infamy is the fact that there were Ethiopian Nazis.

Believe it or not!

No other European country came to the aide of Ethiopia. They all refused to back a Black country against a White - this was specifically there statement. Only Hitler helped Ethiopia.

My point is that Race Cults are not based on anything rationale. Remember, Hitler himself was most likely part Jewish.

Arrant nonsense! Italy and Germany were members of the Axis power together with Japan on one side. They were supported by many European country, and (even the Arab mutif of Jerusalem) and preached an extreme form of racism.

How then would KKK German Hitler love the Ethiopians (Black men and women) so much more than his Aryan brothers of Italy that he would even arm them to kill Italians. Arrant nonsense.

It was the Eriterians, colonized in mind and body that provided aid and support to the invading Italians. Many Eriterians were regulars and porters for the Italian army, and when Italy was defeated and expelled from Ethiopia, most of the defeated soldiers straggled back to Eriteria to lick their wounds, and breed more bastards to make trouble for Africa another day!

You seem to be arguing against the facts. There is clear evidence that Hitler gave weapons to Ethiopia.


Most people consider it a way of trying to draw Italy into an alliance with Germany.

???

Two sources from you including a speech or letter wherein HIM majesty acknowledge your "facts". If you cannot then you are talking nonsense...
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:
[QB] Part 2 ---this forum isn't allowing me to post my original post into one post, so i've decided to split it into two sections.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by KING:
Is it safe to say that self Hatred fueled their 30 year war against Ethiopia. I say this not to pick a fight or make people angry, but the TRUTH needs to be understood. This also may play into why "Some" Eritreans think they are not linked with other Africans.

ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU ARE DODGING ERITRIAN THIN LEGS....

HOW MANY ITALIANS DID YOUR GREAT REBEL MODEL SOLDIERS KILL BEFORE HAILE SELASSIE FREED YOUR THIN ARSES FROM ITALIAN SLAVERY???

HOW MANY ITALIAN COLONELS CAPTAINS, GENERALS OR FIELD MARSHALL DID YOUR ERITERIAN BRAVE MEN CAPTURE OR CONQUER?

HOW MANY ETHIOPIANS (YOUR LIBERATORS) DID YOU MURDER PURSUANT TO YOUR SO CALLED INDEPENDENCE AGITATION.

Provide an answer you little cowardly child!

Lion!
 
Posted by 85500 (Member # 17553) on :
 
In addition to annexing Eritrea and igniting the longest war in modern African history (30 years), Haile Selassie banned all Eritrean languages and threw anyone into jail if they spoke their mother tongue. He also moved all factories from Eritrea into his Shewa/Oromo region inside Ethiopia. He purposely made Eritrea's economy weak just so Eritreans would have to rely on Ethiopia. He placed certain quotas on Eritreans reaching the university level of education to keep Eritreans behind. Even in the 1962 African cup, where for the first time and last time in its history Ethiopia won the African cup. What Ethiopians will never till you is 9 out the 11 starting players were all Eritrean. The next tournament, Halie Selassie put a quota on Eritreans joining the soccer national team and as a result, Ethiopia never won anything afterwards. Halie Selassie not only suffered an identity issue, he also had an inferority complex towards Eritreans. He felt his Ethiopian people were less educated, less everything than Eritreans and as a result, he made Eritreans see economic setbacks, educational setbacks and infrustructure setbacks. He did this so "Ethiopians can catch up". He felt since Eritrea was ahead of Ethiopia that Eritreans would start a revolution to win their country back. Hoever, little did he realize that stealing a nation and banning their languages was more than enough for an ass whoppin' of biblical proportion.

Stealing a country and purposely turning the economy bad and to ban languages wasn't enough. Out of Eritrea's 3 million people, 250,000 were killed by Haile Selassie's war on Eritreans. Eritrea's population is now 5 million but had those 250,000 Eritreans lived, Eritrea's population would have been 7 million. Here's the genocide your white claiming god did to Eritreans

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He also starved off and neglected one of the largest famines in Africa, which took place in Wollo, Ethiopia. hundreds of thousands of Ethiopians died, while Halie Selassie lived a lavish lifestyle.

Oh and btw, in order to make Eritrea permanently part of Ethiopia, the great politician halie selassie allowed America to open one of the largest military bases in the capital of Asmara. The American base was used for spying on the soviets and as a result, during the Cuban missile crises, Eritrea was one of the targets for Soviet Nuclear annihilation thanks to Halie Selassie.

Is it any wonder he was buried under the toilet of Mengusitu Halimariam? Your god wasn't sh!t till Mengusitu Halimariam shited on him.


Haile Selassie ruled Ethiopia for 45 years before he was overthrown by the Marxist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam in 1974.

The 81-year-old emperor was detained in his palace by Mengistu's soldiers.

He died a year later, many believe murdered by his captors. His remains were found in 1992, buried under a toilet in the Imperial Palace.


SOURCE: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1007736.stm
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
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If you read the links I've provided, you'd know Eritrea was colonized by Italy from 1880-1941....
AND WHO LIBERATED ERITERIA FROM THE ITALIANS IN 1941?

ANSWER: HAILE SELASSIE DURING OPERATION GIDEON WHEN HE CHASED THE ITALIANS OUT OF NORTH AFRICA.

But then the Italians began agitations through brain-washed Eriterians, by funding a separatist, racist group of Eriterian Italians and many muslims to begin an atrocious war of attrition against their own blood brothers.

Ungrateful ungrateful ungrateful wretches. No wonder no other country in Africa has any good diplomatic relation with Eriteria...

You Eriterians are the rejects of Africa, like Somalians...a shame!
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:


Haile Selassie ruled Ethiopia for 45 years before he was overthrown by the Marxist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam in 1974.

The 81-year-old emperor was detained in his palace by Mengistu's soldiers.

He died a year later, many believe murdered by his captors. His remains were found in 1992, buried under a toilet in the Imperial Palace.


SOURCE: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1007736.stm

But Haile Selassie freed your country Eriteria from Italian slavery in 1941? But Eriterians could not free themselves before that and they also were irregular troops for Italian soldiers during the war of independence?

He freed Eriterians because he considered them to be Ethiopians enslaved by the Italians. Yes.

Haile Selassie educated your country elites in that as early as 1941 he was building schools, hospitals and infrastructure... The first set of educated elites that bit the finger that fed them were Eriterian bastard ingrates, who chose to fight their liberator but who would not fight their enslaver...

Mengistu Haile Mariam was an Amhara goat who had been educated with Haile Selassie's personal money. With HIM private funds, Mengistu and a bunch of other youths were sent to Russia to be educated so that they could come back and build Ethiopia. They went there and sold out to Russian conspiracy theories, truned marxists, and ruined their entire country.

Yet, that in no way underlies the fact that His Imperial Majesty, Emperor Haile Selassie I freed you Eriterians from your Italian enslavers.

Now my thin legged rebel soldier, what have you done for Eriteria other than insult the memory of your liberator?

Remember there were no serious Eriterian rebellion during Haile Selassie's time except for a few muslim agitation edged on by Italian provocateurs.

The full rebellion was against Mengistu. Your war was against Mengistu's Ethiopia and not HIM Emperor Selassie I.
 
Posted by 85500 (Member # 17553) on :
 
The Eritrean revolution in pictures. Led by the great Hamid Idris Awate (he's the guy on the horse below). Hamid Idris Awate killed 50 British colonial soldiers before he declared the Eritrean revolution to free Eritrea. The British feared this man like no other --they offered him money and peace treaty to make peace. He was a trained sniper who fought in the Libya wars as a conscript in WW2. Hamid Idris Awate had class above all - he told his men to say ”Af feni” which means "forgive me" in the Eritrean Tigre language - before squeezing their trigger to take out occupying forces inside Eritrea. He believed all soldiers were tools of governments, so he felt he was killing innocent men, regardless how many times they tried to kill him.

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Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:
The Eritrean revolution in pictures.

I am happy you are now reduced to photo-spamming!

But those are pictures of Highway bandits posing in soldier's uniforms.

Now show me some real Eriterian rebels fighting Italian soldiers?
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 85500:
[QB] The Eritrean revolution in pictures. Led by the great Hamid Idris Awate (he's the guy on the horse below). Hamid Idris Awate killed 50 British colonial soldiers before he declared the Eritrean revolution to free Eritrea.
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LION ROARS: Muslim psuedo Arabs! Now you confess thin legs..now you begin your confessions...

Awate or whatever you call him did not kill any ITALIANS SOLIDERS, who had enslaved his mothers and sisters and fucked them over between 1881 and 1941...

Awate supposedly killed 5 British soldier. But Britain had no issues with Eriteria. ITALY was your master. How many ITALIANS sis Awate the infidel kill?

How come no other African country knows the name of this son of a bitch muslim- wannabe-Arab destroyer of African unity and peoples?

Soon after Ethiopia defeated the Italians, Italy and some Arabs muslims countries began formenting the trouble in Ethiopian Eriteria. Their desire was to weaken Ethiopia and deny it its natural access to the sea and to divide and weaken it.

Pakistan, was the country to promote your secessionist agenda at the United Nations. Now ask yourself how Pakistan could love the people of Eriteria more than the liberator of Africa, the Ethiopians with Emperor Haile Selassie?

 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
ERITERIA VICTIMS LOVE ITALIAN PAEDOPHILES:

One of the reasons for Eriteria's so called revolution:

Abstract:
The trade ties between Italy and Eritrea is important for both countries. This paper analyzes the extents and characteristics of regional trade relationship between Eritrea and Italy. Attention is given to the regions and products where there is high potential for export and import. Other socioeconomic opportunities, which may give rise to the trade link between the two countries, are also mentioned briefly. The main aim is Eritrea a former Italian colony can be a springboard for Italy to expand its commercial activities to other Italian colony in the horn of Africa. It can be an opener of the market in Italy with all Italian and non-Italian colonies in the horn of Africa. [Mad]
Indian Journal of Millennium Development Studies-An International Journal, Vol. 2, No. 1, pp. 97-111, March 2007

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1290405
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
ERITRIAN OPPOSITION DIVULGES GOVERNMENT SECRETS:
"It has been quite a while since Eritrean President Isaias Afwerki moved his office from Asmara to the Red Sea Port of Massawa. Reason? To supervise a lucrative business in blackmarket arms sales to Somali insurgents and other customers like the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka....

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Transporting the weapons to Somalia was Evgueny Zakharov, owner of Aerolift, an airline with a fleet of ageing Antonov and llyushin transport aircraft (based in Johannesburg but registered with the British Virgin Islands).

Zakharov's partner from the Eritrean side was Brigadier General Ta'ame (aka Mekelle). Brig.-General Ta'ame was one of the guys who was arrested in Zimbabwe in 1995 following a failed assassination attempt on the life of former Ethiopian dictator Col. Mengitu Hailemariam). General Ta'ame carries various passports, including Ethiopian, Saudi, Kuwaiti documents on top of his Eritrean diplomatic passport. He is Eritrea's chief of arms traficking with clients such as the Islamist insurgents in Somalia and rebels in Sri Lanka.

Zakharov has been ferrying weapons from Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Iran and Libya to Eritrea. So far, the pilot has wrapped up 76 flights. On July 12, 2008, for instance, Gen. Ta'ame paid Zakharov a blackmarket value of $1.5 million dollars for the arms consignment aboard flight no. 76496. Altogether, Asmara has paid Zakharov a total of US $114 million.

See: http://www.ethiomedia.com/aurora/9222.html
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
ITALY'S BERLUSSCONI AND ERITRIA'S AFRWEKIS SIGN EXTENDED TOXIC DUMPING AGREEMENT:

Italy & Iran vie for industrial waste dumping sites
Italy has before 2005 been looking for a site to dump its toxic industrial waste. In 1988, Rome had reached agreement with the military regime in Addis Ababa about a dumping site along the coast of the Red Sea. At that time, the Eritrean rebel group EPLF of Isaias Afwerki had condemned the agreement. But years later on March 14, 2005 President Isaias met with Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, and their talks were about a site for dumping Italy's industrial waste. The agreement was signed under the cover of promoting bilateral agreements.

Accordingly, 136 tons of toxic industrial waste was dumped in Massawa, near the site called Edaga, and another near Tiwalet, a secluded military zone.

The person who knew and denounced the crime of dumping toxic waste in Eritrea was Andemichael Kahsai, who was Eritrea's ambassador to Italy, and who was always accompanying Isaias to Italy. The criticism cost the ambassador his life, as his body was later discovered near the Ministry of Labor (Taba).

The Eritrean government has received US $21 million from the toxic waste disposal deal.

http://www.ethiomedia.com/aurora/9222.html
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
ERITREAN PRESIDENT THREATENS THE REST OF AFRICA: INTERVIEW WITH AL-JAZEERA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0uQwODNkTA&feature=player_embedded#

This man hates Africa definitely. He is an Italian agent of war and instability...in Africa.

Judge your self...
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
8666 says: There are 13 ethnic groups in Eritrea and 82 ethnic groups in Ethiopia. Eritreans are as different from one another as they are to Ethiopians...?

How then are you a distict nation?
How then can you be one people
if you are so different?
How then can you claim one Eritrea
when even you see so much divergences.
Why dthen did you fight Emperor Selassie?

May your words judge you!
 
Posted by AswaniAswad (Member # 16742) on :
 
U think Eritrean tigrians were the only ones fighting Haile Selassie here is a little secret no one wants u to know.

During Selassie there was 3 uprisings against him one in the south amongst Oromo, IN the North of Ethiopia Amongs the Tigaru who are the Brothers and Helpers of Eritrean Tigaraly and amongst the Socalled Eritreans. 85000 why dont u tell all these people the truth about your real relationship with Tigray.

What he doesnt want to tell u is that Both Tigray and ERitrea fought Side by Side even mixing it up sometimes fighting for 30 years against a common enemy selassie and especiallly the Derge. How about both the leaders of the revolution against the Derge and Ethiopia Mr. Isaias Afwerqi and Mr. Meles Zenawi are both students in Addis Ababa Univeristy until they finally were like enough is enough lets go help our people.

How about How EPLF killed ELF leaders and even fought against there own eritrean brothers killing eritreans in eritrea while fighting the Derg(ethiopians) non Tigray. Eritreans 30 years struggle was not was not i repeat was not against Tigaru/Tigray. ERitreans fought for independance Not Against Tigray Ethiopians Tigray was Fighting alonside Eritreans at many points Even Eritrean fighters went into the Tigray Regions to fight with them as well this is well docomented by eritrean forces as well as TPLF. Tigray Ethiopians Died and help fight Ethiopia with the eritreans well documented even by ELF the movement of Awate that was ranout by EPLF Issias Afeworki and his Tigrinia compadres.

Tigaru fought for the indepedence of Eritrea just as much as So called ERitreans ahhahahhahaahahhah. Here is a good example Tigaru singed songs about Eritrean Fighters and the SAme of ERitrean Fighters singing for Tigaru.


First EDU started it Off in Tigray then came TPLF Woyane who came along and took over the revolution from EDU even killed EDU leaders to take the torch of revolution. So while TPLF was fighting in Tigray against Ethiopians/Derge all of a sudden ELF which was prodominatly Muslims was replaced by EPLF with the help of TPLF.

850000 did u know that Tigaru TPLF Woyane Doctrine was the complete Independance of ERitrea from Ethiopia.

I have eritrean friends who are Hadandewa,Tigre,Saho, and they even claim that while in eritrea they fought alongside Tigaru in Nakfa.

Eritrea is a country with 9 tribes of those 9 tribes Saho,AFar,Tigrinia,and Kunama are in Ethiopia Tigray as well even there are a Tigray people irob who speak a dialect of Saho but have Tigaru culuture.

I have spoken to many eritreans but i do not hang out with many Tigrinia speaking Eritreans but the ones that i do are Jeberti Muslim Eritreans and those Jeberti Muslim claim they come from Tigray worku and belong to the family of Najashi. NOne of my Jeberti Muslim speaking friends see any different with Tigray Jeberti and ERitrean Jeberti even claim Tigray is the Home of Jeberti.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlwqADg4jhc

This is Beja ata arkay look how they are dancing gwala tigrinia and dont forget that while TPLF and EPLF fighters were fighting Derge these Beja were the helpers of the Habashi coming into EAstern Sudan hiding amongst them were the revolution fighters of Tigray and Eritrea.

WE in Sudan and those of the Might Beja have always laughed at Eritreans and Tigray brothers fighting over nothing ya hada Esra
 
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
 
AswaniAswad

All these wars seem very fishy.

It would seem that you claim That the leaders of these civil wars trained at the same university.
Why all the zenophobic hate? I will continue to say that it was hatred of being under Black rule that sparked the conflict. Now we hear that Tigrays in Ethiopia were on Eritrean side, and that just muddies the waters even more. Even through this Eritreans and Ethiopians must let love reign if they are going to really benefit there people. Their is no excuse that Ethiopia suffers from famine and starvation when the Nile runs through there land. I don't laugh at Eritreans and Tigray I feel sad that they could not solve there problems, fighting and losing the life of soldiers in senseless wars is shameful.


What I also see is people desperate to slander the name of Selassie. Be easy on these things, at least show some respect to the person who Rastas highly regard.

Peace
 
Posted by Yonis2 (Member # 11348) on :
 
quote:
King wrote:
I don't laugh at Eritreans and Tigray I feel sad that they could not solve there problems, fighting and losing the life of soldiers in senseless wars is shameful.

Senseless war?
How is fighting for the freedom of your people and children a senseless war? These soldiers reached their objectives eventually, so how was it senseless?

Btw AswaniAswad it's obvious that you are an Amhara so stop acting as if you were a Sudani or Egyptian.
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
Is it a possible analogy then to state the relation between Eritrea and Ethiopia to that of Tibet and China then?
 
