Here take It!! that revolutionary Bull Shyte won't put this in yo pocket!
> It Pays being a clown! Look Wye folks doing it!! Drive this and drink this! Fuk em!! Im ona Yacht. Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
smh ah true mon...
@ Brada...we can seh di same ting fe dancehall enuh...cah...look whappen tuh it... Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Agreed T&R part of the problem is we needed some fun and lite outlet sometimes,but the industry allowed the silly,lite and even violently misogynistic to dominate thus dulling the senses and forcing the impressionable to view the above as proof of success all the while feeling empty for how the hell with all those $$$ you still going to jail or getting killed not for revolutionary speech but for self indulgent bull sh!t.
Posted by Oshun (Member # 19740) on :
^ Russel Simmons has pretty much said 3/4ths of the industry is funded by white males. That's not even adding in white females.
*Blacks buy it because it's one of the few, prevalent images where blacks appear to be in a position of power. The lifestyle however, of a spoiled, incredibly rich, misogynistic brat is not exactly an obtainable lifestyle for blacks, let alone can it accurately speak for it.
*White males can throw themselves into and identify with more easily the hyper materialist culture of modern hip hop and don't as often come from matriarchal or households. To keep it brief, a large reason hip hop has changed is because it's audience has changed to increase revenue. It is commercialized hip hop for white people. Really think about it. It's much easier for them to have access to drugs, have access to incredibly expensive materials (unaffordable to many blacks and probably not even sold in their neighborhoods), and to party it up.
quote:you still going to jail or getting killed not for revolutionary speech but for self indulgent bull sh!t.
You're not because you're conditioning people to invest in businesses. Singing about apple bottom jeans, or Grey Goose or in Rihanna's most recent display of advertising in her song I'll Drink to That. You work for big businesses, not against them. Why do would they kill musicians who act indulgent towards their products?
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
With all o that you would think they would be at least be happier then these folks above mind you these are American poor.
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
The fact of the matter is Hip-hop no longer represents black people, African American culture or anything.
Hip-Hop was originally about the struggle of inner city life, now its become a pissing contest to see who can brag the best about how the rapper wastes their money.
I mean really who listens to hip-hop anymore lol
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
This is true, also my sister looks at some show called, Love of Hip-hop or something like that and the Real Housewives of ATL(with the black people) and Basketball wives etc. From what I gather from the very few times I actually give that trash the time of day, these Rich black entertainers are some of the most snobbish, stuck up, POS alive. To call them "Bougie" would be a complement as the "the black bourgeoisie" where the term Bougie comes from were Upper Middle Class folks who were often than not productive to African American culture, this new Bourgeoisie is counter-productive to African American culture and quite ignorant to boot, being entertainers rather than intellectuals.
quote:Originally posted by Oshun: ^ Russel Simmons has pretty much said 3/4ths of the industry is funded by white males. That's not even adding in white females.
*Blacks buy it because it's one of the few, prevalent images where blacks appear to be in a position of power. The lifestyle however, of a spoiled, incredibly rich, misogynistic brat is not exactly an obtainable lifestyle for blacks, let alone can it accurately speak for it.
*White males can throw themselves into and identify with more easily the hyper materialist culture of modern hip hop and don't as often come from matriarchal or households. To keep it brief, a large reason hip hop has changed is because it's audience has changed to increase revenue. It is commercialized hip hop for white people. Really think about it. It's much easier for them to have access to drugs, have access to incredibly expensive materials (unaffordable to many blacks and probably not even sold in their neighborhoods), and to party it up.
quote:you still going to jail or getting killed not for revolutionary speech but for self indulgent bull sh!t.
You're not because you're conditioning people to invest in businesses. Singing about apple bottom jeans, or Grey Goose or in Rihanna's most recent display of advertising in her song I'll Drink to That. You work for big businesses, not against them. Why do would they kill musicians who act indulgent towards their products?
Posted by Min- (Member # 6729) on :
You can't kill a Spirit, ae you crazy? Hip Hop is a Spirit and It Lives. Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
What Hiphop should be about,most artist is all about their bling,bitches and ho's not these guys please checkout their interview.
Pretty good points from everyone here so far. I would only add that sex, drugs and debauchery are pretty much a white lifestyle as Africans and other blacks have been catching too much hell for the last couple hundred years to live such a lifestyle under colonialism. The colonists were able to brag and boast about all the exotic women and mixed off spring they had around the world and all the money they were making in the colonies. That pretty much is where the whole concept of 'playboy' comes from. It doesn't come from African life styles. Similarly, Gangster culture in America comes from whites and most certainly not black folks but to hear them tell it....
But most hip hop today is actually part of a slick promotional and A/R industry that provides models, money, booze and venues to push a lifestyle that most black folks aren't really living. Then you got the young folks turned on to this by promoters and agents in the hood scouting wanna be models and rappers and turning them into legions of club hoppers, whores and wanna be thugs in every town crawling various clubs. And this same crowd of promoters and agents often come from educated back grounds and also works to promote this fake lifestyle to the black educated crowd (p-diddy started as a party promoter in college) as "elite" hookers and thugs on another level from the riff raff.
But honestly this is basically what has become of American culture and society across the board. You see the same thing in mainstream America. Free sex and love in the 60s has become sex in the city for today's youth and black folks are simply getting caught up in a lifestyle they cannot afford and which they cannot recover from, whereas mainstream America has a lot more money, resources and institutions to absorb the impact.
And on top of all that the legacy of the colonialist history has been rolled up into the current times. Europeans can go all over the world and promote big bashes and parties out in the middle of nowhere because they have the money. For example, South and Central America are pretty much permanent party spots these kinds of folks. Look at Brazil and you will see it and even Mexico. And in these places they can attract all kinds of exotic local beauties to play with. Black folks don't have that kind of money, but the network of agents and promoters are in place to groom and provide the illusion of that lifestyle. Party promoters, club promoters, model promoters, entertainment promoters and on and on, who are really just ripping off the dreams and naivete of young black folks. And most of the time a lot of these people are ultimately in the employ of whites who own the clubs and industry. That doesn't mean that the same thing doesn't happen among Europeans, just that more of them actually can afford it.
The youth wind up looking like young goon thugs who can half speak trying to wild out and crash something because they want any chance they can to live the fantasy even if that is only for a minute or just by walking around on the beaches or down the streets of rich expensive vacation spots where they cant afford to live. Unfortunately they are only emboldened by the promoters, agents and wanna be elite folks who pander to them through the industry resulting in a hot mess of psychosocial dysfunction across generations and the entire black community. Hence rampant rates of out of wedlock births across the economic spectrum of the black community as folks have lost the ability to form strong relationships. Rampant rates of black folks staying single longer, especially black women. Rampant rates of black on black violence as a result of the angst and frustration of not really being able to live the fantasy (mainstream imitation) promoted on TV along with rampant self hate as a result of the latent "nigger killing" culture of America that goes back before the civil rights movement. And on and on and on....
Another example of the decandent culture of mainstream America black folks try to adopt but cannot really afford is the entertainment sex tape. Paris Hilton was one of the first to make such a thing. She has mad paper. Black folks imitating the decadence of the larger society only leads to their destruction.
Face it black folks got better things to do than be going to the club shaking their behinds trying to pretend they got it like that. They don't.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Damn Doug !!! You broke it down. I was going to add my input but you pretty much covered everything. Great commentary.
Posted by blaccentric bull (Member # 19596) on :
There is, unfortunately, one out-of-place, soar thumb in the photo. Can you guess which?
Posted by Break-the-bull (Member # 19596) on :
Hiphop and rap have always been about bling, bitches, and thuggery. You obviously don't know the history of it. Go listen to the lyrics in Rapper's Delight and educate yourself. Early rap sowed the seed for what we presently have.
Posted by asante-Korton (Member # 18532) on :
quote:Originally posted by Break-the-bull: Hiphop and rap have always been about bling, bitches, and thuggery. You obviously don't know the history of it. Go listen to the lyrics in Rapper's Delight and educate yourself. Early rap sowed the seed for what we presently have.
Yes rappers delight invented hip hop lol
Posted by asante-Korton (Member # 18532) on :
Luckly there are still rappers who are staying true to there roots.
No clown, I never said they did. But they are the forerunners to the "movement." They were part of the grassroots of hip hop and reflected the sentiment of that period of hip hop, clown.
I dare any to produce a rap song from the 70s that did not objectify women or wasn't materialistic, confrontational or anti-social.
quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton: Yes rappers delight invented hip hop lol [/QB]
Posted by asante-Korton (Member # 18532) on :
quote:Originally posted by Break-the-bull: No clown, I never said they did. But they are the forerunners to the "movement." They were part of the grassroots of hip hop and reflected the sentiment of that period of hip hop, clown.
I dare any to produce a rap song from the 70s that did not objectify women or wasn't confrontational or anti-social.
quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton: Yes rappers delight invented hip hop lol
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Is this another one of your pages confirmed truth?
Posted by Sundjata (Member # 13096) on :
Early hip hop was not about objectifying women or preaching thuggery. Treacherous Three and Funky Four plus one are early hip hop artists and who typify the time period.
Gangsta rap didn't come on the scene until later and mostly came from an underground culture of house and basement parties where the "hustlers" would brag about their exploits. But these people had to actually have a "rep" to back up their lyrical boasts. And then as the drugs became more predominant in the cities (when the white mob was taken out) it transitioned from petty thievery, gangs and fighting to drug related boasts but that came much later in the 80s. By that time the underground was starting to evaporate as everyone was starting to get record deals with big labels. Not ironically the industry itself was already heavily involved in drugs and so from there things really went south....
Today most of the stuff you see if strictly fake in the sense that there is a big industry that exists to provide all the backdrops and props to create this lifestyle and image that most black folks aren't living in reality.
For example: most of these women are simply paid models that have about as much to do with the street as the pope is Muslim. One of them is even a porn star I believe (the only black one lol). Hip Hop models are provided by one or two big companies who has big stables of females to provide for parties, videos, the net, magazines and so forth.
Nothing out of the ordinary happened to Hip Hop, other than that it disproportionally expanded to accomodate the ''non-socially aware'' types that were in the minority when the Hip Hop was its early stages and still outside of the scope of commercial interests. These other parts of Hip Hop need to be there too (it is, and has always been a part of the culture whether we like it or not), it just needs to be balanced with more message driven music.
Hip Hop has an unusually strong grasp on what comes out of it; its quite good at self policing itself, in that it doesn't tolerate concepts and practices that deviate from its early foundations for long.
Posted by Sundjata (Member # 13096) on :
^ I grew up on this type of stuff. Original east coast style hip hop eluded me for some time.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
And really early hip hop wasn't really message driven either. It was mostly about having fun, hanging out and other things. "Conscious" rap came later with folks like KRS One and so forth.
When I say early hip hop I am talking about the mid to late 70s when there was no hip hop on the radio and the only place to hear it was in the house parties, in the park or on tapes made by DJs. This is when hip hop was primarily something you saw and heard live not on the radio or on CDs.
Early hip hop was also about creating your own records to some degree as "white folks" meaning the recording industry was not putting it out. So many folks pressed their own records and tapes and sold them out of the trunks of their cars. This is the time when car audio was created by taking home speakers and custom speaker kits bought from catalogs and putting them in cars....
Only later in the 80s did things get more gritty with battle raps and other stuff and then "gangsta" rap.
The hardest act in early hip hop on records was Run DMC.
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
^Actually, that's false.
Social awareness in Hip Hop did not start later on. It was present from the start. Turntabling etc are just one part of Hiphop, and not necessarily exclusive to Hiphop either. Jamaicans were already doing the block party/toasting thing.
But yeah, I could see if you're taking that to mean full fledged Hip Hop, one could consider socially driven themes a later addition.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote:Originally posted by Swenet: ^Actually, that's false.
Social awareness in Hip Hop did not start later on. It was present from the start. Turntabling etc are just one part of Hiphop, and not necessarily exclusive to Hiphop either. Jamaicans were already doing the block party/toasting thing.
But yeah, I could see if you're taking that to mean full fledged Hip Hop, one could consider socially driven themes a later addition.
Uh no. From 78 to 85 there was no "conscious" hip hop. Most hip hop was about partying and having fun... But if you believe there was at that time please feel free to post up some. KRS One was the one most identify with conscious rap and that started in the late 80s but he did not start off that way. And of course Public Enemy released their first album the late 80s.
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:Originally posted by Swenet: ^Actually, that's false.
Social awareness in Hip Hop did not start later on. It was present from the start. Turntabling etc are just one part of Hiphop, and not necessarily exclusive to Hiphop either. Jamaicans were already doing the block party/toasting thing.
But yeah, I could see if you're taking that to mean full fledged Hip Hop, one could consider socially driven themes a later addition.
Uh no. From 78 to 85 there was no "conscious" hip hop. Most hip hop was about partying and having fun... But if you believe there was at that time please feel free to post up some. KRS One was the one most identify with conscious rap and that started in the late 80s but he did not start off that way. And of course Public Enemy released their first album the late 80s.
^Africa Bambaataa is an example that comes to mind. Actually, he's not ''just'' an example given his influence. His whole Zulu Nation movement is about being socially aware.
Your time frame (78 to 85) of a conscious-free Hip Hop doesn't take into account songs like ''The message'', arguably one of the most influential early rap songs, which was solely dedicated to problems facing young black males.
IMO, the block parties thing is not actually Hiphop, because it has few distinguishable features from what was already out there (ie, Disco, Funk, Electro, even rapping itself), and many of the features and practices that were dominant back then weren't carried on beyond those times (eg, some of the dance styles, the disco influences, the practice of revolving entire parties around drum breaks etc etc). It would be more accurate to see it as the matrix in which Hip Hop developed.
I'm sure that if we would rewind the time, and rerun time from the early seventies, there is a good chance that what was brewing back then in Bronx would evolve into something entirely different.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Africa Bambaataa was not well known for being "conscious" early on in terms of his "rapping". His main claim to fame was electronic synthesizers and instrumental beats, ie. looking for the perfect beat. Most of his lyrics were pretty much standard in terms of Hip Hop of the time and not particularly "conscious". The consciousness he gets credit for is in identifying himself with Africa through his name, dress and relating the beats and rhythms he made with Africa and the Zulu Nation. And yes you are right "the Message" was a very notable example of a form of conscious rap but that was very much in the minority and the the real conscious movement didn't really take off until Public Enemy and KRS One. And I mean people who consistently publish conscious albums, not simply one rap song that is conscious to the point where it becomes a genre unto itself. And these records made a point to be explicit about the problems that black folks still faced from the larger white society, whereas other albums simply alluded to it.
I grew up in the 70s and I know how Hip Hop started because I lived it. Hip Hop started in the house and in the playgrounds of New York and Philadelphia. There was no hip hop on the radio and at that time in New York and Philadelphia disco and R&B was the mainstream in black music. Early hip hop got most of its beats and sounds from R&B, like the Commodores, Denise Williams and so forth. Those "break beats" were used to make a lot of the popular hip hop albums. And people were experimenting with scratching using old R&B records and disco records from their parents or from the store. That is simply how Hip Hop started. Hip Hop is a direct descendant of R&B, Disco, Be Bop Jazz and even Swing Rhyming in the 40s.
And in the 70s and early 80s, most neighborhoods had a lot of very big block parties and public events in parks and recreation centers which often started out with live bands but eventually DJs and Rappers started to become more popular as Hip Hop became more popular with the youth. So no, the bands weren't Hip Hop, but the DJs and Rappers were the Hip Hop and in this time, that was the main way people could hear hip hop because there wasn't any on the radio and there wasn't a lot of tapes either. It was primarily something you saw and heard live at these outdoor events or parties and in this time almost everyone and their brother was either a DJ, MC or Rapper and there was a lot of money to made because there were a lot of block parties, outdoor events and house parties at this time and a lot of people were going to them.
