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Originally posted by typeZeiss:
the funny thing about this is, the cops clearly told the retard Zimmerman not to pursue this kid. Yet, we have him going from being in his car, being told NOT to pursue, to being out of the car, on his back yelling for help. It doesn't take anyone with a little common sense to see that Zimmerman was in the wrong here. If he would have just backed off and done what the cops told him to do, this mess wouldn't have happened.

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Originally posted by Omo Baba:
Your cold adapted mind is bugging you for sure if you can't see that this Zimmerman guy is a lunatic with a license to carry.

On April 22, 2011, Zimmerman called to report a black male about “7-9” years old, four feet tall, with a “skinny build” and short black hair. There is no indication in the police report of the reason for Zimmerman’s suspicion of the boy.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/23/did-trayvon-shooter-abuse-911.html

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Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
The batman wanna be dumbo was told not to follow the kid and he did. Now his life as he knows it is over. Even if he doesn't go to prison he's a marked MF.

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Originally posted by Afrolunacy revealed:
[QB] Whether he is lunatic or not is irrelevant. What is relevant are the facts. And as it stands, the facts point to self-defense. You are too emotionally driven to see this.

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Originally posted by Afrolunacy revealed:
I don't agree. Argument can be made from both vantage points. It can be argued that while Zimmerman may have gotten out of his car, Trayvon was the aggressor by charging at him. Getting out of a vehicle does not constitute an act of aggression. Zimmerman contends that he had gotten out but then turned his back to Trayvon, and it was at that point Trayvon became the aggressor, catching Zimmerman by surprise from behind. It would also explain how Zimmerman was on the ground with Trayvon dominating him from on top.

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Originally posted by typeZeiss:
the funny thing about this is, the cops clearly told the retard Zimmerman not to pursue this kid. Yet, we have him going from being in his car, being told NOT to pursue, to being out of the car, on his back yelling for help. It doesn't take anyone with a little common sense to see that Zimmerman was in the wrong here. If he would have just backed off and done what the cops told him to do, this mess wouldn't have happened.

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Originally posted by typeZeiss:
The police told him DO NOT FOLLOW UP.

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but he (Zimmermen) shouldn't have been in that position in the first place.

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Trayvon was on the phone with his girlfriend when this thing started and he told her he felt unsafe.

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According to the law, had Trayvon had a gun he would have had the right to shoot and kill zimmerman.

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Originally posted by Omo Baba:
^You're one loony racist.

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Originally posted by Omo Baba:
^^Duncie, you side stepped this question:

Did the murderer George Zimmerman identified himself to Trayvon as a neighborhood watch?

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Originally posted by Afrolunacy revealed:
Whether he is lunatic or not is irrelevant. What is relevant are the facts. And as it stands, the facts point to self-defense. You are too emotionally driven to see this.

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Originally posted by Omo Baba:
Your cold adapted mind is bugging you for sure if you can't see that this Zimmerman guy is a lunatic with a license to carry.

On April 22, 2011, Zimmerman called to report a black male about “7-9” years old, four feet tall, with a “skinny build” and short black hair. There is no indication in the police report of the reason for Zimmerman’s suspicion of the boy.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/23/did-trayvon-shooter-abuse-911.html

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Originally posted by Omo Baba:
So you think the murderer George Zimmerman "divulged his credentials sometime between getting out of the car and walking away" and then Trayvon Martin attacked him even though he didn't see him until the murderer started following him?


I think you should go and listen to the 911 tapes again.

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Originally posted by Afrolunacy revealed:
Whether he is lunatic or not is irrelevant. What is relevant are the facts. And as it stands, the facts point to self-defense. You are too emotionally driven to see this.

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Originally posted by Omo Baba:
Your cold adapted mind is bugging you for sure if you can't see that this Zimmerman guy is a lunatic with a license to carry.

On April 22, 2011, Zimmerman called to report a black male about “7-9” years old, four feet tall, with a “skinny build” and short black hair. There is no indication in the police report of the reason for Zimmerman’s suspicion of the boy.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/23/did-trayvon-shooter-abuse-911.html

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Imagine someone following you for no reason at all. They then get in your face at start questioning you about where you are going and what you are doing. You feeling threatened "stand your ground" and defend your self against a threat. Trayvon was exercising his legal right to defend himself. Zimmerman, who was in the wrong, used lethal force but under Florida law he should not have engaged Trayvon in the first place.

If Zimmerman gets a good lawyer, he might get a way with what he did. However, this should go to a Jury and be prosecuted and the police did the police department of this county a real disservice by not arresting Zimmerman on the ground of suspicion of manslaughter. It would have been so much simpler to just have arrested this bozo and let the court system decide.

So the problem isn't really about Zimmerman its about the perception of a community that already is maligned against law enforcement.