Posted by AswaniAswad (Member # 16742) on :
 
Yonis dont worry about my origins btw im not Amhara,Tigrian,Oromo,Somali,Afar,Ethiopian,or Eritrean. I am of Beja Origin and claim those in Eritrea,Sudan,and Egypt to be my brothers.

U yonis Wariya must be smart enough to understand that even during the war between Derge and Somalia in 1977-78 was a big mess u hade Tigrinian Woyane TPLF soldiers all in Somalia getting help from the Somalians. U think the fight in 1977 with somalia and Ethiopia fought had to do with eritrea and Tigray no those two were both helping fight the same person the somali were fighting.

Yonis the war between Ethiopia and Eritrea in 1998 was Senseless War U know this dont play with me.

The 30year struggle that Eritreans and Tigaru fought against Derge and Selassie were Legit WArs for Freedom and Peace and stop oppression.
 
Posted by Yonis2 (Member # 11348) on :
 
quote:
AswaniAswad wrote:
U think the fight in 1977 with somalia and Ethiopia fought had to do with eritrea and Tigray no those two were both helping fight the same person the somali were fighting.

Yes i know that, and i also know that bejas were fighting on the EPLF side against the Derg, unlike TPLF, EPLF consisted of all Eritreans including your beja not just Tigrinya, why don't you tell us more about the anti-Derg Bejas of Eritrea?
 
Posted by 85500 (Member # 17553) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
Is it a possible analogy then to state the relation between Eritrea and Ethiopia to that of Tibet and China then?

No because Eritrea predates Ethiopia both as a nation-state and in civilization. There are more historical ancient sites in Eritrea than Ethiopia and Sudan combined.

Ethiopia is only 120 years old and was built by colonizers and peace treaties with European nations. Ethiopia also gained their independence from the British in 1942.


Don't let these rastafarian troll fool you, Marcus Gravey made it clear that Halie Selassie was a racist bigot how hated blacks and regarded himself a white man. These are historical facts backed by sources, no amount of rastafarian ganja will change history just so their god that was buried under a toilet can have a good name. According to Rastafarians, Halie Selassie is still alive. Yes, you would need more than weed to believe in their smokescreen of fictional historical accounts.
 
Posted by 85500 (Member # 17553) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Yonis2:

How is fighting for the freedom of your people and children a senseless war? These soldiers reached their objectives eventually, so how was it senseless?

Btw AswaniAswad it's obvious that you are an Amhara so stop acting as if you were a Sudani or Egyptian. [/QB]

Lool AswaniAswad is Ethiopian of the Tigray ethnic group.

Since when have Beja speakers in Egypt claimed they were Bejas? Who does this tigrayan Ethiopian rat think he's fooling? My Uncle in law is a to-badawie (beja) speaker, and he never met no Bisharan Beja speaker claim they are Bejas. Like I told this Ethiopian loser, he should avoid claiming the Beja identity, as he will get dicked down with facts. Tigrayans are known to pretend to be Oromos, Somalis, Amharas and Eritreans. They feel that a genocide is going to happen on their people, hence their all over forums boasting how good it is in Ethiopia since their ethnic minority is in power. They make up 5% of Ethiopia, yet control 97% of Ethiopia's military, economics and government.


Believe me my darood Somali friend, Eritreans know when they see Tigrayans. Since when have Bejas from Egypt been so politically invested in Eritrean and Ethiopian affairs? This guy is Ethiopian from the Tigray ethnic group. I'm Tigre-Eritrean, I can smell an Tigrayan rat anywhere. These people are claiming Bejas now on forums is not astonishing to say the least.

Bottom line fact: EPLF and ELF were the largest rebel groups in the horn of Africa. Both of them were Eritreans. The Eritrean revolution freed Ethiopians from dictators, as it was Eritrean tanks and troops that marched into Addis Ababa. The TPLF was created in 1974, for Tigray independence. They were trained and hand-held into power by the bigger EPLF.

EPLF in 1991 had 125,000 Eritrean rebels
TPLF in 1991 had 25,000 and 15,000 off and on.


TPLF was just Tigrayans. Tigray people's population was 5 million

EPLF was comprised of Biher-Tigrinya, Tigre and every Eritrean ethnic group. At that time, Eritrea's population was just 3 million. So out of 3 million people, the Eritreans had the highest concentration of troops than any rebel movement in the horn, they started the revolution and they marched into Addis Ababa for a regime change and put the smaller TPLF into power. These ungrateful tigrayans bit the hand that created them and invaded Eritrea in 1998.


Aswani = Tigrayan Ethiopian. No ifs or ands about it. We know your type, loud as a moterbike but wouldn't bust a grape if a fruit fight. You can fool these people on here, but you'll never fool Eritreans.

I challenge you to speak Beja to me....What am I saying, tifa rus aldbahan delamey af hentis.


Now please translate that for me our Tigraya-Ethiopian friend pretending to be a Beja from Egypt of all places. What a joke you are.
 
Posted by AswaniAswad (Member # 16742) on :
 
NO Yonis Beja were fighting first with the ELF its founder Ahmed Mohammed Nasser,Hiruy Tadla Bayru) and the new leaders (Siyoum Ogbamichael, Hussein Kelifah and Weldeyesus Ammar).

The Beja got invoved threw ELF which opened a Office in Egypt CAiro, My father was a Student in Egypt at the time and meet with Idris Muhammad Adam who opened the ELF office in Egypt.

The Beja of eritrea who are called Hedareb fought alongside and in the same unit as the other eritrean tribes everyone fought together as brothers. My father told me that there was a fully armed Beja Unit in Nakfa which sparked the fight and became the ralling call.

My father told me that Idris Awate started a military wing of the ELF and that consisted of Armed horsemen from the Beja as well as Habab and Beni Amir Tribes of Tigre of which Idris Awate is from and my father told me that the Habab side of Tigre are really of Beja origin left overs of Shukriya.

Anti-Derg Bejas of ERitrea and Sudan started when the Derg went straight to the Beni amir Tribe and Arrested there chief as well as the chief of the Habab which was the wrong thing to do. DErg Knew that if they captured and forced the Chief of Habab and Chief of Beni Amir into submission that they would control the Sahel but what Derg didnt know is that the Beni Amir and Habab are many in Sudan and Strong so the Beni Amir called on there other fellow tribes men and combined with the ELF forces Sudan was the most important area for the fighters of Tigray,Eritrea
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:

No because Eritrea predates Ethiopia both as a nation-state and in civilization. There are more historical ancient sites in Eritrea than Ethiopia and Sudan combined.


I question the part about Eritrea beating Sudan out in ancient sites -- home to ancient Kush and Meroe.
 
Posted by 85500 (Member # 17553) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:

No because Eritrea predates Ethiopia both as a nation-state and in civilization. There are more historical ancient sites in Eritrea than Ethiopia and Sudan combined.


I question the part about Eritrea beating Sudan out in ancient sites -- home to ancient Kush and Meroe.
Selam brother Explorer. I must thank you for taking the time out of your day to hand that troll his ass in the first page of this thread.

In regards to my claim, I am speaking of archeological sites and historical places, not grand kingdoms such as the power house Kush or Meroe. In this regard, Eritrea has 80,000 and this number is expected to grow, because outside of Somalia, Eritrea is the least archeological excavated nation in the horn.


Here's the article http://www.madote.com/2009/10/eritrea-has-second-highest.html

Asmara, 20 December 2008 - The number of archeological sites in the country which was 45,000 previously has now increased to 80,000 thanks to the continued excavation activities undertaken to identify the nation rich relics, according to Dr. Yosief Libsekal, head of the Eritrean National Museum.


Noting that archeological sites and historical places in the country had not been properly explored due to successive colonial rule and wars, he indicated that additional new sites have been discovered in Buya, Northern Red Sea region. Dr. Yoseif further stated that the nation’s archeological sites and historical places are being excavated by nationals in the first place so as to avoid the mistake witnessed in excavation activities of African artifacts by foreigners.

He pointed out that Eritrea ranks second after Egypt in Africa for its rich archeological sites and historical places. Moreover, he explained that there are plans to undertake rehabilitation tasks in a number of archeological sites in the country, including the Metera Statue, the Kidane-Mihret Church in Senafe which was built in the Middle Ages and the Derbush Cemetery in Massawa.

 
Posted by AswaniAswad (Member # 16742) on :
 
Hey i need not explain nothing to u i can tell u are Tigrinia Highlander u are not Tigre Eritrean because Tigre do not speak Beja and Tigre do not Need to Show the World How they are not Ethiopian and they have a different history from Tigray Only Tigrinia speaking Asmara Highlanders think like that.

Never have i ever meet a Tigre,Nara,Raishada,Hedareb,Bilen,AFar,SAho,and KUnama who Is Obsessed with Not Being Ethiopian and Goes around telling the World How He is Not From Tigray,Ethiopia come on be realistic only U Highlanders think like that.

U are Tigre and u want to tell me about Beja do u know what Tigre means in TeBadawiya hahahhahahhaha.

Gasit Bedawiye is what u speak if u are a Beja from eritrea my dialect is Mimhit Bedawiye which is very similar except like for example Hoos in the third person according to Halenga tribe its Hoosna. The Northern Beja like Bishariyin and Halenga are known by all Beja speakers to be particular entities.

I always get U are Agame or Tigray or Amhara or Tigrinia eritrean just because i understand the situatio going on there they are my brothers and sisters.

U ask why would a Beja be worried about ERitrea Ethiopia the same reason why would eritrea want to Help the Beja Congress in there fight against Khartoum.

850000 i have no problem with u and dont have nothing more to say really about this eritrean vs Ethiopia u are the one who posts political **** this is abot history of africans and egyptology not about Jebha vs Shaebia ahhahahhahah Jebina Hilwa Ya Habashiya.

tak fadigtamun hawla takat dir aab ikte-yeet door-han firi-it.

If u are Tigre Abshiru ya ikwan
 
Posted by 85500 (Member # 17553) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by AswaniAswad:
NO Yonis Beja were fighting first with the ELF its founder Ahmed Mohammed Nasser,Hiruy Tadla Bayru) and the new leaders (Siyoum Ogbamichael, Hussein Kelifah and Weldeyesus Ammar).

The Beja got invoved threw ELF which opened a Office in Egypt CAiro, My father was a Student in Egypt at the time and meet with Idris Muhammad Adam who opened the ELF office in Egypt.

The Beja of eritrea who are called Hedareb fought alongside and in the same unit as the other eritrean tribes everyone fought together as brothers. My father told me that there was a fully armed Beja Unit in Nakfa which sparked the fight and became the ralling call.

My father told me that Idris Awate started a military wing of the ELF and that consisted of Armed horsemen from the Beja as well as Habab and Beni Amir Tribes of Tigre of which Idris Awate is from and my father told me that the Habab side of Tigre are really of Beja origin left overs of Shukriya.

Anti-Derg Bejas of ERitrea and Sudan started when the Derg went straight to the Beni amir Tribe and Arrested there chief as well as the chief of the Habab which was the wrong thing to do. DErg Knew that if they captured and forced the Chief of Habab and Chief of Beni Amir into submission that they would control the Sahel but what Derg didnt know is that the Beni Amir and Habab are many in Sudan and Strong so the Beni Amir called on there other fellow tribes men and combined with the ELF forces Sudan was the most important area for the fighters of Tigray,Eritrea

Dude, you're a liar and making up lots of what you're stating. You're not Beja. Lets make this fact clear. You don't act, talk or understand beja. Please refrain from turning the Beja name for your political tool.

In regards to your fairytale story, it's complete trash. You're taking smokescreen claims right from the Ethiopian government.

Habab are not Bejas. Hababs are Tigre people. Habab is a CHRISTIAN name. It comes from Ad Habetes, who was the founder of that clan. Ad-Habetes is one of the three sons of Maflas, who himself was the first son of Beit Asagade. The Beit Asgade people are the ancestors of the Habab and they come from Christian Biher-Tigrinya people of the highlands. Today, all Hababs are Muslims and speak Tigre.

The Beni Amer are not a Beja tribe. Stop lying you loser. All Bejas regard the Beni Amer as a Habesha tribe from the Eritrean highlands. The ad Hamasien, ad Bidel and many other tribes inside the Beni-Amer all came from the Biher-Tigrinya ethnic group of Eritrea. Many other sub-clans of the Beni-Amer came from Tigre ethnic groups and a small minority came from the ballaw people, who were people of half-Beja and Half-Bediouin arab ancestory. The Beni-Amer are a confederation of sub-clans with different origins. No Beni-Amer claims to be Beja. They just regard themselves as Beni-Amer and speak Tigre as a first language. In fact, the name Beni Amer means "sons of Amer". Amir was a Balaw king that ruled most of Eritrea during the Balaw kingdom (12 -16 century AD)

Now, kindly tell me what I wrote in my previous post mr. Tigrayan-Ethiopian pretending to be a beja from Egypt.
 
Posted by AswaniAswad (Member # 16742) on :
 
I would doubt eritrea being greater than Sudan in archeological sites What Meroe Kush
 
Posted by 85500 (Member # 17553) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by AswaniAswad:
Hey i need not explain nothing to u i can tell u are Tigrinia Highlander u are not Tigre Eritrean because Tigre do not speak Beja and Tigre do not Need to Show the World How they are not Ethiopian and they have a different history from Tigray Only Tigrinia speaking Asmara Highlanders think like that.

Never have i ever meet a Tigre,Nara,Raishada,Hedareb,Bilen,AFar,SAho,and KUnama who Is Obsessed with Not Being Ethiopian and Goes around telling the World How He is Not From Tigray,Ethiopia come on be realistic only U Highlanders think like that.

U are Tigre and u want to tell me about Beja do u know what Tigre means in TeBadawiya hahahhahahhaha.

Gasit Bedawiye is what u speak if u are a Beja from eritrea my dialect is Mimhit Bedawiye which is very similar except like for example Hoos in the third person according to Halenga tribe its Hoosna. The Northern Beja like Bishariyin and Halenga are known by all Beja speakers to be particular entities.

I always get U are Agame or Tigray or Amhara or Tigrinia eritrean just because i understand the situatio going on there they are my brothers and sisters.

U ask why would a Beja be worried about ERitrea Ethiopia the same reason why would eritrea want to Help the Beja Congress in there fight against Khartoum.

850000 i have no problem with u and dont have nothing more to say really about this eritrean vs Ethiopia u are the one who posts political **** this is abot history of africans and egyptology not about Jebha vs Shaebia ahhahahhahah Jebina Hilwa Ya Habashiya.

tak fadigtamun hawla takat dir aab ikte-yeet door-han firi-it.

If u are Tigre Abshiru ya ikwan

So let me get this straight, you can't speak To-badawi to save your life and now you're trying to question if I can speak Tigrayit? Tigray Ethiopian please, keep your complexes for Ethiopian website, stop wasting bandwidth.
 
Posted by 85500 (Member # 17553) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by AswaniAswad:


Never have i ever meet a Tigre,Nara,Raishada,Hedareb,Bilen,AFar,SAho,and KUnama who Is Obsessed with Not Being Ethiopian and Goes around telling the World How He is Not From Tigray,Ethiopia come on be realistic only U Highlanders think like that.

You mean all those Eritrean ethnic groups you named that gave up their lives to free Eritrea didn't prove it to you they were obessesed in freeing Eritrea with their lives? If dying can't prove it, then what will mr Tigray Ethiopian? Of course you've never seen them because you're Ethiopian, what are you supposed to do?


BTW< it's not Bilen, it's Blin. The only people who call Bilen as Bilen are people from the highlands. If you're going to play the part of a Beja, please follow the rules.


quote:
Originally posted by AswaniAswad:

U are Tigre and u want to tell me about Beja do u know what Tigre means in TeBadawiya hahahhahahhaha.

Is that why all Beja people regard Tigre as their second language? Keep laughing boy, no amount of tribal hate is going to make me change my view of Bejas.


quote:
Originally posted by AswaniAswad:

Gasit Bedawiye is what u speak if u are a Beja from eritrea my dialect is Mimhit Bedawiye which is very similar except like for example Hoos in the third person according to Halenga tribe its Hoosna. The Northern Beja like Bishariyin and Halenga are known by all Beja speakers to be particular entities.

Do you know who the Helenga people are? Do you know their history? Did you know the Halenga Bejas were Christian Biher-Tigrinya people just a few centuries ago? Did you know that? Did you know that the Halenga migrated from Sareye province of the Eritrean highlands 500 years ago? Did you know they moved to the barka and adopted Tigre, then they migrated to the Kassala region and now speak Beja. Of course you didn't, because all Bejas know that.

quote:
Originally posted by AswaniAswad:

I always get U are Agame or Tigray or Amhara or Tigrinia eritrean just because i understand the situatio going on there they are my brothers and sisters.

No beja regards one another as brother and sisters, so save us your rasfarian Tigray talk. For example, the Hadendowa clan of Bejas regard themselves as true Bejas and are known to start war with any other so-called Beja speakers on site. Beja is an identity that most Bejas do not except. Outside of speaking a common language and following a common religion, the Bejas are not an ethnic group. The Hedareb hate to be called Bejas, even though much of their ancestors are Hadendowa people. Call a Hedareb a Beja and watch him bring out his sef to cut your neck.


quote:
Originally posted by AswaniAswad:
U ask why would a Beja be worried about ERitrea Ethiopia the same reason why would eritrea want to Help the Beja Congress in there fight against Khartoum.

The Beja congress and Beja people have always helped Eritreans. In fact, both the Tigre and Biher-Tigrinya ethnic groups of Eritrea are thought to be the descendants of Beja people who may have been called the Medjays of antiquity. In fact, many places in the Eritrean highlands and lowlands are named after Beja words. So when the Bejas need our help, we will give to them no questions asked.
 
