That is besides Idi Amin of Uganda for whom they made the movie, the last black king of scotland.
It set me wondering, why?
Why did they say Idi Amin claimed he was the last Black King of Scotland, (recall he did not claim to be the first).
And I started asking, were there ever any black kings in Scotland?
Given that Caledonia did have many Black people in the times of Rome.
That is the drift of this thread....
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Iron. Egmond has that nice painting of the Stuart King Charles II of Scotland.
I don't have much Scottish material but I do have this page on Africans / Negroes / blacks of Southwest England where the early miners were concentrated:
^Powerful!
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
King Kenneth Dubh: 962 – 997 AD
Dub mac Maíl Coluim (Modern Gaelic: Dubh mac Mhaoil Chaluim) sometimes anglicised as Duff MacMalcolm Niger, “the Black” (died 967) was king of Alba.
He was son of Malcolm I (Máel Coluim mac Domnaill) and succeeded to the throne when Indulf (Ildulb mac Causantín) was killed in 962.
Niger Val Dubh lived and reigned over certain black divisions in Scotland. A clan of Scots known as ‘the sons of the blacks’ (MacDub or MacDuib, MacDuff) succeeded him in history. (JA Rogers, Sex and Race).
Dubh’s descendants, the clann Dubh, (clan MacDuff) became officials of the Scottish court and later Earls of Fife.
Cináed mac Duib (Modern Gaelic: Coinneach mac Dhuibh) anglicised as Kenneth III, and nicknamed An Donn, “the Chief” or “the Brown”, (before 967–25 March 1005) was King of Scots from 997 to 1005. He was the son of Dub (Dub mac Maíl Coluim) otherwise known as Kenneth Niger or the black. His image depicts him as a black Scotsman. His line of Kings descending from King Kenneth Dubh was known as the “sons of the black.” See J.A. Rogers. Dub is a Gaelic word meaning black.
He succeeded to the throne perhaps after killing his cousin Constantine III (reigned 995–997); he was himself killed at Monzievaird by Malcolm (son of Kenneth II), who became Malcolm II. Gruoch, wife of the future King Macbeth, was apparently a granddaughter of Kenneth III.
The father of Kenneth III was known as “the black”. Kenneth himself was known as “the brown”. Probably because he was mixed blood or probably because he was lighter in complexion than his father. Whatever may be that answer, it is clear that Kenneth Dub and Kenneth III were darker in complexion than what represents itself as the Scots of today.
Black Scots and red Scots, Red Scots and black; I hae dealt wi’ the red Scot, An’ dealt wi’ the black. The Red Scot is angry Among the sons o’ men— He’ll pay you a bawbee, An’ steal it back again.
Black Scots and red Scots, Red Scots and black; I hae dealt wi’ the red Scot, An’ dealt wi’ the black.
The Black Scot is frien’ly— A brither an’ a’— He’ll pay you a bawbee, An’ steal back twa.
The Ginger Scot o’ a’ Scots, The warst shade o’ Scot, For he’ll pay ye naething, An’ tak’ a’ you’ve got.
Black Scots and red Scots, Short Scots an’ lang, Ginger Scots an’ bald Scots— I dealt wi’ the gang.
"Ancient and Modern Britons" Vol I & II by David Mac Ritchie is full of evidence for existence of Black scots and among them " Kenneth King of Alban; who was known as Dubh, Niger or the Black " P 266 Vol I
* Macduff/Magha Dubh = The son of the blacks:The clan of the Black , Vol I P 266 (according to the swarthy and black colour of those of the tribe)
* Kenneth ruled blacks and whites in scotland ,Vol II p 87
* Magha Dubh shortened into McDuff , represented "one division of the posterity of this powerful black king", Vol II p 87
* Black Monks in Scotland, Vol II p 291
* P 272 ,The black races of Scotland , Vol I * P 116,about the ancestors of the McLeod : "from Leod,son to the Black prince of Man", Vol I
etc, etc
These 2 books are very embarrassing (with skeletal evidence , analyzed by Pr Huxley a scholar of that time) for Euronuts : Black Danes, Black Celts, Black Vikings,Black Huns,Black Druids,Black Hungarians,Black (Kara) Tartars of Genghis Khan, the Black Moors of Great Britain in General...
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nehesy: David Mac Ritchie is full of
Posted by Nehesy (Member # 17252) on :
Lot of evidence in these 2 books yes..
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nehesy: "Ancient and Modern Britons" Vol I & II by David Mac Ritchie is full of evidence for existence of Black scots and among them " Kenneth King of Alban; who was known as Dubh, Niger or the Black " P 266 Vol I
* Macduff/Magha Dubh = The son of the blacks:The clan of the Black , Vol I P 266 (according to the swarthy and black colour of those of the tribe)
* Kenneth ruled blacks and whites in scotland ,Vol II p 87
* Magha Dubh shortened into McDuff , represented "one division of the posterity of this powerful black king", Vol II p 87
* Black Monks in Scotland, Vol II p 291
* P 272 ,The black races of Scotland , Vol I * P 116,about the ancestors of the McLeod : "from Leod,son to the Black prince of Man", Vol I
etc, etc
These 2 books are very embarrassing (with skeletal evidence , analyzed by Pr Huxley a scholar of that time) for Euronuts : Black Danes, Black Celts, Black Vikings,Black Huns,Black Druids,Black Hungarians,Black (Kara) Tartars of Genghis Khan, the Black Moors of Great Britain in General...
Teach! Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nehesy: "Ancient and Modern Britons" Vol I & II by David Mac Ritchie is full of evidence for existence of Black scots and among them " Kenneth King of Alban; who was known as Dubh, Niger or the Black " P 266 Vol I
* Macduff/Magha Dubh = The son of the blacks:The clan of the Black , Vol I P 266 (according to the swarthy and black colour of those of the tribe)
* Kenneth ruled blacks and whites in scotland ,Vol II p 87
* Magha Dubh shortened into McDuff , represented "one division of the posterity of this powerful black king", Vol II p 87
* Black Monks in Scotland, Vol II p 291
* P 272 ,The black races of Scotland , Vol I * P 116,about the ancestors of the McLeod : "from Leod,son to the Black prince of Man", Vol I
etc, etc
These 2 books are very embarrassing (with skeletal evidence , analyzed by Pr Huxley a scholar of that time) for Euronuts : Black Danes, Black Celts, Black Vikings,Black Huns,Black Druids,Black Hungarians,Black (Kara) Tartars of Genghis Khan, the Black Moors of Great Britain in General...
MacRitchies' ''black race'' is Melanochroi (Mediterranid) and Australoid, not Negroid.
Afrocentric retards diliberately distort his racial typology and views.
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
Yes there were black kings in Scotland. Black and blue from beating each other half to death.lol
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^you are a recent immigrant into Caledonia. Your types are albino asiatic nomads. Running after dogs from central Asia to the Americas.... LMBAO!
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by Nehesy: "Ancient and Modern Britons" Vol I & II by David Mac Ritchie is full of evidence for existence of Black scots and among them " Kenneth King of Alban; who was known as Dubh, Niger or the Black " P 266 Vol I
* Macduff/Magha Dubh = The son of the blacks:The clan of the Black , Vol I P 266 (according to the swarthy and black colour of those of the tribe)
* Kenneth ruled blacks and whites in scotland ,Vol II p 87
* Magha Dubh shortened into McDuff , represented "one division of the posterity of this powerful black king", Vol II p 87
* Black Monks in Scotland, Vol II p 291
* P 272 ,The black races of Scotland , Vol I * P 116,about the ancestors of the McLeod : "from Leod,son to the Black prince of Man", Vol I
etc, etc
These 2 books are very embarrassing (with skeletal evidence , analyzed by Pr Huxley a scholar of that time) for Euronuts : Black Danes, Black Celts, Black Vikings,Black Huns,Black Druids,Black Hungarians,Black (Kara) Tartars of Genghis Khan, the Black Moors of Great Britain in General...
MacRitchies' ''black race'' is Melanochroi (Mediterranid) and Australoid, not Negroid.
Afrocentric retards diliberately distort his racial typology and views.
Retard
You mean MacRitchie confused himself when he was writing about the black race in Scotland? You think MacRitchie never saw a Muur in his lifetime?
Whao..you are getting worse!
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by Nehesy: "Ancient and Modern Britons" Vol I & II by David Mac Ritchie is full of evidence for existence of Black scots and among them " Kenneth King of Alban; who was known as Dubh, Niger or the Black " P 266 Vol I
* Macduff/Magha Dubh = The son of the blacks:The clan of the Black , Vol I P 266 (according to the swarthy and black colour of those of the tribe)
* Kenneth ruled blacks and whites in scotland ,Vol II p 87
* Magha Dubh shortened into McDuff , represented "one division of the posterity of this powerful black king", Vol II p 87
* Black Monks in Scotland, Vol II p 291
* P 272 ,The black races of Scotland , Vol I * P 116,about the ancestors of the McLeod : "from Leod,son to the Black prince of Man", Vol I
etc, etc
These 2 books are very embarrassing (with skeletal evidence , analyzed by Pr Huxley a scholar of that time) for Euronuts : Black Danes, Black Celts, Black Vikings,Black Huns,Black Druids,Black Hungarians,Black (Kara) Tartars of Genghis Khan, the Black Moors of Great Britain in General...
MacRitchies' ''black race'' is Melanochroi (Mediterranid) and Australoid, not Negroid.
Afrocentric retards diliberately distort his racial typology and views.
Retard
You mean MacRitchie confused himself when he was writing about the black race in Scotland? You think MacRitchie never saw a Muur in his lifetime?
Whao..you are getting worse!
I own Ancient and Modern Britons (original 1884 copies) and even have posted a photo of them and reviewed them. I've gone through them thoroughly. They do not support what Afrocentrics claim. As i expained MacRitchie's ''black race'' was in fact Australoid, not Negroid. He makes the distinction from the beginning of his first volume. His proposed that the aboriginal race of Britain is Australoid-Melanochroi (Mediterranid) following Huxley's (1870's) theory that Mediterreneans were the product of xanthochroi (Nordics) and Australoids. This theory today is absolete.
The ''old black breed'' of Scotland which MacRitchie discusses drawing from J.F. Campbell's West Highland Tales, vol. i (1860) are the swarthy Mediterrenean peoples. They are not Negroids. Mauros (Moor) means dark skin and MacRitchie repeatedly clarifies it is a word that does not denote skin a dark as a negro.
- Basically you are an idiot. You don't know a thing about MacRitchie or his literature, just like a typical afronut you distort his views. You simpletons do the same with Grafton Elliot Smith as well.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^No lion, This is the worst! Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.
SO THIS IS WHAT THE ANCIENT BRITISH LOOKED LIKE!!!!
Cass, give it up, you are tripping over your own tongue. Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
OK!! I really don't belong here..Iam out.. Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^No lion, This is the worst! Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.
SO THIS IS WHAT THE ANCIENT BRITISH LOOKED LIKE!!!!
Cass, give it up, you are tripping over your own tongue.
Hehe..
That boy Casshit needs a shrink! LMBAO Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
^ Looks like you didn't read what i stated.
MacRitchie followed Huxley's (1870's) theory that the Melanochroi (Mediterrenean) peoples were the result of Xanthochroi (Nordics) and Australoids.
The indigenous people of Britain, MacRitchie thought looked like this -
This is the Mediterrenean phenotype, but he thought you got this if you mixed the Nordics and Australoids. This theory is obsolete and has been disgarded for well over 100 years.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^Hehe..., Retard,
Cite directly from MacRitchie to demonstrate that he followed Huxley's theory. Otherwise you are a liar, liar liar....
ti..hehe....
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
^ It's from page 2 of his work, and is what his entire ethnological theory is based on.
Page 2 is entitled: ''Fair Whites and Dark Whites'' and he uses Huxley's Australoid-Xanthochroi theory.
Page 7 is entitled ''Australioids'', Huxley's alternitive spelling of Australoid.
I'm not though wasting half an hour to type it all out. It's exactly what i've summarised above.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ It's from page 2 of his work, and is what his entire ethnological theory is based on.
Page 2 is entitled: ''Fair Whites and Dark Whites'' and he uses Huxley's Australoid-Xanthochroi theory.
Page 7 is entitled ''Australioids'', Huxley's alternitive spelling of Australoid.
I'm not though wasting half an hour to type it all out. It's exactly what i've summarised above.
Liar! LMBAO Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Muur:
quote: “DOUGALL (Generally Mac-Dougall): Gael. dhu, black, and gall, a stranger – an expression used by the CELTIC INHABITANTS OF SCOTLAND to DENOTE A LOWLANDER, or ANY ONE NOT OF THEIR OWN RACE. It is still in use as a baptismal name” – Page 93 (“Dou- to Dow-”), “Patronymica Britannica: A Dictionary of the Family Names of the United Kingdom” by Mark Antony Lower, 1860
quote: “Duff, a surname adopted from the Celtic, in which? language the word means black. Sibbald, in his History of Fife, says, ” that as Niger and Rufus were names of families amongst the Romans, from the colour and complexion of men, so it seems Duff was, from the swarthy and black colour of those of the tribe,” or clan of Macduff.”
-The Scottish nation; or, The surnames, families, literature, honours, and biographical history of the people of Scotland (1877) by William Anderson
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Aren't the Albinos sad? Their lies are So stupid, like others can't read.
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Posted by Nehesy (Member # 17252) on :
David MacRitchie , « Ancient and Modern Britons » , 1884
1. Vol I, page 46 :
"Any latin dictionary, any old one at least, will tell you that maurus is a 'moor', a 'blackamoor' or a'tawny moor '. And Shakespeare uses the world 'moor' as a synonym for 'negro'(Merchant of Venice, act III, scene V)''..."At that last world bears nowadays a somewhat restricted meaning , it may be better to take the old fashioned « blackamoor »,as the nearest English rendering of maurus signifying thereby any black, or brown skinned man".
2. Vol II Page 87
"....One division of the posterity of this powerful black king, of the tenth century, became known to Gaelic-speaking people as MAGA DUBH ( Mc Duff) or "clan of the black ", see also Vol I page 161-162
3. Vol I, page 214 :
"And in the diction of the past, A black man was a moor...."
MacRitchie speaks of :
- Xantochroid : White,
- Melanchroid (Xantochroid , mixed with Austroloid i.e blacks)
- Austroloids
But Also :
- Blackamoors (Moors)
- Black People of scotland (Duine Dubh = Black Man in scottish gaelic ) : Vol I page 47
- Black people of Ireland (Duine Gorm = Black Man in Irish Gaelic) : Vol I page 47
- Moravia or river of the moors : Vol I p 49 ( one of the tribe was called Quadi and fought the romans)
- Black people of Wales (Bwabach, Coblynau, Adhach Dubh or Avagddu) : Vol I page 156
- Black Knight of Lancashire : Vol I page 158
- Black Scandinavians (Thorfinn and Thorhall) : Vol I page 117
- Black Scandinavians (DUBH-LOCHLINNEAICH ) and White scandinavians (FIONN-LOCHLINNEAICH ): Vol I page 117
Romans found black people in britain :
- Vol I P 45: Pliny described them as AETHIOPIUM
- Vol I P 46-47 : Claudian described them as blackamoor
Etc, etc and many more : Scotland, Spain, France, England, Ireland, Denmark etc
- Volume I : pages 21,121,131
- Volume II : pages 17,20,27,87,102,107,112,113,127,188-189,297,322,328-329,360,392
Etc, etc
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ Looks like you didn't read what i stated.
MacRitchie followed Huxley's (1870's) theory that the Melanochroi (Mediterrenean) peoples were the result of Xanthochroi (Nordics) and Australoids.
The indigenous people of Britain, MacRitchie thought looked like this -
This is the Mediterrenean phenotype, but he thought you got this if you mixed the Nordics and Australoids. This theory is obsolete and has been disgarded for well over 100 years.
MacRitchie wrote, "the legends and teh history of the Scottish Highlands are both witnesses to the exisnence of a purely black people there." Ancient and Modern Britons vol. II p.327, 1884.
Obviously the Scottish or Hibernians being referred to as "black as any American savage whatsoever" in Journey to the Hebrides 1773, pp. 139-40. Refers to black Scots not white men with dark eyebrows.
Interesting bust, Kenneth el Dubh also known as Cinaed son of Dubh (called "Niger" or the black)- the King of Alban. His descendants were called the sons of the blacks Dubhgaill or Douglasses. Dubh was son of Malcolm or Maíl Coluim.
So much for the Mathilda theory or Euronut propoganda rather, that when early Europeans said black they didn't really mean black - just dark haired. .lol!
This guy could very well have been a Berber since he is wearing a band around his head in Moorish style, or they may have just depicted him like a Moor. I'd like to know when this busts dates to, and where it is from.
Boswell wrote of one clan, the McCraes, "Some were as black and wild in their appearance as any American savages, whatsoever." Martin who had visited these Western islands eithy years before Boswell said of the people of Jura, "black of complexion," of Islay, "generally black"' and of Arran, "generally brown and some of a black complexion." From Western Islands of Scotland, pp. 236, 268, 272. cited in Nature Knows No Color Line.
Jurjura mountains were once inhabited by Mauri whom both Procopius and Corippus in the 6th century call black men.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nehesy: [QB] David MacRitchie , « Ancient and Modern Britons » , 1884
1. Vol I, page 46 :
"Any latin dictionary, any old one at least, will tell you that maurus is a 'moor', a 'blackamoor' or a'tawny moor '. And Shakespeare uses the world 'moor' as a synonym for 'negro'(Merchant of Venice, act III, scene V)''..."At that last world bears nowadays a somewhat restricted meaning , it may be better to take the old fashioned « blackamoor »,as the nearest English rendering of maurus signifying thereby any black, or brown skinned man".
He clarifies 'mauros' means dark or brown skinned, not strictly Negro black. The Melanochroi are swarthy or olive skinned, they are Caucasoid, or ''dark white'' not Negroid - as MacRitchie repeatedly notes, p. 45 -
''The Iberians are styled ''swarthy''... The word swarthy is rather elastic, for although literally schwartz, yet it is taken, I fancy, to mean something not quite so dark as the colour of the Negro''
Nowhere does MacRitchie say the Iberians/Moors are Negroid, he identifies them as the Melanochroi or ''dark whites'' who are Caucasoid.
quote:2. Vol II Page 87
"....One division of the posterity of this powerful black king, of the tenth century, became known to Gaelic-speaking people as MAGA DUBH ( Mc Duff) or "clan of the black ", see also Vol I page 161-162
3. Vol I, page 214 :
"And in the diction of the past, A black man was a moor...."
MacRitchie's ''black race'' is not Negroid, its Australoid who he believed produced the Melanochroi division through admixture with the Xanthochroi (Nordic) and from whom the Moors, Picts, Gypsies, Iberians etc derived.
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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MIKE I’D LIKE TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU. IT SHOWS IDENTICAL AND SIMILAR INSTANCES OF TRIBAL NAMES BETWEEN AFRICA AND AUSTRALIA.
African tribal nams are found in a book by a former professor in the Yale University Department of Anthropology: George Peter Murdock, Africa – its peoples and their cultural history, (McGraw-Hill Book Company, Inc., New York, 1959).
Conversely, Australian tribal names are found in: Norman Tindale, Aboriginal Tribes of Australia – their terrain, environmental controls, distribution, limits, and proper names, (University of California Press, Los Angeles, 1974).
The following paired tribal names are in an African/Australian order. Keep in mind that these books were written by two different men at two different times on two different continents. The exact spellings are taken from each respective above book: Anna/Anna, Bemba/Bemba, Goa/Goa, Gogo/Gogo, Jang/Jang, Jawara/Jawara (Adaman Islands), Koko/Koko, Kuri/Kuri, Madi/Madi-Madi, Maori/Maori (New Zealand), Mau/Mau, Mau/Maui (Hawaii), Meru/Meru, Munga/Munga, Nana/Nana, Ngala/Ngala, Ngumbu/Ngumbu, Ngundi/Ngundi, Njao/Njao, Nyamba/Nyamba, Tura/Tura, Waka/Waka, Woga/Woga, Yang/Yang, Yao/Yao.
Several near duplicates in the order of African/Australian here follow: Ngaga/Ngadja, Ngalaga/ Ngalagan, Ngama/Ngamadi, Ngamatak/ Ngamatta, Ngan/Ngan:a, Nganda/Nganadjara, Ngiri/ Ngirla, Ngoal/Ngoala, Ngolo/ Ngolok, Ngombe/Ngombaru, Ngoni/Ngonde, Ngulu/ Ngulubulu and Nguludjara, Nguru/Nguro, Njamus/Njamat, Njanja/Njana, Njungene/Njung, Nyamang/Nyamba.
For the immense period of time that it took for Africans to migrate to Australia, the tribal names remained intact.
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Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
^ LOL.
Retard, how is the Mediterrenean race Negro?
Meditterenean people look like this -
They are White/Caucasoid.
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ It's from page 2 of his work, and is what his entire ethnological theory is based on.
Page 2 is entitled: ''Fair Whites and Dark Whites'' and he uses Huxley's Australoid-Xanthochroi theory.
Page 7 is entitled ''Australioids'', Huxley's alternitive spelling of Australoid.
I'm not though wasting half an hour to type it all out. It's exactly what i've summarised above.
CAH-SH*T-HE-RIDES with all the other b.s. that you've both taken the time and wasted your time typing here, for people here to waste their time reading, jancrow you may as well...
COP-OUT. Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Zaharan found the fellow to be a pathological liar and he calls someone retarded.
Cassi-Fakdes: MULTIPLE TIMES AT BAT, MULTIPLE EXPOSURES AS A FAKE...
--fake claim that no Australian Abo over 20 is blonde
-- fake claim that tropical Africans do not have any diversity in hair, skin or eye color
-- fake Cavalli-Sforza citation
-- 2nd fake Cavalli-Sforza reference
-- Faked Watson reference
-- Faked Biblical reference
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Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: . .
Zaharan found the fellow to be a pathological liar and he calls someone retarded.
Cassi-Fakdes: MULTIPLE TIMES AT BAT, MULTIPLE EXPOSURES AS A FAKE...
--fake claim that no Australian Abo over 20 is blonde
-- fake claim that tropical Africans do not have any diversity in hair, skin or eye color
-- fake Cavalli-Sforza citation
-- 2nd fake Cavalli-Sforza reference
-- Faked Watson reference
-- Faked Biblical reference
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See di bridle and reins deh....home-grown fe di azz-riding.... Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
"In 1862, John Beddoe, an esteemed ethnologist, published Races of Britain in which he described those of Celtic descent as having features similar to those of African descent.... "
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by Nehesy: [QB] David MacRitchie , « Ancient and Modern Britons » , 1884
1. Vol I, page 46 :
"Any latin dictionary, any old one at least, will tell you that maurus is a 'moor', a 'blackamoor' or a'tawny moor '. And Shakespeare uses the world 'moor' as a synonym for 'negro'(Merchant of Venice, act III, scene V)''..."At that last world bears nowadays a somewhat restricted meaning , it may be better to take the old fashioned « blackamoor »,as the nearest English rendering of maurus signifying thereby any black, or brown skinned man".
He clarifies 'mauros' means dark or brown skinned, not strictly Negro black. The Melanochroi are swarthy or olive skinned, they are Caucasoid, or ''dark white'' not Negroid - as MacRitchie repeatedly notes, p. 45 -
''The Iberians are styled ''swarthy''... The word swarthy is rather elastic, for although literally schwartz, yet it is taken, I fancy, to mean something not quite so dark as the colour of the Negro''
Nowhere does MacRitchie say the Iberians/Moors are Negroid, he identifies them as the Melanochroi or ''dark whites'' who are Caucasoid.
quote:2. Vol II Page 87
"....One division of the posterity of this powerful black king, of the tenth century, became known to Gaelic-speaking people as MAGA DUBH ( Mc Duff) or "clan of the black ", see also Vol I page 161-162
3. Vol I, page 214 :
"And in the diction of the past, A black man was a moor...."
MacRitchie's ''black race'' is not Negroid, its Australoid who he believed produced the Melanochroi division through admixture with the Xanthochroi (Nordic) and from whom the Moors, Picts, Gypsies, Iberians etc derived.
MacRitchie wrote, "the legends and the history of the Scottish Highlands are both witnesses to the exisnence of a purely black people there." Ancient and Modern Britons vol. II p.327, 1884.
There is no such thing as an Australoid outside of an Australian aboriginal which is a type of early man whose hair ranges from straight to kinky. BTW - noone said anything about Negroid either, being that there is no such a thing. Negroid means broad nosed and prognathic. It can refer to anything that IS. It is not used for a race in anthropology.
African "Black" man wearing African head band is enough evidence for me.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote: Godfrey Higgins says in the first Volume of Anacalypsis, “In my Essay on The Celtic Druids, I have shewn, that a great nation called the Celtae, of whom the Druids were the priests, spread themselves almost over the whole earth, and are to be traced in their rude gigantic monuments from India to the extremity of Britain. Who these can have been but the early individuals of the black nation of whom we have been treating I know not, and in this opinion I am not singular.
The learned Maurice says, "Cushites, i.e. Celts, built the great temples in India and Britain, and excavated the caves of the former." And the learned Mathematician, Ruben Burrow, has no hesitation in pronouncing Stonehenge to be a temple of the black, curly-headed Buddha." ...
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
This whole thread is in response to my thread about gospel music having Scottish origins.lol...Now the fruitcakes are desperate to prove that the Scottish were black. I'll have to see what I can dig up in the way of medieval Scottish art to see how they really looked. Posted by wooja (Member # 19212) on :
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: This whole thread is in response to my thread about gospel music having Scottish origins.lol...Now the fruitcakes are desperate to prove that the Scottish were black. I'll have to see what I can dig up in the way of medieval Scottish art to see how they really looked.
we all know popular music today was created by African's.
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
Someone needs to do a remake of the movie Braveheart, because someone didn't tell them that all of the actors should have been a bunch of brown guys.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: This whole thread is in response to my thread about gospel music having Scottish origins.lol...Now the fruitcakes are desperate to prove that the Scottish were black. I'll have to see what I can dig up in the way of medieval Scottish art to see how they really looked.
Aha, a little art is always good for illustration.
I present some Celtic Saints.
Saint Columba - An old Celt:
The Icon is Saint Columcille (Columba) of Iona, by Maria Elchaninova-Struve.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche:
African "Black" man wearing African head band is enough evidence for me.
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evidence of what?
According to the Spanish tradition, the four moors' symbol appeared first in the celebrations following the victory in the Battle of Alcoraz by King Peter I of Aragon and Navarre in 1096, where the four moors refer to the Arab defeat by his hand. The Moors' heads appeared originally in Aragonese and Catalan coats- and banners-of-arms in several places throughout their Mediterranean domains (Aragon, Corsica, Sardinia etc.). They intended to represent Moorish kings defeated and/or captured in combat (no actual persons and in no real number) and hence the Catalan and Aragonese participation in the Reconquest. In Medieval heraldry they were simply blazoned as "moors' heads" (or more frequently "blackamoors' heads" in English heraldry) and it was irrelevant where was the "tortil" (a headband , not a blindfold) placed or even whether it appeared at all.Since the 18th century, the flag was represented with the heads turned to the left and the bandages to hide the moors' eyes. The official recognition of the flag of Sardinia inside the Italian Republic came in 1952, thanks to a Presidential decree. A regional law approved in 1999 changed the flag, with the heads now turned to the right and the bandages encircling the forehead.
why do we pretend?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: This whole thread is in response to my thread about gospel music having Scottish origins.lol...Now the fruitcakes are desperate to prove that the Scottish were black. I'll have to see what I can dig up in the way of medieval Scottish art to see how they really looked.
Aha, a little art is always good for illustration.
I present some Celtic Saints.
Saint Columba - An old Celt:
The Icon is Saint Columcille (Columba) of Iona, by Maria Elchaninova-Struve.
Cernnuns the Celtic Horned God:
Face of the Muur:
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: Someone needs to do a remake of the movie Braveheart, because someone didn't tell them that all of the actors should have been a bunch of brown guys.
Look at the stone faces of those Muurish-Celtic stone monuments.
Now you know what happened. How you got there as a late comer, how you begged for a corner, how you turned a vampire and a murderess, how come it is became the twilight of the Celtic Gods:
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche:
African "Black" man wearing African head band is enough evidence for me.
evidence of what?
According to the Spanish tradition, the four moors' symbol appeared first in the celebrations following the victory in the Battle of Alcoraz by King Peter I of Aragon and Navarre in 1096, where the four moors refer to the Arab defeat by his hand. The Moors' heads appeared originally in Aragonese and Catalan coats- and banners-of-arms in several places throughout their Mediterranean domains (Aragon, Corsica, Sardinia etc.). They intended to represent Moorish kings defeated and/or captured in combat (no actual persons and in no real number) and hence the Catalan and Aragonese participation in the Reconquest. In Medieval heraldry they were simply blazoned as "moors' heads" (or more frequently "blackamoors' heads" in English heraldry) and it was irrelevant where was the "tortil" (a headband , not a blindfold) placed or even whether it appeared at all.Since the 18th century, the flag was represented with the heads turned to the left and the bandages to hide the moors' eyes. The official recognition of the flag of Sardinia inside the Italian Republic came in 1952, thanks to a Presidential decree. A regional law approved in 1999 changed the flag, with the heads now turned to the right and the bandages encircling the forehead.
why do we pretend? [/QB]
Silly the "Mauri" were described as black men wearing head bands and rings in their ears in Roman texts. They also said their women uttered oracles in trance states and made prophecies similar to women in modern black Africa.
Black short haired Moors are pictured all over Europe by the hundreds in statues, carvings and in paintings with bands of some sort wrapped around their black and near black heads.
Is there something that you can not put together here in your head - like 2 and 2 and if so, why not?!
German depiction of Moors
Notice black or Moor didn't mean white in Germany
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
King Kenneth Dubh: 962 – 997 AD
Dub mac Maíl Coluim (Modern Gaelic: Dubh mac Mhaoil Chaluim) sometimes anglicised as Duff MacMalcolm Niger, “the Black” (died 967) was king of Alba.
He was son of Malcolm I (Máel Coluim mac Domnaill) and succeeded to the throne when Indulf (Ildulb mac Causantín) was killed in 962.
Niger Val Dubh lived and reigned over certain black divisions in Scotland. A clan of Scots known as ‘the sons of the blacks’ (MacDub or MacDuib, MacDuff) succeeded him in history. (JA Rogers, Sex and Race).
Dubh’s descendants, the clann Dubh, (clan MacDuff) became officials of the Scottish court and later Earls of Fife.
Anyone has any further questions? Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
Is this the brown guy that lead all those other brown guys into battle against the Visigoths of Spain? Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
Wasn't North Africa invaded and conquered by the Visigoths previously before the conquest of Spain in 711 A.D.? A large part of the Moorish army was probably(you guessed it) descendants of the Visigoths.
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by Nehesy: [QB] David MacRitchie , « Ancient and Modern Britons » , 1884
1. Vol I, page 46 :
"Any latin dictionary, any old one at least, will tell you that maurus is a 'moor', a 'blackamoor' or a'tawny moor '. And Shakespeare uses the world 'moor' as a synonym for 'negro'(Merchant of Venice, act III, scene V)''..."At that last world bears nowadays a somewhat restricted meaning , it may be better to take the old fashioned « blackamoor »,as the nearest English rendering of maurus signifying thereby any black, or brown skinned man".
He clarifies 'mauros' means dark or brown skinned, not strictly Negro black. The Melanochroi are swarthy or olive skinned, they are Caucasoid, or ''dark white'' not Negroid - as MacRitchie repeatedly notes, p. 45 -
''The Iberians are styled ''swarthy''... The word swarthy is rather elastic, for although literally schwartz, yet it is taken, I fancy, to mean something not quite so dark as the colour of the Negro''
Nowhere does MacRitchie say the Iberians/Moors are Negroid, he identifies them as the Melanochroi or ''dark whites'' who are Caucasoid.
quote:2. Vol II Page 87
"....One division of the posterity of this powerful black king, of the tenth century, became known to Gaelic-speaking people as MAGA DUBH ( Mc Duff) or "clan of the black ", see also Vol I page 161-162
3. Vol I, page 214 :
"And in the diction of the past, A black man was a moor...."
MacRitchie's ''black race'' is not Negroid, its Australoid who he believed produced the Melanochroi division through admixture with the Xanthochroi (Nordic) and from whom the Moors, Picts, Gypsies, Iberians etc derived.
What does that have to do with the fact that Moors came to mean Negro from Spain to Finland and Albania due to the presence of black African people in Iberia and other countries.
The people that invaded spain included the Tuareg tribes of Lamt and Lamtuna or Aulemmidden a tribe of the Sanhaja, Beni Warith Goddala or Fulani of Takrur, who formed along wih the Haratin and other Africans the Almoravids. Jarawa now called Wangara or Soninke "a huge" portion of the Zanata according to Taha. Muslim Conquest and Settlement of North Africa and Spain. p. 24
What has that got to do with the fact that these Africans were the majority of the Moors in Spain, and the main reason they are depicted throughout Europe as black.
Spanish rendition of the Lamtuna Almoravid leader Abu Bakr brother of Yusuf Tachfin.
Abu Bakr al Lamtuni the lamtuna stock of Sanhaja still called by their name Aulemmiden founded the Almoravid Dynasty.
The Berbers were only groups Masmuda, Kitama, Sanhaja, Hawara, Goddala and Zanata. The Berbers were the majority of the Muslims groups in Spain regardless of how many slaves and freedman they brought in from the Central Asians, Turks and Syrians. In the time of the Ummayads to the Nasrids , the predominant proportion of the Moors were the Berbers the predominant proportion of the Berbers in Spain and North Africa were the Kitama/Sanhaja, Masmuda "the blacks" of Abu Shama, Nasir Khusrau and Ibn Butlan, and Zanata all of whom are mostly still dark in color considering the "endless" number of slaves brought into the Riff and other regions of Morocco from Europe up until the 20th century (if not still), and considering the Vandal and Roman settlement of Kabylia.
These people settled in and named dozens of places in Andalusia AFTER THEMSELVES.
According to Pierre Guichard’s, “Social History of Muslim Spain”
"… names of present day towns and large villages, such as Mequinenza in Aragon, Adzaneta in the Valencia region and Azuagha in the south of the present province of Badajoz, still, for instance, recall the tribal names Miknasa, Zanata and Zuwagha, of Maghribi origin. There were undoubtedly many other such cases in the geography of al-Andalus. In fact the geographer al –Istakhri, from the first half of the 4th/10th century, indicates, along the stages of the road from Cordoba to the Lower Frontier, in regions on the two sides of the Guadiana between the Guadalquivir and Duero valleys, districts or localities bearing the names of the Miknasa, Hawwara and Nafza Berber tribes (1992, p. 685).
Zawagha is the Arabized form of Zaghawa who like the Miknassa and Nafza were all Zanata Berbers and they all look alike. Hawara are the Aurigh Tuareg or Uraghen.
So much for your Euronut theory that Moor meant "swarthy'.
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: Is this the brown guy that lead all those other brown guys into battle against the Visigoths of Spain?
Tariq was said to have belonged to the Nafzawa. Interesting what the Berber of Jebel Nafusa or Nafzawa look like today.
Just like the rest of the Zanata Girl of Jebel Nafusa black and beautiful or brown in beautiful - take your pick.
The so-called non-Negro Mediterranean of Sergi.
Sergi writes of " the oases of Nefzana, the Berbers of Wed-Suef to the west by the Ruegha or inhabitants of Wedh Righ, and the Berbers of Sus in Morocco." in his Te Mediterranean Race, saying "although of very dark complexion these people differ essentially from the Negroes..." They call themselves Khomri..." p 82 I guess similar to the ancient Egyptians.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche:
Black short haired Moors are pictured all over Europe by the hundreds in statues, carvings and in paintings with bands of some sort wrapped around their black and near black heads.
Is there something that you can not put together here in your head - like 2 and 2 and if so, why not?!
German depiction of Moors
Dana this painting shows straight long haired people defending a castle. What is your conclusion about the numbers of blacks who had afro kinky hair compared to whites in medieval Europe not including Spain?
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche:
Black short haired Moors are pictured all over Europe by the hundreds in statues, carvings and in paintings with bands of some sort wrapped around their black and near black heads.
Is there something that you can not put together here in your head - like 2 and 2 and if so, why not?!
German depiction of Moors
Dana this painting shows straight long haired people defending a castle. What is your conclusion about the numbers of blacks who had afro kinky hair compared to whites in medieval Europe not including Spain?
I personally could care less since that's what happens when blacks absorb Nordics. There are very few Moors depicted black with straight hair in Germany or any where else for that matter.
Fact is the faces of these Moors are a lot more Negroid than I would have expected them to be up close given their long hair.
I am sure you would agree. Unless you are going to say they are some kind of Australoid like the Greek.
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
Depictions of the Moors done in real time from some people that were actually there, and not some fantasy dreamed up by modern day wishful thinkers. Images that have been shown to you time and time again, yet you still refuse to see the truth.
Look ma there's one brown guy.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
dana, basic question, let's take an earlier period, 1st century AD Europe. What is the population of Europe at that time, blacks in proportion to whites? What is your guess? Was one of these groups a vast majority at that time?
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: dana, basic question, let's take an earlier period, 1st century AD Europe. What is the population of Europe at that time, blacks in proportion to whites? What is your guess? Was one of these groups a vast majority at that time?
No lets NOT take an earlier period. Have no idea, and don't care.
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
Alright - to troll along with you. How about 8- 15 percent black. I think there could have been black remnant populations among the Danes, Scots or Pictae, Thracians and Britons since Romans mention Blackamoors there. Others mention the Erembi Nigri in Spain near Cadiz. The Sabir Huns or Hunagurs were described as black and short with long hair though. of course 'Ethiopians" still lived on the Rioni in Jerome's time, land of Colchis. Some early scholars believe there were some black kara Vlachs or MoroVlachs and early representatives of gypsies of Xinti that could have been more or less black, judging from their modern appearance ( many are dark brown) in Bulgaria. Southern Italian had some Sicani and other people who were probably related to original neolithic people or the Pelasgians. All minorities but nonetheless there.
Satisfied?!
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: Alright - to troll along with you. How about 8- 15 percent black. I think there could have been black remnant populations among the Danes, Scots or Pictae, Thracians and Britons since Romans mention Blackamoors there. Others mention the Erembi Nigri in Spain near Cadiz. The Sabir Huns or Hunagurs were described as black and short with long hair though. of course 'Ethiopians" still lived on the Rioni in Jerome's time, land of Colchis. Some early scholars believe there were some black kara Vlachs or MoroVlachs and early representatives of gypsies of Xinti that could have been more or less black, judging from their modern appearance ( many are dark brown) in Bulgaria. Southern Italian had some Sicani and other people who were probably related to original neolithic people. All minorities but nonetheless there.
Satisfied?!
those 8-15% figures seem high. Allison Blakeley, a black historian Chair of African American Studies at Boston University wrote in an essay for the American Historical Association:
Africa and Africans have had an influence on European thought and culture far disproportionate to the size of the small black population (which, for example, approached 150,000 in the Iberian peninsula in the 16th century, and by the 18th amounted to just several thousand in France, a few thousand in the Netherlands, and several hundred scattered through Germany, Scandinavia, and Russia; only in the 20th century would the combined numbers reach the hundreds of thousands). The most striking example of that disproportionate influence can be seen in the 20th century, in Soviet Russia, which as part of its messianic role chose Black Africa and blacks in America as symbols for the Communist championing of the downtrodden; elected blacks as honorary members of the Moscow City Council; and named a mountain after Paul Robeson. A strong case can also be made that blacks have had influence in and on Europe primarily as symbols of European achievement, rather than in their own right. A graphic example was the curious widespread use of "Moors' heads" in the coats of arms of hundreds of European towns and families in medieval and early modern Europe. European attitudes about Africa and Africans have played a significant role in helping Europeans to define themselves.
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: Alright - to troll along with you. How about 8- 15 percent black. I think there could have been black remnant populations among the Danes, Scots or Pictae, Thracians and Britons since Romans mention Blackamoors there. Others mention the Erembi Nigri in Spain near Cadiz. The Sabir Huns or Hunagurs were described as black and short with long hair though. of course 'Ethiopians" still lived on the Rioni in Jerome's time, land of Colchis. Some early scholars believe there were some black kara Vlachs or MoroVlachs and early representatives of gypsies of Xinti that could have been more or less black, judging from their modern appearance ( many are dark brown) in Bulgaria. Southern Italian had some Sicani and other people who were probably related to original neolithic people. All minorities but nonetheless there.
Satisfied?!
those figures seem high. Allison Blakeley, a black historian Chair of African American Studies at Boston University wrote in an essay for the American Historical Association:
Africa and Africans have had an influence on European thought and culture far disproportionate to the size of the small black population (which, for example, approached 150,000 in the Iberian peninsula in the 16th century, and by the 18th amounted to just several thousand in France, a few thousand in the Netherlands, and several hundred scattered through Germany, Scandinavia, and Russia; only in the 20th century would the combined numbers reach the hundreds of thousands). The most striking example of that disproportionate influence can be seen in the 20th century, in Soviet Russia, which as part of its messianic role chose Black Africa and blacks in America as symbols for the Communist championing of the downtrodden; elected blacks as honorary members of the Moscow City Council; and named a mountain after Paul Robeson. A strong case can also be made that blacks have had influence in and on Europe primarily as symbols of European achievement, rather than in their own right. A graphic example was the curious widespread use of "Moors' heads" in the coats of arms of hundreds of European towns and families in medieval and early modern Europe. European attitudes about Africa and Africans have played a significant role in helping Europeans to define themselves.
I am very curious as to why you would ask me about the 1st century and then quote somebody talking about the 16th.
I am also certain that when the Professor says "blacks" she is only referring to the non-Berber and non-Arabian African inhabitants of Europe. Like you and others, hse has been told that the early berbers and Arabians were other than the jet black people many of them were but we know differently don't we.
Palermo in Sicily under Islamis control was called the "Gate of the Blacks" Bab es Sudan in the 10th century for a reason. All of the thousands of black Muslims there. There were also at one point 10s of thousands of black Arabs in Eastern European countries.
Of course, this is a long time after the 1st century when there were probably a greater percentage of African and Afro-Asiatic descended people than later.
Funny I would have thought 150,000 was a bit high for the 16th century in Iberia - even if she is only talking of African slaves. Of course Euronuts on this board have been saying there were no blacks aside from slaves too, pointing to "genetic evidence'.
If she has evidence of blacks being a group that high in number in the 16th c. when blacks were pushed into places like Auvergne, France and Holland she sure has a lot more evidence than I've seen.
THANKS FOR INFORMING US HERE AT EGYPTSEARCH! Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: i am curious as to why you would ask me about the 1st century and then quote somebody talking about the 16th. Funny I would have thought 150,000 was a bit high for the 16th century in Iberia.
He mentions the 16th as being the peak of blacks in Europe, Spain specifically. In places like England, France, germany and Scotland the number were much less.
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche:
Of course, this is a long time after the 1st century when there were probably a greater percentage of African and Afro-Asiatic descended people.
Precisely the opposite, as noted the increase of blacks into Europe, mostly in Spain was primarily due to the Islamic conquest beginning in 711 comprised of blacks and non-blacks. Later, slaves were also imported from Ethiopia and other places and dubbed "Moors". Some became freed men and achieved some things. These are used as mascots in the heraldry and are certainly Christianized versions, black heads with European crowns sometimes, usually not turbans which rwould have referred to the Islamic culture, the Isamic component that was tha basis of the conquest, removed. Black heads with European crowns in the heraldry, generic not representing actual black Euroepan kings. Also keeping in mind that the trans Atlantic slave trade begins in about 1411 and was authorized by Holy Roman Emperor Charles V.
I bring this up because Mike, Ironlion, Marc, Egmond, Malibudsul all think 1st century Europe was majority black. Was there a dark skinned person who was a Scottish king AD with straight hair? Possibly. Was there a dark skinned person who was a Scottish king AD with afro type hair? It seems unlikely. I don't see any evidence for it. Some people seem to wish to be a European king.
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: I bring this up because Mike, Ironlion, Marc, Egmond, Malibudsul all think 1st century Europe was majority black.
In all fairness to the one weh name Malibudsul, I think he's just following the others mentioned....
There is a saying: Nuh follow fool tun eediat....lol....
There is no shortage of "yes man" and "yes gyal" in the world btw...
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
quote:Some people seem to wish to be a European king.
No they wish to put blacks wherever there's greatness. It is their basic discontent for themselves, as well as for whites.
I made a thread proving to them that gospel music originated from the Highlands of Scotland, and now it's a must for them to portray the ancient Scots as being black. If nothing great would have came from Scotland, then they would say there you go whitey, you can have it.
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
Watch how desperate they become every time they think one of us has mentioned a possible connection between Egypt and either Europe or the Middle East. Suddenly those places become originally inhabited by a people that were black with negroid features. And yet to each and every one of them, race doesn't exist. It only exists when it suits their own agenda. But when one of us point out possible European features in the Egyptian mummies, the word race becomes a very broad definition or has no meaning at all. These people are funny to watch.
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
Why do these 9,000 year old plastered skulls from the Middle East have basic features common among the average European? If these features were commonplace in the Middle East 9,000 years ago, then what the hell were a bunch of negroes doing running around Europe at the same time and a long time thereafter? I mean, the word for today people is, commonsense.lol
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
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Posted by Fruity Reed (Member # 15917) on :
quote:Originally posted by TruthAndRights: [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness: [qb] There is no shortage of "yes man" and "yes gyal" in the world btw...
To my horror and shocking surprise, you're absolutely right Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Etymology of Moor:
Moor comes from the classical Greek word Mauros. The word for black in classical Greek is Mauros.
Any more questions?
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
^I've posted firsthand accounts of what the Moors looked like in general. Any more questions? Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
We know black Scots looked like this:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: This whole thread is blah...blah..bla...
Aha, a little art is always good for illustration.
I present some Celtic Saints.
Saint Columba - An old Celt:
The Icon is Saint Columcille (Columba) of Iona, by Maria Elchaninova-Struve.
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: Why do these 9,000 year old plastered skulls from the Middle East have basic features common among the average European? If these features were commonplace in the Middle East 9,000 years ago, then what the hell were a bunch of negroes doing running around Europe at the same time and a long time thereafter? I mean, the word for today people is, commonsense.lol
Come-on Simple Girl, you're a degenerate lying Albino, so surely you must know what other degenerate lying Albinos are capable of - you know, fake artifacts - LYING!
Skulls from Jericho PPNB, ca. 7000? , under house floor, human skulls covered with plaster and with cowrie shell inlays
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Iron, great quote:
quote:Godfrey Higgins says in the first Volume of Anacalypsis, “In my Essay on The Celtic Druids, I have shewn, that a great nation called the Celtae, of whom the Druids were the priests, spread themselves almost over the whole earth, and are to be traced in their rude gigantic monuments from India to the extremity of Britain. Who these can have been but the early individuals of the black nation of whom we have been treating I know not, and in this opinion I am not singular.
The learned Maurice says, "Cushites, i.e. Celts, built the great temples in India and Britain, and excavated the caves of the former." And the learned Mathematician, Ruben Burrow, has no hesitation in pronouncing Stonehenge to be a temple of the black, curly-headed Buddha." ...
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Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Lioness
quote:These are used as mascots in the heraldry and are certainly Christianized versions, black heads with European crowns sometimes, usually not turbans which rwould have referred to the Islamic culture, the Isamic component that was tha basis of the conquest, removed. Black heads with European crowns in the heraldry, generic not representing actual black Euroepan kings.
Lioness again I told you and others that you have to look at the individual coat of arms and the purpose they served for arms with the names .Morrison,Moor,Black,Blackman,Dunn, Noir and other derivative there of indicate founders,most likely converts Moors were stationed there in Palermo one of their base of operations was called Bab Es Soudan or gate of the Blacks by Ibn Hawkal 827 ad Fedrick II of the Hohenstaufen dynasty,developed close relationships with these Blacks in Sicily he retained a Moorish Chamberlain who was constantly in his presence,He also solicited the aid of the Moors of Palermo in his intense struggle with the Papacy,he also recruited an Elite guard unit of 16,000 Black troops.
The above King was a German what do you suppose happen to all those high ranking blacks? they became part of the White/Christian nobility for generations to come and yes some of their descendants became Bishops,Cardinals,Mayor and maybe even a King or two,and don't get it twisted Cardinals and Bishops during that era were extremely powerful figures they were used by the Pope to bring down kings,not merely sprinkling water on people.
Icons showing Balthazar,Sir Maurice are in a different category for these types are mythic or legendary..and of course you have the bound Moor,of Moor's head on a pike or the off with your head Moors.
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:DUFF, a surname adopted from the Celtic, in which language the word means BLACK. Sibbald, in his History of Fife, says, " that as NIGER and RUFUS were names of families amongst the Romans, from the COLOUR AND COMPLEXION OF MEN , so it seems Duff was, from the SWARTHY AND BLACK COLOUR OF THOSE OF THE TRIBE," or clan of Macduff.
quote:DUFF, king of Scotland, son of Malcolm the First, succeeded Indulph in 961. The name was Odo, according to Pinkerton. By the Celtic part of his subjects he was surnamed Duff, or THE BLACK.
-The Scottish nation; or, The surnames, families, literature, honours, and biographical history of the people of Scotland (1877) by William Anderson
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:There is another old word used by the Anglo-Saxons to denote black or brown-black the word sweart. The personal names Suart and Sueart may have been derived from this word, and may have originally denoted people of a dark-brown or black complexion. Some names of this kind are mentioned in the Domesday record of Buckinghamshire and Lincolnshire. These may be of Scandinavian origin, for the ekename or nickname Svarti is found in the Northern Sagas. 3 Halfden the Black was the name of a King of Norway who died in 863. The so-called black men of the Anglo-Saxon period probably included some of the darker Wendish people among them, immigrants or descendants of people of the same race as the ancestors of the Sorbs of Lausatia on the borders of Saxony and Prussia at the present day
-Origin of the Anglo-Saxon race : a study of the settlement of England and the tribal origin of the Old English people(1906) by Thomas William Shore
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:There is, in addition, evidence that points to Norwegians of a brunette appearance as another source whence brown-complexioned people may have come into England. On the south-east coast of Norway, and here and there on the coast farther north, a population is met with which differs from the usual Norwegian type, and this has been referred by anthropologists to a very ancient settlement there of the pre-historic brown race that survives in the highlands of Central Europe, and is known as the brown Alpine race. 1 This race is believed to have extended before the dawn of history much further northwards in Germany
-Origin of the Anglo-Saxon race : a study of the settlement of England and the tribal origin of the Old English people by Thomas William Shore(1906)
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Funkycity1000
quote:DUFF, a surname adopted from the Celtic, in which language the word means BLACK. Sibbald, in his History of Fife, says, " that as NIGER and RUFUS were names of families amongst the Romans, from the COLOUR AND COMPLEXION OF MEN , so it seems Duff was, from the SWARTHY AND BLACK COLOUR OF THOSE OF THE TRIBE," or clan of Macduff.
This fits in well with what I said in another thread that Roman era Blacks were the origin of some of these families before the Islamic era, Hardrian and Severus Septimius stationing troops at the Scottish border,that after their tour was up some would settle there most likely marrying local women some from the local Romanized elite who would seek their favor.They would be granted land as part of their severance package along with money they would be in fact land lords and given that they are veterans they would be protectors and men of influence with far ranging contacts through-out the Roman empire for business in fact they would not differ significantly from many ex-military men today who resides in countries they were stationed in.
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Dana, more of that tapestry showing what must be the onslaught of the German Migration Period following the death of Attila and also of Atieus - the great general who was successful at keeping the Germans at bay.
With both of them gone, the flood of whites into Europe began in earnest. I'd guess the Moors were likely San / Khoisan:
Iron, this thread is producing some unique, very interesting information! I particularly like this image posted earlier,
Any more information on the image?
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Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
[QB] Lioness
quote:These are used as mascots in the heraldry and are certainly Christianized versions, black heads with European crowns sometimes, usually not turbans which would have referred to the Islamic culture, the Isamic component that was tha basis of the conquest, removed. Black heads with European crowns in the heraldry, generic not representing actual black European kings.
Lioness again I told you and others that you have to look at the individual coat of arms and the purpose they served for arms with the names .Morrison,Moor,Black,Blackman,Dunn, Noir and other derivative there of indicate founders,most likely converts Moors were stationed there in Palermo one of their base of operations was called Bab Es Soudan or gate of the Blacks by Ibn Hawkal 827 ad Fedrick II of the Hohenstaufen dynasty,developed close relationships with these Blacks in Sicily he retained a Moorish Chamberlain who was constantly in his presence,He also solicited the aid of the Moors of Palermo in his intense struggle with the Papacy,he also recruited an Elite guard unit of 16,000 Black troops.
The above King was a German what do you suppose happen to all those high ranking blacks? they became part of the White/Christian nobility for generations to come and yes some of their descendants became Bishops,Cardinals,Mayor and maybe even a King or two,and don't get it twisted Cardinals and Bishops during that era were extremely powerful figures they were used by the Pope to bring down kings,not merely sprinkling water on people.
name some.
you come into threads made by people who believe medieval Europe was predominantly black.
The german coat of arms you put up is of one of the the Bishops of Freisling, Johann Franz Ecker von Kapfing.
Does this mean he or any of the Bishops of Friesling were black moors and looked like the head in this coat of arms? No more than Benedict of today is his coat of arms
Ernest of Bavaria (1554-1612) Prince-Elector-Archbishop of Cologne Reign: April 1583 – 17 February 1612 German: Ernst von Bayern, Kurerzbischof von Köln Titles of Ernest of Bavaria: Prince-Elector-Archbishop of Cologne Prince-Bishop of Freising Prince-Bishop of Hildesheim Prince-Bishop of Liège Prince-Abbot of Stavelot-Malmedy Prince-Bishop of Münster . Buried: Cologne Cathedral Predecessor: Gebhard Truchsess von Waldburg Successor: Ferdinand of Bavaria Royal House: House of Wittelsbach and House of Habsburg Father: Albert V, Duke of Bavaria Mother: Anna von Habsburg
1528 Portrait of Philipp von der Pfalz, Bishop of Freising
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where are the portraits of all these dark black nobles who look like the emblems on ther heraldry?
you think all of these white people of medieval Europe are suddenly going to let themselves be ruled over by some exotic looking dark black African with an afro? They were already importing our people as slaves, stop the madness. Let's get a little perspective here on the overall complection of medieval Europe. The number of blacks in Germany at this time was under a thousand. Iberia was the only place where they were a significant minority approaching 150,000 out of millions. I'm not saying every black person in Northern Western medieval Europe was a slave. Some were freed men and a few attained a little bit of status (of course the ones who renounced Islam and coverted) Some may have been Africans who traveled on their own accord into Europe. The people on many of these herladry items were generic representations, many of them Ethiopian and not Moors at all. They were certainly not indigenous Europeans.