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
^Look up his movement, and see whether it is as superficial as you say (ie, simply identifying with Africa[ns]). Thats all I'm going to say in reaction to your post, because there is no real difference between what we're saying anyway. Only minor difference in interpretations concerning when, along it's many incipient signs of life, Hip Hop can be considered Hip Hop.
Let's wrap it up and give each other a ''5 on the black hand side'', shall we?
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Africa Bambaataa was not well known for being "conscious" early on in terms of his "rapping". His main claim to fame was electronic synthesizers and instrumental beats, ie. looking for the perfect beat. Most of his lyrics were pretty much standard in terms of Hip Hop of the time and not particularly "conscious". The consciousness he gets credit for is in identifying himself with Africa through his name, dress and relating the beats and rhythms he made with Africa and the Zulu Nation. And yes you are right "the Message" was a very notable example of a form of conscious rap but that was very much in the minority and the the real conscious movement didn't really take off until Public Enemy and KRS One. And I mean people who consistently publish conscious albums, not simply one rap song that is conscious to the point where it becomes a genre unto itself. And these records made a point to be explicit about the problems that black folks still faced from the larger white society, whereas other albums simply alluded to it.
I grew up in the 70s and I know how Hip Hop started because I lived it. Hip Hop started in the house and in the playgrounds of New York and Philadelphia. There was no hip hop on the radio and at that time in New York and Philadelphia disco and R&B was the mainstream in black music. Early hip hop got most of its beats and sounds from R&B, like the Commodores, Denise Williams and so forth. Those "break beats" were used to make a lot of the popular hip hop albums. And people were experimenting with scratching using old R&B records and disco records from their parents or from the store. That is simply how Hip Hop started. Hip Hop is a direct descendant of R&B, Disco, Be Bop Jazz and even Swing Rhyming in the 40s.
And in the 70s and early 80s, most neighborhoods had a lot of very big block parties and public events in parks and recreation centers which often started out with live bands but eventually DJs and Rappers started to become more popular as Hip Hop became more popular with the youth. So no, the bands weren't Hip Hop, but the DJs and Rappers were the Hip Hop and in this time, that was the main way people could hear hip hop because there wasn't any on the radio and there wasn't a lot of tapes either. It was primarily something you saw and heard live at these outdoor events or parties and in this time almost everyone and their brother was either a DJ, MC or Rapper and there was a lot of money to made because there were a lot of block parties, outdoor events and house parties at this time and a lot of people were going to them.
Yep. This is pretty much the way Davey D breaks it down.
The movement wasn't how most people knew about Africa Bambaata. We are talking about Music and as far as the Music goes his hits were Looking for the Perfect Beat, Planet Rock and so forth. Again, pretty much standard fare from the hip hop era.
His "conscious" efforts were collaborations with James Brown and on unity and the collaborations with mainstream artists on "Sun city". His Zulu Nation Movement was primarily in settling the beefs with gangs in New York through block parties and DJing, which mostly is something local to New York. Planet Rock, Perfect Beat and so forth are the main tracks most people know about and are not particularly "concscious". To me Public Enemy and KRS are the first true conscious acts.
But don't get me wrong either, at that period of time hearing rap on the radio was a big deal and hearing people identifying with Africa and warriors like the Zulu was an even bigger deal. So that by itself had a tremendous impact by itself.
Of course his efforts at promoting unity and identifying with Africa as well as being an early promoter of hip hop acts, beats and DJing eventually set the stage for Public Enemy and KRS who came in the late 80s. But that was the late 80s and I was going to college at that point. Early hip hop started in Grade school for me so that was ancient history by that time and things were very different. Early hip hop was all fun and silly stuff (perfect example rappers delight) whereas by the time I got to college (and a lot of other black folks) things were more serious and hence Public Enemy and KRS were fitting to the times.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sundjata:
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Africa Bambaataa was not well known for being "conscious" early on in terms of his "rapping". His main claim to fame was electronic synthesizers and instrumental beats, ie. looking for the perfect beat. Most of his lyrics were pretty much standard in terms of Hip Hop of the time and not particularly "conscious". The consciousness he gets credit for is in identifying himself with Africa through his name, dress and relating the beats and rhythms he made with Africa and the Zulu Nation. And yes you are right "the Message" was a very notable example of a form of conscious rap but that was very much in the minority and the the real conscious movement didn't really take off until Public Enemy and KRS One. And I mean people who consistently publish conscious albums, not simply one rap song that is conscious to the point where it becomes a genre unto itself. And these records made a point to be explicit about the problems that black folks still faced from the larger white society, whereas other albums simply alluded to it.
I grew up in the 70s and I know how Hip Hop started because I lived it. Hip Hop started in the house and in the playgrounds of New York and Philadelphia. There was no hip hop on the radio and at that time in New York and Philadelphia disco and R&B was the mainstream in black music. Early hip hop got most of its beats and sounds from R&B, like the Commodores, Denise Williams and so forth. Those "break beats" were used to make a lot of the popular hip hop albums. And people were experimenting with scratching using old R&B records and disco records from their parents or from the store. That is simply how Hip Hop started. Hip Hop is a direct descendant of R&B, Disco, Be Bop Jazz and even Swing Rhyming in the 40s.
And in the 70s and early 80s, most neighborhoods had a lot of very big block parties and public events in parks and recreation centers which often started out with live bands but eventually DJs and Rappers started to become more popular as Hip Hop became more popular with the youth. So no, the bands weren't Hip Hop, but the DJs and Rappers were the Hip Hop and in this time, that was the main way people could hear hip hop because there wasn't any on the radio and there wasn't a lot of tapes either. It was primarily something you saw and heard live at these outdoor events or parties and in this time almost everyone and their brother was either a DJ, MC or Rapper and there was a lot of money to made because there were a lot of block parties, outdoor events and house parties at this time and a lot of people were going to them.
Yep. This is pretty much the way Davey D breaks it down.
Absolutely and as a matter of fact the Jamaican connection is very important. I remember going to this park way back in the late 70s where DJs were battling and had massive systems set up (7-8 turn tables) and this was the big kick off event of the summer. And on our way to the main area we went past an area where the Jamaicans were doing free style on the mic with their own DJs and turn tables. That was the first time I had ever seen anything like that.
Actually, Sundiata, your source also makes a clear distinction between ''rapping'' and ''Hip Hop'', with the former being the earlier partying thing, and the latter evolving out of that, similar to what I've been saying. He also confirms that rapping over beats was a direct import from Jamaica, which factors into my earlier statements as well (that that in and of it self can't constitute Hip Hop, because it existed already). This would push the emergence of conscious Hip Hop to around the time when Hip Hop ''emerged from rap'' in the words of your source.
@Doug M
I never said conscious rap was dominant, only that it was present from the start; there was always a socially aware component to the culture, even in the ''toasting'' days.
quote:Along with other DJs such as DJ Kool Herc and Kool DJ Dee, he too began hosting hip hop parties. He vowed to use hip hop to draw angry kids out of gangs and formed the Universal Zulu Nation.
quote:In 1982, Bambaataa and his followers, a group of dancers, artists and DJs, went outside the United States on the first hip hop tour.[1] Bambaataa saw that the hip hop tours would be the key to help expand hip hop and his Universal Zulu Nation. [i]In addition it would help promote the [h]values of hip hop that he believed are based on peace, unity, love,[/b] and having fun. Bambaataa brought peace to the gangs[i] as many artists and gang members say that "hip hop saved a lot of lives".
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Actually, Sundiata, your source also makes a clear distinction between ''rapping'' and ''Hip Hop'', with the former being the earlier partying thing, and the latter evolving out of that, similar to what I've been saying. He also confirms that rapping over beats was a direct import from Jamaica, which factors into my earlier statements as well (that that in and of it self can't constitute Hip Hop, because it existed already).
@Doug M
I never said conscious rap was dominant, only that it was present from the start; there was always a socially aware component to the culture, even in the ''toasting'' days.
quote:Along with other DJs such as DJ Kool Herc and Kool DJ Dee, he too began hosting hip hop parties. He vowed to use hip hop to draw angry kids out of gangs and formed the Universal Zulu Nation.
quote:In 1982, Bambaataa and his followers, a group of dancers, artists and DJs, went outside the United States on the first hip hop tour.[1] Bambaataa saw that the hip hop tours would be the key to help expand hip hop and his Universal Zulu Nation. [i]In addition it would help promote the [h]values of hip hop that he believed are based on peace, unity, love,[/b] and having fun. Bambaataa brought peace to the gangs[i] as many artists and gang members say that "hip hop saved a lot of lives".
I understood you but I still wouldn't call it "conscious" in the sense of what came later.
I would even say that the Jamaican stuff of the era was more conscious because of the history of Raggae itself being more conscious.
quote:I understood you but I still wouldn't call it "conscious" in the sense of what came later.
^That is because I never employed the word initially to begin with. Social awareness was the word I used, and being socially aware doesn't hinge on letting your opinions shine through ''conscious'' music.
Like I said, there isn't much we disagree on, other than what milestones we see as bringing about ''Hip Hop''.
Posted by Min- (Member # 6729) on :
quote:I understood you but I still wouldn't call it "conscious" in the sense of what came later.
^That is because I never employed the word initially to begin with. Social awareness was the word I used, and being socially aware doesn't hinge on letting your opinions shine through ''conscious'' music.
Like I said, there isn't much we disagree on, other than what milestones we see as bringing about ''Hip Hop''.
Its all good. Maybe I make more of a distinction because of the eras and the distinct change in times and attitudes. Going back to the topic of the thread, the earliest stuff be it dance hall or hip hop was totally a night and day difference from what you have today. And the change took place primarily from the early 90s on, when rap became totally corporate junk food and now you see more folks who have been raised on that crap.
quote:I understood you but I still wouldn't call it "conscious" in the sense of what came later.
^That is because I never employed the word initially to begin with. Social awareness was the word I used, and being socially aware doesn't hinge on letting your opinions shine through ''conscious'' music.
Like I said, there isn't much we disagree on, other than what milestones we see as bringing about ''Hip Hop''.
Its all good. Maybe I make more of a distinction because of the eras and the distinct change in times and attitudes. Going back to the topic of the thread, the earliest stuff be it dance hall or hip hop was totally a night and day difference from what you have today. And the change took place primarily from the early 90s on, when rap became totally corporate junk food and now you see more folks who have been raised on that crap.
Agree, and in my opinion, where Hip Hop is going wrong, is that way too many of our minds are turned to Hip Hop culture to try make a living and/or portray that lifestyle. A lot of the degration that we see today in Hip Hop music is because of the easyness with which non-talented buffoons find their way into Hip Hop.
Degenerates like Waka Flocka, aren't musicians, just misguided youths leeching on to the culture to make a living. I don't have a problem with Gangster rap(pers), as long as they actually make music (rather than rhythmically glorifying gangsterism all the time), and the general public understands that they don't represent the culture, just like Robert DeNiro and them (who frequently portray violent gangster roles) don't represent all actors.
Hip Hop needs to more like the other genres, when it comes to filtering out non-talented people.
Posted by element (Member # 19569) on :
There were many pre 1985 social commentary recordings mostly based around world war 3 or anti drug themes.
This track references the sphinx, Olmecs. Ghana, Mali & Songhay.
Kurtis blow - Tough James brown Afrika bambaataa - unity Funky Four + 1 - King Heroin Jazzy jeff- king heroin The rake - street justice Captain rapp - Bad times ( Jimmy jam & Terry lewis )
Fatback band - Is this the future SugarHill gang - Livin in the fast lane Grandmaster Melle melle - white lines Grandmaster Melle melle - Jesse ( endorsing jesse jackson for presidency )
Dr jeckyll & mr hyde ( Andre Harrell )- fast life Divine sounds - what people do for money Afrika Bambaataa feat.John Lydon - World Destruction Project Future - Ray - Gun - Omics Malcolm X / Keith LeBlanc- No Sell Out
Very few groups had long term album deals in the early 80's.So Many releases were independent 12 inch singles.
Run dmc has a few social commentary tracks but ...It's like that ...Is the most popular due to its re release in the 90's & inclusion on a grand theft auto video game.
I'm a dj musician & was born in the 90s. My father & brothers owned soundsystems so i collect a lot of 70's - 80s vinyl as the sound is unique. I could find many more but some recordings are really bad..
eg Mr t , School band recordings etc
Re..The message
Grandmaster flash in his autobiography claims that this recording which they were forced to record caused the breakup of the band.They were told to let an outsider ( Duke Bootee ) replace the groups rappers. Melle mel was the only featured artist from the original group on the track . His verse " a child is born with no state of mind " is recycled from superappin which was recorded before gmff5 signed to sugarhill records.
Melle mel & Flash also mentions the anti drug hypocrisy at the time. As artists were consuming drugs & creating anti drug records
Eg Melle mel - white lines
I guess you have to experience hip hop at an earlier era to really notice the changes & similiarities with Jamaica.
I think the late 80's was a key period as artists evolved with better budgets ,contracts , endorsements & more. There was also a drugs & gun epidemic in the usa & Jamaica..
Planet Rock - The Story Of Hip Hop And The Crack Generation documentary
quote:Kurtis blow - Tough James brown Afrika bambaata - unity Funky Four + 1 - King Heroin Jazzy jeff- king heroin The rake - street justice Captain rapp - Bad times ( Jimmy jam & Terry lewis )
Fatback band - Is this the future SugarHill gang - Livin in the fast lane Grandmaster Melle melle - white lines Grandmaster Melle melle - Jesse ( endorsing jesse jackson for presidency )
Dr jeckyll & mr hyde ( Andre Harrell )- fast life Divine sounds - what people do for mnoney Afrika Bambaataa feat.John Lydon - World Destruction Project Future - Ray - Gun - Omics Malcolm X / Keith LeBlanc- No Sell Out
I knew there were examples other than the two examples I already cited, but couldn't remember them, nor did I feel for it to track them down.
Thanks, will be useful for future reference.
Posted by Oshun (Member # 19740) on :
The problem is, mainstream industries are only taking a particular portion of rap, one that glorifies this lifestyle. Rap on political issues, social change, and more representational lifestyles of blacks is funneled out deliberately. The saddest thing is, the industry for this stuff may very well continue to exist even if we stopped buying it because the primary consumers are white males not black people.
Posted by Sundjata (Member # 13096) on :
quote:Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] Actually, Sundiata, your source also makes a clear distinction between ''rapping'' and ''Hip Hop'', with the former being the earlier partying thing, and the latter evolving out of that, similar to what I've been saying.
Not necessarily since Davey D defines Hip Hop as the culture of rap music, not associated with any particular style. These evolved later into sub-genres, as Doug M has pointed out. Rap and expression of Hip Hop culture was the platform upon which people could later disseminate a message of social awareness/consciousness. If what you meant instead was that this consciousnesses was already embedded within the cultural soup that formed, then you'd be correct (see the "5 elements of Hip Hop"), though obviously that's an element that is distinct from the music and is a part of the evolution of the culture its self.
Posted by Confirming Truth (Member # 17678) on :
Notice how none of you posted lyrics from that era of hiphop to dissect. I am not suprised. I will oblige you hypocrites.