Posted by AswaniAswad (Member # 16742) on :
 
Beni Amir are not Habashi u are the one who is a liar and Habab are not christians u crazy.

U see u forget the real identity of Habab u all think they are habashi this is your identity crisis there is no Beni Amir Habab Habashi anything.

U need a little history lesson On beja my friend i cant believe u are Tigre and u dont know nothing about your own Beja brothers.

U said the Beni Amir are not a Beja Tribe U ARE COMPLETELY WRONG MY FRIEND U NEED A HISTORY LESSON BRO WAKE UP

Do u understand why Beja speak Tigre and why Tigre culture dress is similar to Beja u dont get it because Tigre speak a language similar to Tigrinia u think they are more related to Habashi.

do u even know anything about the people of the sahel and the left overs of the Najran. During the Axum kingdom King Kaleb brought alot of Najran christians from Yemen to SAhel who lived amongs the Beja.

The Beja, or Bedawiye, people speaking the Northern Cushitic language called “Bedawiet”, have literally since “time immemorial” occupied the Eastern deserts of Sudan, Egypt and possibly Eritrea. They today consist of the subgroups Ababda, Bishariin, Atmaan/Amar´ar, Hadendowa and sections of the Beni Amer. These subgroups are relatively loosely integrated confederations of endogamous lineages based on assumptions of shared descent and cohabitation in an ancestral territory.

U SPEAK ABOUT THE BALAWI KINGDOM ARE U SERIOUS ARE U SERIOUS OR ARE U STUPID U THINK TIGRE HAD A KINGDOM IN ERITREA OR SUDAN ARE U CRAZY THE BALAW KINGDOM MEANS BEJA KINGDOM NERD.


More evidence showing Crawford (1951: 107–108) identifies his “Sitrab” with the inhabitants of the mountains and canyons of Sitrab, 20 to 30 miles west of Tokar, and links the H.nd.yba with Khor Handuba west of Suakin. More debatable is the claim that the Rigbat, presently part of Beni Amer, were a Beja group. They might not have spoken TuBedawiye, neither then nor later, and certainly do not do so now. Hawqal also mentions the Khasa, who are bi- or trilingual nowadays, with Tigre as their dominant language. According to Zaborski, it is still a puzzle whether this group were originally Tigre or Beja (1965: 301)9 The Khasa at Hawqal´s time was living in the hills and coastal plains around the mouth of Khor Baraka, and the Rigbat stayed close to Suakin. Ibn Hawqal further names some four as yet unidentified groups.

The above shows u more evidence on why the Khasa who are the real Tigre have always been confused of being Beja in old times.
 
Posted by AswaniAswad (Member # 16742) on :
 
tolls on the imports to Abyssinia and tribute from the surrounding nomads. When the Turkish administration moved to Suakin, the Balaw also sent representatives there (Crawford 1951: 131). Lobo (writing c.a. 1624) considered Suakin to be part of the Balaw kingdom. Around 1700 the relations between the Naib and the Turks were severed and the Naib instead divided the profits with the Abyssinian king.
The influence of the Balaw Naib of Arkiko on Suakin and the Sudanese coast was probably an “on-and-off” affair. The inland Beni Amer were Funj vassals from around 1600, the Abdallab “viceroy” Agib making claims on the whole area between Korosko, Massawa and Suakin (Paul 1954: 93, 1950: 224, Penn 1934: 63 f). The inland routes from Suakin at any rate were controlled by the Abdallab and the Hadariba
More specifically, these “Hadariba” of Suakin appear to have been the Arteiga, nowadays considered to be a Beja group. Oral traditions, quoted by Jackson (1926: 56) claim that “towards the close of the 15th century”, the Funj had already defeated the Arteiga as leaders of Suakin and made them their vassal rulers. This appears unlikely however, unless “Funj” is read “Abdallab” as a direct involvement by the Funj themselves in Suakin is not probable. In the 1980´s, not even the most knowledgeable of Arteiga elders in Suakin claimed any knowledge of the Funj except for what they had learnt in history books, so the Funj do not appear to have left any strong impression. The Arteiga continued to be influential in Suakin (Paul 1954: 140). They had trading contacts with the slave markets at Shendi and Mesellemia in the Gezira. The head of the Arteiga was the Emir of Hadarba, who lived on the mainland part of Suakin.

Asalaam alyikum Rahamatu allah wa tala wa baraktu
i apologize ya ikwan this is wrong i should not be talking 2 u like this but i understand your point and i respect your culture and people so lets just leave it at that i can see its getting a little emotional but thanks for the reasoning.

I promised myself i would not speak about this anymore but try to show those in the horn of africa our similarities instead of showing our differences.

Allah Maaak
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:

Selam brother Explorer. I must thank you for taking the time out of your day to hand that troll his ass in the first page of this thread.

In regards to my claim, I am speaking of archeological sites and historical places, not grand kingdoms such as the power house Kush or Meroe. In this regard, Eritrea has 80,000 and this number is expected to grow, because outside of Somalia, Eritrea is the least archeological excavated nation in the horn.


Here's the article http://www.madote.com/2009/10/eritrea-has-second-highest.html

Asmara, 20 December 2008 - The number of archeological sites in the country which was 45,000 previously has now increased to 80,000 thanks to the continued excavation activities undertaken to identify the nation rich relics, according to Dr. Yosief Libsekal, head of the Eritrean National Museum.


Noting that archeological sites and historical places in the country had not been properly explored due to successive colonial rule and wars, he indicated that additional new sites have been discovered in Buya, Northern Red Sea region. Dr. Yoseif further stated that the nation’s archeological sites and historical places are being excavated by nationals in the first place so as to avoid the mistake witnessed in excavation activities of African artifacts by foreigners.

He pointed out that Eritrea ranks second after Egypt in Africa for its rich archeological sites and historical places. Moreover, he explained that there are plans to undertake rehabilitation tasks in a number of archeological sites in the country, including the Metera Statue, the Kidane-Mihret Church in Senafe which was built in the Middle Ages and the Derbush Cemetery in Massawa.

I don't doubt that Eritrea is potentially replete with "archaeological sites and historical sites", which could just as well be said about a number of other under-excavated African regions, but even with Kush and Meroe put aside [and who can forget the Pre-Neolithic and Neolithic sites around Kerma], Sudan is host to some pretty extensive mine for archaeological fieldwork. Why, it wasn't until a couple of years ago that a inscription linked to a "sub-Saharan" language was found in the Meroitic region.
 
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
 
Yonis

Fighting to free your people from slavery, colonization etc is a Must. I will never disrespect freedom fighters.

The thing is that there is also oher ways to fight against hate, As Martin Luther King showed us.

All I am saying is why did the Eritreans were quick to fight the Ethiopians and not the Italians?

Anyways I see things getting heated in this thread so I will just say that the main posters have to remember they are all BROTHERS and should not look to see what divides them, but what unites them. It's this disunity that allows the west to come into these countries and try to force them to believe in the ideals of the west.

As for Archeological sites, it's a good thing eritrea has that many, but it also shows that ignorance is why they have not been excavated. I have to thank God that the Sudan government did not go along with the plan of building a dam over the land of the Nubians. There is plenty of stories to be told in Africa and we are just beginning to see these stories being told.

Peace
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by KING:
Yonis

Fighting to free your people from slavery, colonization etc is a Must. I will never disrespect freedom fighters.

The thing is that there is also oher ways to fight against hate, As Martin Luther King showed us.

All I am saying is why did the Eritreans were quick to fight the Ethiopians and not the Italians?

Anyways I see things getting heated in this thread so I will just say that the main posters have to remember they are all BROTHERS and should not look to see what divides them, but what unites them. It's this disunity that allows the west to come into these countries and try to force them to believe in the ideals of the west.

As for Archeological sites, it's a good thing eritrea has that many, but it also shows that ignorance is why they have not been excavated. I have to thank God that the Sudan government did not go along with the plan of building a dam over the land of the Nubians. There is plenty of stories to be told in Africa and we are just beginning to see these stories being told.

Peace

King, you are a true Candu! This is just the simplest truth I have been tryng to get those muslim boys to understand...

Eriteria was colonized by Italy in 1881...no resistance, no war of independence, nor riots, no rebellions....

Eriteria was fucked over by Italy for 60 years until Haile Selassie fought a war against the Italians in East Africa and drove them out of Eriteria. This was 1941, recorded history.

Eriteria then turned against Emperor Haile Selassie, their Lord and Saviour, who freed them from the hands of their Roman oppressors.

And truly like Judas did with Jesus, they claimed to have killed and crucified the body of the Lion of Judah....because he was their "oppressor"... (What a farce???)

But just like they could not kill Christ even though they thought they did, they could not kill the Lion of Judah, because he is King of Kings of Earth!

But still those Eriterians could not/did not kill even one Italian devil in the times they constantly raped their mothers and sodomized their fathers...

Their harlot mothers bared their privates and their fathers their arses to be fucked by Italian devils. So they bred up half-bred "Somalids" like Yonis, and "thin legged-Eritrians ingrates" like 8666.

Now both nations are lost in complete confusion. They are at war, in stress and tension. They burst at their seams...

They have become the laughing stock of the earth. They have become the most ignoble of nations. A nation of ingrates, sell-outs, perpetual slaves of the Italians, Africa's reject...Somalia, Eritria...

Look at both nations today. 86660 from Eriteria is probably an exile in the west fleeing the hunger and oppression in his so-called home land.

Yonis from Somalia we all know is a war refugee in Sweden.

And so they will continue to suffer and perish, till they bow down before the saving grace of their rejected Lord and Saviour, His Imperial Majesty Emperor Haile Selassie I..

Because as a Black man, if you diss Selassie, you will die!

Selassie I is InI (Africa's) eternal protector, liberator and saviour! You fight Selassie, you fight yourself!

Lion!
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
"In the days when supremacy of arms decided victory, it was through Eritrea that the enemy successively carried out acts of aggression on us;today, our enemies are trying to conduct propaganda campaigns against us through this same part. If Eritrea, as Ethiopia's outlet, now becomes the scene of a propaganda campaign as it was the entrance of the enemy to the country, who is to lose and who is to gain? The people of Eritrea have felt what it means to live under foreign rule during 60 years of subjugation. The other parts of Ethiopia have also experienced alien domination during five years of tribulation...."

Emperor Haile Selassie I

Visit to Eritrea
1962

See Selected Speeches of Haile Selasie
1967
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:

No because Eritrea predates Ethiopia both as a nation-state and in civilization. There are more historical ancient sites in Eritrea than Ethiopia and Sudan combined.

I'm not talking about history of civilizations but the actual political situation. Modern China is an empire which conquered and annexed Tibet. Is not the same true with modern Ethiopia being an empire that annexed Eritrea? By the way, I'm sure there are plenty of Tibetans that would argue the same about their history and culture being older than the Chinese. Some of the earliest Han Chinese records make references to a people to their west (in Tibet) called the 'Jie' and some aspects of Chinese culture and religion can be traced to the Jie, unfortunately archaeology has so far only scratched the surface of Tibet due to the difficulty of the mountainous terrain as well as the ensuing political conflicts.

quote:
Ethiopia is only 120 years old and was built by colonizers and peace treaties with European nations. Ethiopia also gained their independence from the British in 1942.
The same can be said about many modern African nations and even nations in Southwest and Southern Asia.

quote:
Don't let these rastafarian troll fool you, Marcus Gravey made it clear that Halie Selassie was a racist bigot how hated blacks and regarded himself a white man. These are historical facts backed by sources, no amount of rastafarian ganja will change history just so their god that was buried under a toilet can have a good name. According to Rastafarians, Halie Selassie is still alive. Yes, you would need more than weed to believe in their smokescreen of fictional historical accounts.
Well not to bash Rastafarians, I tend to receive my info from scholarly sources first and foremost anyway. And again, I'm not surprised about Menelik or Selassie's beliefs. We are talking about men who have been under the influence of the West for decades. I'm not surprised they too have fallen for the 'Hamitic' or 'Hamito-Semtic' nonsense.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:

No because Eritrea predates Ethiopia both as a nation-state and in civilization. There are more historical ancient sites in Eritrea than Ethiopia and Sudan combined.

I'm not talking about history of civilizations but the actual political situation. Modern China is an empire which conquered and annexed Tibet. Is not the same true with modern Ethiopia being an empire that annexed Eritrea? By the way, I'm sure there are plenty of Tibetans that would argue the same about their history and culture being older than the Chinese. Some of the earliest Han Chinese records make references to a people to their west (in Tibet) called the 'Jie' and some aspects of Chinese culture and religion can be traced to the Jie, unfortunately archaeology has so far only scratched the surface of Tibet due to the difficulty of the mountainous terrain as well as the ensuing political conflicts.

quote:
Ethiopia is only 120 years old and was built by colonizers and peace treaties with European nations. Ethiopia also gained their independence from the British in 1942.
The same can be said about many modern African nations and even nations in Southwest and Southern Asia.

quote:
Don't let these rastafarian troll fool you, Marcus Gravey made it clear that Halie Selassie was a racist bigot how hated blacks and regarded himself a white man. These are historical facts backed by sources, no amount of rastafarian ganja will change history just so their god that was buried under a toilet can have a good name. According to Rastafarians, Halie Selassie is still alive. Yes, you would need more than weed to believe in their smokescreen of fictional historical accounts.
Well not to bash Rastafarians, I tend to receive my info from scholarly sources first and foremost anyway. And again, I'm not surprised about Menelik or Selassie's beliefs. We are talking about men who have been under the influence of the West for decades. I'm not surprised they too have fallen for the 'Hamitic' or 'Hamito-Semtic' nonsense.

Djehuti 2 questions:

Who liberated Eriteria from the Italians in 1941?

Did China liberate Tibet from a foreign power?
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
"...Man’s ingratitude to man is often manifested in willingness to relegate human beings to the scrapheaps of life when they enter the twilight of their careers and younger brains and stronger arms are found to replace them."

- H.I.M. Emperor Haile Selassie I


To me this typifies the eternal sins of the careless Abbyssinians and Eriterians who fought against the saviour of us all, the Ethiopians!

Lion!
 
Posted by Ityop'iya4eva (Member # 17651) on :
 
85500,you armchair shabia, How is it possible that a 3000 year old culture began in a 30 year old, cultureless and useless place that was designed by Italians?

Your usless beles right ass belong to Shimbela camp. Tigrinyan habeshas all your mothers were the slave whores of Yemen Arabs who don't won't you mutts, which is why most of you suffer from identity crisis.

Got to Arabia, who are the main worthless cheap whores for the Arabs, Eritrean AIDS spreading sluts.

Your stupid to say Ethiopian think they are white and proud, you don't know your own disgusting ancestry.

Dude, lemme ask you; were you born a retard or is it the independence depression that makes you dumb enough to actually believe geez has anything to do with you guys? The arab-turko-roman losers who're synonymous with 30 history-less years for absolutely nothing!

You might deny it now, but soon enough you will kiss my Ethiopian feet's again, just as your folks used to do, and understand that Geez is 100% Ethiopian, and all other history that go with that writing.

Now go back and bow down to your Italian masters, you fu cking loser.
 
Posted by Ityop'iya4eva (Member # 17651) on :
 
All this talking about former Ethiopian good-willed leaders lets speak about the disgusting ungrateful dictator who rules Eritrea with an iron fist.

Who is the worst country in the entire world when it comes to freedom of speech and freedom of press? Eritrea--a totaliarian government, even North Korean rank higher than them in 2009.

http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2009,1001.html

Do eritrash have any freedom in their rubbished cesspool they call a country?

No,Afewerki treats them as government slaves for around $50/month and if they don't work, they go to prison. you wonder why all the refuge camps around the world is filled with this filth.

Afucki's prisoners do not get trials, many of the die in prison without ever getting their side heard, especially if they disagree with his dictatorship.

And when the Eritrash tried to run to Sudan to escape being slaves to his government, what did he do? His answer was to imprison their family members.

Do eritrean have freedom from relgion?
NO NO NO NO NO, hear it from their own mouth

"Like most Eritreans, I and my family had contributed to the liberation of Eritrea as freedom fighters for a number of years before the independence. After independence, I ( and one of my brothers) served in the police force. My religion is Orthodox Christian. But one of my sisters (who also was a freedom fighter for 12 years before indepenence) changed her religion to Jeohvah's Witnesses in 2001. The Government ordered us to convince her to get back to her 'normal' religon. She was beaten and tortured, but never changed her mind. My brother saw her determination and Faith and followed her footstep. My problem started then. All the three of us were put in jail and labelled 'A family of traitors'. I was interogated through torture to tell them 'for whom the family is working'. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3663654.stm

So 85500 sh1t face, stop being the f ucking mouthpiece for the trashy dictator that has run your 30years into dirt. Why eritreans in diasporan collecting welfare benefits from all the European countries you criticize wont come back to their beloved slave quarters under the master Afucki? Answer it you piece of sh1t?
 
Posted by Doctoris Scientia (Member # 17454) on :
 
I'm confused!

85500, are Tigray-Tigrinya people and Tigrinya Eritreans not in good relations, or am I just misinterpreting what your trying to say?
 
Posted by Ityop'iya4eva (Member # 17651) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doctoris Scientia:
I'm confused!

85500, are Tigray-Tigrinya people and Tigrinya Eritreans not in good relations, or am I just misinterpreting what your trying to say?

Yes you are a little bit confused. In Ethiopia, the people are Tigrayan, the Eritrean mutts are called Tigrinyan or Habesha, as we like to call them. They just speak the language, but they are not pure. They are mixed Beja and Arabic and have a confused identity. This is why their Tigrinian accent is so screwed up. All the mothers f ucked the the Arabs and screwed up their minds. LOL.