Well what about all the Grimaldi skeletons found? That's two skeletons, very short people, they found in France 25kys years old, skin and hair type unknown. -certainly not contemporary to AD Europeans
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
This thread is pure comedy. We have the Afronuts quote mining and distorting Godfrey Higgings, David MacRitchie and now Thomas Willis Shore. This is despite the fact none of these authors supported Afrocentrism.
Afronuts dig up 19th century or early 20th century authors and then twist their views. Very odd indeed. Makes you look retarded.
Next time actually buy and read the works you try to distort...
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Johannes Morus viceroy of Sicily. Alessandro De Medici Duke of Florence
Need I go on??..Like I said above some of these that bare the name Moor on their coat Of Arms were founder that does not mean their off-spring should look anything like them, hint Abraham Hannibal whose blood help fuel some of Europe's nobles today..looked nothing like their 4X time granddaddy I gave you the example of ex Black Roman soldiers,if they happen to be non Black ex Roman soldier the same would hold true and you would have noo problem with that, you just have a problem with blackness especially if they turn up in European high circles.
But lets be clear here I am not one for swarming Europe with murderous Black nobles only to be un done by equally murderous White peasants. But that does not mean that Blacks were absent or played only the role of slaves and menial in ancient and medieval Europe. A Christian A Black and a Noble.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^No lion, This is the worst! Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.
SO THIS IS WHAT THE ANCIENT BRITISH LOOKED LIKE!!!!
Cass, give it up, you are tripping over your own tongue.
After I have established that there was a noble and royal elite in Europe who self-identified as Black, coming from Africa, who ruled whites untill 1848, I have wondered what they really might have looked like, based on the personal descriptions and images. I noticed that black and brown skins went together with brown or blond hair. I have seen middle age images which show brownskinned blonds. Recently I read that king William II of Orange Nassau was deeply brown tanned with blond hair. I do not think his browness comes from tanning, as the family was brown and black of skin, and his great-great grandfather stadhouder William IV was very, very prognastic, with black skin. So when I read that European Blacks were Australoid looking, well there is my answer. The European Blacks were all types of Black and coloured people who freely married among themselves. They did not marry the whites, who were the outcasts, and were used as shoe leather. This explains the hatred of Blacks by whites today, because they were despotically oppressed by a Black identified elite.
[Princess Marianne of Orange-Nassau (1810-1883), the sister of King William II of Orange Nassau: the darkest image yet, there are even photographs that show her as white, yet she must have been very brown of complexion, with dark hair.]
[Pricess Alexandrine of Prussia, Marianne's daughter]
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
Brada caption:
"A Christian A Black and a Noble."
I don't know wher you got the title or the source of this picture. What we see is a white woman a black knight and two crests below. Who is the Christian, the woman? Is the knight not also a Christian? No he's a "Moor" as we will see below. Who's the "noble"? I just see two coats of arms below. One of the "Moors" is blindfolded, that means there person is a captive. The illustration comes form medieval artists who were both uniformed and were also making up semi mythological stories.
The Palazzo Zaguri a palace was built between the fourteenth and fifteenth century by the house of Messer Antonio Pasqualino , originally from Milan, who amassed great wealth with the silk trade. You can see the Zaguri name in the right crest above. Norman knight puppet
Saracen Puppet
The Puppet Theatre (OPRA by Pupi in Sicilian) is a type of puppet theater , whose main characters are Charlemagne and his paladins. The exploits of these characters are handled through the reworking of the material contained in novels and poems of the Carlovingian cycle. The puppets are precisely those puppets (from the Latin "Pupus" meaning child). The work is typical of the Sicilian tradition of cuntastorie ("storyteller" in Italian). The Puppet Theatre established itself in southern Italy and Sicily in particular between the second half of the nineteenth century and the first half of the twentieth. Today, the richest collection of puppets can be seen at the International Puppet Museum Antonio Pasqualino and to the Ethnographic Museum in Palermo Sicilian Giuseppe Pitre.
The performances of the Opera dei Pupi are inspired by Sicily’s turbulent history, works of literature, folklore and comedy. The characters in the Opera dei Pupi impersonate heroes of southern Italy’s history as Norman knights against the Saracens.
Saracen was a term used by the ancient Romans to refer to a people who lived in desert areas in and around the Roman province of Arabia, and who were distinguished from Arabs. In Europe during the Middle Ages the term was expanded to include Arabs, and then all who professed the religion of Islam.The expansion of the meaning occurred first among the Byzantine Greeks and then among the Latins. By the time of the Crusades, beginning in 1095, a "Saracen" had become synonymous with a "Muslim" in European chronicles
The municipal coat of arms reflects the crest of the Paganis, a family of Milanese patricians which owned several estates in Rovello as well as a villa that has been renovated over the centuries; its current residents are members of the Porro family. The coat of arms depicts a blindfolded Moor imprisoned during the Crusades within a fortress. The laurel branches extol the city while serving as a reminder of vast oak forests which surrounded the village until the mid-19th century. Note the blindfolded Moor in the Zaguri coat of arms in the illustration at top. lower right. Nobles aren't blindfolded, prisoners are. ______________________________________________
Muslim Period in Sicily
In 826, Euphemius the commander of the Byzantine fleet of Sicily forced a nun to marry him. Emperor Michael II caught wind of the matter and ordered that general Constantine end the marriage and cut off Euphemius' nose. Euphemius rose up, killed Constantine and then occupied Syracuse; he in turn was defeated and driven out to North Africa. He offered rule of Sicily over to Ziyadat Allah the Aghlabid Emir of Tunisia in return for a place as a general and safety; an Islamic army of Arabs, Berbers, Moors, Cretans and Persians was sent.The conquest was a see-saw affair; the local population resisted fiercely and the Arabs suffered considerable dissension and infighting among themselves. It took over a century to complete the conquest (until 965), Syracuse in particular resisting almost to the end. Throughout this reign, continued revolts by Byzantine Sicilians happened especially in the east and part of the lands were even re-occupied before being quashed. Agricultural items such as oranges, lemons, pistachio and sugar cane were brought to Sicily, the native Christians were allowed nominal freedom of religion with jaziya (tax on non-Muslims, imposed by Muslim rulers) to their rulers for the right to practise their own religion. However, the Emirate of Sicily began to fragment as inner-dynasty related quarrels took place between the Muslim regime. By the 11th century mainland southern Italian powers were hiring ferocious Norman mercenaries, who were Christian descendants of the Vikings; it was the Normans under Roger I who conquered Sicily from the Muslims.After taking Apulia and Calabria, he occupied Messina with an army of 700 knights. In 1068, Roger Guiscard and his men defeated the Muslims at Misilmeri but the most crucial battle was the siege of Palermo, which led to Sicily being completely in Norman control by 1091. Many historians have recently argued that the Norman conquest of Islamic Sicily (1060–91) was the start of the Crusades.Palermo continued on as the capital under the Normans. Roger's son, Roger II of Sicily, was ultimately able to raise the status of the island, along with his holds of Malta and Southern Italy to a kingdom in 1130.During this period the Kingdom of Sicily was prosperous and politically powerful, becoming one of the wealthiest states in all of Europe; even wealthier than England.
By the time the The Palazzo Zaguri palace was built between the fourteenth and fifteenth century, the time of the coat of arms we see at the top of the post, the Muslim period was long gone about 300 years. At this point, when the Islam in Sicily had long since been a threat, Moors in the art take on a quaint nostalgic quality, safely coverted to Christianity, defeated in the crusades, combined into a generic for any African and then placed like mascots, anonmously, into the heraldry. And obviously actual Moors would not have had European crowns on their heads. Likewise Moors would not have European style metal armour yet they sometimes get depicted this way. Were there some black Africans around who were not slaves who assimilated and accomplised a few things? Yes. Europe A.D. predominantly black? That's a ridiculous fantasy.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: . .
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I have printed these texts. It seems that the Black people on this forum are afraid of their own findings and cannot free their minds from mental slavery. The whites are horrified by the idea that Europe was a Black civilisation where Blacks called the shots and ruled and oppressed white people. So we get all this hairsplitting definition of who or what was Black. Strange, as Blacks you have to look at your own family to find a variety of Black types. It's not like one blacker sister will have to move out of the house, and live with the jet black people, so her 'fair' siblings can remains fair and less offensive to whites. Then none of you responded to my Jane austen and Charlotte bronte threads, following your white masters voice, that Blacks should not reserach whites. White boys and girls can research anything, but Blacks should limit themselves to slaves, that is black carribean slaves: their ancestors, or Spanish Muslim Blacks. I have been printing this over and over again, but yall seem to be some kind of American Black donkeys.
The European elite was Black, not because they come out Black after craniometry: their identity was Black and superior over any white trash they considered shoe leather material.
Yall is stupid Black trash.
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: . I have printed these texts. It seems that the Black people on this forum are afraid of their own findings and cannot free their minds from mental slavery. The whites are horrified by the idea that Europe was a Black civilisation where Blacks called the shots and ruled and oppressed white people. So we get all this hairsplitting definition of who or what was Black. Strange, as Blacks you have to look at your own family to find a variety of Black types. It's not like one blacker sister will have to move out of the house, and live with the jet black people, so her 'fair' siblings can remains fair and less offensive to whites. Then none of you responded to my Jane austen and Charlotte bronte threads, following your white masters voice, that Blacks should not reserach whites. White boys and girls can research anything, but Blacks should limit themselves to slaves, that is black carribean slaves: their ancestors, or Spanish Muslim Blacks. I have been printing this over and over again, but yall seem to be some kind of American Black donkeys.
The European elite was Black, not because they come out Black after craniometry: their identity was Black and superior over any white trash they considered shoe leather material.
Yall is stupid Black trash.
And YOU are a deluded mentally-ill renk disgusting c*ck-tekkin f*ggot....who, like most battyman, feel that while everyone else should respect your asspinion, you have no respect for the opinions of others (i.e, who don't agree with you)...No one responded to that Jane Austen sh*t because no one here but you really too much cares about it and/or what you may or may not have 'discovered' about it....YOU ARE NOT THE AMBASSADOR OF BLACKNESS to decide who is a houseni*ga and who isn't all because Black Folks don't agree with your asspinions, you deh pon some real scunt....so stop friggin bawling bout who and who not reading what like some lil gyal....either go bout your bizniz and STFU and continue to do your thing and let those who ignore you ignore you or go bout your bizniz and STFU and don't continue to do your thing...either way, no one here really gives too much of a f*ck....yuh gwan like ah big p*ssy gyal scorned more time...guh drown ina yuh man's bathwater you pink massengil duppy.... Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
[I always have this idea that if you fight aganinst discrimination and oppression, you include all minorities in your struggle. How can a Black who studied racism, be homophobic? Or does not speak out against the trade in women.]
To ignore has gotten a new meaning. These days you give off a tirade to show how much you ignore a person. Well, its clear I have tweaked a weak spot with you dear, by cursing out THE HOUSE NIGGER crowd on this forum. I did not call no names, yet the house nigra outed herself. I have already laied out my ideas why a stupid, middle aged black bitch, with bad teeth, and overweight should be so jealous about men who manage to get the big dicks she so terribly craves. It's the way of the world, gays have been here forever, even Leviticus alerts us to this fact. Apparently to be a good housenigger a nigra also has to be against gays too. God knows the most clever people in this world are gay or bi-sexual. And they, the white arch-enemy always deal with Black opponents by digging into their private lives, to attack them. Quite interesting.
D'Alencon was swarthy and gay as a goose. Loved the cross dressing too.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by TruthAndRights: And YOU are a deluded mentally-ill renk disgusting c*ck-tekkin f*ggot....who, like most battyman, feel that while everyone else should respect your asspinion, you have no respect for the opinions of others (i.e, who don't agree with you)...No one responded to that Jane Austen sh*t because no one here but you really too much cares about it and/or what you may or may not have 'discovered' about it....YOU ARE NOT THE AMBASSADOR OF BLACKNESS to decide who is a houseni*ga and who isn't all because Black Folks don't agree with your asspinions, you deh pon some real scunt....so stop friggin bawling bout who and who not reading what like some lil gyal....either go bout your bizniz and STFU and continue to do your thing and let those who ignore you ignore you or go bout your bizniz and STFU and don't continue to do your thing...either way, no one here really gives too much of a f*ck....yuh gwan like ah big p*ssy gyal scorned more time...guh drown ina yuh man's bathwater you pink massengil duppy....
This is what you are not getting....
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
When is a tranny not a tranny...?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Black Douglas clan of Scotland:
Doug las means black man in Gaelic. Some will claim it means black river but river is glais, not glas in Gaelic. Dubh or Doug means black. And "glas" means man or person, in Gaelic. Check it up yourself.
Now read the following story about one of the Douglases of Scotland:
"Barbour, the poet, dwells fondly upon this period in the life of Douglas, whom he describes as cheerful, courteous, dutiful, and of a generous disposition, insomuch, that he was esteemed and beloved by all; yet was he not so fair, adds the same discreet writer, that we should much admire his beauty. He was of a somewhat grey or swarthy complexion, and had black hair, circumstances from which, especially among the English, he came to be known by the name of the Black Douglas..."
Muurs coming...
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: . .
Dana, more of that tapestry showing what must be the onslaught of the German Migration Period following the death of Attila and also of Atieus - the great general who was successful at keeping the Germans at bay.
With both of them gone, the flood of whites into Europe began in earnest. I'd guess the Moors were likely San / Khoisan:
Iron, this thread is producing some unique, very interesting information! I particularly like this image posted earlier,
Any more information on the image?
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Marc
That picture is one of the images used to represent Crennuns, the horned god of the Celts, the owner of the forests. I prolly have to go digging into my archives to see what more interesting information to pull up for you. I will get back shortly.
Much respect
Lion!
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
Posted by element (Member # 19569) on :
A caribbean perspective.
Douglas is a very very common surname for many caribbeans. Many of them have jokingly claimed to have royal scottish lineage..........Now I thought 11th or 12th century medieval families took the name from the douglas river in south lanarkshire.scotland...... . . Does anyone have additional supporting information on the Douglas of the 8th century quote ? I would like to know exactly what large possessions. Mr douglas was granted in the 8th century.
Source...
Ringrose's Heraldry: The Relation of the Science with History, Poetry and the Arts..Jerome Arthur Ringrose. . .
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: . Highlighted .
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Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:There were three hundred Cushite settlements along the west coast of Africa, and extending as far north as Norway, Ireland, and Scotland.
quote:It is said that the first people in Ireland were the Formatians. They were a dark, stunted race, utterly savage, using rough, unwrought stone implements. So far as can be learned, they did not know the use of fire. It is said they came from Africa on ships.
quote:They first buried their dead in caves, and when the caves were not available they placed their dead in long barrows or graves in a row. Some such barrows were 400 feet long and 50 feet wide. They were an African people, and there appears evidence that they sometimes practiced cannibalism.
-Riddles of prehistoric times (1911) by James H. Anderson
quote:The primitive race of Scotland was long-skulled, short in stature, and probably very dark in complexion
- RENFREWSHIRE (1912) by FREDERICK MORT, M.A., B.Sc., F.G.S. Fellow of the Royal Scottish Geographical Society Late Lecturer in Geology, Glasgow University
quote:The earliest inhabitants of Britain probably crossedfrom the continent of Europe when it was connected to these islands by a land-bridge.
quote:From their stone weapons they are called palaeolithic (ancient stone), and their nearest representatives in modern times are believed to be the Bushmen of Africa.
-LANARKSHIRE (1910) by FREDERICK MORT, M.A., B.Sc., F.G.S. Fellow of the Royal Scottish Geographical Society Late Lecturer in Geology, Glasgow University
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000:
Now where is Cashitty and his looney tunes? Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:THE Inhabitants of this Ifle are well pro- portioned, generally brown, and fome of black Complexion;
-A description of the Western Islands of Scotland (1703) by Martin Martin
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:From the moment the Aryans set foot in India they were strenuously opposed by the aborigines of the country, who were then a powerful well-organised race, living under a social system of great antiquity; they were governed by recognised rulers, some of whom possessed strong forts and had amassed considerable wealth. These aborigines are frequently referred to in Vedic writings as the black-skinned, vile, noseless, sullen, and despised people, who nevertheless fought with great courage for their lands and homes
quote:He adds this was the race who, in the early neolithic period, ' occupied the British Isles, and the area west of the Rhine, and north of the Alps. A short dark-complexioned people, with black hair and eyes, and long skulls.' These people also inhabited the Spanish Peninsula, and are best known as the Iberian or Mediterranean race. Professor de Mortillet calls them the Laugerians, other authorities Afro-Europeans
-Origin and Character of the British People (1900) by Nottidge Charles MacNamara
NOTE:This explains the various examples of Crowned Moors in European heraldry and is represented and recorded in the German "Wild Men & Moors" tapestry
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
Idiot above, do you bother to read the quotes you post here? Your quote above concerns the Iberians or Mediterranean race.
The Mediterranean is a subdivision of the Caucasoid race, not Negroid.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: These people are funny to watch.
Yep. Especially how these Afronut idiots scan for 19th century works to get one quote out of them which they then distort.
No quotes so far posted in this thread support a Negroid/Black presence in Scotland, yet the Afronuts quote them to twist their lies.
MacRitchie's ''black race'' was Australoid not Negroid, and above we have some moron claiming the Mediterrenean race is also Negroid...
As i have always said - black people have an identity crisis. None of them want to be Negroes, and instead they extend their race to include Australoids, Capoids, Indians and Mediterraneans, despite the fact all these races are non-Negroid.
It all comes down to one thing - self-hate.
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Idiot above, do you bother to read the quotes you post here? Your quote above concerns the Iberians or Mediterranean race.
The Mediterranean is a subdivision of the Caucasoid race, not Negroid.
Can you explain to us what exactly is a "Caucasoid"??? What makes these people specifically "caucasoid"???
Are you attempting to make the empty and false statement that "caucasoid" equates to "white skin"???
quote:The first inhabitants in Italy were of the race which has been called Iapygian, a small, dark people like the Bushmen. They were gradually driven before the people who invaded the land from the north until they were concentrated in the southeastern part of the country in what is known as the heel of Italy.
quote: The first inhabitants of southern Europe, northern Africa, Arabia, France and the British Islands were a race of small men, who did not average in height more than about 4 feet 5 inches. They were of slight build, with dark complexion. They were cave dwellers eminations from Lemuria.
-Riddles of prehistoric times (1911)by James H. Anderson
quote:Then began the discoveries of abundant prehistoric remains all over Europe, particularly in France. These with one accord tended to show that the European aborigines of the stone age were not Mongoloid like the Lapps after all, but the exact opposite. In every detail they resembled rather the dolichocephalic negroes of Africa
quote:Brinton is inclined to derive the Aryan from this third source; the languages of the Hamitic peoples of northern Africa. Keane,* following out this thought, is inclined to regard the Basque as another European relic of the same primitive stock. This theory of an Afro-European origin of the Aryan speech has much to recommend it, especially in view of the undoubtedly negroid physical affinities of the most primitive substratum of European population.
-The Races of Europe by William Zebina Ripley(1899)
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
All the above didn't change squat I know he was a Norman Knight, and the dates given gells with the conquest of Sicily but he represents a converted Moor, Johannes Maurus is a prime example of a former enemy who became a high ranking official and may have set the persona for Othello centuries later, that however did not change the fact of him being any less real than Anthony and Cleopatra.. again Blacks as all kings and Nobles of Europe is not my position.. but you have to deal with the name Moor on family crest along with images the same way you would deal with images of non Blacks non Moor or derivatives as a Sir Name. Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: These people are funny to watch.
Yep. Especially how these Afronut idiots scan for 19th century works to get one quote out of them which they then distort.
No quotes so far posted in this thread support a Negroid/Black presence in Scotland, yet the Afronuts quote them to twist their lies.
MacRitchie's ''black race'' was Australoid not Negroid, and above we have some moron claiming the Mediterrenean race is also Negroid...
As i have always said - black people have an identity crisis. None of them want to be Negroes, and instead they extend their race to include Australoids, Capoids, Indians and Mediterraneans, despite the fact all these races are non-Negroid.
It all comes down to one thing - self-hate.
Yet white people want to claim a "Aryan" background when the original inhabitants of the Aryan homeland(India) look like this...
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: All the above didn't change squat I know he was a Norman Knight, and the dates given gells with the conquest of Sicily but he represents a converted Moor, Johannes Maurus is a prime example of a former enemy who became a high ranking official and may have set the persona for Othello centuries later, that however did not change the fact of him being any less real than Anthony and Cleopatra.. again Blacks as all kings and Nobles of Europe is not my position.. but you have to deal with the name Moor on family crest along with images the same way you would deal with images of non Blacks non Moor or derivatives as a Sir Name.
Through art, paintings, and early literature, one can conclude that the treatment of Africans in Early modern Europe varied depending on the region and the time period. Johannes Maurus, the son of a slave woman, [who] held the position of Chamberlain until Frederick's death in 1250" (Kaplan, 1987, p. 32). Kaplan explains that Maurus "had attained a position of considerable responsibility at the imperial court...[and] served briefly as Lord Chamberlain and Governor of Lucera under Frederick's son Conrad IV" (Kaplan, 1987, p. 32). Clearly, this type of historical evidence lends to the argument that Africans in some parts of early modern Europe were capable of attaining high political positions. Conrad IV, son of Frederick
Frederick II
Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor and head of the House of Hohenstaufen. He adopted his father's policy of making Italy the centre of his power, and was interested in Germany only because it guaranteed to him his title to Upper and Central Italy. His son, Conrad IV
Johannes Maurus with Frederick II and Conrad IV
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000: Can you explain to us what exactly is a "Caucasoid"???
Unlike the resident Afronut 'internet' scientists on this forum, i actually have worked in forensic science labs in real life. I can look at a skull and determine its race, with 95% accuracy as can all forensic anthropologists.
The main Caucasoid morphological traits are listed in my above thread, but to summarise the most obvious Caucasoid cranialfacial features & phenotype: - orthognathism, leptorrhine (thin) nose, retreating zygomatic arch, cymotrichous (wavy) hair, heavy growth of facial and body hair and pigmentation ranging from pale white to olive (brunette-white or brown).
quote:What makes these people specifically "caucasoid"???
Iberians are Caucasoid because they are orthognathic, leptorrhine, wavy haired and have an olive skin pigment. They have the gracile mediterrenean phenotype in particular: leptomorphic, dolichocephalic, narrow-faced with as i said the olive pigmentation.
The Iberian or Old Mediterreneasn phenotype today is still found among the Basques - who are clearly Caucasoid/White. If you ever travel to the Basque peninsula you can find them, they don't look anything like Negroids. You can also find the old Iberian strain among many Welsh and in other parts of Britain.
quote:Are you attempting to make the empty and false statement that "caucasoid" equates to "white skin"???
Caucasoid pigmentation ranges from pale white to olive (brown).
quote:
Ancient hunters and their modern representatives by William Johnson Sollas (1915)
quote:Brinton is inclined to derive the Aryan from this third source; the languages of the Hamitic peoples of northern Africa. Keane,* following out this thought, is inclined to regard the Basque as another European relic of the same primitive stock. This theory of an Afro-European origin of the Aryan speech has much to recommend it, especially in view of the undoubtedly negroid physical affinities of the most primitive substratum of European population.-The Races of Europe by William Zebina Ripley(1899)
The Hamites are Mediterranid Caucasoid.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000: Yet white people want to claim a "Aryan" background when the original inhabitants of the Aryan homeland(India) look like this...
The Aryan (Indo-European) homeland was near the Black Sea, not India. The Aryans migrated to mainland India during the late Bronze or early Iron Age.
No one claims the indigenous Indians were Aryan/Caucasoid/White, instead they were Veddoids and you can still find the native Veddoids in isolated pockets of India.
Veddoids are not Negroids.
Face it - as a Negro, your only heritage is sub-sahara africa but out of self-hate you try to cluster yourself with australian aborigines, indians, mediterrenean peoples and so forth...anyone but your own heritage. Seen it before so many times. Its because you acknowldge the negro has no history (mud huts? ) so you try to steal other races...
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
The Nordic is the true Caucasoid race, the Aryan stock
Similar to mongrels and gypsies, Mediterraneans are phenotypically and genetically of the Mediterranean race.
The Races of Europe by William Zebina Ripley(1899)
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
as for this quote -
quote:Then began the discoveries of abundant prehistoric remains all over Europe, particularly in France. These with one accord tended to show that the European aborigines of the stone age were not Mongoloid like the Lapps after all, but the exact opposite. In every detail they resembled rather the dolichocephalic negroes of Africa
He's referring to the Grimaldi remains. Some scholars made the mistake of a Negroid identification, when the remains are in fact non-Negroid as Keith discovered with the nose bridge.
If you want an essay with sources i can show you. The Grimaldi were not Negroid, its only a few internet afronuts who cling to this 100 year old mistaken identification...
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
funkcity1000 I know you are new around here but please do not get into the oid games it's a major time waster that trolls like Cassis likes to employ..if we recognize that there are black folks all over the globe some broad featured some narrow featured some lank hair some woolly haired or any combination there of with or without them being connected recently with other blacks in other parts of the globe.then you are down for the win!!..culture hit them with culture and watch them scurry from a thread like rats or roaches when you hit the light switch.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: The Nordic is the true Caucasoid race, the Aryan stock
Similar to mongrels and gypsies, Mediterraneans are phenotypically and genetically of the Mediterranean race.
The Races of Europe by William Zebina Ripley(1899)
Meds are Caucasoid. This seems to upset you because you (from what i can tell) find Mediterrenean men attractive, based on some picture spams i have seen, and so you cling to this very bizarre view that instead Mediterrenean people are mulatto or mixed race.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: [qb] The Nordic is the true Caucasoid race, the Aryan stock
Similar to mongrels and gypsies, Mediterraneans are phenotypically and genetically of the Mediterranean race.
The Races of Europe by William Zebina Ripley(1899)
Meds are Caucasoid. This seems to upset you because you (from what i can tell) find Mediterrenean men attractive, based on some picture spams i have seen,
poppycock
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: and so you cling to this very bizarre view that instead Mediterrenean people are mulatto or mixed race.
we had already established that the difference between Caucasoid and Negroid is skin pigmentation. Some Mediterreneans are no lighter than some Negroid Igbos of Nigeria. Not to say that they are Negroid or mulatto. The Mediterrenean is a different race altogether.
"Races or Europe"
^^^ notice the plural of race.
The application of "Caucasoid" to brown skinned persons is a misnomer. The only true Caucasoid is the Nordic
The term "olive skin" was developed to conceal the fact that the people are brown skinned. Some olives are brown but the thing that distinguishes olives from any other brown object is that one of the most common olives is the green olive. This is the same olive at a pre-ripened state which is one type desirable for curing in that state. It is this greenish association which is an attempt to separate Mediterreneans from other brown skinned races. The problem is Mediterreneans are not greenish and they are no more similar to olives than any other brown skinned person of the world. "olive skin" is an age old racial trick term. Besides it's the darkness level of the skin that separates the races not whether that particular brown has a reddish or yellowish tint as well, let alone greenish. "Olive skinned" is an antiquated classical BS term. The two class of people are brown skinned and white. Tints are nonsense. When you read the ancient writers they seldom use the term "brown skinned". This shows the imprecision of these writers. Most of the world including Africa has brown skin. Include Mediterreneans, and South Asians etc, etc. Only a portion of Africans are of a very dark brown which approaches actual black color. Most of which you would say are clearly Negroid are accurately described as brown skinned. The true Caucasoid is not brown (or olive)
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ......
The Races of Europe by William Zebina Ripley(1899)
Meds are Caucasoid. blah..blah..blah...
Says Junior, the Retard Clown.
The ancient Mediterraneans are same as your so-called Negros! Say the authorities on the field.
Learn to read. I gonna help you, here:
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
Retard above, learn the difference -
Mediterrenean (Caucasoid) -
Negroid -
You look like the latter, not the former.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: blah..blah..blah...-
Mediterrenean woof..woof...
No Cashitty, you are wrong again. The spelling is M.e.d.i.t.e.r.r.a.n.e.a.n., ok Retard? Gosh!
Second, your so-called mediterranean model is not mediterranean. He is a modern descendant of the Visigoths who came from Central Asia in 4 A.D. A mulato albino like you.
The Mediterraneans according to all self respecting scientists came from Africa. They are Black people, black like a ripe olive (olive complexion). Meanwhile, you are pink-red like malaguta pepper. Different roots, nah?
Any how, this thread is about the Black Scots. What do you have to say about the sons of the black king of Scotland, the Macduffs?
Son of Dubh
Cináed mac Duib (Modern Gaelic: Coinneach mac Dhuibh) anglicised as Kenneth III, and nicknamed An Donn, “the Chief” or “the Brown”, (before 967–25 March 1005) was King of Scots from 997 to 1005. He was the son of Dub (Dub mac Maíl Coluim) otherwise known as Kenneth Niger or the black. His image depicts him as a black Scotsman. His line of Kings descending from King Kenneth Dubh was known as the “sons of the black.” See J.A. Rogers. Dub is a Gaelic word meaning black.
He succeeded to the throne perhaps after killing his cousin Constantine III (reigned 995–997); he was himself killed at Monzievaird by Malcolm (son of Kenneth II), who became Malcolm II. Gruoch, wife of the future King Macbeth, was apparently a granddaughter of Kenneth III.
The father of Kenneth III was known as “the black”. Kenneth himself was known as “the brown”. Probably because he was mixed blood or probably because he was lighter in complexion than his father. Whatever may be that answer, it is clear that Kenneth Dub and Kenneth III were darker in complexion than what represents itself as the Scots of today.
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: These people are funny to watch.
Yep. Especially how these Afronut idiots scan for 19th century works to get one quote out of them which they then distort.
No quotes so far posted in this thread support a Negroid/Black presence in Scotland, yet the Afronuts quote them to twist their lies.
MacRitchie's ''black race'' was Australoid not Negroid, and above we have some moron claiming the Mediterrenean race is also Negroid...
As i have always said - black people have an identity crisis. None of them want to be Negroes, and instead they extend their race to include Australoids, Capoids, Indians and Mediterraneans, despite the fact all these races are non-Negroid.
It all comes down to one thing - self-hate.
It's just like when I showed them these plastered over skulls from Jericho that are around 9,000 years old. These people obviously had features that are common to the modern European. If they looked like modern Europeans, then what the heck were negroes doing frolicking around in northern Europe about the same time as well as along time after as these nitwits claim? Goofy logic has taken over.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Who is the they Simple??
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
Hamites are Mediterroid Caucasoid? WTF!??!
The so called "white" Mediterranean race originally was black skinned...
quote:The geographical evidence that here in Dordogne we have to do with the real Cro-Magnon race, is fully sustained by a comparison of the physical characteristics of the crania here discovered in these caves in the valley of the Vezere, with the peculiar living type we have above described. The original Cro-Magnon race was extremely dolichocephalic ; as longheaded, in fact, as the modern African negroes or the Australians. The cranial indices varied from 70 to 73, corresponding to a cephalic index on the living head between 72 and 75. This was and is the starting point for the theory that the Mediterranean populations are an offshoot and development from the African negro.
-The Races of Europe by William Zebina Ripley(1899)
Also remember that the "Moor" and the "Hamite" was counted amongst the "white" races...he was considered a "Caucasoid"...because his facial features weren't allegedly "negro"... racist thinkers of the day admitted that the "negro" presence in Europe was present...they just hid behind "code-words"...the same code-words that you hide behind because you can't face the truth.
quote:Aranzadi believes the very prevalent " honeybrown " eyes of the southwest quarter of Spain, near Granada,to be clue perhaps to strong Moorish influence.* And the effect of a Moorish cross is also apparent in producing a broader and more African nose, according to the same authority.
quote:The physical traits of these Berbers are at once apparent byreason of their isolation from all admixture with the other ethnic types of Europe. The distinctively long, narrow face appears in most of our subjects, although the broad-faced, disharmonic Cro-Magnon type is quite generally represented (pages 45 and 173). In many cases the slightly concave nose in profile is characteristic, suggesting the negro. This frequently occurs among the Sardinians also. The hair of these people is the most African trait about them. Among all the Hamites from Abyssinia to Morocco it varies from the European wavy form to a crispy or curly variety. This may with certainty be ascribed to intermixture wath the negro tribes south of the Sahara. Our Moor from Senegal, on the opposite portrait page, offers an illustration of this variety of hair. Upon the soft and wavy-haired European stock has surely been ingrafted a negro cross.
-The Races of Europe by William Zebina Ripley(1899)
Posted by wooja (Member # 19212) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by Nehesy: [QB] David MacRitchie , « Ancient and Modern Britons » , 1884
1. Vol I, page 46 :
"Any latin dictionary, any old one at least, will tell you that maurus is a 'moor', a 'blackamoor' or a'tawny moor '. And Shakespeare uses the world 'moor' as a synonym for 'negro'(Merchant of Venice, act III, scene V)''..."At that last world bears nowadays a somewhat restricted meaning , it may be better to take the old fashioned « blackamoor »,as the nearest English rendering of maurus signifying thereby any black, or brown skinned man".
He clarifies 'mauros' means dark or brown skinned, not strictly Negro black. The Melanochroi are swarthy or olive skinned, they are Caucasoid, or ''dark white'' not Negroid - as MacRitchie repeatedly notes, p. 45 -
''The Iberians are styled ''swarthy''... The word swarthy is rather elastic, for although literally schwartz, yet it is taken, I fancy, to mean something not quite so dark as the colour of the Negro''*(lie)
Nowhere does MacRitchie say the Iberians/Moors are Negroid, he identifies them as the Melanochroi or ''dark whites'' who are Caucasoid.
Only a clown like assrides would like like that. Then again, I would lie if this was my life.40yr old homo-pedophile
Ass-rides from the front, why are u so ugly? Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: as for this quote -
quote:Then began the discoveries of abundant prehistoric remains all over Europe, particularly in France. These with one accord tended to show that the European aborigines of the stone age were not Mongoloid like the Lapps after all, but the exact opposite. In every detail they resembled rather the dolichocephalic negroes of Africa
He's referring to the Grimaldi remains. Some scholars made the mistake of a Negroid identification, when the remains are in fact non-Negroid as Keith discovered with the nose bridge.
If you want an essay with sources i can show you. The Grimaldi were not Negroid, its only a few internet afronuts who cling to this 100 year old mistaken identification...
Actually, Keith, Coon, etc. had to attempt to "back-track" and cover-up what they originally said...
Carleton Coon acknowledges Ripley's work in his book but somehow the "Negroids" in Ripleys earlier book became "white" in Coon's version...
Out of Africa: modern human origins special feature: additional evidence on the use of personal ornaments in the Middle Paleolithic of North Africa. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19717433 Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
The links between Africa and Europe have been well documented...
quote:Radiocarbon and optically stimulated luminescence dating and magnetic stratigraphy indicate Upper Paleolithic occupation-probably representing modern humans-at archaeological sites on the Don River in Russia 45,000 to 42,000 years ago. The oldest levels at Kostenki underlie a volcanic ash horizon identified as the Campanian Ignimbrite Y5 tephra that is dated elsewhere to about 40,000 years ago. The occupation layers contain bone and ivory artifacts, including possible figurative art, and fossil shells imported more than 500 kilometers. Thus, modern humans appeared on the central plain of Eastern Europe as early as anywhere else in northern Eurasia.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
King William of the House of Orange, King of Scotland, England and Wales 1650 - 1702, painted in 1692
Below you can see a fake whitened King Williams of Orange woodcarving from 1850
Whether the first Europeans were black or not, it appears that the dawning of civilization is a definite result of the black man morphing into the white man. I mean, isn't that what you all are getting at? If the white people were originally black, then perhaps they are the oldest people on earth and the rest of you can just take a seat at the back of the bus.lol
Take a look at what is involved here. In fact it kinda reminds me of someone that thinks backwards with a whole lot of contradictions in between. The typical liberal comes to mind.lol
What we have is black people on here, pretty much emphasizing the fact that the reason that us whiteys are so successful is, because we had to morph ourselves away from being black. And what does that tell the average person with an IQ above 85 degrees and partly cloudy? That the average whitey today, is way more evolved than his ancestor which is you. lol
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: Whether the first Europeans were black or not, it appears that the dawning of civilization is a definite result of the black man morphing into the white man. I mean, isn't that what you all are getting at? If the white people were originally black, then perhaps they are the oldest people on earth and the rest of you can just take a seat at the back of the bus.lol
Take a look at what is involved here. In fact it kinda reminds me of someone that thinks backwards with a whole lot of contradictions in between. The typical liberal comes to mind.lol
What we have is black people on here, pretty much emphasizing the fact that the reason that us whiteys are so successful is, because we had to morph ourselves away from being black. And what does that tell the average person with an IQ above 85 degrees and partly cloudy? That the average whitey today, is way more evolved than his ancestor which is you. lol
Simpleton
You miss the point again.
This man here, King Williams of Orange did not magically morph from Black to White.
He was black as you can see. A black King of Scotland.
What happened to him? What happened to his people? What happened to the black Scots?
Where are you pinkos from?
What did you do with the bodies and the bones?
Please respond!
Lion!
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:I. The European races, as a whole, show signs of a secondary or derived origin; certain characteristics, especially the texture of the hair, lead its to class them as intermediate between the extreme primary types of the Asiatic and the negro races respectively.
quote:Then began the discoveries of abundant prehistoric remains all over Europe, particularly in France. These with one accord tended to show that the European aborigines of the stone age were not Mongoloid like the Lapps after all, but the exact opposite. In every detail they resembled rather the dolichocephalic negroes of Africa
quote:IV. It is certain that, after the partial occupation of western Europe by a dolichocephalic Africanoid type in the stone age, an invasion by a broad-headed race of decidedly Asiatic aifinities took place. This intrusive element is represented to-day by the Alpine type of central Europe.
quote:That the Alpine type approaches all the other human millions on the Asiatic continent, in the head form especially, but in hair colour and stature as well, also prejudices us in the matter; just as the increasing long-headedness and extreme brunetness of our Mediterranean race led us previously to derive it from some type parent to that of the African negro. These points are then fixed: the roots of the Alpine race run eastward; those of the Mediterranean type toward the south
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: Whether the first Europeans were black or not, it appears that the dawning of civilization is a definite result of the black man morphing into the white man. I mean, isn't that what you all are getting at? If the white people were originally black, then perhaps they are the oldest people on earth and the rest of you can just take a seat at the back of the bus.lol
So you are now modifying your stance...you are entertaining the idea that white people aren't original at all..lol
quote:Take a look at what is involved here. In fact it kinda reminds me of someone that thinks backwards with a whole lot of contradictions in between. The typical liberal comes to mind.lol
Who is "thinking backwards" here?
The so-called "white" man pretends that his "civilisation" somehow pre-dates that of the mother & father who gave birth to him...
quote:What we have is black people on here, pretty much emphasizing the fact that the reason that us whiteys are so successful is, because we had to morph ourselves away from being black. And what does that tell the average person with an IQ above 85 degrees and partly cloudy? That the average whitey today, is way more evolved than his ancestor which is you. lol
So you are now basically admitting that you come from black people...you admit you "morphed" into your white skin...I believe the Nation of Islam defines it as being "grafted" Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: Whether the first Europeans were black or not, it appears that the dawning of civilization is a definite result of the black man morphing into the white man. I mean, isn't that what you all are getting at? If the white people were originally black, then perhaps they are the oldest people on earth and the rest of you can just take a seat at the back of the bus.lol
Take a look at what is involved here. In fact it kinda reminds me of someone that thinks backwards with a whole lot of contradictions in between. The typical liberal comes to mind.lol
What we have is black people on here, pretty much emphasizing the fact that the reason that us whiteys are so successful is, because we had to morph ourselves away from being black. And what does that tell the average person with an IQ above 85 degrees and partly cloudy? That the average whitey today, is way more evolved than his ancestor which is you. lol
Simpleton
You miss the point again.
This man here, King Williams of Orange did not magically morph from Black to White.
He was black as you can see. A black King of Scotland.
What happened to him? What happened to his people? What happened to the black Scots?
Where are you pinkos from?
What did you do with the bodies and the bones?
Please respond!
Lion!
Here's my response to you. A 3rd century B.C statue of the dying Gaul. Now let me ask you one question. Does he at all look like the typical negro? I mean come on people. You have been brainwashed by your parents into thinking that your ancestors are at the forefront of all historical greatness.lol....Don't believe the bs. It's time that you've finally freed yourselves from all the lies and to start really thinking for yourselves. Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Fake!
Here read this:
"The Dying Gaul (in Italian: Galata Morente), formerly known as the Dying Gladiator, is an ancient Roman marble copy of a lost Hellenistic sculpture that is thought to have been executed in bronze, which was commissioned some time between 230 BC and 220 BC"
" The statue was most commonly known as the Dying Gladiator until the twentieth century,[3] on the assumption that it depicted a wounded gladiator in the Roman amphitheatre . Scholars had identified it as a Gaul by the mid nineteenth century, but it took many decades for the new label to become the norm."
It was first recorded in an inventory in the 17th century. It looks like a renaissance art work. For all you knkow, it could even be as fake as this statue of the dying gladiator:
In any event, this thread is about the black kings of Scotland. I thought you were from Scotland? How come you have nothing to say except inanities about Roman Gauls, and Iberian Moors? Hellooo? We are discussing the black Kings of Scotland.
King Macduff, King Constantine, Earl Douglas, the MacDougals, the sons of the blacks of Scotland.
Don't create distractions....
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Muurish Kings of Scotland
King Constantine III
House of MacAlpin
Name: King Constantine III of Scotland Father: Culen, King of Scotland Mother: unknown House of: MacAlpin Ascended to the throne: 995 Married: unknown Children: none Died: 997, killed at Rathinveramon
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000:
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: Whether the first Europeans were black or not, it appears that the dawning of civilization is a definite result of the black man morphing into the white man. I mean, isn't that what you all are getting at? If the white people were originally black, then perhaps they are the oldest people on earth and the rest of you can just take a seat at the back of the bus.lol
So you are now modifying your stance...you are entertaining the idea that white people aren't original at all..lol
quote:Take a look at what is involved here. In fact it kinda reminds me of someone that thinks backwards with a whole lot of contradictions in between. The typical liberal comes to mind.lol
Who is "thinking backwards" here?
The so-called "white" man pretends that his "civilisation" somehow pre-dates that of the mother & father who gave birth to him...
quote:What we have is black people on here, pretty much emphasizing the fact that the reason that us whiteys are so successful is, because we had to morph ourselves away from being black. And what does that tell the average person with an IQ above 85 degrees and partly cloudy? That the average whitey today, is way more evolved than his ancestor which is you. lol
So you are now basically admitting that you come from black people...you admit you "morphed" into your white skin...I believe the Nation of Islam defines it as being "grafted"
No you are saying that we morphed into our white skin. I am saying that if we did, then we are the old ones. You are the new ones. It was after the process of morphing that civilization began to emerge. In other words you have no right to make any claim upon civilization since you haven't morphed yet.lol
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000: [QB] Hamites are Mediterroid Caucasoid? WTF!??!
The so called "white" Mediterranean race originally was black skinned...
Nope they weren't, nor does Ripley's work support your views. Typically you are quote mining and distorting.
quote: Also remember that the "Moor" and the "Hamite" was counted amongst the "white" races...he was considered a "Caucasoid"...because his facial features weren't allegedly "negro"... racist thinkers of the day admitted that the "negro" presence in Europe was present...they just hid behind "code-words"...the same code-words that you hide behind because you can't face the truth.
Hamites are Caucasoid, secondly Negroids are a recent mutation -
"True" Black Africans appear as a recent adaptive radiation, apparently branching off from an ancestral Pygmy population — a line of ancestry also indicated by osteological data (Coon 1962:651-656; Watson et al. 1996). This radiation seems to have occurred somewhere in West Africa. Before the Bantu expansion about 3,000 years ago, true Black Africans were absent from the continent's central, eastern, and southern regions (Cavalli-Sforza 1986:361-362; Oliver 1966). They were also absent from the middle Nile until about 4,000 years ago, at which time they begin to appear in paintings from Pharaonic Egypt and in skeletal remains from Nubia (Junker 1921).
- The Caucasoid phenotype predates the Negroid by thousands of years. You are the recent mutation, not Caucasoids.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
The above claim the Venus figurines have steatopygia and therefore were modled on Bushman has been debunked in my thread here -
If you are a female and look at your body from an aerial perspective (looking down at yourself, or at your side) you can appear precisely the same as the Venus figures.
The following is a 30 year old Caucasian woman (3 months pregnant) looking down at herself compared to a venus figurine.
The Venus figures were not modeled on African Bushman women with steatopygia, instead they were created on women looking down at themselves and depicting their bodies from that angle.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: The above claim the Venus figurines have steatopygia and therefore were modled on Bushman has been debunked in my thread...
.....
Retard
According to your God Ripley, "Aurignacian 'Negroids' formed the Mediterranean race". Here read:
Any more questions?
Posted by element (Member # 19569) on :
NO..It was you who was debunked ..
As previously explained....
If we followed your hypothesis the figurine heads would be elevated...Like this..
you have a habit of posting links to threads which disprove you... you can reduce memory loss by altering your diet. . .
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: The above claim the Venus figurines have steatopygia and therefore were modled on Bushman has been debunked in my thread here -
If you are a female and look at your body from an aerial perspective (looking down at yourself, or at your side) you can appear precisely the same as the Venus figures.
The following is a 30 year old Caucasian woman (3 months pregnant) looking down at herself compared to a venus figurine.
The Venus figures were not modeled on African Bushman women with steatopygia, instead they were created on women looking down at themselves and depicting their bodies from that angle.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: According to your God Ripley, "Aurignacian 'Negroids' formed the Mediterranean race". Here read:
Any more questions?
That is a page sample from 'Ancient hunters and their modern representatives' by William Johnson Sollas (1915).
Ripley never wrote/supported what you have posted, and secondly you have confused William Johnson Sollas with William Zebina Ripley... the only retard here is you.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
^ As i explained the Negroid-Grimaldi (Aurignacian) link was an error, it was corrected by Keith himself who originally made that identification.
So digging up works from 100 years ago, really doesn't help you.
If you look at more recent literature from the 1960's, 70's and 80's on the Grimaldi remains you will see that the error was corrected.
No scientist today supports the Grimaldi-Negroid theory... its obsolete. This is why Funkcity has to spam texts which are 100 years old here. As i explained Keith who first identified ''negroid traits'' of the grimaldi crania then abandonded this view. He accepted he made a mistake. The afronut liars though will just continue to spam this really outdated, debunked negroid-grimaldi link hoping it might fool someone into thinking it is scientifically valid.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by element: [QB] NO..It was you who was debunked ..
As previously explained....
If we followed your hypothesis the figurine heads would be elevated...Like this..
These figurines were made 30,000 or more years back. They couldn't design the heads like that, secondly the focus is on the body - as these objects represent fertility or a mother goddess which was the prevelant religious concept during Palaeolithic times.
Also i never invented the theory what i posted. Experts and archaeologists have, and i linked to a peer-reviewed source. Somehow i am more interested in what they have to say than some afronut behind his keyboard... Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
What does everyone make of this 26,000 year old ivory statuette of a cro magnon? It looks to be similar to the modern European.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
^ Yep. Just looks like a robust Caucasoid. Cro-Magnons were still evolving so they had thicker eye ridges etc. Note that the hair is wavy-straight, not wooly like Negroids.
Cro-Magnon's were proto-Caucasoid.
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Zaharan found the fellow to be a pathological liar and he calls someone retarded.
Cassi-Fakdes: MULTIPLE TIMES AT BAT, MULTIPLE EXPOSURES AS A FAKE...
--fake claim that no Australian Abo over 20 is blonde
-- fake claim that tropical Africans do not have any diversity in hair, skin or eye color
-- fake Cavalli-Sforza citation
-- 2nd fake Cavalli-Sforza reference
-- Faked Watson reference
-- Faked Biblical reference
. .
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ Yep. Just looks like a robust Caucasoid. Cro-Magnons were still evolving so they had thicker eye ridges etc. Note that the hair is wavy-straight, not wooly like Negroids.
Cro-Magnon's were proto-Caucasoid.
If this is the way early modern Europeans portrayed themselves to look, then there's really no debate as to how they looked for at least the last 26,000 years. The face and hair makes the statuette look very modern European in alot of respects. I'm glad I took a class in Debunking Nonsense 101.lol
Posted by Grumman (Member # 14051) on :
Brada-Anansi: ''culture hit them with culture and watch them scurry from a thread like rats or roaches when you hit the light switch.''
I know that did the trick for me when I was about 10-11 years old. Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: Whether the first Europeans were black or not, it appears that the dawning of civilization is a definite result of the black man morphing into the white man. I mean, isn't that what you all are getting at? If the white people were originally black, then perhaps they are the oldest people on earth and the rest of you can just take a seat at the back of the bus.lol
Take a look at what is involved here. In fact it kinda reminds me of someone that thinks backwards with a whole lot of contradictions in between. The typical liberal comes to mind.lol
What we have is black people on here, pretty much emphasizing the fact that the reason that us whiteys are so successful is, because we had to morph ourselves away from being black. And what does that tell the average person with an IQ above 85 degrees and partly cloudy? That the average whitey today, is way more evolved than his ancestor which is you. lol
Simpleton
You miss the point again.
This man here, King Williams of Orange did not magically morph from Black to White.
He was black as you can see. A black King of Scotland.
What happened to him? What happened to his people? What happened to the black Scots?
Where are you pinkos from?
What did you do with the bodies and the bones?
Please respond!
Lion!
What happened to the black Scots of Scotland?
Posted by Fruity Reed (Member # 15917) on :
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
What happened to the black Scots of Scotland?
^Do you mean my post about cro magnons? I used that example to show that early modern Europeans such as the Cro Magnon. have been approaching the physical characteristics of present-day Europeans for at least the last 26,000 years. Thus no characteristically negroid Scots for at least the last 26,000 years. Unless of course there were other types besides the Cro Magnon in Europe at the time.
But it still doesn't suffice to say that if there were negro types in Europe at that time, that they would have represented the ancestors of modern day Europeans.Especially since the Cro Magnon featues seem to do that pretty well already.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^Dummy!
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Muurish Kings of Scotland
King Constantine III
House of MacAlpin
Name: King Constantine III of Scotland Father: Culen, King of Scotland Mother: unknown House of: MacAlpin Ascended to the throne: 995 Married: unknown Children: none Died: 997, killed at Rathinveramon
Black Son of the Black Scottish King
Constantine III,[1] (before 971–997) was king of Scots from 995 to 997. He was the son of Cuilén, King of Scotland (Cuilén mac Iduilb).
Constantine is not known to have any descendants and he was the last of the line of Áed (Áed mac Cináeda) to have been king.
He was black as you can see. A black King of Scotland.
Iron, William III England Scotland and Ireland aka Prince of Orange
William III & II (4 November 1650 – 8 March 1702)[1] (Dutch: Willem III) was a Protestant sovereign Prince of Orange of the House of Orange-Nassau by birth. From 1672 he governed as Stadtholder William III of Orange (Dutch: Willem III van Oranje) over Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht, Guelders, and Overijssel of the Dutch Republic. From 1689 he reigned as William III over England and Ireland. As King of Scotland, he is known as William II. (note Mike says only the Holy Romans were black but the Protestants were white, Willam was a Protestant) (by black I mean oxidized bronze)
William of Orange's parents, offical portrait
William II prince of Orange and Maria Stuart
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Iron, if you want to go with the picture at the top with what appears to be darker skin, does this darker skin alone mena the person was "black" ?
For example if we take this Turkish guy and dress him up in medieval clothes is he "black" ??
Or if we dress this Palestinian in medieval clothes is he then "black" ??
Or how about a modern king:
Constantine II (Greek: Κωνσταντῖνος Βʹ, Βασιλεὺς τῶν Ἑλλήνων, Konstantínos Βʹ, Vasiléfs ton Ellínon; born 2 June 1940) was King of Greece from 1964 until the abolition of the monarchy in 1973, the sixth and last monarch of the Greek Royal Family.
^^^ If you mean these guys are Muurs, then yes, William was in fact black
I see Black people Posted by Fruity Reed (Member # 15917) on :
I see species Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:"WHO WERE THE "ANCIENT BRITONS" ?
"The earliest of these two races would seem to have inhabited our islands from the most ancient times, and may, for our purpose, be described as aboriginal. "
"In physique it was short, swarthy, dark-haired, dark-eyed, and long-skulled; its language belonged to the class called "Hamitic ", the surviving types of which are found among the Gallas, Abyssinians, Berbers, and other North African tribes; and it seems to have come ORIGINALLY FROM some part either of EASTERN, NORTHERN, OR CENTRAL AFRICA."
-The mythology of the British Islands; an introduction to Celtic myth, legend, poetry, and romance (1905) by Charles Squire
quote:Some philologists, however, affirm that the modern Celtic dialects are distinguished by peculiarities of syntax which show that they were influenced by contact with an older language akin to the Hamitic dialects of Africa.
-Ancient Britain and the invasions of Julius Caesar (1907) by Thomas Rice Holmes
quote:"In an ancient grave near Caithness in the north of Scotland, a number of human skeletons and skulls of very low formation were recently found."
"The skulls themselves, according to Laing, approach most nearly to the African type"
quote:The very ancient skull found in the Isle of Portland and presented a few years ago by J. W. Smart to the Anthropological Society of London, also belongs to this category ; it had its bones very thick, exhibited very prominent orbits and was altogether of so low a type that it resembled the very lowest of Negro skulls (see Anthrop. Review for October, 1865.)
