why were many Egyptians depicted reddish brown while to the South, Sudanese are darker brown and not as reddish generally?
Posted by L' (Member # 18238) on :
Egyptians were usually painted with dark brown. Asiatics are more reddish brown.
Sometimes Sudanese are painted the same color as Egyptians. How do you know that the people painted pitch black are even Sudanese?
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by L': Egyptians were usually painted with dark brown. Asiatics are more reddish brown.
Sometimes Sudanese are painted the same color as Egyptians. How do you know that the people painted pitch black are even Sudanese?
Egyptians were usually painted reddish brown what planet are you on?
Kushites of the South:
^^^^show me a painting where there is a group of Egyptians pitch black like this.
Let's not play games. You can find exceptions. however anybody being honest will note a reddish brown, brick type color for Egyptian people (not afterlife Gods. Pharaohs representing Osiris etc. ) Kushites, people of the South are often depicted jet black, sometimes reddish brown as here
Sometimes in the art if there are overlapping people they change colors so you can distinguish figures in an alternating pattern and then include the pattern for all figures as Explorer pointed out. It is uncertain. Maybe you have two types of "Nubians" black and reddish brown. Whatever the case may be you don't see non-God Egyptians portrayed this way, they are all reddish brown, some a chocolate brown -but not that jet black color. Why is that? if they are tropical and come from the South why don't you see a lot of Egyptians portrayed in jet black as you see in a lot of depictions of Nehesy?
Posted by Just call me Jari (Member # 14451) on :
Depictions of Nubians and Egyptians... Nahesy
Egyptians
Posted by L' (Member # 18238) on :
I'm not really seeing a reddish brown. Just brown. The only one that I would consider "reddish" is the Ramses I image.
Why do you make it seem as if tropical means jet black like Sudanese? I'm lighter than most Ancient Egyptian images lol.
You have no way of knowing whether or not the pitch black images are actually Sudanese though
Posted by Just call me Jari (Member # 14451) on :
Egyptians
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
Jari stop spamming for a minute. Why are many Kushites , "Nubians", people of the South depicted as pitch black but non-God Egyptians never pitch black like that always some type of brown? If they are from the South where's the pitch black.
If you look at the Table of Nations art in various tombs this is the kind of distinction you see, Egyptians brown, Nehesy black. But people argue here that they are of the same lineage. Where's that deep tropical skin like the Nehesy?
Posted by adrianne (Member # 10761) on :
because this is a 2d painting and most civilizations paint themselves different then people who are not them,
the reality is the egyptians carved themselves on stone to really represent themselves.
^^^^ Egyptian God Ptah depicted with Dark Brownish black skin
Posted by L' (Member # 18238) on :
^So, you are under the impression that, just because two populations may have the same origins, they must look exactly alike?
That's stupid
Jari, I noticed in two of the images you posted, some Egyptians are shown with black skin
Posted by Just call me Jari (Member # 14451) on :
This question is absurd. first off The Egyptians like all Africans showed the difference between themselves and other Africans esp. Africans who are some of the darkest people on Earth(Southern Sudanese Nuba, Dinkha, etc.)
Second The Egyptian Population came from East Africans and Sarahran populations. So now the Egyptians have to be Pitch black with Blubbery lips to be considered black or Southern In origin...?? What about the Neheshy depicted with Skin tone the same as the Egyptians Are they Eurasians and Non Blacks also.
This is the same bitch that will call me a White Supremist but in her Mind when it comes to Egypt only Pitch Black Africans are considered as black but let the bitch find a Straight nosed statue and suddenly Europeans and Indians are condidates for Kemet over the Luxor, Aswani, and Lower Nubians who have lived in Kmet for thousands of years.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Jari stop spamming for a minute. Why are many Kushites , "Nubians", people of the South depicted as pitch black but non-God Egyptians never pitch black like that always some type of brown? If they are from the South where's the pitch black.
If you look at the Table of Nations art in vaious tombs this is the kind of distinction you see, Egyptians brown, Nehesy black. But people argue here that they are of the same lineage. Where's that deep tropical skin like the Nehesy?
Posted by L' (Member # 18238) on :
BTW, Lioness, whatever happened to your "nobody is literally black" stuff? You kept saying that even African Americans are brown etc., why don't you apply that to Egypt?
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
____________ ^^^^^
how come apart from Osiris or Pharaohs representing Osiris we don't see regular Egyptians commonly in this pitch black color?
quote:Originally posted by adrianne: [QB] because this is a 2d painting and most civilizations paint themselves different then people who are not them,
Look at the first and last figures in the above faience tile. The first is a Libyan the last is a Hittite. However you name them it is clear these figures represent different nations. But these two figures have basically the same skin color. They are distinguished by clothing and hair/beard style.
quote:Originally posted by L': BTW, Lioness, whatever happened to your "nobody is literally black" stuff? You kept saying that even African Americans are brown etc., why don't you apply that to Egypt?
^^^^ Because when it comes to Km.t she and Millions of other of her Mindset need to continue to further Spit on the fact of the Saidi, Luxor, Aswani, and Northern Sudanese and their role in Founding Kmt., Uniting Km.t, Building her Temples, building her Ships etc.
Because she and millions of her mindset need to further deny the Saidi, Luxor, Aswani NATIVES(Not Arabic and Turk Migrants who settled there) and Northern Sudanese their own culture that THEY not Lower or Delta Egyptians BUT SOUTHERN Egyptians founded, maintained and created.
Beacause the idea of blacks be they Egyptians, Ethiopians, West Africans, East African, North africans, South africans etc. in her mind can never have any role other than slaves and copy cats.
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
There are Africans who aren't extremely dark. I have a video showing some of them on my YT account:
Beacause the idea of blacks be they Egyptians, Ethiopians, West Africans, East African, North africans, South africans etc. in her mind can never have any role other than slaves and copy cats. [/QB]
the greatness of the African people does not hinge on Egypt alone
Posted by adrianne (Member # 10761) on :
"Look at the first and last figures in the above faience tile. The first is a Libyan the last is a Hittite. However you name them it is clear these figures represent different nations. But these two figures have basically the same skin color. They are distinguished by clothing and hair/beard style."
and they are asiatics
the egyptians were NOT asiatics so where does that leave you
Posted by Just call me Jari (Member # 14451) on :
quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: Like the Egyptians Majority of Africans are Dark Brown to Medium Brown and can be as light as a Wheat Color.
Majority of Africans are not Pitch black like Dinkha, Nuba, and othe rpopulations found in the LSouther Nile Valley.
Majority of African Americans would fit quite in with the Skintone of the Egyptians I posted, No body in their right mind will say those people are not black.
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quote:Originally posted by L': Jari, I noticed in two of the images you posted, some Egyptians are shown with black skin
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by L': BTW, Lioness, whatever happened to your "nobody is literally black" stuff? You kept saying that even African Americans are brown etc., why don't you apply that to Egypt?
because there are many different people within a 500 miles radius of Egypt who are brown and not all of them are in Africa. Jordan for example is closer to Egypt then Keddada.
The "Literally black" thing doesn't apply here. We are talking about the Egyptian art. In the Egyptian art they often show. Kushites, Nehesy, "Nubians" with a pitch black color. They don't use that color for Egyptians.
many ancient Egyptians were probably "black Africans" with brown skin but some may not have been. There are other brown skinned people in the area
Posted by adrianne (Member # 10761) on :
lioness
what did the first egyptians look like??
can you describe their colour of skin
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness : Look at the first and last figures in the above faience tile. The first is a Libyan the last is a Hittite. However you name them it is clear these figures represent different nations. But these two figures have basically the same skin color. They are distinguished by clothing and hair/beard style.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness adrianne: and they are asiatics
Libya is in Africa.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness adrianne: the egyptians were NOT asiatics so where does that leave you
the egyptians were NOT Nubians so where does that leave you?
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: because there are many different people within a 100 miles radius of Egypt who are brown and not all of them are in Africa. Jordan for example is closer to Egypt then Keddada.
But Sudan is connected to Egypt by the Nile River, while Jordan is separated from the Nile Valley by desert. Furthermore, we already refuted your whole "Egyptians must have had close Levantine affinities" bullshit in another thread if you were paying attention.
Even if northern Egyptians and Levantines really did resemble each other, what makes you so sure that this makes the northern Egyptians non-black? Maybe it was the Levantines of the time who had black tendencies.
Most modern Jordanians aren't that dark anyway:
Posted by L' (Member # 18238) on :
quote:because there are many different people within a 100 miles radius of Egypt who are brown and not all of them are in Africa. Jordan for example is closer to Egypt then Keddada.
Oh my... here you go again with this "Jordan is closer to Egypt than this place" etc., it is really getting old lioness. Especially since Egyptians are not shown with a similar skin tone to Mediterraneans but similar to Ethiopians, Somalis, etc., Why should you look outside of Africa, when you have native Africans inside Africa? Compare them to Africans, there is no reason to compare them to non-Africans who don't have a relationship with Egyptians
Of course, it doesn't lioness... of course it doesn't
quote:We are talking about the Egyptian art. In the Egyptian art they often show. Kushites, Nehesy, "Nubians" with a pitch black color. They don't use that color for Egyptians.