They are also mixed with Funge, Turks, Italian, truly f ucked up mix of mutts, no surprise they are confused, listen to how this retard speaks, he knows nothing about who he is.

The Tigrayan of Ethiopia always had different rulers and different politics from these mutts. Sometimes the government tried to accept them, but they are assholes, still confused to who they are.

Funny thing is, both wanted to be independent from Ethiopia or should I say Menelik, both they also wanted to be separate from eachother. It's not Menelik who offered their territory to Italians its their own traitor Ras Alula who offered their territory to the Italians.

This retard never tells you that the Eritrea mutts joined the Italian army to fight for control of Ethiopia. We will never consider them our brothers, they are the true friends of the enemy.

Ask this retard why did they fight with their colonial rulers instead of fighting against them, then you will see what kind of identity crisis we are dealing with.
 
Posted by DhulAlQarnain (Member # 17584) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ityop'iya4eva:
quote:
Originally posted by Doctoris Scientia:
I'm confused!

85500, are Tigray-Tigrinya people and Tigrinya Eritreans not in good relations, or am I just misinterpreting what your trying to say?

Yes you are a little bit confused. In Ethiopia, the people are Tigrayan, the Eritrean mutts are called Tigrinyan or Habesha, as we like to call them. They just speak the language, but they are not pure. They are mixed Beja and Arabic and have a confused identity. This is why their Tigrinian accent is so screwed up. All the mothers f ucked the the Arabs and screwed up their minds. LOL.

They are also mixed with Funge, Turks, Italian, truly f ucked up mix of mutts, no surprise they are confused, listen to how this retard speaks, he knows nothing about who he is.

The Tigrayan of Ethiopia always had different rulers and different politics from these mutts. Sometimes the government tried to accept them, but they are assholes, still confused to who they are.

Funny thing is, both wanted to be independent from Ethiopia or should I say Menelik, both they also wanted to be separate from eachother. It's not Menelik who offered their territory to Italians its their own traitor Ras Alula who offered their territory to the Italians.

This retard never tells you that the Eritrea mutts joined the Italian army to fight for control of Ethiopia. We will never consider them our brothers, they are the true friends of the enemy.

Ask this retard why did they fight with their colonial rulers instead of fighting against them, then you will see what kind of identity crisis we are dealing with.

First of all I am of Beja and Eritrean blood. My father Beja, my mother Eritrean and we fight for the cause of the Black African, not against them!

I seem to notice how you lie and slander our people as if you know "anything" about "us" or our culture. How dare you say such idiotic things?
The SPLM, the Beja Congress, the Tiffa, what do you think that is all about?
We cannot help the fact that the racist arabs rape Eritrean women that live in places that are populated by arabs. Just as you cannot control the whiteman urge to rape your women in his country. I say this, as if I know that you are American, because I know you are! Real Africans in this country know what is really going on and "us" without any help from outside of "us" have begun to do something about it. What is the African-American doing for his own cause in America?

It is so amazing how so many people will lie just to get a point up on someone in a worthless conversation.

Grow up!
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by DhulAlQarnain:
quote:
Originally posted by Ityop'iya4eva:
quote:
Originally posted by Doctoris Scientia:
I'm confused!

85500, are Tigray-Tigrinya people and Tigrinya Eritreans not in good relations, or am I just misinterpreting what your trying to say?

Yes you are a little bit confused. In Ethiopia, the people are Tigrayan, the Eritrean mutts are called Tigrinyan or Habesha, as we like to call them. They just speak the language, but they are not pure. They are mixed Beja and Arabic and have a confused identity. This is why their Tigrinian accent is so screwed up. All the mothers f ucked the the Arabs and screwed up their minds. LOL.

They are also mixed with Funge, Turks, Italian, truly f ucked up mix of mutts, no surprise they are confused, listen to how this retard speaks, he knows nothing about who he is.

The Tigrayan of Ethiopia always had different rulers and different politics from these mutts. Sometimes the government tried to accept them, but they are assholes, still confused to who they are.

Funny thing is, both wanted to be independent from Ethiopia or should I say Menelik, both they also wanted to be separate from eachother. It's not Menelik who offered their territory to Italians its their own traitor Ras Alula who offered their territory to the Italians.

This retard never tells you that the Eritrea mutts joined the Italian army to fight for control of Ethiopia. We will never consider them our brothers, they are the true friends of the enemy.

Ask this retard why did they fight with their colonial rulers instead of fighting against them, then you will see what kind of identity crisis we are dealing with.

First of all I am of Beja and Eritrean blood. My father Beja, my mother Eritrean and we fight for the cause of the Black African, not against them!

I seem to notice how you lie and slander our people as if you know "anything" about "us" or our culture. How dare you say such idiotic things?
The SPLM, the Beja Congress, the Tiffa, what do you think that is all about?
We cannot help the fact that the racist arabs rape Eritrean women that live in places that are populated by arabs. Just as you cannot control the whiteman urge to rape your women in his country. I say this, as if I know that you are American, because I know you are! Real Africans in this country know what is really going on and "us" without any help from outside of "us" have begun to do something about it. What is the African-American doing for his own cause in America?

It is so amazing how so many people will lie just to get a point up on someone in a worthless conversation.

Grow up!

How do you Eriterians fight for the cause of black Africa? Have you been involved with the unification agenda or are you working for the division and separation agenda?
 
Posted by DhulAlQarnain (Member # 17584) on :
 
No matter what answer I give you, you will still(like most Americans) try and find another way to argue the same things in circles.

No more of that from me to the likes of you! Beleive what you want to beleive seeing that the Americans know everything about Africa, Europe, Asia, Ausralia,Anartica, South America, North America! You name it, yall got all the answer!

People like you will never learn a thing!
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
DhulAlQarnain

I am a full blooded Nigerian, born, and grown on the continent. So now, feel free to answer my question ...

Does Eriteria fight for the unification of Africa or for its break-up into semi-autonomous tribes?

Is that the essence of cause of black Africa?

Do you know the real essence of pan-Africanism?

Are we too petite to bury the minor differences and see the larger similarities as we operate in this global framework?

Thanks

Lion!
 
Posted by Yonis2 (Member # 11348) on :
 
quote:
Lion wrote:

Does Eriteria fight for the unification of Africa or for its break-up into semi-autonomous tribes?

Enlighten us on the Nigerian developments at this front.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Nigeria is a country united across different ethnic groups.

It came from the political, economic and social and historical network that has subsisted between the peoples that travelled and lived up and down the banks of the Niger, for more than 100,000 years now.

This is borne out by the similar if nuanced commonalites in cultural and traditional practices across Nigeria.

Nigeria has the Hausas/Habachas, the Igbos, the Yorubas, the Fulanis, the Ibibios, the Edos, the Edomas, the Kanuris, and about another 100 other African grouping.

But we are all Nigerians. United as one in blood as well as in love, for ever.

We expect that Nigeria will grow to encompass the entire west Africa, as it is the only real country besides Ghana, Senegal in that region.

We expect it to send out troops to North Africa, a 100 million strong black men, to kick out the Turkish arses of Ghaddafis and all your other half Italian, half french, half trukish bastards that parasite in North Africa.

Marrakesh was built by medieval Nigerians/Senegalese Hausas. The Almoravids. We call it Marrakesh, the house of Kushi to remind you who owns Morrocco. We will be back!

We expect Sudan and Ethiopia to get their acts together and divide up the Somalis and the Eriterias and reincorporate them into ancient Ethiopia. You half-Turkish bitches need your arses straighten out if we are to allow you to remain in Africa.

I could go on Yoni-Yoni, but I will be making you wiser than you really deserve. Put the rest together, and you will overstand it yourself.

The Jamaicans, the AAs, the Brazilians, the Cubans, the are on their way to Nigeria and Ghana, the center of the new Empire!

Lion!
 
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
 
Iron Lion,
Your idealism and romanticism are appreciated but let's face facts. In Nigeria, Ibos, Yorubas and Hausas just don't get along. They might, outside Nigeria however. And how do you account for the constant blood-letting in the Middle Belt--including the Jos area. And how do you account for the fact the conflicts are explained in such stupid terms such as "Settlers and Indigenes"?

What do you make of the fact that the majority of Ibos still dream of some mythical Biafra--even though they know it will never happen.lamin
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Lamin

I am Igbo by the way. There is no such thing as Ibos and Yorubas not getting along. Actually both are the same people with little bits of differences. I schooled among the Ibos and the Yorubas so I consider myself fairly expert on the issue. I consider myself Yas Igbo Yoruba and Hausa. We were born in the civil war and that generation forged a new Nigeria where everyone is one people. In Nigeria once you are open and embracing, no problem man...it just Jah people...the common people are the most beautiful on earth notwithstanding their practicing culture.

We have our problems, but they are no greater or lesser than those of others. The middle belt conflict is just an unfortunate pattern where unscrupulous politicians create tension and havoc to maintain their power base. That is all about it.

In Nigeria we say one Africa! one Nigeria!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:


We expect that Nigeria will grow to encompass the entire west Africa, as it is the only real country besides Ghana, Senegal in that region.

Does that mean you can move freely into the borders of Mauritania, Ivory Coast, Morocco, Niger, Mali et al.?
 
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
 
Iron Lion,

So how do you explain the fact that the ethnic thing is so pronounced in Nigeria. Most people usually refer to someone not of their ethnic group, not by their name but by their ethnic origins? And if anyone from the West/East/North of Nigeria tries getting a job where their ethnicity is not the majority--just forget it. And intermarriage between the groups is still something families oppose---usually expressed as follows: "I will never let my daughter marry a Hausa/Yoruba/Ibo...etc.

You are thinking large while most African politicians think small and petty--as if they are just totally ignorant of history. All this makes it so easy for the exploitation to continue. Think of the situations in Ivory Coast and Sudan--to take 2 examples. Elections are coming up soon in Ivory Coast and the stupid talk is about who is a "real Ivoirean"--based on name---for a country whose boundaries were established by Europeans. The same for Sudan--where the West is eagerly looking forward for the partition of Africa's largest nation state. The oil is in the Christianised South, where the people are divided up by ethnic group and education levels are low. It all began with CIA operative John Garang who fought in North South war with backing from the U.S. and Israel. The North is also maximally alienated with its puzzling(you cannot really compare the history of Kush/Nubia) to the culture and history of illiterate desert nomads whose main claim to history is camel, tent and water jug) with its unbecoming fealty to third hand Judaism blended with desert mysticism and superstition.

It's just interesting to note how other peoples have been able to hold together vast land areas under one government while Africa and its so-called diaspora are so strongly commited what amounts to bantustan-like insularities. Russia, Canada, Australia, U.S.,Brazil, and China are vast nations all held together by single central governments. Things to ponder!
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lamin:
Iron Lion,

So how do you explain the fact that the ethnic thing is so pronounced in Nigeria. Most people usually refer to someone not of their ethnic group, not by their name but by their ethnic origins? And if anyone from the West/East/North of Nigeria tries getting a job where their ethnicity is not the majority--just forget it. And intermarriage between the groups is still something families oppose---usually expressed as follows: "I will never let my daughter marry a Hausa/Yoruba/Ibo...etc.

You are thinking large while most African politicians think small and petty--as if they are just totally ignorant of history. All this makes it so easy for the exploitation to continue. Think of the situations in Ivory Coast and Sudan--to take 2 examples. Elections are coming up soon in Ivory Coast and the stupid talk is about who is a "real Ivoirean"--based on name---for a country whose boundaries were established by Europeans. The same for Sudan--where the West is eagerly looking forward for the partition of Africa's largest nation state. The oil is in the Christianised South, where the people are divided up by ethnic group and education levels are low. It all began with CIA operative John Garang who fought in North South war with backing from the U.S. and Israel. The North is also maximally alienated with its puzzling(you cannot really compare the history of Kush/Nubia) to the culture and history of illiterate desert nomads whose main claim to history is camel, tent and water jug) with its unbecoming fealty to third hand Judaism blended with desert mysticism and superstition.

It's just interesting to note how other peoples have been able to hold together vast land areas under one government while Africa and its so-called diaspora are so strongly commited what amounts to bantustan-like insularities. Russia, Canada, Australia, U.S.,Brazil, and China are vast nations all held together by single central governments. Things to ponder!

You make a lot of sense my brother. But that is why I kicked that Eriterian bastard idiot who came here to talk about how they were so different than the Ethiopians...

Whic is also why I spit on that thin-legged mixed up Smaali fool called Yoni-Yoni and all his wannabe Nazi-Aryan antics.

That is why Rastafari is all about Emperor Haile Selassie for he was one of the few black men that not only spoke of pan Africanism but took concrete and ealistic steps to actualize the dream. That is why he is my spiritual leader and my guide...for I believe in pan Africanism just like my father his Majesty Emperor Haile Selassie!

One Nigeria! One Ethiopia! One Africa!!!
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:


We expect that Nigeria will grow to encompass the entire west Africa, as it is the only real country besides Ghana, Senegal in that region.

Does that mean you can move freely into the borders of Mauritania, Ivory Coast, Morocco, Niger, Mali et al.?
Yes, as a citizen of ECOWAS, yes, I can pass freely into those countries, and establish residency and business... And I speak from actual experience. Do you know what ECOWAS stand for? Are you really an African or South American...
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

Yes, as a citizen of ECOWAS, yes, I can pass freely into those countries, and establish residency and business... And I speak from actual experience. Do you know what ECOWAS stand for? Are you really an African or South American...

You are talking of trade agreement based on a regional economic pact, which is of course besides the point. The question is, do you suppose these other nations don't have national sovereignty, such that you would dismiss them as countries? Nigeria is one of the least stable countries in that region, and yet it is supposed to be more of a country than the more stable ones in the region?
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:

Do you know what ECOWAS stand for? Are you really an African or South American...

Yeah, if you were an attentive reader you would have known that, because I made mention of it in a previous page of this very thread, but I can see that you don't know what it is, despite the faux grandstanding of "experience". I know this, because one of the nations I mentioned were Mauritania and Morocco, none of which are part of ECOWAS. Would you still violate those countries' national borders, and not expect to face serious consequences if caught?
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:

Do you know what ECOWAS stand for? Are you really an African or South American...

Yeah, if you were an attentive reader you would have known that, because I made mention of it in a previous page of this very thread, but I can see that you don't know what it is, despite the faux grandstanding of "experience". I know this, because one of the nations I mentioned were Mauritania and Morocco, none of which are part of ECOWAS. Would you still violate those countries' national borders, and not expect to face serious consequences if caught?
You have not answered my question...are you African or south American?

Lion!
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

Yes, as a citizen of ECOWAS, yes, I can pass freely into those countries, and establish residency and business... And I speak from actual experience. Do you know what ECOWAS stand for? Are you really an African or South American...

You are talking of trade agreement based on a regional economic pact, which is of course besides the point. The question is, do you suppose these other nations don't have national sovereignty, such that you would dismiss them as countries? Nigeria is one of the least stable countries in that region, and yet it is supposed to be more of a country than the more stable ones in the region?
Again I ask you...are you really an African or a south American seeking some distraction?

You sound really naive, or very young...which one is it?

I asked you if you knew what Ecowas stood for? I did not indicate what if any country was in Ecowas.

Do you know the content of the EPA between Ecowas country and the ex-Ecowas country Mauritania? It grants free access to Ecowas countries and citizens, just as if it were an Ecowas country itself.


See below:

Nouakchott, Mauritania (PANA) - Mauritanian authorities and ECOWAS (the Economic Community of West African States) are currently in talks in Nouakchott on promoting economic relations between the country and the sub-regional organisation, official sources affirmed here Thursday.

Mauritanian foreign minister Monamed Saleck Ould Mohamed Lemine and ECOWAS executive secretary Mohamed Ibn Chambas had a working session on the issue on Wednesday afternoon, the sources said.

Both sides discussed mutual commitments under the 2003 Cotonou Convention, with a view to concluding an economic partnership agreement (EPA) by the end of this year, the Mauritanian minister said.

The signing of an EPA between Mauritania and ECOWAS at the end of 2007 should also "coincide with the end of the special dispensation granted to both parties under the World Trade Organisation (WTO) agreements, the minister added.

The EPA between Mauritania and ECOWAS will be extended by a free trade convention with the European Union.

Mauritania withdrew from ECOWAS in 1989 under former president Maaouya Ould Sid'Ahmed Taya.

Nouakchott - 16/08/2007
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:

quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

Yes, as a citizen of ECOWAS, yes, I can pass freely into those countries, and establish residency and business... And I speak from actual experience. Do you know what ECOWAS stand for? Are you really an African or South American...

You are talking of trade agreement based on a regional economic pact, which is of course besides the point. The question is, do you suppose these other nations don't have national sovereignty, such that you would dismiss them as countries? Nigeria is one of the least stable countries in that region, and yet it is supposed to be more of a country than the more stable ones in the region?
Again I ask you...are you really an African or a south American seeking some distraction?

You sound really naive, or very young...which one is it?

I asked you if you knew what Ecowas stood for? I did not indicate what if any country was in Ecowas.

Do you know the content of the EPA between Ecowas country and the ex-Ecowas country Mauritania? It grants free access to Ecowas countries and citizens, just as if it were an Ecowas country itself.

Your time-dragging question is dismissed. You have been exposed for being ignorant of the fact that ECOWAS is not only an economic community that entails diplomatic and economic agreements between "sub-Saharan" western African sovereign states, which would hence be official permission by respective states to member states for diplomatic issues such as that of immigration, but also that its [ECOWAS] membership doesn't extend to some of the countries [e.g. Morocco and Mauritania] I mentioned to you in my question, which you continue to evade. Furthermore, it is puzzling how one of least stable countries of the western African region suddenly becomes a "real" country over the more stable ones in the same region.