And Albinos think they created civilization? Please.

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Originally posted by Swenet:
CT already displayed his low IQ, bias and record breaking bigotry when he said Hip Hop is the blame for the whole ordeal, rather than the person who actually pulled the trigger.

Any discussion from here on out is simply wasting your time. Any concession from him (e.g., ''if he didn't identify himself he could be tried for manslaughter'') is only for the public eye, so as to not appear overtly unreasonable.

If I didn't know any better, I'd suspect Zimmerman is CT's butt buddy. Everything Zimmerman did, is open to interpretation (e.g., ''Zimmerman said goons, not coons''), and everything Trayvon did, is potential ammunition to demonize Trayvon, and vindicate Zimmerman (he covered his head with his hoodie, therefore, justifying Zimmerman's pursuit).

Confirming Truth is only being what he is in his very nature; his usual 'I'm-supporting-anything-remotely-white-skinned' low IQ, antagonist self, and no amount of debating is going change that.

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Originally posted by Swenet:
Dumbass, I'm not even debating you, nor was I addressing the nature of your arguments. Do you even know what an ad-hominem attack is? If we're going by your definition, any random critique that contains references to someone's character is a logical fallacy, lol.

Damn, you're dumb as phuck.

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Originally posted by Swenet:
CT already displayed his low IQ, bias and record breaking bigotry when he said Hip Hop is the blame for the whole ordeal, rather than the person who actually pulled the trigger.

Any discussion from here on out is simply wasting your time. Any concession from him (e.g., ''if he didn't identify himself he could be tried for manslaughter'') is only for the public eye, so as to not appear overtly unreasonable.

If I didn't know any better, I'd suspect Zimmerman is CT's butt buddy. Everything Zimmerman did, is open to interpretation (e.g., ''Zimmerman said goons, not coons''), and everything Trayvon did, is potential ammunition to demonize Trayvon, and vindicate Zimmerman (he covered his head with his hoodie, therefore, justifying Zimmerman's pursuit).

Confirming Truth is only being what he is in his very nature; his usual 'I'm-supporting-anything-remotely-white-skinned' low IQ, antagonist self, and no amount of debating is going change that.

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Originally posted by Afrolunacy revealed:
ad hominem attack.

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Originally posted by Swenet:
Dumbass, I'm not even debating you, nor was I addressing the nature of your arguments. Do you even know what an ad-hominem attack is? If we're going by your definition, any random critique that contains references to someone's character is a logical fallacy, lol.

Damn, you're dumb as phuck.

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Originally posted by Swenet:
CT already displayed his low IQ, bias and record breaking bigotry when he said Hip Hop is the blame for the whole ordeal, rather than the person who actually pulled the trigger.

Any discussion from here on out is simply wasting your time. Any concession from him (e.g., ''if he didn't identify himself he could be tried for manslaughter'') is only for the public eye, so as to not appear overtly unreasonable.

If I didn't know any better, I'd suspect Zimmerman is CT's butt buddy. Everything Zimmerman did, is open to interpretation (e.g., ''Zimmerman said goons, not coons''), and everything Trayvon did, is potential ammunition to demonize Trayvon, and vindicate Zimmerman (he covered his head with his hoodie, therefore, justifying Zimmerman's pursuit).

Confirming Truth is only being what he is in his very nature; his usual 'I'm-supporting-anything-remotely-white-skinned' low IQ, antagonist self, and no amount of debating is going change that.

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Originally posted by Afrolunacy revealed:
ad hominem attack.

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Originally posted by Swenet:
Dumbass, I'm not even debating you, nor was I addressing the nature of your arguments. Do you even know what an ad-hominem attack is? If we're going by your definition, any random critique that contains references to someone's character is a logical fallacy, lol.

Damn, you're dumb as phuck.

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Originally posted by Swenet:
CT already displayed his low IQ, bias and record breaking bigotry when he said Hip Hop is the blame for the whole ordeal, rather than the person who actually pulled the trigger.

Any discussion from here on out is simply wasting your time. Any concession from him (e.g., ''if he didn't identify himself he could be tried for manslaughter'') is only for the public eye, so as to not appear overtly unreasonable.

If I didn't know any better, I'd suspect Zimmerman is CT's butt buddy. Everything Zimmerman did, is open to interpretation (e.g., ''Zimmerman said goons, not coons''), and everything Trayvon did, is potential ammunition to demonize Trayvon, and vindicate Zimmerman (he covered his head with his hoodie, therefore, justifying Zimmerman's pursuit).

Confirming Truth is only being what he is in his very nature; his usual 'I'm-supporting-anything-remotely-white-skinned' low IQ, antagonist self, and no amount of debating is going change that.

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No, dumb piece of ****.