Sugarhill gang, "Rapper's delight" (excerpted)
i got two big cars that definitely aint the wack i got a lincoln continental and a sunroof cadillac (early form of material glorification, e.g., car)
but i wouldnt give a sucker or a bum from the rucker not a dime til i made it again (early form of hostile and confrontational rap/ hiphop language)
ya say im gonna get a fly girl gonna get some spankin drive off in a def oj everybody go, hotel motel holiday inn say if your girl starts actin up, then you take her friend (early form of of rap misogyny and the beginning of hyper-sexualization in rap)
but he looks like a sucker in a blue and red suit i said you need a man who's got finesse and his whole name across his chest he may be able to fly all through the night but can he rock a party til the early light he cant satisfy you with his little worm but i can bust you out with my super sperm i go do it, i go do it, i go do it, do it , do it (confrontational, "beef," rap in its earliest form)
then she turned around and shook her behind so i said to myself, its time for me to release my vicious rhyme (forrunner to Negro video vixens shaking their behinds in rap videos)
There was a lot more to the lyric but I think that this should suffice, as it drives the point across. I dare any of you to post up lyrics from the 70s and I will easily demonstrate those decadent, social elements to the lyrics.
^No OP. In fact, the thread takes into consideration the origin of rap. Your introduction in the thread states: "It has gone from this to this" as if to imply that Rap had degenerated in its social message and value over time. Well, I challenged that assertion - I set forth an argument to the contrary! Rap has produced what it intended, from the onset of the hip hop movement. Rap and Hip Hop reflect the social dysfunction of a sub-culture, as simple as that. The music will never change until the people change their behavior and outlook on life.
Posted by asante-Korton (Member # 18532) on :
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: ^No OP. In fact, the thread takes into consideration the origin of rap. Your introduction in the thread states: "It has gone from this to this" as if to imply that Rap had degenerated in its social message and value over time. Well, I challenged that assertion - I set forth an argument to the contrary! Rap has produced what it intended from the onset of the hip hop movement.
"It has gone from this to this" simply means what used to be mainstream to what is mainstream today you idiot! And if you want to argue the origins of rap you can take it all the way back to the west african griots who spoke poetry over beats which is what emceeing is.
Posted by Confirming Truth (Member # 17678) on :
^Actually, poetry battles or --rap-- over beats goes back to the Anglo Saxxons. And it was called FLYTING. They were the ones who introduced the art to the Negro slaves. The Negroes developed it into their own form of poetic expression called "The Dozens." From The Dozens emerged "emceeing," and then rap.
YOU DO NOT KNOW THE HISTORY. YOU JUST GOT SCHOOLED.
Posted by asante-Korton (Member # 18532) on :
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: ^Actually, poetry battles or --rap-- over beats goes back to the Anglo Saxxons. And it was called FLYTING. They were the ones who introduced the art to the Negro slaves. The Negroes developed it into their own form of poetic expression called "The Dozens." From The Dozens emerged "emceeing," and then rap.
Now stop being a troll and leave this thread
Posted by africurious (Member # 19611) on :
quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton:
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: ^No OP. In fact, the thread takes into consideration the origin of rap. Your introduction in the thread states: "It has gone from this to this" as if to imply that Rap had degenerated in its social message and value over time. Well, I challenged that assertion - I set forth an argument to the contrary! Rap has produced what it intended from the onset of the hip hop movement.
"It has gone from this to this" simply means what used to be mainstream to what is mainstream today you idiot! And if you want to argue the origins of rap you can take it all the way back to the west african griots who spoke poetry over beats which is what emceeing is.
Hip-hop has always been about catchy beats and rhymes and what you see now is just a continuation of that. The catchier, the wider the audience that will like it = more sales = more $ for the artist. Far more ppl want to jam rather than hearing good lyrics.
I think Nicki Minaj was a bad example to use for your critique though because she actually spits hard and has a bunch of thoughtful songs aside from the one you posted.
Posted by asante-Korton (Member # 18532) on :
quote:Originally posted by africurious:
quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton:
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: ^No OP. In fact, the thread takes into consideration the origin of rap. Your introduction in the thread states: "It has gone from this to this" as if to imply that Rap had degenerated in its social message and value over time. Well, I challenged that assertion - I set forth an argument to the contrary! Rap has produced what it intended from the onset of the hip hop movement.
"It has gone from this to this" simply means what used to be mainstream to what is mainstream today you idiot! And if you want to argue the origins of rap you can take it all the way back to the west african griots who spoke poetry over beats which is what emceeing is.
Hip-hop has always been about catchy beats and rhymes and what you see now is just a continuation of that. The catchier, the wider the audience that will like it = more sales = more $ for the artist. Far more ppl want to jam rather than hearing good lyrics.
I think Nicki Minaj was a bad example to use for your critique though because she actually spits hard and has a bunch of thoughtful songs aside from the one you posted.
So you dont mind young black girls having this woman as there idol
Rather then someone like this
Posted by africurious (Member # 19611) on :
quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton:
quote:Originally posted by africurious:
quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton:
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: ^No OP. In fact, the thread takes into consideration the origin of rap. Your introduction in the thread states: "It has gone from this to this" as if to imply that Rap had degenerated in its social message and value over time. Well, I challenged that assertion - I set forth an argument to the contrary! Rap has produced what it intended from the onset of the hip hop movement.
"It has gone from this to this" simply means what used to be mainstream to what is mainstream today you idiot! And if you want to argue the origins of rap you can take it all the way back to the west african griots who spoke poetry over beats which is what emceeing is.
Hip-hop has always been about catchy beats and rhymes and what you see now is just a continuation of that. The catchier, the wider the audience that will like it = more sales = more $ for the artist. Far more ppl want to jam rather than hearing good lyrics.
I think Nicki Minaj was a bad example to use for your critique though because she actually spits hard and has a bunch of thoughtful songs aside from the one you posted.
So you dont mind young black girls having this woman as there idol
Rather then someone like this
Posted by africurious (Member # 19611) on :
^Yes, i'd rather young black girls idolize lauren but nicki minaj isn't that bad. She dresses weird sometimes but i don't see that's so bad. I'd rather the young not have to hear her lyrics definitely cuz only adults should but no way to stop that.
I think the scantilly clad women shaking their goods in videos and whose looks are tilted towards europe is a bigger detriment to young black girls.
Posted by element (Member # 19569) on :
I agree that Rappers delight had it's share of materialism & escapism.
Bragging & boasting has always been an integral part of reggae & hip hop..And a lot of the lyrical content was also suggestive , x rated, crass or materialistic.
Pre 1977 examples would be amongst movies . parents who played the dozens or soundsystem soundclashes.
Prince buster Lee perry Max romeo I roy u roy Big youth The last poets ( Lightnin' Rod ) Blowfly Rudy ray moore Redd fox
Posted by element (Member # 19569) on :
complexion obsession documentary for the curious & the passive aggressive imposters ..
quote:Originally posted by blaccentric bull: There is, unfortunately, one out-of-place, soar thumb in the photo. Can you guess which?
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
Does she really have a chicken wing on her necklace...
My God, the Ignorance and stupidity is mind boggling..
quote:Originally posted by africurious:
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Posted by Confirming Truth (Member # 17678) on :
Unlike the others, you at least are willing to admit that rap, in its present form, is an evolution of early rap.
quote:Originally posted by element: I agree that Rappers delight had it's share of materialism & escapism.
Bragging & boasting has always been an integral part of reggae & hip hop..And a lot of the lyrical content was also suggestive , x rated, crass or materialistic.
Pre 1977 examples would be amongst movies . parents who played the dozens or soundsystem soundclashes.
Prince buster Lee perry Max romeo I roy u roy Big youth The last poets ( Lightnin' Rod ) Blowfly Rudy ray moore Redd fox
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
Nikki Minaj Before and After..
^^^^^ She looked good before the surgery...but Im not gonna front, id probably still have sex with her though..just sayin
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
She is obviously trying to cop Lady Gaga, which I don't get it, her whole "Barbie" thing as weird and stupid as it was, was her own thing and was working for her...so why is she coping Gaga??
quote:Originally posted by africurious:
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Posted by Break-the-bull (Member # 19596) on :
^You have no business acumen, do you? She is a shrewd salesman! Nicky and her handlers understand that in order to appeal to a wider audience, you must have a White or white-like image. The world loves everything WHITE. A hard truth for bozos like you, heh?
Do you think if she only cornered a niche-market (Urban Black music audience) she would make money? As much as Negroes love to buy 'knock-offs,' she would not have a chance in hell to make a profit off her craft.
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
quote:The world loves everything WHITE. A hard truth for bozos like you, heh?
Translation: ''I love everything white''. Confirmed Truth aka Gigantic aka Break the Bull is 50 year old disgruntled Hebrew Israelite bum, trapped in the body of a teenager.
quote:to make a profit off her craft.
Schizophrenic fag, didn't you just put down Hip Hop, and now, when we're discussing Nicky Minaj, and how she's copying white Lady Gaga, we're talking about Nicki Minaj and her ''craft'' rather than ''material glorification'' and ''hostile/confrontational'' utterances, laid over a beat?
Senile two faced snake!
Posted by Oshun (Member # 19740) on :
Her make up is poorly blended in this photo. around the mouth the top of her face is lighter than the bottom. All of the stars are throwing on whatever crazy garb they can to stand out. Didn't Katy Perry walk around in a box or something like that?
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
SMDH AND KMT...SHE FAVA ONE RASS CLOWN...SHE SHUDA SHAMED FE WALK BOUT AH LOOK SUH... Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
she's probably going to blow up. I checked out her other music. cute garbage
Posted by Min- (Member # 6729) on :
^ She nice Posted by Confirming Truth (Member # 17678) on :
Actually, female white rappers is the in-thing in the southern Hip hop world. BTW..., she has a banging curvaceous bod'! Check out Deshawn and the White Girl Mob.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: the white Niki Minaj:
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
Some of the women who were considered sexy when I was a kid
None of these women went around like Nikki Minaj, Lil Kim was not seen as sexy in my circle.
Posted by Break-the-bull (Member # 19596) on :
^Lil Kim had an international appeal, unlike the ones you have in your post.
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
^^^^ LOL, Man STFU..Tyra Banks, Toni Braxton, Brady etc all had international success without acting like whores. Tyra Banks is probably the most famous Super Model currently both international and abroad, Toni Braxton's "Unbreak my heart" is an actual classic, unlike the garbage lil Kim has put out, name me a song Lil Kim has made that is still well known today like Toni Braxtons. Mya and Brandy simply decided not to push their careers after an early start, when I was young they were well known. Even other Famale Rappers like Salt and Pepa and Missy Elliot etc. never acted like whores like you and lioness are trying to imply.
This whole whorish, Lady Gaga bullcrap is a recent fad. Lil Kim was seen as a whore by my generation and so would Nikki Minaj had she came out back then, its this Soulja Boy, "Do the Dougie", Wocka-Flocka, watered down version of hip-hop that allows Nikki Minaj's wack rap to be popular. Hip-hop was watered down when I was a kid but nothing like this, at least we had Biggie, Tupac, the Old Emeniem, the old Nas etc.
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: ^^^^ LOL, Man STFU..Tyra Banks, Toni Braxton, Brady etc all had international success without acting like whores. Tyra Banks is probably the most famous Super Model currently both international and abroad, Toni Braxton's "Unbreak my heart" is an actual classic, unlike the garbage lil Kim has put out, name me a song Lil Kim has made that is still well known today like Toni Braxtons. Mya and Brandy simply decided not to push their careers after an early start, when I was young they were well known. Even other Famale Rappers like Salt and Pepa and Missy Elliot etc. never acted like whores like you and lioness are trying to imply.
This whole whorish, Lady Gaga bullcrap is a recent fad. Lil Kim was seen as a whore by my generation and so would Nikki Minaj had she came out back then, its this Soulja Boy, "Do the Dougie", Wocka-Flocka, watered down version of hip-hop that allows Nikki Minaj's wack rap to be popular. Hip-hop was watered down when I was a kid but nothing like this, at least we had Biggie, Tupac, the Old Emeniem, the old Nas etc.
Some of us do both remember and appreciate the times back when women artists sold their vocals rather than their bodies....
Here's a theory I find quite plausible about how and WHY hip hop lost its way. Apparently it was infiltrated by the FBI to lead blacks astray. “I believe that Death Row Records, which included dozens and dozens of police officers at all levels, according to a high-level police officer that investigated them, was a front company and was trying to continue penal coercion and mess up [Tupac Shakur's] head. Death Row, of course, published the most negative songs he ever produced." http://hiphopwired.com/2010/06/18/book-claims-fbi-used-death-row-to-stop-black-activism/ Posted by Whatbox (Member # 10819) on :
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
quote:Originally posted by africurious:
[/QB][/QUOTE]She is obviously trying to cop Lady Gaga, which I don't get it, her whole "Barbie" thing as weird and stupid as it was, was her own thing and was working for her...so why is she coping Gaga??
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... not really (I spotted the pink chicken wing too), Gaga really likes the crazy masks & hats.
Posted by Hersi_Yusuf (Member # 20078) on :
Nicki maybe ignorant and a bad role model but I'd still smash.
Ontopic: the Illiuminati is what is wrong with hip hop haven't you heard
Posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova (Member # 15718) on :
[b]I dare any to produce a rap song from the 70s that did not objectify women or wasn't materialistic, confrontational or anti-social.
How exactly is Kurtis Blow's "CHristmas Rappin" 1979, which sold almost half a mil copies "objectifying women, materialistic, confrontational or anti-social"? Do tell..
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Break-the-bull: ^Lil Kim had an international appeal, unlike the ones you have in your post.
lol hilarious. You must be crazy.
How did you manage to escape from the nut-house?
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [b]I dare any to produce a rap song from the 70s that did not objectify women or wasn't materialistic, confrontational or anti-social.
How exactly is Kurtis Blow's "CHristmas Rappin" 1979, which sold almost half a mil copies "objectifying women, materialistic, confrontational or anti-social"? Do tell..
Almost all the rap songs of that time had a party centered topic.
quote:Originally posted by Break-the-bull: Hiphop and rap have always been about bling, bitches, and thuggery. You obviously don't know the history of it. Go listen to the lyrics in Rapper's Delight and educate yourself. Early rap sowed the seed for what we presently have.
Sugarhill Gang - Rapper's Delight is probable one of the most famous rap song ever. You can even ask grand Ma and Pa. They sold millions upon millions of copies. From generation to generation. All social backgrounds. Internationally known from continent to continent etc...
quote:Originally posted by Break-the-bull: No clown, I never said they did. But they are the forerunners to the "movement." They were part of the grassroots of hip hop and reflected the sentiment of that period of hip hop, clown.
I dare any to produce a rap song from the 70s that did not objectify women or wasn't materialistic, confrontational or anti-social.
quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton: Yes rappers delight invented hip hop lol
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In fact where they came from there was no Hip Hop at that time. And those from the Bronx, NY were surprised to hear about them. But eventually were cool with it. (According to Kool Moe Dee).
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: Notice how none of you posted lyrics from that era of hiphop to dissect. I am not suprised. I will oblige you hypocrites.
Sugarhill gang, "Rapper's delight" (excerpted)
i got two big cars that definitely aint the wack i got a lincoln continental and a sunroof cadillac (early form of material glorification, e.g., car)
but i wouldnt give a sucker or a bum from the rucker not a dime til i made it again (early form of hostile and confrontational rap/ hiphop language)
ya say im gonna get a fly girl gonna get some spankin drive off in a def oj everybody go, hotel motel holiday inn say if your girl starts actin up, then you take her friend (early form of of rap misogyny and the beginning of hyper-sexualization in rap)
but he looks like a sucker in a blue and red suit i said you need a man who's got finesse and his whole name across his chest he may be able to fly all through the night but can he rock a party til the early light he cant satisfy you with his little worm but i can bust you out with my super sperm i go do it, i go do it, i go do it, do it , do it (confrontational, "beef," rap in its earliest form)
then she turned around and shook her behind so i said to myself, its time for me to release my vicious rhyme (forrunner to Negro video vixens shaking their behinds in rap videos)
There was a lot more to the lyric but I think that this should suffice, as it drives the point across. I dare any of you to post up lyrics from the 70s and I will easily demonstrate those decadent, social elements to the lyrics.