Nigerian "imperialism" that you envision will be not be met with other folks laying low; it is simply a fantasy.
 
Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
 
Its interesting how docile and obedient "The Explorer" is to whites and certain Africans like Yonis.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by argyle104:
Its interesting how docile and obedient "The Explorer" is to whites and certain Africans like Yonis.

The "fake Explorer" is either a hardcore Uncle Tom or he is a cheap agent of western imperalism.. a latino or a pink boy trying to engage his superiors with his strawman's argument.

Uncle Tom aka "The Explorer" should confine his-fake arse to chatting with his equals, i.e. the likes of Yoni-Yoni and 8666 idiot Eriteria bwoy.

He is not logical, not reasonable and does not sound like a person past High school level. I am here to chat with mature people and independent researchers not some immature drop-out!

Lion!
 
Posted by Yonis2 (Member # 11348) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by argyle104:
Its interesting how docile and obedient "The Explorer" is to whites and certain Africans like Yonis.

Me and Explorer have not had any exchanges at this thread or anywhere at this board lately, so as usual you talk from your behind, herpes boy, lol. That name fits you well, courtesy to the Nigerian poster, forget his name. see ya later Heerpes Boi [Wink]
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

The "fake Explorer" is either a hardcore Uncle Tom or he is a cheap agent of western imperalism.. a latino or a pink boy trying to engage his superiors with his strawman's argument.

You fucking slave-descended rastafarian fag, having your pussy whino-gathering chitchat with your stalking pansy patner. What *real* Nigerian goes around worshiping a fellow human as a supernatural being, that you call Haile Selassie?

Whose that dumbass who speaks of Nigeria as more of a "real" country, other than some field slave fucked hard in the brain by Euros? Its borders were drawn by Euros you modafucking weed munching diaper-headed rastafarian cotton picker. That dumbass fantasy of a Nigerian "imperialism" by a fake African-wannabe slave queer son of a hussy takes the cake. You are as thick in the head as diamond.



quote:

Uncle Tom aka "The Explorer" should confine his-fake arse to chatting with his equals, i.e. the likes of Yoni-Yoni and 8666 idiot Eriteria bwoy.

You should confine yourself to picking cotton on the field for yo masta. That is what you were put on this planet for. You fool no one with your buffoonery about being Nigerian, fucking crakajack field nigga.


quote:

He is not logical, not reasonable and does not sound like a person past High school level. I am here to chat with mature people and independent researchers not some immature drop-out

Go pick cotton. That's all you have IQ for doing...with guidance from yo white mastas, lioness pussy.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
QUOTE]You fucking slave-descended rastafarian fag, having your pussy whino-gathering chitchat with your stalking pansy patner. ....blah blah blah...

^^Judge now folks, the lil flirty batty bwoy called Explorer is obviously a congenital retard, as well! LoL!!! [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
Lioness pussy, how many times have you mistaken your slave pimp of a mama's pubic hair for weed? Don't you think it's about time you let go of that lice-infested forest around her pimp-vagina?
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
defiled lioness-pussy,

How much ganja does it take you to pimp up your own cotton-picking mommy?

As two zoo specimens, how much lice do you pick and eat from yo mommy's gorilla-style pubic hair; how much does yo slave hussy of mum pick and eat from you?
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
Lioness pussy, how many times have you mistaken your slave pimp of a mama's pubic hair for weed? Don't you think it's about time you let go of that lice-infested forest around her pimp-vagina?

Another sign of retarded mentality.. whatz your fear of pussy??

You are one lil homosexual school boy who hates vaginas but loves to suck cock.

You wanna go suck Yoni-Yoni, or Djehuti, or one of those old pink-white men you love to suck their wrinkled cock? Which one you gonna suck tonight??

Cock Sucker! Uncle Tom! Arse-Explorer
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
defiled lioness-pussy,

How much ganja does it take you to pimp up your own cotton-picking mommy?

As two zoo specimens, how much lice do you pick and eat from yo mommy's gorilla-style pubic hair; how much does yo slave hussy of mum pick and eat from you?

As I said, I noticed you are scared stiff of pussy you homosexual pinkie!

I am an African black man...love my ganja and my pussy.

You arse-Explorer are a homosexual gigolo, a street walking male prostitute selling his arse to old pink-white men, sucking wrinkled cock for a few pennies and dollars...

That is why you hate the Black agenda so much, you fucked up Meth seller!

Cock sucker, arse-explorer, loser!!!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
Yo pussified lioness,

If you don't behave, I'll take off that diaper that you wrap around your lowbrow brow-ridged and highly-sloped monkey head, soak it with your mama's vaginal juices and gaff you with it. No amount of weed can offer you a therapeutic remedy for that sight, you cotton-picking son of slave whore.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
Yo pussified lioness,

If you don't behave, I'll take off that diaper that you wrap around your lowbrow brow-ridged and highly-sloped monkey head, soak it with your mama's vaginal juices and gaff you with it. No amount of weed can offer you a therapeutic remedy for that sight, you cotton-picking son of slave whore.

^Yo bitch, go get fucked by your old pink male white lovers ...they are waiting... go crawl on all fours..loser

Uncle Tom! Arse Explorer! Meth Hustler!

Lion!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:


I am an African black man...

You are a confused cotton-field sissy. You are a rape mongrel son of redneck craka who raped yo cotton-picking mommy. You have no heritage other than that of being a symbol of rape.


quote:
love my ganja and my pussy.
...yeah, mama's pimp-pussy lova.

In fact, a fitting name for you would be "cotton-field oedipus", in honor of yo love fest with yo own moda's pussy.

BTW, why does you ass hole bleed so much? Easy -- You are a penis-digger. [Smile]
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:


I am an African black man...

You are a confused cotton-field sissy. You are a rape mongrel son of redneck craka who raped yo cotton-picking mommy. You have no heritage other than that of being a symbol of rape.


quote:
love my ganja and my pussy.
...yeah, mama's pimp-pussy lova.


BTW, why does you ass hole bleed so much? Easy -- You are a penis-digger. [Smile]

You insult AAs with your racism not me.

I bu ofu ewu mpama, ewu mma..! Translate that!

But I know I am right when I describe you as a penis loving homosexual, fucked deep by evey old pink-white man this side of the Eastern sea board, for you are a male whore.

A cheap homosexual giggolo!

Loser, faggot, arse-explorer!

Fire fi your heathen batty bowy arse! [Mad]

Lion!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
Yo penis-diggin' lioness,

Word is out that you have made a name for yourself > a mother urine-drinking pot-pinchin' airhead. LOL

dick of a craka beggar + pimp-pussy of a hussy = rusted lioness.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
Yo penis-diggin' lioness,

Word is out that you have made a name for yourself > a mother urine-drinking pot-pinchin' airhead. LOL

But we all agree that you love your arse being fucked by pink-white old penises, don't we all...

Faggot, loser, penis-sucker!

I say fire burn your bloooclaat batty bwoy vibes! [Mad] [Mad] [Mad]
 
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
 
IronLion The Explorer

What are you two doing ruining this thread?

There is no reason for any of you to behave like this.

Have some respect for the people who read these threads.

You both claim to be Africans yet you attack each other like age old enemies. Why not discuss your differences in a respectful manner?

I learn from both of you and I hate to see you two degrade yourselfs like this.

Let Peace reign, Unity among Africans over the web should be the first step in unifying Africa. We see Somalis like IamNomad defending Africans, and we see you two dividing Africans. Thats just sad.

Peace
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

I bu ofu ewu mpama, ewu mma..! Translate that!

Sure, why not. It reads, "I -- a very defiled lioness moron -- knows what poop tastes like better than any other. May fire burn anyone who says they know poop better than I. May my lord, my creator, my GOD, Haile Selassie be praised.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by KING:
IronLion The Explorer

What are you two doing ruining this thread?

There is no reason for any of you to behave like this.

Have some respect for the people who read these threads.

You both claim to be Africans yet you attack each other like age old enemies. Why not discuss your differences in a respectful manner?

I learn from both of you and I hate to see you two degrade yourselfs like this.

Let Peace reign, Unity among Africans over the web should be the first step in unifying Africa. We see Somalis like IamNomad defending Africans, and we see you two dividing Africans. Thats just sad.

Peace

The batty bwoy arse-explorer is not an African! He is a fucking hater faggot pretending to be otherwise...

Where does he claim to come from in Africa? He is a dwarf, a pimp, and an bloody fool!

When a little whore like that dares o raise his voice against his Majesty then we must send him back to his whoring ppimping, world...

Just like we did with 8666...

I say fire fi all the bloooooo'claat batty bwoys!!!

Fire burn arse-exploring bitch!!! [Mad] [Mad] [Mad]
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

I bu ofu ewu mpama, ewu mma..! Translate that!

Sure, why not. It reads, "I -- a very defiled lioness moron -- knows what poop tastes like better any other. May fire burn anyone who says they know poop better than I. May my lord, my creator, my GOD, Haile Selassie be praised.
No bitch!

It means your life is ticking away by the very seconds....

It says batty bwoy, batty bwoy, go down to hell!

Lieing pagan faggot!

Arse explorer, loser, in everything he does!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

The batty bwoy arse-explorer is not an African! He is a fucking hater faggot pretending to be otherwise...

Yo lioness, our dishonorable penis-massaging princess, this is slave talk. Years of slave abuse makes you question the *real* Africans. Weed only adds to your problem. Drop the ganja, and join the real world.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

The batty bwoy arse-explorer is not an African! He is a fucking hater faggot pretending to be otherwise...

Yo lioness, our dishonorable penis-massaging princess, this is slave talk. Years of slave abuse makes you question the *real* Africans. Weed only adds to your problem. Drop the ganja, and join the real world.
Oh shut the **** up and get off the penis you are ridding you cheap male whore.

You are not an African, you are one pretending bastard. Get lost with your lies.

Onye oshi! Oloriburuku!

Fire fi your lieing whoring arse!
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
The Curse of the IronLion Against the Homosexual Pretender Loser otherwise called Arsehole-Explorer

Ihe di ne elu meshi gi ike
ihe di na ana meshi gi ike
Afo to kwa gi,
ibi da kwa gi,
I gari ida fu, ka aku fulu na oku

Take that!

IronLion!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
You nag on and on about batty bwoy this and batty bwoy that, but isn't that what yo whole life is all about, batty bwoy diva? Isn't your purpose and very being dedicated to uniting with yo lord, i.e. by becoming the personal batty whipped-ass toy bwoy of yo creator and lord in ganja "heaven", Haile Selassie?
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
You nag on and on about batty bwoy this and batty bwoy that, but isn't that what yo whole life is all about, batty bwoy diva? Isn't your purpose and very being dedicated to uniting with yo lord, i.e. by becoming the personal batty whipped-ass toy bwoy of yo creator and lord in ganja "heaven", Haile Selassie?

Batty bowy, batty bwoy, go done to hell!

You are a loser, a faggot, and a whore...
Go play with your types
Rasta don't deal with Batty boys

Batty boy, batty boy go down to hell!

Explorer, are you or are you not a batty boy?

Lion!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
Yo lioness, you had better get some fag sexually iron yo spida web-ridden fuckhole real quick with a good rigid fuckstick, and turn you into the ironed lioness that you deserve to be? Can we agree on that?
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Arsehole-Explorer

We wait for your answer. Are you or are you not a batty bwoy??? The entire board awaits your response!

Lion!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
The entire world is waiting for your word: How about we prep you into the ironed lioness that you so deserve to be? What fuckstick size fits yo but, and voila, we will hook you up with the right fag partner. [Wink]

Wait a minute, why look any further than yo queer crush who slobbers and cheerleads after you like one who just lost some tampons, "our great male fucka 101"? That way, the fag can stop stalking others everywhere and stay true to you, and only you. What a great love story that would make, don't you think?
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Yo Bitch,

We asked you: "Are you Arse-hole Explorer not a batty man?". No response. Time out.

So we take your silence as assent.

Batty bwoy! Faggot! Cock sucker!

Case closed.

Now go find other batty bwoys like yourself to chat with...

Again we say, fire burn all batty bwoys like arsehole explorer..
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Lieing Bitch, aka Arse Explorer

I set down two African langauages in writing here. I saw nothing in response from your cock loving fake, "I wannabe an African" arse.

You have no African language? You think French is an African language?

You are a fake homosexual bastard, fooling the folks on ES that you are an African.

Batty Bwoy!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
Here's the deal, yo unironed-lioness but who urgently needs to be ironed [sexually] real quick:

You were/are supposed to be confined to yo zoo cage as we speak; civilized discussion among adults is not yo Forté. Get back into yo cage, and we will have no more problems. A deal?
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
Here's the deal, yo unironed-lioness but who urgently needs to be ironed [sexually] real quick:

You were/are supposed to be confined to yo zoo cage as we speak; civilized discussion among adults is not yo Forté. Get back into yo cage, and we will have no more problems. A deal?

Batty boy... who is the lucky guy for you tonight?

Will Larry King, or Pope Boniface XVI or another old pink-white bwoy be fondling your balls tonight???

Some posters I rspect feel I am being too hard on you tonight. That is because you were such an idiot to start with. But I could let you off..

I will let you off if you write out an apology in an African language.

Next time you learn to respect your elders. Young foolish rascal...
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
I see; we aren't fooled by your drama queen episodes of distracting us from yo real desires. So, you are really eyeing larry king or pope boniface to fill yo ass hole up real good, aren't ya?

Wrinkled up craka penis is yo thang. Why didn't you just come out and say so. Ain't no crime in that, our batty princess.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
First you claim I love pussy...I admited that I loved pussy. I am a big black man, and I cannot help loving pussy.

But I outed your homosexual angst..you little whore, and now bitch...we have you cornered.

You are the bitch for old pink-white men which is why you feel courageous enough to insult the vaginas of black African women in diaspora and at home.

Only a cock sucking batty bwoy like you would dare curse the pussy of a black woman.

Thatz why I keep calling you the batty bowy. Who is gonna do you tonight, hoe? Old wrinkled pinkies like Pope Boniface 16th, or Larry King??? Who gonna do you tonight?
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

First you claim I love pussy...

Uhem, that would be yo mama's pimp-pussy, not an ordinary well-kept, clean pussy. Yo slave mind is working wonders, NOT.

Cotton-picking airheads like you have gone through too much slave abuse on the mind. You don't know wrong from right, and so yo like to screw yo own mommies, yet lust for wrinkled up dicks up yo butt. No mystery; we are just dealing with a twisted mind that years of slave punishment on feeble minds can do to an already-natural intellectual and sexual lightweight. Ganja and dope only compound yo disability. Case point: a long dead mere mortal is yo "creator", yo lord.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

First you claim I love pussy...

Uhem, that would be yo mama's pimp-pussy, not an ordinary well-kept, clean pussy. Yo slave mind is working wonders, NOT....etc... Blah balh balh....rd.
I feel so sorry reading your idiotic garble. I presume you do not notice how iincomprehensible you come across. That is why no-one reads your idiotic website...good writing stupid...good writing prowess is what you lack.

One can easily see that English is not your first language. You can write in french if you feel that would help your expression...I can read that too!

Yet, we note that you have not written any thing in any African language though you claim to be a fake arse-exploring African. You are cornered bitch, you are cornered. You must write in one African language to back up your fake arse claims.

Put up or shut up, you disgustingly irritating batty boy, and cock sucker!!!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

Only a cock sucking batty bwoy like you would dare curse the pussy of a black woman.

^Funny, but in all seriousness, it would actually be criminal of me, if I did not intervene and dared not curse that junked up pussy of yo mom's, which has outlived its maximum threshold of stress -- you know, from the good ol' free-for-all pumpin' and pullin'. LOL
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

First you claim I love pussy...

Uhem, that would be yo mama's pimp-pussy, not an ordinary well-kept, clean pussy. Yo slave mind is working wonders, NOT.

Cotton-picking airheads like you have gone through too much slave abuse on the mind. ... a twisted mind that years of slave punishment on feeble minds ...

Child of slave traders!

And the punishment for the sins of your wretched slave raiding ancestors have caused you to become a Cock sucker...a hoe...and a male bitch!

Who is fuching your arse tonight Arse-Explorer?
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

Only a cock sucking batty bwoy like you would dare curse the pussy of a black woman.

^Funny, but in all seriousness, it would actually be criminal of me, if I did not intervene and dared not curse that junked up pussy of yo mom's, which has outlived its maximum threshold of stress -- you know, from the good ol' free-for-all pumpin' and pullin'. LOL
Funny, but have you noticed how many times tonight that you cursed pussy? Do you fear the vaginas?

Have you counted how many times you cursed black women? Do you hate your own mother too?

But you have not said one bad word concerning cock...nor old pink-white cocks, nor fondling of your balls by men...why?

You have not cursed one pink-white man tonight, but you have cursed the memory of all the fields slaves who made it possible for you to even be on the Internet...why?

That is why I call you a bitch, every faggots' hoe, and a cock sucker!

Batty bwoy, batty bwoy, go down to hell!

Lion! [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

I feel so sorry reading your idiotic garble. I presume you do not notice how iincomprehensible you come across. That is why no-one reads your idiotic website...good writing stupid...good writing prowess is what you lack.

Yet you care. It is the slave mind talking.

Since when does a cotton-picker know how to put an alphabet together, let alone know what makes good writing?


quote:

One can easily see that English is not your first language. You can write in french if you feel that would help your expression...

Ahuh! This is evidence that you know it was the slave mind talking when you tried to question a *real* African. Of course, it makes sense, because English is not a primary African language. What is your's; the broken version of pidgin talk?