Your silly argument that Whitney Houston was unworthy of being honored and celebrated post mortem, simply because she was addicted to drugs, is what is called, an ad-hominem attack. And a very short-sighted one at that, dumb piece of low IQ rat turd.

Do you not know the difference between my critiquing your worthless, cursed, universally hated existence, versus crapping out logical fallacies?

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Originally posted by the lioness:
Whitney Houston was worthy of being honored because she made music that milions of people loved.
That she destroyed her life with drug doen not mean we should hate her and deny the gifts she left us

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Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
 
The ''two decades'' are in reference to the period of when she purportedly was abusing drugs (1992-2012). Combine that with the commonly known, age old observation that she was a diva, and we have captured the essence of your random, uninformative comment.
 

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Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
 
hehehe

you sound really pissed that your 'diva' is dead.

"i make too much cheeze to ever smoke em, pleeeze! crack is wack!" - w.houston

hahahahha
 

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Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
 
kind of hard to have a ''sound'' to me, when all you're getting from me, are typed letters, don't you think? Of course, you're free to delude yourself into thinking I was struck by her passing, if that thought is soothing to you.
 

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Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
 
Kiss my ass!!!!



hahahaha
 

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Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
 
^Came in uninformative, retreated with incoherent mumbo jumbo.
 

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Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
 
Is crack wack?

Object lesson #1:


 

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Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
 

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Originally posted by typeZeiss:
The police told him DO NOT FOLLOW UP.

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The police dispatcher advised him not to follow. He did not order or command him. ZImmerman used his own discretion and judgment to follow Trayvon. There is NOTHING illegal with the decision he made. Idiot.

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but he (Zimmermen) shouldn't have been in that position in the first place.

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Cite the law which states this, asswhipe.

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Trayvon was on the phone with his girlfriend when this thing started and he told her he felt unsafe.

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Trayvon's call to his gf leads up to when Zimmerman exits his vehicle. This would suggest that the interruption to Trayvon's call to his gf is when he charges Zimmerman from behind.

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According to the law, had Trayvon had a gun he would have had the right to shoot and kill zimmerman.

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No, dunce. According to the law, if Trayvon had a gun, he would have been in possession of an illegal firearm. Trayvon was a minor, dunce.

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Originally posted by Afrolunacy revealed: if you listen to the wind in the call it clearly indicates that Martin was the aggressor.

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Posted by Afrolunacy revealed (Member # 19596) on :
 
There are blacks who live in that community. YOU = EPIC FAIL.

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Originally posted by Grumman:
''...he only saw one person, a man in a red shirt — Zimmerman — who was on the ground.''

This person witnessed the incident and only saw one person--who was on the ground.What kind of evidence is that? Where was Trayvon at the time?
Did Zimmerman shoot Trayvon while he, Zimmerman, was on the ground. If this is possible, then how can Zimmerman claim self-defense?

''I don't agree. Argument can be made from both vantage points. It can be argued that while Zimmerman may have gotten out of his car, Trayvon was the aggressor by charging at him.''

Aside from your argumentation purposes, where is the evidence Trayvon attacked Zimmerman first? Zimmerman says so? Since Zimmerman had a bloody nose, according to the police, how can this determine Trayvon was the aggressor? What if Zimmerman shoved the kid first and he retaliated. It may well be Zimmerman underestimated Trayvon defending himself. The fat boy instigated the confrontation by leaving his vehicle and got himself in over his head and ultimately had to rely on his killing instinct to extricate himself from his dilemma--a dilemma that probably could have been resolved with a few returned punches. But no, his killing instinct seized him. He had to kill a Black youth. A ''What are you doing here'' Black youth.

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Originally posted by Grumman:
Afrolunacy revealed says, ''There are blacks who live in that community. YOU = EPIC FAIL.''

Yes I do believe I read in the local newspaper a Black woman giving Zimmerman credit for being a lookout for the neighborhood. And what exactly does this have to do with Zimmerman shooting Trayvon? Is Zimmerman aquitted because Black people live in the neighborhood?

Why are you confusing yourself already?

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Originally posted by Omo Baba:
^This murderer that you're claiming mentor black kids also showcased the worst form of racial profiling.

You and him both can jump off a cliff.

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Originally posted by Afrolunacy revealed:
He did not racial profile. If he is guilty of profiling, it is criminal profile. Most criminals are hooded up when they engage in criminal activity, and that is a fact. You can jump off a cliff.

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Originally posted by Omo Baba:
^This murderer that you're claiming mentor black kids also showcased the worst form of racial profiling.

You and him both can jump off a cliff.

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Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
 

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Originally posted by Afrolunacy revealed:
Your problem is with "stand your ground" not Zimmerman. If you say that the law needs to be repealed then you might have my audience.