I read the news today, oh boy About a lucky man who made the grade And though the news was rather sad Well, I just had to laugh I saw the photograph
He blew his mind out in a car(?) He didn't notice that the lights had changed A crowd of people stood and stared They'd seen his face before Nobody was really sure if he was from the House of Lords
I saw a film today, oh boy The English army had just won the war (?) A crowd of people turned away But I just had to look, having read the book I'd love to turn you on
Woke up, got out of bed Dragged a comb across my head Found my way downstairs and drank a cup And looking up, I noticed I was late
Found my coat and grabbed my hat Made the bus in seconds flat Found my way upstairs and had a smoke (?) And somebody spoke and I went into a dream Ahh, ahh, ahh
I read the news today, oh boy Four thousand holes in Blackburn, Lancashire And though the holes were rather small They had to count them all Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall I'd love to turn you on
quote:
Stones
? (It's self explanatory).
I can't get no satisfaction I can't get no satisfaction 'Cause I try and I try and I try and I try I can't get no, I can't get no
When I'm drivin' in my car And that man comes on the radio He's tellin' me more and more About some useless information Supposed to fire my imagination I can't get no, oh no, no, no Hey hey hey, that's what I say
I can't get no satisfaction I can't get no satisfaction 'Cause I try and I try and I try and I try I can't get no, I can't get no
When I'm watchin' my T.V. And that man comes on to tell me How white my shirts can be But he can't be a man 'cause he doesn't smoke The same cigarrettes as me I can't get no, oh no, no, no Hey hey hey, that's what I say
I can't get no satisfaction I can't get no girl reaction 'Cause I try and I try and I try and I try I can't get no, I can't get no
When I'm ridin' round the world And I'm doin' this and I'm signing that And I'm tryin' to make some girl Who tells me baby better come back later next week 'Cause you see I'm on a losing streak I can't get no, oh no, no, no Hey hey hey, that's what I say
I can't get no, I can't get no I can't get no satisfaction No satisfaction, no satisfaction, no satisfaction
quote:
The Doors — The End
This is the end, Beautiful friend This is the end, My only friend, the end Of our elaborate plans, the end Of everything that stands, the end No safety or surprise, the end I'll never look into your eyesagain Can you picture what will be, So limitless and free Desperately in needof somestranger's hand In adesperate land Lost in a Romanwilderness of pain(?) And all the children are insane, All the children are insane Waiting for the summer rain, yeah There's danger on the edge of town Ride the King's highway, baby Weird scenes inside the gold mine Ride the highway west, baby Ride the snake, ride the snake(?) To the lake, the ancient lake, baby The snake is long, seven miles Ride the snakehe's old, and his skin is cold The west is the best, The west is the best Get here, and we'll do the rest The blue bus is callin' us, The blue bus is callin' us Driver, where you taken' us The killer awoke before dawn, he put his boots on(?) He took a face from the ancient gallery And he walked on down the hall He went into the room where his sister lived, andthen he Paid a visit to his brother, and then he He walked on down the hall, and And he came to a doorand he looked inside Father, yes son, I want to kill you(?) MotherI want tofuck you(?) C'mon baby, take a chance with us X3 And meet me at the back of the blue bus Doin' a blue rock, On a blue bus Doin' a blue rock, C'mon, yeah Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill (?) This is the end, Beautiful friend This is the end, My only friend, the end It hurts to set you free But you'll never follow me The end of laughter and soft lies The end of nights we tried to die This is the end
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by element: There were many pre 1985 social commentary recordings mostly based around world war 3 or anti drug themes.
This track references the sphinx, Olmecs. Ghana, Mali & Songhay.
Kurtis blow - Tough James brown Afrika bambaataa - unity Funky Four + 1 - King Heroin Jazzy jeff- king heroin The rake - street justice Captain rapp - Bad times ( Jimmy jam & Terry lewis )
Fatback band - Is this the future SugarHill gang - Livin in the fast lane Grandmaster Melle melle - white lines Grandmaster Melle melle - Jesse ( endorsing jesse jackson for presidency )
Dr jeckyll & mr hyde ( Andre Harrell )- fast life Divine sounds - what people do for money Afrika Bambaataa feat.John Lydon - World Destruction Project Future - Ray - Gun - Omics Malcolm X / Keith LeBlanc- No Sell Out
Very few groups had long term album deals in the early 80's.So Many releases were independent 12 inch singles.
Run dmc has a few social commentary tracks but ...It's like that ...Is the most popular due to its re release in the 90's & inclusion on a grand theft auto video game.
I'm a dj musician & was born in the 90s. My father & brothers owned soundsystems so i collect a lot of 70's - 80s vinyl as the sound is unique. I could find many more but some recordings are really bad..
eg Mr t , School band recordings etc
Re..The message
Grandmaster flash in his autobiography claims that this recording which they were forced to record caused the breakup of the band.They were told to let an outsider ( Duke Bootee ) replace the groups rappers. Melle mel was the only featured artist from the original group on the track . His verse " a child is born with no state of mind " is recycled from superappin which was recorded before gmff5 signed to sugarhill records.
Melle mel & Flash also mentions the anti drug hypocrisy at the time. As artists were consuming drugs & creating anti drug records
Eg Melle mel - white lines
I guess you have to experience hip hop at an earlier era to really notice the changes & similiarities with Jamaica.
I think the late 80's was a key period as artists evolved with better budgets ,contracts , endorsements & more. There was also a drugs & gun epidemic in the usa & Jamaica..
Planet Rock - The Story Of Hip Hop And The Crack Generation documentary
Not surprising considering were most came from, in social background.
Posted by Confirming Truth (Member # 17678) on :
FAIL. Hip hop reflects a realistic social state of American Negroes. You think posting up some lame ass song by Lenon and other white artists is going to prove otherwise? This is why Nigggers will never move forward. Always shucking and jiving.
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: Notice how none of you posted lyrics from that era of hiphop to dissect. I am not suprised. I will oblige you hypocrites.
Sugarhill gang, "Rapper's delight" (excerpted)
i got two big cars that definitely aint the wack i got a lincoln continental and a sunroof cadillac (early form of material glorification, e.g., car)
but i wouldnt give a sucker or a bum from the rucker not a dime til i made it again (early form of hostile and confrontational rap/ hiphop language)
ya say im gonna get a fly girl gonna get some spankin drive off in a def oj everybody go, hotel motel holiday inn say if your girl starts actin up, then you take her friend (early form of of rap misogyny and the beginning of hyper-sexualization in rap)
but he looks like a sucker in a blue and red suit i said you need a man who's got finesse and his whole name across his chest he may be able to fly all through the night but can he rock a party til the early light he cant satisfy you with his little worm but i can bust you out with my super sperm i go do it, i go do it, i go do it, do it , do it (confrontational, "beef," rap in its earliest form)
then she turned around and shook her behind so i said to myself, its time for me to release my vicious rhyme (forrunner to Negro video vixens shaking their behinds in rap videos)
There was a lot more to the lyric but I think that this should suffice, as it drives the point across. I dare any of you to post up lyrics from the 70s and I will easily demonstrate those decadent, social elements to the lyrics.
I read the news today, oh boy About a lucky man who made the grade And though the news was rather sad Well, I just had to laugh I saw the photograph
He blew his mind out in a car(?) He didn't notice that the lights had changed A crowd of people stood and stared They'd seen his face before Nobody was really sure if he was from the House of Lords
I saw a film today, oh boy The English army had just won the war (?) A crowd of people turned away But I just had to look, having read the book I'd love to turn you on
Woke up, got out of bed Dragged a comb across my head Found my way downstairs and drank a cup And looking up, I noticed I was late
Found my coat and grabbed my hat Made the bus in seconds flat Found my way upstairs and had a smoke (?) And somebody spoke and I went into a dream Ahh, ahh, ahh
I read the news today, oh boy Four thousand holes in Blackburn, Lancashire And though the holes were rather small They had to count them all Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall I'd love to turn you on
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Stones
? (It's self explanatory).
I can't get no satisfaction I can't get no satisfaction 'Cause I try and I try and I try and I try I can't get no, I can't get no
When I'm drivin' in my car And that man comes on the radio He's tellin' me more and more About some useless information Supposed to fire my imagination I can't get no, oh no, no, no Hey hey hey, that's what I say
I can't get no satisfaction I can't get no satisfaction 'Cause I try and I try and I try and I try I can't get no, I can't get no
When I'm watchin' my T.V. And that man comes on to tell me How white my shirts can be But he can't be a man 'cause he doesn't smoke The same cigarrettes as me I can't get no, oh no, no, no Hey hey hey, that's what I say
I can't get no satisfaction I can't get no girl reaction 'Cause I try and I try and I try and I try I can't get no, I can't get no
When I'm ridin' round the world And I'm doin' this and I'm signing that And I'm tryin' to make some girl Who tells me baby better come back later next week 'Cause you see I'm on a losing streak I can't get no, oh no, no, no Hey hey hey, that's what I say
I can't get no, I can't get no I can't get no satisfaction No satisfaction, no satisfaction, no satisfaction
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The Doors — The End
This is the end, Beautiful friend This is the end, My only friend, the end Of our elaborate plans, the end Of everything that stands, the end No safety or surprise, the end I'll never look into your eyesagain Can you picture what will be, So limitless and free Desperately in needof somestranger's hand In adesperate land Lost in a Romanwilderness of pain(?) And all the children are insane, All the children are insane Waiting for the summer rain, yeah There's danger on the edge of town Ride the King's highway, baby Weird scenes inside the gold mine Ride the highway west, baby Ride the snake, ride the snake(?) To the lake, the ancient lake, baby The snake is long, seven miles Ride the snakehe's old, and his skin is cold The west is the best, The west is the best Get here, and we'll do the rest The blue bus is callin' us, The blue bus is callin' us Driver, where you taken' us The killer awoke before dawn, he put his boots on(?) He took a face from the ancient gallery And he walked on down the hall He went into the room where his sister lived, andthen he Paid a visit to his brother, and then he He walked on down the hall, and And he came to a doorand he looked inside Father, yes son, I want to kill you(?) MotherI want tofuck you(?) C'mon baby, take a chance with us X3 And meet me at the back of the blue bus Doin' a blue rock, On a blue bus Doin' a blue rock, C'mon, yeah Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill (?) This is the end, Beautiful friend This is the end, My only friend, the end It hurts to set you free But you'll never follow me The end of laughter and soft lies The end of nights we tried to die This is the end
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Don Corleone where did you pick up that dude from Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
Fail, many people I know who listen to rap do very well in society and are higher educated. In fact they do better than you ever will. Even though I don't like modern hip hop, it has become a billion dollar industry. You only happen to look at the surface. As narrow minded as you are. Rapping about succes in life to you means failing.
Use your vivid imagination when it comes to the early pop songs and modern pop songs, see the connection already?
See how it has effected society as a whole. "The world isn't what it used to be". lol
Not only are you stupid when it comes to anthropology, archaeology etc..but also in sociology you don't score very well.
All the aspects you've mentioned earlier on already were long before hip hop was in existence. Tell me it's not so?lol
Is this moral?
He blew his mind out in a car(?)
Found my way upstairs and had a smoke (?)
This was the spinning point of something larger. Look and listen at pop music later on, up till now how it demoralized.
And a lot of these fans were drugs users too!
*Not everybody lives in your world of sucking and jiving.
Considering the many inconsequent failures by you, it's evident you aren't that well educated.
Real gangster rap started with NWA.
Real conscious rap with Grand Master Flash and the Furious 5, The Message. It can only make you wonder we it was called the message? There is also a second part of that song.
And at the same time you'll use the N-word at any unimaginable chance you get. As if it was invented by these young black males? Even the expression sucking and jiving dates back way before rap music. lol
Confirming truth.
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: FAIL. Hip hop reflects a realistic social state of American Negroes. You think posting up some lame ass song by Lenon and other white artists is going to prove otherwise? This is why Nigggers will never move forward. Always shucking and jiving.
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: Notice how none of you posted lyrics from that era of hiphop to dissect. I am not suprised. I will oblige you hypocrites.
Sugarhill gang, "Rapper's delight" (excerpted)
i got two big cars that definitely aint the wack i got a lincoln continental and a sunroof cadillac (early form of material glorification, e.g., car)
but i wouldnt give a sucker or a bum from the rucker not a dime til i made it again (early form of hostile and confrontational rap/ hiphop language)
ya say im gonna get a fly girl gonna get some spankin drive off in a def oj everybody go, hotel motel holiday inn say if your girl starts actin up, then you take her friend (early form of of rap misogyny and the beginning of hyper-sexualization in rap)
but he looks like a sucker in a blue and red suit i said you need a man who's got finesse and his whole name across his chest he may be able to fly all through the night but can he rock a party til the early light he cant satisfy you with his little worm but i can bust you out with my super sperm i go do it, i go do it, i go do it, do it , do it (confrontational, "beef," rap in its earliest form)
then she turned around and shook her behind so i said to myself, its time for me to release my vicious rhyme (forrunner to Negro video vixens shaking their behinds in rap videos)
There was a lot more to the lyric but I think that this should suffice, as it drives the point across. I dare any of you to post up lyrics from the 70s and I will easily demonstrate those decadent, social elements to the lyrics.
I read the news today, oh boy About a lucky man who made the grade And though the news was rather sad Well, I just had to laugh I saw the photograph
He blew his mind out in a car(?) He didn't notice that the lights had changed A crowd of people stood and stared They'd seen his face before Nobody was really sure if he was from the House of Lords
I saw a film today, oh boy The English army had just won the war (?) A crowd of people turned away But I just had to look, having read the book I'd love to turn you on
Woke up, got out of bed Dragged a comb across my head Found my way downstairs and drank a cup And looking up, I noticed I was late
Found my coat and grabbed my hat Made the bus in seconds flat Found my way upstairs and had a smoke (?) And somebody spoke and I went into a dream Ahh, ahh, ahh
I read the news today, oh boy Four thousand holes in Blackburn, Lancashire And though the holes were rather small They had to count them all Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall I'd love to turn you on
quote:
Stones
? (It's self explanatory).
I can't get no satisfaction I can't get no satisfaction 'Cause I try and I try and I try and I try I can't get no, I can't get no
When I'm drivin' in my car And that man comes on the radio He's tellin' me more and more About some useless information Supposed to fire my imagination I can't get no, oh no, no, no Hey hey hey, that's what I say
I can't get no satisfaction I can't get no satisfaction 'Cause I try and I try and I try and I try I can't get no, I can't get no
When I'm watchin' my T.V. And that man comes on to tell me How white my shirts can be But he can't be a man 'cause he doesn't smoke The same cigarrettes as me I can't get no, oh no, no, no Hey hey hey, that's what I say
I can't get no satisfaction I can't get no girl reaction 'Cause I try and I try and I try and I try I can't get no, I can't get no
When I'm ridin' round the world And I'm doin' this and I'm signing that And I'm tryin' to make some girl Who tells me baby better come back later next week 'Cause you see I'm on a losing streak I can't get no, oh no, no, no Hey hey hey, that's what I say
I can't get no, I can't get no I can't get no satisfaction No satisfaction, no satisfaction, no satisfaction
quote:
The Doors — The End
This is the end, Beautiful friend This is the end, My only friend, the end Of our elaborate plans, the end Of everything that stands, the end No safety or surprise, the end I'll never look into your eyesagain Can you picture what will be, So limitless and free Desperately in needof somestranger's hand In adesperate land Lost in a Romanwilderness of pain(?) And all the children are insane, All the children are insane Waiting for the summer rain, yeah There's danger on the edge of town Ride the King's highway, baby Weird scenes inside the gold mine Ride the highway west, baby Ride the snake, ride the snake(?) To the lake, the ancient lake, baby The snake is long, seven miles Ride the snakehe's old, and his skin is cold The west is the best, The west is the best Get here, and we'll do the rest The blue bus is callin' us, The blue bus is callin' us Driver, where you taken' us The killer awoke before dawn, he put his boots on(?) He took a face from the ancient gallery And he walked on down the hall He went into the room where his sister lived, andthen he Paid a visit to his brother, and then he He walked on down the hall, and And he came to a doorand he looked inside Father, yes son, I want to kill you(?) MotherI want tofuck you(?) C'mon baby, take a chance with us X3 And meet me at the back of the blue bus Doin' a blue rock, On a blue bus Doin' a blue rock, C'mon, yeah Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill (?) This is the end, Beautiful friend This is the end, My only friend, the end It hurts to set you free But you'll never follow me The end of laughter and soft lies The end of nights we tried to die This is the end
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton: Its has gone from this
part 1 of KRS-ONE - Hip Hop Beyond Entertainment, a lecture on the history of Hip-Hop, culturally and politically. He talks about the Zulu Nation and the Black Panthers specifically, the second part of the lecture he talks more about spirituality, manifestation principles and the importance of trees.