For those who miss the irony here, is that English-derived pidgin is already broken English, yet our rusted queer lioness screws even that up.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by IronLion:

I feel so sorry reading your idiotic garble. I presume you do not notice how iincomprehensible you come across. That is why no-one reads your idiotic website...good writing stupid...good writing prowess is what you lack.

Yet you care. It is the slave mind talking.

Since when does a cotton-picker know how to put an alphabet together, let alone know what makes good writing?
quote:


Well was I the person begging for attention in the thread on Glory days of ES? Plese rid mi site, plese reid ma cite??

You begging for your male lovers to come fawn over your website? It is a trashy piece of garbage. I said check the traffic stats and cry, check it an ask why: LOL!!!

The reason why you are reduced to begging for traffic is that you do not have writing prowess! You do not have expressiveness! You are too verbose and superficial! Inshort you are fake.

A failed wannabe web techincian, a failed wannabe Africano Latino, a failed lier.

That is why I call you a hoe, a cock sucker, and a batty bwoy!!!

Fire fi all batty bwoys! [Mad]
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

Well was I the person begging for attention in the thread on Glory days of ES? Plese rid mi site, plese reid ma cite??

Unironed fuckhead, I was not the one who mentioned it. This would have been understood, had your slave mind been able to put any two alphabets together. You only demonstrate by your actions, everything I say about you, and right to a tee.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Arsehole Explorer

Again I warn you, I am a Rastaman, I don't play with hoes.

If your menustral pains are making you bitchy then take it to your boyfriend to deal with.

For me, I burn all batty man and bitches! I doan even want friend wid unu!

Take your dirty arse and go find your equal!

Bush boy!
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

Well was I the person begging for attention in the thread on Glory days of ES? Plese rid mi site, plese reid ma cite??

Unironed fuckhead, I was not the one who mentioned it. blah...blah..baaa, and right to a tee.
What is the homo-bitch whining? Hoe, come on go advertise yourself pon your gay sites...batty boy..go to your gay dating sites and seek men's attention...and leave ES alone

Fuching hoe, cock sucker, loser!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

Funny, but have you noticed how many times tonight that you cursed pussy? Do you fear the vaginas?

Yo haile selassie's dick-clinga. There is a difference between that pimp pussy of yo mom's and healthy vagina. If you were able to put together just a few alphabets, instead of just being adept at being whipped into picking cotton, you'd realize that it is yo sexuality that is being cursed. Now, be gone...back to the field.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

Funny, but have you noticed how many times tonight that you cursed pussy? Do you fear the vaginas?

Yo haile selassie's dick-clinga. blah balh blah...whipped into picking cotton, you'd realize that it is yo sexuality that is being cursed. Now, be gone...back to the field.
You are so mad at me tonight because I represent the virility of all the men who came and fucked your harlot mother in the cave where she gave birth to your ugly butts...

Which is why you are so messed up. You saw so many penis enter and exit your mothers vagina that you became a vagina hater...yeah?

Now you are just one fuched up batty boy!

A cock sucker, a male stripper, an adult entertainer for old pink cocks.

Batty boy, batty boy, go down to hell!!!
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

Funny, but have you noticed how many times tonight that you cursed pussy? Do you fear the vaginas?

Yo haile selassie's dick-clinga. There is a difference between that pimp pussy of yo mom's and healthy vagina. If you were able to put together just a few alphabets, instead of just being adept at being whipped into picking cotton, you'd realize that it is yo sexuality that is being cursed. Now, be gone...back to the field.
Bitch

Answer me! Do you fear any or all viginas? Be specific, and don't be evasive with your lil batty bwoy arse....

Now answer!

Thanks

Lion!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

What is the homo-bitch whining? Hoe, come on go advertise yourself pon your gay sites...batty boy..go to your gay dating sites and seek men's attention...and leave ES alone

Fuching hoe, cock sucker, loser!

And it is plain to see what it is that you advertise yourself as: an amateur liar, fraud, charlatan, idiot, moron, etc -- meaning that you are not even skillful at lying. It's a hilarious sight to see you carry yourself as though lying yo big fat ass off is the only way for you to gain ground in any intellectual way. This is further indication that you do not even have the necessary IQ to wipe yo own buttocks after going to the toilet. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

What is the homo-bitch whining? Hoe, come on go advertise yourself pon your gay sites...batty boy..go to your gay dating sites and seek men's attention...and leave ES alone

Fuching hoe, cock sucker, loser!

And it is plain to see what it is that you advertise yourself as: an amateur liar, fraud, charlatan, idiot, moron, etc -- meaning that you are not even skillful at lying. It's a hilarious sight to see you carry yourself as though lying yo big fat ass off is the only way for you to gain ground in any intellectually way. This is further indication that you do not even have the necessary IQ to wipe yo own buttocks after going to the toilet. [Big Grin]
Stop whinning hoe, stop crying or I will be forced to give you a white handkerchief to dry your crocodile tears.

But don't get the wrong idea...I am a Rastaman...I doan like batty bwoys... I am not your friend! I do not like your thoughts!

If you need attention, then go over to your Gay dating sites you Cock Sucker before I reveal all your private business on this site!

Cock sucker, loser, stinking hoe!

How dare you mess with a Rastaman?

Fire for you batty boy, fire fi you and all your gay batty boy dating sites!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

You are so mad at me tonight

Well, if I am so mad, that you must be psychotically berserk and off yo marbles, as it is you who started off with this childish rant on name-calling contest, when you were confronted with legitimate on-topic questions too hard for yo brain to compute. You make my "madness" look like a child's play.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

You are so mad at me tonight

Well, if I am so mad, that you must be psychotically berserk and off yo marbles, as it is you who started off with this childish rant on name-calling contest, when you were confronted with legitimate on-topic questions too hard for yo brain to compute. You make my "madness" look like a child's play.
You are a bitch, a batty bwoy, a cock sucker...nothing else...

Go to your pink-white bwoy and go down on all fours, you lost soul...go!

Go away to your batty bwoy site!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
See, you are like a faggoty puppet whose strings are so easy to pull, and validate people's assessment of you. I said you were a queer drama queen bitch, and right on que, you got into yo mini skirt and started naggin' and cursin' without delay.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
See, you are like a faggoty puppet whose strings are so easy to pull, and validate people's assessment of you. I said you were a queer drama queen bitch, and right on que, you got into yo mini skirt and started naggin' and cursin' without delay.

Rashole,

Take your fuching arse-explorer idiocy and go suck some Afrikaneer cock!

You a one blood clat pagan!

You think you can come and disrespect me with you attention seeking antics and not get burnt and unmasked?

When you come to the Lion! be prepared for what you bring on!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
Yo rusty lioness, waiting to be ironed,

Do you still wear your bugs bunny decorated baggy loony tune girlie boxer shorts?
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
Yo rusty lioness, waiting to be ironed,

Do you still wear your bugs bunny decorated baggy loony tune girlie boxer shorts?

LOL...you are one foolish hoe! I will post your pictures next...

You know the ones you don't like... [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

Rashole

As eloquent as a cotton-picker who cannot put a couple of alphabets together. The word is "asshole". Thinking is not your forte.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

Rashole

As eloquent as a cotton-picker who cannot put a couple of alphabets together. The word is "asshole". Thinking is not your forte.
Sorry Asshole! I accept that you will know the spelling of your name better than my poor self. Sorry. What is your last name?

Mr. Asshole what? Mr. Asshole Rashole? or Mr. Asshole Rasol? Pardon my spelling again... [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
Sorry Asshole! I accept that you will know the spelling of your name better than my poor self. Sorry. What is your last name?

Mr. Asshole what?

How about try yo god, Haile Selassie. That is my name. I am yo mortal god who arose from the dead. It is the second coming in ganja land. LOL.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Asshole Explorer

You like ganjah? They call it daga in your place, I believe? You smoke it...you seem to know so much about it???
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

Mr. Asshole what? Mr. Asshole Rashole? or Mr. Asshole Rasol? Pardon my spelling again... [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

Yo frantic editing tells me you must be psychologically scarred for life by this "Rasol", who no longer even posts here. His name will forever be immortal, unlike yo god, buried in a shyt hole.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:

Mr. Asshole what? Mr. Asshole Rashole? or Mr. Asshole Rasol? Pardon my spelling again... [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

Yo frantic editing tells me you must be psychologically scarred for life by this "Rasol", who no longer even posts here. His name will forever be immortal, unlike yo god, buried in a shyt hole.
LOL!

Touche! [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

Now answer me Mr. Asshole Rashole:

Do you like Ganjah? If not why?

Are you afraid of vaginas? If yes, why?
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
You are observant when you say that I'm afraid of yo mom's pussy. Who in their sane mind wouldn't? A lot of junk has been put in and out of that tunnel, if you know what I mean.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
You are observant when you say that I'm afraid of yo mom's pussy. Who in their sane mind wouldn't? A lot of junk has been put in and out of that tunnel, if you know what I mean.

You are afraid of vaginas Mr. Arsehole Rashole aka Exploring Arse..

That is why I call you:

A cock sucker, a loser, an adult entertainer for old pink-white bwoys.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
And batty bwoy aka Exploring arse

Do you like Daga? or you prefer Afrikaaner wines made by your Afrikaaner men-lovers?
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
Pussyhead,

I can't stress this enough. Yor are a lowly slave dork useful for only one thing: getting directions in cotton-picking.

This simple concept below will not compute, if you don't have the skill to put a couple of alphabets together.

Yo mom's fuckhole = bad, horrible, nasty, stank, etc.

Yo mom's fuckhole, i.e. pimp slave fuckhole is the antithesis of *real* vagina.

These two are worlds apart. What slave dork language can communicate into your heavy brow ridge dense skull?
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
Pussyhead,

I can't stress this enough. Yor are a lowly slave dork useful for only one thing: getting directions in cotton-picking.

This simple concept below will not compute, if you don't have the skill to put a couple of alphabets together.

Yo mom's fuckhole = bad, horrible, nasty, stank, etc.

Yo mom's fuckhole, i.e. pimp slave fuckhole is the antithesis of *real* vagina.

These two are worlds apart. What slave dork language can communicate into your heavy brow ridge dense skull?

OK. But do you love other pussies...like the nice and fresh smelling ones?? Do you love any pussy at all my South Afrikaner batty boy poster...please tell me...do you love any pussy at all

Lion!
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
No answer? Common Arsehole Rashole, answer the question one way or the other. Be a man for once instead of a bitch...
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
fucking slave-plantation dyke, I'd keep an eye on the rabies spreading on yo clit. I understand you have this fantasy about suckling on wrinkled up old crackasian nutsacks; recall Larry King? Tell me more about it, lie-on-a-dick (LiOnAdick).
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
You are a pussy hating gay then!!!

Folks you heard the bitch yourselves, he is a black pussy hating gay!

Several times Arsehole Rashole aka the Exploring arse admited under questioning his misogynism and vagina fear....

The next issue is to find out why?

Why do you fear women Rashole? Please answer!
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
fucking slave-plantation dyke, ...; recall Larry King?

Sure I recall Larry King. He looks like one of your favourite lovers whose picture we lifted when we hacked your cheap two-penny idiotic site...

Yes, that and your cowering before all things pink-white, could only come from your submissive sexual encounters with Afrikaaner Boer men!

Cheap ho!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

Well, what's holding you back, re: yo infactuation with wrinkled up "pinkoid" dicks of old folks like Larry King?
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
LiOnAdick,

Well, what's holding you back, re: yo infactuation with wrinkled up "pinkoid" dicks of old folks like Larry King?

So why do you hate women and pussy so much as you pretty much admitted in this conversation???

Is it to do with seeing what big bad black men did to your mother?

Is that why you are so gaaay???
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick

You are a cowardly slave fag. Answer my question or go lie on a dick, like yo namesake. LOL
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
LiOnAdick

You are a cowardly slave fag. Answer my question.

Asshole Rashole, aka Exploring shithole, you, your cheap website, and all your family are just some sell-outs, sucking the cock of your Afrikaner boy-friends...

I leave you with that, sell-out! And the curse I put on you earlier in my mother tongue. You will soon be switching names and sites in a hurry...

Lion! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

Between you and yo mom, who is a bigger pussy? You are of course.

Drop the cowardly jive slave chick whinin'. Be a man and just answer my question.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
LiOnAdick,

Between you and yo mom, who is a bigger pussy? You are of course.

Batty boy Arsehole Rashole aka Exploring Shithole, I told you I would unmask you, I did so tonight.

Next version...I will also unfold your activities at the Gay Dating Sites with old Afrikaaner men...

Pity you cannot get Ausar to ban me now can you, batty boy?
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

What is yo second job after picking cotton for free? lying on yo masta's dick, you slave-breeded pansy.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Yo Bitch

You tripped your cover by seeking my attention too much. Realizing your batty bwoy vibes were the same even though the names were different, I did a little bit more digital sleuthing and bang...

It was you: the old whore, hoe and male prostitute, Asshole Rashole aka Exploring Shithole. You are in pure hell now!

Pity you cannot connive with your boyfriend Djehuti, and Yonis to ban me now can you, batty bwoy, can you?
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
Yo LiOnAdick slave,

What is yo mom's fuckhole a "gold mine" for? Creepy crawly lice. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
Yo LiOnAdick slave,

What is yo mom's fuckhole a "gold mine" for? Creepy crawly lice. [Big Grin]

You are the batty boy son of my former south African mistress...

You mother was good to me, in all ways, god bless her soul. But you son, you are one messed Bitch!

You turned out:

a batty boy, a cock sucker, adult entertainer for male Afrikaaner Boers
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick slave dork,

Whom do you share yo bed with in yo horse barn slave quarters? Bed bugs.

Don't let the bed's bugs "bunnies" bite. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
And with that, I sign off for bed. The rest of the week will be us batty boy.

The battle we began four years ago wherein you cowered behind Ausar and got him to ban me, that battle will now be done!

Little flirting bitch... your time has come. the IronLion has come to take your sinful arse off the place!

Batty boy, hoe, Asshole Rashole aka Exploring Shithole...fire fi your bloooclaat arse itinually!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

What makes you sleep so soundly in yo horse barn slave quarters? The sound of crickets in the hay right by you. LOL

Okay, fo real: don't let the bed "bunnies" bite

Sincerely,

From The Explorer. [Wink]
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
LiOnAdick slave dork,

Whom do you share yo bed with in yo horse barn slave quarters? Bed bugs.

[Big Grin]

Not bed-bugs always...but for many years with your loving mother, may the gods bless her kind soul. She was soooo gooood to me in soooo many waaays...lol!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

You are confusing yo mom for some other. You love to screw yo own mom left and right, up and down. Remember, you ain't called the "cotton-field oedipus" for nothin'.
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LiOnAdick:


The battle we began four years ago wherein you cowered behind Ausar and got him to ban me, that battle will now be done!

You really are trying to make a name for yo self as a liar like a rejected chick who has some vendetta to settle. Only thing is you are not skillful at even that. Yo sexually jacked slave ass is pretending to have me confused with someone (apparently "Rasol") who will live in yo mind longer than yo "god" was able to live on earth and is now all but buried in a shithole. You know better. Yo life, or better lifelessness, must really be screwed.
 
Posted by Yonis2 (Member # 11348) on :
 
Oh NO this is Horrible, i demand you to STOP this madness....whenever you're done.

Try keeping it balanced, no one likes extreme behaviour.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by LiOnAdick:


The battle we began four years ago wherein you cowered behind Ausar and got him to ban me, that battle will now be done!

You really are trying to make a name for yo self as a liar like a rejected chick who has some vendetta to settle. Only thing is you are not skillful at even that. Yo sexually jacked slave ass is pretending to have me confused with someone (apparently "Rasol") ....blah ...blah blah...be screwed.
Rasolowitz the Great Jew

Asshole Rashole aka the Exploring Asshole...

I recall how nice your poor mother was to settling my needs... You are still mad at me cause I fuched your mother while you wished you were me?

Is that why you became a batty hole kisser?

Harlot, hoe, male prostitute!!!

Batty bwoy, batty bwoy, go down to hell! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Yonis2 (Member # 11348) on :
 
^^

Hey you, stop this nonsense, no one is impressed. Haile sellasie his majesty midget would be ashamed of you and your juvenile behaviour.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Yoni-Yoni

You here to defended your lover after my destruction of his batty bwoy arse?

OK. You thin-legged-refugee-Smaali camel fucher, I can take you on and destroy you just like I did with your lover Asshole Rashole aka Exploring Shithole!

Yonis the camel lover, you wanna bring it on??? The only shame you feel is that I am here to expose your pink-white bwoy loving arse!

Lion!
 
Posted by Yonis2 (Member # 11348) on :
 
Bring it on biyaatch [Cool]

I chew Rastamans on breakfast and spit them out on dinner.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Yonis2:
Bring it on biyaatch [Cool]

I chew Rastamans on breakfast and spit them out on dinner.

LoL. Go ride your favorite camel, Smaali nomad, run away...shushh...LoL...
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

I'll forcefully stretch that mini winnie of yo craka klux klan dad's and then use it as wire chord to whip yo cotton-field ass.
 
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
And you see why I hardly ever post in this section anymore. If the trolls aren't having a field-day then usually more sensible posters are having fights.
 
Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
 
Djehuti,


What are your thoughts on "The Explorers" racist attacks on Diasporic and so called "west" Africans.


Are you against it? Are you for it?
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
LiOnAdick,

I'll forcefully stretch that mini winnie of yo craka klux klan dad's and then use it as wire chord to whip yo cotton-field ass.

Why you wanna beat me up? Because I fuched your mother, the gods bless her good works...

She was goooood to me! She deserved all the dick I gave her!

It seems that the nights I spent at your Mama's messed up your head and turned you into a male hoe...

Batty bwoy, godless pig, infidel pederast!
 