-Man in the past, present and future: a popular account of the results of recent scientific research regarding the origin, position and prospects of mankind (1894) by Ludwig Büchner
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:For my part,I have been greatly struck by the resemblances these Grimaldi Negroids bear to the group of South African tribes, the Bushmen and the Hottentots,
quote:"All these facts," says M. Verneau, "show that our two Grimaldi Negroids are really representatives of a race which played an important part in Western Europe.
quote:It is not only in prehistoric times that the Grimaldi race seems to have made its influence felt. M. Verneau has been able to see, now in modern skulls and now in living subjects, in the Italian areas of Piedmont, Lombardy, Emilia, Tuscany, and the Rhone Valley, numerous characters of the old fossil race.
quote:Since the publication of M. Verneau's work, other skeletons of Negroids have been described from the Neolithic of Illyria and the Balkans. The prehistoric statuettes from Sultan Selo in Bulgaria, dating from the Copper Age, seem to represent figures of Negroids. (According to Zupanic in "Les premiers habitants des pays Yougo-Slaves," Revue aiithropologiqiie, iQiQj P- 32.)
quote:In the Grotte des Enfants near Mentone there have actually been discovered two skeletons which are believed to belong to the race of artists, and an examination of them reveals that they were of negroid type of low stature and closely resembling the modern South African Bushmen. Professor Sollas goes farther: he thinks there is ground for the suspicion that the Bushmen are descended from this ancient negroid race, just as the Australians may be descended from the Mousterians. Not only is there anatomical resemblance between the two, but the Bushmen also are a race of artists, and their paintings have a conspicuous family likeness to those of the Palaeolithic Europeans. It was already held on quite independent evidence that the Bushmen had migrated southwards through Africa. There appears therefore to be really considerable evidence to connect them with the negroid race which inhabited the Mediterranean area many tens of thousands of years ago.
-The Edinburgh review: or Critical journal, Volume 215(1912) by Sydney Smith
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ Yep. Just looks like a robust Caucasoid. Cro-Magnons were still evolving so they had thicker eye ridges etc. Note that the hair is wavy-straight, not wooly like Negroids.
Cro-Magnon's were proto-Caucasoid.
You are about as phony as a $3 bill...
"Negroids" have "wavy-straight" hair also...where do u think the phenotype originated???
quote:At the present day, we cannot help making comparisons between the men of the early Reindeer Age, that is, the Aurignacians or at least the first of the Aurignacians, and certain modern groups, and in so doing we are led to admit that they are African in origin. The presence and the persistence of a plentiful Aurignacian industry in Africa and particularly in North Africa (where it has been designated the Capstan or Getulian industry) ; the uninterrupted chain, across the whole of the Dark Continent from north to south, of an art developed on cave-walls or rocks ; the really extraordinary resemblances between the art of the South Africans and our prehistoric art ; the evidence, obtained by Breuil's remarkable work and observations in Spain of transition stages between Aurignacian and Magdalenian art on the one hand and on the other the less naturalistic and more diagrammatic art of more southern regions, as well as the neolithic art of Susa ;—all these facts plead in favour of our hypothesis, all are at one in breaking down the isolation of our Reindeer Age and leading us to admit the existence of broad relationships with countries and peoples whose prehistory has hardly yet begun to be unveiled.
-Fossil men : elements of human palaeontology (1923) by Marcellin Boule
and since you bozos are keen on posting information primarily gathered from WIKIPEDIA...
He was black as you can see. A black King of Scotland.
Iron, William III England Scotland and Ireland aka Prince of Orange
...blah..blah..blah.. I see Black people
My dearly beloved Dunce
My picture of William III was painted during the lifetime of William III, in the early 17th century. All the other pictures you are posting were created decades and centuries after his death. They are not contemporary pictures.
Why does the early picture depict him as black, while the latter pictures depict as blanco?
I await your response
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ^Dummy!
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Muurish Kings of Scotland
King Constantine III
House of MacAlpin
Name: King Constantine III of Scotland Father: Culen, King of Scotland Mother: unknown House of: MacAlpin Ascended to the throne: 995 Married: unknown Children: none Died: 997, killed at Rathinveramon
Black Son of the Black Scottish King
Constantine III,[1] (before 971–997) was king of Scots from 995 to 997. He was the son of Cuilén, King of Scotland (Cuilén mac Iduilb).
Constantine is not known to have any descendants and he was the last of the line of Áed (Áed mac Cináeda) to have been king.
And Duncey, you can also find his "white picture"..lol!
Posted by Fruity Reed (Member # 15917) on :
Mary is in bed sound asleep. Stop framing her up man! Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
^^^^ Ironed, these aren't black people, get your eyes checked. they are both white. Also you lied about the other painting I posted saying it was not painted in his time. You made that up. Why do you waste my time with lies?
It was painted by Williams official court painter, you bozo: Sir Godfrey Kneller
first studied in Amsterdam under Bol and later in Italy. In the mid 1670’s, he moved to England and became the leading court and society painter around the beginning of the reign of James II. In 1689, when Wililam III and Mary II took the throne, Kneller became their principal painter along with John Riley.
by the way you did exactly what you falsly accused me of you fraud:
17th cent. portrait of Causantin III (Constantine III) of Scotland Commissioned during the reign of Charles II Gallery in Holyrood Palace
over 600 years after Constantine III died !!!
Ironedlion R.I.P.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^Of course Dunce, I have no problem with Godfrey Kneller's potrait. Don't you see I separated it from the rest of the other trash you put up? My problem was all the other fake potrait of King William II which you put up.
Here is Godfrey Kneller's interpretation of an albanoid Issac Newton and compare with King William III:
Now look at the pictures of Black King William III beneath and answer the query in it.
Thanks
Lion!
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
He was black as you can see. A black King of Scotland.
Iron, William III England Scotland and Ireland aka Prince of Orange
...blah..blah..blah.. I see Black people
My dearly beloved Dunce
My picture of William III was painted during the lifetime of William III, in the early 17th century. All the other pictures you are posting were created decades and centuries after his death. They are not contemporary pictures.
Why does the early picture depict him as black, while the latter pictures depict as blanco?
I await your response
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
^^^^ Ironed, these aren't black people, get your eyes checked. they are both white. Also you lied about the other painting I posted saying it was not painted in his time. You made that up. Why do you waste my time with lies?
It was painted by Williams official court painter, you bozo: Sir Godfrey Kneller
first studied in Amsterdam under Bol and later in Italy. In the mid 1670’s, he moved to England and became the leading court and society painter around the beginning of the reign of James II. In 1689, when Wililam III and Mary II took the throne, Kneller became their principal painter along with John Riley.
by the way you did exactly what you falsly accused me of you fraud:
17th cent. portrait of Causantin III (Constantine III) of Scotland Commissioned during the reign of Charles II Gallery in Holyrood Palace
over 600 years after Constantine III died !!!
Ironedlion R.I.P.
LoL! What is your argument Dunce cat? Is it that my picture is false? Or is it that the black man you see with your two eyes is not black?
If my picture is fake then find a better one! If you are saying that Constantine III painted right before you is not the image of a black man then I am very sorry for you, Duncey.
Why would the Scots ever paint their King as a black man? By accident or by design? What is that black man known as Constantine III doing there?
I know you are reeling in shock, Duncebag, but I have just begun teaching you the true history of Scotland.
Tie all this in with King Kenneth Dubh (the Black), and the clan of MacDuff (the sons of the black). Tie it in with the MacDougals, and the Morays, and the black Douglases, then you will begin to understand.
I suppose the guy below King Kenneth Niger Dubh is "not black"? Please respond:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
King Kenneth Dubh: 962 – 997 AD
Dub mac Maíl Coluim (Modern Gaelic: Dubh mac Mhaoil Chaluim) sometimes anglicised as Duff MacMalcolm Niger, “the Black” (died 967) was king of Alba.
He was son of Malcolm I (Máel Coluim mac Domnaill) and succeeded to the throne when Indulf (Ildulb mac Causantín) was killed in 962.
Niger Val Dubh lived and reigned over certain black divisions in Scotland. A clan of Scots known as ‘the sons of the blacks’ (MacDub or MacDuib, MacDuff) succeeded him in history. (JA Rogers, Sex and Race).
Dubh’s descendants, the clann Dubh, (clan MacDuff) became officials of the Scottish court and later Earls of Fife.
Here is Godfrey Kneller's interpretation of an albanoid Issac Newton and compare with King William III:
Now look at the pictures of Black King William III beneath and answer the query in it.
Thanks
Lion!
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
He was black as you can see. A black King of Scotland.
Iron, William III England Scotland and Ireland aka Prince of Orange
...blah..blah..blah.. I see Black people
My dearly beloved Dunce
My picture of William III was painted during the lifetime of William III, in the early 17th century. All the other pictures you are posting were created decades and centuries after his death. They are not contemporary pictures.
Why does the early picture depict him as black, while the latter pictures depict as blanco?
I await your response
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How about we compare them all to this Turk:
all of them are less black than this Turk and he's not even black.
Compare it to this other Sicilian:
this guy is blacker and he aint even black goddamit
^^^ another portrait by Kneller,
Ironed, I ask you, are you retarded?
I bet you can't even tell us who the painter of the William III at top you put incompetant
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
Here is Godfrey Kneller's interpretation of an albanoid Issac Newton and compare with King William III:
Now look at the pictures of Black King William III beneath and answer the query in it.
Thanks
Lion!
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
He was black as you can see. A black King of Scotland.
Iron, William III England Scotland and Ireland aka Prince of Orange
...blah..blah..blah.. I see Black people
My dearly beloved Dunce
My picture of William III was painted during the lifetime of William III, in the early 17th century. All the other pictures you are posting were created decades and centuries after his death. They are not contemporary pictures.
Why does the early picture depict him as black, while the latter pictures depict as blanco?
I await your response
How about we compare them all to this Turk:
blah..blah..blah..[/QB]
Why is Issac Newton looking so opposite of King William III of the House of Orange?
Because they are not the same race. One is black, in colour and in features. Fleshy lips, high cheeks, black skin colour.
That black man was a King of Scotland.
The other picture is of an albino, blond hair, pale skin, thin lines, what have you. The difference is clear.
One is Muurish, the other is Gothic! Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
^^^^ Ironed, these aren't black people, get your eyes checked. they are both white. Also you lied about the other painting I posted saying it was not painted in his time. You made that up. Why do you waste my time with lies?
It was painted by Williams official court painter, you bozo: Sir Godfrey Kneller
first studied in Amsterdam under Bol and later in Italy. In the mid 1670’s, he moved to England and became the leading court and society painter around the beginning of the reign of James II. In 1689, when Wililam III and Mary II took the throne, Kneller became their principal painter along with John Riley.
by the way you did exactly what you falsly accused me of you fraud:
17th cent. portrait of Causantin III (Constantine III) of Scotland Commissioned during the reign of Charles II Gallery in Holyrood Palace
over 600 years after Constantine III died !!!
Ironedlion R.I.P.
LoL! What is your argument Dunce cat? Is it that my picture is false? Or is it that the black man you see with your two eyes is not black?
If my picture is fake then find a better one! If you are saying that Constantine III painted right before you is not the image of a black man then I am very sorry for you, Duncey.
Why would the Scots ever paint their King as a black man? By accident or by design? What is that black man known as Constantine III doing there?
I know you are reeling in shock, Duncebag, but I have just begun teaching you the true history of Scotland.
Tie all this in with King Kenneth Dubh (the Black), and the clan of MacDuff (the sons of the black). Tie it in with the MacDougals, and the Morays, and the black Douglases, then you will begin to understand.
I suppose the guy below King Kenneth Niger Dubh is "not black"? Please respond:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
King Kenneth Dubh: 962 – 997 AD
Dub mac Maíl Coluim (Modern Gaelic: Dubh mac Mhaoil Chaluim) sometimes anglicised as Duff MacMalcolm Niger, “the Black” (died 967) was king of Alba.
He was son of Malcolm I (Máel Coluim mac Domnaill) and succeeded to the throne when Indulf (Ildulb mac Causantín) was killed in 962.
Niger Val Dubh lived and reigned over certain black divisions in Scotland. A clan of Scots known as ‘the sons of the blacks’ (MacDub or MacDuib, MacDuff) succeeded him in history. (JA Rogers, Sex and Race).
Dubh’s descendants, the clann Dubh, (clan MacDuff) became officials of the Scottish court and later Earls of Fife.
The Princess Louise Marie-Therese, Daughter of Louis XIV and Marie-Therese
Same thing as William III.
Muurs to come...
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
^^^^ Ironed, these aren't black people, get your eyes checked. they are both white. Also you lied about the other painting I posted saying it was not painted in his time. You made that up. Why do you waste my time with lies?
It was painted by Williams official court painter, you bozo: Sir Godfrey Kneller
first studied in Amsterdam under Bol and later in Italy. In the mid 1670’s, he moved to England and became the leading court and society painter around the beginning of the reign of James II. In 1689, when Wililam III and Mary II took the throne, Kneller became their principal painter along with John Riley.
by the way you did exactly what you falsly accused me of you fraud:
17th cent. portrait of Causantin III (Constantine III) of Scotland Commissioned during the reign of Charles II Gallery in Holyrood Palace
over 600 years after Constantine III died !!!
Ironedlion R.I.P.
LoL! What is your argument Dunce cat? Is it that my picture is false? Or is it that the black man you see with your two eyes is not black?
If my picture is fake then find a better one! If you are saying that Constantine III painted right before you is not the image of a black man then I am very sorry for you, Duncey.
Why would the Scots ever paint their King as a black man? By accident or by design? What is that black man known as Constantine III doing there?
I know you are reeling in shock, Duncebag, but I have just begun teaching you the true history of Scotland.
Tie all this in with King Kenneth Dubh (the Black), and the clan of MacDuff (the sons of the black). Tie it in with the MacDougals, and the Morays, and the black Douglases, then you will begin to understand.
I suppose the guy below King Kenneth Niger Dubh is "not black"? Please respond:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
King Kenneth Dubh: 962 – 997 AD
Dub mac Maíl Coluim (Modern Gaelic: Dubh mac Mhaoil Chaluim) sometimes anglicised as Duff MacMalcolm Niger, “the Black” (died 967) was king of Alba.
He was son of Malcolm I (Máel Coluim mac Domnaill) and succeeded to the throne when Indulf (Ildulb mac Causantín) was killed in 962.
Niger Val Dubh lived and reigned over certain black divisions in Scotland. A clan of Scots known as ‘the sons of the blacks’ (MacDub or MacDuib, MacDuff) succeeded him in history. (JA Rogers, Sex and Race).
Dubh’s descendants, the clann Dubh, (clan MacDuff) became officials of the Scottish court and later Earls of Fife.
if you were to take this William The Conquereor coin :
and you were to wear down the surface flatly you would get something looking like the above item
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
I believe a lot of "racism" is rooted in the so-called "white" people having detachment issues that began ages ago...a lot of their deep seeded negativity stems from rejection...
quote:Aethiops Albus, Albino
-Medical lexicon: a dictionary of medical science : containing a concise explanation of the various subjects and terms (1846) by Robley Dunglison
quote:The nature of the response of 37 black mothers to their albino infants, in comparison with matched controls, was investigated longitudinally by means of interviews and observations. Mothers were found initially to be depressed and unhappy, uncomfortable with close contact with their infants, and reluctant to hold and breast-feed them. When observed in interaction with the infants, the mothers showed fewer behaviors in comparison with the controls. Three months later the mothers appeared to be interacting normally with their infants, but they expressed feelings of unhappiness that persisted until the infants reached 9 months of age. The birth of an albino infant seems to cause a delay in maternal attachment and a sadness similar to that described in connection with the birth of an infant with other congenital disorders.
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: William the Conqueror of England. He made incursions into Scotland.
This is the only self-authenticated coin image of William the Conqueror that is in existence:
if you were to take this William The Conquereor coin :
and you were to wear down the surface flatly you would get something looking like the above item
Another goofy response by our favourite Dunce.
The important point here to consider is how come so-called white Scottish Kings have their potraits and coin images depicted as black people.
Note that there was no where in West Africa that depicted its Kings as white, at the same period.
Why then would white Kings be depicted as black people if not for the fact that they are black people. At least we know that they are racially different from the pink white albanoids who became the modern day Europeans.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
Here is Godfrey Kneller's interpretation of an albanoid Issac Newton and compare with King William III:
Now look at the pictures of Black King William III beneath and answer the query in it.
Why the difference between the two men? Well one is a black King of Scotland. The other is an albanoid Albion (English man).
Posted by element (Member # 19569) on :
This portrait looks like a really poor fake..... It's almost comical. There's no texture & it's one dimensional.
where is the gallery which houses this ?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by element: @ ironlion..... Hold up ..
This portrait looks like a really poor fake..... It's almost comical. There's no texture . where is the gallery which houses this ?
ORIGIN OF NAME STUART AS IN HOUSE OF STUART OF SCOTLAND AS ARE THE MONARCHS ON THIS PAGE: Note the ball of woolly hair and in Mary's case, like balls of wool. Note the big, wide noses of James I and James V.
There is another old word used by the Anglo-Saxons to denote black or brown-black the word sweart. The personal names Suart and Sueart may have been derived from this word, and may have originally denoted people of a dark-brown or black complexion. Some names of this kind are mentioned in the Domesday record of Buckinghamshire and Lincolnshire. ________________________________________ IN: -Origin of the Anglo-Saxon race : a study of the settlement of England and the tribal origin of the Old English people(1906) by Thomas William Shore
Another image of
William the Conqueror
. .
Posted by element (Member # 19569) on :
lion . weh u ah deal wid ? who you callin nigga ?
I guess my standards are higher...you may be content to view the same portrait at the same angles .I think i'll give this library a call later on.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^Gwan bro, call them. Let me know!
PS: Me neva use Nigga in any bad way though to any of my Niggaz!
quote: Jamaica
Ityopia
Nigeria
Jamaica is the land of Jah-men and Jah-wombmen.
Ity-ops is the child of Jah, the father of black people, the king of humanity.
Nigeria is the land of N’ger, the mother of the black race. The Niggers! My Nigaz who were taken down into bondage from the land of Egypt into Babylon (the western world).
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ Yep. Just looks like a robust Caucasoid. Cro-Magnons were still evolving so they had thicker eye ridges etc. Note that the hair is wavy-straight, not wooly like Negroids.
Cro-Magnon's were proto-Caucasoid.
You are about as phony as a $3 bill...
"Negroids" have "wavy-straight" hair also...where do u think the phenotype originated???
Are you blind? The Capoid woman you posted has wooly hair, look at her hair roots. She's just attempted to artificially straighten it.
Only Caucasoids have wavy hair. Most black people hate having wooly or 'nappy' hair and so out of self-hate artificially straighten their hair to look more white.
Racial Psychology: Why Do Black People Want to be White?
Almost all black people today have gone to the most extreme measures to appear as white as possible—and no-one has dared to explain it on a racial psychological level – except, of course, to blame white people for “racism.”
Black hair straighteners, or “relaxers” as they are now deviously called, have flooded the world market. They are as common in Africa as they are amongst black populations in Europe and America.
Everywhere you look, Black African females suddenly have straight or “good” hair, as they call it.
The black comedian Chris Rock has even made a film about the phenomenon, called “Good Hair” which revealed that his community spends $5,000 per treatment to get “good” (i.e. straight) hair and that the industry is worth $9 billion a year in America alone.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
^^^ He's Igbo, look at the yellowish skin tone
Compare to pinkish tone of the albinoid below:
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: . . Note the ball of woolly hair
William the Conqueror
. .
***note evidence of hair relaxer in beard Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
A whiteman carrying around African and Middleeastern genetic stuff needn't look anything like his fore bearers.
Some futher reasons why the concept of race is bull-sh!t..
There are other precedents for the finding. The third US president, Thomas Jefferson, probably had a Y chromosome belonging to the haplogroup known as K2. This discovery came out of a project to determine whether he had fathered children from Sally Hemings, a slave owned by Jefferson.
The president had no surname-bearing progeny, so researchers had to test male-line descendents of his paternal uncle.
Jefferson's father claimed Welsh ancestry. But his Y-haplogroup is rare in Europe and has not yet been reported in Britain.
In fact, genetic studies show that Thomas Jefferson's K2 haplogroup ultimately came from north-east Africa or the Middle East, the areas where it is most commonly found today.
The research on haplogroup A1 was funded by the Wellcome Trust.
Al-Takruri
quote:The Fulani in Cameroun have K2-M70 at 18%. I think M70 now classifies as marking hg T. It would be enlightening to test the remains of autochthone British islanders that MacRitchie conclusively found to be native blacks. Thus we have those CeltIberians the Roman author Tacitus labeled Silures. Were they and other blacks of the pre-Roman British Isles direct remnants of the first R-M173 settlers of Western Europe? Only DNA testing of osteo remains of these peoples will tell.
Yorkshireman found to share DNA with African tribes Last updated at 22:52em on 27.01.07 Revis has always considered himself a true Yorkshireman who was proud of his ancestry. But he has been forced to confront an entirely different heritage - after scientists uncovered that he has exactly the same DNA imprint as a tribe of African warriors. Scientists last week announced the discovery of the first proof that slaves brought to Britain by the Romans left behind a distinct genetic heritage. This strand was revealed to exist among just seven men with a particular surname hailing from the North of England. However, the academics refused to disclose the identities of any of those men included in the study. Now The Mail on Sunday has discovered that all of those with the African lineage have the surname Revis. Last night, John, 75, a retired surveyor living in Leicester, said: "I started looking into my family history and traced my ancestors back to the mid-1700s. "One line went to the States and became very successful while my immediate line stayed in the North of England and were mostly bakers. There was nothing to suggest that I was African." John responded to a newspaper advert by Leicester University asking for people who have traced their ancestry to give DNA samples for a study on world populations. He said: "The scientists took some of my DNA away for analysis and then one day they called me up and were very excited. They said I had a Y-chromosome that was extremely rare. I was flabbergasted. I had no idea that I was so culturally unique. But I am not going to start eating couscous and riding a camel." John is attempting to take the discovery in his stride. He added: "It was a shock to find out that, because I was so blond and blue-eyed when I was younger, people thought I was Nordic or German. "But the researchers said that if my DNA were examined then people would assume they were looking at a North African man. "I suspect there must have been some big Berber tribesman who came to Britain with the Romans and spread his seed all over Yorkshire." John is married with three children and six grandchildren. The news shocked his friends at Brookfield Bowls Club in Leicester. He added: "It is a very white establishment which can be a little awkward in a multi-racial place such as Leicester. "At least now they can say they have got one more ethnic-minority member but I doubt anyone would be able to pick me out. His wife Marlene was also taken aback." She said: "I can hardly believe it. John has always seemed very English to me. He likes his roast beef and Yorkshire pudding on a Sunday. He has never asked me to cook anything unusual. My friends think our news is hilarious. "The closest John ever came to the traditional Berber life was when he went camping with the Scouts. I don't think we've been in a tent since we got married.' Scientists from Leicester University made the finding during research sponsored by The Wellcome Trust. They were examining the relationship between the male, or Y, chromosome and surnames. Like surnames, the Y-chromosome is passed from father to son, virtually unchanged through generations. Professor Mark Jobling said: "We found John was in the A1 group of Y-chromosomes, which is very rare and highly west African-specific. "This study has shown what it means to be British is complicated and always has been. Human migration history is very complex, particularly for an island nation such as ours. This study further debunks the idea that there are simple and distinct populations or races." Over time, the Y-chromosome accumulates small changes in DNA sequence, allowing scientists to study the relationships between different male lineages. The surname Revis is believed to derive from Rievaulx Abbey in Yorkshire. Berber comes from the Latin word for Barbarian. Fellow researcher Turi King said: "Our findings represent the first genetic evidence of Africans among 'indigenous' British people." She added that Africans were first recorded in northern England 1,800 years ago, brought by the Romans to help defend Hadrian's Wall. Ms King said: "The slave trade was responsible for the influx of Africans in the 16th and 17th Centuries. By the last third of the 18th Century there were 10,000 black people in Britain.
Now York is not Scotland but it is not too far from the Scottish frontier where Hadrian's Wall was Guarded by African Roman Soldiers keeping in mind what I said above about soldiers who wished to remained behind after there stint with the army was over.
Dr Eckardt said: "Multi-cultural Britain is not just a phenomenon of more modern times. "Analysis of the 'Ivory Bangle Lady' and others like her, contradicts common popular assumptions about the make up of Roman-British populations as well as the view that African immigrants in Roman Britain were of low status, male and likely to have been slaves." The Ivory Bangle Lady will feature in an exhibition about the diversity of the population of Roman York at the Yorkshire Museum in August. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/north_yorkshire/8538888.stm
To Jupiter Best and Greatest and the Majesty of our two Emperors, to the Genius [guardian spirit] of the numerus of Aurelian Moors, Valerianus’ and Gallienus’ own, Caelius Vibianus, cohort-tribune in charge of the above-mentioned numerus, [set up this altar] through the agency of Julius Rufinus, senior centurion. The Notitia Dignitatum, a Roman list of officials and dignitaries, also mentions the unit. It reads: praefectus numeri Maurorum Aurelianorum, Aballaba, ‘prefect of the numerus of Aurelian Moors, at Aballava’. ‘Aurelianorum’ suggests that the unit was named in honour of the emperor Marcus Aurelius (for the film buffs, Richard Harris in Gladiator!) c AD 161-80. So we can say with some confidence that the unit occupied the site of Burgh-by-Sands around the 2nd to 4th centuries AD. The precise date of the occupation of the fort of Aballava by the Numerus Maurorum Aurelianorum is unknown, as is the exact number of north African soldiers stationed there, although a small fort like Aballava could hold upwards of 500 men. http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba77/feat1.shtml
The descendants of the above would easily became part of the Nobility on either side of the wall,again based on the nature of their ancestors occupation of land lords and protectors.
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
Yo, Lioness. You supposedly quoted me writing,
"Originally posted by Marc Washington: . . Note the ball of woolly hair
William the Conqueror"
Go back and look again. I didn't place that observation above the coin of William the Conqueror. I hope you aren't trying to put words in my mouth. I used it for Mary, James I and James V.
Otherwise, thank you for introducing that coin. It got dem big lips and wide-ish Negroes are noted for.
. .
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:It got dem big lips and wide-ish Negroes are noted for.
The photo you show doesn't have a wide nose. His nose is typically European - thin nasal bridge, prominent appearance etc.
You get pictures of white men and then claim they are Negroes', which is why after typing your name in on google i realise virtually every site you are on people call you a troll. Why else would you be calling white people as Negroids?
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: It got dem big lips and wide-ish Negroes are noted for.
that's racist against Ethiopians and Somalians
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
Yeah.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: It got dem big lips and wide-ish Negroes are noted for.
Mother:
Father: Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Zaharan found the fellow to be a pathological liar and he calls someone retarded.
Cassi-Fakdes: MULTIPLE TIMES AT BAT, MULTIPLE EXPOSURES AS A FAKE...
--fake claim that no Australian Abo over 20 is blonde
-- fake claim that tropical Africans do not have any diversity in hair, skin or eye color
-- fake Cavalli-Sforza citation
-- 2nd fake Cavalli-Sforza reference
-- Faked Watson reference
-- Faked Biblical reference
. .
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: It got dem big lips and wide-ish Negroes are noted for.
that's racist against Ethiopians and Somalians
Here's Rev. Paul M. Washington doing a Black Power Salute:
What's also funny is that you can view Marc's entire family photos at the above website - and all of them have the typical Negroid appearance (wooly hair, wide noses, thick lips etc) yet then Marc on his website out of self-hate of these features claims Black Africans are straight haired... This has always been the case - all the afrocentrics who online claim blacks have thin noses and straight hair in real life never have them.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: Whether the first Europeans were black or not, it appears that the dawning of civilization is a definite result of the black man morphing into the white man. I mean, isn't that what you all are getting at? If the white people were originally black, then perhaps they are the oldest people on earth and the rest of you can just take a seat at the back of the bus.lol
Take a look at what is involved here. In fact it kinda reminds me of someone that thinks backwards with a whole lot of contradictions in between. The typical liberal comes to mind.lol
What we have is black people on here, pretty much emphasizing the fact that the reason that us whiteys are so successful is, because we had to morph ourselves away from being black. And what does that tell the average person with an IQ above 85 degrees and partly cloudy? That the average whitey today, is way more evolved than his ancestor which is you. lol
quote:What we have is black people on here, pretty much emphasizing the fact that the reason that us whiteys are so successful is, because we had to morph ourselves away from being black.
This quote made me go straight to google to find out about poor whites, white trash etc. I remembered some wiki information how the racist white minority South African government realised that not all whites could be expected to exert their natural superiority over Blacks. So these whites were given certain privileges so they at least appeared superior over Blacks: they were given more money, better houses and jobs were reserved for them. Blacks had to have their traveling passes validated by the lowest white worker at the place of labour. It was also presented that the work done by skilled Blacks, was passed as work done by his white chef, who might have been an imbecile. This is how white superiority is enforced.
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by element: lion . weh u ah deal wid ? who you callin nigga ?
I guess my standards are higher...you may be content to view the same portrait at the same angles .I think i'll give this library a call later on.
lol
bredrin...dem soon come try tell yuh bout yuhSelf and fi yuh owna culture....lol...
BUT, mi can tell di I this:
It was one of the best known scandals of its time....'Louise-Marie illegitimate daughter of Queen Marie-Theresa, wife of the King of France, Louis XIV, became known as the Black Nun of Moret.'
The daughter's father was Nabo from Dahomey, the queen's 'gift' (as was custom back then) from M. de Beaufort.
It may have been pay back for King Louis XIV's affair with an African woman named Jeanne.
The king's own cousin, Mademoiselle de Montpensir gave a first-hand account of that actually took place at the birth of that child...smh...
Many people are not aware that it was 'the vogue in Europe of the day for high and wealthy personages to have African mistresses.' There also were 'high and wealthy personages' of the female persuasion who took male African lovers...
quotes taken from Ivan van Sertima's African Presence in Early Europe, pages 209, 211
ijs....
Posted by Fruity Reed (Member # 15917) on :
My ignorance slaps me in the face everyday but believe me I am learning. Man o Man am I learning.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: It got dem big lips and wide-ish Negroes are noted for.
Mother:
Father:
He got black in him, gyal..he does..
That is why he got music in him.
You know the answer already but just goofing around like a Dunce-cat...
Read Brada Anansi below:
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: [QB] A whiteman carrying around African and Middleeastern genetic stuff needn't look anything like his fore bearers.
Some futher reasons why the concept of race is bull-sh!t..
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: According to your God Ripley, "Aurignacian 'Negroids' formed the Mediterranean race". Here read:
Any more questions?
That is a page sample from 'Ancient hunters and their modern representatives' by William Johnson Sollas (1915).
Ripley never wrote/supported what you have posted, and secondly you have confused ..blah..blah..blah..
Retard
Put up or shut up!
Face reality! This is the history of Black Britain:
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Mechta man is described (p. 18) and Collie describes the first bearers of Aurignacian culture in Africa as a breed possibly of Mousterian and Negroid or some other parentage.
quote:Collie, supporting his views with testimony from Breuil and Obermaier, leans toward an African origin of the European Aurignacian culture and is inclined to agree that a pre-Aurignacian, or pre-Capsian, race seems to have come from Africa.
quote:Furthermore (p. 8), Goodwin pictures the culture of Capsian man of north Africa, and draws inferences of his physical appearance from paintings in the caves of Spain. In connection with the Capsian culture, Goodwin notes the introduction of the bow and arrow into Europe, the clothing of men and women, the physical trait of steatopygy (large buttocks), the beginning of ceramics, and the piercing of large stones to serve as weights for digging sticks.
quote:We now know that our own south African Bushfolk are culturally the same as these long-dead north Africans who spread into Southern Europe. Whether or not they are physically the same is so far impossible to say. His culture, however, can be traced in east Africa and Uganda, and reappears in the Union over the whole of the central portion. The technique of the 'Bushman' paintings is identical with the technique of Spain, the materials used are the same, the same attitudes are seen, and the same disposition to depict action rather than objects.
-Source book for African anthropology (1937) by Wilfrid Dyson Hambly
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Duffy. Dub, black ;eac, an individual. A black person.
-Family names from the Irish, Anglo-Saxon, Anglo-Norman and Scotch considered in relation to their etymology (1892) by Thomas G. Gentry
quote:In the course of his paper he observed— ' In looking over the books, he was surprised to find a statement, not one, but many, in proof of the allegation that the Irish tongue had been spoken, and was still understood, in Africa. Of these, he would mention two— one was, that an Irish-speaking person penetrated through Africa, even to Ashantee, being thoroughly understood, and the other in which an African without any European education was able to read Irish manuscripts, and to converse with Irish-speaking people in this country
-Ereuna : or, An Investigation of the Etymons of words and names, classical and scriptural, through the medium of Celtic, together with some remarks on Hebraeo-Celtic affinities (1875) by Celtophile
quote:Nemedius, it seems, was not permitted to enjoy his new kingdom very long, when his peace was disturbed by a warlike race of giants which swarmed over from Africa. Those savage sea-kings, called Fomorians, were, according to the legend, men of enormous size and strength, who *'lived by piracy and spoil of other nations, and were in those days very troublesome to the whole world.
-Ireland and her people; a library of Irish biography, together with a popular history of ancient and modern Erin (1909) by Thomas W.H. Fitzgerald
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Mr. E. R. Hodges also declares that " before the dawn of history overspread Assyria and Mesopotamia, Media and Etruria were the earliest colonists of Britain, Spain, Italy and India." In short, the black Dravidian races are considered as having preceded the whole European family of nations; peopling Asia Minor, Armenia, the country of the Caucasus and Asiatic Ethiopia west of the Indus, as well as France, Spain and the British islands, long before the Semitic and Aryan nations had appeared on the surface of history.
-Serpent and Siva worship and mythology, in Central America, Africa, and Asia. And The origin of serpent worship. Two treatises (1877) by Hyde Clarke, C. Staniland Wake
quote:Is it possible to associate the Fomorians with the Phoenicians, whose explorers are believed on excellent grounds to have supplied the Greeks with the earliest description of Ireland that we possess?
quote:Like the Fomorians, the Phoenicians were Africans; they were sometimes pirates; and they were the first people to visit Erin of whom authentic history has any record.
quote:In Brut y Tywysogion (the Chronicle of the Princes) the arrival of of the " black Normans," or Northmen, is recorded under the date 890. These were Danes.
quote:An ancient Irish poet alludes to the "Danes of the black ships," which seems to add force to the suggestion that the Danes affected a dark colour as a distinguishing mark from the Norwegians. And Saxo Grammaticus writes about " black men," who, as the context shows, must have been Scandinavian rovers
-The races of Ireland and Scotland (1916) by W. C. Mackenzie
quote: These people were chiefly Cushites, children of Cush, or Ethiopians, who over-ran Egypt, and conquered the former inhabitants of that country. Others, under the generic name of " Ammonites," occupied the principal islands of the Aegean Sea, also Sardinia, Crete, and Cyprus, apparently extending their journeying into the Isles of Britain, where the ancient Druids showed evident traces of Ammonite ancestry in the doctrines they taught, as far as they can be ascertained, and the religious rites which they practised
-Secret Sects of Syria and the Lebanon (1922) by Bernard H. Springett
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:The Hamitic type, it appears, blends on all sides with that of the neighboring peoples, so that it is difficult to decide where the Hamite ends and the Negro begins.
-Preadamites; or, A demonstration of the existence of men before Adam (1880) by Alexander Winchell
quote:The name Ham signifies the Sun-burnt, and the term Aithiopes, applied by the Greeks to all dark races, has the same meaning. The Aithiopes are therefore the Hamites, or rather the Cushites, a family of the Hamites, the most remote of mankind in the Homeric system of geography,
-Poseidôn: a link between Semite, Hamite, and Aryan (1872) By Robert Brown
quote:We thus get a conception of a vast Hamitic empire existing in prehistoric, Neolithic times, whose several nationalities were centered in Mesopotamia, Canaan, Egypt, north-western Africa, Iberia, Greece, Italy, Sicily, Sardinia, and central Europe — an intelligent and powerful ethnic family, the first of the Adamites to emerge into historic light, but with the record of its achievements buried in a gloom almost as dense as that which covers the ruder population that the Hamites everywhere displaced. To this family, chiefly, are to be traced the dark complexions of the nations and tribes still dwelling around all the shores of the Mediterranean.
-The North American review (1884) By Jared Sparks, Edward Everett, James Russell Lowell, Henry Cabot Lodge
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
^ None of those sources help you, because what you are doing is quote mining or distorting these authors views.
You think you are clever for digging up works written by 19th century white scholars, so if someone accuses you of being an Afrocentric, you can then cite those authorities. Seen it all before. Fact is, i have far more sources from the same time period and own most of the original prints (many what you have posted here). Instead, you are just quoting-mining these works from archive.org. You get one quote and then distort it, for example 19th century anthropological sources describing the Iberians as 'dark' you then twist to imply a Negroid affinity, when in reality everyone knows the Iberian people are Mediterrenean Caucasoid.
Caucasoids can be swarthy/dark (olive) skinned. Your sources on aboriginal populations of Europe being dark, just identifies them as being of the Mediterranid division... not sure why you think this is something new.
The fact Caucasoids can have brownish skin debunks your afrocentrism which is why instead you cling to the 'Diop-euphemism' mentality which argues brown/mediterrenean/swarthy/olive are ''codenames'' for Negro/black people - when in reality they aren't. The Negroid race was stuck living in mud huts in sub-sahara africa until european colonisation. Every Afrocentric knows this historical truth, so out of insecurity and self-hate tries to cluster themselves with other races: Indians, Australoids, Mediterreneans etc.
A spade doesn't ever want to be a spade... you would rather die clinging to a fantasy that your race is something it isn't. I'm presuming you cluster australoids, indians etc as Negro/Black? Am i right?
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Mauritania: stan of the Moors, dark people = Nigritia: Negro land, Soudan of the Arabs = Caramania
-Personal and family names; a popular monograph on the origin and history of the nomenclature of the present and former times (1883) by Harry Alfred Long
quote:Lamoriciere, Maurice, Morriss: of Moorish descent. From Maurice the isle Mauritius.
-Personal and family names; a popular monograph on the origin and history of the nomenclature of the present and former times (1883) by Harry Alfred Long
quote:(A.-Fr.-Lat.-Gr.) MOOR (Native of N. Africa) ; OF DARK COMPLEXION [Fr.More, Maure, Lat. Maur-us, Gr. MaO/j-os, a Moor]
quote:MORIN (A.-Fr.-Lat.-Gr.) Moor; Dark-Com- plexioned [Fr. More (v. Moor(e)2 + the dim. suff. -/«]
quote:MORELL [M.E. O.Fr. morel{l; O.Fr. More, Moor, black man + the dim. suff. -el (Lat. -ell-us) ', Lat. Maur-us, Gr. MaO/j-os, a Moor : cp. Fr. moreau, m., morelle, f., very black
-Surnames of the United Kingdom: a concise etymological dictionary (1912) by Henry Harrison
quote:Mor, Moor , Dark
SIMPLE FORMS
Old German Maur, Mauri, Mor, Moro, Mora, Moor, 6th cent. Eng. More, Morey, Maury, Morrow, Moore. Mod Germ. Mohr. French. Maur, Maurey, More, Moreau.
quote:Yet if there were names derived from the Huns,I do not quite see why not from the Moors, whose name must have been familiar to most of the German peoples. At the same time, it will perhaps be safer to take the more general sense of dark or swarthy complexion.
-The Teutonic name-system applied to the family names of France, England, and Germany (1864) by Robert Ferguson
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ None of those sources help you, because what you are doing is quote mining or distorting these authors views.
You think you are clever for digging up works written by 19th century white scholars, so if someone accuses you of being an Afrocentric, you can then cite those authorities. blah..blah..blah.. whinne..whinnne..whinnning....?
Retard
Put up or shut up! My God what a slaughter you are getting from my boy FunkCity1000. Destruction of the pink ass retard clown called Cashitty....
Awwwwgh, that hurts, that hurts... LMBAO Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ None of those sources help you, because what you are doing is quote mining or distorting these authors views.
You think you are clever for digging up works written by 19th century white scholars, so if someone accuses you of being an Afrocentric, you can then cite those authorities. Seen it all before. Fact is, i have far more sources from the same time period and own most of the original prints (many what you have posted here). Instead, you are just quoting-mining these works from archive.org. You get one quote and then distort it, for example 19th century anthropological sources describing the Iberians as 'dark' you then twist to imply a Negroid affinity, when in reality everyone knows the Iberian people are Mediterrenean Caucasoid.
Caucasoids can be swarthy/dark (olive) skinned. Your sources on aboriginal populations of Europe being dark, just identifies them as being of the Mediterranid division... not sure why you think this is something new.
The fact Caucasoids can have brownish skin debunks your afrocentrism which is why instead you cling to the 'Diop-euphemism' mentality which argues brown/mediterrenean/swarthy/olive are ''codenames'' for Negro/black people - when in reality they aren't. The Negroid race was stuck living in mud huts in sub-sahara africa until european colonisation. Every Afrocentric knows this historical truth, so out of insecurity and self-hate tries to cluster themselves with other races: Indians, Australoids, Mediterreneans etc.
A spade doesn't ever want to be a spade... you would rather die clinging to a fantasy that your race is something it isn't. I'm presuming you cluster australoids, indians etc as Negro/Black? Am i right?
You are claiming that I use "afrocentric diop-euphenisms" yet you admit that my SOURCES are from 19TH CENTURY WHITE SCHOLARS!!! LOL!!!
How is it possible for me to "distort" information when I'm QUOTING VERBATIM!!!
You admit that "Caucasians" can have "brown skin"...lol
quote: It should be understood by the reader that by the term Hamite, we do not necessarily mean people of black complexion, but those tribes whose language is represented by the ancient Egyptian, a people undoubtedly of brown and swarthy, and sometimes black colour, with European or Aryan features.
-The Races of the old world (1863) by Charles Loring Brace
Scholars in the 19th century had to somehow "explain" themselves and invented the whole "Aryan" myth to inject a hypothetical "white race" into Africa. They included black skinned East Africans into the "white race" because some groups had supposedly "European"(ie. white) features...
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: . .
ORIGIN OF NAME STUART AS IN HOUSE OF STUART OF SCOTLAND AS ARE THE MONARCHS ON THIS PAGE: Note the ball of woolly hair and in Mary's case, like balls of wool. Note the big, wide noses of James I and James V.
There is another old word used by the Anglo-Saxons to denote black or brown-black the word sweart. The personal names Suart and Sueart may have been derived from this word, and may have originally denoted people of a dark-brown or black complexion. Some names of this kind are mentioned in the Domesday record of Buckinghamshire and Lincolnshire. ________________________________________ IN: -Origin of the Anglo-Saxon race : a study of the settlement of England and the tribal origin of the Old English people(1906) by Thomas William Shore
..... .
And now ladies and gentlemen, dreadlocks and baldies, building on the work of the great Marc Washington and others like Egmond Codfried, Mike111 and Clyde Winters (and others like Malibudusul, Funkcity1000), we present to you all King James IV and I of Scotland and England. Another black king of Scotland:
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:A spade doesn't ever want to be a spade... you would rather die clinging to a fantasy that your race is something it isn't. I'm presuming you cluster australoids, indians etc as Negro/Black? Am i right?
ERR..yoo hoo...
quote:It would seem from numerous passages in the Rig-Veda that Kutsa was a powerful warrior and a mighty destroyer of the black aborigines.
quote:Thus we are told that the god Indra, in order to bestow wealth on Kutsa, slew the " Dasyu, who is wily and impious"; that he helped Kutsa and came to his house with the object of slaying the Dasyu; and that he slew fifty thousand "black-complexioned enemies " in battle.
- History of India ([c1906-07]) by A.V. Williams Jackson, Romesh Chunder Dutt, Vincent Arthur Smith, etc.
quote:From the moment the Aryans set foot in India they were strenuously opposed by the aborigines of the country, who were then a powerful well-organised race, living under a social system of great antiquity; they were governed by recognised rulers, some of whom possessed strong forts and had amassed considerable wealth. These aborigines are frequently referred to in Vedic writings as the black-skinned, vile, noseless, sullen, and despised people, who nevertheless fought with great courage for their lands and homes
-Origin and Character of the British People (1900) by Nottidge Charles MacNamara
quote: My desire, to-night, is not so much to describe the Papuans and Negrittos as they at present exist or have existed in Papua, Melanesia, Australia, Tasmania, Ceram, the Philippines, Sulu Islands, Borneo, the Sunda Chain, and in the Andamans, as to point out a few facts which lead me to suppose that these races once occupied a very much wider area than they do at present, being closely connected at a remote epoch with the black races of Africa on the west, and even reaching as far as America on the east; besides forming, very possibly, the aboriginal population of, at any rate, Southern Asia.
-The Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland (1879) By Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: And now ladies and gentlemen, dreadlocks and baldies, building on the work of the great Marc Washington and others like Egmond Codfried, Mike111 and Clyde Winters (and others like Malibudusul, Funkcity1000), we present to you all King James IV and I of Scotland and England. Another black king of Scotland:
And now ladies and gentlemen in color:
I see black people
I see more black people
I see yet more black people Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: And now ladies and gentlemen, dreadlocks and baldies, building on the work of the great Marc Washington and others like Egmond Codfried, Mike111 and Clyde Winters (and others like Malibudusul, Funkcity1000), we present to you all King James IV and I of Scotland and England. Another black king of Scotland:
And now ladies and gentlemen the same painting in color:
I see black people
I see more black people
Good catch.lol
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:The origin of this dark element in the Welsh is to be explained, as everyone will have anticipated, by reference to the famous passage by Tacitus, which has been worn threadbare by ethnologists. Tacitus tells us that the ancient British tribe of Silures—a tribe inhabiting what is now Glamorganshire, Monmouthshire, Herefordshire, and parts at least of Brecknockshire and Radnor—had a swarthy complexion, mostly with curly hair
quote:Long before coal came into use there was the same tendency to nigrescence among the Welsh. This may be seen, as Dr. Nicholas has pointed out, in the bardic names preserved in ancient Welsh records, where the cognomen of du, or ' black,' very frequently occurs. Thus, in the ' Myvyrian Archaiology of Wales,' between A.d. 1280 and 1330, there are registered four ' blacks ' to one ' red' and one' grey'—namely, Gwilym Ddu, Llywelyn Ddu, Goronwy Ddu, and Dafydd Ddu.3
-Report of the annual meeting, Volume 1880 By British Association for the Advancement of Science. Meeting, British Association for the Advancement of Science
quote:The Moor has given names to families in all the three kingdoms. With us they have enjoyed our usual license of spelling, but the origin and sense of the word is the same whether it is spelt as the good Sir Thomas More used it, or like the Irish Anacreon, Moore, or our antique Scotch Muir.
-Concerning some Scotch surnames (1860) by Cosmo Innes
quote:MOORE, MORRIS
The other Morrices are supposed to be of Moorish blood; their progenitors having come over from Africa, by way of Spain, into various countries of western Europe at an early period. It is a well-known fact that the particular species of saltation, called the morricedance, and several branches of magic lore, were introduced into these regions many centuries since by natives of Morocco.
-English surnames: An essay on family nomenclature, historical, etymological, and humorous; with several illustrative appendices, Volume 1(1849) by Mark Antony Lower
quote:MORRIS
One section of the foreign class had a Moorish origin, as indeed the name expresses, and crossed over from Africa to Europe by way of Spain, whence were introduced into England, and other European countries,
-Patronymica Britannica. A dictionary of the family names of the United Kingdom; (1860) by Mark Antony Lower
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: And now ladies and gentlemen, dreadlocks and baldies, building on the work of the great Marc Washington and others like Egmond Codfried, Mike111 and Clyde Winters (and others like Malibudusul, Funkcity1000), we present to you all King James IV and I of Scotland and England. Another black king of Scotland:
And now ladies and gentlemen in color:
I see black people
I see more black people
I see yet more black people
Clown..lol!
We are aware of that. That is James I of Scotland.
We are dealing with James IV of Scotland, Duncey.
James IV of Scotland later became James I of England also. His royal name was James IV and I of Scotland and England.
James I of Scotland is not James IV and I of Scotland and England. Two different people. Duncey, is that clear now? LMBAO @ the Dunce cat..
Back to topic.
You just need to explain why there are black depictions of James IV and I and other European monarchs.
There are no white depictions of Chaka the Zulu. You understand?
But there are black depictions of King James IV and I, and hundreds of other Scottish, English and German Kings. Why?
Explain to me, if you can, the mystery of the black kings of Scotland.
Lion!
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: And now ladies and gentlemen, dreadlocks and baldies, building on the work of the great Marc Washington and others like Egmond Codfried, Mike111 and Clyde Winters (and others like Malibudusul, Funkcity1000), we present to you all King James IV and I of Scotland and England. Another black king of Scotland:
And now ladies and gentlemen the same painting in color:
I see black people
I see more black people
Good catch.lol
Simpleton
That is why you get duped. You are wide but narrow. No depth.
When you have to rely on a dunce-cat like Lionese as your guide and authority, then you are really in a pathetic state.
More materials on Irish and Scottish Muurs are on the way...
Lion!
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: . .
ORIGIN OF NAME STUART AS IN HOUSE OF STUART OF SCOTLAND AS ARE THE MONARCHS ON THIS PAGE: Note the ball of woolly hair and in Mary's case, like balls of wool. Note the big, wide noses of James I and James V.
There is another old word used by the Anglo-Saxons to denote black or brown-black the word sweart. The personal names Suart and Sueart may have been derived from this word, and may have originally denoted people of a dark-brown or black complexion. Some names of this kind are mentioned in the Domesday record of Buckinghamshire and Lincolnshire. ________________________________________ IN: -Origin of the Anglo-Saxon race : a study of the settlement of England and the tribal origin of the Old English people(1906) by Thomas William Shore
..... .
And now ladies and gentlemen, dreadlocks and baldies, building on the work of the great Marc Washington and others like Egmond Codfried, Mike111 and Clyde Winters (and others like Malibudusul, Funkcity1000), we present to you all King James IV and I of Scotland and England. Another black king of Scotland:
King James IV and I of Scotland and England
Another perspective.
Just stare at his hair for 5 seconds....
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
quote:And now ladies and gentlemen, dreadlocks and baldies, building on the work of the great Marc Washington and others like Egmond Codfried, Mike111 and Clyde Winters (and others like Malibudusul, Funkcity1000), we present to you all King James IV and I of Scotland and England. Another black king of Scotland:
The great works of these jerks?lol
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: . .
ORIGIN OF NAME STUART AS IN HOUSE OF STUART OF SCOTLAND AS ARE THE MONARCHS ON THIS PAGE: Note the ball of woolly hair and in Mary's case, like balls of wool. Note the big, wide noses of James I and James V.
There is another old word used by the Anglo-Saxons to denote black or brown-black the word sweart. The personal names Suart and Sueart may have been derived from this word, and may have originally denoted people of a dark-brown or black complexion. Some names of this kind are mentioned in the Domesday record of Buckinghamshire and Lincolnshire. ________________________________________ IN: -Origin of the Anglo-Saxon race : a study of the settlement of England and the tribal origin of the Old English people(1906) by Thomas William Shore
..... .
And now ladies and gentlemen, dreadlocks and baldies, building on the work of the great Marc Washington and others like Egmond Codfried, Mike111 and Clyde Winters (and others like Malibudusul, Funkcity1000), we present to you all King James IV and I of Scotland and England. Another black king of Scotland:
King James IV and I of Scotland and England
Another perspective.
Just stare at his hair for 5 seconds....
Elizabeth of Bohemia
Daughter of King James IV and I
Any doubts?
Even in her whiten picture, you can yet see her African hair.
The hair again. That "negroid" hair... Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Scoto-Norman
The term Scoto-Norman (also Scotto-Norman, Franco-Scottish or Franco-Gaelic) is used to described people, families, institutions and archaeological artifacts that are partly Scottish (in some sense) and partly Norman (in some sense)....
It is used to refer to people or things of Norman, Anglo-Norman, French or even Flemish or Breton origin, that became associated with Scotland in the Middle Ages.
Over time, several lowland clans intermarried with Normans who moved north, introducing Teutonic (Germanic) Norman family traditions and social structures into the native Gaelic traditions.
ORIGIN OF NAME STUART AS IN HOUSE OF STUART OF SCOTLAND AS ARE THE MONARCHS ON THIS PAGE: Note the ball of woolly hair and in Mary's case, like balls of wool. Note the big, wide noses of James I and James V.
There is another old word used by the Anglo-Saxons to denote black or brown-black the word sweart. The personal names Suart and Sueart may have been derived from this word, and may have originally denoted people of a dark-brown or black complexion. Some names of this kind are mentioned in the Domesday record of Buckinghamshire and Lincolnshire. ________________________________________ IN: -Origin of the Anglo-Saxon race : a study of the settlement of England and the tribal origin of the Old English people(1906) by Thomas William Shore
..... .
And now ladies and gentlemen, dreadlocks and baldies, building on the work of the great Marc Washington and others like Egmond Codfried, Mike111 and Clyde Winters (and others like Malibudusul, Funkcity1000), we present to you all King James IV and I of Scotland and England. Another black king of Scotland:
King James IV and I of Scotland and England
Another perspective.
Just stare at his hair for 5 seconds....
Elizabeth of Bohemia
Daughter of King James IV and I
Any doubts?
Even in her whiten picture, you can yet see her African hair.
The hair again. That "negroid" hair...
Honey, keep up the goodwork. We are actually doing something for Blacks by linking our minds. Why, Elizabeth of Bohemia was just a regular black girl, she has nothing on Michelle Obama or Oprah Winfrey. Just Black, thank you. Now the whites were the outcast, poor chaps, used as shoe leather. Please do not get bogged down on this important find: the nobility was Black, some with classical afrian facial traits which stood for pure blood. blue blood.
Do not delute this find, there were no rival white kings, there was no goddam genocide. Blacks dominated and civilised whites, and that why they act so crazy towards blacks today.
European blacks were frightened into biological assimilation, to marry fair looking people. But brother Van Gogh still found a Black farmer family in 1885 to paint his first formal portraits The Patato Eaters, while his brother married a dark skinned wife.
Posted by MBAMA (Member # 6729) on :
had me in teas. looked like he borrowed his dome piece from hrm Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Elizabeth, Koningin van Bohemen, dochter van James I Stuart, tante van The Black Boy, Charles II Stuart.