I reiterate my earlier question: how do you know they are Nubians? As is evidence from some images Jari posted, Egyptians are shown with black skin occasionally.
quote:many ancient Egyptians were probably "black Africans" with brown skin but some may not have been. There are other brown skinned people in the area
What the hell are you talking about? On one hand, you say that many Egyptians were probably black with brown skin, but then you say that other brown-skinned people in the area aren't black? If you agree that many Egyptians were "black" then why the useless posts/threads?
quote:the egyptians were NOT Nubians so where does that leave you?
Huge difference here. The Sudanese were biologically the closest to the ancient Egyptians. No such evidence for a close affinity with Asiatics/Libyans. As a matter of fact, a recent study posted on ES showed a genetic discontinuity between Egypt and the Libya
Posted by adrianne (Member # 10761) on :
lioness
what did the first egyptians look like??
can you describe their colour of skin
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
quote:Originally posted by L': Huge difference here. The Sudanese were biologically the closest to the ancient Egyptians. No such evidence for a close affinity with Asiatics/Libyans. As a matter of fact, a recent study posted on ES showed a genetic discontinuity between Egypt and the Nile Valley.
There's also evidence for a genetic discontinuity between Egypt and coastal northwest Africa (land of the "white" Berbers):
In the sum, the results obtained further strengthen the results from previous analyses. The affinities between Nazlet Khater, MSA, and Khoisan and Khoisan related groups re-emerges.In addition it is possible to detect a separation between North African and sub-saharan populations, with the Neolithic Saharan population from Hasi el Abiod and the Egyptian Badarian group being closely affiliated with modern Negroid groups. Similarly, the Epipaleolithic populations from Site 117 and Wadi Halfa are also affiliated with sub-Saharan LSA, Iron Age and modern Negroid groups rather than with contemporaneous North African populations such as Taforalt and the Ibero-maurusian. ---Pierre M. Vermeersch in Palaeolithic quarrying sites in Upper and Middle Egypt
BTW, when arguing about Egyptians painting themselves dark mahogany-brown, we must take into account the possibility that this convention may have represented only the statistically average Egyptian skin tone. I for one think that there was always a skin tone gradient in Egypt correlated with latitude, with people up north in the Delta possibly being caramel-complexioned like Kalahari Bushmen and people living near the southern border approaching an ebony-black color. Of course, all of these people would have been classified as "black" or at least Africoid by today's racial taxonomy.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: because there are many different people within a 100 miles radius of Egypt who are brown and not all of them are in Africa. Jordan for example is closer to Egypt then Keddada.
But Sudan is connected to Egypt by the Nile River, while Jordan is separated from the Nile Valley by desert. Furthermore, we already refuted your whole "Egyptians must have had close Levantine affinities" bullshit in another thread if you were paying attention.
Even if northern Egyptians and Levantines really did resemble each other, what makes you so sure that this makes the northern Egyptians non-black? Maybe it was the Levantines of the time who had black tendencies.
Most modern Jordanians aren't that dark anyway:
the man on the right is fairly dark and so is the man behind and overlapped by the other man with the flowers. Trade is recorded as far back as pre-dynastic times between the Levant and Egypt, people traversing since before Pharonic Egypt began. They had concubines from Canaan. The Hyksos were there for 100 years in the middle period. Sculpture of major Pharaohs like Ramesses II and Thutmose don't look East African, do not have elongated heads like Ethiopians, Horners. They look Mediterranean. Roundish heads, thin lips, large nose that protrude straight out, not even Semitic pointing downward. Others do look African. These are the things that lead me to believe they weren't 100% African. You also don't see Egyptian technology spreading into Africa. I think Egypt was an admixture combination of Levantines/Mediterraneans and Sudanese.
Posted by Just call me Jari (Member # 14451) on :
Speaking of Gods, The Depiction of the people of Ta-Neteru Literally God's Land also counted among the Neheshy.
Modern Day Ethiopia known as Ta-Neteru AKA God Land. Notice the Beards and compare that to the the False beard Royal and Sacred Regelia. Notice the Clothing compare that to the Dress of the Egyptian Gods. Notice the Skin compare that to the skin of the Egyptian Gods.
The Last Ta-Neteru Royalty was H.I.M Halle Salasse, a 4,000 + year old line of Kings!!
Case closed.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Jari stop spamming for a minute. Why are many Kushites , "Nubians", people of the South depicted as pitch black but non-God Egyptians never pitch black like that always some type of brown? If they are from the South where's the pitch black.
If you look at the Table of Nations art in various tombs this is the kind of distinction you see, Egyptians brown, Nehesy black. But people argue here that they are of the same lineage. Where's that deep tropical skin like the Nehesy?
Posted by adrianne (Member # 10761) on :
lioness
what did the first egyptians look like??
can you describe their colour of skin
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
if the Egyptians were from the South why are so many not as dark as Sudanese and why in Table of nations murals, including Ramesses III ans Seti I did they show Egyptians as brown and people from the South black? They already had different clothing to distinguish them. It leads me to believe they were in large part sub-tropically adapted rather than tropically adapted. This could have happened within Egypt. But were people in Egypt long enough?
Posted by adrianne (Member # 10761) on :
lioness
what did the first egyptians look like??
can you describe their colour of skin
Posted by L' (Member # 18238) on :
Too bad for you, Raxter (2011) clearly refutes your unsupported opinion:
quote:
Egyptian body size and proportions: ecogeographic patterns in a mid-latitude population. MICHELLE H. RAXTER. Department of Anthropology, University of South Florida. Ecogeographic patterning in body size and proportions can provide important information about adaptation and population movements. This study investigated patterns in body size and proportions in a mid-latitude population. Ancient Egyptians occupied a middle latitude region at 31-21 o North. It was predicted that Egyptians would be intermediate between higher and lower latitude populations in body size and limb length ratios. The skeletal sample consisted of 492 males and 535 females, all adults from the Predynastic, Old Kingdom, Middle Kingdom, New Kingdom and Roman-Byzantine periods, a time spanning c. 5500 BCE – 600 CE. Egyptians were analyzed regionally by dividing the sample into northern and southern groups, as well as by comparison to Nubian groups. Egyptians were also assessed with respect to other populations in the world using anthropometrics from modern populations compiled by Ruff (1994) and skeletal measures from archaeologically-derived samples from Holliday (1995). Analysis of variance and Tukey’s post-hoc test were used to analyze differences among groups, while bivariate scatters were used to assess changes in measures with latitude. Results showed that region had no significant effect on male brachial index, however region did have a significant effect on female brachial index and on both male and female crural indices (p 5 \ 0.05). Nubians possessed SLIGHTLY higher indices compared to ancient Egyptians. Ancient Egyptian limb length indices were more characteristic of tropical populations. Other indices such as body mass/stature and bi-iliac breadth/stature to stature were intermediate between higher latitude and lower latitude populations.
This has been provided to you time and time again. The ancient Egyptians did not have limb ratios intermediate between lower and higher latitude populations, but of tropical Africans. Nubians only possessed slightly higher indices.
Why do you refuse to read, and instead spam the same crap over and over?
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
''what did the first egyptians look like??'' ======
Females were light skinned, men were sunburnt reddish. The females kept their skin pale as they stayed in doors. The royalty and upper classes also did.
Nefertiabet ancient Egyptian princess of the 4th dynasty (2600 - 2500 BC) -
The ancient egyptians were never black.
Posted by adrianne (Member # 10761) on :
i ask the FIRST egyptians
not egyptians from the 4th dynasy nearly a thousand years after the fact
show me evidence from the dynastic period
dynastys 1-3
Posted by Sundjata (Member # 13096) on :
quote:“Too black a hue as an Egyptian or Ethiopian marks the coward, and so does too white a complexion, as you may see from women. So the hue that makes for courage must be intermediate between these 2 extremes. A tawny colour indicates a bold spirit, as in lions: but too ruddy a hue marks a rogue, as in the case of the fox"..
-- Aristotle, "Physiognomy"
^Aren't lions and foxes LITERALLY reddish-brown?
quote:"The men of egypt are mostly brown or black with a skinny and desiccated look"
--Ammianus Marcellinus
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sundjata:
quote:“Too black a hue as an Egyptian or Ethiopian marks the coward, and so does too white a complexion, as you may see from women. So the hue that makes for courage must be intermediate between these 2 extremes. A tawny colour indicates a bold spirit, as in lions: but too ruddy a hue marks a rogue, as in the case of the fox"..
-- Aristotle, "Physiognomy"
Actually there are scholars who doubt that Aristotle was the author of Physiognomonics, instead suggesting that it was written by an unknown Greek author from around 300 BC. Not that it affects your main point about Egyptians being likened to Ethiopians, mind you, but I don't want the quote to be misattributed.