Lawrence Krisna Parker (born August 20, 1965), better known by his stage names KRS-One (or simply KRS), and Teacha, is an American rapper. At the 2008 BET Awards, KRS-One was the recipient of the Lifetime Achievement Award for all his work and effort towards the Stop the Violence Movement as well as the overall pioneering of hip hop music and culture. Born Lawrence Parker in Park Slope, Brooklyn in the summer of 1965, the MC left home at 14 to become an MC and Philosopher. He came to live in a homeless shelter in the South Bronx, where he was dubbed Krishna by residents because of his interest in the Hare Krishna spirituality of some of the antipoverty workers. By the time he met youth counselor Scott Sterling, he was also writing graffiti as KRS-One (Knowledge Reigns Supreme Over Nearly Everyone). Together he and Sterling, a.k.a. DJ Scott La Rock eventually created Boogie Down Productions, releasing their debut album, Criminal Minded, in 1987. KRS-One has been a vegetarian since his youth. In the summer of 1984, KRS-One hit the music scene with a rap group called "Scott La rock and the Celebrity Three" with a record called "Advance". In a time when most rappers rhymed about cars, jewelry, alcohol, and the latest dance, KRS-One was rhyming about nuclear war prevention. Scott La Rock and the Celebrity Three was composed of Scott La Rock, Levi167, MC Quality, and KRS-One. After five largely solo albums under the name "Boogie Down Productions," KRS-One decided to set out on his own. On his first solo album, 1993's Return of the Boom Bap, Parker worked together with producers DJ Premier, Kid Capri and Showbiz,[disambiguation needed] the latter providing the catchy-yet-hardcore track "Sound of da Police". In the words of the original uploader - KRS-ONE: Hip Hop Beyond Entertainment Recorded Live at Hip Hop 101 Temple University April 2004 A Video by Alex Goldblum Special
Thanks to the Philosopher of Hip Hop, Knowledge Reigns Supreme Over Nearly Everybody.
^^^Troll Patty, aren't you spending a little too much time on this? although at this point in 2012, you have become lead spammer over zarahan.I guess that must count for something. I mean CT or cassy right two sentences and in reply you write an eighteen page book, they got you doing the do
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ^^^Troll Patty, aren't you spending a little too much time on this? although at this point in 2012, you have become lead spammer over zarahan.I guess that must count for something. I mean CT or cassy right two sentences and in reply you write an eighteen page book, they got you doing the do
1). I have the time and money to do so.
2). None put you in authority to make any of your absurd claims.
3). Stop mimicking a black woman. It's preposterous.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
why do you say I'm mimicking a black woman? Do I accuse you of mimicking a black man?
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: why do you say I'm mimicking a black woman? Do I accuse you of mimicking a black man?
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton: Its has gone from this
Di plastic 'blowjob barbie' aka Nicki Minaj is ah one rass eediat kmrt smh Posted by MIND POWER (Member # 6729) on :
Ah... she was just a lil' sis with a FAT ASS to me. What is a Black man to do when a FAT ASS is jiggling before his tormented eyes?
But you folks here show your insecurities... You have elevated what should have been a simple "one time" nutt into some kind of ghetto royalty. Carry on I guess it's Fair Posted by MIND POWER (Member # 6729) on :
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: ^No OP. In fact, the thread takes into consideration the origin of rap. Your introduction in the thread states: "It has gone from this to this" as if to imply that Rap had degenerated in its social message and value over time. Well, I challenged that assertion - I set forth an argument to the contrary! Rap has produced what it intended, from the onset of the hip hop movement. Rap and Hip Hop reflect the social dysfunction of a sub-culture, as simple as that. The music will never change until the people change their behavior and outlook on life.
Bitch please. What have you produced? Oh, don't tell us. Jacking material for your little wanker ass. mastubatory material for confirming idiot..
Musician Marilyn Manson is a degenerate; he uses drugs, he glorifies promiscuity, and he has used depraved homoerotic imagery in his videos. He pays homage to Nazism throughout his art, usually in subtle ways, but very frequently. He holds far right views on most subjects, although he has a lot of contempt for christianity. He has been vilified for speaking out against Jewish run record labels, for his contempt of blacks, and frequently using Nazi imagery and salutes on stage. He is an avid collector of Nazi memorabilia, and was once quoted as saying his biggest inspiration for his charismatic onstage personality was Adolph Hitler, which is easy to see if you have ever been to one of his concerts.
Lyrics Long-time music industry watchers and fans say that on his album 'The Golden Age Of Grotesque' there is veiled pro-nazi racist meaning in two of the songs; in the album's namesake song 'the golden age of grotesque' he sings the line:
"it's a dirty word, reich, say what you like", In another song; 'this is the new sh*t', he sings "are you mother****ing ready, for the new sh*t, stand up and admit, tomorrows never coming, this is the new sh*t, stand up and admit". Apparently the hidden meaning is that in the "dirty word, reich, say what you like" is meant so that in the next song, "sh*t" can be exchanged for reich, giving the song a whole new meaning. "are you mother****ing ready, for the new reich, stand up and admit, tomorrow's never coming, this is the new reich, stand up and admit."
So Confirming wanker boy. Sounds like Manson is right up your alley. Now adjourn your bitch ass.
jacking material for Confrming Idiot..
Posted by kikuyu22 (Member # 19561) on :
IMO rap has lasted much longer than other music genres. It seems there is a reason though many may say its straight out of left field.
quote:
He told us that since our employers had become silent investors in this prison business, it was now in their interest to make sure that these prisons remained filled. Our job would be to help make this happen by marketing music which promotes criminal behavior, rap being the music of choice. http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=49102 A music exec explains the true origin of gangsta rap. Call me a professional conspiracy theorist but that to me is the only valid reason for the popularity of (c)rap.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
History of Gangsta Rap
Gangsta rap is a subgenre of hip hop music that evolved from hardcore hip hop and purports to reflect urban crime and the violent lifestyles of inner-city youths. The genre was pioneered in the mid-1980s by rappers such as Schoolly D and Ice-T, and was popularized in the later part of the 1980s by groups like N.W.A.The 1973 album Hustler's Convention by Lightnin' rod and Jaren Clark featured lyrics that deal with street life, including pimping and the hustling of drugs any rappers, such as Ice T and Mac Dre, have credited pimp and writer Iceberg Slim with influencing their rhymes. Rudy Ray Moore's stand-up comedy and films based on his Dolemite hustler-pimp alter ego also had an impact on gangsta rap and are still a popular source for samples. Finally, blaxploitation films of the 1970s, with their vivid depictions of black underworld figures, were a major inspiration as well. For example, the opening skit on Snoop Dogg's Doggystyle is a homage to the famous bathtub scene in the 1972 film Super Fly, while the rapper Notorious B.I.G. took his alias "Biggie Smalls" from a character in the 1975 film Let's Do It Again. In 1986, Los Angeles based rapper Ice-T released "6 in the Mornin'", which is often regarded as the first gangsta rap song. Ice-T had been MCing since the early '80s. In an interview with PROPS magazine, Ice-T said:
Here's the exact chronological order of what really went down: The first record that came out along those lines was Schoolly D's "P.S.K." Then the syncopation of that rap was used by me when I made "6 in the Mornin'". The vocal delivery was the same: '...P.S.K. is makin' that green', '...six in the morning, police at my door'. When I heard that record I was like "Oh @#!*% !" and call it a bite or what you will but I dug that record. My record didn't sound like P.S.K., but I liked the way he was flowing with it. P.S.K. was talking about Park Side Killers but it was very vague. That was the only difference, when Schoolly did it, it was "...one by one, I'm knockin' em out." All he did was represent a gang on his record. I took that and wrote a record about guns, beating people down, and all that with "6 in the Mornin'". At the same time my single came out, Boogie Down Productions hit with Criminal Minded, which was a gangster-based album. It wasn't about messages or "You Must Learn", it was about gangsterism.
In 2011, Ice-T repeated in his autobiography that Schoolly D was his inspiration for gangsta rap. Ice-T continued to release gangsta albums for the remainder of the decade: Rhyme Pays in 1987, Power in 1988 and The Iceberg/Freedom of Speech...Just Watch What You Say in 1989. Ice-T's lyrics also contained strong political commentary, and often played the line between glorifying the gangsta lifestyle and criticizing it as a no-win situation. Boogie Down Productions released their first single, "Say No Brother (Crack Attack Don't Do It)", in 1986. It was followed by "South-Bronx/P is Free" and "9mm Goes Bang" in the same year. The latter is the most gangsta-themed song of the three; in it, KRS-One boasts about shooting a crack dealer and his posse to death (in self-defense). The album Criminal Minded followed in 1987, and was the first rap album to have fire arms on its cover. Shortly after the release of this album, BDP's DJ, Scott LaRock was shot and killed. After this, BDP's subsequent records were more focused with the inadequate rationale removed. The first blockbuster gangsta rap album was N.W.A's Straight Outta Compton, released in 1988. Straight Outta Compton would establish West Coast hip hop as a vital genre, and establish Los Angeles as a legitimate rival to hip hop's long-time capital, New York City. Straight Outta Compton sparked the first major controversy regarding hip hop lyrics when their song "**** Tha Police" earned a letter from FBI Assistant Director, Milt Ahlerich, strongly expressing law enforcement's resentment of the song. Due to the influence of Ice T and N.W.A, gangsta rap is often credited as being an originally West Coast phenomenon, despite the contributions of East Coast acts like Boogie Down Productions in shaping the genre. In the early 1990s, former N.W.A member Ice Cube would further influence gangsta rap with his hardcore, socio-political solo albums, which suggested the potential of gangsta rap as a political medium to give voice to inner-city youth. N.W.A's second album, Efil4zaggin (1991) (released after Ice Cube's departure from the group), broke ground as the first gangsta rap album to reach #1 on the Billboard pop charts Skooly D
Skooly D , first gansta rap song "P.S.K. What does it mean?" 1985
lyrics:
PSK, we're makin that green People always say, "What the hell does that mean?" P for the people who can't understand How one homeboy became a man S for the way we scream and shout One by one I'm knockin you out K for the way my DJ kuttin Other MC's, man, they ain't sayin nothin Rockin on to the brink of dawn I think, Code Money, yo time is on (2x)
Drivin in my car down the avenue Towin on a j, sippin on some brew Turn around, see the fly young lady Pull to the curb and park my Mercedes Sayin, "Fly lady, now you're lookin real nice Sweeter than honey, sugar and spice" Told her my name was MC Schoolly D All about makin that cash money She said, "Schoolly D, I know your game Heard about you in the hall of fame" I said, "Mama, mama, I tell you no lies Cause all I wanna do is to get you high And eh - lay you down and do the body rock To the wall, to the corner," got into the car Took a little trip to a fancy bar Copped some brew, some j, some coke Tell you now, brother, this ain't no joke She got me to the crib, she laid me on the bed I fucked her from my toes to the top of my head I finally realized the girl was a whore Gave her ten dollars, she asked me for some more
PSK, we're makin that green People always say, "What the hell does that mean?" P for the people who can't understand How one homeboy became a man S for the way we scream and shout One by one I'm knockin you out K for the way my DJ kuttin Other MC's, man, they ain't sayin nothin Rockin on to the brink of dawn I think, Code Money, yo time is on
Clinton Road one Saturday night Towin on a cheeba I was feelin alright Then my homie-homie called me on the phone His name is Chief Keith, but we call him Bone Told me 'bout this party on the Southside Copped my pistols, jumped into the ride Got at the bar, copped some flack Copped some cheeba-cheeba, it wasn't wack Got to the place, and who did I see A sucker-ass nigga tryin to sound like me Put my pistol up against his head I said, "Sucker-ass nigga, I should shoot you dead" A thought ran across my educated mind Said, man, Schoolly D ain't doin no time Grabbed the microphone and I started to talk Sucker-ass nigga, man, he started to walk
PSK, we're makin that green People always say, "What the hell does that mean?" P for the people who can't understand How one homeboy became a man S for the way we scream and shout One by one I'm knockin you out K for the way my DJ kuttin Other MC's, man, they ain't sayin nothin Rockin on to the brink of dawn I think, Code Money, yo time is on
Ice T
Boogie Down Productions (KRS 1)
9mm Goes Bang
La la la la la la la la...la...la...la La la la la la la la la..la..la...la...la Buck! Buck! Chorus: Wa da da dang Wa da da da dang (Ay!) Listen to my 9 millimeter go bang Wa da da dang Wa da da da dang (Ay!) This is KRS One... Verse 1: Me knew a crack dealer by the name of Peter Had to buck him down with my 9 millimeter He said I had his girl I said "Now what are you? Stupid?" But he tried to play me out and KRS-One knew it He reached for his pistol but it was just a waste Cos my 9 millimeter was up against his face He pulled his pistol anyway and I filled him full of lead But just before he fell to the ground this is what I said... Repeat chorus La la-la la-la la-la la...la...la...la La la-la la-la la-la la..la..la...la...la x2 Verse 2: Seven days later I was chillin in the herb gate But seven days too much when the gossip has to circulate Puffin sensemilla I heard "knock knock knock" But the way that they knocked it did not sound like any cop And if it were a customer they'd ask me for a nick So suddenly I realized it had to be a trick I dropped down to the floor and they did not waste no time They shot right through the door so I had to go for mine They pumped and shot again but the suckas kept on missin Cos I was on the floor by now, I crawled into the kitchen Thirty seconds later, boy, they bust the door down The money and the sensemi' was lyin all around But just as they put their pistols down to take a cut Me jumped out the kitchen, went "buck! buck! buck!" They fall down to the floor but one was still alive So I put my 9 millimeter right between his eyes Looked at his potnah and both of them were dead So just before he joined his potnah this is what I said... Repeat chorus La la-la la-la la-la la...la...la...la La la-la la-la la-la la..la..la...la...la x2 Verse 3: I gathered all the money and I ran up the block I said "This is a perfect time to meet with Scott LaRock" But Scott is either psychic or he has a knack for trouble Cos Scott LaRock showed up in a all-black BMW I jumped inside the car and we screeched off in a hurry And Scott said "What is wrong? Relax, tell me the story" I said "You remember Peter? Well his posse tried to kill me I'm all right now because the sensemi' fill me" Scott just laughed, he said "I know they're all dead And just before you pulled the trigger this is what you said..." Repeat chorus La la-la la-la la-la la...la...la...la La la-la la-la la-la la..la..la...la...la x2
Posted by kikuyu22 (Member # 19561) on :
Here's more evidence of the malign powers behind the popularity of (c)rap and hip hop.
quote:
RS: I saw when the Illuminati first infiltrated hip-hop. How they used folks. In the Nineties, there were two wealthy young white girls who had the game on lock…Jessica Rosenblum and Amanda Sheer. Jessica Rosenblum and Amanda Sheer were the biggest promoters in hip-hop during this time. You could not get your hip-hop artist into a party or show without going through Jessica or Amanda. These two came out of nowhere. There were a lot of people who were getting jerked back then. But then there were some who got even fatter, like Puffy...what an appropriate name. Puffy has a long history with Jessica…he was riding her coat all the way back to the City College massacre. .....