Charles II Stuart
Anne of Denmark, de moeder van Elizabeth van Bohemen
IronLion, you made me very happy with this coin of Elizabeth of Bohemia. I have been reading about the Stuarts a great deal. She and her family landed in The Hague, my town, after being kicked out of Bohemia. Their sons misbehaving, running up debts at the shops without paying. These persons were Blacks, but they were not nice people at all. This reserach shows why whites hate Blacks today. For this we need to find out how the system of Black superiority ended. The whites really fought long and hard for their freedom.
Two hairstyles common during the Elizabethan era were the rat and frizzed styles, both using the hair from the ears forward. Rats, hairpieces so named because they mimicked the shape of rodents, were pads of hair rolled in a woman's natural hair and attached above the forehead, adding volume and creating a heart-shaped frame around the face. The frizzed style framed the face with a mass of frizzy curls, accomplished with the use of hot irons. Both the rat and frizzed styles accompanied buns and head coverings and often featured ornaments of jewels or pearls. Part of the renaissance costume was the hairstyles which were generally short for men and frizzy swept up look in a headdress called ‘snood’ covering the hair with a wire forming a heart-shaped style for women. "Negroid hair"
ELIZABETH OF BOHEMIA in one of her non-frizzed styles
lioness debunk #43
I see black people
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:These earliest settlers were mainly of the Mediterranean Race, Hamitic in origin, and are a relic of an early invasion from North Africa which gave the human race a new start, while at the same time gathering up the relics of the paleolithic peoples. Of this type were the short dark Silures of South Wales, representatives of at least one phase of this migration ; and the fact that in spite of numerous invasions we tend to revert almost uniformly to the dark longheaded type indicates how important is the Hamitic substratum in our islands.
quote:Modern man appeared in North Africa about 15,000 B.C. and was distinguished by the culture called Capsian. Invading Europe at several periods he appears to have swallowed up various remnants of the Paheanthropic period, notably Grimaldi and Combe Capelle man. All three types were long-headed, that is, their skulls were long from back to front. Grimaldi man belonged to Western Europe, was prognathous and negroid and may account for small dark types in Apulia and Sardinia, while he probably formed the basis of the South Welsh
quote:It is therefore to Africa, or let us say the Mediterranean region, that we have to look for the origin of our vocabulary.
-Racial Origins of English Character(1926) by Robert Noel Bradley
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Recent discoveries made in the vicinity of the principality of Monaco, and others in Italy and Western France—all of them analysed in the monograph on the skulls found in the grottoes of Grimaldi, edited by Dr. Verneaux, of Paris, and published in 1909 by the Prince of Monaco—would seem to reveal, even if some of their deductions are discounted and a few statements regarded as erroneous, the actual fact that many thousand years ago a negroid race had penetrated through Italy into France, leaving traces at the present day in the physiognomy of the peoples of Southern Italy, Sicily, Sardinia, Southern and Western France, and even in the western parts of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. There are even at the present day some examples of the Keltiberian peoples of Western Scotland, Southern and Western Wales, Southern and Western Ireland, of distinctly negroid aspect, and in whose ancestry there is no indication whatever of any connection with the West Indies or with modern Africa. Still more marked is this feature in the peoples of Southern and Western France and of the other parts of the Mediterranean already mentioned. There is a strong negroid element in the south of Spain and the south of Portugal, but we are not entitled in default of other evidence to assume that this is due to such an ancient negroid immigration as seems to be indicated in France and Italy.
quote: The nigrescence, therefore, of Europe, Asia, North Africa, and Oceania may be due to the negro, who in many other respects is the opposite pole to the white man.
-THE MODERN CONSCIENCE IN RELATION TO RACIAL QUESTIONS {THE NEGRO AND THE AMERICAN INDIAN)THE WORLD-POSITION OF THE NEGRO AND NEGROID by Sir Harry H. Johnston (taken from the Papers on inter-racial problems: communicated to the first Universal Races Congress, held at the University of London, July 26-29, 1911, Volume 1 edited by Gustav Spiller)
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
^ How do some of these quotes help you?
Mediterreneanoids/Hamites are Caucasoid.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: "Negroid hair"
That's not Negroid hair.
Negroid hair texture is ulotrichous, wooly.
Elizabeth's hair was curly. There is a difference between wooly and curly.
Curly under anthropological definition falls under cymotrichous, wavy.
see diagram -
Curly hair falls under cymotrichous, not ulotrichous.
Negroids have wooly hair, not curly. Take a look at the hair texture diagram above which shows the difference.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
closer look at Elizabeth of Bohemia's hair:
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ How do some of these quotes help you?
Mediterreneanoids/Hamites are Caucasoid.
errr...you make absolutely no sense. exactly what and/or who is a "hamitic mediterreneanoid caucasian"?
What language(s) did that speak? Where did this group of people originate?
I guess you are attempting to claim that these people were of the "white race" the exact same way racist scholars/historians categorized extremely dark skinned Africans as members of the "white race"...
quote:The bulk of the Semitic and Hamitic-speaking peoples are put by ethnologists with the Aryans among the Caucasian group of races. They are "white."
-The outline of history: being a plain history of life and mankind, Volume 1(1920)by Herbert Jones Wells
quote:That portion of Eastern Africa which bears the name of Abyssinia contains several tribes, speaking different languages. These tribes are ranked by many ethnologists as belonging to the White Race,and their complexion, though darker invariably than that of the European, is fairer than that of the Negro. Their hair, which is generally frizzled, their lips usually thick, and their nose less flat than that of the Negro, are so many characteristics which assign to them a place intervening between the Black and the White Races. These tribes doubtless spring from a union of black inhabitants, aborigines of the country, with the Orientals who conquered them.
quote: Abyssinians.
Most authors place this people in the White Race and the Semitic family
-The human race ([1875]) by Louis Figuier
Your "hamitic mediterreneanoid caucasian" is a "NEGRO"...plain and simple...
quote:Broadly speaking, his theory of the Mediterranean Race is as follows : Leaving out of the question the most ancient palaeolithic inhabitants of Europe, this continent was peopled in neolithic times by a long-headed (dolichocephalic) folk who to this day form the substratum of the population. The old Stone Age man belongs to the river-drift, and to conditions, climatic and other, which set him apart. Neolithic man is associated with the Long Barrow, with pottery of a definite class, flint and stone implements of an advanced type, and with dolmens, menhirs, round towers, and particular forms of tombs. Whence did this man come? All indications point to an African origin, and, whereas relationship can still be traced between this early population and the peoples now stretching from the Canaries to Somaliland, so the common ancestral home of the race has been placed, though there is no unanimity as to the exact locality, at the head-waters of the Nile, or at least somewhere south of the Sahara. This people is supposed to have crossed over into Europe by various points—Gibraltar, Malta, and Sicily, the Greek islands, and Asia Minor— and spread over the whole continent as far as our own islands and Scandinavia.
-Malta and the Mediterranean race(1912)by Robert Noël Bradley
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: "Negroid hair"
That's not Negroid hair.
Negroid hair texture is ulotrichous, wooly.
Elizabeth's hair was curly. There is a difference between wooly and curly.
Curly under anthropological definition falls under cymotrichous, wavy.
see diagram -
Curly hair falls under cymotrichous, not ulotrichous.
Negroids have wooly hair, not curly. Take a look at the hair texture diagram above which shows the difference.
Khoisan are Capoid, not Negroid. Secondly as i already told you, the Capoid woman you show has artificial hair. Look at her coiled/wooly hair roots.
Negroids are strickly wooly haired.
Most black people however hate their afro's or 'nappy hair' and crave wavy-straight hair like whites. Its why Chris Rock did a documentary on hair which exposed how an industry in america worth 4 billion dollars was set up so black woman can artificially straighten their afros - since they crave straight hair like white woman.
Still look hideous... And their hair still looks artificial.
please go here to learn more:
Racial Psychology: Why Do Black People Want to be White?
Very few pure-blooded Hamites exist today, but you can easily see their Caucasoid input to East Africans -
60% of East African DNA is Eurasian (Caucasoid).
Only 40% is Sub-Saharan African (Negroid).
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Friends, do you see how these people are strangely fixated on craniometry. Snowdon gives several features the Classical Greeks used to recognize Classical Blacks. But they were aware of variations and ad-mixtures. The people here have a strange fixed idea of how a Black person should look, and are forever milling these hair-splitting definitions. So if Elizabeth of Bohemia did not run around in afro and dashiki: who the **** cares?
Woolly hair black complexion thick lips broad nose broad flat face barrel chested pendulous breast narrow hipped bandy legged flat feet
And why this strange fixation on the details of images we already have shown to be whitened for aesthetic or propagandistic reasons. They are not snapshots, and we have already shown how even snapshots cannot be trusted.
To the people who matter, the Princes on this forum who are really out to liberate Blacks from white supremacy hell; already understand that the European elite was brown and black. It was not a craniometry contest to satisfy idiotic twenty-first century whites, in who is really Black and who is not.
The European nobility identified as Black and superior against the whites they ruled. Anyone born among their circle was superior, they did not go out to first measure their noses or appraise the kinkiness of their hair. If they were born from nobles, they were nobles.
Is this an American thing, brainwashed so their brains can only digest certain things? From Surinam I have noticed that a little admixture already can make hair less frizzy. There are also whites with extreme frizzy hair. But we are really not aiming a hypo descent here, which would be silly: but studying historical person who self-identified as Blacks. Walked around with golden batches showing glorious images of Moors.
James Earl Jones has Classical Africa facial traits but very fair complexion. He reminds me of these Olmec heads. But is their any doubt he is Black, because of his fairness. So why all the fuss if the hair is not shown as 100% kinky?
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000: Not all "Negroids" have woolly hair...
Khoisan are Capoid, not Negroid. Secondly as i already told you, the Capoid woman you show has artificial hair. Look at her coiled/wooly hair roots.
Negroids are strickly wooly haired.
LMAO....just when you think you've said something so idiotic its utterly chilling...you proceed to make more ignorant statements that are beyond reproach...
quote:Most black people however hate their afro's or 'nappy hair' and crave wavy-straight hair like whites. Its why Chris Rock did a documentary on hair which exposed how an industry in america worth 4 billion dollars was set up so black woman can artificially straighten their afros - since they crave straight hair like white woman.
Still look hideous... And their hair still looks artificial.
please go here to learn more:
Racial Psychology: Why Do Black People Want to be White?
Very few pure-blooded Hamites exist today, but you can easily see their Caucasoid input to East Africans -
60% of East African DNA is Eurasian (Caucasoid).
Only 40% is Sub-Saharan African (Negroid).
So your wikipedia source states that "afroasiatic" is a group of LANGUAGES...then you toss out some crazy "eurasian" DNA statement...
You also state that this alleged "caucasoid" somehow "moved into North Africa"...where did they move from? Where is the ORIGIN of their genus/tribe?
So I guess I was correct in my statement that you are trying to claim some type of "white" origin to Europe. The picture you present is a black skinned man of the "white race"...LOL.
I guess this black skinned "white" man is a fine example of the "fair" skinned Gaels who came to Scotland after the NEGROID aboriginals...
This black skinned "white" man that you purport as being a "hamitic afroasiatic mediterroid caucasoid eurasian" is the same "Aryan" or "Nordic" that your kind attempt to link as the proto-typical "white man"...LOL
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:There is, therefore, nothing strange in the fact that some human groups, differing widely in other respects, should resemble each other in the matter of colour. This is the reason why the Hindu (Aryan), the Bishares [Beja, a Hamite race north of Abyssinia] and the Moor (Semitic), although belonging to the white race, assume the same, and even a darker hue than the true negro. It also explains the fact that the colour of the negro approximates in certain cases to that of peoples belonging to the white stock, who are more or less of a brown colour, or assumes a hue which exactly recalls that of the yellow races.(p. 259)
-The Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland (1880) Vol. 9
(they are consulting racial studies from 1880)
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:There is, therefore, nothing strange in the fact that some human groups, differing widely in other respects, should resemble each other in the matter of colour. This is the reason why the Hindu (Aryan), the Bishares [Beja, a Hamite race north of Abyssinia] and the Moor (Semitic), although belonging to the white race, assume the same, and even a darker hue than the true negro. It also explains the fact that the colour of the negro approximates in certain cases to that of peoples belonging to the white stock, who are more or less of a brown colour, or assumes a hue which exactly recalls that of the yellow races.(p. 259)
-The Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland (1880) Vol. 9
The Beja are 30% Caucasoid. Hence on average they have thinner noses and lips.
Again all repeatedly confimed by modern genetic studies.
It is not ''oudated 19th century racist science'' proving many africans have Caucasoid admixture, but modern genetic studies.
As science progresses it is crushing afrocentrism.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000: So your wikipedia source states that "afroasiatic" is a group of LANGUAGES...then you toss out some crazy "eurasian" DNA statement...
Afroasiatic originated in Asia. It was taken to Africa by Eurasian (Caucasoid) settlers.
Negroids (Sub-Saharan Africans) do not speak Afroasiatic, Caucasoids however do.
quote:You also state that this alleged "caucasoid" somehow "moved into North Africa"...where did they move from? Where is the ORIGIN of their genus/tribe?
Caucasoids moved into North Africa from the Mediterranean around 15,000 years or more ago, they were the Mechtoids, closely morphologically related to Cro-Magnon. Mechtoid crania has thin nasal holes and no prognathism, they were Caucasoid.
Badarian, prehistoric Nubian crania etc is all Caucasoid. Look up the Iberomaurusian and Caspian cultures. Those were not indigenous cultures but came from the Mediterranean.
Caucasoids predate the Negroid arrival in North Africa by more than 10,000 years.
Negroids are a recent mutation -
"True" Black Africans appear as a recent adaptive radiation, apparently branching off from an ancestral Pygmy population — a line of ancestry also indicated by osteological data (Coon 1962:651-656; Watson et al. 1996). This radiation seems to have occurred somewhere in West Africa. Before the Bantu expansion about 3,000 years ago, true Black Africans were absent from the continent's central, eastern, and southern regions (Cavalli-Sforza 1986:361-362; Oliver 1966). They were also absent from the middle Nile until about 4,000 years ago, at which time they begin to appear in paintings from Pharaonic Egypt and in skeletal remains from Nubia (Junker 1921).
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That's why i laugh at Afrocentrics who argue that the white race is modern...
You have it the wrong way around.
Negroids are the recent mutation. You mutated from Pygmies in West Africa - which is why you have these features:
Thread here:
What causes black Africans to have grotesque features?
The Beja are 30% Caucasoid. Hence on average they have thinner noses and lips.
Again all repeatedly confimed by modern genetic studies.
It is not ''oudated 19th century racist science'' proving many africans have Caucasoid admixture, but modern genetic studies.
As science progresses it is crushing afrocentrism.
can you place name the genetic marker that isolates "thinner noses and lips" taken from "modern genetic studies"???
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:he genetic structure of 126 Ethiopian and 139 Senegalese Y chromosomes was investigated by a hierarchical analysis of 30 diagnostic biallelic markers selected from the worldwide Y-chromosome genealogy. The present study reveals that (1) only the Ethiopians share with the Khoisan the deepest human Y-chromosome clades (the African-specific Groups I and II) but with a repertoire of very different haplotypes; (2) most of the Ethiopians and virtually all the Senegalese belong to Group III, whose precursor is believed to be involved in the first migration out of Africa; and (3) the Ethiopian Y chromosomes that fall into Groups VI, VIII, and IX may be explained by back migrations from Asia. The first observation confirms the ancestral affinity between the Ethiopians and the Khoisan, which has previously been suggested by both archaeological and genetic findings.
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:(they are consulting racial studies from 1880)
quote:Phylogeographic analyses suggest that a large component of the present Khoisan gene pool is eastern African in origin and that Asia was the source of a back migration to sub-Saharan Africa
these people migrated out of Africa to Asia(and Europe)...and migrated back to Africa (as "Eurasians")and settled in what is now called south africa...and somehow became "Capoid"...
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000:
quote:(they are consulting racial studies from 1880)
quote:Afroasiatic originated in Asia. It was taken to Africa by Eurasian (Caucasoid) settlers.
quote:Phylogeographic analyses suggest that a large component of the present Khoisan gene pool is eastern African in origin and that Asia was the source of a back migration to sub-Saharan Africa
these people migrated out of Africa to Asia(and Europe)...and migrated back to Africa (as "Eurasians")and settled in what is now called south africa...and somehow became "Capoid"...
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000: So what is the other 70%?
Beja are 30% Eurasian (Caucasoid) and 70% Sub-Saharan African (Negroid).
Somali are 40% Eurasian (Caucasoid) and 60% Sub-Saharan African (Negroid).
East Africans are basically an intermediate race between black and white.
The user Perahu has posted modern genetic sources which show this. Even the hardcore afrocentrics on this forum have been forced to admit East Africans have a degree of Eurasian admixture.
De Stefano et al. 2002 -
''East African groups, such as Ethiopians and Somalis, have great genetic resemblance to Caucasians and are clearly intermediate between sub-Saharan Africans and Caucasians''
Poloni et al. 1997 -
''60% of the Ethiopian gene pool has an African origin, whereas ~40% is of Caucasoid derivation…''
East Africans have visibile Caucasoid features, because they have Caucasoid admixture.
This is why East Africans have thinner noses etc.
Spot the difference:
Somali (Caucasoid admixture)
Negroid (no Caucasoid admixture)
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000: LOL...Why do white people want to be black?
come on dude...you are allegeding that some mythical "white race" inhabited Africa and spread culture and civilisation but you are post pictures of a black skinned "caucasoid"(?)as an example of this mythical "white race"...
quote:Fair-skinned nations feel the need of clothing far more keenly than dark ones. The Africans are fully conscious of the advantages of their dark skin. We remember reading a statement of Adolf Bastian, that when he was bathing near some brown-skinned Asiatics, his own white skin appeared to him abnormal and by no means beautiful. Von Maltzan also says "Nudity was never displeasing to me if the skin was black, but in fair people it is always repulsive."
-The Races of Man and Their Geographical Distribution (1892) by Oscar Peschel
quote:The Hamitic type, it appears, blends on all sides with that of the neighboring peoples, so that it is difficult to decide where the Hamite ends and the Negro begins.
-Preadamites; or, A demonstration of the existence of men before Adam (1880) by Alexander Winchell
quote:The name of this son of Ham was (Mitzar). Throughout the tenth chapter of Genesis the names of the nations are given for the individuals who founded them., Mitz-rim or Mitzraim is the name, by which the country lying along the Nile is known in sacred writ. The name Egypt was given it at a late period by he Greeks. The inhabitants themselves called their land CHEMI, deriving it from CHAM; but what is most curious, and confirms my derivation of the name is this, that in their language CHAME, signifies "BLACK." In Hebrew we have (Chamah), "the Sun," and (Chamam), "to be hot."
-Hebrew characters derived from hieroglyphics (1835) by John Lamb
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000: So what is the other 70%?
Beja are 30% Eurasian (Caucasoid) and 70% Sub-Saharan African (Negroid).
Somali are 40% Eurasian (Caucasoid) and 60% Sub-Saharan African (Negroid).
East Africans are basically an intermediate race between black and white.
The user Perahu has posted modern genetic sources which show this. Even the hardcore afrocentrics on this forum have been forced to admit East Africans have a degree of Eurasian admixture.
De Stefano et al. 2002 -
''East African groups, such as Ethiopians and Somalis, have great genetic resemblance to Caucasians and are clearly intermediate between sub-Saharan Africans and Caucasians''
Poloni et al. 1997 -
''60% of the Ethiopian gene pool has an African origin, whereas ~40% is of Caucasoid derivation…''
East Africans have visibile Caucasoid features, because they have Caucasoid admixture.
This is why East Africans have thinner noses etc.
Spot the difference:
Somali (Caucasoid admixture)
Negroid (no Caucasoid admixture)
"Caucasoid" doesn't mean "white"...
What genetic marker taken from a "modern" genetic study pinpoints the supposed "caucasoid" feature of "thinner noses and lips"?
What genetic study states that "caucasoid" means "white skin"?
You post information that states that "afroasiatic" is a GROUP OF LANGUAGES...and you post pictures of a supposed "afroasiatic" hamite who is blackskinned...but "white"...WTF.
You want to claim that "white" people can somehow be "blackskinned"...with "European" features and somehow still African...by way of some fictional land in Eurasia(?)
yet "black" people can't have white skin...even though the phenotypes(European features, white skin etc) originally came from black skinned people from Africa...
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Beja are 30% Eurasian (Caucasoid) and 70% Sub-Saharan African (Negroid).
Somali are 40% Eurasian (Caucasoid) and 60% Sub-Saharan African (Negroid).
East Africans are basically an intermediate race between black and white.
So the "racial" makeup of these people are between 60-70% NEGROID...yet they are "white"...?
So basically you are in FULL agreeance with 19th century European scholars...those same scholars you and the other clowns are attempting to deride for being "outdated"...
quote: The Hamitic type, it appears, blends on all sides with that of the neighboring peoples, so that it is difficult to decide where the Hamite ends and the Negro begins.
-Preadamites; or, A demonstration of the existence of men before Adam (1880) by Alexander Winchell
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Beja are 30% Eurasian (Caucasoid) and 70% Sub-Saharan African (Negroid).
Somali are 40% Eurasian (Caucasoid) and 60% Sub-Saharan African (Negroid).
East Africans are basically an intermediate race between black and white.
quote:''60% of the Ethiopian gene pool has an African origin, whereas ~40% is of Caucasoid derivation…''
East Africans have visibile Caucasoid features, because they have Caucasoid admixture.
So basically I guess what you and your clown ass friends are saying is that someone who looked like this:
hooked up with someone who looked like this:
and their child looked like:
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000: come on dude...you are allegeding that some mythical "white race" inhabited Africa and spread culture and civilisation but you are post pictures of a black skinned "caucasoid"(?)as an example of this mythical "white race"...
No. The photo i posted is 40% Caucasoid, not pure-blooded. Pure-blooded Caucasoids are far lighter. Pure-blooded Caucasoids in East Africa are extinct when they admixed with the Negroid populations. Which is what their genetics reveals, because as modern geneticists conclude -they are 'intermediate' between Eurasian (Caucasoid) and Sub-Saharan African (Negroid).
Modern East Africans are therefore racially hybrid, but when you compare them to pure-blooded Negroid populations you can clearly see their inherited Caucasoid genes, hence their non-Negroid racial traits such as thinner noses and straighter hair. The Afrocentric in contrast will deny this and instead claim East Africans are thinner nosed because that is part of ''black phenotypic diversity''. As the genetics, history & anthropology reveal though it isn't. East Africans have genes from outside of Africa. They have thinner noses and other white racial traits because of their Caucasoid admixture.
quote:A demonstration of the existence of men before Adam [/b](1880) by Alexander Winchell
Afrocentics have a long past of twisting Mr. Winchell's views.
If you have access check -
The African Origin of the Grecian Civilization The Journal of Negro History Vol. 2, No. 3, Jul., 1917, pp. 334-344.
Afrocentrics in the early 20th century first discovered that Winchell identified the Pelasgians as brown skinned Hamites or belonging to the Mediterrenean race. So they then claimed he was asserting the Pelasgians were Negro.
As i earlier exposed, Afrocentrics wrongly equate the Negro to the Mediterranean race, when in reality the Mediterraneans are Caucasoid.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000: So the "racial" makeup of these people are between 60-70% NEGROID...yet they are "white"...?
They are racially hybrid. However they have Caucasoid racial traits - thin noses etc.
No one has ever claimed modern East Africans are pure-blooded Caucasoids. They are mutts. Modern geneticists call them 'intermediate'.
The point is though they derived their thin noses and straighter hair through their Caucasoid heritage. Those features are not natural among Negroids, despite the Afrocentric fantasies they are.
The Negroid race has the least phenotypic diversity. This is why black people are now clustering themselves with Australoids, Dravidians, Bushman etc - anyone with darkish skin so they can claim phenotype diversity out of self-hate.
quote: So basically you are in FULL agreeance with 19th century European scholars...those same scholars you and the other clowns are attempting to deride for being "outdated"...
I don't claim they are oudated. The Afrocentrics however do. My book collection consists of Ripley, Deniker, Grant, Hooton, Coon, Gates, etc. These works have been repeatedly confimed by modern genetics. East Africans as scientists now know are 40% Caucasoid.
Posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova (Member # 15718) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:that white people are not a primary race at all, but as Cavalli-Sforza wrote in one of his studies, that they are a mix of African and Asian- in other words, hybrids?
Nowhere does Sforza say Europeans are a mix of other races. The genetic input from Asia, was from middle-east farmers who were Caucasoid.
Acutally in the study cited he used Asiatics. I posted Cavalli-Sforza who shows that Europeans are a mix of Africans and Asians to expose your hypocrisy once again, and to take your own race model and debunk you. You are the one always harping on race. Fine, now you have to deal with it. SInce you are into race, it must hurt to know that your beloved Europeans are not a primary race at all, but mere hybrids. You are caught in your own race trap. and the early Middle Easterners, as shown by Hanihara 1996, resembled tropical Africans. They were not "Caucasoids." In post after post you keep harping on "ugly African features." Now it turns out that the incoming Neolithic to Europe had the very same "ugly African features" that you keep harping on. lmao...
Furthermore, Cavalli-Sforza references the work of his colleague Bowcock in an earlier joint study he did with her as to the mixed nature of Europeans. He notes- quote: "A tree calculated by the maximum-likelihood method and showing that admixture between ancenstral African and ancestral CHinese was responsible for the genesis of the European population (from Bowcock et al, 1991)." ---Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Paolo Menozzi, Alberto Piazza The history and geography of human genes
Bowcock's original study shows Europeans are mixed:
QUOTE: "Tree constructed by maximum likelihood, assuming a model of admixture between ancestral Africans and ancestral Asians, fitting the distances of the lower triangle of Table 1. According to this model two divergent populations contribute in specified proportions to form a new population. Various pairs of ancestral populations from which the European branch may have descended by *admixture were tested* for choosing ancestral types that contributed to the admixture. Data were found to be most consistent with this tree; ancestral Europeans are estimated to be an admixture of 65% ancestral Chinese and 35% ancestral Africans."
--[ANNE M. BOWCOCK*t, JUDITH R. KIDD*, JOANNA L. MOUNTAIN*, JOAN M. HEBERT*, LUCIANO CAROTENUTO§, KENNETH K. KIDD*, AND L. LUCA CAVALLISFORZA] "Drift, admixture, and selection in human evolution: A study with DNA polymorphisms," Proc. Nati. Acad. Sci. USA, Vol. 88, pp. 839-843, February 1991. Evolution
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"Nuclear DNA studies also contribute to the deconstruction of received racial entities. Ann Bowcock and her colleague's interpretation (Bowcock et al. 1991; Bowcock et al. 1994) of analyses of restriction-site polymorphisms and microsatellite polymorphisms (STRPs) suggests that Europeans, the defining Caucasians, are descendants of a population that arose as a consequence of admixture between already differentiated populations ancestral to (some) Africans and Asians. Therefore, Caucasians would be a secondary type or race due to its hybrid origin and not a primary race". --O.Y. Keita and Rick Kittles. (1997) The Persistence of Racial Thinking and the Myth of Racial Divergenc
SO you are trapped and debuinked with yourown race model.
--You harp on "ugly african features" but these are the ones carried by the Neolithic farmers into EUrope
--You speak of pure race categories, but Cvalli- Sforza and Bowcock, testing Europeans with other Asiatics such as East Asians (Chinese) find the same admixture pattern- Europeans are a hybrid population between Africans and Asians. The same hybrid pattern showed up in Sforza and Bowcock's Chinese anaysis.
Your own race mongering only shows Europeans to themselves be mongrels.. Using YOUR OWN race concept, you too are the product of mongrelization.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000: So basically I guess what you and your clown ass friends are saying is that someone who looked like this:
hooked up with someone who looked like this:
and their child looked like:
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That's what happened. Disgusting, but you can't change history. Modern East Africans are now 'intermediates' between Negroids and Caucasoids.
De Stefano et al. 2002 -
''East African groups, such as Ethiopians and Somalis, have great genetic resemblance to Caucasians and are clearly intermediate between sub-Saharan Africans and Caucasians''
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote: I posted Cavalli-Sforza who shows that Europeans are a mix of Africans and Asians to expose your hypocrisy once again, and to take your own race model and debunk you.
African does not = Negroid. How many times do you have to be told...
Here is a North African Berber -
Stop confusing geographic terms with racial.
quote:You are caught in your own race trap. and the early Middle Easterners, as shown by Hanihara 1996, resembled tropical Africans.
You have claimed tropical africans are white skinned, blue eyed, thin nosed, blonde etc. So their racial identity would be Caucasoid, more specifically Nordic.
So how could they be racially hybrid?
quote: "A tree calculated by the maximum-likelihood method and showing that admixture between ancenstral African and ancestral CHinese was responsible for the genesis of the European population (from Bowcock et al, 1991)." ---Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Paolo Menozzi, Alberto Piazza The history and geography of human genes
Note the word ancestral. He is talking about prior to the emergence of modern races, presumably during the archaic stage of homo.
Its completely irrelevant to the homogeneity of modern Europeans.
Mainstream scientists believe Mongoloids and Caucasoids split from a common ancester.
But that doesn't mean Caucasoids or Mongoloids are hybrid or mixed race. The races by this model evolved after the splitting off.
Posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova (Member # 15718) on :
You have claimed tropical africans are white skinned, blue eyed, thin nosed, blonde etc.
^^Bullshiit. I said people with those features do exist among tropical Africans. You said no such people existed at all. Let's recap not only your false bullshiit claim, but look at your long record of bogus claims on ES.
[Zaharan since you claimed having white skin, thin nose, straight-wavy blonde hair and light eyes are 'tropical african'...
Is Owen Wilson a tropical african?
^^Sorry loser. You are a bottom-feeder loser who feeds off the scraps that the roaches won't even touch. I said such features do occur in tropical Africa, as all can see below. All your bluster can't save you. You have been exposed multiple times as a liar. You claimed that NO TROPICAL AFRICANS WHATSOEVER had light hair, skin or eyes, and were comprehensively debunked, as shown below.
WHen you prove tha your multiple bogus claims are true below, then tell me something. Until then, you are dismissed, and will continue to be dismissed. But don't think your list of failures will stay hidden. Still waiting for you to prove your bogus claims below.
Let's recap - don;t think you will escape. The list grows every time you post.
THE FAKER EXPOSED- PART 10
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ Eurafrican is Caucasoid.
^^You are once again exposed. You said EurAfrican is Caucasoid, and cited Serti in support. But using your own citation any reader can see that Sergi considers EurAfricans to be an amalgamation or mixture of many types, directly contradicting your claim.
SErgi says: QUOTE: "This human species, with cranial and facial characters thus well determined, I call Eurafrican; and this because, having had its origin in Africa, where it is still represented by many peoples, it has been diffused from prehistoric times in Europe... The Eurafrican species thus falls into three races: the African, with red-brown and black pigmentation.. Thus the Mediterranean stock is a race or variety of the Eurafrican species." --G. Sergi
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THE FAKER EXPOSED PART 9- HE CLAIMS ALL THESE HIGGINS "DISTORTIONS" BUT WHEN ASKED TO NAME THE SPECIFIC WEBSITES OF THIS ALLEGED "AFROCENTRIC' HORROR, HE RUNS AWAY. WHY IS THAT FAKER?
In fact, Godfrey Higgins ALSO says this about "negroes"
"I believe all the Blavk bambinos of Italy are negroes- not merely blacks; this admitted, it would prove they very early date of their entrance into Italy." pg 286 pg 434 "the ancient Eturians had the countenances of Negroes, the same as the images of Buddah in INdia." pg 166 pg 474- "They aere in fact, all one nation, with one religion, that of Buddah, and they were originally NEgroes" pg 59: "nor can it be reasonably doubted, that a race of Negroes formerly had power and pre-eminence in India" pg 59- AS TO ETHIOPIA: And it is probable that an Ethiopian, a negro, correctly speaking, may have been meant, not merely a black person; and it seems probable that the following may have ben the real fact, viz, that a race of NEgroes or Blacks, but probably of the former, came to India to the west."
cASSIRETEDES own source debunks him. Note the footnote by his own author- QUOTE: ['i]"may not have been Negroes, though Blacks, though it is probably they were so."[/i]
His own source says they may not have been Negroes then adds: THOUGH IT IS PROBABLY THEY WERE SO."
^The Faker once again, debunks himself. And he seems not to realize that Ethiopia is in "sub-Saharan" Africa.. lol.. pathetic incompetent..
And he never shows these massive number of websites "all over the internet". Like what? How many? If they are "all over" then he should at least be able to give direct links to 6 showing pages where the "Afrocentrics: are "distorting" Higgins work. LEt's say what the faker has besides hot air. Post DIRECT LINKS to 6 of the huge number of alleged "Afrocentric" websites where the Afrocentrics are "distorting" Higgins. SHow how they are distorting Higgins with specific quotes and specific context.
Watch the Faker duck and run when he is again called on a claim, or make up yet another lie to cover his exposure... -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
THE FAKER EXPOSED- part 8:
quote:
Originally posted by Cassiredes: "Fair hair and light eyes colours are only found among Caucasoids, esp of Europe."
But then, in your own thread, by your own hand, you present a picture of an African albino that has pale skin, light brown or hazel eyes and fair hair. You said it was impossible, but then debunk yourself with your own posted picture.. This is like the 8-9th time you keep tripping over yourself with lies, contradictions, and bogus claims.
RECAP The Faker exposed- part 7 Originally posted by Cassiredes: "Fair hair and light eyes colours are only found among Caucasoids, esp of Europe."
^^Your claim is is completely bogus. Native diversity or albinism causes some tropical Africans to have light eyes and light hair. You fail againn..
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THE FAKER EXPOSED: PART 6 1-- ^^Faker! In your initial posts you claimed that it was Cavalli-Sforza talking 'bout negroes "mutating" from Pygmies. Now in your "corrected" post, YOU STILL APPEAR A FAKE. You now remove Cavalli- Sforza's name on the "mutant" claim, admitting that you were lying all along! Bwa ha aha a hah a ha ahahaha aha ahah..
2-- Second point- Peter Frost is debunked by Cavalli-Sforza who says as to his so-called "mutation" theory: QUOTE:
"It remains difficult to pinpoint an ancient place of origin for the Negroid type which includes all West, Central and South Africans. Contrary to many earlier opinions, modern Pygmies and Khosians are not good candidates for a proto-African population."
--Cavalli Sforza et al, 1994. The history and geography of human genes. 194
Frost mentions Cavalli-Sforza in connection with sexual selection, and movement of some groups from Nigeria-Cameroon to other parts of Africa. He never says Cavalli Sforza talks bout any "negro mutation" and in fact any mutation claim is directly contradicted by Sforza. Sucka, you not only lied bout Cavalli-Sforza, you lied about your own white writer- Peter Frost, and misrepresented him.
THE FAKER EXPOSED: PART 6 CassiREDES says: ''There are then no Australoids with blonde hair past the age of about twenty''
^^LMAO! Totally fake! Credible up to date sources note that blondism is prevalent in early life BUT, contrary to your claim that: "There are then no Australoids with blonde hair past the age of about twenty", the shade of color varies. In maturity the hair usually turns a darker brown color, but sometimes remains blond. See: "Gene Expression: Blonde Australian Aboriginals". Gnxp.com. http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2005/08/blonde-australian-aboriginals.php.
^^Here is one of your Australians over 20 years old who does have blonde hair. YOu are caught out spinning bogus claims AGAIN!. Bwa ha aha a hah a ha ahahaha aha ahah.. -
THE FAKER EXPOSED: PART 5a [b]So where are these tropical african peoples with pale white or fair skin? blonde red hair?
^^You fail again. African populations can readily produce blond or reddish blond hair as noted by hair study author Hrdy 1978 himself, and he references Nubia as an example. Albinism is another source of red or blond hair in Africa, and albinism is much more prevalent in African populations than among Europeans. Even African Americans produce more albinos than white Americans. (The pigmentary system: physiology and pathophysiology- By James J. Nordlund 2006: 603) (E. Roach and V. Miller 2004. Neurocutaneous disorders.) QUOTE: "In general, the prevalence of albinism in Africa is much higher, in the range of 1 in 1 100 to 1 in 3900."
So Africa can and does routinely produce red and blond hair. All non-Africans are MORE LIMITED subsets of ORIGINAL African diversity. THe originals have more built-in diversity than the limited sub-set populations. This is straight science as noted by the quote from TIshkoff 2000.
Nor are Africans the only tropical peoples who can produce reddish hair or blond hair. Among Australian Aborigines, some tropical groups produce 100% of individuals with blond hair. Melanesians can also produce blond or reddish hair, and do so routinely.
White people have no monopoly at all on that hair color. They merely show more of it, but even among whites, red hair for example is minor- occurring in less than 5% of the overall European populations, mostly in northern Europe.
So the claim that there are no tropical Africans with such variation is once again, proved fake. You made the claim.
THE FAKER EXPOSED: PART 4 ime and time again, you stand debunked and exposed for falsifying claims and references. Let's recap:
Originally posted by CASSIFAKedes::
quote: The source is Cavalli-Sforza's book on the Pygmies entitled 'African pygmies' (Academic Press, 1986).
This work shows that Negroids mutated from an ancestral pygmy population around 9,000 BC in West Africa. So the 'true' Black African today is a recent mutation. Caucasoids and Mongoloids predate them. [Wink] Negroids only migrated into other parts of Africa during the Bantu expansion or slightly earlier. Prior to them, Caucasoids inhabited North Africa and Bushmen (Capoids) to the south who were displaced by the Caucasoids from the Mediterranean around 12,000 BC.
^^A bogus reference. Why should anyone take your word for it given past bogus references? Quote where Cavalli-Sforza says these so-called "negroids" "mutated" from Pygmies. The burden of proof is on you, since you made the claim.
While you scurry to cover your tracks with yet more bogus claims, Cavali Sforza, in his well known The History and Geography of Human Genes, 1994 Cavalli-Sforza summarizes his 1986 work on Pygmies and specifically debunks the "Pygmy as ancestor" theory held by other older writings. QUOTE:
"It remains difficult to pinpoint an ancient place of origin for the Negroid type which includes all West, Central and South Africans. Contrary to many earlier opinions, modern Pygmies and Khosians are not good candidates for a proto-African population."
--Cavalli Sforza et al, 1994. The history and geography of human genes. 194
SO much for your lying claims of "mutations" from "Pygymy" ancestors. In short, you lied about Cavalli-Sforza, creating a falsified claim and a bogus "supporting" reference to a claim that is nowhere supported in his work. You are once again exposed as yet another racist faker You are not fooling anyone.
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THE FAKER EXPOSED-PART 3- YOu then tried to cover up your lie with even more bogus nformation and STILL fail
You "modified" your Cavalli Sforza claim by including page numbers, and then changing some wording to "adaptive radiation" hoping to divert attention from your exposure.. lmao..
However pages 361-362 of Cavalli Sforza's 1986 book says absolutely nothing about any Negroes "mutating" from pygmies, nor any "adaptive radiation." It merely discusses Pygmy history and geography. You picked out a page at random, not knowing it can be verified via Google Books. You were asked to provide a direct quote but are still running. Now why is that?
""It remains difficult to pinpoint an ancient place of origin for the Negroid type which includes all West, Central and South Africans. Contrary to many earlier opinions, modern Pygmies and Khosians are not good candidates for a proto-African population."
--Cavalli Sforza et al, 1994. The history and geography of human genes. 194
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THE FAKER EXPOSED- PART 2 And Your pathetic "modification" STILL turned out to be bogus. You then said:
"True" Black Africans appear as a recent adaptive radiation apparently branching off from an ancestral Pygmy population — a line of ancestry also indicated by osteological data (Coon 1962:651-656; Watson et al. 1996).
^^But in fact, Watson 1996 has nothing to do with osteological data and does not even mention it. It has to do with mtDNA.
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THE FAKER EXPOSED- PART 1C YOU THEN PROFFERED ANOTHER FAKE CLAIM BELOW: He says:
quote: "Note that in the Old Testament the Danites are the only Hebrew people described as being maritime and associated with ships.."
^^Complete Nonsense. In the Old Testament, the tribe of Zebulun is mentioned as specifically associated with ships and maritime elements. QUOTE:
Genesis 49:13 "Zebulun will dwell at the shore of the seas; Yea, he will be at the shore of the ships, And his side toucheth upon Sidon. "
Cassi-Fakdes: MULTIPLE TIMES AT BAT, MULTIPLE EXPOSURES AS A FAKE...
--fake claim that no Australian Abo over 20 is blonde
-- fake claim that NO tropical Africans have any diversity in hair, skin or eye color
-- fake Cavalli-Sforza citation
-- 2nd fake Cavalli-Sforza reference
-- Faked Watson reference
-- Faked Biblical reference
-- FAke representation of Peter Frost's work
-- Fake claim that "studies" say "egyptians were dark are not like 'light-skinned Europeans". COnveniently, the alleged study is missing..
--Fake Higgins claims
--Fake claim that Guiseppe Sergi's EurAfrican race concept is negro-free
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:No. The photo i posted is 40% Caucasoid, not pure-blooded. Pure-blooded Caucasoids are far lighter. Pure-blooded Caucasoids in East Africa are extinct when they admixed with the Negroid populations. Which is what their genetics reveals, because as modern geneticists conclude -they are 'intermediate' between Eurasian (Caucasoid) and Sub-Saharan African (Negroid).
Modern East Africans are therefore racially hybrid, but when you compare them to pure-blooded Negroid populations you can clearly see their inherited Caucasoid genes, hence their non-Negroid racial traits such as thinner noses and straighter hair
So just by looking at a photo...you are able to discern exactly what percentage of race a person has?
What is the genetic marker that pinpoints "lighter skin" or "thinner noses & lips" and "straighter hair" thereby distinguishing between a "Negroid" and a "Caucasoid"?
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000: So basically I guess what you and your clown ass friends are saying is that someone who looked like this:
hooked up with someone who looked like this:
and their child looked like:
That's what happened. Disgusting, but you can't change history. Modern East Africans are now 'intermediates' between Negroids and Caucasoids.
De Stefano et al. 2002 -
''East African groups, such as Ethiopians and Somalis, have great genetic resemblance to Caucasians and are clearly intermediate between sub-Saharan Africans and Caucasians'' [/QB]
You do know that when someone who looks like this:
hooks up with someone who looks like:
they can have a child who looks like:
Negroid + Negroid = Caucasoid Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Modern humans who first arose in Africa had moved into Europe as far back as about 45,000 years ago, according to a new study by an international research team led by the Russian Academy of Sciences and the University of Colorado at Boulder.
The evidence consists of stone, bone and ivory tools discovered under a layer of ancient volcanic ash on the Don River in Russia some 250 miles south of Moscow, said John Hoffecker, a fellow of CU-Boulder's Institute of Arctic and Alpine Research. Thought to contain the earliest evidence of modern humans in Europe, the site also has yielded perforated shell ornaments and a carved piece of mammoth ivory that appears to be the head of a small human figurine, which may represent the earliest piece of figurative art in the world, he said.
"The big surprise here is the very early presence of modern humans in one of the coldest, driest places in Europe," Hoffecker said. "It is one of the last places we would have expected people from Africa to occupy first."
quote:Ongoing excavations in Russia indicate anatomically modern humans were developing new technologies for survival in the cold, harsh region some 30,000 to 40,000 years ago, according to a University of Colorado at Boulder researcher.
John Hoffecker of CU-Boulder's Institute of Arctic and Alpine Research said that excavations at Kostenki -- a series of more than 20 sites about 250 miles south of present-day Moscow -- have yielded bone and ivory needles with eyelets that are 30,000 years old.
In addition, the research team uncovered nearly articulated bones of both arctic foxes and hares at the site, which is along the Don River. These discoveries strongly hint that ancient residents of Kostenki had developed trapping techniques to obtain furs that would help keep them warmer in the winters.
The many discoveries at Kostenki since the 1940s imply that anatomically modern humans who had migrated out of Africa 40,000 to 50,000 years ago were adapting to the frigid temperatures of the central east European Plain, he said.
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Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000:
What is the genetic marker that pinpoints "lighter skin"
SLC24A5 (which is absent in pure-blooded Negroids).
quote:or "thinner noses & lips" and "straighter hair" thereby distinguishing between a "Negroid" and a "Caucasoid"?
Geneticists don't yet know. However since we know those features occur in different races and are inherited we know they have a genetic basis just like white skin (SLC24A5).
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Bryan Sykes The Seven Daughters of Eve: The Science That Reveals Our Genetic Ancestry, W.W. Norton, 2001, reports that Native Europeans have only 7 indigenous mtDNA lines. This compares with over 140 in Africa in mtDNA lines.
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Posted by HERU (Member # 6085) on :
Its certainly plausible. A while ago I came across a summary of Jenny Jochens' study titled "Race and Ethnicity in the Old Norse World." I no longer have the entire summary but Rorik Radford explains:
quote: 3.By the Saga Age, swarthy complexions and features were not unknown in the North, but they were considered aesthetic faults. "Geirmundar ßáttr heljarskins" tells of Geirmundr and Hámundr, twin sons of a minor 9th century Norwegian king who were born with skin so dark they were called heljarskin--Hel-Skin; Black as Hel. The infants' mother exchanged them for the fair-skinned child of a slave, but the boys' noble lineage was apparent in their bearing and actions and their father, King Hjörr, readily acknowledged his paternity. Although most sources say the twins were the sons of Hjörr's Norwegian queen, one passage in Landnámabók says the king had brought back a captive princess from a war in Bjarmaland (now Finland), and the dark-skinned boys were born to this woman.
4.The term "svartr" (black) is commonly ascribed in the sagas to people with dark coloring, contrasted with "hvítr" (white) for those of fair complexion and features. These terms do not refer to race in the modern sense--black Africans were never described as svartr, but as blámenn (blue men). Still, the svartr/hvítr distinction shows an early attunement to physical differences based on coloring.
5. Some Saga Age Norwegians were apparently born with dark features without outside genetic influence. A well-known example is Hálfdan svarti (the Black), the father of King Harald Finehair. Likewise, Gísli Súrsson is described in his saga as a "ma?r svartr," a dark man. More often, however, dark features were attributed to foreign or even trollish genetic intervention.
6. The most famous white/black dichotomy in the sagas involves the family of Egill Skallagrímsson. Egill's father is introduced as "a dark and ugly man like his forefathers," although his brother ?órólfr was "the most handsome of men." Skallagrím's descendants, the Myramenn, are said to include both the fairest and ugliest of men. The origin of the dark side of the family line is implied in the byname of Skallagrím's great uncle, Hallbjörn hálftroll. Even though dark features might be attributed to supernatural influence, people exhibiting this trait were still considered to be Norwegians, and their intermarriage with fair- skinned Norse presented no special issues.
Also interesting:
"They attacked Nekur off the coast Morocco. There was fierce fighting with the Moors but in the end the Vikings were victorious, and many of the "Blue-men," as they called Moors, were ultimately carried off prisoners to Ireland, where we hear of their fate in the Fragments of Irish Annals." - Cambridge Medieval History
Posted by HERU (Member # 6085) on :
Oh, if whites as we know them are only roughly 10,000-5,000 years old, whereas Europe was occupied by anatomically modern humans 40,000 years ago, obviously these were dark-skinned races who would've left significant offspring even after lighter phenotypes appeared.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
^ The swarthy inhabitants of Scandinavia the Norse recorded were the Lapps. These appear in Norse mythology as trolls, the dark elves and black dwarves etc.
I have a 11th century old Norse text which describes the children of Lapps and the Norse as ''half-goblins''.
Elf-arrows or 'elf-shot' are also known to be stone, this is because the Lapps were more primitive stone-tool users than the later arriving Norse.
And to point out the obvious, the Lapps were not from Africa... they are a cold adapted people.
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000:
What is the genetic marker that pinpoints "lighter skin"
SLC24A5 (which is absent in pure-blooded Negroids).
quote:or "thinner noses & lips" and "straighter hair" thereby distinguishing between a "Negroid" and a "Caucasoid"?
Geneticists don't yet know. However since we know those features occur in different races and are inherited we know they have a genetic basis just like white skin (SLC24A5).
Of course SLC24A5(and SLC45A2) is "absent" in "pure-blooded Negroids" ....because SLC24A5 is a MUTATION that deals with ALBINISM.
Albinistic "caucasoids" are nothing more than mutated genetically recessive negros....
quote:Aethiops Albus, Albino
-Medical lexicon: a dictionary of medical science : containing a concise explanation of the various subjects and terms, with the French and other synonymes, notices of climate, and of celebrated mineral waters, formulae for various officinal and empirical preparations, etc, Part 916; Part 1846 (1846) by Robley Dunglison
remember you stated that East Africans:
quote:The point is though they derived their thin noses and straighter hair through their Caucasoid heritage. Those features are not natural among Negroids, despite the Afrocentric fantasies they are.
Now lets see if you can pull a rabbit out of your hat and describe the specific genetic marker that pinpoints "caucasian" thin lips & nose, straight hair... Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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[Someone wrote] "And to point out the obvious, the Lapps were not from Africa... they are a cold adapted people."
From the geographical area where the Lapp are found: a wood sculpture from the first century BC:
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Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000:
Albinistic "caucasoids" are nothing more than mutated genetically recessive negros....
Caucasoids predate Negroids -
You guys are the most recent mutation, not us. Your albino theory is laughable.
Mauny, 1978:
''The oldest-known skeleton of a West African was found in Nigeria at Iwo Eleru; it is of a negroid man and is dated to 9250 ± 150 BC.''
''True Black Africans appear as a recent adaptive radiation, apparently branching off from an ancestral Pygmy population — a line of ancestry also indicated by osteological data (Coon 1962:651-656; Watson et al. 1996). This radiation seems to have occurred somewhere in West Africa. Before the Bantu expansion about 3,000 years ago, true Black Africans were absent from the continent's central, eastern, and southern regions (Cavalli-Sforza 1986:361-362; Oliver 1966). They were also absent from the middle Nile until about 4,000 years ago, at which time they begin to appear in paintings from Pharaonic Egypt and in skeletal remains from Nubia (Junker 1921).''
Btw, why do Negroid albinos look nothing like Caucasoids?
Negroid albino -
LMAO. How many white children look like this?
Negroid bone structure is hideous - wide noses, prognathism. Those features are not found in Caucasoids.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000: Now lets see if you can pull a rabbit out of your hat and describe the specific genetic marker that pinpoints "caucasian" thin lips & nose, straight hair... [/QB]
Most sexual dimorphism is found in Europeans (Frost, 2006). Several studies have found wider hips, narrower waists, and thicker deposition of subcutaneous fat in women of European descent than in other women (Hrdlicka, 1898; Meredith & Spurgeon, 1980; Nelson & Nelson, 1986). This accentuation is noticeable even before birth: Euro-American fetuses are sexually more dimorphic than African-American fetuses (Choi & Trotter, 1970).
White woman are delicate have symmetrical faces, narrower waists and wider hips than black woman.
Black People instead have little sexual dimorphism. Black females often look like black males - because both are robust with the same non-attractive facial features.
Compared - black woman (top) with white woman (bottom):
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Posted by HERU (Member # 6085) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000:
Albinistic "caucasoids" are nothing more than mutated genetically recessive negros....
Caucasoids predate Negroids -
You guys are the most recent mutation, not us. Your albino theory is laughable.
Mauny, 1978:
''The oldest-known skeleton of a West African was found in Nigeria at Iwo Eleru; it is of a negroid man and is dated to 9250 ± 150 BC.''
''True Black Africans appear as a recent adaptive radiation, apparently branching off from an ancestral Pygmy population — a line of ancestry also indicated by osteological data (Coon 1962:651-656; Watson et al. 1996). This radiation seems to have occurred somewhere in West Africa. Before the Bantu expansion about 3,000 years ago, true Black Africans were absent from the continent's central, eastern, and southern regions (Cavalli-Sforza 1986:361-362; Oliver 1966). They were also absent from the middle Nile until about 4,000 years ago, at which time they begin to appear in paintings from Pharaonic Egypt and in skeletal remains from Nubia (Junker 1921).''
Btw, why do Negroid albinos look nothing like Caucasoids?
Negroid albino -
LMAO. How many white children look like this?
Negroid bone structure is hideous - wide noses, prognathism. Those features are not found in Caucasoids.
This is pseudo-science my friend.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
basically "albino" means "white skinned black african"...
quote:Aethiops Albus, Albino
-Medical lexicon: a dictionary of medical science : containing a concise explanation of the various subjects and terms, with the French and other synonymes, notices of climate, and of celebrated mineral waters, formulae for various officinal and empirical preparations, etc, Part 916; Part 1846 (1846) by Robley Dunglison
And BTW North Africa was inhabited by black skinned people...those same black skinned people who crossed the "mediterranean" and moved into Europe ...
quote:LIBYA
The Libya of Homer (Od. iv. 87, xiv. 295) and Hesiod (Theog. 739; comp. Strab. i. p. 29) comprised all that portion of the African continent which lay west of Lower and Middle Aegypt They knew it by report only, had no conception of its form or extent, and gave its inabitants the general name of Aethiopes, the dark or black coloured men.
-Dictionary of Greek and Roman geography, Volume 2(1857) edited by Sir William Smith
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
Hey dude...this chart of yours doesn't mention any "caucasoids"...
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
^ That photo with the caption isn't me.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000: [QB] Hey dude...this chart of yours doesn't mention any "caucasoids"...
The Adamites according to Winchell = Caucasoids. There is a chapter in his book called ''ADAM A WHITE MAN''. pp.158-159, p. 476. Feel free to take a look.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Aethiopes, the dark or black coloured men
Aethiopes means burt faced, not dark or black.
aitho means burnt + ops, face.
The reason the Greeks & Romans believed the Aethiopians were burnt is because of the myth that their skin was burnt by the chariot of helios. This myth is found in Hyginus' fabulae.
So the ancient greeks thought that extreme dark skin was an abnormal mutation.
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Aethiopes, the dark or black coloured men
Aethiopes means burt faced, not dark or black.
aitho means burnt + ops, face.
The reason the Greeks & Romans believed the Aethiopians were burnt is because of the myth that their skin was burnt by the chariot of helios. This myth is found in Hyginus' fabulae.