Posted by L' (Member # 18238) on :
Does anybody here think that the difference in skin tone between men and women in Egyptian art could be the result of sexual dimorphism? Or is there some type of symbolic reason for this
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
quote:Originally posted by L': Does anybody here think that the difference in skin tone between men and women in Egyptian art could be the result of sexual dimorphism? Or is there some type of symbolic reason for this
I know that Tuareg women sometimes paint their faces yellow as makeup. Maybe Egyptian women did the same?
Regardless, the "yellow woman" artistic trend wasn't universal throughout Egyptian history:
quote:Originally posted by L': Does anybody here think that the difference in skin tone between men and women in Egyptian art could be the result of sexual dimorphism? Or is there some type of symbolic reason for this
I know that Tuareg women sometimes paint their faces yellow as makeup. Maybe Egyptian women did the same?
I wouldn't be surprised.
quote:Regardless, the "yellow woman" artistic trend wasn't universal throughout Egyptian history:
So it is artistic convention? Haven't had much luck in search for an answer :/
quote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vbBMwE3bgY
Nice video Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
quote:Originally posted by L': So it is artistic convention? Haven't had much luck in search for an answer :/
I've heard another claim that the yellow color symbolized fertility.
At any rate, even if Egyptian women did hang around the home instead of working in the fields (even though women in most African cultures play a prominent role in agriculture), would they have spent most of their time inside those stuffy mud huts? We know that the roofs of Egyptian houses were accessible from the bottom floor, so it's easier for me to accept that they would have done a lot of work on the rooftops exposed to fresh air.
Posted by Sundjata (Member # 13096) on :
To take such art literally is beyond naive considering we have no real world examples of that type of sex-based contrast within a population.
^@L. This has been discussed before and it appears to have been pre-Amarna period artistic convention. It has been speculated that the golden color of some women symbolized weakness because during times of social equality, or in recreational imagery simply depicting every day activities (in domains where men and women are in equal standing), men and women are not distinguished. The theory that women stayed inside is really stupid and has no support for it.
quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric:
quote:Originally posted by Sundjata:
quote:“Too black a hue as an Egyptian or Ethiopian marks the coward, and so does too white a complexion, as you may see from women. So the hue that makes for courage must be intermediate between these 2 extremes. A tawny colour indicates a bold spirit, as in lions: but too ruddy a hue marks a rogue, as in the case of the fox"..
-- Aristotle, "Physiognomy"
Actually there are scholars who doubt that Aristotle was the author of Physiognomonics, instead suggesting that it was written by an unknown Greek author from around 300 BC. Not that it affects your main point about Egyptians being likened to Ethiopians, mind you, but I don't want the quote to be misattributed.
Point taken.
Posted by L' (Member # 18238) on :
Do you remember the source?
quote:The theory that women stayed inside is really stupid and has no support for it.
Yup, a silly theory indeed. I noticed he couldn't even provide any examples of this, or any reason why his theory should be taken seriously lol
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: The theory that women stayed inside is really stupid and has no support for it.
Not only does it not have support for it, it appears to be flat-out wrong if ancient Egyptian art is to be trusted:
Also notice how even male nobility are given a dark brown color just like the field workers.
Posted by Sundjata (Member # 13096) on :
This is actually a pretty good post from Wally about this:
quote:
quote:Originally posted by Wally: Egyptian brown is one of the most popular colors used to render Black skin tones.
i.e., African American art
Dead Egyptian: The recently deceased is painted with white skin in Egyptian art. (Ghostly?)
Ahmose Nefertari - Wife of Ahmose. She was a queen of great authority, which is why her skin is painted black. The traditional color for Egyptian women was yellow, not because they were actually that complexion, but yellow indicates a physical weakness vis-a-vis the Egyptian male. However, politically speaking, Egyptian women were far from weak in Egyptian society.
The Goddess Hathor with Egyptian gold complexion. The color of the gods.
Egyptian Noble family. All have the same brown complexions, illustrating social equality. This really became a more common rendition after the Amarna revolution of Pharaoh Ikhnaton.
Tutankhamen being reborn, his brown skin turning to black - the color of transformation and resurrection. The God Ptah (Toh) - "Lord of Resurrection", holding the sceptre (Wose), sits in judgment. His blue complexion shows that he is "god of creation and regeneration." <><><> Egyptian Skin Tones - Symbolic & Conventional
Egyptian male (dark) Egyptian brown skin.....masculine, strong Black skin.....................powerful, reborn White skin....................recently deceased
Old Egyptian male (light) Yellow skin....................weak, frail
Egyptian female (light) Yellow skin....................feminine, weak Egyptian brown skin.....equal of men (Amarna period) Black skin.....................powerful, reborn
Egyptian gods Gold skin......................flesh of the gods Blue skin......................the cosmic waters, the firmament Green skin...................life (i.e., plants) Black skin.....................resurrection, sacred, holy, benevolent
Posted by L' (Member # 18238) on :
^Thanks
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
Honestly, I am not sure where Wally gets this idea that yellow symbolized weakness in Egyptian culture. I'll have to ask him about his source.
Posted by Sundjata (Member # 13096) on :
^Also posted by ausar some years back (ironically the indoors thing is mentioned but not nearly to the same effect):
quote:[......The choice of the single red-brown color to represent The Egyptian man,rather than a more realistic range of shades ,should also considered within a wider symbolic scheme that included the representations of foreginers. The foreigne men to the north and west of Egypt were depicted by yellow skin[similar to that odf traditional Egyptian women]; men to the south of Egypt were given black skin. Although undoubtedly some Egyptians' skin pigmentation differed little from that of Egypt's neighboors,in the Egyptian worldview foreigners had to be distinguished . Thus Egyptian men had to be marked by a common skin color that contrasted with the images of non- Egyptian men. That the Egyptian women shared their skin color with some foreign men scarcely mattered,since the Egyptian male is primary and formed the reference point in these two color scemes--- contrasting in one with non-Egyptian males and in the other with Egyptian females. Within the scheme of Egyptian/non-Egyptian skin color,black was not desirable for ordinary humans ,because it marked out figures as foreign ,as enemies of Egypt,and ultimatley as represenatives of chaos;black thereby contrasted with its positive meaning elsewhere. This example helps demostrate the importance of context for reading color symbolism.........]
[......Thus,the gender distinctionencoded for human figures was transferred at times to the divie world. The symbolisminherant in the skin colors used for some deities and royal figures sugest that the colors given to human skin---although initiallyseeming to be naturalistic -----might also be symbolic. Male and female skin colors were probabaly not uniform among the entire population of Egypt,with pigmentation being darker in the south[closer to sub-saharan Africans] and lighter in the north[closer to Mediterranean Near Easteners] A woman from the south would probabaly have had darker skin than a man from the North. Thus,the colorations used for skin tones in the art must have been schematic [or symbolic] rather than realistic;the clear gender distinction encoded in that scheme may have been based on elite ideals relating to male and female roles,in which women's responsibilities kept them indoors,so that they spent less time in the sun than men.Nevertheless, the signifcance of the two colors may be even deeper,making some as yet unknown but fundamental difference between men and women in Egyptian worldview............]
quote:[/QUOTE]So it is artistic convention? Haven't had much luck in search for an answer :/
[/QB]
See Chiek Anta Diop's views on the artistic convention of the ancient Egyptians.....
Posted by Sundjata (Member # 13096) on :
quote:Honestly, I am not sure where Wally gets this idea that yellow symbolized weakness in Egyptian culture. I'll have to ask him about his source.
Indeed, but note with reference to the above. Robins is considered an 'authoritative source'. Wally's presumption that Black = reborn has accompanied demonstration (also see Osiris/Kemwer the resurrected) while Robins' dubious suggestion that black = "foreign" or "chaos" is not supported by any documents that I've seen. So sometimes we need to just look at the information and come to our own conclusions. I don't know how old this citation is either. Either way the argument is that it's all symbolic [we can disagree on the meaning of the symbolism].
Posted by L' (Member # 18238) on :
quote:See Chiek Anta Diop's views on the artistic convention of the ancient Egyptians.....
Anything in specific in mind?
Posted by Just call me Jari (Member # 14451) on :
Wrong as you can see Men were depicted Dark Reddish Brown and women too...
some Egyptian Women
Egyptians were black, Sorry bub!!
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ''what did the first egyptians look like??'' ======
Females were light skinned, men were sunburnt reddish. The females kept their skin pale as they stayed in doors. The royalty and upper classes also did.
The ancient egyptians were never black.
Posted by Ekiti-Parapo (Member # 6729) on :
Most "so-called" mixed race folks in the West. And *all* light skinned black folks would be VERY DARK skinned in Africa.
Nuff said.
Posted by L' (Member # 18238) on :
Amazing pictures in this thread Jari
Posted by Sundjata (Member # 13096) on :
quote:A survey of a number of scholars, most writing in response to Black Athena, reveals a similarly problematic approach to the African nature of Egypt. John Baines, professor of Egyptology at Oxford, in his attack on Black Athena II in the New York Times, is similarly a victim of the confused approach seen in Kelley. For Baines, ancient Egypt 'was an African society of diverse ethnic origins'. (38) He further seems to believe that Egyptians' representations of themselves in paintings as reddish-brown (men), yellow (women) and of the people to the south as black is of importance in determining their actual physical characteristics--surely one of the more astounding statements made recently on the ethnicity of the ancient Egyptians.