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RS: If you mean key “pawns” (i.e., expendable pieces) then count Sean “Puffy” Combs who attended Howard University where he became a member of the notorious fraternity, Alpha Phi Alpha and they are all Boulé (i.e., Illuminati pawns). Other key pawns include, but are not limited to Jay-Z, Will Smith, Ne-Yo, T.I., Nelly, Kanye, Rihanna, Lady GaGa, Beyonce, Dr. Dre, Eminen, Rick Ross, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Mike Jones, Lil’ Flip, Young Jeezy, all who have allowed the Illuminati to use them to infiltrate hip-hop. http://www.thedarksideoffame.com/MyraPanache-Part2-Archives.htm These are excerpts from hip hop illuminati by Rebecca Scott. Here in Kenya I can't get my hands on the book-someone buy it read all and give us the condensed thumbnail version.
Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
^people are still at it, revising hiphop to sanitize its origin lmao!
Posted by LocDiva (Member # 13393) on :
Hip-hop changed because in it's rawest form it defies the established, read white, order. I know that when cops got mad about Fxxx the Police and other songs, whites eventually found a way to neutralize it. The best remedy is to find and support local artists who stay true to form in your area. Somebody who is not tied to a label is bolder about what they say. They have little to lose. Personally I don't keep up with the genre anymore but if fans want TRUE rap to thrive they have to commit to supporting it no matter who (or does not) embraces it.
Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
^Give me a fucking break with the romanticizing of hiphop. The "culture" called hiphop is the artistic expression of the state of affairs of a community. From its inception, hiphop has always reflected social dysfunction of a people in a glamorizing way. After all, what else was there in the Black communities besides dysfunction? There was an attempt in the 80s to change that image because of the severe impact or "multiplying effect" hiphop had on the community. Yet it was doomed to fail, and we see this today, as the function of hiphop was always only to report what was happening in the streets of the hood. Never was its intent to provide solutions. After all, speaking about good and virtuous deeds aint "cool" enough in said culture.
Posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova (Member # 15718) on :
Indeed, that black dysfunction is like nothing ever seen before. White people by contrast are sterling "role models" of behavior....
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^^Caucasoid "role model"...
2--WHite "role models" are leading the charge to redefine and destroy traditional marriage along homosexual lines.
It took people on the left side- the despised Black and Hispanic "NAMs", to preserve traditional marriage in California, USA. Whites were willing to undermine it, and continue to do so nationwide. Derbyshire and other HBDers are always lecturing black folk on monogamy, conveniently skirting the fact that whites themselves are fast undermining and destroying monogamy.
A related claim advanced by biodiversity proponents is the absence of monogamy among Africans until "outside" influences like European colonialism brought it. But this is nonsense. Polygamy was more common in Africa than in Europe, but monogamy also has a long history in Africa even before Africans were forciblly transported to the US, and before any significant influence from Europe. Of the 31 captives of the famous Amistad slave ship for example, 15 were married, and only 1 was polygamous, and monogamy is common in various parts of Africa. See <i>Slavery in North Carolina, 1748-1775. by Marvin L. Michael Kay, Lorin Lee Cary- pg 160.</i> Some HBDers also tout "Middle easterners" and Asians as "role models" on this score but in fact, Asia has had polygamy for a long time parallel with monogamy, along with things like multiple concubinage, practiced in China. And it was not until 1945 that polygamy was finally abolished in Japan.
And people like Jews practiced polygamy for centuries as documented in the Bible and anthropological studies. For Arabs and those who follow Islam, polygamy is permissible even today. Indeed while monogamy has been more dominant in Europe, polygamy has always been around until very recent times. Indeed, one of the things Christianity did for Europe was to stamp out and discourage polygamy. Ironically, there is also a long tradition of polygamy in white Christianity (see <i>After polygamy was made a sin: the social history of Christian polygamy- By John Cairncross</i>), and polygamy is documented as common in white Russia in various eras. Ironically Christianity itself, based on the religion of a Semitic people from the sub-tropical Middle East, not cold climate areas, was adopted in white Europe, and thus provided the "rules of morality" that helped suppress polygamy (among other things) by Europeans in many regions as Cairncross notes. In the modern era, the revolving door divorce cycle of many modern whites closely approaches patterns of polygamy.
Another related claim is of an era of idyllic white virtue and goodness during the 1970s, a temporary time of paradise, before disreputable "minorities" moved in to spoil things. Alas this claim too, in its many variants, both hard and soft, is bogus. The supposed "idyllic serenity" may have existed in SOME white areas, but within that haze of supposed sweetness and light, white America was rapidly degenerating in the 1970s, a continuation of trends from the 1960s, long before any real "integration" of the suburbs by blacks. White America saw rising divorce rates, rising drug use, rising out of wedlock births, rising feminism, rising homosexuality, etc. All this is well documented by historians in books such as Bruce J. Schulman's 2002 "The seventies: the great shift in American culture, society.." Furthermore the driving forces behind such changes were whites themselves. Black "militancy" or crime for example has little to do with why rising numbers of whites decided to divorce in the 1970s for example, hastening the breakdown of white family structure, whatever the psychic satisfactions of using the black "Other" as a convenient scapegoat. --------------------------------------------------------------
3--White "role models" lead in abortions and rape
ABORTION: Many HBDers would automatically point the finger at those perennial scapegoats - the black and brown "NAMs" but they carefully avoid the real story. The highest rates of abortion in the world are among white women in Russia, where 2 babies are killed for each live birth according to scholars Loveless and Holman (2006). The website below offers a similar dismal picture, showing that 60% or more of white Russian women have abortions. Derbyshire and his ilk are quick to trot out "genetic deficiency" explanations on this score where black folk are concerned, but hypocritically, start to hem and haw when their touted more virtuous whites post statistics even worse than blacks. You suddenly hear a mysterious silence then. They never consistently apply their own biased methods to whites, and say that white "genetic deficiencies" cause such outcomes. http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/may/06051003.html
RAPE
The highest incidence of rape in the modern world is perpetrated by white "role models". SOviet troops not only raped over two million German women, but also tens of thousands of SoVIET women who had been taken for slave labour by the Nazis. The white troops raped their own fellow citizens, who had just undergone suffering under the Nazis.
"Researchers of the Russian archives and German hospital archives gave an estimate of about one million German woman raped in Berlin and its surrounding areas, and two million German women in the eastern parts of Germany (Weidner 2008- Treibutgut des Krieges: Zeugnisse von Flucht und Vertreibung der Deutschen, Kassel: Volksbund Duetscher Kriegsgraeberfuersorg e.V.))." --FROM: The Will to Live 1010. By Erika Vora
"Beria and Stalin in Moscow knew perfectly well what was going on. In one report they were told that 'many Germans declare that all German women in East PRussia who stayed behind were raped by Red Army soldiers'. Numerous examples of gang rape were given - 'girls under eighteen and old women included'. In fact victims could be as young as twelve years old.'"
"..women and girls released from slave labout in Germany. Many of the girls were as young as sixteen when taken to the Reich; some were just fourteen. The widespread raping of women taken forcibly from the Soviet Union completely undermines any attempts at justifying Red Army behaviour on the grounds of revenge for German brutality in the Soviet Union. -- Antony Beevor. 2003. The Fall of Berlin: 945
In addition, during the era of slavery, tens of thousands of black women were brutally raped by whites. After slavery, sexual assaults by whites against black women continued, with black victims forbidden to testify against their attackers or intimidated into silence while white authorities collaborated with white rapists to look the other way. The brutal case of Recy Taylor, documented in the book At the Dark End of the Street, 2011, by Danielle McGuire - is typical of the conduct of white "role models" - actual physical rape to start, and later rape by an alleged "justice" system.
Tens of thousands of white on black rapes occurred prior to the FBI investigations and civil rights protections of the 1960s, according to author Danielle McGuire. The horrific gang rape of Recy Taylor which many white newspapers declined to even report, is merely one example of white "role models" at work. WHite law enforcement authorities knew who the attackers were based on Taylor's description, but avoided doing an official police lineup, ensuring that Taylor would not be able to point them out in open court.
The white authorities claimed they had the men on bond, "pending trial", but court records show that they issued bond after Taylor's hearing, backdating their supposed "arrest." An all-white jury declined to indict the attackers, who did not even bother to show up in court.
Meanwhile, the black victim's house was firebombed by whites because she reported the rape. A detailed analysis of the case is in At the Dark End of the Street, 2011, by Danielle McGuire
Historical data "Virtually every known nineteenth-century female slave narrative contains a reference to, at some juncture, the ever present threat and reality of rape. Thwo works come immediately to mind: Hariet Jacob's Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl (1861) and Elizabeth Jeckley's Behnd the Scenes or Thirdy Years a Slave (1868).." Beverly Guy-Sheftall. 1995. Words of Fire
"After the Civil Ear, the widespread rape of Black women by white men persisted. Black women were vulnerable to rape in several ways that white women were not. First the rape of Black women was used as a weapon of group terror by white mobs and by the Ku Klux Klan during Reconstruction. Second, because Black women worked outside the home, they were exposed to employers; sexual aggression as white women who worked inside the home were not... [One white judge said to a black victim] 'This court will never take the word of a nigger against the word of a white man.' -- Karen J. Maschke. 1997 The Legal Response to Violence Against Women
Northern European "role models" also show high rates of violence, criminality, substance abuse and welfare dependency as conservative scholar Thomas Sowell notes. [QUOTE:]
"Such living patterns reflected not only the poverty of the Irish but also their being used to squalid living conditions in mud huts in Ireland... Sewage piled up in backyard privies until the municipal authorities chose to collect it, or else it ran off in open trenches, fouling the air and providing breeding grounds for dangerous diseases. The importance of proper garbage disposal, to keep the neighborhood from being overrun with rats, was one of many similar facts of urban life that every rural group new to the city would have to learn over the years, beginning with the Irish, and continuing through many others until the present day. Cholera, which had been unknown before, swept through Boston in 1849, concentrated almost exclusively in Irish neighborhoods. In New York, cholera was also disproportionately observed in Irish wards. In various cities, both tuberculosis and fire swept regularly through the overcrowded tenements where the Irish lived, and there was a high rate of insanity among the Irish immigrants.. The incidence of tuberculosis in Boston varied closely with the proportion of the Irish living in a neighborhood. Patterns of alcoholism and fighting brought over from Ireland persisted in the United States. Over half the people arrested in New York in the 1850s were Irish.. Police vans became known as 'Paddy wagons" because the prisoners in them were so often Irish. "The fighting Irish" was a phrase that covered everything from individual brawls to mass melees (known as "Donnybrooks" for a town in Ireland) to criminal gangs.. Irish neighborhoods were tough neighborhoods in cities around the country. The Irish Sixth Ward in New York was known as "the bloody ould Sixth." Another Irish Neighborhood in New York was known as "Hell's Kitchen," and another as 'San Juan Hill" because of the battles fought there. In Milwaukee, the Irish section was called the "Bloody Third".. Where the Irish workers built the Illinois Central Railroad, people spoke of "a murder a mile" as they laid track. The largest riot in American history was by predominantly Irish rioters in New York in 1863..
Even the proportion of the black population who were laborers and house servants in Boston in 1850 was much lower than among the Irish, and the free blacks in mid- century Boston were in general economically better off than the Irish. The Irish-women's work as domestic servants and washerwomen was usually more steadily available than that of Irishmen- a situation later to be repeated among blacks. As in Ireland itself, the poverty and improvidence of the Irish immigrants to America often reduced them to living on charity when hard times came. In early nineteenth-century Ireland, even before the famine, it was common for whole families of the poor to go 'tramping about it for months, bragging from parish to parish.' Recourse to public charity was a well-established habit carried over to America. Expenditures for relief to the poor in Boston more than doubled from 1845 to 1855, during the heavy influx of the Irish, after such expenditures had been relatively stable for years. In New York City in the same era, about 60 percent of the people in almshouses had been born in Ireland. As late as 1906, there were more Irish than Italian paupers, beggars and inmates of almshouses, even though the Italians arrived a generation later and were generally poorer at the turn of the century. radically different attitudes toward accepting charity existed in Ireland and Italy, and these attitudes apparently had more effect than their respective objective economic conditions in America. There were similar cultural differences in attitudes toward the abandonment of wives and children. In the 1840s, 'it was almost automatically assumed than an orphan was Irish," and as late as 1914, about half the Irish families on Manhattan's west side were fatherless.
No such pattern appeared among the Italians. Although the Irish immigrants (like other immigrants) had a disproportionate representation of young people in the prime of life, the mortality rate shot up after their arrival. Boston's mortality rate in 1850 was double that of the rest of Massachusetts, even though there were relatively fewer aged people in Boston. The difference was due to the extremely high mortality rate in the Irish neighborhoods. Diseases that had become rare in America now flourished again. In 1849, cholera spread through Philadelphia to New York and to Boston- primarily in Irish neighborhoods. There had not been a smallpox epidemic in Boston since 1792, but after 1845, it became a recurring plague, again primarily among the Irish. The spread of the Irish into other neighborhoods, mean, among other things, the spread of these and other diseases.
The residential flight of middle-class Americans from the Irish immigrants was by no means all irrationality... Today's neighborhood changes have been dramatized by such expressions was 'white flight' but these patterns existed long before black-white neighborhood changes were the issue. When the nineteenth-century Irish immigrants flooded into New York and Boston, the native Americans fled. With the first appearance of an Irish family in a neighborhood, 'the exodus of non-Irish residents began. 'White flight' is a misleading term, not only because of its historical narrowness, but also because blacks too have fled when circumstances were reversed. Blacks fled a whole series of neighborhoods in nineteenth-century New York, 'pursued' by new Italian immigrants who moved in. The first blacks in Harlem were fleeing from the tough Irish neighborhoods in mid-Manhattan, and avoided going north of 145th Street for fear of encountering more Irish there." [ENDQUOTE]> --FROM: Sowell, T. (1981). Ethnic America
9- White "role models" historically lead in the murder of children- infanticide..
Scholarly works such as Milner 2000 (Milner, Larry S. (2000). Hardness of Heart / Hardness of Life: The Stain of Human Infanticide') and many others give many of the gory details of the activities of these allegedly virtuous "role models." Asian societies like China for example historically carried out massive amounts of sex selective infanticide. In "Caucasoid" India, female infanticide of newborn girls was systematic in many areas, including tossing children into the Ganges River as a sacrificial offering. Among supposedly more moral and virtuous Caucasoid Europeans, killing of children was common. In ancient Sardinia, three thousand bones of young children, with evidence of sacrificial rituals, have been found there. Among supposedly more virtuous Caucasoid stocks in Southwest Asia or the "Middle East", child sacrifices to their goddess Ishtar was routine, and among some Caucasoid tribes of what is now Greece, every 10th child was killed as sacrifice in difficult economic times. In Caucasoid Carthage, child sacrifice according to Milner, "reached its infamous zenith," with infants and young children burned in fire or roasted alive in hot bronze. One archeological excavations yielded 20,000 charred remains of young children (packed in urns). The Bible mentions such sacrifice among the Caucasoid Phoenicians at a site called Topeth. (Brown, Shelby (1991). Late Carthaginian Child Sacrifice and Sacrificial Monuments in their Mediterranean Context.)