So the ancient greeks thought that extreme dark skin was an abnormal mutation.
You make no sense. At first you attempt to claim that Aethiopes DOESN'T mean "dark skin" but "burt"(sp?)...and then you say that it does mean dark skin because "Aethiopes" was a descriptor of people with dark skin from Africa...lol
quote:The name Ham signifies the Sun-burnt, and the term Aithiopes, applied by the Greeks to all dark races, has the same meaning. The Aithiopes are therefore the Hamites, or rather the Cushites, a family of the Hamites, the most remote of mankind in the Homeric system of geography,
-Poseidôn: a link between Semite, Hamite, and Aryan (1872) By Robert Brown
quote:History informs us that an ancient Egyptian type underwent a similar blending with the African, and explains that this was occasioned by intermarriages with Negroes, at that time known as Ethiopians,
-Preadamites; or, A demonstration of the existence of men before Adam (1880) By Alexander Winchell
quote:in Europe, as in Asia, the Hamites became the first founders of cities. Athens was Hamitic, and so were Dodona, Argos, Aeolis and Doris, as well as Plakia and Skulaka on the Asiatic shore of Marmora, and Larissa in Ionia.
-Preadamites; or, A demonstration of the existence of men before Adam (1880) By Alexander Winchell
quote:The Hamitic type, it appears, blends on all sides with that of the neighboring peoples, so that it is difficult to decide where the Hamite ends and the Negro begins.
-Preadamites; or, A demonstration of the existence of men before Adam (1880) by Alexander Winchell
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000: [QB] Hey dude...this chart of yours doesn't mention any "caucasoids"...
The Adamites according to Winchell = Caucasoids. There is a chapter in his book called ''ADAM A WHITE MAN''. pp.158-159, p. 476. Feel free to take a look.
If there IS such a book(which is HIGHLY DOUBTFUL)...why don't you find the specific quote and present it here with verifying link to said affirmation. Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000: You make no sense. At first you attempt to claim that Aethiopes DOESN'T mean "dark skin" but "burt"(sp?)...and then you say that it does mean dark skin because "Aethiopes" was a descriptor of people with dark skin from Africa...lol
''burnt faced'' = dark skin.
To the ancient greeks and romans dark skin = burnt. They did not regard it as a natural feature, on the contrary they thought that prior to the aethiopes being burnt by helios' sky chariot that the skin of africans was light. It only became dark after being severely burnt according to the fall of phaethon myth. Look it up.
As late as Pliny the elder (natural history, 7. 4), the Romans/Greeks were still shocked and intrigued by the dark skin of the black africans. It was something they had never before as such encountered and to them it appeared very abnormal.
7. 4 -
quis enim Aethiopas antequam cerneret credidit?’’
‘‘for who believed in the Ethiopians before seeing them’’
- Europeans had never before encountered people with dark skin.
Obvious a massive blow to afrocentrism since the ancient literature is very clear ancient greeks and romans had never encountred dark people until a late stage in time and when they discovered them they could not believe their eyes at what they were seeing.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: This whole thread is in response to my thread about gospel music having Scottish origins.lol...Now the fruitcakes are desperate to prove that the Scottish were black. I'll have to see what I can dig up in the way of medieval Scottish art to see how they really looked.
Whites weren't even around when blacks created Gospel Music.
Ya' know, due to segregation.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by Nehesy: "Ancient and Modern Britons" Vol I & II by David Mac Ritchie is full of evidence for existence of Black scots and among them " Kenneth King of Alban; who was known as Dubh, Niger or the Black " P 266 Vol I
* Macduff/Magha Dubh = The son of the blacks:The clan of the Black , Vol I P 266 (according to the swarthy and black colour of those of the tribe)
* Kenneth ruled blacks and whites in scotland ,Vol II p 87
* Magha Dubh shortened into McDuff , represented "one division of the posterity of this powerful black king", Vol II p 87
* Black Monks in Scotland, Vol II p 291
* P 272 ,The black races of Scotland , Vol I * P 116,about the ancestors of the McLeod : "from Leod,son to the Black prince of Man", Vol I
etc, etc
These 2 books are very embarrassing (with skeletal evidence , analyzed by Pr Huxley a scholar of that time) for Euronuts : Black Danes, Black Celts, Black Vikings,Black Huns,Black Druids,Black Hungarians,Black (Kara) Tartars of Genghis Khan, the Black Moors of Great Britain in General...
And here's his racial origin chart from my photobucket -
Such pseudo b.s. incredible! lol
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000: You make no sense. At first you attempt to claim that Aethiopes DOESN'T mean "dark skin" but "burt"(sp?)...and then you say that it does mean dark skin because "Aethiopes" was a descriptor of people with dark skin from Africa...lol
''burnt faced'' = dark skin.
To the ancient greeks and romans dark skin = burnt. They did not regard it as a natural feature, on the contrary they thought that prior to the aethiopes being burnt by helios' sky chariot that the skin of africans was light. It only became dark after being severely burnt according to the fall of phaethon myth. Look it up.
As late as Pliny the elder (natural history, 7. 4), the Romans/Greeks were still shocked and intrigued by the dark skin of the black africans. It was something they had never before as such encountered and to them it appeared very abnormal.
7. 4 -
quis enim Aethiopas antequam cerneret credidit?’’
‘‘for who believed in the Ethiopians before seeing them’’
- Europeans had never before encountered people with dark skin.
Obvious a massive blow to afrocentrism since the ancient literature is very clear ancient greeks and romans had never encountred dark people until a late stage in time and when they discovered them they could not believe their eyes at what they were seeing.
Had they not seen any dark skin before. It means they weren't well travelled, after all. lol
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000: You make no sense. At first you attempt to claim that Aethiopes DOESN'T mean "dark skin" but "burt"(sp?)...and then you say that it does mean dark skin because "Aethiopes" was a descriptor of people with dark skin from Africa...lol
''burnt faced'' = dark skin.
To the ancient greeks and romans dark skin = burnt. baa..baaa..baaa.
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000: You make no sense. At first you attempt to claim that Aethiopes DOESN'T mean "dark skin" but "burt"(sp?)...and then you say that it does mean dark skin because "Aethiopes" was a descriptor of people with dark skin from Africa...lol
''burnt faced'' = dark skin.
To the ancient greeks and romans dark skin = burnt. baa..baaa..baaa.
Dubh, the bh having the sound of f or v, is the term in Gaelic descriptive of a black or dark coloured man, and all those are of this clan refer to Mac Duff, the powerful Thane of Fife, who overthrew Mac Beth in 1056, as their common ancestor; but the first Thane was created anno 838.
-THE CLANS OF THE SCOTTISH HIGHLANDS(1980) by R.R. McIan(ISBN 0-394-51171-9)
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
perhaps the Etruscans are representative of the "Mediterranean" race...
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ Eurafrican is Caucasoid.
^^You are once again exposed. You said EurAfrican is Caucasoid, and cited Serti in support. But using your own citation any reader can see that Sergi considers EurAfricans to be an amalgamation or mixture of many types, directly contradicting your claim.
SErgi says: QUOTE: "This human species, with cranial and facial characters thus well determined, I call Eurafrican; and this because, having had its origin in Africa, where it is still represented by many peoples, it has been diffused from prehistoric times in Europe... The Eurafrican species thus falls into three races: the African, with red-brown and black pigmentation.. Thus the Mediterranean stock is a race or variety of the Eurafrican species." --G. Sergi
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THE FAKER EXPOSED PART 9- HE CLAIMS ALL THESE HIGGINS "DISTORTIONS" BUT WHEN ASKED TO NAME THE SPECIFIC WEBSITES OF THIS ALLEGED "AFROCENTRIC' HORROR, HE RUNS AWAY. WHY IS THAT FAKER?
In fact, Godfrey Higgins ALSO says this about "negroes"
"I believe all the Blavk bambinos of Italy are negroes- not merely blacks; this admitted, it would prove they very early date of their entrance into Italy." pg 286 pg 434 "the ancient Eturians had the countenances of Negroes, the same as the images of Buddah in INdia." pg 166 pg 474- "They aere in fact, all one nation, with one religion, that of Buddah, and they were originally NEgroes" pg 59: "nor can it be reasonably doubted, that a race of Negroes formerly had power and pre-eminence in India" pg 59- AS TO ETHIOPIA: And it is probable that an Ethiopian, a negro, correctly speaking, may have been meant, not merely a black person; and it seems probable that the following may have ben the real fact, viz, that a race of NEgroes or Blacks, but probably of the former, came to India to the west."
cASSIRETEDES own source debunks him. Note the footnote by his own author- QUOTE: ['i]"may not have been Negroes, though Blacks, though it is probably they were so."[/i]
His own source says they may not have been Negroes then adds: THOUGH IT IS PROBABLY THEY WERE SO."
^The Faker once again, debunks himself. And he seems not to realize that Ethiopia is in "sub-Saharan" Africa.. lol.. pathetic incompetent..
And he never shows these massive number of websites "all over the internet". Like what? How many? If they are "all over" then he should at least be able to give direct links to 6 showing pages where the "Afrocentrics: are "distorting" Higgins work. LEt's say what the faker has besides hot air. Post DIRECT LINKS to 6 of the huge number of alleged "Afrocentric" websites where the Afrocentrics are "distorting" Higgins. SHow how they are distorting Higgins with specific quotes and specific context.
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THE FAKER EXPOSED- part 8:
quote:
Originally posted by Cassiredes: "Fair hair and light eyes colours are only found among Caucasoids, esp of Europe."
But then, in your own thread, by your own hand, you present a picture of an African albino that has pale skin, light brown or hazel eyes and fair hair. You said it was impossible, but then debunk yourself with your own posted picture.. This is like the 8-9th time you keep tripping over yourself with lies, contradictions, and bogus claims.
RECAP The Faker exposed- part 7 Originally posted by Cassiredes: "Fair hair and light eyes colours are only found among Caucasoids, esp of Europe."
^^Your claim is is completely bogus. Native diversity or albinism causes some tropical Africans to have light eyes and light hair. You fail againn..
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THE FAKER EXPOSED: PART 6 1-- ^^Faker! In your initial posts you claimed that it was Cavalli-Sforza talking 'bout negroes "mutating" from Pygmies. Now in your "corrected" post, YOU STILL APPEAR A FAKE. You now remove Cavalli- Sforza's name on the "mutant" claim, admitting that you were lying all along! Bwa ha aha a hah a ha ahahaha aha ahah..
2-- Second point- Peter Frost is debunked by Cavalli-Sforza who says as to his so-called "mutation" theory: QUOTE:
"It remains difficult to pinpoint an ancient place of origin for the Negroid type which includes all West, Central and South Africans. Contrary to many earlier opinions, modern Pygmies and Khosians are not good candidates for a proto-African population."
--Cavalli Sforza et al, 1994. The history and geography of human genes. 194
Frost mentions Cavalli-Sforza in connection with sexual selection, and movement of some groups from Nigeria-Cameroon to other parts of Africa. He never says Cavalli Sforza talks bout any "negro mutation" and in fact any mutation claim is directly contradicted by Sforza. Sucka, you not only lied bout Cavalli-Sforza, you lied about your own white writer- Peter Frost, and misrepresented him.
THE FAKER EXPOSED: PART 6 CassiREDES says: ''There are then no Australoids with blonde hair past the age of about twenty''
^^LMAO! Totally fake! Credible up to date sources note that blondism is prevalent in early life BUT, contrary to your claim that: "There are then no Australoids with blonde hair past the age of about twenty", the shade of color varies. In maturity the hair usually turns a darker brown color, but sometimes remains blond. See: "Gene Expression: Blonde Australian Aboriginals". Gnxp.com. http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2005/08/blonde-australian-aboriginals.php.
^^Here is one of your Australians over 20 years old who does have blonde hair. YOu are caught out spinning bogus claims AGAIN!. Bwa ha aha a hah a ha ahahaha aha ahah.. -
THE FAKER EXPOSED: PART 5a [b]So where are these tropical african peoples with pale white or fair skin? blonde red hair?
^^You fail again. African populations can readily produce blond or reddish blond hair as noted by hair study author Hrdy 1978 himself, and he references Nubia as an example. Albinism is another source of red or blond hair in Africa, and albinism is much more prevalent in African populations than among Europeans. Even African Americans produce more albinos than white Americans. (The pigmentary system: physiology and pathophysiology- By James J. Nordlund 2006: 603) (E. Roach and V. Miller 2004. Neurocutaneous disorders.) QUOTE: "In general, the prevalence of albinism in Africa is much higher, in the range of 1 in 1 100 to 1 in 3900."
So Africa can and does routinely produce red and blond hair. All non-Africans are MORE LIMITED subsets of ORIGINAL African diversity. THe originals have more built-in diversity than the limited sub-set populations. This is straight science as noted by the quote from TIshkoff 2000.
Nor are Africans the only tropical peoples who can produce reddish hair or blond hair. Among Australian Aborigines, some tropical groups produce 100% of individuals with blond hair. Melanesians can also produce blond or reddish hair, and do so routinely.
White people have no monopoly at all on that hair color. They merely show more of it, but even among whites, red hair for example is minor- occurring in less than 5% of the overall European populations, mostly in northern Europe.
So the claim that there are no tropical Africans with such variation is once again, proved fake. You made the claim.
THE FAKER EXPOSED: PART 4 ime and time again, you stand debunked and exposed for falsifying claims and references. Let's recap:
Originally posted by CASSIFAKedes::
quote: The source is Cavalli-Sforza's book on the Pygmies entitled 'African pygmies' (Academic Press, 1986).
This work shows that Negroids mutated from an ancestral pygmy population around 9,000 BC in West Africa. So the 'true' Black African today is a recent mutation. Caucasoids and Mongoloids predate them. [Wink] Negroids only migrated into other parts of Africa during the Bantu expansion or slightly earlier. Prior to them, Caucasoids inhabited North Africa and Bushmen (Capoids) to the south who were displaced by the Caucasoids from the Mediterranean around 12,000 BC.
^^A bogus reference. Why should anyone take your word for it given past bogus references? Quote where Cavalli-Sforza says these so-called "negroids" "mutated" from Pygmies. The burden of proof is on you, since you made the claim.
While you scurry to cover your tracks with yet more bogus claims, Cavali Sforza, in his well known The History and Geography of Human Genes, 1994 Cavalli-Sforza summarizes his 1986 work on Pygmies and specifically debunks the "Pygmy as ancestor" theory held by other older writings. QUOTE:
"It remains difficult to pinpoint an ancient place of origin for the Negroid type which includes all West, Central and South Africans. Contrary to many earlier opinions, modern Pygmies and Khosians are not good candidates for a proto-African population."
--Cavalli Sforza et al, 1994. The history and geography of human genes. 194
SO much for your lying claims of "mutations" from "Pygymy" ancestors. In short, you lied about Cavalli-Sforza, creating a falsified claim and a bogus "supporting" reference to a claim that is nowhere supported in his work. You are once again exposed as yet another racist faker You are not fooling anyone.
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THE FAKER EXPOSED-PART 3- YOu then tried to cover up your lie with even more bogus nformation and STILL fail
You "modified" your Cavalli Sforza claim by including page numbers, and then changing some wording to "adaptive radiation" hoping to divert attention from your exposure.. lmao..
However pages 361-362 of Cavalli Sforza's 1986 book says absolutely nothing about any Negroes "mutating" from pygmies, nor any "adaptive radiation." It merely discusses Pygmy history and geography. You picked out a page at random, not knowing it can be verified via Google Books. You were asked to provide a direct quote but are still running. Now why is that?
""It remains difficult to pinpoint an ancient place of origin for the Negroid type which includes all West, Central and South Africans. Contrary to many earlier opinions, modern Pygmies and Khosians are not good candidates for a proto-African population."
--Cavalli Sforza et al, 1994. The history and geography of human genes. 194
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THE FAKER EXPOSED- PART 2 And Your pathetic "modification" STILL turned out to be bogus. You then said:
"True" Black Africans appear as a recent adaptive radiation apparently branching off from an ancestral Pygmy population — a line of ancestry also indicated by osteological data (Coon 1962:651-656; Watson et al. 1996).
^^But in fact, Watson 1996 has nothing to do with osteological data and does not even mention it. It has to do with mtDNA.
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THE FAKER EXPOSED- PART 1C YOU THEN PROFFERED ANOTHER FAKE CLAIM BELOW: He says:
quote: "Note that in the Old Testament the Danites are the only Hebrew people described as being maritime and associated with ships.."
^^Complete Nonsense. In the Old Testament, the tribe of Zebulun is mentioned as specifically associated with ships and maritime elements. QUOTE:
Genesis 49:13 "Zebulun will dwell at the shore of the seas; Yea, he will be at the shore of the ships, And his side toucheth upon Sidon. "
Cassi-Fakdes: MULTIPLE TIMES AT BAT, MULTIPLE EXPOSURES AS A FAKE...
--fake claim that no Australian Abo over 20 is blonde
-- fake claim that NO tropical Africans have any diversity in hair, skin or eye color
-- fake Cavalli-Sforza citation
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-- Faked Watson reference
-- Faked Biblical reference
-- FAke representation of Peter Frost's work
-- Fake claim that "studies" say "egyptians were dark are not like 'light-skinned Europeans". COnveniently, the alleged study is missing..
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--Fake claim that Vanessa Williams has no black ancestry but is "white and Indian"
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Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Deaver. Originally Duibir, from dub, black ; ir, man. A dark-complexioned man.
Duffy. Dub, black ; eac, an individual. A black person.
-Family names from the Irish, Anglo-Saxon, Anglo-Norman and Scotch considered in relation to their etymology, with brief remarks on the history and languages of the peoples to whom we are indebted for their origin (1892) by Thomas George Gentry
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:According to the Irish records, the oldest people mentioned in Ireland, the Formorians, came from Africa ; and it is said that they had powerful fleets, and were distinguished for maritime enterprise. Probably the Cushite race, religion, and civilization first went to the ancient Finnic people of Britain, Gaul, and the Scandinavian countries from Spain and Africa.
quote:Major Wilford's investigations led him to remark, in the 8th volume of the " Asiatic Researches," that " it is well known to the learned that, at a very remote period, Europe and Africa were considered as but one of two grand divisions of the world, and that the appellation Africa was even extended to the western parts of Europe, all along the shores of the Atlantic."
-Pre-historic nations; or, Inquiries concerning some of the great peoples and civilizatins of antiquity, and their probable relation to a still older civilization of the Ethiopians or Cushites of Arabia (1874 [c1869]) by John D. Baldwin
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:In the course of his paper he observed— ' In looking over the books, he was surprised to find a statement, not one, but many, in proof of the allegation that the Irish tongue had been spoken, and was still understood, in Africa. Of these, he would mention two— one was, that an Irish-speaking person penetrated through Africa, even to Ashantee, being thoroughly understood, and the other in which an African without any European education was able to read Irish manuscripts, and to converse with Irish-speaking people in this country
-Ereuna : or, An Investigation of the Etymons of words and names, classical and scriptural, through the medium of Celtic, together with some remarks on Hebraeo-Celtic affinities (1875) by Celtophile
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Scottish atrocities depicted in 1499 Luttrell Psalter
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Pre-historic nations; or, Inquiries concerning some of the great peoples and civilizatins of antiquity, and their probable relation to a still older civilization of the Ethiopians or Cushites of Arabia (1874 [c1869]) by John D. Baldwin
A good text. Please check pages 58-59:
''Careful students of antiquity now point out that the people of Ethiopia seem to have been of the caucasian race, meaning white men.''
So once again, i would like to know how this text helps your potty afrocentrism.
Are you now agreeing the Cushites were white?
The Cushitic race as Baldwin discovered was Caucasoid. Its Arabid, falling under the Mediterranean division. Baldwin shows that the Cushites are Arabians, not Africans.
Arabid phenotype -
I presume this is what you would call ''albino''? Posted by malibudusul (Member # 19346) on :
quote:Pre-historic nations; or, Inquiries concerning some of the great peoples and civilizatins of antiquity, and their probable relation to a still older civilization of the Ethiopians or Cushites of Arabia (1874 [c1869]) by John D. Baldwin
A good text. Please check pages 58-59:
''Careful students of antiquity now point out that the people of Ethiopia seem to have been of the caucasian race, meaning white men.''
So once again, i would like to know how this text helps your potty afrocentrism.
Are you now agreeing the Cushites were white?
The Cushitic race as Baldwin discovered was Caucasoid. Its Arabid, falling under the Mediterranean division. Baldwin shows that the Cushites are Arabians, not Africans.
Arabid phenotype -
I presume this is what you would call ''albino''?
meaning they were actually "black skinned" members of the "white race"(ie. caucasian)...
Here are examples of the surviving members of the 'caucasoid white race'...a race that is "extinct" and replaced by an "intermediate" race that is 60% "caucasoid" and 40% "negroid"...lol
quote:In the early traditions and literary records of the Greeks, Arabia is described as Ethiopia; and this name was applied to other regions occupied or controlled by the Arabian Cushites. In modern times, it has commonly been assumed, without proper inquiry, that the Ethiopians were of course Africans.
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Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:The Cushitic race as Baldwin discovered was Caucasoid. Its Arabid, falling under the Mediterranean division. Baldwin shows that the Cushites are Arabians, not Africans.
quote:Mr. E. R. Hodges also declares that " before the dawn of history overspread Assyria and Mesopotamia, Media and Etruria were the earliest colonists of Britain, Spain, Italy and India." In short, the BLACK DRAVIDIAN RACES are considered as having preceded the whole European family of nations; peopling Asia Minor, Armenia, THE COUNTRY OF THE CAUCASUS and ASIATIC ETHIOPIA WEST OF THE INDUS, as well as France, Spain and the British islands, long before the Semitic and Aryan nations had appeared on the surface of history.
quote:Prof. Rawlinson adds his testimony :"Recent linguistic discovery tends to show that aCushite or Ethiopian race did, in the earliest times, extend itself along the shores of the Southern Ocean from Abyssinia to India. The whole peninsula of India was peopled by a race of this character before the inflex of the Aryans ; it extended from the Indus along the sea-coast through the modern Beluchistan and Kerman, which was the proper country of the Asiatic Ethiopians.
-Serpent and Siva worship and mythology, in Central America, Africa, and Asia. And The origin of serpent worship. Two treatises (1877) by Hyde Clarke, C. Staniland Wake
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:These people were chiefly Cushites, children of Cush, or Ethiopians, who over-ran Egypt, and conquered the former inhabitants of that country. Others, under the generic name of " Ammonites," occupied the principal islands of the Aegean Sea, also Sardinia, Crete, and Cyprus, apparently extending their journeying into the Isles of Britain, where the ancient Druids showed evident traces of Ammonite ancestry in the doctrines they taught, as far as they can be ascertained, and the religious rites which they practised
-Secret Sects of Syria and the Lebanon (1922) by Bernard H. Springett
quote:"Those whom we might consider as the Cushites ("thus they are called in the Old Testament") would be the Abyssinians of Tigre and Axum, 2 whose language is on the one. hand quite akin to the Arabic,"
"2 " This tribe forms the smallest part of the nation now called Abyssinians, or more correctly Habesh. The name Habesh is very appropriate for this people, as it. consists of an amalgamation of the most different tribes, for the most part of blacks of different shades down to the Negroes."
quote:Now in these descriptions we meet with inhabitants of two different colours, for we find black and yellow Egyptians mentioned. But whether a portion of the ancient inhabitants actually belonged to the Ethiopian race, or whether the black colour had arisen from intercourse and mixture with the Cushites and Negroes, is a point on which at present we can only raise a question, but its solution will soon be found.
-Lectures on ancient history (1852) by Barthold Georg Niebuhr
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:It is believed now, that Hamitic or Cushite tribes, of dark complexion, extended along the whole southern coast of Asia. They settled in Arabia, and Beloochistan, and Kerman; the cities on the northern shore of the Persian Gulf are proved by the inscriptions to have belonged to them ; they ruled for a time in Babylonia and Susiana, and relics of their language exist yet in Abyssinia, Nubia, and among various African tribes.
-The Races of the old world (1863) by Charles Loring Brace
NOTE: Isn't the region of the north shores of the Persian Gulf the hypothetical mythical "home" of the "Aryan"???...:scratches head:
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
Bacchus, the Greek Osiris, was the son of
quote:AEthiops, and Plutarch records the tradition that Osiris was black and therefore an AEthiopian or Cushite, the black colour being peculiar to the Cushite race as implied by the prophet Jeremiah, " Can the AEthopian (Cushite) change his skin" (Jer. xiii. 23). The features of Osiris in the woodcut are evidently those of a negro.
-The Worship of the Dead: Or, the Origin and Nature of Pagan Idolatry and Its Bearing Upon the Early History of Egypt and Babylonia (1904) By John Garnier
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
^ Some good reads. These texts require more of a scholarly interpretation through than the Afrocentric: ''its black - so that's us'' mentality...
Check Marcus Keane's 'The Towers and Temples of Ancient Ireland' (1867). It has a chapter called ''the black divinity'' (pp. 230-231).
Keane's work traces the Cushitic settlement of Ireland and it explains the origin of the dubh surname.
It may not have been the case that these peoples were dark skinned, but instead associated with evil. The Cushites are linked to the origin of idolatry, phallic worship and so forth. Hislop, for example identified the Cushites as being a black race because Nimrod was evil and this was a popular 19th century view. The Garnier quote you posted is drawing directly from Hislop.
The other explanation is that these Cushites were Indians. This theory is based on the round tower theory of henry o brien, godfrey higgin's works etcetc. As i exposed in the other thread Higgin's did not identify the Cushites as Negroid, but a seperate dark race.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000: Cushite Caucasoid Arabid Mediterraneans"...???
Cushites have their origins in Arabia, they were Arabid. Racially the Arabid is Mediterranean (Caucasoid).
Race: Caucasoid
Subrace: Mediterranid
Mediterranid racial divisions:
Arabid (predominant in Arabia, major element from Egypt to Syria, primary in northern Sudan, important in Iraq, predominant element among the Oriental Jews)
East Mediterranean or Pontid subrace (Black Sea coast of Ukraine, Romania and Bulgaria; Aegean coasts of Greece and Turkey).
West Mediterranean or Iberid subrace (Spain, Portugal, Corsica, Sardinia, and coastal areas of Morocco and Tunisia; the Atlanto-Mediterranean peoples who expanded over much of the Atlantic coastal regions of Europe during the Mesolithic period were a branch of this division).
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
NOTE: The so called Nordic subrace is just a depigmentated Pontid Mediterranean. Those Meds that moved further north depigmentated past the Black Sea region and their olive skin turned pale white and their hair lighter.
Scientists have also tracked the origin of blue eyes to the black sea region.
Hooton, 1939 -
''The Nordic race is certainly a depigmented offshoot from the basic long-headed Mediterranean stock. It deserves separate racial classification only because its blond hair (ash or golden), its pure blue or gray eyes''
Melville Jacobs, 1947 -
''To many physical anthropologists Nordic means a group with an especially high percentage of blondness, which represent a depigmentated Mediterranean''
Claude Alvin Villee, Jr. 1972 -
''The Nordic division, a partially depigmized branch of the Meditterranean group''
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
please make it stop!!!
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
funkcity1000
Now you see why we call her Cashitty, the dunce clown. Such a guy you do not waste your time on.
A self-haating pink ass tard who wishes he had been born Ethiopian or Somalian.
The albinos come with all shades of mental illness and self esteem issues. Lol....
Just let your messages out and pay them no mind. Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
NSir James Douglas (also known as Good Sir James and the Black Douglas), (circa 1286 – August 25, 1330), was a Scottish soldier and knight who fought in the Scottish Wars of Independence.
NB: There was a black side of the Douglas family (black Douglas) just as there was a red side (albinos/white douglas)
Barbour wrote a portrait of the chief Black Douglas less than 50 years after his death:
"Bot he was nocht sa far (fair) that we Suld spek gretly of his beaute. In visage was he sumdele gray, And had blak har, as I herd say; Bot of limmis he was wele mad (well made), With banes gret and schuldris brad; His body was wele mad and lenyhe (lean), As tha that saw him said to me. Quhen he was blith he was lusty, And mek and suet in cumpany. Bot, quha in battale micht him se, All othir contenans had he, And in spek ulispit he sumdele (lisped a little), Bot that sat him richt wondir wele."(16)
Unlike the forum you were banned on above, i don't have a problem with old texts. I collect them. Problem is though you are quoting 19th century texts which talk about Cushites, Iberians, Mediterraneans etc who are Caucasoid, but then you claim they are Negroid. It just makes no sense.
Mediterraneans are Caucasoid.
The Med phenotype, a perfect example:
Catherine Zeta Jones
How on earth is she negroid/black?
So would you like to clarify what you think the mediterranean race is, before we take this further.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
The wonderful Ethiopians of the ancient Cushitic Empire - Drusilla Houston
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: NOTE: The so called Nordic subrace is just a depigmentated Pontid Mediterranean. Those Meds that moved further north depigmentated past the Black Sea region and their olive skin turned pale white and their hair lighter.
Scientists have also tracked the origin of blue eyes to the black sea region.
Hooton, 1939 -
''The Nordic race is certainly a depigmented offshoot from the basic long-headed Mediterranean stock. It deserves separate racial classification only because its blond hair (ash or golden), its pure blue or gray eyes''
Melville Jacobs, 1947 -
''To many physical anthropologists Nordic means a group with an especially high percentage of blondness, which represent a depigmentated Mediterranean''
Claude Alvin Villee, Jr. 1972 -
''The Nordic division, a partially depigmized branch of the Meditterranean group''
quote:Pontid race - subrace in structure Caucasian race. The race is extended among the population of the Black Sea coast, namely: Adygs, Abkhazians, Georgians, southern Ukrainians, southern Russian, Moldavians, Romanians, and extends further west to the populations consisting of Poles, Slovakians, Czechs, Hungarians, and in the balkans.
Now lets see what scholars have to say about those Caucasians and their origins...
quote:This in Abkhazia is (so far as I know) the only Negro community in the Old World outside of Africa and the coastlands of the Indian Ocean. It would certainly be a great coincidence that it should be located within a few miles of the Negro community that Herodotus visited, if there is no connection between them. That the Abkhazian Negroes are a surviving remnant of the ancient Colchians seems to be a valid hypothesis.
quote:If there is a tropical African element in the population, there might be a possible connection with the Bantu ethnic prefix Aba- (Ba-), the plural prefix for the grammatical class of human beings. We do not know that the people whom the Greeks called Colchoi called themselves by that name; it is conceivable that they called themselves Aba-Khaz-and that the modern country of Abkhaz (in that case) took its name from them. If so, the syllable "Khaz" is the root or real name of the Abkhazian people and country, as with (e.g.) Ba-Ganda and Bu-Ganda in Africa. The use of quasi-Bantu grammatical classes is a feature of some East Caucasus languages
quote:Among the pre-Israelite inhabitants of Palestine were giants (Anakim)-- and the Nilotic Negroes and black Hamites of northeast Africa are among the world's tallest peoples. Possibly it might not be too far-fetched to connect the (tribal) name of "Anak" with the "Anuak" tribe of Nilotes in the Sudan.
quote:Since St. Jerome wrote circa the end of the fourth century A.D., and Sophronius, Patriarch of Jerusalem, over two centuries later, it seems that this Negro nation in the Caucasus region remained in being for at least a thousand years after Herodotus-and, some three centuries after Sophronius, Istakhri was writing of Black Khazars north of the Caucasus and on the Volga. It may have been in Sophronius' lifetime that the black Abkhazo-Colchians were overwhelmed, for it was about then that the Khazar nation and empire (founded, it may be surmised, by Colchian refugees) began its career.
-CUSHITES, COLCHIANS, AND KHAZARS[Journal of Near Eastern Studies, Vol. 18, No. 1 (Jan., 1959), pp. 49-53] by Patrick T. English
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ...blah,,blah... Problem is though you are quoting 19th century texts which talk about Cushites, Iberians..... who are Caucasoid, but then you claim they are Negroid. It just makes no sense.
Mediterraneans are Caucasoid.
The Med phenotype, a perfect example:
....
Cush also Kush (ksh, ksh)
1. An ancient region of northeast Africa where the biblical descendants of Cush settled. It is often identified with Ethiopia. 2. An ancient kingdom of Nubia in northern Sudan. It flourished from the 11th century b.c. to the 4th century a.d., when its capital fell to the Ethiopians.
quote:If the Colchians were ultimately of African origin, then how, when, and why did their ancestors reach the southern slopes of the western Caucasus?
-CUSHITES, COLCHIANS, AND KHAZARS[Journal of Near Eastern Studies, Vol. 18, No. 1 (Jan., 1959), pp. 49-53] by Patrick T. English
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ...... Problem is though you are quoting 19th century texts which talk about Cushites, Iberians, Mediterraneans etc who are Caucasoid, but then you claim they are Negroid. It just makes no sense. .......
Iberians:
From Harper's Weekly 1899:
The Iberians are believed to have been originally an African race, who thousands of years ago spread themselves through Spain over Western Europe. Their remains are found in the barrows, or burying places, in sundry parts of these countries. The skulls are of low prognathous type. They came to Ireland and mixed with the natives of the South and West, who themselves are supposed to have been of low type and descendants of savages of the Stone Age, who, in consequence of isolation from the rest of the world, had never been out-competed in the healthy struggle of life, and thus made way, according to the laws of nature, for superior races.
Unlike the forum you were banned on above, i don't have a problem with old texts. I collect them. Problem is though you are quoting 19th century texts which talk about Cushites, Iberians, Mediterraneans etc who are Caucasoid, but then you claim they are Negroid. It just makes no sense.
Mediterraneans are Caucasoid.
The Med phenotype, a perfect example:
Catherine Zeta Jones
How on earth is she negroid/black?
So would you like to clarify what you think the mediterranean race is, before we take this further.
Haha. They got EXTREMELY pissed off when I presented them with historical content that ran counter to their fictitious "his-story"...
imagine a supposedly "historical" forum that isn't concerned with history...lol
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Problem is though you are quoting 19th century texts which talk about Cushites, Iberians, Mediterraneans etc who are Caucasoid, but then you claim they are Negroid. It just makes no sense.
CUSHITES, COLCHIANS, AND KHAZARS[Journal of Near Eastern Studies, Vol. 18, No. 1 (Jan., 1959), pp. 49-53] by Patrick T. English
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:CUSHITES, COLCHIANS, AND KHAZARS[Journal of Near Eastern Studies, Vol. 18, No. 1 (Jan., 1959), pp. 49-53] by Patrick T. English
Yep you just missed...
p. 49 -
''John Gunther noted the existance of a small Negro community; he was told that its members were descended from slaves imported from Africa many centuries ago by Georgian princes.''
It was only ever white people who brought blacks to europe and asia as slaves. If it wasn't for slavery, blacks would still be in sub-sahara africa.
Please remember you guys couldn't even make it to your NEAREST ISLAND....
Madagascar was first settled by Indonesian peoples... LOL. You guys couldn't even swim to the nearest island to you. And yet you have this fantasy you colonised the globe.
Take some medication. Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Iberians:
From Harper's Weekly 1899:
Yep.
That's called Nordicism. Through propaganda the Irish & Southern Europeans were considered to be inferior and compared to Negroes. It has no basis in historical or anthropological fact, this was just silly politics. The same way the nazis demonised the jew and considered them a seperate race, when in actual fact Jews are Caucasoid.
Benjamin franklin also considered southern europeans to be ''non-white'' because they had brownier skin.
Are you saying you are a Nordicist now? Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Likewise, Keane, who regards Mauritania as the original home and centre of dispersion, not of the Hamites and Semites only, but of the whole Caucasian race, naturally holds that the Semites are of African origin. In his latest work, he regards south Arabia as the earliest home of the Semites after their migration from African soil, and therefore their point of departure for their several national homes. Riplev, after reviewing the various opinions concludes that "the physical traits of the Arabs fully corroborate Brinton's and Jastrow 's hypothesis of African descent."
-A sketch of Semitic origins, social and religious (1902) by George A. Barton
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Iberians:
From Harper's Weekly 1899:
Yep.
That's called Nordicism. .....blah...blah...blah...
Benjamin franklin also considered southern europeans to be ''non-white'' because they had brownier skin.
Harper's Weekly in 1899 was saying that Iberians are from Africa.
Are you still in any doubts? Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:CUSHITES, COLCHIANS, AND KHAZARS[Journal of Near Eastern Studies, Vol. 18, No. 1 (Jan., 1959), pp. 49-53] by Patrick T. English
Yep you just missed...
p. 49 -
''John Gunther noted the existance of a small Negro community; he was told that its members were descended from slaves imported from Africa many centuries ago by Georgian princes.''
It was only ever white people who brought blacks to europe and asia as slaves. If it wasn't for slavery, blacks would still be in sub-sahara africa.
Please remember you guys couldn't even make it to your NEAREST ISLAND....
Madagascar was first settled by Indonesian peoples... LOL. You guys couldn't even swim to the nearest island to you. And yet you have this fantasy you colonised the globe.
Take some medication.
you are truly pathetic...
You fail to mention the rest...
quote:J. Malte-Brun, however, mentions Sukhum's slave-trade as an export one, in local inhabitants--especially Circassian girls for shipment to Constantinople; he describes Abkhazia as a lawless land of continual slave-raiding by local chiefs.6 Even if Georgian princes or Turkish landowners were ever settled in Abkhazia, it seems unlikely that they would go to the trouble and expense of bringing "coals to Newcastle" by importing slaves from Africa in sufficient numbers to form an enduring community. The "explanations" given for the origin of this community might well be on a par with the "explanation" formerly given for the Andaman Islands Negritos-that they were descended from the cargo of an African slave-ship that had once been wrecked there.
-CUSHITES, COLCHIANS, AND KHAZARS[Journal of Near Eastern Studies, Vol. 18, No. 1 (Jan., 1959), pp. 49-53] by Patrick T. English
The "slaves" were the albinoids who were shipped out of the region...
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:"We now know that our own south African Bushfolk are culturally the same as these long-dead north Africans who spread into Southern Europe. Whether or not they are physically the same is so far impossible to say. His culture, however, can be traced in east Africa and Uganda, and reappears in the Union over the whole of the central portion. The technique of the 'Bushman' paintings is identical with the technique of Spain, the materials used are the same, the same attitudes are seen, and the same disposition to depict action rather than objects."
-Source book for African anthropology (1937) by Wilfrid Dyson Hambly
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Charles Stuart, Black King of Scotland 1630 - 1685 Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Madagascar was first settled by Indonesian peoples... LOL. You guys couldn't even swim to the nearest island to you. And yet you have this fantasy you colonised the globe.
quote:Homelands could not be pinpointed but appeared to comprise two vast areas containing different populations from sub-Saharan Africa and South East Asia
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:You guys couldn't even swim to the nearest island to you. And yet you have this fantasy you colonised the globe.
The probability is, that these black tribes are off-shoots from, the ancient black races of India and Asia, scattered widely by the conquest of others, or their own pursuit of plunder, over the Pacific Islands. A black tribe is known still to exist on the mountains between Cochin-China and Cambodia, called the Moys, which may be a portion of their ancestral people. On some of the many islands which the black nations settled, they were extirpated, or were driven to the mountains, where they are still found; on others, the malarious climate defended them from foreign encroachment, and on others, they became mingled with a different race. Many of the Melanesian tribes present great mixtures of blood.
-The Races of the old world (1863) by Charles Loring Brace
quote:Melanesian (mel-a-ne'shan), a. and n. [ Melanesia (see def.), lit. the islands of the blacks, Gr. , black, + vijaoc, an island.] I. a. Of or belonging to Melanesia or a race inhabiting it
.
-The Century dictionary: an encyclopedic lexicon of the English language, Part 13 (1890) edited by William Dwight Whitney
quote:The Negrito" (i.e., pigmy black) "type," says the authority whom I have just quoted, and to whom I shall have to be still further indebted,* "was first placed in South Asia, which it without doubt occupied alone during an indeterminate period. It is thence that its diverse representatives have radiated, and, some going east, some west, have given rise to the black populations of Melanesia and Africa, In particular, India and Indo-China first belonged to the blacks. Invasions and infiltrations of different yellow or white races have split up these Negrito populations, which formerly occupied a continuous area, and mixing with them, have profoundly altered them.
-A philological essay concerning the pygmies of the ancients (1894) By Edward Tyson
quote:These Oceanic negroes, also termed Negritos, and more properly Papuans 2, have now their stronghold in New Guinea, where indeed they are enabled to retain their old supremacy, as absolute masters of the sea-coast. In other islands, they are found at some distance only from the shore, among the woods and mountain-fastnesses, maintaining their unequal struggles with a different race of settlers and in spite, as it would seem, of all their physical prowess, destined in the end to melt away. Their utter extirpation in particular islands is matter of authentic history.
-CHRIST AND OTHER MASTERS by Charles Hardwick(1882)
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
. .
Some certain individual is petrified with fear as he is frightened by blacks who are proud of their heritage.
His own feeling of worth and value stems from the lie that whites forged the world's civilizations and it sickens him to his stomach to countenance otherwise.
This is why he is an intransigent chump and why he makes up facts to try to convince us that what we know is true is false.
He feels inferior and lives frightened in a deluded world of make-believe and falsity - the not even he believes is really true.
. .
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
The boxes lids and front end-panels have cartouche containing the names and titles of Amenemhat II of the 12th Dynasty identifying, so the archaeologists assumed, the king by whom the treasure had been deposited, perhaps in his father Senusret I's memory. Here before them, evidently, lay a unique deposit of foreign tribute - hailing from as far way as Afghanistan in the east (source of the lapis lazuli) and the Mediterranean world to the west (apparent origin of the silver vessels).
The treasure was divided between Cairo and the Louvre. Because of its early dating and the fact that for several of the pieces contained in the treasure exceptionally close Minoan parallels can be cited. In a study by Barry Kemp and Robert Merrillees, however, it is suggested that the collection is stylistically later than the Middle Kingdom, and that the cache was found not in a sealed, 12th Dynasty context but in a substantially later phase of the temple construction employing antiquated containers.
Sources:
Ian Shaw and Paul Nicholson, The British Museum Dictionary of Ancient Egypt, The British Museum Press. He sent his Armies to get this stuff and more some of his folks for whatever reasons stayed behind and their images and legends were recorded by the Greeks mainly these Herodotus's Colkhis Kemitain comparison For the people of Colchis are evidently Egyptian, and this I perceived for myself before I heard it from others. So when I had come to consider the matter I asked them both; and the Colchians had remembrance of the Egyptians more than the Egyptians of the Colchians; but the Egyptians said they believed that the Colchians were a portion of the army of Sesostris.
the Colchians, Egyptians, and Ethiopians alone of all the races of men have practised circumcision from the first.
They both weave cloth in the same manner
Spoke similar language
Now keep in mind that this was hundreds of years after the events of the 12th dynasty so if Herodotus had find so many blacks there after all those years then it must have been a massive colonization of Africans.
In other words Tinman they came as Conquers and stayed as occupying rulers .
brada, getting back to the thread topic what's you opinion of this whole black Scottish king thing? After all the amazing research from Marc, Iron, and Mike so far how many kings of Scotland are you convinced were full on afro haired soul food loving black people?
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
I had laid out my position before that at least from the early days the families of ex Roman soldiers including Blacks would have formed some sort of elite along with the local elites especially on the Border along both sides of Hadrian's wall this was bourn out by genetic test in certain families today,as for much later Kings or high royals who looked physically Black..I'll pass on that.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: brada, getting back to the thread topic what's you opinion of this whole black Scottish king thing? After all the amazing research from Marc, Iron, and Mike so far how many kings of Scotland are you convinced were full on afro haired soul food loving black people?
Duncey Skant
You are in panic! I can feel it.
But relax, truth is for everyone, both pinks and muurs.
Muur will come... Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
The Badge of the Scottish Morisons Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
Funkcity, Negritos are not Negroid. They are a seperate race.
Your racial typology is just made up, for you its based on ''if its dark skinned - that's us'' mentality which is why you end up clustering Negroids with completely distinct races such as Dravidians, Australoids etc. It's very pathetic.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: I had laid out my position before that at least from the early days the families of ex Roman soldiers including Blacks would have formed some sort of elite along with the local elites especially on the Border along both sides of Hadrian's wall this was bourn out by genetic test in certain families today,as for much later Kings or high royals who looked physically Black..I'll pass on that.
There were no blacks in Roman Britain.
The first appearance of a negro in recorded literature is the 17th century. They only though settled after the 1950's (Empire Windrush).
Blacks are immigrants to Britain and have no ancestral connection.
The only reason blacks have fantasies that there were ancient black britons is because they are living in a white country and they need a reason to justify why they are living with white people in our society. White Supremacist American groups do the same in America and claim native american indians are imposters and that europeans predated them. Afrocentrics are really no different.
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Wow. We went through this time-and-time again:
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Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: The Badge of the Scottish Morisons
The Arms and Badge of the Scottish Murdoch (Muurs)
Note the Black birds
The arms and badges of the Murchisons (Muurs) Note the Black Lions
The black lion, is a specie of black-manned lions which can only be seen in Africa:
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Relinking King Duffus - the black of Scotland
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Funkcity, Negritos are not Negroid. They are a seperate race.
Your racial typology is just made up, for you its based on ''if its dark skinned - that's us'' mentality which is why you end up clustering Negroids with completely distinct races such as Dravidians, Australoids etc. It's very pathetic.
quote: recent dispersal of modern humans out of Africa is now widely accepted, but the routes taken across Eurasia are still disputed. We show that mitochondrial DNA variation in isolated "relict" populations in southeast Asia supports the view that there was only a single dispersal from Africa, most likely via a southern coastal route, through India and onward into southeast Asia and Australasia. There was an early offshoot, leading ultimately to the settlement of the Near East and Europe, but the main dispersal from India to Australia approximately 65,000 years ago was rapid, most likely taking only a few thousand years.
quote: Mitochondrial sequences were retrieved from museum specimens of the enigmatic Andaman Islanders to analyze their evolutionary history. D-loop and protein-coding data reveal that phenotypic similarities with African pygmoid groups are convergent. Genetic and epigenetic data are interpreted as favoring the long-term isolation of the Andamanese, extensive population substructure, and/or two temporally distinct settlements. An early colonization featured populations bearing mtDNA lineage M2, and this lineage is hypothesized to represent the phylogenetic signal of an early southern movement of humans through Asia.
quote:The origin of the Andaman "Negrito" and Nicobar "Mongoloid" populations has been ambiguous. Our analyses of complete mitochondrial DNA sequences from Onges and Great Andaman populations revealed two deeply branching clades that share their most recent common ancestor in founder haplogroup M, with lineages spread among India, Africa, East Asia, New Guinea, and Australia. This distribution suggests that these two clades have likely survived in genetic isolation since the initial settlement of the islands during an out-of-Africa migration by anatomically modern humans. In contrast, Nicobarese sequences illustrate a close genetic relationship with populations from Southeast Asia.
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Cushites have their origins in Arabia, they were Arabid. Racially the Arabid is Mediterranean (Caucasoid).
Arabid (predominant in Arabia, major element from Egypt to Syria, primary in northern Sudan, important in Iraq, predominant element among the Oriental Jews)
quote:From this seemingly continuous technological continuum, Van Peer and Vermeersch [5] conclude, “the Nubian Complex represents a changed Lupemban lithic technology.” As it appears to derive from the Nilotic Lupemban industry of Levallois facies [20] - the northernmost extension of a sub-Saharan industry - the Nubian Complex is now classified as Middle Stone Age (African), rather than Middle Palaeolithic (European and Near Eastern).
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: The Badge of the Scottish Morisons
The Arms and Badge of the Scottish Murdoch (Muurs)
Note the Black birds
The arms and badges of the Murchisons (Muurs) Note the Black Lions
The black lion, is a specie of black-manned lions which can only be seen in Africa:
So true,
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Pre-historic nations; or, Inquiries concerning some of the great peoples and civilizatins of antiquity, and their probable relation to a still older civilization of the Ethiopians or Cushites of Arabia (1874 [c1869]) by John D. Baldwin
A good text. Please check pages 58-59:
''Careful students of antiquity now point out that the people of Ethiopia seem to have been of the caucasian race, meaning white men.''
So once again, i would like to know how this text helps your potty afrocentrism.
Are you now agreeing the Cushites were white?
The Cushitic race as Baldwin discovered was Caucasoid. Its Arabid, falling under the Mediterranean division. Baldwin shows that the Cushites are Arabians, not Africans.
Arabid phenotype -
I presume this is what you would call ''albino''?
Now, tell from what tribe does she stem? lol
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: I had laid out my position before that at least from the early days the families of ex Roman soldiers including Blacks would have formed some sort of elite along with the local elites especially on the Border along both sides of Hadrian's wall this was bourn out by genetic test in certain families today,as for much later Kings or high royals who looked physically Black..I'll pass on that.
There were no blacks in Roman Britain.
The first appearance of a negro in recorded literature is the 17th century. They only though settled after the 1950's (Empire Windrush).
Blacks are immigrants to Britain and have no ancestral connection.
The only reason blacks have fantasies that there were ancient black britons is because they are living in a white country and they need a reason to justify why they are living with white people in our society. White Supremacist American groups do the same in America and claim native american indians are imposters and that europeans predated them. Afrocentrics are really no different.
Sure bag of chickensh*t,
The University's Director of Archaeological Museums, Lindsay Allason-Jones, who has organized an exhibition of the Museum's Romano-African artefacts to coincide with Black History Month, says: 'From the evidence we have here, it is clear that colour was no bar to the status an individual could achieve in the Roman Empire'...
“Africans have been present in Europe from classical times. In the 2nd and 3rd centuries Roman soldiers of African origin served in Britain, and some stayed after their military service ended. According to the historians Fryer, Edwards and Walvin, in the 9th century Viking fleets raided North Africa and Spain, captured Black people, and took them to Britain and Ireland.
From the end of the 15th century we begin to see more evidence for the presence of Black Moors in the accounts of the reign of King James IV of Scotland, and later in Elizabethan England.”
* Source "ANOTHER AFROCENTRIC" lol: The National Archives of Scotland.
"The King Provides Clothes for the Party A variety of fabrics were used to make clothing for the Moors - velvet ('wellus'), woollen kersey ('carsay') and fine Holland linen - which was decorated or fastened with buttons, rings or other ornaments ('mailyeis'). These were paid for by the treasury of King James IV. It seems that these Moors were not servants; it is more likely that they were invited guests staying at the palace. Accounts of the Lord High Treasurer of Scotland, vol. 3, p. 101 (1505)"
"The King Requests an Audience with a Black Baby This extract from the Lord High Treasurer's accounts show that in 1505/6 a payment of 28 shillings was made to 'the nuris that brocht the Moris barne to see, be the Kingis command'. The king must have known of this child to ask to see it." "The child may have been that of the 'More taubronar', the Black drummer at court. Treasury accounts also itemise accommodation for the 'wife of the taubronar and his barne'. This would suggest that the drummer was living at the palace with his family. Accounts of the Lord High Treasurer of Scotland, vol. 3, p. 182 (1505/6)"
This image, an extract from the 60ft-long Westminster Tournament Roll, shows six trumpeters, one of whom is Black and is almost certainly John Blanke. All the trumpeters are wearing yellow and grey, with blue purses at their waists. John Blanke is the only one wearing a brown turban latticed with yellow. He is mounted on a grey horse with a black harness.
The image of who they speak...so let us make no mistake about it. lol
Westminster Tournament Roll (1511) By permission of The College of Arms, London
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: [QB] . .
Wow. We went through this time-and-time again:
Marc none of those are pictures of Negroids.
You get photos of white people and then claim they are black. This is why no one ever takes you serious.
Didn't you before claim Henry VIII was a ''black man'' based on his portraits?
Here is Henry VIII
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
Iron. Mike. Brad. Brothers. Check-out this dynamite article my brother put together back in 2003. I don't know if he summarized someone else' work or did it independently. Whatever the source, it's bad. Check it out.
BLACKS IN MYTHOLOGY AND THEIR INFLUENCE ON THE GREEKS AND ROMANS
FEBRUARY 2003
Even before Romulus, the son of Mars founded Rome in 735 B.C., the ancient capital of Cush (Ethiopia) was thriving along the Nile River. Blacks and Ethiopia have been mentioned favorably, reverently and more than any other nations. Most of the gods of Greece had African origins. Herodotus the most famous and most thorough of Greek historians said, “Almost all of the names of Greek gods came into Greece from Egypt.” (Egypt has been described as the daughter of Ethiopia.). Zeus the father of all gods was of Ethiopian ancestry. Zeus sired a mulatto son named Epaphus. Famed tragic poet Aschylus said of Zeus, “and thou shall bring forth Black Epaphus.” Io bore him after she arrived at the banks of the Nile. One of the titles of Zeus was Ethiop, which meant black. Hercules had African origins. The Goddess Diana of Attica was black and Ethiopian. It was Apollo who took her away from her country. It was the Greek city of Corinth where a Black Venus was adorned and worshipped. The black virgin Isis was worshipped many centuries after the advent of Christianity. Processions to her honor marched through the streets of Rome as late as 394 A.D. evidently; African women became the favorite of Greek poets. Some writers contend that ancient Greeks chose an African princess to represent Minerva, their goddess of wisdom.
Ethopians are found in Homer’s Illiad and Oddesy, as well as in the works of Euripides, Herodotus, Aeschylus and Hesoid. Homer stressed that black Ethiopians were the dominant people in India, Asia and in their own country. After the age of Pericles, the fifth century before Christ, classical literature reached its peak. Ethiopia and its people were favorite and familiar topics with leading poets, historians and geographers.
Africans were called the favorites of gods and the most just of men. According to Dr. William Metford, in his book History of Greece, there were Ethiopian colonies in Greece. The oracle of Delphi had Negroid features. History remembers the Ethiopian king from Meroe who came to aid the Trojans in the defense of Troy. George Wells Parker claims that the great Greek years were due to African influence. We have seals of Queen Tiyi, the Sudanese grandmother of Tutankhamen, and Axamenophis III, his grandfather. These seals describe the Greek civilization and also told of the Blacks who educated the Greeks. Thucydides claims that Attica was founded by an African named Cecrops. Great Greek scholars and scientist who were taught by black Africans and Egyptians included Thales of Miletus, Pythagoras of Samos, Archimedes of Sicily, Diodorus, Homer, Solon, Aristotle and Lycurgas. Euphorus (405 B.C.) was so impressed that he called them the most mighty and numerous people of the known world. Herodotus said, “That country (Egypt) contains more wonders than any other country and may vie with all other regions in the work it exhibits, admirable beyond the powers of description.” Diodorus says, “Egypt excels all other places in magnificent structures.” Philostrates referred to Blacks as “Charming Ethiopians with wooly hair.” Democrates learned astrology in Egypt and the Greeks learned agriculture and lettering from the Egyptians. Telecles and Theodorus learned sculpture.