---Kamugisha (2003)
Posted by Just call me Jari (Member # 14451) on :
More Egyptians
Cassiterides and Lioness Further debunked by the Egyptians themselves...
Tomb of Usherhet
Its OVER!!
Posted by Just call me Jari (Member # 14451) on :
Tomb of Usherhet Cont' The beating Continued...
Im gonna continue this Punishment on Lioness and Cassiterides in any thread they create disrespecting the Saidi Natives of Upper egypt and the Northern Sudanese...
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric: Honestly, I am not sure where Wally gets this idea that yellow symbolized weakness in Egyptian culture. I'll have to ask him about his source.
racism
Posted by Sundjata (Member # 13096) on :
^This is racism:
He further seems to believe that Egyptians' representations of themselves in paintings as reddish-brown (men), yellow (women) and of the people to the south as black is of importance in determining their actual physical characteristics--surely one of the more astounding statements made recently on the ethnicity of the ancient Egyptians.---Kamugisha (2003)
Posted by Kalonji (Member # 17303) on :
Troll threads deserve troll replies
Posted by Just call me Jari (Member # 14451) on :
^^^^^^ Exactly Kalonji, Im gonna destroy this Thread and any thread the Bitch makes with Truth!!
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric: Honestly, I am not sure where Wally gets this idea that yellow symbolized weakness in Egyptian culture. I'll have to ask him about his source.
racism
^^^^^ So says the Racist bitch that denies the Black Egyptians their Culture. So says the racist who only considers Jet black Blubber Lipped Wide Nosed Egyptians as Black.
So Says the Racist who will continue to recive Punishment for the Disrepect of Egypt's black Population that Founded Egypt!!!
Mastaba Art!!!
Mastaba-Chapel of Hetepherakhet
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: This is actually a pretty good post from Wally about this:
quote:
quote:Originally posted by Wally: Egyptian brown is one of the most popular colors used to render Black skin tones.
i.e., African American art
Dead Egyptian: The recently deceased is painted with white skin in Egyptian art. (Ghostly?)
Ahmose Nefertari - Wife of Ahmose. She was a queen of great authority, which is why her skin is painted black. The traditional color for Egyptian women was yellow, not because they were actually that complexion, but yellow indicates a physical weakness vis-a-vis the Egyptian male. However, politically speaking, Egyptian women were far from weak in Egyptian society.
The Goddess Hathor with Egyptian gold complexion. The color of the gods.
Egyptian Noble family. All have the same brown complexions, illustrating social equality. This really became a more common rendition after the Amarna revolution of Pharaoh Ikhnaton.
Tutankhamen being reborn, his brown skin turning to black - the color of transformation and resurrection. The God Ptah (Toh) - "Lord of Resurrection", holding the sceptre (Wose), sits in judgment. His blue complexion shows that he is "god of creation and regeneration."
Egyptian Skin Tones - Symbolic & Conventional
Egyptian male (dark) Egyptian brown skin.....masculine, strong Black skin.....................powerful, reborn White skin....................recently deceased
Old Egyptian male (light) Yellow skin....................weak, frail
Egyptian female (light) Yellow skin....................feminine, weak Egyptian brown skin.....equal of men (Amarna period) Black skin.....................powerful, reborn
Egyptian gods Gold skin......................flesh of the gods Blue skin......................the cosmic waters, the firmament Green skin...................life (i.e., plants) Black skin.....................resurrection, sacred, holy, benevolent
^^^race slanted comic book garbage from Wally
more later
Posted by Sundjata (Member # 13096) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: So sometimes we need to just look at the information and come to our own conclusions. I don't know how old this citation is either. Either way the argument is that it's all symbolic [we can disagree on the meaning of the symbolism].
^^
Getting away from racist interpretations of art work:
quote:He further seems to believe that Egyptians' representations of themselves in paintings as reddish-brown (men), yellow (women) and of the people to the south as black is of importance in determining their actual physical characteristics--surely one of the more astounding statements made recently on the ethnicity of the ancient Egyptians
.---Kamugisha (2003)
@lioness. Who are these dark-skinned women being posted by Jari? Are they foreigners?
Posted by Just call me Jari (Member # 14451) on :
Mastaba of Kegmeni
Niankhamun and Khamunhotep
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari:
quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: Like the Egyptians Majority of Africans are Dark Brown to Medium Brown and can be as light as a Wheat Color.
Majority of Africans are not Pitch black like Dinkha, Nuba, and othe rpopulations found in the LSouther Nile Valley.
Majority of African Americans would fit quite in with the Skintone of the Egyptians I posted, No body in their right mind will say those people are not black.
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Antefoqer
quote:Originally posted by L': Jari, I noticed in two of the images you posted, some Egyptians are shown with black skin
It a shame how much damage was intentionally inflected on these ancient records. Some of Lyanese's peeps, no doubt!
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: Mastaba of Kegmeni
Jari, I find this picture very interesting, and wonder at the significance of the two superimposed heads, one pitch black and the other dark brown. At first it appears there maybe two people side by side with one blocking the full profile of the other. However, looking closer it appears to be the same person, but displayed in this unusual manner, as if the artist were making some kind of statement about some sort of duality of the subject(s), or is this representative of a person who has been reborn? Have you seen this depicted elsewhere?
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
*Yawn* This topic was discussed many times before in the past but since Lyingass is unaware I will entertain her.
Hey Lying, what are these people below?
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
As to the question of how Egyptian women were portrayed in art. Yes the yellow color was an artistic convention and symbolic but nobody knows exactly what the color symbolizes. I personally believe it has something to do with a yellow paint that not only Tuareg women but other Berber women and even Beja women in Sudan and some Ethiopian women wear it as well. It may indeed have to do with fertility. For example the cow goddess Het-her (Hathor) was known as 'The Golden Lady' and she was a role model of fertility that women wanted to follow. The whole theory of women staying indoors is b.s. and was debunked ages ago. As Truth stated, in African societies women always worked outdoors especially in agricultural work. Even royal women were known to go out and enjoy outdoor recreation. And yes, although yellow or golden color of women is an artistic convention doesn't mean it was employed all the time as Truth showed.
Posted by Neferet (Member # 17109) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: why were many Egyptians depicted reddish brown while to the South, Sudanese are darker brown and not as reddish generally?
Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Truthcentric: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness:
You also don't see Egyptian technology spreading into Africa.
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yes you do,it goes to nubia,kush,ta-seti and they make it thier own and becomes apart of nubian technology and nubian technology spreads to axum etc... Of course these other early civilizations IN AFRICA had thier own advancements too and build upon the egyptian influence technology they made thier own.
I guess when you mean africa lion-o,you mean not north,northeast east africa and east africa.
You will be dead wrong if that's what you think.The regions i mention is in africa.
Posted by L' (Member # 18238) on :
^You also see other African technology spreading into North Africa. One example that comes to mind is the diffusion of ceramics from west Africa to north Africa:
quote:Conclusion: Thus, with a solid stratigraphie and chronological context at Ounjougou, there is no doubt that ceramics appeared in sub-Saharan West Africa at least as early as in the Nile Valley,some time before 9400 cal BC. This innovation must be coupled with the re-establishment of the tropical grassland during the Early Holocene. Starting in the middle of the tenth millennium cal BC, the new technological complex may have rapidly diffused northwards, together with the advancing monsoon front, the greening of the Sahara and the massive expansion of edible Panicoid grasses
Source: The emergence of pottery in Africa during the tenth millennium cal BC: new evidence from Ounjougou (Mali)
E. Huysecom^*, M. Rasse , L Lespez^, K. Neumann , A. Fahmy^, A. Ballouche*-', S. Ozainne^ M. MaggettP, Ch. Tribolo** 6¿ S. Soriano'^ (2009) Posted by L' (Member # 18238) on :
quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric:
quote:Originally posted by L': Huge difference here. The Sudanese were biologically the closest to the ancient Egyptians. No such evidence for a close affinity with Asiatics/Libyans. As a matter of fact, a recent study posted on ES showed a genetic discontinuity between Egypt and the Nile Valley.
There's also evidence for a genetic discontinuity between Egypt and coastal northwest Africa (land of the "white" Berbers)
To add to the info you provided; Maybe this is due to the fact that northeastern African populations were descended from sub-Saharan populations:
quote:This affinity pattern between ancient Egyptians and sub-Saharans has also been noticed by several other investigators (Angel 1972; Berry and Berry 1967, 1972; Keita 1995) and has been recently reinforced by the study of Brace et al. (2005), which clearly shows that the cranial morphology of prehistoric and recent northeast African populations is linked to sub-Saharan populations (Niger-Congo populations). These results support the hypothesis that some of the Paleolithic–early Holocene populations from northeast Africa were probably descendents of sub-Saharan ancestral populations.