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 
Selassie may not have considered himself black being brainwashed by colonialists like other leaders then and now, but his direct descendants some who are now living in the cities of the U.S. certainly consider themselves part to the black community.


Why has the conversation and language here degenerated into something like that of your average American prison cell. No offense to prisoners. [Confused]
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
Selassie may not have considered himself black being brainwashed by colonialists like other leaders then and now, but his direct descendants some who are now living in the cities of the U.S. certainly consider themselves part to the black community.

Dana

As a scholar, please post one quotation of Selassie where he "considered himself not black"..

I expect scholars to back up all their comments.

Thanks

Lion!
 
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
Selassie may not have considered himself black being brainwashed by colonialists like other leaders then and now, but his direct descendants some who are now living in the cities of the U.S. certainly consider themselves part to the black community.

Dana

As a scholar, please post one quotation of Selassie where he "considered himself not black"..

I expect scholars to back up all their comments.

Thanks

Lion!

I don't ever remember saying he didn't and my memory is not that bad. If you can find a time where I ever said he did please feel free because I just might have the onset of alzheimers . You never know at my age.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
quote:

quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
Selassie may not have considered himself black being brainwashed by colonialists like other leaders then and now, ....



Did I miss read your comments above?
 
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
Selassie may not have considered himself black being brainwashed by colonialists like other leaders then and now, but his direct descendants some who are now living in the cities of the U.S. certainly consider themselves part to the black community.

Dana

As a scholar, please post one quotation of Selassie where he "considered himself not black"..

I expect scholars to back up all their comments.

Thanks

Lion!

on the other hand if you want to know where that is implied you'd have to go back to the person that posted this and named it like he did.

Here is the article from the original or first poster.


http://www.madote.com/2010/03/were-ethiopian-leaders-colonialist.html

from the original or first poster.

And don't neglect to read down to this part:

"Menelik himself even stated that he was a 'Caucasian'. This non-African identity was also stated by Haile Selassie.


'I am not a Negro at all; I am a Caucasian' the Emperor Menelik told the West Indian pan-Africanist Benito Sylvian who had come to Addis Ababa to solicit the Emperor's leadership in a society for the 'Amelioration of the Negro race.' Haile Sellassie confirmed that view in a declaration to Chief H. O. Davis, a well known Nigerian nationalist, stating that the Ethiopians did not regard themselves as Africans, but as 'a mixed Hamito-Semitic people (2006, John H. Spencer, p. 306)"

It is well known that Ethiopians like many Africans didn't consider themselves "Negro" whatever that means, and were taught about the hamitic theory which is why it is not possibly to find more than one or two books naming Ethiopians or Cushites as a kind of "Negro", before the 1990s. I don't think even National Geographic would have made that comment!
 
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
quote:

quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
Selassie may not have considered himself black being brainwashed by colonialists like other leaders then and now, ....



Did I miss read your comments above?
Yes. Because as is suggested by the word "may" there is nothing to suggest that what you said I said is true unless one takes the sentence out of context.

He may or may not have. I personally wouldn't know.
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

You press on yo mom's fuckhole like a toothpaste tube when you are lickin' blood clot from it. Y'al are so trash poor that y'al cannot afford real tampons, and instead yo slutty mouth becomes her tampons.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
LiOnAdick,

You press on yo mom's fuckhole like a toothpaste tube when you are lickin' blood clot from it. Y'al are so trash poor that y'al cannot afford real tampons, and instead yo slutty mouth becomes her tampons.

Batty bwoy you sound frustrated... "Larry King" your old Afrikaneer dismissed you last night without giving you some dick?

Batty bwoy, batty bwoy, then go down to Jo-bourg go look some cheap cock to suck! That will calm you down

Sucker! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

You recycle worms that come outta yo ass, by pulling it outta yo fat anus and then putting it right back into yo facehole [which yet has another function: sucking erected sticks of other men].
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
quote:

quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
Selassie may not have considered himself black being brainwashed by colonialists like other leaders then and now, ....



Did I miss read your comments above?
Yes. Because as is suggested by the word "may" there is nothing to suggest that what you said I said is true unless one takes the sentence out of context.

He may or may not have. I personally wouldn't know.

Well it is better to be sure before venturing gratuitious comments especially where there are numerous sources that you can easily google up ...

I find it a stretch though that such a point would be unsettled with you gven that the dreadest of the anti-imperalist, black supremacist soldiers are die hard Selassie followers? I mean the Rastas...

Why would a black supremacist group like Rastas, influential as they are look for a according to you probably "...brainwashed African leader..."

Why would Rastas having rejected a white god turn around to accept another "white" god as their black supremacist deity?

Does it even start to make sense Dana...unless somehow you think that Rastas are not credible. But having shed our blood in this project, ...our credibility is established beyond question.

Selassie is the Black man and woman saviour, that we all saw.

Lion!
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
LiOnAdick,

You recycle worms that come outta yo ass, by pulling it outta yo fat anus and then putting it right back into yo facehole [which yet has another function: sucking erected sticks of other men].

Heeheehee LOL!!!

Batty bwoy,

So what happened to your Afrikaneer fuchk-master, sex dominator, ..the one you told me would be tearing you apart last night?

It seems like he did not want you again. Did he send you to sleep with the dogs??

Is that why you are so frustrated today?

cause you are really whinning like a bitch on heat...tonight [Big Grin]
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAfuckstick,

What turns you on? Ans: Peeing and cumming in yo gigantic nut-blowjobbing face hole. Fucking pussy wussy.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
LiOnAfuckstick,

What turns you on? Ans: Peeing and cumming in yo gigantic nut-blowjobbing face hole. Fucking pussy wussy.

You know me Shithole Explorer...

I love your mama's vaginas. That is my turn on. She was gooood to me, sweeeet woman, good bless her soul.

How come you are nothin like her good christian heart. Nice black cock loving woman like that to give birth to a mutilated, mentally demented retard like your Shithole...

Wonders!

Yes, but I love your mom's vaginas...

Is that why you are a Batty Bwoy?
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

Your asshole hangs out from your back like a beetroot-looking cocoon. Is it a mystery that you also look like a certain lice-picking zoo exhibitionist specimen?
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
LiOnAdick,

Your asshole hangs out from your back like a beetroot-looking cocoon. Is it a mystery that you also look like a certain lice-picking zoo exhibitionist specimen?

The dick I used to give your mother to suckh and to fcuck was also big like the South African Zulu plant beetroot ...lol!

She loved it anyhow! The whole 12 inches...

Is that why you turned a Batty boy and a cock sucker?

Batty bwoy, batty bwoy, jus go on down to Jo-burg and you will surely get Dick tonight...

That should calm your whoring batty boy skittishness... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

What do you do when no human male takers are around for yo sexual pleasure? Ans: Lie on yo crakamasta's pet dog's flees-ridden dick for a ride. Fucking dogburner, people therefore don't call you a LiOnAdick for nothing.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Batty bwoy

Three things are now clear:

That the real spelling of your name is Asshole as you corrected me lastnight.

Your mother was my south African native girl past-time (I suspect that fuckhed up your head).

That your are just a man-servant sexually abused by your Afrikaaner dominators and masters...

Batty bwoy, est-ce-que tu es en accorde?
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAnEjaculator,

What did you give yo father for a christmas present? Ans: His cut-off dick (you know, the mini winnie) and a nice salivary lick of his ass with yo troglodyte tongue.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Batty Bwoy Explorer:
LiOnAdick,

don't call you a LiOnAdick for nothing.

Fuching whoring batty bwoy..

You are even begging for my dick too! You want the Lion's dick.... for what? To suck?

You are a fuching godless pervert... cock sucker.

Rasta doan like Batty bwoys. Fire fi your asshole batty bwoy!

My dick is only for your mother...god bless her soul...
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

You've lost all but yo single weed-chewing buck tooth to treating penises with yo ever elastic mouth. Here is a mathematical question to stump yo neanderthal skull with: At what point does yo mouth break, beyond its elasticity? Fucking cumsucking slut.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:
Originally posted by The Batty Bwoy Explorer:
LiOnAdick,

don't call you a LiOnAdick for nothing.

Fuching whoring batty bwoy..

You are even begging for my dick too! You want the Lion's dick.... for what? To suck?

You are a fuching godless pervert... cock sucker.

Rasta doan like Batty bwoys. Fire fi your asshole batty bwoy!

My dick is only for your mother...god bless her soul...

Asshole Explorer

I said you are one damn pervert to be begging for my Dick in subliminal language! You are one fucked up pervert...

Hoe, cock sucker, batty boy,...

My dick is not for you. It is for your mother's vaginas.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Batty Bwoy Explorer:
[qb] LiOnAdick,

don't call you a LiOnAdick for nothing.

Fuching whoring batty bwoy..


Fucking whoring batty boy hailing up the Lion's dick! Rasta does not fuch batty asshole.

Your batty is for dog dicks.

My dick is for your mother only...and maybe your half-sister. [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

You know why you nicknamed yo mom "noodles"? Ans: Because you pick worms crawling all over her vagina to make yo evenings' hot noodle soup.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
LiOnAdick,

You know why you nicknamed yo mom "noodles"? Ans: Because you pick worms crawling all over her vagina to make yo evenings' hot noodle soup.

Wrong...I saw the worms first wriggle in your mother's pussy...

I took them off. Never cooked anything with them.

I wiped off your poor South African mother's pussy, took off the worms, put on my condoms and gave her the bang of her life!

Is that why you hate me so? Sorry!

Is that why you are a batty bwoy? Well that one is your problem...
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

Yo faggoty lifestyle is the direct outcome of yo fatherlessness childhood. Yo slave-crakamasta/father turned his back on yo mongrel crakajigaboo ass. This is why you don't know what to do with yourself in discussions between civilized beings; rather, you react like a zoo creature. Fucking zoo troglodyte.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
LiOnAdick,

And don't beg my dick, you twisted pervert, cause you ain't getting it.

Batty boy, batty boy, you are addicted to cock sucking!
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
LiOnAdick,

Yo faggoty lifestyle is the direct outcome of yo fatherlessness childhood. Yo slave-crakamasta/father turned his back on yo mongrel crakajigaboo ass. This is why you don't know what to do with yourself in discussions between civilized beings; rather, you react like a zoo creature. Fucking zoo troglodyte.

Batty bwoy

Still begging for attention? Begging for a dick for tonight?

I say go down to Jo-borg tonight, and you will get your Afrikaaner dominator/sex master to give you his dick to suck.
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

Because you come from a long line of cum guzzlin' queens by genealogical heritage, yo functionless mini winnie is now just a vestigial organ.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
The Asshole Explorer

Booo hooo here comes some vaginas...run and hide!

Pussy hating batty bwoy!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

You know why else you are so fucking queer? You used to mistake yo dad's winnie for a breast, pressing on it and putting it into yo mouth with yo eyes closed, you know -- for "milk" extraction. I guess one can say you were "milking" yo dad. He he.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Batty bwoy

Asshole Exp-lorer

Why you fraid of vagina? Because I was doing your mother?

Is that why you are a batty bwoy? Is that why you cuss black women's pussy?

You mad at me cause you caught me fuching your mother? She was begging for it and I gave it to her. God bless her sweeet waist, she was nice to me!

Oh don't be soo mad batty bwoy...don't feel sooo messed up.

Batty boy, batty bwoy, just go down to Jo-burg and get fuched in your ass by your Boer Afrikanner sex-masters. That should make you come!

Ungrateful wretched south african homosexual! [Mad] Is that why you claim to be liberal?

Batty bwoy, batty bwoy go down a hell! [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
Selassie may not have considered himself black being brainwashed by colonialists like other leaders then and now, but his direct descendants some who are now living in the cities of the U.S. certainly consider themselves part to the black community.

Dana

As a scholar, please post one quotation of Selassie where he "considered himself not black"..

I expect scholars to back up all their comments.

Thanks

Lion!

on the other hand if you want to know where that is implied you'd have to go back to the person that posted this and named it like he did.

Here is the article from the original or first poster.


http://www.madote.com/2010/03/were-ethiopian-leaders-colonialist.html

from the original or first poster.

And don't neglect to read down to this part:

"Menelik himself even stated that he was a 'Caucasian'. This non-African identity was also stated by Haile Selassie.


'I am not a Negro at all; I am a Caucasian' the Emperor Menelik told the West Indian pan-Africanist Benito Sylvian who had come to Addis Ababa to solicit the Emperor's leadership in a society for the 'Amelioration of the Negro race.' Haile Sellassie confirmed that view in a declaration to Chief H. O. Davis, a well known Nigerian nationalist, stating that the Ethiopians did not regard themselves as Africans, but as 'a mixed Hamito-Semitic people (2006, John H. Spencer, p. 306)"

It is well known that Ethiopians like many Africans didn't consider themselves "Negro" whatever that means, and were taught about the hamitic theory which is why it is not possibly to find more than one or two books naming Ethiopians or Cushites as a kind of "Negro", before the 1990s. I don't think even National Geographic would have made that comment!

We read all that already. First John H. Spencer whoever he is, was quoting not Haile Selassie, but a hearsay comment that was insubstantial and unverifiable.

It would be as if I wrote a book claiming:

"that a certain North African who lived in New York claimed that when he met Dana Marniche in 1985 she was a black-man hater..."

Would such a groundless claim be proof of your negro-hating credentials?

As an academic and a scholar would you cite that sort of claim as proof of anything?

Then why cite me hear-says, rumors and the mischeivious lie of an MI5 agent about Emperor Haile Selassie?

Why would you give any credence to Mr. Spencer given that he did not cite any speech or article or book written by Haile Selassie wherein he made such a claim?

Why prefer rumours and hearsays especially in light of the many articles, books and literary works that Selassie-I had in print and on the net?

Would it not be more honest, and more scholarly to have done some research on the primary works of the subject? Especially when those works number in thousands of pages?

Can you just pick out one article or speech of HIM, just one, just one comment where HIM Emperor Haile Selassie claimed he was "Hamitic" as you imply, not negro, or that he was "negro" and not Hamitic...anything you can find.

Please Dana absolve yourself and post something from the Emperor where he claimed "non negro" and "hamaitic". We expect our scholars to show critical analysis and inferences.

I would be disappointed in getting rumors and second-hand sources from you as proofs when the best evidence is available to you. If they can trick illiterates and mutes in Africa and diaspora, then you as a scholar should be the last person to fall into such an obvious trap.

"How long shall they kill our prophets, while we stand aside and look...." - Bob Marley

Lion!
 
Posted by AswaniAswad (Member # 16742) on :
 
Actually u can Look at J.A Rogers Book Great Men of Color as well as 100 FActs about the Negro he has a New York Times Newspaper Article about Selassie Inviting Mr. Rogers and giving him a medal as well as 182 copies of his book Great Men of Color in the Article J.A Rogers Says That This Should Shut EveryOne Up about His Majesty Claiming to Be NOn Black.

What Selassie Said Was In Amharic Was That Ethiopians are Equal To Whites meaning the Same As Whites.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
^^AswaniAswad

Your information is good and tight. It is still a wonder to me how the very man who changed his country's name from Abbyssinia to Ethiopia (land of the blacks) could claim to be a pink-white???

How could any right thinking person make such a conclusion having regard to the life and times of His Imperial Majesty?

How could the globally acknowledged king of Black men, the favourite Emperor of Rastafarians, be confused with as a disciple of pink-white men?

Such conflation comes only from ulterior agenda, i.e. to insult the memory of our great beloved black King. Other such comments come from ignorance, and indifference.

We stand witness to the life and times of his imperial majesty. We still stand today in full strenght and dignity as a result of his example and his inspiration.


"Stiff naked fools, you think you are schooled to deny me for simplicity...' - Bob Marley and the Wailers

Lion!
 
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
 
Sodomite Jew boy stressing Lion for head. LOL
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
anguish of being a slave nigga,

Clean out the sewer from yo mama's slave pimp-fuckhole, and relax on the constant pimping after penis. You are useful in the cotton-field, not in a forum.

As for LiOnAnEjaculator,

What does yo cupboard have in common with yo mom? Ans: Her vagina is crawling with cockroaches and cob-webs.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
anguish of being a slave nigga,

Clean out the sewer from yo mama's slave pimp-fuckhole, and relax on the constant pimping after penis. You are useful in the cotton-field, not in a forum.

As for LiOnAnEjaculator,

What does yo cupboard have in common with yo mom? Ans: Her vagina is crawling with cockroaches and cub-webs.

Shut up batty bwoy...

Are you back from hustling your ass? How was work? LOL

Batty bwoy... fire fi your asshole!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

Yo mom was psychologically paralyzed for life, when she caught yo dad wrestling and butt-fucking you hard in the dark, on their bed.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Thanks.

But tell me batty bwoy,

how many dicks did you suck last night?

How much did you make?

Hoe,cock-sucker, battyhole kisser
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Asshole Rashole aka Exploring shithole

A male prostitute you are. We have proof of your activities on your gay porn sites...

Fire fi your batty bwoy asshole!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LiOnAdick, :

Thanks.

Spoken like a true cotton-picking moron.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
Originally posted by LiOnAdick, :

Thanks.

Spoken like a true cotton-picking moron.
And you responded like a true batty bwoy hoe that you are!

Bitch you suckh too much Afrikaaner cock!

Batty bwoy!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAfuckstick,

Why do you keep shooting out hemroids with profuse blood and sperms? Ans: From too much butt-jacking.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Batty bwoy, gay bwoy, cock sucjker!

Little insecure bwoy afraid of vagina!

Hoe, go get fuckhed up by your Afrikaner masters, go on bitch..run-wey!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

What do you keep sifting through semen? Ans: Picking sperms, which you think make good desert before getting into a full blowjob action.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Didja Afrikaaner lover beat you up this morning?