From the beginning of the Punic Wars (264 B.C.), through Rome’s mightiest years until its decline, Blacks had an active role in Roman society. They were citizens, soldiers, military leaders, teachers, writers, slaves, chariot drivers and racers and artisans. Romans designed, printed and distributed coins bearing African heads during the reign of Caesar Agustus. They were used until the fourth century after Christ. The great sport of Romans involving wild animals mean that the tigers, lions, panthers were shipped to Rome from Africa. There were at least two African born Roman generals. One of them is said to have become Emperor of Rome, the Sudanese Septimus Severus. He was the first native African to rule this expansive empire. Roman coins, which were skillfully made, showed the expression of Severus as being somber. These coins were circulated until the forth century after Christ. Septimus died dramatically in 211 A.D. at York in Britain. It is written that Septimus asked to see the urn that would contain his own ashes after his death and cremation. Septimus spoke to the urn and said, “you are about to contain the ashes of a man for whom the world was too small.” Lucius Quietus also a Sudanese, served under Emperor Marcus Ulpius Trajanus (98-117 A.D.).
So as we investigate the history of Blacks and Africans, we see that they hold significant places in throughout time in world history. They were gods who were worshipped outside of their own country. They had positive influence inside and outside of their country They were respected as historians, teachers, artisans, military persons. They were respected as people.
Kemah C. Washington “February 2003”
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Africans have been present in Europe from classical times. In the 2nd and 3rd centuries Roman soldiers of African origin served in Britain, and some stayed after their military service ended.
African does not = Negroid.
Africa has been inhabited by many different races.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Africans have been present in Europe from classical times. In the 2nd and 3rd centuries Roman soldiers of African origin served in Britain, and some stayed after their military service ended.
African does not = Negroid.
Africa has been inhabited by many different races.
If you were true an educated person you would know by know that they have found specific DNA of West Africa tribes. In moderday Britsh who look "white"/ European.
But since you are just a "nutter" dummy. You lack this basic knowledge.
There is not such thing a negro tribe btw. And as I have explain many times to you, which actually was a waste of time and space. Africa has not many races. Mankind is one race, mutated from one root. And all Africans have the same basal. It's called PN2 clade, mutation is because of environmental conditions. This part of science flies of your head, it's too complex for you to comprehend.
Anyway, these are North Africans. So you lose again, loser!
Sad is you actually think you're smart. lol
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
^ wrong.
Native Berbers, such as Kaybles look like this -
Those that have Negroid traits just have recent sub-saharan african admixture. The original Berber phenotype is retained by many Kabyles today as seen above. They are Caucasoid and can pass as Southern Europeans.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ wrong.
Native Berbers, such as Kaybles look like this -
..... blah..blah..blah...
Shut your piss-hole and put up!
Here I gonna help you learn to read!
See below:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ...... Problem is though you are quoting 19th century texts which talk about Cushites, Iberians, Mediterraneans etc who are Caucasoid, but then you claim they are Negroid. It just makes no sense. .......
Iberians:
From Harper's Weekly 1899:
The Iberians are believed to have been originally an African race, who thousands of years ago spread themselves through Spain over Western Europe. Their remains are found in the barrows, or burying places, in sundry parts of these countries. The skulls are of low prognathous type. They came to Ireland and mixed with the natives of the South and West, who themselves are supposed to have been of low type and descendants of savages of the Stone Age, who, in consequence of isolation from the rest of the world, had never been out-competed in the healthy struggle of life, and thus made way, according to the laws of nature, for superior races.
Those that have Negroid traits just have recent sub-saharan african admixture. The original Berber phenotype is retained by many Kabyles today as seen above. They are Caucasoid and can pass as Southern Europeans.
See, this is why I call you what you are. DUMB.
There is not just one perticulair phenotype of Berbers. You yourself the dumb ass state that they are Kabyles. The people you show are intermediate Africans. Meaning they have heavy addmixture. But in particular the one you show are scares. And certainly not the majority.
There basal is the same as all other Africans, PN2 clade. This part you can't get in that dumb head of yours.
Plus the people you show in the pictures are predomantly of Vandalic descent and South European like during the Roman invasion etc...dummy.
This is what the average Berber looks like,
Now here is a close up, of one of the pictures with the many girls.
There is a reason why their hair is thick and curly. Those that haven't had their hair straightened out. This is common amongst African women. And yes, also in the North.
Now here is a little secret I will give a way, they also have similar body-types as other African women. lol
Have a look at their facial traits.lol
They are a people who are related to East Africans. This is evident in their language, phenotype, culture etc...
See, Northwest Africans are predominantly E-81, whereas a small portion of South Europeans is E-V13. These are not the same and have no direct relation to each other.
You lose big time here clown.
You were born to lose, this is why you are a loser. Go cry it off somewhere in a corner.
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ wrong.
Native Berbers, such as Kaybles look like this -
Those that have Negroid traits just have recent sub-saharan african admixture. The original Berber phenotype is retained by many Kabyles today as seen above. They are Caucasoid and can pass as Southern Europeans.
you do know that, for centuries white europeans were transported to North Africa as SLAVES...
This name was at first applied to the captives from Slavonic Europe whom the East Franks and Byzantines sold as slaves to the Saracens. Then it was used to designate also Italians and others who were captured by Saracen pirates or purchased as children by Jewish slave-traders. Finally it came to denote all foreigners in the service of the caliph, whether as retainers in his bodyguard, eunuchs in his harem, or officials at his court.
-The History Of Medieval Europe (1917) by Lynn Thorndike
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: BLACKS IN MYTHOLOGY AND THEIR INFLUENCE ON THE GREEKS AND ROMANS
Can you explain why virtually every greek god or goddess is described as blonde (xanthos) and white skinned (leukos) if they were black?
Pyrrha the mother of Hellen (the eponymous founder of the Hellenes) had red-golden hair (flavam religas comam) as described by Horace (Carm. i. 5) while her son Xuthus also derived his name from his fair hair (xanthe or xanthos). The ancient Greek lyric poet Pindar wrote that the hair of the Achaeans (Danaoi) was blonde (Nem. ix. 18). [1] [2] According to the renowned scholar Henry Liddell in his A Greek-English Lexicon (Oxford, Clarendon Press, 1940) xanthos is defined as a yellow, of various shades, freq. with a tinge of red, brown, auburn. The extent of ''the shade of'' depends on the ancient Greek region or locality, since different shades of fair or yellow were known. An ancient fragment from Theophastrus for example reveals that the Spartans knew xanthon to be a whitish-yellow (e.g. fair or platinum blonde). [3] Homer however applied xanthos to a range of non-dark hair colours: auburn to blonde, chestnut (reddish-brown) and fulvious (dull yellow) shades. [4] Cambridge Ancient History (1928, vol. 2, pp. 22-23) thus defines the term xanthos as any fair shade short of a dark colour (e.g. blonde to auburn).
Classicists however have easily demonstrated that in most instances the word xanthos is applied in ancient Greek literature to standard yellow or blonde. [5]
Bacchylides wrote that the hair of the Spartans was blonde (Dith. xx. 2) while also noting of the golden hair of athletes at the Nemean Games (Ep. ix. 23). The Spartans were the Dorians (Heracleidae) who claimed descent from Heracles. According to Euripides, Heracles was yellow haired (Her. 234, 360 ff) while Pausanias (ix. 34. 5) describes his eyes as ''bright'' e.g. light blue (charops). Baccylides also describes the hair of the Athenian foot race champion Aglaos as blonde (Ep. x. 16). [6]
The poet Euripides himself is described of the fair type with freckles (Vita Eurip. 25f).
The 7th century BC Spartan poet Alcman describes his cousin Hegesichora as golden (khrusos) haired (fragment 13. 54-55 Bergk) while the Spartan poetess Megalostrata as a ''blonde-haired maiden'' (fragment 37. Bergk). Menelaus, the legendary ruler of pre-Dorian Sparta is called xanthos throughout Homer's texts (Il. ii. 284; iii. 434; Od. i. 280; iii. 168) and this was a tradition that continued into late antiquity as Tatian in the 2nd century AD described Menelaus' hair as flaxen yellow (Address to the Greeks, 10). Eustathius (c. 1115) in his commentary on the Odyssey wrote that: ''Rhadamanthys is golden haired, out of compliment to Menelaos, for Menelaos had golden hair'' (Eustath. ad Hom. iv. 564).
Sappho (who was of aristocratic origin) was dark haired (Alcaeus. fragment 55 Bergk) but her daughter Cleis is described as ''a girl whose hair is yellower than torchlight'' (Sappho. fragment 98a). [7] Furthermore Sappho's eldest brother Charaxus is found described in Ovid as golden (flava) haired (Met. xii. 210). It seems then that although Sappho herself was brunette, most members of her family were in fact blonde which confirms the dominant blonde strain of the Greek aristoi. Critias, a noble Athenian oligarch and the uncle of Plato is also described as having blonde hair (Arist. Rh. i. 15. 1375b33; Proclus. On the Timaeus. i. 81. 27 Diehl). Aleuas the eponymous founder of the royal Thessalian Aleuadae family was as well fair haired (Schol. Apollon. Argon. iii. 1190). [8] Ptolemy II Philadelphus was another blonde (Theoc. Id. xvii). [9]
The Greek tryrant ruler Dionysius I of Syracuse (d. 367 BC) had yellow hair and freckles (Val. Max. i. 7. 6). Aspasia (fl. 415 BC) a priestess [10] from Phocaea and the favourite concubine of the Persian prince Cyrus the Younger was blonde haired, the ancient writer Aelian describes her as thus: ''Of hair yellow, locks a little curling... skin delicate, complexion like roses'' (Varia Historia, xii. 1).
Professor of Ethnography Wilhelm Sieglin (1855 - 1935) in his Die blonden Haare der indogermanischen Völker des Altertums compiled many more classical references to blonde haired Greek individuals. For references to fair haired Greek Gods see my collection of these sources. [11]
Notes & References
[1] The Odes of Pindar, Penguin Classics, 1969, p. 118.
[2] Who were the Greeks? John Linton Myres, University of California Press, 1967, p. 195.
[3] Ibid, see footnote 62 quoting from Theophastrus.
[4] Horses in the Iliad are called xanthe or xanthos and so as the scholar Cyrus Herzl Gordon has noted ''The colour xanthos as applied to heroes like Achilles probably means reddish brown (rather than "fair" or "blond") because it is also applied to horses where it seems to designate "sorrel" (Before the Bible, 1973, p. 231).
[5] The ancient Greeks called the herb xanthium strumarium, a hair dye which turned dark hair light yellow, certianly not any shade or auburn, brown or red (see Myres, 1967, p. 194).
[6] Die blonden Haare der indogermanischen Völker des Altertums,Wilhelm Sieglin, 1935.
[7] Vv. 1-12: (Papyrus Hauniensis), Sappho: A New Translation, University of California Press, 1958.
[8] A Classical Dictionary, Charles Anthon, Vol. ii, 1888, p. 1431.
[9] Quoted in A History of Ancient Greece, Claude Orrieux, 1999, p. 340.
[10] Though Aspasia's family was poor, she was from a well educated priestly class.
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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
As we can see most of the Kabley live at the coast, where Vandals and other entered Africa.
"We conclude that the origins and maternal diversity of Berber populations are old and complex, and these communities bear genetic characteristics resulting from various events of gene flow with surrounding and migrating populations."
"The Berber tribes were far removed from each other and this was one reason why Morocco was often invaded".....
"Frigi et al.(2010) suggest these possibilities as factors in their consideration of the asymmetric assimilation of females of non-African origin into Berber-speaking populations whose males currently have a predominance of lineages defined by the African M35/81 biallelic marker.
Quote; whose males currently have a predominance of lineages defined by the African M35/81 biallelic marker.
Predominance of lineages defined by "the African M35/81 biallelic marker."
It is interesting that these “non-African”mtDNA lineages are usually predominant while being diverse (Coudray et al. 2009; Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2004; Khodjet-el-Khil et al. 2008).
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by funkcity1000:
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ wrong.
Native Berbers, such as Kaybles look like this -
Those that have Negroid traits just have recent sub-saharan african admixture. The original Berber phenotype is retained by many Kabyles today as seen above. They are Caucasoid and can pass as Southern Europeans.
you do know that, for centuries white europeans were transported to North Africa as SLAVES...
This name was at first applied to the captives from Slavonic Europe whom the East Franks and Byzantines sold as slaves to the Saracens. Then it was used to designate also Italians and others who were captured by Saracen pirates or purchased as children by Jewish slave-traders. Finally it came to denote all foreigners in the service of the caliph, whether as retainers in his bodyguard, eunuchs in his harem, or officials at his court.
-The History Of Medieval Europe (1917) by Lynn Thorndike
Yes this is true, the same was also during the Islamic expansion when Arabs took them to North Africa and the Middle East. Known as the Saqaliba. Then came the Ottomans who took them to North Africa the Middle East and Asia. Known as the Mamluk.
I am sure Greeks and Romans did the same...
quote:
slave (slv) n. 1. One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household. 2. One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence: "I was still the slave of education and prejudice" (Edward Gibbon). 3. One who works extremely hard. 4. A machine or component controlled by another machine or component. intr.v. slaved, slav·ing, slaves 1. To work very hard or doggedly; toil. 2. To trade in or transport slaves. [Middle English sclave, from Old French esclave, from Medieval Latin sclvus, from Sclvus, Slav (from the widespread enslavement of captured Slavs in the early Middle Ages); see Slav.]
Word History: The derivation of the word slave encapsulates a bit of European history and explains why the two words slaves and Slavs are so similar; they are, in fact, historically identical. The word slave first appears in English around 1290, spelled sclave. The spelling is based on Old French esclave from Medieval Latin sclavus, "Slav, slave," first recorded around 800. Sclavus comes from Byzantine Greek sklabos (pronounced sklävs) "Slav," which appears around 580. Sklavos approximates the Slavs' own name for themselves, the Slovnci, surviving in English Slovene and Slovenian. The spelling of English slave, closer to its original Slavic form, first appears in English in 1538. Slavs became slaves around the beginning of the ninth century when the Holy Roman Empire tried to stabilize a German-Slav frontier. By the 12th century stabilization had given way to wars of expansion and extermination that did not end until the Poles crushed the Teutonic Knights at Grunwald in 1410. · As far as the Slavs' own self-designation goes, its meaning is, understandably, better than "slave"; it comes from the Indo-European root *kleu-, whose basic meaning is "to hear" and occurs in many derivatives meaning "renown, fame." The Slavs are thus "the famous people." Slavic names ending in -slav incorporate the same word, such as Czech Bohu-slav, "God's fame," Russian Msti-slav, "vengeful fame," and Polish Stani-slaw, "famous for withstanding (enemies)."
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
The Alaouite Dynasty is the name of the current Moroccan royal family. The name Alaouite comes from its founder Moulay Ali Cherif who became Sultan of Tafilalt in 1631. His son Mulay r-Rshid (1664–1672) was able to unite and pacify the country. The Alaouite family claim descent from Muhammad through the line of Fātimah az-Zahrah, Muhammad's daughter, and her husband, the Fourth Caliph ‘Alī ibn Abī ālib. According to some legends the Alaouites entered Morocco at the end of the 13th century when Al Hassan Addakhil, who lived then in the town of Yanbu in the Hejaz, was brought to Morocco by the inhabitants of Tafilalet to be their imām. They were hoping that, as he was a descendant of Muhammad, his presence would help to improve their date palm crops.
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Some certain individual is petrified with fear as he is frightened by blacks who are proud of their heritage.
His own feeling of worth and value stems from the lie that whites forged the world's civilizations and it sickens him to his stomach to countenance otherwise.
This is why he is an intransigent chump and why he makes up facts to try to convince us that what we know is true is false. He feels inferior and lives frightened in a deluded world of make-believe and falsity – that not even he believes is true.
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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
The Black Macraes of Scotland
“MacRitchie (a very well educated and wise scottish man), states that ‘the legends and the history of the Scottish highlands are both witnesses to the existence of a purely black people there.’
Boswell and Dr. Johnson saw descendants of these black people when they visited Scotland. In his “Journey to the Hebrides, September 1, 1773, Boswell wrote of one clan, the McCraes , ’some were as black and wild in their appearance as any American savages, whatsoever.’
My notes: The only black lion near scotland comes from Ethiopia. The original Macraes were said to be black as savages and they had a black lion banner. Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^^According to tradition, one of the prominent ancestors of the Macraes from Kintail was Fionnla Dubh mac Gillechriosd, According to John Macrae, Fionnla Dubh mac Gillechriosd was about two, or three, generations removed from the Macrae who settled in Kintail from Clunes. Alexander Macrae stated that Fionnla Dubh was a contemporary of Murdo Mackenzie, fifth chief of the Mackenzies of Kintail.
NB: In Gaelic, Dubh means Black, like in King Kenneth Dubh or Kenneth the Black.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
^ Exotic animals used to live in Britain when it was connected to europe prior to around 10,000 bc. They have found remains of extinct forms of lions etc all across Scotland, Wales, England.
So the afronut repeated claim that the appearance of a lion supports an african presence in britain is rubbish.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^Retard
Learn to read. Here I gonna help you once more:
Iberians:
From Harper's Weekly 1899:
The Iberians are believed to have been originally an African race, who thousands of years ago spread themselves through Spain over Western Europe. Their remains are found in the barrows, or burying places, in sundry parts of these countries. The skulls are of low prognathous type. They came to Ireland and mixed with the natives of the South and West, who themselves are supposed to have been of low type and descendants of savages of the Stone Age, who, in consequence of isolation from the rest of the world, had never been out-competed in the healthy struggle of life, and thus made way, according to the laws of nature, for superior races.
Iberians, as their modern descendants are Caucasoid.
I don't see how a crackpot non-scientific 112 year old article from a newspaper is relevant, but that's all you afronuts have.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^LOL @ the deluded chump!
Typically albino lies and denials...
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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[Someone incredulously wrote]Iberians, as their modern descendants are Caucasoid.
Some certain individual is petrified with fear as he is frightened by blacks who are proud of their heritage.
His own feeling of worth and value stems from the lie that whites forged the world's civilizations and it sickens him to his stomach to countenance otherwise.
This is why he is an intransigent chump and why he makes up facts to try to convince us that what we know is true is false. He feels inferior and lives frightened in a deluded world of make-believe and falsity – that not even he believes is really true.
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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ Exotic animals used to live in Britain when it was connected to europe prior to around 10,000 bc. They have found remains of extinct forms of lions etc all across Scotland, Wales, England.
So the afronut repeated claim that the appearance of a lion supports an african presence in britain is rubbish.
In case you don't know, there was an ice age, in fact more than on one occasion. Even when it stared to get warmer it still had cold intervals. It was too cold for exotic animals during that particular time you've mentioned. Even the word exotic implies something foreign. lol
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:THE NEGROID
Lowest among the varied types of man are the so called Negroid races. Men sometimes speak of the Black races of the earth as races yet in their infancy with their race flowering still before them. But history shows instead, that they are, on the contrary, races that are retreating and retrograding. They once occupied a much wider territory and wielded a vastly greater influence upon earth than they do now. They are now found chiefly in Africa; yet traces of them are to be found through the islands of Malaysia, remnants no doubt of that more numerous black population which seems to have occupied tropical Asia before the days of the Semite and the Mongol and the Brahmanic Aryan, Back in the centuries which are scarcely historic, where history gives indeed only vague hintings, are traces of a wide-spread primitive civilization, crude, imperfect, garish, barbaric, yet ruling the world of that age from its seats of power in upon the highlands of Africa, and of a type far in advance of anything the present can show in that land. the valleys of the Ganges, the Euphrates and the Nile; and it was of the Black Races. The first Babylon seems to have been built by a Negroid race. The earliest Egyptian civilization seems to have been Negroid. It was in the days before the Semite was known in either land. The Black seems to have built up empire, such as it was, by the waters of the Ganges before Mongol or Aryan. There are evidences of such primitive empire upon the highlands of Africa, and of a type far in advance of anything the present can show in that land.
-Race life of the Aryan peoples. Vol. 2 (1907) by Joseph Pomeroy Widney
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
I heard one of the Scottish kings was 3/4 Chinese is it true?
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Lion and Mike, here are some coins with Mary Queen of the Scotts, one as a six year-old and the other a coronation coin when she married to Lord Darnley in the 16th century:
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Posted by malibudusul (Member # 19346) on :
Roman pottery lamp with African head excavated in London now at the Museum of London
The 1,700 year old male skeleton of African decent has been discovered buried in Stratford-upon-Avon and indicates that people from Africa have been living in Warwickshire for far longer than previously thought. One of the many theories is that the man was a former Roman soldier who chose to retire in Stratford about 1,700 years ago.
Malin Holst of York Osteoarchaeology Ltd explained how she had identified elements of the mature African male skeleton in bones unearthed from a Roman period cemetery in Stratford-upon-Avon.
The man's teeth showed evidence of illness in childhood and abscess before death.
Stuart Palmer of Warwickshire County Council’s ‘Archaeology Warwickshire’ is studying the find, and said: “African skeletons have previously been found in large Romano-British towns like York and African units are known to have formed part of the Hadrian’s Wall garrison, but we had no reason to expect any in Warwickshire and certainly not in a community as small as Roman Stratford.”
The skeletal remains revealed that the man was heavily built and the bones in his central spine showed he was used to carrying heavy loads. Curved dental wear in the upper jaw was probably related to a task he regularly performed with his teeth.
An injury to his shoulder must have been all the worse for his arthritis which was also evident in his hips and lower back. Before he died he suffered from a severe inflammation of the right shin and a painful infection from a dental abscess made his last moments a misery.
Further analysis of his teeth showed that his childhood was plagued by disease or malnutrition, however, the final cause of his death is still a mystery.
Currently there is no evidence to suggest where exactly he was born – though he is definitely of African descent – and whether he was from North Africa or sub Saharan Africa. There is still much work to be done to find out more about his birth, life and death; he could for instance have been a merchant, though, based on the evidence of the skeletal pathology it is more likely that he was a person who was used to manual labour.
There is no direct evidence to suggest he was a slave, and none that can link him with being a veteran soldier who has been given land to farm on his retirement from the army. Studies in York for example show the African population in this Roman town was more likely to be from a well off group in society, than any of the other lower orders.
Investigation into the man’s background is continuing and analysis of oxygen and strontium isotopes within his teeth might shed further light on his early life, but there is currently no funding available for such work. Without this, his story, which is one that stirs the imagination, may remain forever a mystery.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
the Edward's method:
look at a coin or medallion good condition
Ignore that version, throw it away if possible
Now take the same coin type but find one where the surface is heavily worn down. The wear is actually a good thing it flattens out the nose to it's proper orientation
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: the Edward's method:
look at a coin or medallion good condition
Ignore that version, throw it away if possible
Now take the same coin type but find one where the surface is heavily worn down. whiny whiny whiineee...
Skant
Quit the nagging. Many old Scottish Kings were blacks. King Kenneth Dubh, for example. Many Scottish clans were made up of black britons at an earlier time. The black Douglas were another set of aboriginal black scots. Then the Morays, or Muur-rays, then the Dugals, and so forth and so on.
Now go to a corner and sit quietly and use your mind for better things.
I read. The white people do not think about the possibility of the "African" be a native of Europe. They invent absurd theories. The truth is coming out. It is evident that the black are native to Europe. when they will admit?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Malibudusul
The pinks know they are not from Europe although they pretend. They know they are exiled Asians who got lucky. They know blacks are the owners of Europe.
That is why they give you all the talks about de-pigmentation...rerere... as the source of their origin.
Like Mike would say, they are Asian albinos, who came into Europe, Africa, and Americas, the land of the Muurs, and stole it away.
But what goes around comes around. Time will tell!
Posted by funkcity1000 (Member # 19709) on :
quote:IBERIANS
for this short, dark dolichocephalic type we may adopt the usual and convenient name "Iberian." Professor Rolleston prefers the term- Silurian," and it has been variously designated by other writers as the Euskarian, Basque, Berber, or Mediterranean race. By some French writers it is ca led the " Cro-Magnon type" from a skull, Probably of paleolithic age, found in a sepulchral cavern at CroMagnon in Perigord Before the arrival of the brachycephalic Ligurian race, the Iberians ranged over the greater part of France. We trace them in the valleys of the Seine, the Oise, and the Marne, frequently in association with he remains of the Liguurian invaders. If, as seems probable we may identify them with the Aquitani, one of the three races which occupied Gaul in the time of Caesar, they must have retreated to the neighbourhood of the Pyrenees before the beginning of the historic period. It is in this region mainly in the valley of the Garonne, that their sepulchral caves are the most numerous. . . . The Iberians, a short Southern dolichocephalic race, represented in the long barrows of Britain and the sepulchral caves of France and Spain. The stature averaged 5 feet 4 inches and the cephalic index 71 to 74. They were orthognathous and swarthy. They are now represented by some of the Welsh and Irish, by the Corsicans, and by the Spanish Basques. Their affinities are African.
-The Century cyclopedia of names : a pronouncing and etymological dictionary of names in geography, biography, mythology, history, ethnology, art, archaeology, fiction, etc., etc., etc. (1903) by Benjamin Eli Smith
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
IronLoin I am glad you posted the above info on the Afro-Roman blk soldiers,for apart from any aboriginal blks still present in the British isles at the time I think they provided an earlier source for at-least some of those Black Euro high born.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Yes I Brada, but actually Malibudusul found that link. I just copied and posted.
Africans have been migrating to Europe since the beginning of time to now and the future.
African blackbirds (real birds) from Ethiopia migrate to Europe in the summer and return to Africa in the winter.
African blackmen,have migrated to Europe, just same way, since the beginning of time.
That is why, the neolithic skeletal remains of Europe's inhabitants were those of black African people.
Knowledge is cumulative as Dr. Winters love to say.
Let each one, teach ones.
One love!
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote: In the 1800s, many Caucasian people believed that the Irish were somehow related to Africans.
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In 1862, John Beddoe, an esteemed ethnologist, published Races of Britain in which he described those of Celtic descent as having features similar to those of African descent...
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: Why do these 9,000 year old plastered skulls from the Middle East have basic features common among the average European? If these features were commonplace in the Middle East 9,000 years ago, then what the hell were a bunch of negroes doing running around Europe at the same time and a long time thereafter? I mean, the word for today people is, commonsense.lol
Come-on Simple Girl, you're a degenerate lying Albino, so surely you must know what other degenerate lying Albinos are capable of - you know, fake artifacts - LYING!
Skulls from Jericho PPNB, ca. 7000? , under house floor, human skulls covered with plaster and with cowrie shell inlays
You still lying & trying to steal what isn't yours Mikey boy? You white people hating black racist half wit & your clan of white people hating history stealing black racist half wits with you. Stop trying to demonize, dehumanize us. Stop trying to strip us of our history, our heritage, our identity, our homeland.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^^For the idiot above. Learn to read. Quit the meth.
Here:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by malibudusul: African Roman living in Stratford 1700 years ago | Past Horizons
The 1,700 year old male skeleton of African decent has been discovered buried in Stratford-upon-Avon and indicates that people from Africa have been living in Warwickshire for far longer than previously thought. One of the many theories is that the man was a former Roman soldier who chose to retire in Stratford about 1,700 years ago.
Malin Holst of York Osteoarchaeology Ltd explained how she had identified elements of the mature African male skeleton in bones unearthed from a Roman period cemetery in Stratford-upon-Avon.
The man's teeth showed evidence of illness in childhood and abscess before death.
Stuart Palmer of Warwickshire County Council’s ‘Archaeology Warwickshire’ is studying the find, and said: “African skeletons have previously been found in large Romano-British towns like York and African units are known to have formed part of the Hadrian’s Wall garrison, but we had no reason to expect any in Warwickshire and certainly not in a community as small as Roman Stratford.”
The skeletal remains revealed that the man was heavily built and the bones in his central spine showed he was used to carrying heavy loads. Curved dental wear in the upper jaw was probably related to a task he regularly performed with his teeth.
An injury to his shoulder must have been all the worse for his arthritis which was also evident in his hips and lower back. Before he died he suffered from a severe inflammation of the right shin and a painful infection from a dental abscess made his last moments a misery.
Further analysis of his teeth showed that his childhood was plagued by disease or malnutrition, however, the final cause of his death is still a mystery.
Currently there is no evidence to suggest where exactly he was born – though he is definitely of African descent – and whether he was from North Africa or sub Saharan Africa. There is still much work to be done to find out more about his birth, life and death; he could for instance have been a merchant, though, based on the evidence of the skeletal pathology it is more likely that he was a person who was used to manual labour.
There is no direct evidence to suggest he was a slave, and none that can link him with being a veteran soldier who has been given land to farm on his retirement from the army. Studies in York for example show the African population in this Roman town was more likely to be from a well off group in society, than any of the other lower orders.
Investigation into the man’s background is continuing and analysis of oxygen and strontium isotopes within his teeth might shed further light on his early life, but there is currently no funding available for such work. Without this, his story, which is one that stirs the imagination, may remain forever a mystery.
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ^^For the idiot above. Learn to read. Quit the meth.
Here:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by malibudusul: African Roman living in Stratford 1700 years ago | Past Horizons
The 1,700 year old male skeleton of African decent has been discovered buried in Stratford-upon-Avon and indicates that people from Africa have been living in Warwickshire for far longer than previously thought. One of the many theories is that the man was a former Roman soldier who chose to retire in Stratford about 1,700 years ago.
Malin Holst of York Osteoarchaeology Ltd explained how she had identified elements of the mature African male skeleton in bones unearthed from a Roman period cemetery in Stratford-upon-Avon.
The man's teeth showed evidence of illness in childhood and abscess before death.
Stuart Palmer of Warwickshire County Council’s ‘Archaeology Warwickshire’ is studying the find, and said: “African skeletons have previously been found in large Romano-British towns like York and African units are known to have formed part of the Hadrian’s Wall garrison, but we had no reason to expect any in Warwickshire and certainly not in a community as small as Roman Stratford.”
The skeletal remains revealed that the man was heavily built and the bones in his central spine showed he was used to carrying heavy loads. Curved dental wear in the upper jaw was probably related to a task he regularly performed with his teeth.
An injury to his shoulder must have been all the worse for his arthritis which was also evident in his hips and lower back. Before he died he suffered from a severe inflammation of the right shin and a painful infection from a dental abscess made his last moments a misery.
Further analysis of his teeth showed that his childhood was plagued by disease or malnutrition, however, the final cause of his death is still a mystery.
Currently there is no evidence to suggest where exactly he was born – though he is definitely of African descent – and whether he was from North Africa or sub Saharan Africa. There is still much work to be done to find out more about his birth, life and death; he could for instance have been a merchant, though, based on the evidence of the skeletal pathology it is more likely that he was a person who was used to manual labour.
There is no direct evidence to suggest he was a slave, and none that can link him with being a veteran soldier who has been given land to farm on his retirement from the army. Studies in York for example show the African population in this Roman town was more likely to be from a well off group in society, than any of the other lower orders.
Investigation into the man’s background is continuing and analysis of oxygen and strontium isotopes within his teeth might shed further light on his early life, but there is currently no funding available for such work. Without this, his story, which is one that stirs the imagination, may remain forever a mystery.
First of all white people hating black racist, history stealing twat, I can read just fine thank you. LOL, For me to lay off the meth, I'd actually be having to do meth & I don't do any kind of drugs, don't even drink alcohol for that matter. European history is OUR history, our heritage, Europe is OUR homeland & you can't have it.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^Shuush, simple idiot.
We know it is you no matter how many name changes you make. You apine blattering is always the same, never changes... LMBAO!
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ^Shuush, simple idiot.
We know it is you no matter how many name changes you make. You apine blattering is always the same, never changes... LMBAO!
IronLion, I don't know who you think I am LOL, but I assure you whoever you think I am I am not. I'm a white female who is proud of my heritage & will not allow ignorant history stealing racist blacks like you to steal what is MY birth right.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ^Shuush, simple idiot.
We know it is you no matter how many name changes you make. You apine blattering is always the same, never changes... LMBAO!
IronLion, I don't know who you think I am LOL, but I assure you whoever you think I am I am not. I'm a white female who is proud of my heritage & will not allow ignorant history stealing racist blacks like you to steal what is MY birth right.
If you're not of Northwest African descent, you need to stop claiming it as if it's yours. Stop stealing it as "your" heritage.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: European history is OUR history, our heritage, Europe is OUR homeland & you can't have it.
DHDoxies - I assume you say that out of ignorance. I would suggest that you actually study European history - or rather the artifacts and ancient history as written by other than the degenerate lying Albino bastards of today.
Why do I use such strong language?
Note the text accompanying the Stratford-upon-Avon skeleton: Quote - "The 1,700 year old male skeleton of African decent has been discovered buried in Stratford-upon-Avon and indicates that people from Africa have been living in Warwickshire for far longer than previously thought. One of the many theories is that the man was a former Roman soldier who chose to retire in Stratford about 1,700 years ago."
Please pay special attention to the nose.
This is Cheddar man from 12,700 B.C.
DO YOU SEE ANY DIFFERENCE?
How about Stonehenge Archer?
DO YOU SEE ANY DIFFERENCE?
How about Wetwang Woman?
DO YOU SEE ANY DIFFERENCE?
How about ivory bangle lady circa 350 A.D.
DO YOU SEE ANY DIFFERENCE?
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The history that has been taught to you is a lie - a total fabrication.
The truth is that you are Germanics - Asian Albinos from central Asia. Please read Tacitus and other such ancient writers.
You are taught lies to hide these facts. Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: European history is OUR history, our heritage, Europe is OUR homeland & you can't have it.
DHDoxies - I assume you say that out of ignorance. I would suggest that you actually study European history - or rather the artifacts and ancient history as written by other than the degenerate lying Albino bastards of today.
Why do I use such strong language?
Note the text accompanying the Stratford-upon-Avon skeleton: Quote - "The 1,700 year old male skeleton of African decent has been discovered buried in Stratford-upon-Avon and indicates that people from Africa have been living in Warwickshire for far longer than previously thought. One of the many theories is that the man was a former Roman soldier who chose to retire in Stratford about 1,700 years ago."
Please pay special attention to the nose.
This is Cheddar man from 12,700 B.C.
DO YOU SEE ANY DIFFERENCE?
How about Stonehenge Archer?
DO YOU SEE ANY DIFFERENCE?
How about Wetwang Woman?
DO YOU SEE ANY DIFFERENCE?
How about ivory bangle lady circa 350 A.D.
DO YOU SEE ANY DIFFERENCE?
. .
The history that has been taught to you is a lie - a total fabrication.
The truth is that you are Germanics - Asian Albinos from central Asia. Please read Tacitus and other such ancient writers.
You are taught lies to hide these facts.
Mikey boy we have been through this before, my ancestors come from all over Europe, the Scottish side of my family came from the Gordon sept of the Moore clan. All your so called proof shows is that blacks were in Rome so what, the Romans hired non-Romans to serve in their military so Roman men wouldn't have to. Heck they even hired Vandals, Goths, etc to fight other tribes that were causing them problems in their conquest of the rest of Europe. When will you stop with lies & trying to demean & degrade white people with your nonsense. We ARE NOT Asians nor are we albinos, you just take the fact that a few white mummies were found there to try to prove what you know are lies, if that were the case where the heck are the rest of the white mummies, seems they would have found thousands of them all over Central Asia if that were the case, where are they all at, hmmm you stupid lying black racist white people hating twit.
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ^Shuush, simple idiot.
We know it is you no matter how many name changes you make. You apine blattering is always the same, never changes... LMBAO!
IronLion, I don't know who you think I am LOL, but I assure you whoever you think I am I am not. I'm a white female who is proud of my heritage & will not allow ignorant history stealing racist blacks like you to steal what is MY birth right.
If you're not of Northwest African descent, you need to stop claiming it as if it's yours. Stop stealing it as "your" heritage.
I steal nothing that is not mine. I claim nothing in Africa, because its not mine to claim, I can rightfully expect blacks to show the same respect. I am of European descent and I rightfully claim it as mine because it is. I'm Scottish, German, Irish, Welsh, Swedish, Norwegian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Russian, Italian, French, Spanish, Greek, Dutch. My Paternal Grandfather was direct from Scotland, He was of the Gordon sept of the Moore Clan in Scotland, my paternal Grandmother was direct from Germany, her mother was from Holland. It most certainly is MY heritage, my ancestral homeland. All you blacks are trying to do is demean & degrade whites. You want to strip us of everything we have, our history, our heritage, our identity, our very homeland.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
DHDoxies - I'm sure the above comes as a great shock to you. Therefore I will do you the favor of proving it.
Germanic peoples Wiki The Germanic peoples (also called Teutonic or Gothic in older literature) are an Indo-European ethno-linguistic group of Northern European origin, identified by their use of the Indo-European Germanic languages which diversified out of Proto-Germanic during the Pre-Roman Iron Age.
Originating about 1800 BCE from the Corded Ware Culture on the North German plain, the Germanic peoples expanded into southern Scandinavia and towards the Vistula river during the Nordic Bronze Age, reaching the lower Danube by 200 BCE.[2] In the 2nd century BCE, the Teutons and the Cimbri clashed with Rome. By the time of Julius Caesar, a group of Germans led by the Suebian chieftain Ariovistus were expanding into Gaul, until stopped by Caesar at the Vosges in 58 BCE.
Remember what I said about degenerate lying Albinos?
The ancient and original people of Germany.
The Gauls:
Now I will tell you your TRUE history.
Germanic languages: English, German, Dutch, Afrikaans, and the North Germanic languages including Norwegian, Danish, Swedish, Icelandic, and Faroese.
The Roman historian Jordanes, in his book on the history of the Goths, called "Getica" (circa 551 A.D), gives this account as to why the White tribes (Germanics and Slavs - Turks came later) started westward into Europe.
Quote: But after a short space of time, as Orosius relates, the race of the Huns, fiercer than ferocity itself, flamed forth against the Goths. We learn from old traditions that their origin was as follows: Filimer, king of the Goths, son of Gadaric the Great, who was the fifth in succession to hold the rule of the Getae after their departure from the island of Scandza,--and who, as we have said, entered the land of Scythia with his tribe,--found among his people certain witches, whom he called in his native tongue Haliurunnae. Suspecting these women, he expelled them from the midst of his race and compelled them to wander in solitary exile afar from his army. (122) There the unclean spirits, who beheld them as they wandered through the wilderness, bestowed their embraces upon them and begat this savage race, which dwelt at first in the swamps,--a stunted, foul and puny tribe, scarcely human, and having no language save one which bore but slight resemblance to human speech. Such was the descent of the Huns who came to the country of the Goths.
(123) This cruel tribe, as Priscus the historian relates, settled on the farther bank of the Maeotic swamp. They were fond of hunting and had no skill in any other art. After they had grown to a nation, they disturbed the peace of neighboring races by theft and rapine. At one time, while hunters of their tribe were as usual seeking for game on the farthest edge of Maeotis, they saw a doe unexpectedly appear to their sight and enter the swamp, acting as guide of the way; now advancing and again standing still. (124) The hunters followed and crossed on foot the Maeotic swamp, which they had supposed was impassable as the sea. Presently the unknown land of Scythia disclosed itself and the doe disappeared. Now in my opinion the evil spirits, from whom the Huns are descended, did this from envy of the Scythians. (125) And the Huns, who had been wholly ignorant that there was another world beyond Maeotis, were now filled with admiration for the Scythian land. As they were quick of mind, they believed that this path, utterly unknown to any age of the past, had been divinely revealed to them. They returned to their tribe, told them what had happened, praised Scythia and persuaded the people to hasten thither along the way they had found by the guidance of the doe. As many as they captured, when they thus entered Scythia for the first time, they sacrificed to Victory. The remainder they conquered and made subject to themselves. (126) Like a whirlwind of nations they swept across the great swamp and at once fell upon the Alpidzuri, Alcildzuri, Itimari, Tuncarsi and Boisci, who bordered on that part of Scythia. The Alani also, who were their equals in battle, but unlike them in civilization, manners and appearance, they exhausted by their incessant attacks and subdued. (127) For by the terror of their features they inspired great fear in those whom perhaps they did not really surpass in war. They made their foes flee in horror because their swarthy aspect was fearful, and they had, if I may call it so, a sort of shapeless lump, not a head, with pin-holes rather than eyes. Their hardihood is evident in their wild appearance, and they are beings who are cruel to their children on the very day they are born. For they cut the cheeks of the males with a sword, so that before they receive the nourishment of milk they must learn to endure wounds. (128) Hence they grow old beardless and their young men are without comeliness, because a face furrowed by the sword spoils by its scars the natural beauty of a beard. They are short in stature, quick in bodily movement, alert horsemen, broad shouldered, ready in the use of bow and arrow, and have firm-set necks which are ever erect in pride. Though they live in the form of men, they have the cruelty of wild beasts.
(129) When the Getae beheld this active race that had invaded many nations, they took fright and consulted with their king how they might escape from such a foe. Now although Hermanaric, king of the Goths, was the conqueror of many tribes, as we have said above, yet while he was deliberating on this invasion of the Huns, the treacherous tribe of the Rosomoni, who at that time were among those who owed him their homage, took this chance to catch him unawares. For when the king had given orders that a certain woman of the tribe I have mentioned, Sunilda by name, should be bound to wild horses and torn apart by driving them at full speed in opposite directions (for he was roused to fury by her husband's treachery to him), her brothers Sarus and Ammius came to avenge their sister's death and plunged a sword into Hermanaric's side. Enfeebled by this blow, he dragged out a miserable existence in bodily weakness. (130) Balamber, king of the Huns, took advantage of his ill health to move an army into the country of the Ostrogoths, from whom the Visigoths had already separated because of some dispute. Meanwhile Hermanaric, who was unable to endure either the pain of his wound or the inroads of the Huns, died full of days at the great age of one hundred and ten years. The fact of his death enabled the Huns to prevail over those Goths who, as we have said, dwelt in the East and were called Ostrogoths.
(131) The Visigoths, who were their other allies and inhabitants of the western country, were terrified as their kinsmen had been, and knew not how to plan for safety against the race of the Huns. After long deliberation by common consent they finally sent ambassadors into Romania to the Emperor Valens, brother of Valentinian, the elder Emperor, to say that if he would give them part of Thrace or Moesia to keep, they would submit themselves to his laws and commands. That he might have greater confidence in them, they promised to become Christians, if he would give them teachers who spoke their language. (132) When Valens learned this, he gladly and promptly granted what he had himself intended to ask. He received the Getae into the region of Moesia and placed them there as a wall of defense for his kingdom against other tribes. And since at that time the Emperor Valens, who was infected with the Arian perfidy, had closed all the churches of our party, he sent as preachers to them those who favored his sect. They came and straightway filled a rude and ignorant people with the poison of their heresy. Thus the Emperor Valens made the Visigoths Arians rather than Christians. (133) Moreover, from the love they bore them, they preached the gospel both to the Ostrogoths and to their kinsmen the Gepidae, teaching them to reverence this heresy, and they invited all people of their speech everywhere to attach themselves to this sect. They themselves as we have said, crossed the Danube and settled Dacia Ripensis, Moesia and Thrace by permission of the Emperor.
The Byzantine historian Zosimus (491-518), In his book "Historia Nova" gives this account as to why the White tribes (Germanics and Slavs) started westward into Europe.
Quote: While these affairs were so conducted, a barbarous nation, which till then had remained unknown, suddenly made its appearance, attacking the Scythians beyond the Ister. These were the Huns. It is doubtful whether they were Scythians, who lived under regal government, or the people whom Herodotus states to reside near the Ister, and describes as a weak people with flat noses, or whether they came into Europe from Asia. For I have met with, a tradition, which relates that the Cimmerian Bosphorus was rendered firm land by mud brought down the Tanais, by which they were originally afforded a land-passage from Asia into Europe. However this might be, they, with their wives, children, horses, and carriages, invaded the Scythians who resided on the Ister; and though they were not capable of fighting on foot, nor understood in what, manner even to walk, since they could not fix their feet firmly on the ground, but live perpetually, and even sleep, on horseback, yet by the rapidity with which they wheeled about their horses, by the suddenness of their excursions and retreat, shooting as they rode, they occasioned great slaughter among the Scythians. In this they were so incessant, that the surviving Scythians were compelled to leave their habitations to these Huns, and crossing the Ister, to supplicate the emperor to receive them, on their promise to adhere to him as faithful soldiers. The officers of the fortified towns near the Ister deferred complying with this petition, until they should learn the pleasure of the emperor, who permitted them to be received without their arms. The tribunes and other officers therefore went over to bring the Barbarians unarmed into the Roman territory; but occupied themselves solely in the gratification of their brutal appetites, or in procuring slaves, neglecting every thing that related to public affairs. A considerable number therefore crossed over with their arms, through this negligence. These, on arriving into the Roman dominion, forgot both their petition and their oaths. Thus all Thrace, Pannonia, and the whole country as far as Macedon and Thessaly were filled with Barbarians, who pillaged all in their way.
Britain:
AGRICOLA - by Roman historian Cornelius Tacitus (56-118 A.D.) Quote from Tacitus: Agricola Book 1
10. The geography and inhabitants of Britain, already described by many writers, I will speak of, not that my research and ability may be compared with theirs, but because the country was then for the first time thoroughly subdued. And so matters, which as being still not accurately known my predecessors embellished with their imagination, shall now be related on the evidence of facts.
11. Who were the original inhabitants of Britain, whether they were indigenous or foreign, is, as usual among barbarians, little known. Their physical characteristics are various, and from these conclusions may be drawn.
The dark complexion of the Silures, their usually curly hair, and the fact that Spain is the opposite shore to them, are an evidence that Iberians of a former date crossed over and occupied these parts. Those who are nearest to the Gauls are also like them, either from the permanent influence of original descent, or, because in countries which run out so far to meet each other, climate has produced similar physical qualities.
The red hair and large limbs of the inhabitants of Caledonia point clearly to a German origin.
Tacitus: Germany Book 1
4. For my own part, I agree with those who think that the tribes of Germany are free from all taint of intermarriages with foreign nations, and that they appear as a distinct, unmixed race, like none but themselves. Hence, too, the same physical peculiarities throughout so vast a population. All have fierce blue eyes, red hair, huge frames, fit only for a sudden exertion. They are less able to bear laborious work. Heat and thirst they cannot in the least endure; to cold and hunger their climate and their soil inure them.
In Pakistan, the Bhatti tribe still produces such Albinos:
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^So DHDoxies, how deep can your denial go?
And no, we are not trying to take anything from you, we want what you took from us BACK!
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: DHDoxies - I'm sure the above comes as a great shock to you. Therefore I will do you the favor of proving it.
Germanic peoples Wiki The Germanic peoples (also called Teutonic or Gothic in older literature) are an Indo-European ethno-linguistic group of Northern European origin, identified by their use of the Indo-European Germanic languages which diversified out of Proto-Germanic during the Pre-Roman Iron Age.
Originating about 1800 BCE from the Corded Ware Culture on the North German plain, the Germanic peoples expanded into southern Scandinavia and towards the Vistula river during the Nordic Bronze Age, reaching the lower Danube by 200 BCE.[2] In the 2nd century BCE, the Teutons and the Cimbri clashed with Rome. By the time of Julius Caesar, a group of Germans led by the Suebian chieftain Ariovistus were expanding into Gaul, until stopped by Caesar at the Vosges in 58 BCE.
Remember what I said about degenerate lying Albinos?
The ancient and original people of Germany.
The Gauls:
Now I will tell you your TRUE history.
Germanic languages: English, German, Dutch, Afrikaans, and the North Germanic languages including Norwegian, Danish, Swedish, Icelandic, and Faroese.
The Roman historian Jordanes, in his book on the history of the Goths, called "Getica" (circa 551 A.D), gives this account as to why the White tribes (Germanics and Slavs - Turks came later) started westward into Europe.
Quote: But after a short space of time, as Orosius relates, the race of the Huns, fiercer than ferocity itself, flamed forth against the Goths. We learn from old traditions that their origin was as follows: Filimer, king of the Goths, son of Gadaric the Great, who was the fifth in succession to hold the rule of the Getae after their departure from the island of Scandza,--and who, as we have said, entered the land of Scythia with his tribe,--found among his people certain witches, whom he called in his native tongue Haliurunnae. Suspecting these women, he expelled them from the midst of his race and compelled them to wander in solitary exile afar from his army. (122) There the unclean spirits, who beheld them as they wandered through the wilderness, bestowed their embraces upon them and begat this savage race, which dwelt at first in the swamps,--a stunted, foul and puny tribe, scarcely human, and having no language save one which bore but slight resemblance to human speech. Such was the descent of the Huns who came to the country of the Goths.
(123) This cruel tribe, as Priscus the historian relates, settled on the farther bank of the Maeotic swamp. They were fond of hunting and had no skill in any other art. After they had grown to a nation, they disturbed the peace of neighboring races by theft and rapine. At one time, while hunters of their tribe were as usual seeking for game on the farthest edge of Maeotis, they saw a doe unexpectedly appear to their sight and enter the swamp, acting as guide of the way; now advancing and again standing still. (124) The hunters followed and crossed on foot the Maeotic swamp, which they had supposed was impassable as the sea. Presently the unknown land of Scythia disclosed itself and the doe disappeared. Now in my opinion the evil spirits, from whom the Huns are descended, did this from envy of the Scythians. (125) And the Huns, who had been wholly ignorant that there was another world beyond Maeotis, were now filled with admiration for the Scythian land. As they were quick of mind, they believed that this path, utterly unknown to any age of the past, had been divinely revealed to them. They returned to their tribe, told them what had happened, praised Scythia and persuaded the people to hasten thither along the way they had found by the guidance of the doe. As many as they captured, when they thus entered Scythia for the first time, they sacrificed to Victory. The remainder they conquered and made subject to themselves. (126) Like a whirlwind of nations they swept across the great swamp and at once fell upon the Alpidzuri, Alcildzuri, Itimari, Tuncarsi and Boisci, who bordered on that part of Scythia. The Alani also, who were their equals in battle, but unlike them in civilization, manners and appearance, they exhausted by their incessant attacks and subdued. (127) For by the terror of their features they inspired great fear in those whom perhaps they did not really surpass in war. They made their foes flee in horror because their swarthy aspect was fearful, and they had, if I may call it so, a sort of shapeless lump, not a head, with pin-holes rather than eyes. Their hardihood is evident in their wild appearance, and they are beings who are cruel to their children on the very day they are born. For they cut the cheeks of the males with a sword, so that before they receive the nourishment of milk they must learn to endure wounds. (128) Hence they grow old beardless and their young men are without comeliness, because a face furrowed by the sword spoils by its scars the natural beauty of a beard. They are short in stature, quick in bodily movement, alert horsemen, broad shouldered, ready in the use of bow and arrow, and have firm-set necks which are ever erect in pride. Though they live in the form of men, they have the cruelty of wild beasts.
(129) When the Getae beheld this active race that had invaded many nations, they took fright and consulted with their king how they might escape from such a foe. Now although Hermanaric, king of the Goths, was the conqueror of many tribes, as we have said above, yet while he was deliberating on this invasion of the Huns, the treacherous tribe of the Rosomoni, who at that time were among those who owed him their homage, took this chance to catch him unawares. For when the king had given orders that a certain woman of the tribe I have mentioned, Sunilda by name, should be bound to wild horses and torn apart by driving them at full speed in opposite directions (for he was roused to fury by her husband's treachery to him), her brothers Sarus and Ammius came to avenge their sister's death and plunged a sword into Hermanaric's side. Enfeebled by this blow, he dragged out a miserable existence in bodily weakness. (130) Balamber, king of the Huns, took advantage of his ill health to move an army into the country of the Ostrogoths, from whom the Visigoths had already separated because of some dispute. Meanwhile Hermanaric, who was unable to endure either the pain of his wound or the inroads of the Huns, died full of days at the great age of one hundred and ten years. The fact of his death enabled the Huns to prevail over those Goths who, as we have said, dwelt in the East and were called Ostrogoths.
(131) The Visigoths, who were their other allies and inhabitants of the western country, were terrified as their kinsmen had been, and knew not how to plan for safety against the race of the Huns. After long deliberation by common consent they finally sent ambassadors into Romania to the Emperor Valens, brother of Valentinian, the elder Emperor, to say that if he would give them part of Thrace or Moesia to keep, they would submit themselves to his laws and commands. That he might have greater confidence in them, they promised to become Christians, if he would give them teachers who spoke their language. (132) When Valens learned this, he gladly and promptly granted what he had himself intended to ask. He received the Getae into the region of Moesia and placed them there as a wall of defense for his kingdom against other tribes. And since at that time the Emperor Valens, who was infected with the Arian perfidy, had closed all the churches of our party, he sent as preachers to them those who favored his sect. They came and straightway filled a rude and ignorant people with the poison of their heresy. Thus the Emperor Valens made the Visigoths Arians rather than Christians. (133) Moreover, from the love they bore them, they preached the gospel both to the Ostrogoths and to their kinsmen the Gepidae, teaching them to reverence this heresy, and they invited all people of their speech everywhere to attach themselves to this sect. They themselves as we have said, crossed the Danube and settled Dacia Ripensis, Moesia and Thrace by permission of the Emperor.
The Byzantine historian Zosimus (491-518), In his book "Historia Nova" gives this account as to why the White tribes (Germanics and Slavs) started westward into Europe.