--Ricaut and M. Waelkens (2008)
Posted by kenndo (Member # 4846) on :
quote:Originally posted by L': [QUOTE]Originally posted by L': [qb] northeastern African populations were descended from sub-Saharan populations:
[QUOTE]This affinity pattern between ancient Egyptians and sub-Saharans has also been noticed by several other investigators (Angel 1972; Berry and Berry 1967, 1972; Keita 1995) and has been recently reinforced by the study of Brace et al. (2005), which clearly shows that the cranial morphology of prehistoric and recent northeast African populations is linked to sub-Saharan populations (Niger-Congo populations).
I AGREE.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
Alot of people don't realize that most all tomb paintings are of servants and slaves put inside the tombs so that those slaves and servants would accompany the person the tomb was meant for into the afterlife. They are depicted doing the various daily tasks they did while serving their master in this life. That goes for the models of workers found in tombs also.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Yet the point seems to have escaped your simpleton brain that these servants and workers were all EGYPTIANS and that their masters, the nobles and royals whom they work for are of the same complexion as they, if you hadn't noticed the pictures Jari posted you dummy!
Europe from ancient times up until the Industrial Revolution was feudalistic yet nobody argues that the majority peasant class represented a different 'racial' or ethnic group from the elite!
Moving on...
Since Lyingass didn't answer my previous question, can you?
What are ethnicity are these men below?
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
^Of course they were Egyptians. Egyptian slaves that is.lol
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Hey, moron! Those workers you see in the tomb murals were NOT slaves! They were Egyptian commoners and peasants. Egypt was not a slave society unlike ancient Greece whose whole economy was based on slave labor. Slaves only made up a minute minority of the population in Egypt and were usually foreign prisoners of war or domestic criminals. So what about the nobles and royals in the same murals who share the same complexions and features, retard??!
So now that you've been debunked on this, who are those people in the picture I posted above?
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Hey, moron! Those workers you see in the tomb murals were NOT slaves! They were Egyptian commoners and peasants. Egypt was not a slave society unlike ancient Greece whose whole economy was based on slave labor. Slaves only made up a minute minority of the population in Egypt and were usually foreign prisoners of war or domestic criminals. So what about the nobles and royals in the same murals who share the same complexions and features, retard??!
So now that you've been debunked on this, who are those people in the picture I posted above?
I have been debunked? lol....Now it's time to start comparing mummycases of the actual persons entombed in which these so-called peasants were to accompany in the afterlife. Start posting thimble head.
Posted by Neferet (Member # 17109) on :
^^^ewwwwww...why even give this thing a response? It is totally incapable of knowing or seeing truth
Slaves??? Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
A Simple Girl
2 FACTS that we know about Egypt and Greece....Greece was an slave society, Egypt was not.
Now please post the source you have that states that Egyptians on the Tombs were slaves. No source why even mention it?
Peace
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by KING: A Simple Girl
2 FACTS that we know about Egypt and Greece....Greece was an slave society, Egypt was not.
Now please post the source you have that states that Egyptians on the Tombs were slaves. No source why even mention it?
Peace
"Behold, I have sent you Hanya, the commissioner of the archers, with merchandise in order to have beautiful concubines, i.e. weavers; silver, gold, garments, turquoises, all sorts of precious stones, chairs of ebony, as well as all good things, worth 160 deben. In total: forty concubines - the price of every concubine is forty of silver. Therefore, send very beautiful concubines without blemish." -Amenhotep III
I gave to them captains of archers, and chief men of the tribes, branded and made into slaves, impressed with my name; their wives and their children were made likewise. Papyrus Harris James Henry Breasted Ancient Records of Egypt, Part IV, 40
The number of spoil taken in them ..... of vile Naharina who were as defenders among them, with their horses, 691 prisoners, 29 hands [of slain], 48 mares ... in that year 295 male and female slaves, 68 horses, 3 gold dishes, 3 silver dishes, .......... Report from the 42nd (?) year of the reign of Thutmose III W.M.F. Petrie A History of Egypt Part II p.122
"... The woman Iry-nofret said: '[As for me, I am the wife of the District Overseer Sa-Mut], and I came to live in his house, and I worked and [wove?] and took care of my (own) clothes. In the year 15, 7 years after I had entered the house of the District Overseer Sa-[Mut], the merchant Ray approached me with the Syrian slave Gemni-herimentet, while she was (still) a girl, [and he] said to me: "Buy this girl and give me the price for her"--so he spoke to me. And I took the girl and gave him [the price] for her. Now look, I shall tell the price which I gave for her: 1 shroud of Upper Egyptian linen, making 5 kit of silver; 1 sheet of Upper Egyptian linen, making 3 1/3 kit of silver; ... bought from the woman Katy, 1 bronze jar, making 18 deben, making 1 2/3 kit of silver; ... bought from the Chief Steward of the House of Amun, Tutu: 1 bronze jug, making 20 deben, making 2 kit of silver; 10 shirts of fine Upper Egyptian linen making 4 kit of silver-- Total of everything, 4 deben, 1 kit of silver. And I gave them to the merchant Ray, and there was nothing in them belonging to the woman Bak-Mut. And he gave me this girl, and I called her by the name Gemni-herimentet.' Translated by John A. Wilson James B. Pritchard, ed. Ancient Near Eastern Texts Relating to the Old Testament
Amenhotep III ordered 40 girls from Milkilu, the Canaanite prince of Gezer, at 40 kit of silver each
Behold, I have sent you Hanya, the commissioner of the archers, with merchandise in order to have beautiful concubines, i.e. weavers; silver, gold, garments, turquoises, all sorts of precious stones, chairs of ebony, as well as all good things, worth 160 deben. In total: forty concubines - the price of every concubine is forty of silver. Therefore, send very beautiful concubines without blemish. Letter from Amenhotep III to Milkilu
I have not domineered over slaves. I have not vilified a slave to his master. The negative confessions Book of the Dead
I appointed slaves as watchmen in thy harbour, in order to watch the harbour of the Heliopolitan canal in thy splendid place. I made door-keepers of the slaves, manned with people, in order to watch and protect thy court. I made slaves as watchmen of the canal-administration, and the watchmen of the pure barley, for thee likewise. Donation of Ramses III to the temple of Re at Heliopolis Harris Papyrus James H. Breasted Ancient Records of Egypt Part Four, § 266
Year 2, Month 2 of the Inundation Season, day 18. Will made by the Priest in Charge of the Duty-shifts (of priests) of (the god) Sopdu, Lord of the East, Wah I am making a will for my wife, a lady of the town of Gesiabet, Sheftu, nick-named Teti, daughter of Sit-Sopdu, concerning all the property that my brother Ankh-renef, the Trustworthy Sealer of the Controller of Works, gave to me along with all the goods belonging to his estate that he gave to me. She may give these things as she pleases to any children of mine she may bear. I also give to her the four Canaanites that my brother Ankh-renef, the Trustworthy Sealer of Works, gave to me. She may give (them) as she please to her children .......... Papyrus Kahun I, 1 (ca. 1900 BCE)
Two men escaped from the supervisor of the stables, Neferhotep, who had ordered them to be beaten. Since their flight there is no one to plough the earth. I'm sending this to inform my lord. Montet Daily Life in Ancient Egypt, Chapter 3, §4
Now there was upon the shore, as still there is now, a temple of Heracles, in which if any man's slave take refuge and have the sacred marks set upon him, giving himself over to the god, it is not lawful to lay hands upon him; but this custom has continued still unchanged from the beginning down to my own time. Herodotus, Histories II Gutenberg Project
If a man or two men who are unknown flee, and if they escape from the country of Egypt and if they don't want to serve him, then Hattusili, the great king, the king of the country of Hatti, has to deliver them into his brother's hands and he shall not allow them to inhabit the country of Hatti. New Kingdom From the peace treaty between Ramses II and Hattusili III
The slave given to me for my own and whose name is Amenyoiu, I have won him by the force of my arm when I accompanied my king. Listen .... He shall no longer be stopped at any of the king's gates. I have given him the daughter of my sister Nebetta as wife, who is named Takamenet, and have bequeathed him a portion equal to my wife's and my sister's. As for him, he has emerged from need and is poor no longer. Sa-bastet, royal barber, Year 27 of Thutmose III Translation after Christiane Desroches Noblecourt La femme aux temps des pharaons, page 184. Posts: 4085 | Registered: Jan 2010 | IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Posted by Sundjata (Member # 13096) on :
^^He said prove that the Egyptians on the above TOMB SCENE were slaves, do you know how to read or what?
It has become increasingly apparent to me that most who deny the African premise are either as dumb as a rock or have a 7th grade reading comprehension. The trolls of old admittedly were a bit smarter than this batch (put up a better fight) which I guess is a good sign. Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
the lioness lacks basic comprehension skills. hehehe
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: ^^He said prove that the Egyptians on the above TOMB SCENE were slaves, do you know how to read or what?
It has become increasingly apparent to me that most who deny the African premise are either as dumb as a rock or have a 7th grade reading comprehension. The trolls of old admittedly were a bit smarter than this batch (put up a better fight) which I guess is a good sign.