In "Caucasoid" Greece, the exposure of unwanted newborns was not uncommon, especially among the noble Spartans. In Caucasoid Rome, infanticide was common, despite laws on the books. Indeed Philo the Philosopher speaks out against it, noting the casual nature with which it was carried out by the Romans. Offenders were rarely prosecuted under Roman law, and said law allowed killing of Caucasoid newborns if they were visibly deformed. (Naphtali, Lewis, ed (1985). "Papyrus Oxyrhynchus 744". Life in Egypt Under Roman Rule). Indeed Rome was founded by near victims of infanticide- the legendary Romulus and Remus. Among the ancient Caucasoid Germanic tribes, the practice was not unknown, and unwanted children were liquidated in the forests. Archeological data shows the burnt bones of children, disposed of as child sacrifice in ancient Britain. (Boswell, John (1988). The Kindness of Strangers. NY: Vintage Books).
In "Caucasoid" Europe of the Middle Ages, one scholar (Langer 2000) notes that infanticide "was practiced on gigantic scale with absolute impunity, noticed by writers with most frigid indifference". At the end of the 12th century, notes Richard Trexler, Roman women threw their newborns into the Tiber river in daylight. (Langer, William L. (1974). "Infanticide: a historical survey". History of Childhood Quarterly 1 (3): 353–366. -- Trexler, Richard (1973). "Infanticide in Florence: new sources and first results". History of Childhood quarterly 1: 99.)
In Caucasoid Russia child sacrifice was offered to the pagan god Perun, who was worshipped as the god of lightning and thunder, and in Kamchatka, children were tossed to dogs to be eaten alive. (Russia in the era of NEP: explorations in Soviet society and culture - Page 201. 1991. Sheila Fitzpatrick, Alexander Rabinowitch, Richard Stites)
By contrast with the supposedly more virtuous and moral Caucasoids and Asiatics above, Africa has the lowest incidence of infanticide. As scholar Milner notes: QUOTE:
"Africa has been reported to have a lower incidence of infanticide than all of the other continents." --Milner, L.S. (2000). Hardness of Heart / Hardness of Life: the stain of infanticide. University Press. p. 160
Infanticide did occur in Africa but to a MUCH LOWER extent that allegedly more virtuous cold Caucasoid or Asiatic “role models.” Ancient Egypt, which was fundamentally populated by peoples with tropical limb proportions from south of the Sahara, is no exception (Zakrewski 2007, Keita 1992, 2005, 2008, Raxter and Ruff 2008 et al). In Egyptian households, at all social levels, children of both sexes were valued and there is no evidence of infanticide.[14] The religion of the Ancient Egyptians forbade infanticide and during the Greco-Roman period they rescued abandoned babies from manure heaps, a common method of infanticide by Greeks or Romans, and were allowed to either adopt them as foundlings or raise them as slaves, often giving them names such as "copro -" to memorialise their rescue.[15] Strabo considered it a peculiarity of the Egyptians that every child must be reared.[16] Diodorus indicates infanticide was a punishable offence.[17]
Notes: 14- "Egypt and the Egyptians", Emily Teeter, p. 97, Cambridge University Press, 1999, 15- "Eroticism and Infanticide at Ashkelon", Lawrence E. Stager, Biblical Archaeology Review, July/Aug 1991 16- "Folkways: A Study of Mores, Manners, Customs and Morals", W Sumner, p. 318, Cosmo 2007, 17- "Life in Ancient Egypt", Adolf Erman, Trans H. M. Tirard, p. 141, pub 1894, repub Kessinger 2003, -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
10- WHite "role models" lead in producing child pornography, with biggest production by the supposedly more virtuous cold climate peoples of northern and eastern Europe, with Asiatics not far behind. Most child pornography is produced by whites, including more disturbing explicit and violent child pornography
A 2010 UN study found that 85% of all child pornography is produced in cold climate regions of Europe. This confirms older analyses by US Customs which found the bulk of child pornography originating in Europe, with Germany being one of the prominent leaders. Studies in the 2000s point to an increasing growth trend of more explicit child pornography.[/b] [QUOTE]: "Amateur pornography produced in Mexico, Philippines and Brazil has been detected but clearly these sources do not predominate... 90% of the commercial child pornography comes from "Eastern Bloc" countries in Europe, and that as a location, Eastern Europe appears to be key to be the organization of the trade." > -- Globalization of Crime: A Transnational Organized Crime Threat Assessment . United Nations Office on Drus and Crime, Geneva: 2010[/i]
One US study in the 1980s found that [quote] "According to the US Customs Service, "the traditional source countries are; Sweden, Dennmark and the Netherlands. France, Japan, Thailand, and the Philippines are considered new sources." and "85% of all imported child pornography seized by Customs originated in The Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden. Acccording to INTERPOL, Germany was the major producer, The Netherlands and the United Kingdom were the major distribution centers, and the United States was the largest market. "
-- Dept of the Treasury, US Customs Service, Child Pornography and Protection Unit, 1984: In The sexual exploitation of children (1999) Seth L. Goldstein. CRC Press[/i]
A new more disturbing growth in child pornography fueled by white eastern Europeans: - [QUOTE] "the emergence of more explicit child pornography from Eastern Europe, access to which involves payment, seem to represent a new and disturbing growth in cmmerical exploitation of the market for child pornography." > --Child pornography: an Internet crime. By Maxwell Taylor, Ethel Quayle. Pyshcology Press, 2003
10-- WHite "role models" make up over 95% of all mass murdering "spree" killers, deliberately planned, calculated slaughter of dozens of innocents at a time, from Anton Brevik in Norway who killed 71 people in a 2011 rampage- most children to Colorado mass murderer James Holmes who killed 12 at a movie theatre in 2012, cincluding a six-year old child. POlice say the murderous spree was carefully planned for months in advance.
SOME MASS "RAMPAGE" OR "SPREE" KILLINGS BY WHITE "ROLE MODELS:"
Mass murderer, Brevik of Norway.. 71 dead, most children..
12 Killed- July 2012 Twelve people were killed and nearly 60 others wounded during a midnight showing on Friday of "The Dark Knight Rises." - JUly 2012 Police identified the suspect as James Holmes, 24, who is in custody. --------------------------------------------------
77 killed in Oslo -- July 22, 2011:
Confessed mass killer Anders Behring Breivik killed 77 in Norway in twin attacks: a bombing in downtown Oslo and a shooting massacre at a youth camp outside the capital. The self-styled anti-Muslim militant admitted both attacks.
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16 killed in Erfurt, Germany -- April 26, 2002:
Robert Steinhaeuser, 19, who had been expelled from school killed 13 teachers, two former classmates and a policeman, before committing suicide. ----------------------------------------------------------------
13 killed at Littleton, Colo. -- April 20, 1999:
Students Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, opened fire at Columbine High School, killing 12 classmates and a teacher and wounding 26 others before killing themselves in the school's library. ---------------------------------------------
35 killed in Tasmania, Australia -- April 28, 1996:
Martin Bryant, 29, burst into cafeteria in seaside resort of Port Arthur, shooting 20 people to death. Driving away, he killed 15 others. He was captured and imprisoned. ----------------------------------------------
16 killed in Dunblane, Scotland -- March 13, 1996:
Thomas Hamilton, 43, killed 16 kindergarten children and their teacher in an elementary school then killed himself. ----------------------------------------------------------------
23 killed in Killeen, Texas -- Oct. 16, 1991:
George Hennard opened fire at a Luby's Cafeteria, killing 23 people before taking his own life. Twenty others were wounded in the attack. ----------------------------------------------------------------
21 killed at San Ysidro, Calif. -- July 18, 1984:
James Oliver Huberty (left), an out-of-work security guard, killed 21 people in a McDonald's restaurant. A police sharpshooter killed Huberty. Seven killed at California State University, Fullerton-- July 12, 1976: ----------------------------------------------------------------
16 killed at the University of Texas at Austin -- Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman opened fire from the clock tower at the University of Texas at Austin, killing 16 people and wounding 31. ------------------------------------------------------
SONG LYRICS BY WHITE "ROLE MODELS"
^Caucasoid "role models"..
Below the white "pacesetters" sing about sex with a cadaver...
Fistf#$Q$ Her Decomposed Cadaver
Digging up her corpse, she is worm infested Badly decomposed, but I take her to my home Stench of rot turns me on and my #@#$K grows rapidly I am so horny, I need to &#^% that dirty wh#@$# I put my @#$@ in her mouth, b#tc@# gives rotted head It feels so good, I slap her pus-filled face Now its time to give her something putrefying .. The taste is incredible, much better than the one that is alive
...censored...
Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
^Classic example of obfuscation.
Posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova (Member # 15718) on :
No, classic example of your "functional" white "role models".. They are making brisk sales below as well..
Tracklist
01 Guttural Secrete - Sculpting Fragments of Mangled 02 Pathology - Septic Shock 03 Torsofuck - Vaginal Disembowelment 04 Amputated - Raped with a jack hammer 05 Putrid Pile - Food For The Maggots.m4a 06 Decrepit Birth - Rebirth Of Conciousness 07 Gutted - Nine Men, A Woman And The Poor Little Boy 08 Dead For Days - Face Down In A Pile Of Dog **** 09 Infected Malignity - Frightened At The Crime 10 Defeated Sanity - Tortured Existence 11 Saprogenic - Ichneumoid 12 Benighted - Benighted Transcendence 13 Wormed - Planisphaerium 14 Brutus - Onan 15 Visceral Bleeding - Butcher knife impalement 16 Impure - In Disrespect 17 Prostitute Disfigurement - Insides To Expose 18 Unmerciful - Masochistic Rampage 19 Serial Butcher - Cum Gut Expulsion 20 Devourment - Masturbating At The Slab 21 Disavowed - Abolition Of Impediment
Total playing time: 01:05:47
Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
^decadent aspects of White culture affect individual loan wolves, while decadent aspects of black culture affect entire communities.
What were saying again, fool? lmao!! you have a huge L on your forehead there buddy.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
zarahan definiton of a "role model": anybody he chooses at random
Posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova (Member # 15718) on :
^^Caucasoid "role model"...
2--WHite "role models" are leading the charge to redefine and destroy traditional marriage along homosexual lines.
It took people on the left side- the despised Black and Hispanic "NAMs", to preserve traditional marriage in California, USA. Whites were willing to undermine it, and continue to do so nationwide. Derbyshire and other HBDers are always lecturing black folk on monogamy, conveniently skirting the fact that whites themselves are fast undermining and destroying monogamy.
A related claim advanced by biodiversity proponents is the absence of monogamy among Africans until "outside" influences like European colonialism brought it. But this is nonsense. Polygamy was more common in Africa than in Europe, but monogamy also has a long history in Africa even before Africans were forciblly transported to the US, and before any significant influence from Europe. Of the 31 captives of the famous Amistad slave ship for example, 15 were married, and only 1 was polygamous, and monogamy is common in various parts of Africa. See <i>Slavery in North Carolina, 1748-1775. by Marvin L. Michael Kay, Lorin Lee Cary- pg 160.</i> Some HBDers also tout "Middle easterners" and Asians as "role models" on this score but in fact, Asia has had polygamy for a long time parallel with monogamy, along with things like multiple concubinage, practiced in China. And it was not until 1945 that polygamy was finally abolished in Japan.
And people like Jews practiced polygamy for centuries as documented in the Bible and anthropological studies. For Arabs and those who follow Islam, polygamy is permissible even today. Indeed while monogamy has been more dominant in Europe, polygamy has always been around until very recent times. Indeed, one of the things Christianity did for Europe was to stamp out and discourage polygamy. Ironically, there is also a long tradition of polygamy in white Christianity (see <i>After polygamy was made a sin: the social history of Christian polygamy- By John Cairncross</i>), and polygamy is documented as common in white Russia in various eras. Ironically Christianity itself, based on the religion of a Semitic people from the sub-tropical Middle East, not cold climate areas, was adopted in white Europe, and thus provided the "rules of morality" that helped suppress polygamy (among other things) by Europeans in many regions as Cairncross notes. In the modern era, the revolving door divorce cycle of many modern whites closely approaches patterns of polygamy.
Another related claim is of an era of idyllic white virtue and goodness during the 1970s, a temporary time of paradise, before disreputable "minorities" moved in to spoil things. Alas this claim too, in its many variants, both hard and soft, is bogus. The supposed "idyllic serenity" may have existed in SOME white areas, but within that haze of supposed sweetness and light, white America was rapidly degenerating in the 1970s, a continuation of trends from the 1960s, long before any real "integration" of the suburbs by blacks. White America saw rising divorce rates, rising drug use, rising out of wedlock births, rising feminism, rising homosexuality, etc. All this is well documented by historians in books such as Bruce J. Schulman's 2002 "The seventies: the great shift in American culture, society.." Furthermore the driving forces behind such changes were whites themselves. Black "militancy" or crime for example has little to do with why rising numbers of whites decided to divorce in the 1970s for example, hastening the breakdown of white family structure, whatever the psychic satisfactions of using the black "Other" as a convenient scapegoat. --------------------------------------------------------------
3--White "role models" lead in abortions and rape
ABORTION: Many HBDers would automatically point the finger at those perennial scapegoats - the black and brown "NAMs" but they carefully avoid the real story. The highest rates of abortion in the world are among white women in Russia, where 2 babies are killed for each live birth according to scholars Loveless and Holman (2006). The website below offers a similar dismal picture, showing that 60% or more of white Russian women have abortions. Derbyshire and his ilk are quick to trot out "genetic deficiency" explanations on this score where black folk are concerned, but hypocritically, start to hem and haw when their touted more virtuous whites post statistics even worse than blacks. You suddenly hear a mysterious silence then. They never consistently apply their own biased methods to whites, and say that white "genetic deficiencies" cause such outcomes. http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/may/06051003.html
RAPE
The highest incidence of rape in the modern world is perpetrated by white "role models". SOviet troops not only raped over two million German women, but also tens of thousands of SoVIET women who had been taken for slave labour by the Nazis. The white troops raped their own fellow citizens, who had just undergone suffering under the Nazis.
"Researchers of the Russian archives and German hospital archives gave an estimate of about one million German woman raped in Berlin and its surrounding areas, and two million German women in the eastern parts of Germany (Weidner 2008- Treibutgut des Krieges: Zeugnisse von Flucht und Vertreibung der Deutschen, Kassel: Volksbund Duetscher Kriegsgraeberfuersorg e.V.))." --FROM: The Will to Live 1010. By Erika Vora
"Beria and Stalin in Moscow knew perfectly well what was going on. In one report they were told that 'many Germans declare that all German women in East PRussia who stayed behind were raped by Red Army soldiers'. Numerous examples of gang rape were given - 'girls under eighteen and old women included'. In fact victims could be as young as twelve years old.'"
"..women and girls released from slave labout in Germany. Many of the girls were as young as sixteen when taken to the Reich; some were just fourteen. The widespread raping of women taken forcibly from the Soviet Union completely undermines any attempts at justifying Red Army behaviour on the grounds of revenge for German brutality in the Soviet Union. -- Antony Beevor. 2003. The Fall of Berlin: 945
In addition, during the era of slavery, tens of thousands of black women were brutally raped by whites. After slavery, sexual assaults by whites against black women continued, with black victims forbidden to testify against their attackers or intimidated into silence while white authorities collaborated with white rapists to look the other way. The brutal case of Recy Taylor, documented in the book At the Dark End of the Street, 2011, by Danielle McGuire - is typical of the conduct of white "role models" - actual physical rape to start, and later rape by an alleged "justice" system.
Tens of thousands of white on black rapes occurred prior to the FBI investigations and civil rights protections of the 1960s, according to author Danielle McGuire. The horrific gang rape of Recy Taylor which many white newspapers declined to even report, is merely one example of white "role models" at work. WHite law enforcement authorities knew who the attackers were based on Taylor's description, but avoided doing an official police lineup, ensuring that Taylor would not be able to point them out in open court.