Quote: While these affairs were so conducted, a barbarous nation, which till then had remained unknown, suddenly made its appearance, attacking the Scythians beyond the Ister. These were the Huns. It is doubtful whether they were Scythians, who lived under regal government, or the people whom Herodotus states to reside near the Ister, and describes as a weak people with flat noses, or whether they came into Europe from Asia. For I have met with, a tradition, which relates that the Cimmerian Bosphorus was rendered firm land by mud brought down the Tanais, by which they were originally afforded a land-passage from Asia into Europe. However this might be, they, with their wives, children, horses, and carriages, invaded the Scythians who resided on the Ister; and though they were not capable of fighting on foot, nor understood in what, manner even to walk, since they could not fix their feet firmly on the ground, but live perpetually, and even sleep, on horseback, yet by the rapidity with which they wheeled about their horses, by the suddenness of their excursions and retreat, shooting as they rode, they occasioned great slaughter among the Scythians. In this they were so incessant, that the surviving Scythians were compelled to leave their habitations to these Huns, and crossing the Ister, to supplicate the emperor to receive them, on their promise to adhere to him as faithful soldiers. The officers of the fortified towns near the Ister deferred complying with this petition, until they should learn the pleasure of the emperor, who permitted them to be received without their arms. The tribunes and other officers therefore went over to bring the Barbarians unarmed into the Roman territory; but occupied themselves solely in the gratification of their brutal appetites, or in procuring slaves, neglecting every thing that related to public affairs. A considerable number therefore crossed over with their arms, through this negligence. These, on arriving into the Roman dominion, forgot both their petition and their oaths. Thus all Thrace, Pannonia, and the whole country as far as Macedon and Thessaly were filled with Barbarians, who pillaged all in their way.
Britain:
AGRICOLA - by Roman historian Cornelius Tacitus (56-118 A.D.) Quote from Tacitus: Agricola Book 1
10. The geography and inhabitants of Britain, already described by many writers, I will speak of, not that my research and ability may be compared with theirs, but because the country was then for the first time thoroughly subdued. And so matters, which as being still not accurately known my predecessors embellished with their imagination, shall now be related on the evidence of facts.
11. Who were the original inhabitants of Britain, whether they were indigenous or foreign, is, as usual among barbarians, little known. Their physical characteristics are various, and from these conclusions may be drawn.
The dark complexion of the Silures, their usually curly hair, and the fact that Spain is the opposite shore to them, are an evidence that Iberians of a former date crossed over and occupied these parts. Those who are nearest to the Gauls are also like them, either from the permanent influence of original descent, or, because in countries which run out so far to meet each other, climate has produced similar physical qualities.
The red hair and large limbs of the inhabitants of Caledonia point clearly to a German origin.
Tacitus: Germany Book 1
4. For my own part, I agree with those who think that the tribes of Germany are free from all taint of intermarriages with foreign nations, and that they appear as a distinct, unmixed race, like none but themselves. Hence, too, the same physical peculiarities throughout so vast a population. All have fierce blue eyes, red hair, huge frames, fit only for a sudden exertion. They are less able to bear laborious work. Heat and thirst they cannot in the least endure; to cold and hunger their climate and their soil inure them.
In Pakistan, the Bhatti tribe still produces such Albinos:
Mikey boy you have proven nothing LOL. However you did prove yourself wrong LOL. Caledonia is in Scotland and the Scots are Picts the true indigenous of the British Isles and you just described them as red haired & Germanic LOL. Telling on yourself aint ya Mikey boy. Sorry dude but none of those people picture look like European whites, you can still tell they are East Indian type people by their features LOL. COme on now you can do better than that.
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^So DHDoxies, how deep can your denial go?
And no, we are not trying to take anything from you, we want what you took from us BACK!
We took nothing that was not ours. Yes you are trying to take from us, trying to take our history, our heritage, our very identities leaving us with nothing.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
BTW - You are partially right about one thing when you say: "All you blacks are trying to do is demean & degrade whites."
As far as I can tell, I'm really the only one that's actually doing that - and there is a reason for it.
When a person tells a bare-faced lie to your face, and you reply by simply calling it a falsehood or untruth. You have elevated that liar to a status of respectable credibility, because by respectful response, you are implying that the liar deserves respect, and the lie could be because of a mistake.
There are no mistakes, Albinos are lying for a reason, and I know what those reasons are. They give no truth, and I give no respect. They are what they are, and I call them by their correct names.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Offa (757–796) was a king of Mercia which was one of the kingdoms of the Anglo-Saxon Heptarchy. It was centred on the valley of the River Trent and its tributaries in the region now known as the English Midlands.
He was Great-great-grandson of Eowa. The greatest and most powerful of all Mercian kings, he proclaimed himself King of the English in 774, built Offa's Dyke, and introduced the silver penny.
Silver penny of Offa
Æthelberht also called Saint Ethelbert the King, (died 20 May 794 at Sutton Walls, Herefordshire) was an eight century saint and a king of East Anglia, the Anglo-Saxon kingdom which today includes the English counties of Norfolk and Suffolk. Little is known of his reign, which may have begun in 779, according to later sources. It is known from the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle that he was killed on the orders of Offa of Mercia in 794.
Coin of Æthelberht II, King of the East Angles.
Edgar the Peaceful, or Edgar I (943–975), was also a Mercia king and of England. Edgar was the younger son of Edmund I of England.
stained glass window, All Souls College Chapel, Oxford. Originally obtained from Warden and Fellows of All Souls, Oxford. According to [1], "The large stained glass window [containing this image] in the west wall is known as the Royal Window. Dating from the mid-15th-century
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Anybody see any White people? Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Offa (757–796) was a king of Mercia which was one of the kingdoms of the Anglo-Saxon Heptarchy. It was centred on the valley of the River Trent and its tributaries in the region now known as the English Midlands.
He was Great-great-grandson of Eowa. The greatest and most powerful of all Mercian kings, he proclaimed himself King of the English in 774, built Offa's Dyke, and introduced the silver penny.
Silver penny of Offa
Æthelberht also called Saint Ethelbert the King, (died 20 May 794 at Sutton Walls, Herefordshire) was an eight century saint and a king of East Anglia, the Anglo-Saxon kingdom which today includes the English counties of Norfolk and Suffolk. Little is known of his reign, which may have begun in 779, according to later sources. It is known from the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle that he was killed on the orders of Offa of Mercia in 794.
Coin of Æthelberht II, King of the East Angles.
Edgar the Peaceful, or Edgar I (943–975), was also a Mercia king and of England. Edgar was the younger son of Edmund I of England.
stained glass window, All Souls College Chapel, Oxford. Originally obtained from Warden and Fellows of All Souls, Oxford. According to [1], "The large stained glass window [containing this image] in the west wall is known as the Royal Window. Dating from the mid-15th-century
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Anybody see any White people?
Still grasping at straws there Mikey boy. You can tell by the features that those people are definitely not Negros. They have wide eyes, long noses, high nose bridges, their chins lack prognathism, straight hair, all typical white features. BTW, the coins of Offa you showed have to be of two differnt people because one shows him with thin lips & nose, while the other shows him with a big nose & lips and different hair LOL. Seems I caught you yet again falsifying "evidence", just as I have caught you Afro-nuts photo shopping pictures/paintings, marking on the books themselves with pens & pencils in an effort to "prove" your insanity. Come on now white people hater you can do better than that. Don't mess with a Pict, Celt, Viking, Norman, Vandal, Goth, Frank, direct descendant of Charlemagne, Boudicca, William "The Conqueror, Harald Blue Tooth, Constantine boy you'll come out the loser every time LOL. Do you really know how mentally unstable you make yourself look. Remember the saying "He(double hockey sticks) hath no fury like a woman who's history is being stolen" LOL.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ^Shuush, simple idiot.
We know it is you no matter how many name changes you make. You apine blattering is always the same, never changes... LMBAO!
IronLion, I don't know who you think I am LOL, but I assure you whoever you think I am I am not. I'm a white female who is proud of my heritage & will not allow ignorant history stealing racist blacks like you to steal what is MY birth right.
If you're not of Northwest African descent, you need to stop claiming it as if it's yours. Stop stealing it as "your" heritage.
I steal nothing that is not mine. I claim nothing in Africa, because its not mine to claim, I can rightfully expect blacks to show the same respect. I am of European descent and I rightfully claim it as mine because it is. I'm Scottish, German, Irish, Welsh, Swedish, Norwegian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Russian, Italian, French, Spanish, Greek, Dutch. My Paternal Grandfather was direct from Scotland, He was of the Gordon sept of the Moore Clan in Scotland, my paternal Grandmother was direct from Germany, her mother was from Holland. It most certainly is MY heritage, my ancestral homeland. All you blacks are trying to do is demean & degrade whites. You want to strip us of everything we have, our history, our heritage, our identity, our very homeland.
"I am of European descent and I rightfully claim it as mine because it is. I'm Scottish, German, Irish, Welsh, Swedish, Norwegian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Russian, Italian, French, Spanish, Greek, Dutch."
Are you sure, how does that fit when you have no relationship or history at most of these places?
"My Paternal Grandfather was direct from Scotland, He was of the Gordon sept of the Moore Clan in Scotland, my paternal Grandmother was direct from Germany, her mother was from Holland."
I do believe this, Vikings took Germans and Dutch tribes to Britain as slaves.
Anyway,
Yorkshireman found to share DNA with African tribes
Scientists from Leicester University made the finding during research sponsored by The Wellcome Trust.
They were examining the relationship between the male, or Y, chromosome and surnames.
Like surnames, the Y-chromosome is passed from father to son, virtually unchanged through generations.
Professor Mark Jobling said: "We found John was in the A1 group of Y-chromosomes, which is very rare and highly west African-specific.
The University's Director of Archaeological Museums, Lindsay Allason-Jones, who has organized an exhibition of the Museum's Romano-African artefacts to coincide with Black History Month, says: 'From the evidence we have here, it is clear that colour was no bar to the status an individual could achieve in the Roman Empire'...
“Africans have been present in Europe from classical times. In the 2nd and 3rd centuries Roman soldiers of African origin served in Britain, and some stayed after their military service ended. According to the historians Fryer, Edwards and Walvin, in the 9th century Viking fleets raided North Africa and Spain, captured Black people, and took them to Britain and Ireland.
From the end of the 15th century we begin to see more evidence for the presence of Black Moors in the accounts of the reign of King James IV of Scotland, and later in Elizabethan England.”
* Source "ANOTHER AFROCENTRIC" lol: The National Archives of Scotland.
"The King Provides Clothes for the Party A variety of fabrics were used to make clothing for the Moors - velvet ('wellus'), woollen kersey ('carsay') and fine Holland linen - which was decorated or fastened with buttons, rings or other ornaments ('mailyeis'). These were paid for by the treasury of King James IV. It seems that these Moors were not servants; it is more likely that they were invited guests staying at the palace. Accounts of the Lord High Treasurer of Scotland, vol. 3, p. 101 (1505)"
"The King Requests an Audience with a Black Baby This extract from the Lord High Treasurer's accounts show that in 1505/6 a payment of 28 shillings was made to 'the nuris that brocht the Moris barne to see, be the Kingis command'. The king must have known of this child to ask to see it." "The child may have been that of the 'More taubronar', the Black drummer at court. Treasury accounts also itemise accommodation for the 'wife of the taubronar and his barne'. This would suggest that the drummer was living at the palace with his family. Accounts of the Lord High Treasurer of Scotland, vol. 3, p. 182 (1505/6)"
This image, an extract from the 60ft-long Westminster Tournament Roll, shows six trumpeters, one of whom is Black and is almost certainly John Blanke. All the trumpeters are wearing yellow and grey, with blue purses at their waists. John Blanke is the only one wearing a brown turban latticed with yellow. He is mounted on a grey horse with a black harness.
The image of who they speak...so let us make no mistake about it. lol
Westminster Tournament Roll (1511) By permission of The College of Arms, London
So who were the Numerus Maurorum Aurelianorum and why are they so important to the Black British community? Our key evidence for this unit is a 4th century inscription, found in 1934 at the village of Beaumont two miles east of Burgh-by-Sands on the banks of the River Eden, and known as the Beaumont inscription. Translated from the Latin it reads:
To Jupiter Best and Greatest and the Majesty of our two Emperors, to the Genius [guardian spirit] of the numerus of Aurelian Moors, Valerianus’ and Gallienus’ own, Caelius Vibianus, cohort-tribune in charge of the above-mentioned numerus, [set up this altar] through the agency of Julius Rufinus, senior centurion.
I am not claiming anything btw. It's just part of history.
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ^Shuush, simple idiot.
We know it is you no matter how many name changes you make. You apine blattering is always the same, never changes... LMBAO!
IronLion, I don't know who you think I am LOL, but I assure you whoever you think I am I am not. I'm a white female who is proud of my heritage & will not allow ignorant history stealing racist blacks like you to steal what is MY birth right.
If you're not of Northwest African descent, you need to stop claiming it as if it's yours. Stop stealing it as "your" heritage.
I steal nothing that is not mine. I claim nothing in Africa, because its not mine to claim, I can rightfully expect blacks to show the same respect. I am of European descent and I rightfully claim it as mine because it is. I'm Scottish, German, Irish, Welsh, Swedish, Norwegian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Russian, Italian, French, Spanish, Greek, Dutch. My Paternal Grandfather was direct from Scotland, He was of the Gordon sept of the Moore Clan in Scotland, my paternal Grandmother was direct from Germany, her mother was from Holland. It most certainly is MY heritage, my ancestral homeland. All you blacks are trying to do is demean & degrade whites. You want to strip us of everything we have, our history, our heritage, our identity, our very homeland.
"I am of European descent and I rightfully claim it as mine because it is. I'm Scottish, German, Irish, Welsh, Swedish, Norwegian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Russian, Italian, French, Spanish, Greek, Dutch."
Are you sure, how does that fit when you have no relationship or history at most of these places?
"My Paternal Grandfather was direct from Scotland, He was of the Gordon sept of the Moore Clan in Scotland, my paternal Grandmother was direct from Germany, her mother was from Holland."
I do believe this, Vikings took Germans and Dutch tribes to Britain as slaves.
Anyway,
Yorkshireman found to share DNA with African tribes
Scientists from Leicester University made the finding during research sponsored by The Wellcome Trust.
They were examining the relationship between the male, or Y, chromosome and surnames.
Like surnames, the Y-chromosome is passed from father to son, virtually unchanged through generations.
Professor Mark Jobling said: "We found John was in the A1 group of Y-chromosomes, which is very rare and highly west African-specific.
The University's Director of Archaeological Museums, Lindsay Allason-Jones, who has organized an exhibition of the Museum's Romano-African artefacts to coincide with Black History Month, says: 'From the evidence we have here, it is clear that colour was no bar to the status an individual could achieve in the Roman Empire'...
“Africans have been present in Europe from classical times. In the 2nd and 3rd centuries Roman soldiers of African origin served in Britain, and some stayed after their military service ended. According to the historians Fryer, Edwards and Walvin, in the 9th century Viking fleets raided North Africa and Spain, captured Black people, and took them to Britain and Ireland.
From the end of the 15th century we begin to see more evidence for the presence of Black Moors in the accounts of the reign of King James IV of Scotland, and later in Elizabethan England.”
* Source "ANOTHER AFROCENTRIC" lol: The National Archives of Scotland.
"The King Provides Clothes for the Party A variety of fabrics were used to make clothing for the Moors - velvet ('wellus'), woollen kersey ('carsay') and fine Holland linen - which was decorated or fastened with buttons, rings or other ornaments ('mailyeis'). These were paid for by the treasury of King James IV. It seems that these Moors were not servants; it is more likely that they were invited guests staying at the palace. Accounts of the Lord High Treasurer of Scotland, vol. 3, p. 101 (1505)"
"The King Requests an Audience with a Black Baby This extract from the Lord High Treasurer's accounts show that in 1505/6 a payment of 28 shillings was made to 'the nuris that brocht the Moris barne to see, be the Kingis command'. The king must have known of this child to ask to see it." "The child may have been that of the 'More taubronar', the Black drummer at court. Treasury accounts also itemise accommodation for the 'wife of the taubronar and his barne'. This would suggest that the drummer was living at the palace with his family. Accounts of the Lord High Treasurer of Scotland, vol. 3, p. 182 (1505/6)"
This image, an extract from the 60ft-long Westminster Tournament Roll, shows six trumpeters, one of whom is Black and is almost certainly John Blanke. All the trumpeters are wearing yellow and grey, with blue purses at their waists. John Blanke is the only one wearing a brown turban latticed with yellow. He is mounted on a grey horse with a black harness.
The image of who they speak...so let us make no mistake about it. lol
Westminster Tournament Roll (1511) By permission of The College of Arms, London
So who were the Numerus Maurorum Aurelianorum and why are they so important to the Black British community? Our key evidence for this unit is a 4th century inscription, found in 1934 at the village of Beaumont two miles east of Burgh-by-Sands on the banks of the River Eden, and known as the Beaumont inscription. Translated from the Latin it reads:
To Jupiter Best and Greatest and the Majesty of our two Emperors, to the Genius [guardian spirit] of the numerus of Aurelian Moors, Valerianus’ and Gallienus’ own, Caelius Vibianus, cohort-tribune in charge of the above-mentioned numerus, [set up this altar] through the agency of Julius Rufinus, senior centurion.
I am not claiming anything btw. It's just part of history.
No I myself don't have a history in those places except Germany as I was born there, but my ancestors did LOL. I know who my ancestors are and where they came from as I know my own personal lineage.
Dude the Moore Clan has been in Scotland, Ireland, Wales and England from the times of old and they were NOT slaves but were nobles holding titles & land. I'm a Moore by blood & name. Dude I was speaking of my Grandparents coming from Scotland & Germany & my Great Grandmother being Dutch, not some remote ancestors LOL, of course my ancestors were from all the places I named before. BTW the Vikings, Anglo-Saxons,Danes, Franks, Normans, were all white Germanic tribes, same as the Goths & Vandals, and well as Mikey boy let slip so were the Picts (first settlers of Scotland LOL).
Exactly what did you prove? That there were Blacks in Europe at the time of Elizabeth I & King James? Of course there were I wasn't denying that, however immigrating to a place already inhabited & living there at that time & actually being indigenous are two different things LOL. Heck Queen Elizabeth I even tried to expell all Blackmoors & Negros from Britian not once but twice LOL. Some black woman there huh LOL.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^ Sorry DHDoxies, the degenerate lying and falsifying Albinos have made you an ignoramus once again. Only Goths & Vandals can be surely called Germanics (Whites/Albinos).
The Frankish Realm or occasionally Frankland, was the territory inhabited and ruled by the Franks from the 3rd to the 10th century. Under the nearly continuous campaigns of Charles Martel, Pepin the Short, and Charlemagne—father, son, grandson—the greatest expansion of the Frankish empire was secured by the early 9th century.
Carolingian Empire (800–888) is a historiographical term which has been used to refer to the realm of the Franks under the Carolingian dynasty in the Early Middle Ages. This dynasty is seen as the founders of France and Germany, and its beginning date is based on the crowning of Charlemagne, or Charles the Great, and ends with the death of Charles the Fat. Depending on one's perspective, this Empire can be seen as the later history of the Frankish Realm or the early history of France and of the Holy Roman Empire.
The term refers to the coronation of Charlemagne by Pope Leo III in 800. Because Charles and his ancestors had been rulers of the Frankish realm earlier (his grandfather Charles Martel had essentially founded the empire during his lifetime), the coronation did not actually constitute a new empire. Most historians prefer to use the term "Frankish Kingdoms" or "Frankish Realm" to refer to the area covering parts of today's Germany and France from the 5th to the 9th century.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Still grasping at straws there Mikey boy. You can tell by the features that those people are definitely not Negros. They have wide eyes, long noses, high nose bridges, their chins lack prognathism, straight hair, all typical white features.
All true. However Mike111 and TrollPatrol are both self-hating blacks. They have deluded themselves that black people can have straight hair, blonde hair, fair skin, thin noses etcetc in a bizarre fantasy.
They crave our features because they hate their own race. None of them identify with dark skin, wide noses and wooly hair despite the fact those are their racial traits. Instead they are obsessed with the fantasy of straight red or blonde haired, thin nosed, light skinend ''black'' africans. They wish they were white and envy our racial traits and so they project their self-hatred and insecurities by trolling the net claiming light skinned straight blonde haired black africans exist.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Saint Kenelm (or Cynehelm) was an Anglo-Saxon saint, venerated throughout medieval England, and mentioned in the Canterbury Tales (the Nun's Priest's Tale, lines 290–301, in which the cock Chaunteecleer tries to demonstrate the reality of prophetic dreams to his wife Pertelote). William of Malmesbury, writing in the 12th century, recounted that "there was no place in England to which more pilgrims travelled than to Winchcombe on Kenelm's feast day".
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^ Sorry DHDoxies, the degenerate lying and falsifying Albinos have made you an ignoramus once again. Only Goths & Vandals can be surely called Germanics (Whites/Albinos).
The Frankish Realm or occasionally Frankland, was the territory inhabited and ruled by the Franks from the 3rd to the 10th century. Under the nearly continuous campaigns of Charles Martel, Pepin the Short, and Charlemagne—father, son, grandson—the greatest expansion of the Frankish empire was secured by the early 9th century.
Carolingian Empire (800–888) is a historiographical term which has been used to refer to the realm of the Franks under the Carolingian dynasty in the Early Middle Ages. This dynasty is seen as the founders of France and Germany, and its beginning date is based on the crowning of Charlemagne, or Charles the Great, and ends with the death of Charles the Fat. Depending on one's perspective, this Empire can be seen as the later history of the Frankish Realm or the early history of France and of the Holy Roman Empire.
The term refers to the coronation of Charlemagne by Pope Leo III in 800. Because Charles and his ancestors had been rulers of the Frankish realm earlier (his grandfather Charles Martel had essentially founded the empire during his lifetime), the coronation did not actually constitute a new empire. Most historians prefer to use the term "Frankish Kingdoms" or "Frankish Realm" to refer to the area covering parts of today's Germany and France from the 5th to the 9th century.
Mikey boy just give it up already, you've been proven for a liar and an ignoramous. Charlemagne is my 36th Great grandfather, I possess the same features as him and I definitely am not black. We've been through that before as well, stop trying to insinuate that I don't know what my own family name is, I should know I was born with it LOL, unless someone lied to me and my parents aren't my parents LOL.
Cass, I'm not too sure about that, I personally think they are just embarrassed of their own history and therefore want to claim every other races' history but their own. I think this is their way of trying to get back at the white man, trying to do to us what was done to them, only thing is most of us aren't stupid enough to fall for it LOL.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Cass, I'm not too sure about that, I personally think they are just embarrassed of their own history and therefore want to claim every other races' history but their own. I think this is their way of trying to get back at the white man, trying to do to us what was done to them, only thing is most of us aren't stupid enough to fall for it LOL.
Blacks only settled in large numbers in Britain as late as the 1950's. They are recent immigrants. While you can find the mention of a negro presence in Britain going back at the most 300 or 400 or so years, those negroes were single individuals or slaves and were such a miniscule percentage along with other immigrants such as Chinese etc.
Blacks simply have no heritage in these isles and these afronuts like mike and ironlion who are obsessed to prove that the native britons were blacks are just self-haters.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
NO cassis if you would really concentrate and study YOUR!! history you would know that apart from any archaic blks living there,there were Africans and African influenced folks in the area going all the way back to the Phoenicians who went there to pic up tin. and again Africans were stationed as far north as Hadrian's walls for centuries,see post and links on previous pages,but it's you!! you lil hypocrite who sought to find your self in Africa with your caca bull sh!t and your homo fixation of your hatred of blk women, while I find nothing to warrant stealing from Euro culture or history(Africa is full of history and culture) acknowledging the fact that blk folks were never absent from Europe including parts of North Europe is just that an acknowledgment,if others want to take that fact and rub in your "race purist" face then that's on them other wise I have no horse in this race.
Posted by Grumman (Member # 14051) on :
DHDoxies says:
''Charlemagne is my 36th Great grandfather, I possess the same features as him...''
I'm curious as to how you know that
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by Grumman: DHDoxies says:
''Charlemagne is my 36th Great grandfather, I possess the same features as him...''
I'm curious as to how you know that
I know this because I know my lineage as I have researched & traced my lineage, double checking each and every one to ensure accuracy.
Posted by Grumman (Member # 14051) on :
So that picure you posted above is accurate? Is the picture just time-worn to make it appear slightly darkened?
I'm not interested in whether he was black but simply how you know a representation spanning a few hundred years is accurate.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Cass, I'm not too sure about that, I personally think they are just embarrassed of their own history and therefore want to claim every other races' history but their own. I think this is their way of trying to get back at the white man, trying to do to us what was done to them, only thing is most of us aren't stupid enough to fall for it LOL.
Blacks only settled in large numbers in Britain as late as the 1950's. They are recent immigrants. While you can find the mention of a negro presence in Britain going back at the most 300 or 400 or so years, those negroes were single individuals or slaves and were such a miniscule percentage along with other immigrants such as Chinese etc.
Blacks simply have no heritage in these isles and these afronuts like mike and ironlion who are obsessed to prove that the native britons were blacks are just self-haters.
Laughing My Royal Muurish Ass Off!
Saint Columba:
One of the indigenous apostles and fathers of the British Isles. A towering figure of a man who for many students of Celtic Spirituality will view as one of the archetypes who embodied the essence of what it meant to be a Celtic saint.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies:
quote:Originally posted by Grumman: DHDoxies says:
''Charlemagne is my 36th Great grandfather, I possess the same features as him...''
I'm curious as to how you know that
I know this because I know my lineage as I have researched & traced my lineage, double checking each and every one to ensure accuracy.
I have written many times on the delusion of Albinos, and the fantasy of their history.
Case in point!
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies:
quote:Originally posted by Grumman: DHDoxies says:
''Charlemagne is my 36th Great grandfather, I possess the same features as him...''
I'm curious as to how you know that
I know this because I know my lineage as I have researched & traced my lineage, double checking each and every one to ensure accuracy.
I have written many times on the delusion of Albinos, and the fantasy of their history.
Case in point!
Mikey Boy don't tell me what my lineage is or is not, I KNOW my lineage. I KNOW who my ancestors are and are not. Just who the heck do you think you are. How dare you!
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
^ You are not a direct lineal descendant of Charlamagne or William the Conqueror.
The direct lineal descendants of those historical figures are the royal families of Europe.
Of course though you could be a distant (non direct lineal) descendant, as can millions of people. If you think about it Charlamagne etc distant blood relatives who kept on marrying and having other kids and then their relatives did, and so on. This means there are millions of white people who are blood-relatives of these people today. The direct lineal descendants however are only the royal houses across europe. The average person on the streets of europe is not a direct lineal descendant of these historical figures. They might just have some very distant blood-link.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Laughing My Royal Muurish Ass Off!
Saint Columba:
One of the indigenous apostles and fathers of the British Isles. A towering figure of a man who for many students of Celtic Spirituality will view as one of the archetypes who embodied the essence of what it meant to be a Celtic saint. [/QB]
Yes, he's a white man.
Nothing more than olive/brown skin most Mediterraneans have...
Are the following people negroid/muurs/blacks to you because they have a brownish tan?
Ironlion is labeling white people with tans or olive skin as blacks because he hates his own race. By his logic anyone with brownish skin = black/muur/negro the white tanned woman above (check her brown arms) is a black woman. Because he hates real negro women he's basically clustering white woman with mere sun tans as ''black'' in his own race.
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ You are not a direct lineal descendant of Charlamagne or William the Conqueror.
The direct lineal descendants of those historical figures are the royal families of Europe.
Of course though you could be a distant (non direct lineal) descendant, as can millions of people. If you think about it Charlamagne etc distant blood relatives who kept on marrying and having other kids and then their relatives did, and so on. This means there are millions of white people who are blood-relatives of these people today. The direct lineal descendants however are only the royal houses across europe. The average person on the streets of europe is not a direct lineal descendant of these historical figures. They might just have some very distant blood-link.
Cass, I know my ancestry. If you are insinuating that maybe one of my ancestors married a cousin, or niece, or nephew blah blah, that is not the case with me. Descendant means coming from, you can not be a descendant of someone unless your lineage comes directly from that person. How dare you insinuate that I don't know my own lineage.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies:
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ You are not a direct lineal descendant of Charlamagne or William the Conqueror.
The direct lineal descendants of those historical figures are the royal families of Europe.
Of course though you could be a distant (non direct lineal) descendant, as can millions of people. If you think about it Charlamagne etc distant blood relatives who kept on marrying and having other kids and then their relatives did, and so on. This means there are millions of white people who are blood-relatives of these people today. The direct lineal descendants however are only the royal houses across europe. The average person on the streets of europe is not a direct lineal descendant of these historical figures. They might just have some very distant blood-link.
Cass, I know my ancestry. If you are insinuating that maybe one of my ancestors married a cousin, or niece, or nephew blah blah, that is not the case with me. Descendant means coming from, you can not be a descendant of someone unless your lineage comes directly from that person. How dare you insinuate that I don't know my own lineage.
Sorry, but while i agree with your anti-afrocentric stance, i think you have lied about your heritage. You have made some pretty absurb claims of descent from Boudicca, Charlamagne, William the Conqueror etc. You have also listed your ancestry as a confusing mix of Dutch, English, French, German and tried to link yourself to the ancient Picts etcetc. I don't think you will find anyone who takes this serious.
To top things off, you are an American. Perhaps this explains your confused theories of heritage. Most White Americans are a mix of many ethnicities, so it may be true you are English/French/German/Dutch etcetc however the claim you are a lineal descendant of European royalty (Charlamagne, William I etc) is laughable.
The direct descendants of those historical figures are royalty in Europe. I have a King & Queen List Chart on my wall of the royal linages of Britain going back to King Egbert. It shows William the Conqueror's linage. And guess what? You don't appear on it...
There is no need to fabricate stories about your heritage or genealogy.
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies:
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ You are not a direct lineal descendant of Charlamagne or William the Conqueror.
The direct lineal descendants of those historical figures are the royal families of Europe.
Of course though you could be a distant (non direct lineal) descendant, as can millions of people. If you think about it Charlamagne etc distant blood relatives who kept on marrying and having other kids and then their relatives did, and so on. This means there are millions of white people who are blood-relatives of these people today. The direct lineal descendants however are only the royal houses across europe. The average person on the streets of europe is not a direct lineal descendant of these historical figures. They might just have some very distant blood-link.
Cass, I know my ancestry. If you are insinuating that maybe one of my ancestors married a cousin, or niece, or nephew blah blah, that is not the case with me. Descendant means coming from, you can not be a descendant of someone unless your lineage comes directly from that person. How dare you insinuate that I don't know my own lineage.
Sorry, but while i agree with your anti-afrocentric stance, i think you have lied about your heritage. You have made some pretty absurb claims of descent from Boudicca, Charlamagne, William the Conqueror etc. You have also listed your ancestry as a confusing mix of Dutch, English, French, German and tried to link yourself to the ancient Picts etcetc. I don't think you will find anyone who takes this serious.
To top things off, you are an American. Perhaps this explains your confused theories of heritage. Most White Americans are a mix of many ethnicities, so it may be true you are English/French/German/Dutch etcetc however the claim you are a lineal descendant of European royalty (Charlamagne, William I etc) is laughable.
The direct descendants of those historical figures are royalty in Europe. I have a King & Queen List Chart on my wall of the royal linages of Britain going back to King Egbert. It shows William the Conqueror's linage. And guess what? You don't appear on it...
There is no need to fabricate stories about your heritage or genealogy.
It doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks because I know the truth. I know my lineage.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
^ Going back 300-400 years most my ancestors were clock makers. Lower-middle class, not famous, they just worked for a living. I have no shame in it.
You must have low-self esteem and self-hate if you come on the net claiming you descend from european royalty and historical personages such as boudicca and charlamagne, and fabricating your geneaology, when you are some american who has probably never even been to europe. LOL.
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ Going back 300-400 years most my ancestors were clock makers. Lower-middle class, not famous, they just worked for a living. I have no shame in it.
You must have low-self esteem and self-hate if you come on the net claiming you descend from european royalty and historical personages such as boudicca and charlamagne, and fabricating your geneaology, when you are some american who has probably never even been to europe. LOL.
Never been to Europe HAHAHAHA, Honey I was born IN Germany Munich Bavaria to be exact. Call me a liar call me any names you wish and demean & belittle me all you want, I know I'm telling the truth and that's all that matters.
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ Going back 300-400 years most my ancestors were clock makers. Lower-middle class, not famous, they just worked for a living. I have no shame in it.
You must have low-self esteem and self-hate if you come on the net claiming you descend from european royalty and historical personages such as boudicca and charlamagne, and fabricating your geneaology, when you are some american who has probably never even been to europe. LOL.
Ok I admit it none of my ancestors existed, I just sprang up from nothing, no history, no heritage, no ancestors LOL ROTFLMBO. You know you Afrocentrics can claim all the European history you want, have at it & have fun, I'm done trying to defend it only to be attacked by another white person.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^How silly you people are, one liar chiding another liar, for lying TOO much. Obviously fearing that his lies will lose creditability: the absurdity of it all.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Ok I admit it none of my ancestors existed, I just sprang up from nothing, no history, no heritage, no ancestors LOL ROTFLMBO. You know you Afrocentrics can claim all the European history you want, have at it & have fun, I'm done trying to defend it only to be attacked by another white person.
You have made some absurd and eccentric claims of your geneology. If you went in your local town and declared yourself as a direct descendant of Charlamagne, Boudica, William I etcetc they would be as much skeptical as myself, or just laugh at you...
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
Dhdoxies how old are you?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Laughing My Royal Muurish Ass Off!
Saint Columba:
One of the indigenous apostles and fathers of the British Isles. A towering figure of a man who for many students of Celtic Spirituality will view as one of the archetypes who embodied the essence of what it meant to be a Celtic saint.
Yes, he's a white man.
Nothing more than olive/brown skin most Mediterraneans have...
Are the following people negroid/muurs/blacks to you because they have a brownish tan?
.. Ironlion is labeling white people with tans or olive skin as blacks because he hates his own race. By his logic anyone with brownish skin = black/muur/negro the white tanned woman above (check her brown arms) is a black woman. Because he hates real negro women he's basically clustering white woman with mere sun tans as ''black'' in his own race. [/QB]
Indigenous from indigeos, indigos ...
You know indigo ink? That is the genetic mark of all aboriginal Muurs.
The man in the picture was from Scotland not Mediterranean. He was dark brown skin, and you my dear reptilian are pink-yellow in colour.
Pink Scots of today are pale pale pink-white. They are not brown or dark. They are not the aboriginals. We know they arrived from central Asia recently... between 5 AD to 1200 AD.
Before 5 AD, most Celts and Gauls had brown to black skin colour. Muurs. Aboriginals.
Brown comes from black.
Pink comes from the underground lizards... You must be shamed to dead by that your sallow, yellow, pink-ass ...
Muurs:
St Brigit of Ireland:
Commemorated on February 1
St. Brigid, “the Mary of the Gael,” was born around 450 in Faughart, about two miles from Dundalk, in County Louth, Ireland. According to tradition, her father was a pagan named Dubthach (the Black man), and her mother was Brocessa, one of his slaves.
As a child, Brigid was known for her compassion for the poor. She would give away food, clothing, and even her father’s possessions. …
St. Brigid received monastic tonsure at the hands of St. Mael of Ardagh. She established a monastery on land given to her by the King of Leinster. The land was called Cill Dara (Kildare), or “the church of the oak.”
This was the beginning of women’s cenobitic monasticism in Ireland. …
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ Going back 300-400 years most my ancestors were clock makers. Lower-middle class, not famous, they just worked for a living. I have no shame in it.
You must have low-self esteem and self-hate if you come on the net claiming you descend from european royalty and historical personages such as boudicca and charlamagne, and fabricating your geneaology, when you are some american who has probably never even been to europe. LOL.
Ok I admit it none of my ancestors existed, I just sprang up from nothing, no history, no heritage, no ancestors LOL ROTFLMBO. You know you Afrocentrics can claim all the European history you want, have at it & have fun, I'm done trying to defend it only to be attacked by another white person.
This is bare comedy... or perhaps a tragi-comedy.. Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies:
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ Going back 300-400 years most my ancestors were clock makers. Lower-middle class, not famous, they just worked for a living. I have no shame in it.
You must have low-self esteem and self-hate if you come on the net claiming you descend from european royalty and historical personages such as boudicca and charlamagne, and fabricating your geneaology, when you are some american who has probably never even been to europe. LOL.
Ok I admit it none of my ancestors existed, I just sprang up from nothing, no history, no heritage, no ancestors LOL ROTFLMBO. You know you Afrocentrics can claim all the European history you want, have at it & have fun, I'm done trying to defend it only to be attacked by another white person.
This is bare comedy... or perhaps a tragi-comedy..
This better than comedy. I posted historic evidence by the National database of Ireland. Major British Universeties. The Britsh archeology. And above all he/ she itself posted quotes from the 8 century A.D. Confirming what Mike has stated all this time. A black presence in medieval England.
Now some other fellow is claiming I am trying to get back at them?
But he is fooling no one here,
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Dhdoxies how old are you?
Cass STFU, I have nothing to say to you. It doesn't matter how old I am and that is of no concern to you. Fact is I'm done/finished, congrats you have done what no Afro-centric could do you have finally broken me. So far you and everyone else has accused me of lying about my lineage, lying about my last name, lying about where my ancestors were from. SCREW YOU, yes I'm mad and have every right to be.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies:
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Dhdoxies how old are you?
Cass STFU, I have nothing to say to you. It doesn't matter how old I am and that is of no concern to you. Fact is I'm done/finished, congrats you have done what no Afro-centric could do you have finally broken me. So far you and everyone else has accused me of lying about my lineage, lying about my last name, lying about where my ancestors were from. SCREW YOU, yes I'm mad and have every right to be.
LMBAO!
Cass is a cheap lair just like you!
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Great work you guys are doing in digging up material on the Black Scots. But please don't forget about the Black Irish, they are part of the story too.
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies:
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Dhdoxies how old are you?
Cass STFU, I have nothing to say to you. It doesn't matter how old I am and that is of no concern to you. Fact is I'm done/finished, congrats you have done what no Afro-centric could do you have finally broken me. So far you and everyone else has accused me of lying about my lineage, lying about my last name, lying about where my ancestors were from. SCREW YOU, yes I'm mad and have every right to be.
LMBAO!
Cass is a cheap lair just like you!
Name one lie I told that you can back up with rock solid proof. Do you have PROOF I lied about my lineage, do you have my personal family tree at your disposal? Do you have PROOF that my last name is not Moore? Nope you don't. If you do then by all means post such proof LOL.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^Sorry, the cat is outta the bag! Lol!
Cashit is no better than you, so take heart!
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ^Sorry, the cat is outta the bag! Lol!
Cashit is no better than you, so take heart!
Come on answer the question and post PROOF, you won't because you can't because you don't have any. You can't prove that I lied about my lineage as you don't have my personal family tree at your disposal, you have no proof that my last name isn't Moore.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^Are you a Muur?
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ^Are you a Muur?
If by Muur you mean Blackmoor no I'm not Black, I'm White. Ohh let me guess you are gonna say that my last name can't be Moore because I'm not Black LOL.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Iron, Moors of Scotland spoken of below by Scobie quotes McRitchie in van Sertima's Golden Age of the Moors:
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ^Are you a Muur?
The original moors were Caucasoid, not black.
read it and weap -
''In one sense the word 'Moor' means the Mohammedan Berbers and Arabs of north-western Africa, with some Syrians, who conquered most of Spain in the eighth century and dominated the country for hundreds of years, leaving behind some magnificent examples of their architecture as a lasting memorial of their presence. These so-called 'Moors' were far in advance of any of the peoples of northern Europe at that time, not only in architecture but also in literature, science, technology, industry, and agriculture; and their civilization had a permanent influence on Spain. They were Europids, unhybridized with members of any other race. The Berbers were (and are) Mediterranids, probably with some admixture from the Cromagnid subrace of ancient times. The Arabs were Orientalids, the Syrians probably of mixed Orientalid and Armenoid stock. The skin of Orientalids and of some Berbers darkens readily under the influence of sunlight, and many of them become quite dark in the exposed parts of the body. The association of dark skin with the name of 'Moors' resulted eventually in the same term being applied to Negrids." (Baker, 1974)
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"The racial character of the richer, city-dwelling Moors of Andalusia, before the time of their expulsion, may be suggested by a study of the almost wholly unmixed descendants of these emigres in Morocco. In the city of Sheshawen the old, aristocratic families are descended from the former aristocrats of Granada, and have lived endogamously since 1492. A little Riffian blood has crept in, but aside from that the Sheshawen families remain an island of Andalusian Moors on Moroccan soil... A small, homogeneous sample of these people shows a much closer relationship with Spain than with Morocco. They are a little longer-headed (194.5 mm.), a little more dolichocephalic (C.I. = 76.5) and a little longer-faced (123 mm.) than the Christian Andalusians; the bigonial diameter of 103 mm., although wide for Spain as a whole, is of Andalusian size. The Sheshawen Moors have predominantly dark brown hair and dark brown eyes, with brunet-white skin color. In facial morphology, they are fully Andalusian. The implication is that the Moors in Spain took more from the population of the peninsula, in a racial sense, than they gave." (Coon, 1939)
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ^Are you a Muur?
The original moors were Caucasoid, not black.
read it and weap -
''In one sense the word 'Moor' means the Mohammedan Berbers and Arabs of north-western Africa, with some Syrians, who conquered most of Spain in the eighth century and dominated the country for hundreds of years, leaving behind some magnificent examples of their architecture as a lasting memorial of their presence. These so-called 'Moors' were far in advance of any of the peoples of northern Europe at that time, not only in architecture but also in literature, science, technology, industry, and agriculture; and their civilization had a permanent influence on Spain. They were Europids, unhybridized with members of any other race. The Berbers were (and are) Mediterranids, probably with some admixture from the Cromagnid subrace of ancient times. The Arabs were Orientalids, the Syrians probably of mixed Orientalid and Armenoid stock. The skin of Orientalids and of some Berbers darkens readily under the influence of sunlight, and many of them become quite dark in the exposed parts of the body. The association of dark skin with the name of 'Moors' resulted eventually in the same term being applied to Negrids." (Baker, 1974)
* * *
"The racial character of the richer, city-dwelling Moors of Andalusia, before the time of their expulsion, may be suggested by a study of the almost wholly unmixed descendants of these emigres in Morocco. In the city of Sheshawen the old, aristocratic families are descended from the former aristocrats of Granada, and have lived endogamously since 1492. A little Riffian blood has crept in, but aside from that the Sheshawen families remain an island of Andalusian Moors on Moroccan soil... A small, homogeneous sample of these people shows a much closer relationship with Spain than with Morocco. They are a little longer-headed (194.5 mm.), a little more dolichocephalic (C.I. = 76.5) and a little longer-faced (123 mm.) than the Christian Andalusians; the bigonial diameter of 103 mm., although wide for Spain as a whole, is of Andalusian size. The Sheshawen Moors have predominantly dark brown hair and dark brown eyes, with brunet-white skin color. In facial morphology, they are fully Andalusian. The implication is that the Moors in Spain took more from the population of the peninsula, in a racial sense, than they gave." (Coon, 1939)
Both of the quotes above are outdated debunked and refuted nonsense anyway.
And Berbers aren't Mediterranids. Riffians makeup only a small fraction of the entire population. Plus both authors have a history of being extremely racist. They didn't mention one word on Saqalibas and Mamluks etc...or how Riffian pirates kidnapped Europeans such as British, Dutch etc..and kept them as slaves at the Riff and sold them to other parts of Morocco. Your authors don't mention any of this. Nor do we read anything about the Roman, Byzantine or Vandals invasions. For this reason it's considered outdated prejudice selective nonsense and far from overall credible.
Repost, read it and weap.
This is the Riff, lol
Here you see Berbers from the South, Saharans! lol
Yorkshireman found to share DNA with African tribes
Scientists from Leicester University made the finding during research sponsored by The Wellcome Trust.
They were examining the relationship between the male, or Y, chromosome and surnames.
Like surnames, the Y-chromosome is passed from father to son, virtually unchanged through generations.
Professor Mark Jobling said: "We found John was in the A1 group of Y-chromosomes, which is very rare and highly west African-specific.
The University's Director of Archaeological Museums, Lindsay Allason-Jones, who has organized an exhibition of the Museum's Romano-African artefacts to coincide with Black History Month, says: 'From the evidence we have here, it is clear that colour was no bar to the status an individual could achieve in the Roman Empire'...
“Africans have been present in Europe from classical times. In the 2nd and 3rd centuries Roman soldiers of African origin served in Britain, and some stayed after their military service ended. According to the historians Fryer, Edwards and Walvin, in the 9th century Viking fleets raided North Africa and Spain, captured Black people, and took them to Britain and Ireland.
From the end of the 15th century we begin to see more evidence for the presence of Black Moors in the accounts of the reign of King James IV of Scotland, and later in Elizabethan England.”
* Source "ANOTHER AFROCENTRIC" lol: The National Archives of Scotland.
"The King Provides Clothes for the Party A variety of fabrics were used to make clothing for the Moors - velvet ('wellus'), woollen kersey ('carsay') and fine Holland linen - which was decorated or fastened with buttons, rings or other ornaments ('mailyeis'). These were paid for by the treasury of King James IV. It seems that these Moors were not servants; it is more likely that they were invited guests staying at the palace. Accounts of the Lord High Treasurer of Scotland, vol. 3, p. 101 (1505)"
"The King Requests an Audience with a Black Baby This extract from the Lord High Treasurer's accounts show that in 1505/6 a payment of 28 shillings was made to 'the nuris that brocht the Moris barne to see, be the Kingis command'. The king must have known of this child to ask to see it." "The child may have been that of the 'More taubronar', the Black drummer at court. Treasury accounts also itemise accommodation for the 'wife of the taubronar and his barne'. This would suggest that the drummer was living at the palace with his family. Accounts of the Lord High Treasurer of Scotland, vol. 3, p. 182 (1505/6)"
This image, an extract from the 60ft-long Westminster Tournament Roll, shows six trumpeters, one of whom is Black and is almost certainly John Blanke. All the trumpeters are wearing yellow and grey, with blue purses at their waists. John Blanke is the only one wearing a brown turban latticed with yellow. He is mounted on a grey horse with a black harness.
The image of who they speak...so let us make no mistake about it. lol
Westminster Tournament Roll (1511) By permission of The College of Arms, London
So who were the Numerus Maurorum Aurelianorum and why are they so important to the Black British community? Our key evidence for this unit is a 4th century inscription, found in 1934 at the village of Beaumont two miles east of Burgh-by-Sands on the banks of the River Eden, and known as the Beaumont inscription. Translated from the Latin it reads:
To Jupiter Best and Greatest and the Majesty of our two Emperors, to the Genius [guardian spirit] of the numerus of Aurelian Moors, Valerianus’ and Gallienus’ own, Caelius Vibianus, cohort-tribune in charge of the above-mentioned numerus, [set up this altar] through the agency of Julius Rufinus, senior centurion.
Our ancestors who founded Scotland would have ironic pleasure in it planning its independence.
By the way, this thread has some very nice images of our people.
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Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
The Scottish Kilt:
Kilt: The Scots may have developed the kilt during the 16th century; English Quaker Thomas Rawlinson may have made it wearable in the 1720s, but the orgins of the kilt lie in ancient [black] Egypt [...in Africa], where the shendyt was worn.
I love kilts but I wear pagne's.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
the Fir Bolg king
Celtic Mythology
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Saint Maelrubha of Scotland....
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: The Scottish Kilt:
Kilt: The Scots may have developed the kilt during the 16th century; English Quaker Thomas Rawlinson may have made it wearable in the 1720s, but the orgins of the kilt lie in ancient [black] Egypt [...in Africa], where the shendyt was worn.
Saint Kenelm (or Cynehelm) was an Anglo-Saxon saint, venerated throughout medieval England, and mentioned in the Canterbury Tales (the Nun's Priest's Tale, lines 290–301, in which the cock Chaunteecleer tries to demonstrate the reality of prophetic dreams to his wife Pertelote). William of Malmesbury, writing in the 12th century, recounted that "there was no place in England to which more pilgrims travelled than to Winchcombe on Kenelm's feast day".
Saint Aidan of Lindisfarne, the Apostle of Northumbria (died 651), was the founder and first bishop of the monastery on the island of Lindisfarne in England.
He brought the Christian ministry to England beginning with Northumbria. England was originally Christianized by the Romans but following the fall of the Roman administration it quickly became pagan again.
Meanwhile in Ireland, Christian monks from Egypt and Ethiopia, were busy establishing the basis of Irish monasticism, a direct export from the deserts of Egypt to the gusty land of Ireland. Any one who needs further information in this area can research on the Internet, “the origins of Irish Monasticism”.
Aidan was actually a Black Irish man. Even though the so-called white Irish of today would have you believe that Ireland has always been pale white, facts and history tell us otherwise.
In the annals of the Kings of Ireland, in the museums of Ireland, in the Churches of Ireland, there is preserved a living history of the dark brown race of Africans who first populated Ireland.
Their history, their culture, their music, their impact remain alive in today’s Irish culture.
For instance, the bag-pipe of Ireland, and its music comes from the traditions of the ancient Nomadic Black tribes of North Africa otherwise called the Moors in ancient times. Certain aspects of the Gaelic language of Ireland recalls its African roots. Certain parts of Ireland, even today still appear unusually dark, testifying to the genetic footprints of their ancestors.
The family names Moore, Marrow, are big in Ireland.
Aidan was one of those Black Moorish Irish. His paintings so testify.
After the wars of the reformation and the counter reformations, with the emergence of protestantism, the movement under which the so-called whites of Europe became prominent and dominant for the first time, many images of the ancient black saints were overlaid and re-painted white....
Ireland have St Bridgit, Haitian Vodou have a Loa name Grande Brigitte.
In the book Black Contribution to Civilization Aylmer Von Fleischer states in the British Isle the last names Murdock, Kennedy and McDonald belonged to black British tribes
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Saint Columba was a Moorish European original Irish gaelic born in 529 AD. He was an aborigine as his roots were already there before the migration of the Germans and the Albions into Ireland.
He was a Gaelic Irish missionary monk who propagated Christianity among the Picts during the Early Medieval Period. He was one of the Twelve Apostles of Ireland.
He was very zealous in his work as a missionary. In addition to founding several churches in the Hebrides, he founded many schools as branches of his monastery at Iona.
He is credited as having revitalized monasticism in Ireland and Scotland. He was a renowned man of letters credited with having transcribed 300 books. He was part of the movement that laid down the foundations that educated not only Ireland but the whole of Europe. Monasticism became the basis for later day Universities. Columba was also inclined musically. He wrote several church hymns.
Columba died on Iona and was buried in AD 597 by his monks in the abbey he created.
It is a fact that the Clan MacCallum and Clan Malcolm of the Scots are descended from the original followers of Columba. Also, the Clan Robertson are heirs of Columba.
It has been said that “Clan MacKinnon may also have some claim to being spiritual descendants of St Columcille as after he founded his monastery on Isle Iona, the MacKinnons were the abbots of the Church for centuries.”
The Clan MacKinnon is amongst the most ancient clans of Scotland.
Postcripts:
Today, the image and identity of Saint Columba has been distorted so much by the racist elites super government who divide and rule the children of the earth.
It is not known that Saint Columba was a so-called black man, a Moorish European. He was Gaelic aboriginal. Before Ireland and Caledonia (Scotland) were captured and ethnically cleansed, the Gaelics looked like Saint Columba. Take note.
So the vested interested decided to repaint him peach coloured pink. So when you do a search on the net or in the libraries, you will be hard put to find a Saint Columba painting or image that renders him so to speak in his proud and original melanin rich Moorish colours.
The Honorable Prophet Ali Drew, taught us that even among today’s pale skin Irish people, some still carry old Moorish blood.
Let’s pause a moment on the interconnections of history; the greatness of the ancient Moors whom we hear about so dimly but rarely appreciate.
Let us celebrate truth and humanity. Let us fight the lies of Babylon system who rule and divide us, and make profit off us, and then laugh after us.
Sources
Gratton-Flood, W.H. (1913). “The Twelve Apostles of Erin”. Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. Retrieved 2008-02-09.
Dowley, Tim, et al., ed. (1977), Eerdman’s Handbook to the History of Christianity, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans Publishing, ISBN 0-8028-3450-7
“Duff, a surname adopted from the Celtic, in which languagethe word means black. Sibbald, in his History of Fife, says,” that as Niger and Rufus were names of families amongst the Romans, from the colour and complexion of men, so itseems Duff was, from the swarthy and black colour of thoseof the tribe,” or clan of Macduff.”-The Scottish nation; or, The surnames, families, literature, honours, and biographical history of the people of Scotland (1877) by William Anderson
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
The primitive race of Scotland was long-skulled, short in stature, and probably very dark in complexion”- RENFREWSHIRE (1912) by FREDERICK MORT, M.A., B.Sc., F.G.S. Fellow of the RoyalScottish Geographical SocietyLate Lecturer in Geology, Glasgow University
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: The primitive race of Scotland was long-skulled, short in stature, and probably very dark in complexion”- RENFREWSHIRE (1912) by FREDERICK MORT, M.A., B.Sc., F.G.S. Fellow of the RoyalScottish Geographical SocietyLate Lecturer in Geology, Glasgow University
Roman General beheading the Celtic King...
This is a detail from a distance slab put up by the II Legion Augusta on the Antonine Wall, found in Bridgeness and now in the National Museum of Scotland:
Note their kinky (Kingly) hair.... Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: The primitive race of Scotland was long-skulled, short in stature, and probably very dark in complexion”- RENFREWSHIRE (1912) by FREDERICK MORT, M.A., B.Sc., F.G.S. Fellow of the RoyalScottish Geographical SocietyLate Lecturer in Geology, Glasgow University
Roman General beheading the Celtic King...
This is a detail from a distance slab put up by the II Legion Augusta on the Antonine Wall, found in Bridgeness and now in the National Museum of Scotland:
Note their kinky (Kingly) hair....
Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
Roman stela showing black or mulato Roman General killing the black celtic people.
The good movie Centurion show the Roman army never conquered Scotland. The Celtic Picti army annihilated an entire Roman Legion in the Scotish forest. Nice classical music at the end of the movie.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: The primitive race of Scotland was long-skulled, short in stature, and probably very dark in complexion”- RENFREWSHIRE (1912) by FREDERICK MORT, M.A., B.Sc., F.G.S. Fellow of the RoyalScottish Geographical SocietyLate Lecturer in Geology, Glasgow University
Roman General beheading the Celtic King...