Myra lists those figures as Nubian Wrestlers not Egyptians, if that's the case all of you are knuckleheads. -the blind (Djehuti)leading the blind (Sundjata)
yall just got mad about that info on AE
Posted by Neferet (Member # 17109) on :
I suppose this proves your so called theory of "Ancient Egyptians" being depicted a different color from from the south (Sudan), were not always depicted a different color (darker) from themselves as NOT TRUE!
quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: ^^He said prove that the Egyptians on the above TOMB SCENE were slaves, do you know how to read or what?
It has become increasingly apparent to me that most who deny the African premise are either as dumb as a rock or have a 7th grade reading comprehension. The trolls of old admittedly were a bit smarter than this batch (put up a better fight) which I guess is a good sign.
Myra lists those figures as Nubian Wrestlers not Egyptians, if that's the case all of you are knuckleheads. -the blind (Djehuti)leading the blind (Sundjata)
quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: ^^He said prove that the Egyptians on the above TOMB SCENE were slaves, do you know how to read or what?
It has become increasingly apparent to me that most who deny the African premise are either as dumb as a rock or have a 7th grade reading comprehension. The trolls of old admittedly were a bit smarter than this batch (put up a better fight) which I guess is a good sign.
Myra lists those figures as Nubian Wrestlers not Egyptians, if that's the case all of you are knuckleheads. -the blind (Djehuti)leading the blind (Sundjata)
Where does it say that they are SLAVES you idiot?! Slllaaaaaave. S.L.A.V.E. Are you that pathetic and retarded? Neferet also just made you look even more retarded (which I didn't think was possible). Posted by Neferet (Member # 17109) on :
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by the Lyingass: Myra lists those figures as Nubian Wrestlers not Egyptians, if that's the case all of you are knuckleheads.
And exactly which figures do you speak of??? The figures wrestling each other that Jari posted are from Beni Hasan. Beni Hasan is located in Middle Egypt and there is no evidence whatsoever that they are Nubian. The fact that they are featured in Myra's webpage about Nubian wrestling was perhaps to drive the point that Nubians may have possibly introduced this fighting sport to Egypt. But since Egyptians and Nubians share common ancestry, it wouldn't matter much anyway...
Speaking of which, my question to YOU Lyingass, was who do these people here represent?
Of course I had a feeling your dishonest ass would cheat by looking at the source page.
Yes the men above are Nubians NOT Egyptians, however most honest people who don't cheat would assume they are Egyptian due to their reddish-brown color and other features, however their Nubian ethnic origin is displayed through the fish-net leggings and leopard tails they sport. So I guess this refutes your whole premise thread that Nubians are always depicted as darker than Egyptians.
So really Myra never led me at all so much as she led YOU. And nobody here is as blind as you and your sister Simpleton! LOL
quote:My question yall just got mad about that info on AE
Nope. My answer, y'all (you and Simpleton) just can't stand the FACTS when they stare you in your stupid faces. Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
If Lyingass is dumb this b|tch below has to be DUMBER.
quote:Originally posted by A Simpleton Wasted: I have been debunked? lol....Now it's time to start comparing mummycases of the actual persons entombed in which these so-called peasants were to accompany in the afterlife. Start posting thimble head.
You've been debunked because in those very same murals Jari posted are shown how the actual elite entombed looked like!!
Lord Nakht, his family, and another noble family fowling
Prince Amenkhepeshet
King Khnumhotep II foreseeing workers in the Eastern Desert
King Seti I making an offering to Osiris
A highpriest blessing King Seti I
18th dynasty royal women
Lord Userhat making offerings
Now what the f*ck made you think the above people were "peasants" or "slaves"??! Also, how will posting mummycases not painted in actual skin color help your argument??
My God, you are one of the dumbest twits I have ever come across in the internet!! You need to stop visiting this forum as its average IQ for discussion is just too high for your dumbass! LOL Posted by L' (Member # 18238) on :
K Goode (2009)
An examination of Nubian and Egyptian biological distances: Support for biological diffusion or in situ development?
Results
"The Mahalanobis D2 analysis uncovered close affinities between Nubians and Egyptians. Table 3 lists the Mahalanobis D2 distance matrix. As there is no significance testing that is available to be applied to this form of Mahalanobis distances, the biodistance scores must be interpreted in relation to one another, rather than on a general scale. In some cases, the statistics reveal that the Egyptian samples were more similar to Nubian samples than to other Egyptian samples (e.g. Gizeh and Hesa/Biga) and vice versa (e.g. Badari and Kerma, Naqada and Christian). These relationships are further depicted in the PCO plot (Fig. 2). Aside from these interpopulation relationships, some Nubian groups are still more similar to other Nubians and some Egyptians are more similar to other Egyptian samples. Moreover, although the Nubian and Egyptian samples formed one well-distributed group, the Egyptian samples clustered in the upper left region, while the Nubians concentrated in the lower right of the plot. One line can be drawn that would separate the closely dispersed Egyptians and Nubians. The predynastic Egyptian samples clustered together (Badari and Naqada), while Gizeh most closely groups with the Lisht sample. The first two principal coordinates from PCO account for 60% of the variation in the samples. The graph from PCO is basically a pictorial representation of the distance matrix and interpretations from the plot mirror the Mahalanobis D2 matrix."
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Yes but what's the point? We know Simpleton has horrible reading comprehension skills, so in to make it easier for her we post simple pictures showing the Egyptians to be dark-skinned i.e. black peoples no much different from Nubians... And what does the dummy do?! She dismisses them all as Nubian slaves, even the Egyptian elite!!
I'm telling you there is just no use in presenting anything to insane idiots who cannot accept logic or rational. Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
^Start posting mummycases thimble head.
What do you have in your arsenal? A sum total of two?
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^^^
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: You've been debunked because in those very same murals Jari posted are shown how the actual elite entombed looked like!!
Lord Nakht, his family, and another noble family fowling
Prince Amenkhepeshet
King Khnumhotep II foreseeing workers in the Eastern Desert
King Seti I making an offering to Osiris
A highpriest blessing King Seti I
18th dynasty royal women
Lord Userhat making offerings
Now what the f*ck made you think the above people were "peasants" or "slaves"??! **Also, how will posting mummycases not painted in actual skin color help your argument??** LOL
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
^It's obvious by the response above,that thimble head doesn't even have an arsenal of even two....lol
Posted by L' (Member # 18238) on :
quote:Start posting mummycases thimble head.
What do you have in your arsenal? A sum total of two?
It is apparent by your responses that you cannot address the study I presented LOL
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ LOL She can't even address the simple picture spam of fully preserved color portraits of what ancient Egyptian royals and nobles looked like, let alone any scientific studies! As for "arsenal" one must first and foremost have a fully functioning brain before they can use any other weapon, but of course that is exactly what Simpleton lacks! Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
I take it then that the Lyinass is debunked of her whole thread premise.
Nubians with the stereotypical Egyptian reddish-brown skin
Egyptian queen with the stereotypical Nubian ebony black skin
Posted by Crystal_Ball (Member # 18758) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Egyptian queen with the stereotypical Nubian ebony black skin
That is Queen Tiye from Dynasty 18 and that bust is made of Yew wood [which has darked over such along time], silver, gold, lapis lazuli, faience, H(max) 32.7 cm., Gift of James Simon, 1920, Egyptian Museum, Berlin
Queen Tiye did not really have an "afro" and was not really a Negroid. she was a Caucasoid woman with wavy Caucasoid hair.
pics of her mummified remains.
Queen Tiye's parents (Tut's great-grandparents).
Posted by Sundjata (Member # 13096) on :
^More eye-ball anthropology from the uneducated wheel chair scholars. Posted by Crystal_Ball (Member # 18758) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: ^More eye-ball anthropology from the uneducated wheel chair scholars.
Yes im a wheel chair scholar coz i proved you wrong about Queen Tiye being Negroid Nubian lol
Get over it already
Posted by Sundjata (Member # 13096) on :
quote:Originally posted by Crystal_Ball:
quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: ^More eye-ball anthropology from the uneducated wheel chair scholars.
Yes im a wheel chair scholar coz i proved you wrong about Queen Tiye being Negroid Nubian lol
Get over it already
^You must be no older than 17. You Euro nuts kill me with your illiteracy. None of you frauds can read a book with actual text or scientific studies blowing your Caucasoid fairy tale out the water so you rely on assessing human variation from photos of 3500 year old corpses. As if we couldn't match you photo for photo with Northeast African women with thick, long curly hair along with mummies with stereotyped "Negroid" features. But why bother when the scientific evidence already proves our point, leaving imbeciles like you in the dust?
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Crystal_Balls: That is Queen Tiye from Dynasty 18 and that bust is made of Yew wood [which has darked over such along time], silver, gold, lapis lazuli, faience, H(max) 32.7 cm., Gift of James Simon, 1920, Egyptian Museum, Berlin
How many times must we explain this to Euronuts such as yourself?! Firs off, the wood was PAINTED. Why else would the sclera of the eyes remain white while the pupils are truly black in color?! You can even see the brush strokes of the pain in the picture you posted, you dummy.
quote:Queen Tiye did not really have an "afro" and was not really a Negroid. she was a Caucasoid woman with wavy Caucasoid hair.
pics of her mummified remains.