Is that why you are still whinning like a bitch, that you are...

Comeon get lost hoe, be gone bitch, go die you dirty swine!

Batty bwoy, hoe, cock suker!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

And what else does sifting through semen do for you? You find it easier to pick cotton, whenever you begin yo memories of picking sperms out of cum. It reduces the psychological strain of being a slave for life.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Every one on the board know you are a sick batty bwoy!

That is why no-one comes to your cheap site... You are better off running another gay dating online site like the one you used to own...

Batty bwoy, dirty swine, cock sucker
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

When you put popsicles in yo penis-sucking mouth, what does it remind you of? Ans: Needless to say: being the blowjob queen that you are!
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Batty bwoy

Every one at home knows that you are also a dirty slimy pederast...

Your poor mother must be rolling in her grave..god bless her soul!

She was a good woman to me still...
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAfuckstick,

What did you do with yo mom's mutilated cunt? Ans: Ate it raw for dinner. Fucking cannibal.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Batty bwoy

For the past three days you have been acting like you are low on your meds...

Or you are not getting enough Afrikaaner cock?

Or your boyfriend beating you again?

What is the problem???
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Batty bwoy aka the shithole explorer

You sound hurt, crushed, very somber..

A bit angry and spiteful...

Did your new boyfriend dig in too hard into you?

Or did he choose another batty bwoy over your ass?

Hoe, cock sucker, male prostitute
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

What do you and neanderthals have in common? Your big protruding mouths; the only difference is that the neanderthals used it for ingesting food and communicating, while you use it solely for ingesting dick juices.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Batty bwoy

I recall that night you caught me fuckhing your mom...LoL ... that was wild eh? How old were you then?? Fuckhed up your thin skull right there...and turned you into a battyhole slave of Afrikaaner dominators!

I am sorry. Never intended to do that to you...

And bsides your mother was just too goooood to me...god bless her soul...
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Ass-hole

Do you still have a picture of your mum and me? I tried to find it to post but I could not...

Your step-father

Lion!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAfuckstick,

What is the difference between you and apes? None, other than that you have a much much smaller IQ by comparison.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Ass-hole

Before you run off cock hustling tonight, send me the picture I took with your mom...I lost my copy..

Your part-time Dad

Lion!
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Asshole aka Exploring-shithole

Well, me and your mom had to run you outta the house cause you were starting to prey on your younger brothers...

I knew from then you were an incurable pevert! That is why you are still mad at me! Cause I outed your dirty whoring arse...

Batty bwoy, Shameless Ass-xplorer!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

What do you and redneck crakas have in common? Ans: Colorless winnie.

Ps - Here's an advise: Fucking pussy, next time know who you are dealing with, when you decide to highjack civilized human conversation and turn it into yo pre-1 year old attacks on my person.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Bitch you suckh too much Afrikaaner cock!

Batty bwoy, sell-out!

Hotta fire for your blooo-clit!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAdick,

You are a fucking miss matty dyke, a coalburner-crakajigaboo from head to toe and a fucking whino-sissy.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
LiOnAdick,

What do you and redneck crakas have in common? Ans: Colorless winnie.

Ps - Here's an advise: Fucking pussy, next time know who you are whinne,..whinne, whinne.... with, when whinnnnie....whinnnnne....moooooooo.

Bitch you suckh too much Afrikaaner cock! And you are whinning like a bitch...!

Batty bwoy!
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
LiOnAdick,

You are a fucking miss matty dyke, a coalburner-crakajigaboo from head to toe and a fucking whino-sissy.

And bitch, you ain't making no sense in adult speak either... What is this? Some infant playing with himself? Incomprehensible garbage!

You cannot write cock sucker, all you can do is suck cock!

Batty boy! [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAfuckstick,

You say that horses are yo favorite animals. There is a reason for this; most people ride horses, but you ride them quite differently from most people. You love them for the good ride that you get on their dicks; you say that no human males can offer you such big erections into yo ass.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
^^Batty bwoy, bwoy boy run down go Jo-burg and get a cock to suck, as usual! That will calm you down!

Batty bwoy, hoe, cock sucker!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAfuckstick,

News came out that you mistook yo dad's hairy nutsack for a tea bag. Yo held onto it tight and plunged into yo cup of hot water, hoping it would soon turn black. Fucking moron.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Ass-hole

I cannot get mad at you because of your loving mooma though...she was toooo sweeeet to meee!

Send me her picture Ass-hole, before you go tonight! Don't get too pissed off at me, batty bwoy...send me your mama's sexy picture..

I lost the one she gave me before she died!
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Batty bwoy

I leave you to die slowly....

I left you nine days initally ....two are gone and seven left.

Your HIV infested ass-hole will be rotting out by next weekend! You are on your way out sucker, you are gonna go down batty bwoy!

Fire fi your blooodclaat, seven times a day!
 
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
LiOnAfuckstick,

You know why scientists are scratching their head, having a hard time finding THE "missing link" between homonids and modern humans? Ans: They don't realize that you are a long lost ape, but alive and right among us. Simply isolating you and examining yo bones and intellect will instantly identify you as "the missing link".
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Explorer:
LiOnAfuckstick,

You know why scientists are scratching their head, having a hard time finding whinnnnne whinnneee I am on ... heat...whinnning "the missing link"...whinnnnneee.

Bitch you suckh too much Afrikaaner cock! And you are whinning like a bitch...!
 
Posted by Yonis2 (Member # 11348) on :
 
Why don't you Shut The Fock Up ! Both of you.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
Yoni-Yoni the camelite

Aha you just came back from the desert with your camel? How was the ride?....LoL

Lion!
 
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
 
Lion, run di bitch. She likes to stress posters for head when they don't pay her any mind.
 
Posted by Yonis2 (Member # 11348) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
Yoni-Yoni the camelite

Aha you just came back from the desert with your camel? How was the ride?....LoL

Lion!

Did Sir Edward Cunningham Mcgwire tell you that there is something wrong with camels?

What makes you think i would resent being associated with camels? You think you're above camels, you arrogant piece of shiyt.
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Yonis2:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
Yoni-Yoni the camelite

Aha you just came back from the desert with your camel? How was the ride?....LoL

Lion!

Did Sir Edward Cunningham Mcgwire tell you that there is something wrong with camels?

What makes you think i would resent being associated with camels? You think you're above camels, you arrogant piece of shiyt.

Folks...

Can someone tell this heathen that fuching a camel is animal abuse.

In the United States you go to prison for that...

LoL! [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Yonis2 (Member # 11348) on :
 
Heathen?

LOL, comming from a rastafool who worships an Amharic king as his god. Keep entertaining me you circus artist.

Btw this is a map of heathens made by your british overlords, spot Nigeria.

 -
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Yonis2:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
Yoni-Yoni the camelite

Aha you just came back from the desert with your camel? How was the ride?....LoL

Lion!

Did Sir Edward Cunningham Mcgwire tell you that there is something wrong with camels?

What makes you think i would resent being associated with camels? You think you're above camels, you arrogant piece of shiyt.

Animal sex anyone??? Yonis... [Big Grin]

Anyone that would sleep with a camel is a heathen! Period!
 
Posted by .Charlie Bass. (Member # 10328) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Yonis2:
Why don't you Shut The Fock Up ! Both of you.

Ironlion and Explorer sound like they could be the same people , I wouldn't be shocked it they both were actually one person.
 
Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
 
Yonis aka the Barry Bonds from his Pittsburgh Pirates days lookalike is posting.


This should be interesting.
 
Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
 
Explorer,


Yonis just told you to shut the f--k up.


What is your response to him?


Are you going to challenge him or will you continue to be docile and subservient to him?
 
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by .Charlie Bass.:
quote:
Originally posted by Yonis2:
Why don't you Shut The Fock Up ! Both of you.

Ironlion and Explorer sound like they could be the same people , I wouldn't be shocked it they both were actually one person.
Yawn! You should call your asshole friend to order. You have been chatting with him for two years now and you know his extents.

I never really communicated with you and so you don't know me...and we don't have to know each other. Don't come here to diss anyone.

Lion!
 
Posted by Novel (Member # 14348) on :
 
Joseph Smith, a European/American man, claimed the discovery of golden plated scriptures delivered by angel. Is it an acceptable foundation for a new religion?

Messianic followers a Jewish rabbi state he resurrected and ascended into heaven after crucifixion. Is it an acceptable foundation for a new religion?

An Arab merchant laid claim a new message delivered from Allah by an angel courier. Is it an acceptable foundation for a new religion?

Disparate communities prefer an African man, negus of an African nation as a messiah/deity: no longer acceptable as foundation of a new religion.
 
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 85500:
It's well known Hitler assisted Ethiopia during Ethiopia's war with Italy in 1935. But this wasn't because Hitler was 'fond' of Ethiopia, it was purely political and in some cases, financial.

"The Italo-Ethiopian war made possible the Italy-German rapprochement because Hitler did not apply sanctions against Italy and made it available to Italy certain boycotted products, such as coal, allowing Mussolini to challenge the international community and with the war.However, in spite of the fact that Germany had adopted a neutral policy, Hitler secretly authorized a 3 billion mark credit to Ethiopia to buy arms.."

SOURCE http://tinyurl.com/ygu2nfg


"Germany became aware that its re-armament was worrying the European continent, and that it would become a target. When Pierre Laval signed the treaty with Italy, Germany became increasingly aware of the resistance presented by many European powers. In an internal document, a German representative in Ethiopia discussed with Emperor Haile Selassie the supply of modern arms and material for chemical warfare. If the Germans’ offer of arms was favorable, Ethiopia was to send a representative to Berlin to discuss the situation.10 Germany later said internally that it and Ethiopia had the same interests, and that a conflict with Italy over the Austrian question would be inevitable.11 Germany was aware that Mussolini, along with Britain and France, did not favor his involvement with Austria. Hitler felt that the only way to be able to take over Austria was to arm the Ethiopians as much as possible so that they would offer the greatest resistance toward the Italians. With the Italians distracted, Hitler would go into Austria. Hitler kept this plan secret, because he was aware of the complicated European political situation.12
German firms saw an interest in Ethiopia like the Italians did, but not for the same reasons. Companies such as Rheinmetall and Krupp Steel were aware that Ethiopia desperately needed supplies, and they could provide them.13 They helped supply the weapons to Ethiopia that were agreed to by Selassie and Hitler. The fact that Ethiopia was on the verge of entering war meant that they need to buy as many supplies as possible to prepare. German firms were prepared to offer Ethiopians what they needed in order to profit. Italy also saw an economic interest in Ethiopia because Mussolini was aware that Ethiopia had a large amount of natural resources, and Italy could improve its struggling economy. With an already struggling economy, Italy was desperate to look for solutions for this problem, and Ethiopia became a possible solution.

Emperor Haile Selassie would of course try and take the offer made by the Germans, and Ethiopia would receive some weapons from German firms.14 Emperor Selassie knew that Italy was a large military power, and it needed to arm immediately. Both Germany and Ethiopia felt they would win through this arms deal. With Mussolini sending troops into British Somaliland to prepare for the imminent invasion, Ethiopia had to speed up the process of the deal.15 Germany began to play a large role in the imminent war by causing panic in Europe while making deals with Ethiopia to stop Italy from conquest.
When the main invasion began in October of 1935, German officials discussed the situation. Communications showed that Germany wished to remain a “non-participant,” and with Italy diverted away from Europe and the League of Nations weakened, Germany focused on the Austrian question.16 It watched the Italian conflict, but Emperor Haile Selassie was aware that he was outnumbered, and Germany felt that Italy would likely succeed. Germany now knew that this was the time to take advantage of the European political situation, and it hoped that the Italo-Abyssinian conflict would continue for a long period of time so that it could begin its expansion plans.
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SOURCE: http://tinyurl.com/ylcdh9u


I'll respond to the other stuff when I have more time. Peace for now and let your sources do the talking.

Whatever Ethiopians and for that matter many other African populations may have considered themselves back in colonial times, in the U.S. Selassie's descendants don't identify themselves as European-related people or Caucasians. They also get along quite well with other African Americans since they look very much like them. And I know this from a personal standpoint.
 
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Originally posted by astenb:
Good Info OP, Thankfully is it sourced because i am will aware of the Eritrean propaganda machine lol.

I don't know what you're talking about but if you want direct links to the sources, visit the link I already provided here:

http://www.madote.com/2010/03/were-ethiopian-leaders-colonialist.html

Djehuti, The Hutu and Tutsi genocide can happen anywhere at anytime. Identity is mostly based on the psychological dimension. It's easy to manipulate identity, because identity changes very rapidly. The whole concept of ethnic identity, like nation-state is a new phenomenon. 150 years ago, there were no such things as ethnic identity. people either went by their regional names, clans, family name or by their language.

Poor Banda Eritrea, even the Name of Ethiopian Army was calld "Tikur Anbessa" (Black Lion). YES The same Black Lion Army that destroy your forefathers and Italian solatos.

The Hamite/Semite Controversy

It was actually a coterie of white writers, mainly Scholars and Journalists, who sparked the dispute. Whether racial liberals or conservatives, they generally referred to the sharp-featured Abyssinians as Hamites – a mythical dark branch of the white race that had allegedly introduced high civilization to parts of Africa.

White Authors such as the ethnocentric anthropologist Carlton S Coon and Arthur Brisbane made a great play of the Abyssinians’ supposed Caucasian heritage and identification.

Just before the Italo-Ethiopian war, Carlton published a travelogue recording his experiences on a 1933 expedition to Ethiopia [8]. He wrote “ Black Americans risen to Ethiopian’s defence without realising that their solidarity with Abyssinians was a ‘hollow groundless form of idealism, based on entirely on misconceptions’. The Ethiopians were not Negroes as Americans Black were inclined to believe. A close look of Haile Selasie showed that, although dark-complexioned, he was far from being Negro.”………

In Jan 1938, Addison Southland (the American Consul) wrote and compared Ethiopians’ complexion to a “Café-au-lait” or even to a dark chocolate. “high-bridged nose, well-set eyes, and a firm chin” he argued distinguished them racially from the lowly Negro.

White-extremists and right-wing journalists (such as Arthur) viewed Abyssinia as a ‘superimposed culture – Amhara and Tigre tribes were not Negroes, only the empire’s lower classes were”.

Rogers [1] argued and traced the roots of Semitic/Hamitic theory to the battle of Adwa. He observed that the Ethiopians had never been known except as a Negro. But in 1896 there was a change. It was suddenly discovered that the Ethiopians were Semitic/Hamitic. “In that year the Ethiopians administered a decisive beating to a White people…but as it could not be possible for a black people to lick a white one, the Ethiopians must be WHITE…” [2]. According to Rogers, White imperialists felt compelled, as a result, to create a new quasi-Caucasian identity for the Ethiopians. A Semitic/Hamitic ethnicity for the Ethiopians was vigorously promoted in the West and in Ethiopia by Europeans. White visitors did all they could to popularise the Ethiopians’ Caucasians roots. Yet ”while telling the Amharas they were superior race before their face, called them Negro ‘’ behind their backs.” [3]

Walter White, National Secretary of the NAACP, attacked the hypocrisy of Ethiopia’s detractors. He asked those most critical of the Empire’s human rights record about the condition of ‘Slaves’ in other parts of Africa ruled by advanced white Nations, such as UK, France, Belgium, and Italy. If slavery existed in Ethiopia, it was probably no worse than the horrors of Africans endured at the hands of “Civilized Nations”. But even if it were, Italian aggression would still be “unmoral, vicious and wholly unjustified.” [4]

Concerned Ethiopians, aware of how damaging the dispute was to the defence-and-aid of Italy-Ethio war campaign, forcefully denied the charges. In December 1935, Tesfaye Zaphiro informed a large gathering of blacks at Harlem that what the blacks heard about poor relationship between Afro-Americans and Ethiopians was false. He had come to Harlem to convince them that there was a “ decided blood relationship between the Ethiopians and the Negro.” [6]. In Feb 1936, Tesfaye assured the black gathering at Brooklyn’s Mount Camel Church of his country’s identification with the Negro. He attributed the dispute to Italian efforts to spread hostile propaganda against Ethiopia. He observed the Rome had initially charged that the Ethiopians were barbarians, in an effort to isolate his nation from the civilized world. Then Rome had declared that “Ethiopians were not black, there by hoping to keep the rest of the colored people of the world from feeling kinship with us. [7]. Not satisfied, Italy had also sought to make it clear that “Ethiopians were white” lest the sympathies of the Caucasians Nations be aroused [7]. According to the fabrication, Ethiopians were neither black nor white but an intermediate race.

Ethiopians Black/White controversy- was fabricated and invented by white-extremists and Fascist so as to control Ethiopianism which was spreading among Black Americans in the 1930s?

Check out these ref.
References
[1] Rogers Joel A. “The real facts about Ethiopia”. Third Edition NY J.A. Rogers Publications, 1936
[2] Pittsburgh Courier, Nov. 30, 1935 pp1
[3] Ibid., March 14, 1936 pp3
[4]Walter White to Editor, Daily Mirror, Oct 14, 1935, NAACP Papers.
[5]New York Amsterdam News, Jan 23, 1937 pp20
[6] New York Amsterdam News, Dec. 28, 1935 pp4
[7] New York Amsterdam News, Feb 22, 1936 pp10
[8] Measuring Ethiopia and flight into Arabia, Boston Little Bron and Co., 1935
 
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ETHIOPIANS ARE PROUD BLACK AFRICANS!!
ANLIKE SOME EX-ARAB, TURKISH AND ITALIAN SERVATS WHO WERE CALLD BY THEIR MASTERS AS "ASINO" ( donkey ).

Proud Aryan Eritrean NAZI kinds worshipping Italians!
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