The white authorities claimed they had the men on bond, "pending trial", but court records show that they issued bond after Taylor's hearing, backdating their supposed "arrest." An all-white jury declined to indict the attackers, who did not even bother to show up in court.
Meanwhile, the black victim's house was firebombed by whites because she reported the rape. A detailed analysis of the case is in At the Dark End of the Street, 2011, by Danielle McGuire
Historical data "Virtually every known nineteenth-century female slave narrative contains a reference to, at some juncture, the ever present threat and reality of rape. Thwo works come immediately to mind: Hariet Jacob's Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl (1861) and Elizabeth Jeckley's Behnd the Scenes or Thirdy Years a Slave (1868).." Beverly Guy-Sheftall. 1995. Words of Fire
"After the Civil Ear, the widespread rape of Black women by white men persisted. Black women were vulnerable to rape in several ways that white women were not. First the rape of Black women was used as a weapon of group terror by white mobs and by the Ku Klux Klan during Reconstruction. Second, because Black women worked outside the home, they were exposed to employers; sexual aggression as white women who worked inside the home were not... [One white judge said to a black victim] 'This court will never take the word of a nigger against the word of a white man.' -- Karen J. Maschke. 1997 The Legal Response to Violence Against Women
Northern European "role models" also show high rates of violence, criminality, substance abuse and welfare dependency as conservative scholar Thomas Sowell notes. [QUOTE:]
"Such living patterns reflected not only the poverty of the Irish but also their being used to squalid living conditions in mud huts in Ireland... Sewage piled up in backyard privies until the municipal authorities chose to collect it, or else it ran off in open trenches, fouling the air and providing breeding grounds for dangerous diseases. The importance of proper garbage disposal, to keep the neighborhood from being overrun with rats, was one of many similar facts of urban life that every rural group new to the city would have to learn over the years, beginning with the Irish, and continuing through many others until the present day. Cholera, which had been unknown before, swept through Boston in 1849, concentrated almost exclusively in Irish neighborhoods. In New York, cholera was also disproportionately observed in Irish wards. In various cities, both tuberculosis and fire swept regularly through the overcrowded tenements where the Irish lived, and there was a high rate of insanity among the Irish immigrants.. The incidence of tuberculosis in Boston varied closely with the proportion of the Irish living in a neighborhood. Patterns of alcoholism and fighting brought over from Ireland persisted in the United States. Over half the people arrested in New York in the 1850s were Irish.. Police vans became known as 'Paddy wagons" because the prisoners in them were so often Irish. "The fighting Irish" was a phrase that covered everything from individual brawls to mass melees (known as "Donnybrooks" for a town in Ireland) to criminal gangs.. Irish neighborhoods were tough neighborhoods in cities around the country. The Irish Sixth Ward in New York was known as "the bloody ould Sixth." Another Irish Neighborhood in New York was known as "Hell's Kitchen," and another as 'San Juan Hill" because of the battles fought there. In Milwaukee, the Irish section was called the "Bloody Third".. Where the Irish workers built the Illinois Central Railroad, people spoke of "a murder a mile" as they laid track. The largest riot in American history was by predominantly Irish rioters in New York in 1863..
Even the proportion of the black population who were laborers and house servants in Boston in 1850 was much lower than among the Irish, and the free blacks in mid- century Boston were in general economically better off than the Irish. The Irish-women's work as domestic servants and washerwomen was usually more steadily available than that of Irishmen- a situation later to be repeated among blacks. As in Ireland itself, the poverty and improvidence of the Irish immigrants to America often reduced them to living on charity when hard times came. In early nineteenth-century Ireland, even before the famine, it was common for whole families of the poor to go 'tramping about it for months, bragging from parish to parish.' Recourse to public charity was a well-established habit carried over to America. Expenditures for relief to the poor in Boston more than doubled from 1845 to 1855, during the heavy influx of the Irish, after such expenditures had been relatively stable for years. In New York City in the same era, about 60 percent of the people in almshouses had been born in Ireland. As late as 1906, there were more Irish than Italian paupers, beggars and inmates of almshouses, even though the Italians arrived a generation later and were generally poorer at the turn of the century. radically different attitudes toward accepting charity existed in Ireland and Italy, and these attitudes apparently had more effect than their respective objective economic conditions in America. There were similar cultural differences in attitudes toward the abandonment of wives and children. In the 1840s, 'it was almost automatically assumed than an orphan was Irish," and as late as 1914, about half the Irish families on Manhattan's west side were fatherless.
No such pattern appeared among the Italians. Although the Irish immigrants (like other immigrants) had a disproportionate representation of young people in the prime of life, the mortality rate shot up after their arrival. Boston's mortality rate in 1850 was double that of the rest of Massachusetts, even though there were relatively fewer aged people in Boston. The difference was due to the extremely high mortality rate in the Irish neighborhoods. Diseases that had become rare in America now flourished again. In 1849, cholera spread through Philadelphia to New York and to Boston- primarily in Irish neighborhoods. There had not been a smallpox epidemic in Boston since 1792, but after 1845, it became a recurring plague, again primarily among the Irish. The spread of the Irish into other neighborhoods, mean, among other things, the spread of these and other diseases.
The residential flight of middle-class Americans from the Irish immigrants was by no means all irrationality... Today's neighborhood changes have been dramatized by such expressions was 'white flight' but these patterns existed long before black-white neighborhood changes were the issue. When the nineteenth-century Irish immigrants flooded into New York and Boston, the native Americans fled. With the first appearance of an Irish family in a neighborhood, 'the exodus of non-Irish residents began. 'White flight' is a misleading term, not only because of its historical narrowness, but also because blacks too have fled when circumstances were reversed. Blacks fled a whole series of neighborhoods in nineteenth-century New York, 'pursued' by new Italian immigrants who moved in. The first blacks in Harlem were fleeing from the tough Irish neighborhoods in mid-Manhattan, and avoided going north of 145th Street for fear of encountering more Irish there." [ENDQUOTE]> --FROM: Sowell, T. (1981). Ethnic America
9- White "role models" historically lead in the murder of children- infanticide..
Scholarly works such as Milner 2000 (Milner, Larry S. (2000). Hardness of Heart / Hardness of Life: The Stain of Human Infanticide') and many others give many of the gory details of the activities of these allegedly virtuous "role models." Asian societies like China for example historically carried out massive amounts of sex selective infanticide. In "Caucasoid" India, female infanticide of newborn girls was systematic in many areas, including tossing children into the Ganges River as a sacrificial offering. Among supposedly more moral and virtuous Caucasoid Europeans, killing of children was common. In ancient Sardinia, three thousand bones of young children, with evidence of sacrificial rituals, have been found there. Among supposedly more virtuous Caucasoid stocks in Southwest Asia or the "Middle East", child sacrifices to their goddess Ishtar was routine, and among some Caucasoid tribes of what is now Greece, every 10th child was killed as sacrifice in difficult economic times. In Caucasoid Carthage, child sacrifice according to Milner, "reached its infamous zenith," with infants and young children burned in fire or roasted alive in hot bronze. One archeological excavations yielded 20,000 charred remains of young children (packed in urns). The Bible mentions such sacrifice among the Caucasoid Phoenicians at a site called Topeth. (Brown, Shelby (1991). Late Carthaginian Child Sacrifice and Sacrificial Monuments in their Mediterranean Context.)
In "Caucasoid" Greece, the exposure of unwanted newborns was not uncommon, especially among the noble Spartans. In Caucasoid Rome, infanticide was common, despite laws on the books. Indeed Philo the Philosopher speaks out against it, noting the casual nature with which it was carried out by the Romans. Offenders were rarely prosecuted under Roman law, and said law allowed killing of Caucasoid newborns if they were visibly deformed. (Naphtali, Lewis, ed (1985). "Papyrus Oxyrhynchus 744". Life in Egypt Under Roman Rule). Indeed Rome was founded by near victims of infanticide- the legendary Romulus and Remus. Among the ancient Caucasoid Germanic tribes, the practice was not unknown, and unwanted children were liquidated in the forests. Archeological data shows the burnt bones of children, disposed of as child sacrifice in ancient Britain. (Boswell, John (1988). The Kindness of Strangers. NY: Vintage Books).
In "Caucasoid" Europe of the Middle Ages, one scholar (Langer 2000) notes that infanticide "was practiced on gigantic scale with absolute impunity, noticed by writers with most frigid indifference". At the end of the 12th century, notes Richard Trexler, Roman women threw their newborns into the Tiber river in daylight. (Langer, William L. (1974). "Infanticide: a historical survey". History of Childhood Quarterly 1 (3): 353–366. -- Trexler, Richard (1973). "Infanticide in Florence: new sources and first results". History of Childhood quarterly 1: 99.)
In Caucasoid Russia child sacrifice was offered to the pagan god Perun, who was worshipped as the god of lightning and thunder, and in Kamchatka, children were tossed to dogs to be eaten alive. (Russia in the era of NEP: explorations in Soviet society and culture - Page 201. 1991. Sheila Fitzpatrick, Alexander Rabinowitch, Richard Stites)
By contrast with the supposedly more virtuous and moral Caucasoids and Asiatics above, Africa has the lowest incidence of infanticide. As scholar Milner notes: QUOTE:
"Africa has been reported to have a lower incidence of infanticide than all of the other continents." --Milner, L.S. (2000). Hardness of Heart / Hardness of Life: the stain of infanticide. University Press. p. 160
Infanticide did occur in Africa but to a MUCH LOWER extent that allegedly more virtuous cold Caucasoid or Asiatic “role models.” Ancient Egypt, which was fundamentally populated by peoples with tropical limb proportions from south of the Sahara, is no exception (Zakrewski 2007, Keita 1992, 2005, 2008, Raxter and Ruff 2008 et al). In Egyptian households, at all social levels, children of both sexes were valued and there is no evidence of infanticide.[14] The religion of the Ancient Egyptians forbade infanticide and during the Greco-Roman period they rescued abandoned babies from manure heaps, a common method of infanticide by Greeks or Romans, and were allowed to either adopt them as foundlings or raise them as slaves, often giving them names such as "copro -" to memorialise their rescue.[15] Strabo considered it a peculiarity of the Egyptians that every child must be reared.[16] Diodorus indicates infanticide was a punishable offence.[17]
Notes: 14- "Egypt and the Egyptians", Emily Teeter, p. 97, Cambridge University Press, 1999, 15- "Eroticism and Infanticide at Ashkelon", Lawrence E. Stager, Biblical Archaeology Review, July/Aug 1991 16- "Folkways: A Study of Mores, Manners, Customs and Morals", W Sumner, p. 318, Cosmo 2007, 17- "Life in Ancient Egypt", Adolf Erman, Trans H. M. Tirard, p. 141, pub 1894, repub Kessinger 2003, -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
10- WHite "role models" lead in producing child pornography, with biggest production by the supposedly more virtuous cold climate peoples of northern and eastern Europe, with Asiatics not far behind. Most child pornography is produced by whites, including more disturbing explicit and violent child pornography
A 2010 UN study found that 85% of all child pornography is produced in cold climate regions of Europe. This confirms older analyses by US Customs which found the bulk of child pornography originating in Europe, with Germany being one of the prominent leaders. Studies in the 2000s point to an increasing growth trend of more explicit child pornography.[/b] [QUOTE]: "Amateur pornography produced in Mexico, Philippines and Brazil has been detected but clearly these sources do not predominate... 90% of the commercial child pornography comes from "Eastern Bloc" countries in Europe, and that as a location, Eastern Europe appears to be key to be the organization of the trade." > -- Globalization of Crime: A Transnational Organized Crime Threat Assessment . United Nations Office on Drus and Crime, Geneva: 2010[/i]
One US study in the 1980s found that [quote] "According to the US Customs Service, "the traditional source countries are; Sweden, Dennmark and the Netherlands. France, Japan, Thailand, and the Philippines are considered new sources." and "85% of all imported child pornography seized by Customs originated in The Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden. Acccording to INTERPOL, Germany was the major producer, The Netherlands and the United Kingdom were the major distribution centers, and the United States was the largest market. "
-- Dept of the Treasury, US Customs Service, Child Pornography and Protection Unit, 1984: In The sexual exploitation of children (1999) Seth L. Goldstein. CRC Press[/i]
A new more disturbing growth in child pornography fueled by white eastern Europeans: - [QUOTE] "the emergence of more explicit child pornography from Eastern Europe, access to which involves payment, seem to represent a new and disturbing growth in cmmerical exploitation of the market for child pornography." > --Child pornography: an Internet crime. By Maxwell Taylor, Ethel Quayle. Pyshcology Press, 2003
10-- WHite "role models" make up over 95% of all mass murdering "spree" killers, deliberately planned, calculated slaughter of dozens of innocents at a time, from Anton Brevik in Norway who killed 71 people in a 2011 rampage- most children to Colorado mass murderer James Holmes who killed 12 at a movie theatre in 2012, cincluding a six-year old child. POlice say the murderous spree was carefully planned for months in advance.
SOME MASS "RAMPAGE" OR "SPREE" KILLINGS BY WHITE "ROLE MODELS:"
Mass murderer, Brevik of Norway.. 71 dead, most children..
12 Killed- July 2012 Twelve people were killed and nearly 60 others wounded during a midnight showing on Friday of "The Dark Knight Rises." - JUly 2012 Police identified the suspect as James Holmes, 24, who is in custody. --------------------------------------------------
77 killed in Oslo -- July 22, 2011:
Confessed mass killer Anders Behring Breivik killed 77 in Norway in twin attacks: a bombing in downtown Oslo and a shooting massacre at a youth camp outside the capital. The self-styled anti-Muslim militant admitted both attacks.
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16 killed in Erfurt, Germany -- April 26, 2002:
Robert Steinhaeuser, 19, who had been expelled from school killed 13 teachers, two former classmates and a policeman, before committing suicide. ----------------------------------------------------------------
13 killed at Littleton, Colo. -- April 20, 1999:
Students Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, opened fire at Columbine High School, killing 12 classmates and a teacher and wounding 26 others before killing themselves in the school's library. ---------------------------------------------
35 killed in Tasmania, Australia -- April 28, 1996:
Martin Bryant, 29, burst into cafeteria in seaside resort of Port Arthur, shooting 20 people to death. Driving away, he killed 15 others. He was captured and imprisoned. ----------------------------------------------
16 killed in Dunblane, Scotland -- March 13, 1996:
Thomas Hamilton, 43, killed 16 kindergarten children and their teacher in an elementary school then killed himself. ----------------------------------------------------------------
23 killed in Killeen, Texas -- Oct. 16, 1991:
George Hennard opened fire at a Luby's Cafeteria, killing 23 people before taking his own life. Twenty others were wounded in the attack. ----------------------------------------------------------------
21 killed at San Ysidro, Calif. -- July 18, 1984:
James Oliver Huberty (left), an out-of-work security guard, killed 21 people in a McDonald's restaurant. A police sharpshooter killed Huberty. Seven killed at California State University, Fullerton-- July 12, 1976: ----------------------------------------------------------------
16 killed at the University of Texas at Austin -- Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman opened fire from the clock tower at the University of Texas at Austin, killing 16 people and wounding 31. ------------------------------------------------------
SONG LYRICS BY WHITE "ROLE MODELS"
^Caucasoid "role models"..
Below the white "pacesetters" sing about sex with a cadaver...
Fistf#$Q$ Her Decomposed Cadaver
Digging up her corpse, she is worm infested Badly decomposed, but I take her to my home Stench of rot turns me on and my #@#$K grows rapidly I am so horny, I need to &#^% that dirty wh#@$# I put my @#$@ in her mouth, b#tc@# gives rotted head It feels so good, I slap her pus-filled face Now its time to give her something putrefying .. The taste is incredible, much better than the one that is alive
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Some of us do both remember and appreciate the times back when women artists sold their vocals rather than their bodies....
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