Yes more inaccurate eye-ball anthropology based on a millennia old hot-dried corpse.
Here is what experts who analyzed the mummy said:
"The occipital bun is reminiscent of Mesolithic Nubians (see below). Sagittal plateau, rounded forehead with moderately projecting glabella; globular cranium with high vault. Protrusion of incisors, receding chin and steep mandible. Very vertical zygomatic arches and pronounced maxillary prognathism."-- X-ray Atlas of the Royal Mummies (Chicago: University of Chicago, 1980)
Mummification also affects hair texture as well as color.
Your point? There are black Africans who share those features.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ More Black African women
Tiye
Pharaoh Hatshepsut
Ankhesenamun, wife of Tutankhamun
Nefertari Great Wife of Ramses II
Meritaten, daughter of Akhenaten and Nefertiti
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Banqueters Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
This is what Nefertari really looked like.lol
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Of course she does... in YOUR DREAMS, my microcephalic child.
Posted by Crystal_Ball (Member # 18758) on :
You moroan! It was NOT painted.
Mummification dose not affect natural hair texture! Those people are Caucasoid get over it already face the facts instead of lies.
How come this mans hair texture dint change to Caucasoid? lol lies that Afrocentrics come up with.
or this ?
Queen Nefertari..now dont get too exited because she was not Negroid her hair is a wig which was woven in to her real hair.
Her hair had been thinning and plaits of false hair had been woven in with her own to cover this up. Her body had been damaged in antiquity and was missing her right hand.
quote:Originally posted by Crystal_Balls: [qb] That is Queen Tiye from Dynasty 18 and that bust is made of Yew wood [which has darked over such along time], silver, gold, lapis lazuli, faience, H(max) 32.7 cm., Gift of James Simon, 1920, Egyptian Museum, Berlin
How many times must we explain this to Euronuts such as yourself?! Firs off, the wood was PAINTED. Why else would the sclera of the eyes remain white while the pupils are truly black in color?! You can even see the brush strokes of the pain in the picture you posted, you dummy.
quote:Queen Tiye did not really have an "afro" and was not really a Negroid. she was a Caucasoid woman with wavy Caucasoid hair.
pics of her mummified remains.
Yes more inaccurate eye-ball anthropology based on a millennia old hot-dried corpse.
Here is what experts who analyzed the mummy said:
"The occipital bun is reminiscent of Mesolithic Nubians (see below). Sagittal plateau, rounded forehead with moderately projecting glabella; globular cranium with high vault. Protrusion of incisors, receding chin and steep mandible. Very vertical zygomatic arches and pronounced maxillary prognathism."-- X-ray Atlas of the Royal Mummies (Chicago: University of Chicago, 1980)
Mummification also affects hair texture as well as color.
Your point? There are black Africans who share those features.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Crystal_Balls: You moroan! It was NOT painted.
Yes it was. How else do you explain the color of the eyes, stupid? LOL
quote:Mummification dose not affect natural hair texture! Those people are Caucasoid get over it already face the facts instead of lies.
Yes it does, moron.
Two British anthropologists, Brothwell and Spearman, have found evidence of cortex keratin oxidation in ancient Egyptian hair. They held that the mummification process was responsible, because of the strong alkaline substance used. This resulted in the yellowing and browning of hair as well as the straightening effect.
quote:How come this mans hair texture dint change to Caucasoid? lol lies that Afrocentrics come up with.
Because that is a WIG and not his natrual hair, you dummy! LOL The only one lying here is YOU!
quote:or this ?
Queen Nefertari..now dont get too exited because she was not Negroid her hair is a wig which was woven in to her real hair.
Her hair had been thinning and plaits of false hair had been woven in with her own to cover this up. Her body had been damaged in antiquity and was missing her right hand.
You just answered your own question-- They were WINGS and WEAVES put in after mummification! LMAO And notice the style of wigs and weaves is of the braided AFRICAN type! LOL
Now Posted by Kalonji (Member # 17303) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by Crystal_Balls: You moroan! It was NOT painted.
Yes it was. How else do you explain the color of the eyes, stupid? LOL
Indeed. Nip' ma balls will have to explain why other representations of Tiye show the same coloration.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Of course, but as you can see there are very few portraits of Tiye with paint remaining. Most of the painted portraits only show her feet and legs since the face was damaged. There are many statues of her face but they are all unpainted. The wooden bust is the only surviving painted face.
^ As anyone with eyes can clearly see, the bust is painted. One can even see tiny areas in the face where the paint has peeled off. The entire bust is made of yew wood which can darken indeed but it doesn't explain why the whites of the eyes are as well preserved as the literally black pupils and while the round (afro) wig obviously has lost some paint, the paint that is found is also literally black while the color of the face is of a dark chocolate complexion.
As far as the hair being wavy and thin, again that is because of embalming.
Two British anthropologists, Brothwell and Spearman, have found evidence of cortex keratin oxidation in ancient Egyptian hair. They held that the mummification process was responsible, because of the strong alkaline substance used. This resulted in the yellowing and browning of hair as well as the straightening effect.
This is why you can't tell what a person's hair looked when alive by the way it looks when mummified. Despite the damage to the hair cortex, scientists can still tell how the hair looked in life by studying the hair cortical with a microscope.
In the early 1970s, the Czech anthropologist Eugen Strouhal examined pre-dynastic Egyptian skulls at Cambridge University. He sent some samples of the hair to the Institute of Anthropology at Charles University, Prague, to be analyzed. The hair samples were described as varying in texture from "wavy" to "curly" and in colour from "light brown" to "black". Strouhal summarized the results of the analysis:
"The outline of the cross-sections of the hairs was flattened, with indices ranging from 35 to 65. These peculiarities also show the Negroid inference among the Badarians (pre-dynastic Egyptians)."
The term "Negroid influence" suggests intermixture, but as the table suggests this hair is more "Negroid" than the San and the Zulu samples, currently the most Negroid hair in existence!
In another study, hair samples from ten 18th-25th dynasty individuals produced an average index of 51! As far back as 1877, Dr. Pruner-Bey analyzed six ancient Egyptian hair samples. Their average index of 64.4 was similar to the Tasmanians who lie at the periphery of the African-haired populations(1).
A team of Italian anthropologists published their research in the Journal of Human Evolution in 1972 and 1980. They measured two samples consisting of 26 individuals from pre-dynastic, 12th dynasty and 18th dynasty mummies. They produced a mean index of 66.50...
San, Southern African 55.00 Zulu, Southern African 55.00 Sub-Saharan Africa 60.00 Tasmanian (Black) 64.70 Australian (Black) 68.00 Western European 71.20 Asian Indian 73.00 Navajo American 77.00 Chinese 82.60
Anu M'bantu and Fari Supia (2001) Courtesy of Myra.
And then we have Tiye's mummy itself.
"The occipital bun is reminiscent of Mesolithic Nubians (see below). Sagittal plateau, rounded forehead with moderately projecting glabella; globular cranium with high vault. Protrusion of incisors, receding chin and steep mandible. Very vertical zygomatic arches and pronounced maxillary prognathism."-- X-ray Atlas of the Royal Mummies (Chicago: University of Chicago, 1980)
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
Then the Nipped Balls posted this!
quote:
Queen Nefertari..now dont get too exited because she was not Negroid her hair is a wig which was woven in to her real hair.
Her hair had been thinning and plaits of false hair had been woven in with her own to cover this up. [/b]
LOL
Who else but women of African descent weave in braids like the above into their hair?!
Posted by Just call me Jari (Member # 14451) on :
^^^^^ Indeed the new found bleats of the Phonecian7 Cheerleading University about Tiye's bust being darkened "Yew" wood makes no sense as the Eye pupils are still white, meaning the bust was painted no different than the skin of her Husband.
To add further insult to injury the Phonecian7 Cheerleaders will have to answer to this..
^^^^^ Let me Guess, Queen Tyes lips and fisage was originally a Eurasian but it became a "Negro" with Age??
Oh I know the Cheerleaders will claim this one is "Symbolic"...LMAO.
Posted by pcontrol (Member # 18503) on :
Found this picture yesterday:
Posted by Just call me Jari (Member # 14451) on :
LOL, putting an end to the Euroclown Yew Wood fantacy....
The Clowns don't even realize that the Yellow Sap wood is not the only color of Yew Wood, it also has Reddish Brown(HMMMM) Heart Wood...
LOL...Epic Fail....
More on Yew Wood...
Yew wood has Sapwood as well as Heartwood...
the colorful wood (red heartwood, white sapwood) was used to veneer furniture, to make lute bodies, bowls, tankards, combs, tool handles, pegs, and various art objects. It was used in many ways by various religions, and certain yew objects such as drinking-cups are still regarded as having a certain spiritual potency.
So typical of the Euroclown to give half ass results, and jump to conclusions only to debunk themselves.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: LOL, putting an end to the Euroclown Yew Wood fantacy....
The Clowns don't even realize that the Yellow Sap wood is not the only color of Yew Wood, it also has Reddish Brown(HMMMM) Heart Wood...