This is a detail from a distance slab put up by the II Legion Augusta on the Antonine Wall, found in Bridgeness and now in the National Museum of Scotland:
Note their kinky (Kingly) hair....
Haney,
Are those guys Scots??
Will Ferrell without the hot Muurish fake curls:
Any pink boy with true curls has some Muurish blood!
Any pink ass with some colour on him, comes from dark roots... Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
^^^ This is Will Ferrell's natural hair
It may come as a shock but some white people have curly hair
Because the curls are large their hair looks less curly when cut shorter as we saw with Justin Timberlake.
And some of these curly haired white people will also use some hair products and straighten their hair more When they do this a Ironlion says it is their real hair and that their naturally curly hair is fake.
He does this because curly haired white people defy his racial theories Naturally curly haired white people make him comfortable, so he pretends they don't exist
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
No Haney, a curly hair white person is a mulatto. Just like a brownish looking white person has to be a mulatto.
The wool of the lamb, and the shade of darkness only belong to the Black race.
Learn:
quote: Posted by: Val Pearson randommomster • 5 months ago
When I was in Anthropology, I learned that mixed-race babies could be "as dark as the darkest parent or as light as the lightest parent." the best photo I've seen of this was one of Mariah Carey doing H.S. cheerleader routines with her brother-full siblings with drastically contrasting skin color. My grandchild is mixed, white mom and AA father-she is as light as her mom, with gorgeous dark, soft curly hair. Her father was dark. We love her very much! People who meet her all remark that she is beautiful! I am of Scandinavian heritage & think the concept of "racial purity" is ridiculous! And probably not desirable, since genetic diseases could be more prominent. http://blog.23andme.com/ancestry/our-hidden-african-ancestry/
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: a curly hair white person is a mulatto.
^^^ untrue statement
unsupported by genetics or afrocentric writers
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: a curly hair white person is a mulatto.
^^^ untrue statement
unsupported by genetics or afrocentric writers
Learn:
Population Genetics deals with ancestry not colour. Anthropology deals with colour, culture, race, ....
quote: Posted by: Val Pearson randommomster • 5 months ago
When I was in Anthropology, I learned that mixed-race babies could be "as dark as the darkest parent or as light as the lightest parent." the best photo I've seen of this was one of Mariah Carey doing H.S. cheerleader routines with her brother-full siblings with drastically contrasting skin color. My grandchild is mixed, white mom and AA father-she is as light as her mom, with gorgeous dark, soft curly hair. Her father was dark. We love her very much! People who meet her all remark that she is beautiful! I am of Scandinavian heritage & think the concept of "racial purity" is ridiculous! And probably not desirable, since genetic diseases could be more prominent. http://blog.23andme.com/ancestry/our-hidden-african-ancestry/
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
No virgin blooded pinks have wooly or curly hair.
The grapevine motif of the ancient Scottish Kings indicates wooly hair.
St Columba of Scotland was a Black Celt. Did you not see his painting or are you having a bout of myopia?
Same people....
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by mena7: Saint Brigit
Maman Brigitte VeVe
Ireland have St Bridgit, Haitian Vodou have a Loa name Grande Brigitte.
In the book Black Contribution to Civilization Aylmer Von Fleischer states in the British Isle the last names Murdock, Kennedy and McDonald belonged to black British tribes
Linguists say a study of Irish and other Celtic languages has produced possible evidence that when the Celts invaded Ireland and Britain there were already Afro-Asiatic speakers here. Celtic languages – Irish, Scots Gaelic and Welsh – incorporate grammatical traits found in Afro-Asiatic tongues that are otherwise unrelated, according to research published last week in Science magazine.
Find me one anthropologist that says a all curly haired white people are mulattoes
otherwise stop the nonsense
thanks, lioness
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
a curly hair white person is a mulatto.
^^^ untrue statement
unsupported by Anthropology
Find me one anthropologist that says a all curly haired white people are mulattoes
otherwise stop the nonsense
thanks, lioness
Because you say it is untrue does not make it so.
Life teaches otherwise.
Do you understand the statement below?
quote:The primitive race of Scotland was long-skulled, short in stature, and probably very dark in complexion”- RENFREWSHIRE (1912) by FREDERICK MORT, M.A., B.Sc., F.G.S. Fellow of the RoyalScottish Geographical SocietyLate Lecturer in Geology, Glasgow University.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: [QUOTE]Originally posted by IronLion: [qb] The primitive race of Scotland was long-skulled, short in stature, and probably very dark in complexion”- RENFREWSHIRE (1912) by FREDERICK MORT, M.A., B.Sc., F.G.S. Fellow of the RoyalScottish Geographical SocietyLate Lecturer in Geology, Glasgow University
Roman General beheading the Celtic King...
This is a detail from a distance slab put up by the II Legion Augusta on the Antonine Wall, found in Bridgeness and now in the National Museum of Scotland:
Note their kinky (Kingly) hair....
...
"Another group of blacks in the ancient British Isles were the Picts. David MacRitchie called the Picts “Moors” (i.e. black), and then states that it was clear that the Silures were Picts. (Ancient and Modern Britons: a Retrospect, Vol. 3 by David MacRitchie, London: Kegan Paul, Tench & Co., 1884, pg. 187) The Picts are acknowledged as the earliest inhabitants of Scotland. They ruled Scotland for more than 500 years."
“The Highlanders are generally dimunitive, with brown complexions, and almost always with black curled hair and dark eyes.” (Annals of Caledonian, Picts, and Scots by Joseph Ritson, Vol. II, Edinburgh: Ward D. Laing, 1828, footnote pp. 7, 27)"
(April 16, 1851 - January 14, 1925) was a Scottish folklorist and antiquarian.
Fairy Euhemerism, as developed by MacRitchie attempts to rationally explain the origin of fairies in British folklore and regards fairies as being a folk-memory of a "small-statured pre-Celtic race" or what Tylor theorised as possible folk memories of the aborigines of Britain.[11][12] MacRitchie's theory subsequently became known in the late 19th century by folklorists as the "Ethnological or Pygmy Theory".[13] The euhemeristic theory of fairies became considerably popular through MacRitchie's key works The Testimony of Tradition (1890) and Fians, Fairies and Picts (1893).[14][15] Different theories however in the late 19th century and early 20th century surfaced concerning the racial origin of the proposed dwarf aborigines of Britain and these theories ranged from proposing that they were real African Pygmies, Eskimos or a short statured Mediterranean race.[16][17][18] MacRitchie himself argued in his Testimony of Tradition, under a chapter subheading entitled "A Hairy Race" (p. 167) that they were somewhat connected to the Lapps or Eskimos, but were a distinct race because of their very long beards, concluding: "one seems to see the type of a race that was even more like the Ainu than the Lapp, or the Eskimo, although closely connected in various ways with all of these" (p. 173). In MacRitchie's view the indigenous population of Britain were thus a "quasi-European" Ainu race, with minor Mongoloid traits who he considered ancestral to the Picts, a view earlier proposed by Walter Scott.[19][20][21] The identification of fairies with Picts, MacRitichie based primarily on the earlier accounts by Adam of Bremen and the Historia Norwegiæ which describe the Picts of Orkney as "only a little exceeding pygmies in stature".[22] MacRitchie also discovered through the The Orcadian Sketch-Book by Walter Traill Dennison (1880) that legends across Scotland describe the homes (usually underground dwellings) of the fairies as "Pict's Houses" and so he believed the Picts were literally the basis of fairies in British folklore.[23][24] In Fians, Fairies and Picts (1893), The Northern Trolls (1898) and The Aborigines of Shetland and Orkney (1924) MacRitchie attempted to further identify the fairies of British folklore with the Finfolk of Orkney mythology, the Trows of Shetland myth, the Fianna of Old Irish Literature and the Trolls as well as the Svartálfar and Svartálfaheimr (elves or dwarfs) of Norse mythology. A 12th-century Irish manuscript is found referenced in Fians, Fairies and Picts which equates the Fianna to fairies, but this is one of the few literary sources MacRitchie used as evidence, instead he turned to philology and comparative mythology.
Illustration of a short-statured Ainu from David MacRitchie's The Testimony of Tradition (1890). MacRitchie believed the native inhabitants of Britain looked similar.
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this is not history it's a white dude freestyling on opium
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: .
David MacRitchie(April 16, 1851 - January 14, 1925) was a Scottish folklorist and antiquarian. He wrote about Black kings of Scotland.
FREDERICK MORT, M.A., B.Sc., F.G.S. was Fellow of the Royal Scottish Geographical Society Late Lecturer in Geology, Glasgow University. He wrote about Black kings of Scotland.
Joseph Ritson, Annals of Caledonian, Picts, and Scots, Vol. II, Edinburgh:1828. He wrote about Black kings of Scotland.
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this is not history it's a white dudes freestyling on opium
LMAO! honey you are not even Scottish and have prolly never been to Scotland.. Ok, I know you got high shool diploma, but...ehm..
Go ahead, shoot all the messengers... Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: .
David MacRitchie(April 16, 1851 - January 14, 1925) was a Scottish folklorist and antiquarian. He wrote about Black kings of Scotland.
FREDERICK MORT, M.A., B.Sc., F.G.S. was Fellow of the Royal Scottish Geographical Society Late Lecturer in Geology, Glasgow University. He wrote about Black kings of Scotland.
Joseph Ritson, Annals of Caledonian, Picts, and Scots, Vol. II, Edinburgh:1828. He wrote about Black kings of Scotland.
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this is not history it's a white dudes freestyling on opium
LMAO! honey you are not even Scottish and have prolly never been to Scotland.. Ok, I know you got high shool diploma, but...ehm..
Go ahead, shoot all the messengers...
The Caledonian Hunt shown on a Roman frieze (sculpture or carved scene)
Posted by Trollkillah # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
^^^ This is Will Ferrell's natural hair
It may come as a shock but some white people have curly hair
Because the curls are large their hair looks less curly when cut shorter as we saw with Justin Timberlake.
And some of these curly haired white people will also use some hair products and straighten their hair more When they do this a Ironlion says it is their real hair and that their naturally curly hair is fake.
He does this because curly haired white people defy his racial theories Naturally curly haired white people make him comfortable, so he pretends they don't exist
This sentence here, speaks on so many levels.
It may come as a shock but some white people have curly hair.
Yet, all Africans are suppose to have tight kicky hair. If not, they are mixed. And you'll go trough trial and tribulation to prove so. But it was cool to read "your elaborate expertise" on "white people's hair". Look at your defend triad. Posted by Trollkillah # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
a curly hair white person is a mulatto.
^^^ untrue statement
unsupported by Anthropology
Find me one anthropologist that says a all curly haired white people are mulattoes
otherwise stop the nonsense
thanks, lioness
I can imagine, this somehow wouldn't benefit the "cause".
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: The primitive race of Scotland was long-skulled, short in stature, and probably very dark in complexion”- RENFREWSHIRE (1912) by FREDERICK MORT, M.A., B.Sc., F.G.S. Fellow of the RoyalScottish Geographical SocietyLate Lecturer in Geology, Glasgow University
Roman General beheading the Celtic King...
This is a detail from a distance slab put up by the II Legion Augusta on the Antonine Wall, found in Bridgeness and now in the National Museum of Scotland:
Note their kinky (Kingly) hair....
Again these pictures? They are all over the place.
Not only are you ignorant, but also arrogantly ignoring the presence of Africans in early Britain.
Impulsive liar.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: The primitive race of Scotland was long-skulled, short in stature, and probably very dark in complexion”- RENFREWSHIRE (1912) by FREDERICK MORT, M.A., B.Sc., F.G.S. Fellow of the RoyalScottish Geographical SocietyLate Lecturer in Geology, Glasgow University
Roman General beheading the Celtic King...
This is a detail from a distance slab put up by the II Legion Augusta on the Antonine Wall, found in Bridgeness and now in the National Museum of Scotland:
Note their kinky (Kingly) hair....
Sir William Wallace (Medieval Gaelic: Uilliam Uallas; modern Scottish Gaelic: Uilleam Uallas; Norman French: William le Waleys;[2] c. 1270 – 23 August 1305) was a Scottish landowner who became one of the main leaders during the Wars of Scottish Independence.
Posted by Gor (Member # 21978) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: .
David MacRitchie
(April 16, 1851 - January 14, 1925) was a Scottish folklorist and antiquarian.
Fairy Euhemerism, as developed by MacRitchie attempts to rationally explain the origin of fairies in British folklore and regards fairies as being a folk-memory of a "small-statured pre-Celtic race" or what Tylor theorised as possible folk memories of the aborigines of Britain.[11][12] MacRitchie's theory subsequently became known in the late 19th century by folklorists as the "Ethnological or Pygmy Theory".[13] The euhemeristic theory of fairies became considerably popular through MacRitchie's key works The Testimony of Tradition (1890) and Fians, Fairies and Picts (1893).[14][15] Different theories however in the late 19th century and early 20th century surfaced concerning the racial origin of the proposed dwarf aborigines of Britain and these theories ranged from proposing that they were real African Pygmies, Eskimos or a short statured Mediterranean race.[16][17][18] MacRitchie himself argued in his Testimony of Tradition, under a chapter subheading entitled "A Hairy Race" (p. 167) that they were somewhat connected to the Lapps or Eskimos, but were a distinct race because of their very long beards, concluding: "one seems to see the type of a race that was even more like the Ainu than the Lapp, or the Eskimo, although closely connected in various ways with all of these" (p. 173). In MacRitchie's view the indigenous population of Britain were thus a "quasi-European" Ainu race, with minor Mongoloid traits who he considered ancestral to the Picts, a view earlier proposed by Walter Scott.[19][20][21] The identification of fairies with Picts, MacRitichie based primarily on the earlier accounts by Adam of Bremen and the Historia Norwegiæ which describe the Picts of Orkney as "only a little exceeding pygmies in stature".[22] MacRitchie also discovered through the The Orcadian Sketch-Book by Walter Traill Dennison (1880) that legends across Scotland describe the homes (usually underground dwellings) of the fairies as "Pict's Houses" and so he believed the Picts were literally the basis of fairies in British folklore.[23][24] In Fians, Fairies and Picts (1893), The Northern Trolls (1898) and The Aborigines of Shetland and Orkney (1924) MacRitchie attempted to further identify the fairies of British folklore with the Finfolk of Orkney mythology, the Trows of Shetland myth, the Fianna of Old Irish Literature and the Trolls as well as the Svartálfar and Svartálfaheimr (elves or dwarfs) of Norse mythology. A 12th-century Irish manuscript is found referenced in Fians, Fairies and Picts which equates the Fianna to fairies, but this is one of the few literary sources MacRitchie used as evidence, instead he turned to philology and comparative mythology.
Illustration of a short-statured Ainu from David MacRitchie's The Testimony of Tradition (1890). MacRitchie believed the native inhabitants of Britain looked similar.
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this is not history it's a white dude freestyling on opium
I wrote all that in 2011. Actually the fairy euhemerism isn't crazy at all, I've always thought goblins, fairies, dwarves and so on in British folklore could have been based on some people of diminutive size (either pathological, or a shorter-statured population that had a different diet etc). There are actually Neolithic remains of pygmy-sized skeletons across Europe. You have to dig them up in old 19th century sources, such as Julius Kollmann.
Posted by Gor (Member # 21978) on :
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish
Not only are you ignorant, but also arrogantly ignoring the presence of Africans in early Britain.
It depends what you mean by "early". The Roman colonists made the first cosmopolitan cities across England, such as York. It is estimated up to 20% of the population was "non-local", having settled from other parts of the empire. However this includes peoples from Gaul, and so on. Africans would only have been a small fraction of this 20%. So its fair to say while there was an "African presence" it was very limited.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Now , after reading the latest genetic report on Richard III is Cass and Dhoxie proud of their "Royals".
Lol! What is with these white people and the compulsion to lie.
Apparently NONE of the people who claimed to be Richard's descendants are his descendants. Lol! They are all imposters. In fact his maternal line and paternal line are NOT typical Europeans. MtDNA J1 and male hg-G2-287
So where are the black kings of Europe?
Posted by kdolo (Member # 21830) on :
Did you notice that all the outlets reporting the story stress that he had BLOND HAIR and BLUE EYES !!!!!! - i guess to further distract from the Mtdna- HG evidence.
One the things that stands out from this paper is “hesitation” of the researchers to disclose the MTDNA lineage of Richard III. You need to dig beep in the Supplemental and it is buried away in a parenthesis in a simple sentence. Surprisingly Richards III mother is NOT hg-H the typical modern European lineage but J1 found….where?
So what really happened in Europe during the Middle Ages. What happened to the Black Kings of Europe.
Maybe Bass, Beyoku, Dr Winters, Sage or other in the know can take a bite out of this. What am I on about?
Several pieces of information were disclosed and others strangely NOT included. Are they being deceptive?
1. SLC24A5 and the related SNP was NOT disclosed. They listed SLC24A4. Why? 2. SLC45A2 was disclosed but the related SNP seems different to what is typically used as an indicator. 3. Ditto for TYR/2 4. He was documented as having round face and large teeth and very thin 5. Looks like he did have light eyes, may be blue 6. STR pop affinity was disclosed 7. No LCT was disclosed
What am I blabbering about?.....Richards was NOT your typical modern European. He seems reminiscent of the Otzi Alps Iceman
So…can the gene experts jump on this?. See what you get. I don’t have the time
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
The genetic data released showed he probably had light eyes. Blonde hair is pushing. But irregardless, BOTH HE male and female line is atypical of modern Europeans. G2 and J1 NOT R1b and mtDNA H. WTF happened in to the Royals? Blue blood is Black Blood?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
At the "experts". Here is a clue. When the profile of Otzi first came out they referenced an atypical SNP on SLC45A2 to claim Otzi as white. They have since backed off that claim ....and SNP.
I believe that is why they chose not disclose SLC45A2 for Richard but referenced an atypical SNP. Check it out. There is no data on SLC24A5.
I am onto their tricks now. Anyone?
Posted by Dead (Member # 21978) on :
We're well within recorded history dummy. We have eyewitness physical descriptions of the royals, stretching back to the Anglo Saxons.
Absolutely none are described as dark, swarthy or black, instead those that are described by complexion are noted to be white or rosy skinned. A high percentage of them are also described as fair/yellow/blonde haired. These obviously aren't "black" people.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Yeah! Yeah! "Recorded" lies. As I said genetics are exposing the lies. Anglo-Saxons, yeah, riiiight! Notice SLC24A5 was NOT disclosed. Btw this is his Hirisplex data. I can't make this stuff up. Lol!
quote:Originally posted by Dead: We're well within recorded history dummy. We have eyewitness physical descriptions of the royals, stretching back to the Anglo Saxons.
Absolutely none are described as dark, swarthy or black, instead those that are described by complexion are noted to be white or rosy skinned. A high percentage of them are also described as fair/yellow/blonde haired. These obviously aren't "black" people.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
You do know his "portrait" was drawn long AFTER his death.
His profile is reminiscent of La Brana. With mtDNA J and yDNA G2 and a genetic profile like in the table, he was no "Anglo-Saxon" sic.
But you knew that already, didn't you?
You do know that there is no know match in the "European" database. Meaning the royals and Anglo Saxons are ,.........Fake!!!!!! or There was no "recorded history" of Richards mother fuching a swarthy man. But wait ......Richards mother was also .....swarthy. Anglo Saxons my .....
Posted by Habsburg (Member # 21824) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dead: We're well within recorded history dummy. We have eyewitness physical descriptions of the royals, stretching back to the Anglo Saxons.
Absolutely none are described as dark, swarthy or black, instead those that are described by complexion are noted to be white or rosy skinned. A high percentage of them are also described as fair/yellow/blonde haired. These obviously aren't "black" people.
Do some people come on here to make comments so that others can waste their time responding to them?
quote:“Anne Boleyn was rather tall in stature with black hair and an oval face of sallow complexion.” Nicholas Sander
“Not one of the handsomest women in the world; she is of middling stature, swarthy complexion, long neck, wide mouth, a bosom not much raised and eyes which are black and beautiful.” Francesco Sanuto, Venetian diplomat
quote:“Her face is comely rather than handsome, but she is tall and well-formed, with good skin, though swarthy; she has fine eyes.” Venetian Ambassador, Giovanni Michiele, 1557.
As we know, Elizabeth I inherited many things from her mother. Although she had the Tudor red hair, her coal black eyes and swarthy skin were inherited from her mother and Borman lists the character traits that Elizabeth got from
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
As I said genetics is going to make liars out of modern European “history” books. I predict it would get so bad that they would start outright falsifying data. The current MO of “burying” data in Supplementals or manipulating it will no longer work as we all get caught up understanding this stuff.
You brought up the discussion in the nick of time. I was just preparing that table and other analysis to post on ESR. I will post the rest on ESR. Stay tuned.
And you do know" not even the vikings were white". But then you nveer saw the genetic analysis of Vikings. tsk! tsk!
Oh! And you do know that most of the “pre-medieval” Royals were also y-DNA Hg-G!!! Seems like “swarthy” people ruled Europe until about the 1400’s. …..Anglo-Saxons. Gaffa! HA! HA!
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
I don’t know much about the English Monarchy but the geneticists are suggesting that the “Tudors” may be imposters to the throne. Red hair, black eyes, swarthy skin hmmmm!
The only way to confirm the connection is testing the remains of Edward III and John of Gaunt(Tudor) because obviously John Gaunt and Richard III is not related through Edward III. There was obviously some serious Jerry Springer bedroom action going on. “Who’s your baby daddy” lol!
As we know, Elizabeth I inherited many things from her mother. Although she had the Tudor red hair, her coal black eyes and swarthy skin were inherited from her mother and Borman lists the character traits that Elizabeth got from
Posted by Dead (Member # 21978) on :
[QUOTE]“Anne Boleyn was rather tall in stature with black hair and an oval face of sallow complexion.” Nicholas Sander
“Not one of the handsomest women in the world; she is of middling stature, swarthy complexion, long neck, wide mouth, a bosom not much raised and eyes which are black and beautiful.” Francesco Sanuto, Venetian diplomat
These never were eye-witness descriptions, her detractors made them up:
"Of Henry's six wives, the appearances of Anne Boleyn and Anne of Cleves have engendered the most colour assessments as well as the most staggering misrepresentations. During Anne Bolyen's reign, but also in the centuries following her execution, Anne's detractors linked blemishes in her physical appearance to failures of character, a pattern also evident in numerous fairy tales." (Carney, 2012)
Posted by Dead (Member # 21978) on :
Congrats, out of 50+ royals you can find only one who is described as 'swarthy' from a reliable source. Is that not telling you something? The vast majority on the link I provided are described as white or rosy skinned.
But even your single 'swarthy' skinned royal is described as red-haired. lol.
Posted by Habsburg (Member # 21824) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dead:
We're well within recorded history dummy. We have eyewitness physical descriptions of the royals, stretching back to the Anglo Saxons.
...
Absolutely none are described as dark, swarthy or black,
You made a blatantly false statement which has been countered, your subsequent excuses are not even relevant.
Just to drive the point home how about this description about Phillipa of Hainault? Is this also the work of her detractors.
quote: ... Her ears and chin are comely enough. Her neck, shoulders, and all her body are well set and unmaimed; and nought is amiss so far as a man may see. Moreover, she is brown of skin all over , and much like her father; ...
Elizabeth's very dark eyes are evidence that it was extremely unlikely that she was a natural blonde or redhead unless she was mixed race or had some albino traits. Many whites are probably unaware of such details.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
To the newbies and those who don't get it. The final determination for skin pigmentation is his genetic marker at SLC24A5 at SNP rs1426654. This is the new standard. This was oddly NOT disclosed. All other supporting data indicates he was dark skin ie ancestral except SLC45A2. His TWO parental markers were NOT typical modern European found in the current royal family. Indicating something funky went in in the past. But oddly enough BOTH sex markers are not typical European.
I guess you missed that. Delusional lying "Europeans"
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Yeah! Yeah! "Recorded" lies. As I said genetics are exposing the lies. Anglo-Saxons, yeah, riiiight! Notice SLC24A5 was NOT disclosed. Btw this is his Hirisplex data. I can't make this stuff up. Lol!
quote:Originally posted by Dead: We're well within recorded history dummy. We have eyewitness physical descriptions of the royals, stretching back to the Anglo Saxons.
Absolutely none are described as dark, swarthy or black, instead those that are described by complexion are noted to be white or rosy skinned. A high percentage of them are also described as fair/yellow/blonde haired. These obviously aren't "black" people.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
See Beyoku. I did the work for you. I say he was black/swarthy unless more evidence is presented on SLC24A5.
Anyone?
oh! He was "mixed" at a few SNPs ie heterogenous and NOT homologous. Think two allele ie two parents.
Posted by Dead (Member # 21978) on :
quote:Originally posted by Habsburg:
quote:Originally posted by Dead:
We're well within recorded history dummy. We have eyewitness physical descriptions of the royals, stretching back to the Anglo Saxons.
...
Absolutely none are described as dark, swarthy or black,
You made a blatantly false statement which has been countered, your subsequent excuses are not even relevant.
Just to drive the point home how about this description about Phillipa of Hainault? Is this also the work of her detractors.
quote: ... Her ears and chin are comely enough. Her neck, shoulders, and all her body are well set and unmaimed; and nought is amiss so far as a man may see. Moreover, she is brown of skin all over , and much like her father; ...
Elizabeth's very dark eyes are evidence that it was extremely unlikely that she was a natural blonde or redhead unless she was mixed race or had some albino traits. Many whites are probably unaware of such details.
Incorrect, I posted a link of physical descriptions of 50+ royals, none of whom are described as dark or swarthy. Most are described as white/fair/rosy with blonde or red hair.
"Absolutely none are described as dark, swarthy or black", was a reference to the link I provided.
By all means waste your time trying to find sources of brown or swarthy royals. You're clutching at straws, and only have 2. My simple point is that the vast majority are described as pale white. Why do you ignore these and cherry-pick 1 or 2 out of 50, or 100? Posted by Dead (Member # 21978) on :
quote:Seems like “swarthy” people ruled Europe until about the 1400’s. …..Anglo-Saxons. Gaffa! HA! HA!
Anglo-Saxons were swarthy? What are you on?
Apollinaris Sidonius, Letters, Book viii. ix. "To his friend Lampridius" (478 AD):
"We see in his courts the blue-eyed Saxon, lord of the seas, but a timid landsman here."
Bede, Historia ecclesiastica gentis Anglorum, ii. i (731 AD):
"Nor is the account of St. Gregory, which has been handed down to us by the tradition of our ancestors, to be passed by in silence, in relation to his motives for taking such interest in the salvation of our nation. It is reported, that some merchants, having just arrived at Rome on a certain day, exposed many things for sale in the marketplace, and abundance of people resorted thither to buy: Gregory himself went with the rest, and, among other things, some boys were set to sale, their bodies white, their countenances beautiful, and their hair very fine. Having viewed them, he asked, as is said, from what country or nation they were brought? And was told, from the island of Britain, whose inhabitants were of such personal appearance. He again inquired whether those islanders were Christians, or still involved in the errors of paganism? And was informed that they were pagans. Then fetching a deep sigh from the bottom of his heart, 'Alas! what pity,' said he, "that the author of darkness is possessed of men of such fair countenances; and that being remarkable for such graceful aspects, their minds should be void of inward grace." He therefore again asked, what was the name of that nation? and was answered, that they were called Angles. "Right," said he, for they have an Angelic face, and it becomes such to be co-heirs with the Angels in heaven."
The Exeter Book, Riddle 80 (10th century):
"The 'fair-haired Queen, the daughter of an earl, sometimes lays her hand on me, well-born through she is."[1]
Jacobus de Voragine, Golden Legend ("The Life of S. Gregory") Vol. 3 (1260 AD):
"It happed afterward that as S. Gregory passed through the market of Rome, and saw there two fair children white and ruddy of visage, and fair yellow hair which were for to sell. And S. Gregory demanded from whence they were, and the merchant answered, of England. After S. Gregory demanded if they were Christian, and he answered: Nay, but that they were paynims. Then sighed S. Gregory and said: Alas, what fair people hath the devil in his doctrine and in his domination. After he demanded how these people were called: he answered that they were called Angles men; then he said they may well be so called for they have the visage of angels."
Tupper (1910: 170) notes that "black hair was held in disfavor" by the Anglo-Saxons, and when the Anglo-Saxons were Christianized they depicted Eve as yellow haired (Genesis B, line 457).
Posted by Dead (Member # 21978) on :
And the Anglo-Saxons were Germanics...
Horace, Epodes, Ode XVI (30 BC):
‘‘Nor did the fierce Germany subdue her, with its blue eyed youth’’
Seneca the Younger, De Ira (On Anger) 3. 26. 3 (50 AD?):
‘‘Non est Aethiopis inter suos insignitus color, nec rufus crinis et coactus in nodum apud Germanos uirum dedecet...’’
‘‘The colour of the Ethiopian is not exceptional among his own [people], nor is hair, red and gathered into a knot, unfitting for a man among the Germans.’’*
Plutarch, Life of Marius, XI. 3 (75 – 100 AD):
‘‘The most prevalent conjecture was that they were some of the German peoples which extended as far as the northern ocean, a conjecture based on their great stature, their light-blue eyes, and the fact that the Germans call robbers Cimbri.’’
Tacitus, Germania, IV (98 AD):
“For myself I accept the view that the peoples of Germany have never been tainted by intermarriage with other peoples, and stand out as a nation peculiar, pure and unique of its kind. Hence the physical type, if one may generalize at all about so vast a population, is everywhere the same – wild, blue eyes, reddish hair and huge frames that excel only in violent effort”
Juvenal, Satire, 13. 164 (127 AD):
‘‘Caerula quis stupuit Germani lumina, flavam Caesariem, et madido torquentem cornua cirro Nempe quod hsec illis natura est omnibus una?’’
‘‘Who is amazed to see a German with blue eyes and yellow hair, twisting his greasy curls into a horn? We marvel not, because this one nature is common to them all.’’
Suebi (Germanic tribe)
Lucan, Pharsalia (Civil War) 2. 60 (61 AD):
‘‘Let loose from furthest North her fair-haired tribes: Elbe, pour thy Suevians forth!’’
Ausonius, Bissula, III (350 AD?):* [Describing a Romanised Suebian slave-girl]:
‘‘She was Latin, but remained a German in her pretty face, blue eyes and blonde hair’’
Do you want more?
Posted by Habsburg (Member # 21824) on :
@Dead
There are many instances of Europeans rulers being described as swarthy and being painted as swarthy and yet your resentment at so called Afrocentrics cause you to make a statement which was proved false.
How about we read it another way. In most descriptions what is common is never noted, ie it is not noteworty or remarkable in any way. Since the bulk of the descriptions linked do not mention red hair or blond hair, it is a reasonable assumption that most of the people described were not blond or red haired. Red and blonde hair are mentioned probably because they are more the exception than the rule even back then.
Red and blond hair appear to be one the English's claim to fame, yet the high level of intermarriage among Europe's royalty make this "exclusive" trait quite nonsensical. The one the English regard as the "whitest" of all, Elizabeth I turns out to be a swarthy female with a penchant for white makeup.
Consider this image of Eleanor of Aquitaine, whose tomb effigy portrays her to be a brown complexioned woman, in spite of the plentiful descriptions describing her as fair, and extrapolate it to the descriptions listed on the page you linked. You will naturally say that her detractors painted the effigy as such, won't you?
Now in the case of Elizabeth I mother Catherine of Aragon.
See how one Martin I of Aragon (from earlier generations) looked like
Considering the endogamous nature of Europe's royal families, what are the odds that many of the "fair" images we are presented of them are false?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
God damn! you got me. you win. 500yo "documented" history from lying Europeans beats modern genetic science. How can I argue with that.
Quote from the new dec2014 paper:
false-paternity between Edward III (1312–1377) and John would mean that John’s son, Henry IV (1367–1413), and Henry’s direct descendants (Henry V and Henry VI) would have had NO LEGITIMATE CLAIM to the crown. This would also hold true, indirectly, for the entire Tudor dynasty (Henry VII, Henry VIII, Edward VI, Mary I and Elizabeth I) since their claim to the crown also rested, in part, on their descent from John of Gaunt. The claim of the Tudor dynasty would also be brought into question if the false paternity occurred between John of Gaunt and his son, John Beaufort, Earl of Somerset. If the false paternity occurred in either of the three generations between Edward III and Richard, Duke of York, the father of Edward IV and Richard III, then neither of their claims to the crown would have been legitimate.
So I repeat. What happened to the black Kings of Europe ?
Posted by Habsburg (Member # 21824) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: God damn! you got me. you win. 500yo "documented" history from lying Europeans beats modern genetic science. How can I argue with that.
I wouldn't bother with genetic evidence as most people don't understand it and won't even try.What the heck, I don't understand it myself. There is nothing better than pretty pictures and there are lots of them from the official, approved, authoritative and most importantly whiter than white sources.
Some art historians so far haven't worked out one of the reasons Charles IV propagated the cult of St Maurice so much in his time.
I suspect most of the denials we see are coming from people whose know these truths but have been given the job of ensuring that the majority of white people never get to know or even hear about these things. Their job is to challenge and deny the information no matter how stupid it makes them look and they will never stop.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
so you think swarthy caucasians are black people?
^^^ In other words, if paintings were done of these people and they were depicted with medieval crowns and robes, certain nutty black folk will look at the paintings and will claim they were black people. But genetically they would be more similar to lighter skinned Europeans then to Africans or anybody else. And the darker skinned males are of the same ancestry as their female counterparts, who are sometimes lighter skinned and that is also an "ideal" (not in my opinon) but promoted in ancientl times as well as today with the skin bleaching, probably a status symbol for women, in that some were wealthy enough to be provided for indoors, spend most of their times indoors primping and not have to farm the fields which would be evidenced by a tan. (Ironically a sun tan today can be a status symbol, in that it can make one appear, if in winter, that one the had money take a plane, go on vacation and lie at the beach drinking tropical cocktails
This constant focus on European art, with certain Black folk is a form of denial of one's Africaness. And to cover up this denial they will make racist remarks about white people in order to trick other black people into their delusion, the false assumption that if it upsets white people it must be pro-black. But of course it's not pro-black. What it is, is wanting to be the colonizer instead of wanting to be the colonized but distorting history in an attempt to do it. It's a form of covert coconut-ism What self respecting person of African descent would name themselves after an aristocratic family of inbred royal albinos, the people who first authorized the Trans Atlantic slave trading and European conquests of Central America?? Indeed as per history there is much confusion and paranoid delusion amongst black folk today, much bizarre backward stretching going on
Afrocentrics on the other hand like Molife Asante, Diop, Dr Ben, Obenga, Chancelor Williams, who wrote books don't go into European art and try to pretend swarthy caucasians were black people.They focus on African civilization (also Moorish conquests) The people who do this European fantasizing are not Afrocentrics
These nutty black people obsessed with European art are accurately identified as
Black Eurocentrics
The anonymous person known as Mike111 on this very forum, through his own website is actually the world's foremost proponent of Black Eurocentrism
Some Black Eurocentrics, not all, even believe the first human beings on earth originated in Europe, not Africa and were Black. Then, they say it was only many thousands of years later that whites invaded Europe and blacks fled into Africa for the first time and which at that time was uninhabited Then, they say, later the lying albinos made up their so called "Out of Africa" theories to try to trick Black people into thinking they came from there. Obviously if white people are promoting the OOA theory it must be a lie, real talk
Posted by Dead (Member # 21978) on :
quote:Originally posted by Habsburg:
Here is one of my favorites in living colour.
Eh? Are you saying that guy is 'black' or swarthy? He's clearly white skinned, compare his hands to the woman. Its a 600-700 year old painting, so its not a surpise his face has got a little darker. He's still clearly light skinned though.
If this is your definition of 'black', then who is white? You seem to be colour blind and label black or dark well into light white pigmentation.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
White is albinos...
Posted by Dead (Member # 21978) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: So I repeat. What happened to the black Kings of Europe ?
Where is the evidence for them? But I guess it depends what you mean by 'black'?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dead:
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: So I repeat. What happened to the black Kings of Europe ?
Where is the evidence for them? But I guess it depends what you mean by 'black'?
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: God damn! you got me. you win. 500yo "documented" history from lying Europeans beats modern genetic science. How can I argue with that.
Quote from the new dec2014 paper:
false-paternity between Edward III (1312–1377) and John would mean that John’s son, Henry IV (1367–1413), and Henry’s direct descendants (Henry V and Henry VI) would have had NO LEGITIMATE CLAIM to the crown. This would also hold true, indirectly, for the entire Tudor dynasty (Henry VII, Henry VIII, Edward VI, Mary I and Elizabeth I) since their claim to the crown also rested, in part, on their descent from John of Gaunt. The claim of the Tudor dynasty would also be brought into question if the false paternity occurred between John of Gaunt and his son, John Beaufort, Earl of Somerset. If the false paternity occurred in either of the three generations between Edward III and Richard, Duke of York, the father of Edward IV and Richard III, then neither of their claims to the crown would have been legitimate.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: So I repeat. What happened to the black Kings of Europe ?
Where is the evidence for them? But I guess it depends what you mean by 'black'?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman:
God damn! you got me. you win. 500yo "documented" history from lying Europeans beats modern genetic science. How can I argue with that.
your argument makes no sense, the modern genetic science on Richard III was researched and published by "lying Europeans"
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
I have said this from the very beginning. I believe in scientific data first before what is written by lying delusion Europeans. SO FAR, they haven't started falsifying the scientific data. But I expect they would soon.
They try to "spin" the meaning of the data. Or highlight insignificant portions to perpetuate their myth.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: [QB] I have said this from the very beginning. I believe in scientific data first before what is written by lying delusion Europeans. SO FAR, they haven't started falsifying the scientific data.
How do you know? You were in the lab?
Posted by Habsburg (Member # 21824) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dead:
quote:Originally posted by Habsburg:
Here is one of my favorites in living colour.
Eh? Are you saying that guy is 'black' or swarthy? He's clearly white skinned, compare his hands to the woman. Its a 600-700 year old painting, so its not a surpise his face has got a little darker. He's still clearly light skinned though.
If this is your definition of 'black', then who is white? You seem to be colour blind and label black or dark well into light white pigmentation.
Anyone who sees this thread can understand why Mike describes white people as - here it comes, DEGENERATE LYING ALBINOS, of which you are a good example.
The picture above portrays Charles IV with a chocolate brown complexion in various shades, from plain dark to light (as in chocolate with milk added) and you (ie Dead) claim that a chocolate brown is the same as the regular "white" colour, the pink/cream blend of Nothern Europeans (otherwise described as flesh tones) in which his wife Anna von Schweidnitz is portrayed.
An alternative to the chocolate brown used to describe Charles IV's complexion would be the colour of vanilla pods, bistre, and seal brown
I am describing the complexion of Charles IV as a matter of record, because I can see that what is happening here is that people like Dead and Lioness are banking on the fact that one day the image links will not be functioning, with the result that there will be no record of consensus as to what the images portrayed. I am beginning to believe that most of the responses denying the presence of images of Blacks in Europe are being put here as matter of record, not for the purposes of reasonable debate, like a court transcript which can be reviewed and debated in the future.
The question must be asked - what incentivizes or compensates people for making comments which make them out to be plain fools, if not outrightly mendacious, in such a plain and public manner?
As to the standard excuse/explanation that Charles IV's complexion is due to a deterioration of the pigments, the question must be asked as to why Anna von Scheidnitz complexion is not equally affected, and why only Charles IV's skin (hands, face and neck) has been affected, and not his clothing, or the cross he is holding.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Habsburg:
quote:Originally posted by Dead:
quote:Originally posted by Habsburg:
Here is one of my favorites in living colour.
Eh? Are you saying that guy is 'black' or swarthy? He's clearly white skinned, compare his hands to the woman. Its a 600-700 year old painting, so its not a surpise his face has got a little darker. He's still clearly light skinned though.
If this is your definition of 'black', then who is white? You seem to be colour blind and label black or dark well into light white pigmentation.
Anyone who sees this thread can understand why Mike describes white people as - here it comes, DEGENERATE LYING ALBINOS, of which you are a good example.
The picture above portrays Charles IV with a chocolate brown complexion in various shades, from plain dark to light (as in chocolate with milk added) and you (ie Dead) claim that a chocolate brown is the same as the regular "white" colour, the pink/cream blend of Nothern Europeans (otherwise described as flesh tones) in which his wife Anna von Schweidnitz is portrayed.
An alternative to the chocolate brown used to describe Charles IV's complexion would be the colour of vanilla pods, bistre, and seal brown
I am describing the complexion of Charles IV as a matter of record, because I can see that what is happening here is that people like Dead and Lioness are banking on the fact that one day the image links will not be functioning, with the result that there will be no record of consensus as to what the images portrayed. I am beginning to believe that most of the responses denying the presence of images of Blacks in Europe are being put here as matter of record, not for the purposes of reasonable debate, like a court transcript which can be reviewed and debated in the future.
The question must be asked - what incentivizes or compensates people for making comments which make them out to be plain fools, if not outrightly mendacious, in such a plain and public manner?
As to the standard excuse/explanation that Charles IV's complexion is due to a deterioration of the pigments, the question must be asked as to why Anna von Scheidnitz complexion is not equally affected, and why only Charles IV's skin (hands, face and neck) has been affected, and not his clothing, or the cross he is holding.
^^^ Hapsburg, this is a black man?
Above you show a painting of apparently swarthy caucasian Charles IV and Anne Adore that is located at Karlstejn Castle
For context let's look at other paintings at Karlstejn Castle
Here's another painting of Charles IV
Richard's father-in-law Emperor Charles IV and brother-in-law presented to the Virgin by royal saints, Bohemia ca. 1370 (detail from the Votive Panel of Archbishop Jan Očko of Vlašim)
check homey's hands out ^^^
Full panel Votive Panel of Archbishop Jan Očko of Vlašim
Hapsburg will you stop the delusional nonsense. Mike shows the same painting on his website. But of course he has all these other figures cut out That doesn't give you a proper full context. He hides it
What do you see here? Is it King Charles IV, a slightly darker than pale caucasian kneeling before a white Virgin Mary
or is it a black man kneeling before a white Virgin Mary?
That's all your options.
And are any of these other people in the painting black people?
Have you ever in your life seen a South European so called "white" person who has brown skin? They exist you know, millions of them. And they don't all live in Southern Europe, some of them move to other places in Europe, I realize it's incredible Have you heard of Spain, Italy and Greece or only Germany and Norway?
And Mike is not even backing you up. You're out here on your own getting eaten by the lioness
O.K. now let's go back to Karlstejn Castle. Guess what? They actually did do a painting of a black person there. Let's look
Again, we need context, here's a pink boy from the castle: Charlemagne ( (Latin: Carolus or Karolus Magnus)
Mikeology is a drug It fvcks with your mind
Posted by Habsburg (Member # 21824) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Mikeology is a drug It fvcks with your mind
I'll be damned. Learn to speak for yourself. You are the one with the hard on for Mike, always chasing him around and trying to have a counter to his comments, and because you assume that I follow him blindly, you have begun chasing me around as well.
Take this thread as well. My response to Dead was that there are written records describing some European royals as swarthy and even added some paintings and sculptures which back those descriptions. Did you see me write anything describing Charlemagne or Queen Elizabeth as black or African? The word swarthy means black anyway, as in complexion, not necessarily race.
Because of your issues with Mike, you have gone on a wild tangent unrelated to the point being raised. My focus is on the painting I loaded, and Dead's response to it, ie he stated the complexions are close enough when in fact they are totally different. Diluting chocolate as much as you like will not give you the pink color of a white person, as pink comes from diluting red, not from diluting chocolate brown. What does all your pictures have to do with this point?
You are the one making the statement that Mikeology fvcks with a person's mind.
No, It ain't so
It is your embarrassment at Afrocentrics, Hebrew Israelites, van Sertima and what nots that is fvcking with YOUR mind, not Mikeology.
Speak for yourself
As to the presence of European kings being swarthy enough to be described as black in Europe, how about this:
quote: Eleanor of Aragon (the fourth person from the left), the Queen of Portugal with daughter Johanna (first person from the left), daughter Isabella (second person from left), granddaughter Eleanor (third person from the left) daughter Catherine (fifth person from the left), husband Edward I (sixth person from left), her father Johann I (fifth person from the right), son Alfonso (third person from right) and son Fernando (before the table
Now go ahead and tell me that the complexions of the Black men shown at the centre of the painting above are anything near the white of the other people in it?
Here is a close up of the "Black" Portuguese kings
Is the complexion of these three European men below you posted in your previous response anything near that of two kings above?
Lioness why are you such a sucker for punishment?
I am beginning to arrive at the opinion that just by responding to you I am engaging in conduct unseemly of a Habsburg, even a fantasy make pretend wannabe a Habsburg .
I bid you a Good Night and a Goodbye. Farewell.
Posted by Dead (Member # 21978) on :
Habsburg, not sure how I can respond when you are evidently colour blind.
This guy has pale white skin. His hands are the same complexion as the female. Only his face appears a bit darker, but his face is still not a "chocolate brown complexion".
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Habsburg:
Here is a close up of the "Black" Portuguese kings
"swarthy enough to be described as black in Europe"
I am beginning to arrive at the opinion that just by responding to you I am engaging in conduct unseemly of a Habsburg, even a fantasy make pretend wannabe a Habsburg .
yes but I am nearly the only one replying to you
Some Portugese men
swarthy enough to be described as black in Europe
If paintings were made of these men and they were dressed like kings you would be swearing they were black people
They're called Hispanics look into it
swarthy Italians
"swarthy enough to be described as black in Europe" (but laughed at in the U.S. ) Carlo De Medici
High yella Moroccan dude
"you got a problem?" Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Southern Italians were considered “black” in the South and were subjected to the Jim Crow laws of segregation. They weren’t allowed to marry “whites.” It was difficult, damn near impossible.
They were designated as “black” on census forms if they lived in the South and that is because the majority of them were dark-skinned Sicilians.
Mass lynchings happened to them often.
One of the biggest mass lynchings happened to Italians in New Orleans when they thought that a Italian immigrant had killed a “white” police officer.
The very few Northern Italians that immigrated here perpetuated the myth that Southern Italians and Greeks were of a different race than them in order to save their own asses. This wasn’t true, and there are actually dark-skinned Italians all over Italy, not just in the South, as well as light-skinned Italians all over Italy.
The reason I say very few is because over 80% of Italian immigrants were from Southern Italy (Sicily, Abruzzo, Calabria, Campania, Sardinia, Naples, etc.)
It was highly unlikely (damn near impossible) for a Southern Italian to own a slave because they were seen as the same as blacks, and at the time, they were the second (right behind blacks) most discriminated against group.
The mass immigration for Italians didn’t start until 1880 and even then, they were discriminated against. However, this mass immigration leads into Italian-Americans today:
Italian is the fourth largest ethnic group reported among white Americans.
The great majority of Italians are now middle class to upper middle class and wealthy. They also mostly work white collar jobs.
Their intermarriage rate is around 90%. It was at 80% in the 70’s. So most Italian-Americans also have a white parent of some other descent, especially if they were born after 1980. Exactly like my friend who has a Sicilian father (and he is very dark-skinned) and white Southerner for a mother. We spoke to my friend’s Sicilian grandfather, and he said that one of his brothers was dating a white girl from the South back in the day and that her family considered him “black.” They thought that was weird because by that time, they were living in New York.
They are now considered white
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
So do you think we should return to classifying this guy as black?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
So do you think we should return to classifying this guy as black?
No, he is a peregrine.
But this one is black:
Muurz of Aswan, Egypt
Muurz of Ancient Rome: Marcus Aurelius Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
why are you saying Marcus Aurelius was a moor? based on what?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: why are you saying Marcus Aurelius was a moor? based on what?
I am saying that Europe was originally the land of the Muurs of Ethiopia and Mauritania... Including the Black Scottish tribe of Macraes...
quote:Originally posted by TRUTH HITMAN: Dr. Johnson, in his Journey to the Hebrides, thus beautifully describes the people of Auchnasheal Scotland The M'Craas or Macraes people 1715 A.D
"We soon afterwards came to Auchnasheal, a kind of rural village, a number of cottages being built together, as we saw all along in the High lands. We passed many miles this day without seeing a house, but only little summer-huts, called shielings."--------------The Journal of a Tour to the Hebrides, with Samuel Johnson p 131
"We had a considerable circle about us, men, women, and children, all M'Craas, Lord Seaforth's people. Not one of them could speak English. I observed to Dr. Johnson, it was much the same as being with a tribe of Indians. — Johnson-." --------------The Journal of a Tour to the Hebrides, with Samuel Johnson p 131
"There was great diversity in the faces of the circle around us : some were as black and wild in their appearance as any American savages . "----------The Journal of a Tour to the Hebrides, with Samuel Johnson p 132
An account of the Isle of Sky Dr. Johnson
"Our boatmen were rude singers, and seemed so like wild Indians, that a very little imagination was necessary to give one an impression of being upon an American river.-------The Journal of a Tour to the Hebrides, with Samuel Johnson p 261
Description of Mr Malcolm Macleod and the Macleods
Mr. Malcolm Macleod, one of the Rasay family, celebrated in the year 1745-6. He was now sixty-two years of age, hale, and well-proportioned, — with a manly countenance, and tanned by the weather, yet having a ruddiness in his cheeks, over a great part of which his rough beard extended. — His eye was quick and lively, yet his look was not fierce, but he appeared at once firm and good- humored --------The Journal of a Tour to the Hebrides, with Samuel Johnson p 152
We got into Rasay's carriage, which was a good strong open boat made in Norway. The wind had now risen pretty high, and was against us; but we had four stout rowers, particularly a Macleod, a robust black-haired fellow, half naked, and bare headed, something between a wild Indian and an English tar. ----The Journal of a Tour to the Hebrides, with Samuel Johnson p 152
"swarthy enough to be described as black in Europe"
I am beginning to arrive at the opinion that just by responding to you I am engaging in conduct unseemly of a Habsburg, even a fantasy make pretend wannabe a Habsburg .
yes but I am nearly the only one replying to you
Some Portugese men
swarthy enough to be described as black in Europe
If paintings were made of these men and they were dressed like kings you would be swearing they were black people
quote: Figure 1. Y-Chromosomal Haplogroups in Iberian, North African, and Sephardic Jewish Samples Binary marker phylogeny of the Y chromosome, showing mutations on the branches of the tree, and shorthand haplogroup names40 immediately beneath. Haplogroups unobserved in any sample are indicated by dashed branches on the tree. Below the phylogeny are given the percentages of chromosomes carrying the observed haplogroup. Abbreviations are as follows: n, sample size; h, Nei’s unbiased estimator of gene diversity. Data on North African populations are from the literature (see footnotes). a Data from Bosch et al.34 b Data from Arredi et al.,47 with haplogroup prediction for hgG. c Subhaplogroups of R1b3 were not typed in the Sephardic Jewish sample.
quote: Figure 4. Iberian, North African, and Sephardic Jewish Admixture Proportions among Iberian Peninsula Samples Mean North African, Sephardic Jewish, and Iberian admixture proportions among Iberian samples, based on the mY estimator and on Moroccan, Sephardic Jewish, and Basque parental populations, are represented on a map as shaded bars on bar charts. Error bars indicate standard deviations, and three-letter codes indicate populations, as given in Figure 1.
--Susan M. Adams, Mark A. Jobling et al.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nehesy: "Ancient and Modern Britons" Vol I & II by David Mac Ritchie is full of evidence for existence of Black scots and among them " Kenneth King of Alban; who was known as Dubh, Niger or the Black " P 266 Vol I
* Macduff/Magha Dubh = The son of the blacks:The clan of the Black , Vol I P 266 (according to the swarthy and black colour of those of the tribe)
* Kenneth ruled blacks and whites in scotland ,Vol II p 87
* Magha Dubh shortened into McDuff , represented "one division of the posterity of this powerful black king", Vol II p 87
* Black Monks in Scotland, Vol II p 291
* P 272 ,The black races of Scotland , Vol I * P 116,about the ancestors of the McLeod : "from Leod,son to the Black prince of Man", Vol I
etc, etc
These 2 books are very embarrassing (with skeletal evidence , analyzed by Pr Huxley a scholar of that time) for Euronuts : Black Danes, Black Celts, Black Vikings,Black Huns,Black Druids,Black Hungarians,Black (Kara) Tartars of Genghis Khan, the Black Moors of Great Britain in General...
Bump.
Posted by Most Highs Servant (Member # 23292) on :
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ^Shuush, simple idiot.
We know it is you no matter how many name changes you make. You apine blattering is always the same, never changes... LMBAO!
IronLion, I don't know who you think I am LOL, but I assure you whoever you think I am I am not. I'm a white female who is proud of my heritage & will not allow ignorant history stealing racist blacks like you to steal what is MY birth right.
If you're not of Northwest African descent, you need to stop claiming it as if it's yours. Stop stealing it as "your" heritage.
Posted by Most Highs Servant (Member # 23292) on :
I’m response to DHDOXIES AND THE LIONESS I’ve noticed that you guys haven’t mentioned the prominence of the tapers bloodline in Europe one of the three sons of Noah who inherited such lands as the khaukazis and Britannia , Yapeth was of the dark races and it was documented that he and his descendants mixed with the preadmites who were the cave dwelling Neanderthals of Europe , all bloodlines except for the blacks obtain Neanderthal DNA which clearly shows that the other races rooted from the red people of the earth mistermed black people
Posted by Most Highs Servant (Member # 23292) on :
*Yapeths bloodline
Posted by Most Highs Servant (Member # 23292) on :
@DHDoxies in terms of law and history it seems like your birthrite is insufficient as the royal arms of uk (stolen by khazars) clearly shows the tribe of yudah and Ephraim (the six lions and the unicorn as well as David’s harp on the bottom right , it’s a well known fact that the royal monarch of today have zero heritage to yisrael especially as their claim was through matrilineal rite rather than the known tradition of patrilineal let alone the fact of the red ruddy nobility of KJV being breed out
Posted by Most Highs Servant (Member # 23292) on :
You also stated your a white female , a female is defined as person opposite to the male gender , black laws dictionary 11th edition states that a person is a human being. A human being in bullentines dictionary 1930 describes a human being to be a monster ‘a sub monster can neither inherit blood nor be an heir to no land’ Double insufficient
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