LOL...Epic Fail....
More on Yew Wood...
Yew wood has Sapwood as well as Heartwood...
the colorful wood (red heartwood, white sapwood) was used to veneer furniture, to make lute bodies, bowls, tankards, combs, tool handles, pegs, and various art objects. It was used in many ways by various religions, and certain yew objects such as drinking-cups are still regarded as having a certain spiritual potency.
So typical of the Euroclown to give half ass results, and jump to conclusions only to debunk themselves.
The Berlin museum lists:
Portrait of Queen Tiy with a Crown of Two Feathers New Kingsom, Dynasty 18, ca. 1355 BC Yew wood, silver, gold and faience inlays Medinet el Gurob Total height 8.9 inches Inv.-No. ÄM 21834, ÄM 17852
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The sculpture is not painted. It is made with the dark part of the yew wood and the eyes are inlaid with faience. Faience is a glazed non-clay ceramic material. It is composed mainly of crushed quartz or sand, with small amounts of lime and either natron or plant ash.
Posted by L' (Member # 18238) on :
So, why was the bust made with the dark part of Yew wood?
As Kalonji pointed out, other representations show Tiye with the same color
Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
Great find! It's the back end of the 3rd register of Huy receiving the envoys from kingdoms in Kush.
Can you post more from this series please.
quote:Originally posted by pcontrol: Found this picture yesterday:
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by L': So, why was the bust made with the dark part of Yew wood?
As Kalonji pointed out, other representations show Tiye with the same color
I don't know.
I'm just pointing out Djehuti's lying in saying the Tiye head was painted.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
Huy receiving the envoys from kingdoms in Kush.
_________________________________________________________ look at these figures below ______________________________________________________________________________what's this? ^^^^^^ __________________________________________________________________________some admixing part of the tribute?
how come in Egyptian art you don't see groups of Egyptians who are jet black like those top figures? If they came from the South how come you don't see that, they reserve it for certain Kushites who are already distinguished by different clothing/hairstyle/hoop earrings.
Perfect example of what I've been talking about. Egyptians are much more commonly represented in reddish brown, sometimes chocolate brown but not groups of figures jet black. (except individual Gods symbolically black) Apparently Nubia is the land of the black skinned while Egypt is the land of the black soil. Real talk.
So how could Egyptians be a reddish brick brown color yet weren't we afrocentrically taught that white people are "reds" ?
The Libyans weren't reddish. They are shown as beige in the Egyptian art. They are from the West, the Deshret, where some of the soil is reddish sometimes.
peace,
lioness productions
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Fer chrissakes will you Y'all stop mucking about with these guys and at least one gal about what the Kemitians looked like??they know what they looked like they can see the paintings and sculptures just like anyone else..for at the very best from their stand point the Kemitians would fill all colorization and phenotype befitting an AA or any new world blks at the very worst they would look their closest neighbors in Africa broad and narrow featured types with hair to match or mismatch ..all without being foreign to the continent..let them prove they are non Africans culturally . The physical thing was won yrs ago. All the above the various distractors would hate..and all were represented shade wise in ol Kemet.
Posted by Just call me Jari (Member # 14451) on :
The Lioness is right I don't think that the bust was painted. If you look at Her forehead and her outer cheek the texture is rough the Egyptian Artist Sanded those parts to gave her a Darker look but left the Area around her Nose and inner Cheeks alone to give her a Reddish Blush.
Obviously the person who made the Bust was a Master at his craft.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: The sculpture is not painted. It is made with the dark part of the yew wood and the eyes are inlaid with faience. Faience is a glazed non-clay ceramic material. It is composed mainly of crushed quartz or sand, with small amounts of lime and either natron or plant ash.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ If that's the case, then I stand corrected.
quote:Originally posted by the lyinass: I'm just pointing out Djehuti's lying in saying the Tiye head was painted.
Actually, NO. Lying is intentionally stating something false while knowing the truth otherwise. I didn't know, so I wasn't lying which is your M.O. not mine! Also unlike you, I admit to where I am mistaken. Which leaves you the desperate erroneous liar that you are.
Speaking of which...
quote:Originally posted by the lyinass:
quote:Originally posted by L': So, why was the bust made with the dark part of Yew wood?
As Kalonji pointed out, other representations show Tiye with the same color
I don't know.
Bad try, dumb liar, but an old bronze statue of a Roman is not the same as a more realistic portrait of an Egyptian!
Getting back to Jari, you're right the craftsman must have been very gifted since the details do look as if it is a paint job. Either way, it would make no sense for artists to use wood that they know would darken if the portrait was mean to last eternity the way all portraits of royals were. You are correct that they used the dark heartwood part to make her portrait, which still defeats the Euronuts claims.
It's funny because not only the skin color but the features of the bust match those of this Beja woman.
The Beja of course are a northeastern African people who live between the eastern banks of the Nile and the Red Sea from Egypt to Eritrea and linguistically as well as culturally are the closest relatives to the Egyptians.
Can any "caucasian" woman come this close to looking like Tiye?
Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
Hi-res image of Tiye Ghurob bust now in Berlin to examine for fine details.
Dorothea Arnold The Royal Women of Amarna New York: The Metropolitan Museum of Art, 1996
JPEG image courtesy of Mark S. Moak Professor of Art, Rocky Mountain College
Posted by pcontrol (Member # 18503) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Huy receiving the envoys from kingdoms in Kush.
_________________________________________________________ look at these figures below [IMG]http://www.abload.de/img/new998h.jpg[/MG] ______________________________________________________________________________what's this? ^^^^^^ __________________________________________________________________________some admixing part of the tribute?
how come in Egyptian art you don't see groups of Egyptians who are jet black like those top figures? If they came from the South how come you don't see that, they reserve it for certain Kushites who are already distinguished by different clothing/hairstyle/hoop earrings.
Perfect example of what I've been talking about. Egyptians are much more commonly represented in reddish brown, sometimes chocolate brown but not groups of figures jet black. (except individual Gods symbolically black) Apparently Nubia is the land of the black skinned while Egypt is the land of the black soil. Real talk.
So how could Egyptians be a reddish brick brown color yet weren't we afrocentrically taught that white people are "reds" ?
The Libyans weren't reddish. They are shown as beige in the Egyptian art. They are from the West, the Deshret, where some of the soil is reddish sometimes.
peace,
lioness productions
If you look carefully at the group at the top-right of the picture, two of them are painted black while the two others have the same shade of color as the egyptians.
Posted by MindoverMatter718 (Member # 15400) on :
@ Alt,
Great pic resolution of an millenia old artifact, feels like she's staring right at me so strikingly real, powerful, strong and might I add beautiful.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Hi-res image of Tiye Ghurob bust now in Berlin to examine for fine details.
Dorothea Arnold The Royal Women of Amarna New York: The Metropolitan Museum of Art, 1996
JPEG image courtesy of Mark S. Moak Professor of Art, Rocky Mountain College
notice the significant color difference between the two photos, why is that? Looks more yellowish less afrocentric version larger version.
hard to tell what's going on with the overall skin tine.
Again the materials listed:
Portrait of Queen Tiy with a Crown of Two Feathers New Kingsom, Dynasty 18, ca. 1355 BC Yew wood, silver, gold and faience inlays Medinet el Gurob Total height 8.9 inches Inv.-No. ÄM 21834, ÄM 17852
It looks like some gold may have been worked into the skin tone or maybe it's just the Yew wood which does have two colors in it. hard to tell
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Lighting may have one thing to do with it. Lighting especially from flash photography on an image that is already lighted may cause such an effect.
Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
True, no simple photoflash lighting for that image but as you imply there were plenty external lights.
There are no shadows. Strong light was focused on the bust from every direction so as to yield the highest of quality photograph to reveal the minutest of details.
If the lips are painted, as per Fred S. Kleiner (2010:60) posted below, then from Arnold's photo we can see that so were the face and neck. This "bust" is only 3¾ inches high and was reworked in antiquity. It may have been part of a cult statuette.
The outerside of the left nostril is nicked and the natural color of the wood is seen neither to be the brown nor the yellow. In fact, one can see the yellow rimming the nick.
The eyes are inlaid. The part of the eyelids where the eyelashes grow and the eyebrows are in black.
Exactly what I thought the high resolution photo's lighting is off, its shadows seem off too, Ive never seen it like that before. Obviously the Tiye bust was made from the Heart Wood of the Yew Wood.
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Lighting may have one thing to do with it. Lighting especially from flash photography on an image that is already lighted may cause such an effect.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Of course. I've mentioned this in past threads on Egyptian art about how some Eurocentrics would purposefully find certain photos of portraits where the lighting skews the true color or complexion and make them seem lighter.
Though such distorted lighting can help at times to uncover certain things about the artwork.
Take for example the photo of Nefertiti above. The lighting actually exposes traces of darker paint which itself is faded around the cheek and especially the neck area. I have seen an older photo of Nefertiti from the 80s where the lighting was done so that the resolution was terrible, yet you could very much see the traces of reddish coloring around the face was originally much darker.
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