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Originally posted by Afrolunacy revealed:
Whether he is lunatic or not is irrelevant. What is relevant are the facts. And as it stands, the facts point to self-defense. You are too emotionally driven to see this.

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Originally posted by Omo Baba:
Your cold adapted mind is bugging you for sure if you can't see that this Zimmerman guy is a lunatic with a license to carry.

On April 22, 2011, Zimmerman called to report a black male about “7-9” years old, four feet tall, with a “skinny build” and short black hair. There is no indication in the police report of the reason for Zimmerman’s suspicion of the boy.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/23/did-trayvon-shooter-abuse-911.html

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Imagine someone following you for no reason at all. They then get in your face at start questioning you about where you are going and what you are doing. You feeling threatened "stand your ground" and defend your self against a threat. Trayvon was exercising his legal right to defend himself. Zimmerman, who was in the wrong, used lethal force but under Florida law he should not have engaged Trayvon in the first place.

If Zimmerman gets a good lawyer, he might get a way with what he did. However, this should go to a Jury and be prosecuted and the police did the police department of this county a real disservice by not arresting Zimmerman on the ground of suspicion of manslaughter. It would have been so much simpler to just have arrested this bozo and let the court system decide.

So the problem isn't really about Zimmerman its about the perception of a community that already is maligned against law enforcement.

And Albinos think they created civilization? Please.

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Stand your ground law doesn't apply it is simply self defense. The question really is about how do you define self defense.

Imagine Zimmerman was actually are robber. He approached Martin and tried to rob him. Martin fights back and almost subdues the would be robber until Zimmerman pulls out a gun and shoots Martin. Can Zimmerman claim self defense? If not, why can't Zimmerman claim self defense if after trying to rob Martin he needed to defend himself from Martin who was now attacking him? Does this sound like an absurdity? The same is true when Zimmerman followed and harassed a teenager and tried to deny Martin his civil rights. Zimmerman was commiting a crime and Martin was defending himself. How can Zimmerman claim self defense? No, he murdered that boy in cold blood.

Neighborhood watch means just that - watch and observe and call the police. It doesn't mean taking the law into your own hands. Zimmerman needs to be made an example of. However, the White police officers, biased socially, made a very bad call. It was a call that clearly meant that civil rights and the constitution doesn't apply to everyone as it should. It means we have a lot of work to do. It also means that us Blacks need to consider militias and organizations that will protect our rights when the police refuse to.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
My two cents on this OFF SUBJECT thread and then I'm out.

To 'facts' a.k.a. Afro-obsessed lunatic who tries to appear objective...

The FACT is, when Zimmerman first confronted the Trayvon whom he suspected of being a criminal and began to interrogate him, Trayvon walked away. As such Trayvon did NOT pose a threat.

The FACT is, instead of just reporting the suspect to the police, Zimmerman played 'hero' by pursuing him in his vehicle and then getting out of his vehicle to confront Trayvon again. This meant Zimmerman was the aggressor here! Now obviously Trayvon was in the wrong to attack Zimmerman (likely because he was annoyed some idiot who questioned him like a criminal earlier had the nerve to stalk him), but it is obvious the kid was unarmed and posed no hostile threat. It was a fist fight plain and simple, and there was no need to shoot the boy.

Now the FACT of this scuffle is made known, I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Zimmerman was more upset that he got his big ass beat by some skinny kid, than he was "fearful" of his life.

The situation is sad indeed. On the one hand you have a young man who lost his life due to some silly hero-play involving profiling, and on the other hand you have the guy who played hero having to live the knowledge that he took the life of boy who was NOT a criminal!

The question now is whether the latter should live his life free or behind bars. I fully support the 'stand your ground' laws, but obviously one does not need to be a lawyer to recognize this is NOT a case of 'stand your ground'.

So the Afro-obsessed black consumed white losers can b|tch and complain all they want. They know damn well that they too would let their negrophobia get the best of them.
 

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Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
 
Zimmerman sustained injury to the back of his head consistent with being sucker punched from behind. This suggests that he was walking away when attacked; this would also mean the pursuit had ended. Zimmerman was screaming for help yet Trayvon continued to beat on him. Why didn't Trayvon stop at that point? Trayvon was also told by a third party (eye-witness who told reporters he saw Zimmerman on the ground screaming for help) to stop but did not. Why didnt he stop?

Fact: Trayvon stood 6'3".
Fact: Trayvon played football.


This is a case of self defense under Stay Your Ground.
 

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This is a case of self defense under Stay Your Ground.

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Trayvon had swung on a bus driver - this may be why he was suspended from school. This kid had a violent streak. Also, he was involved or had affiliation with a petty drug-ring. This information is from his twitter acct. (i will post it up some time tomorrow.) His circle of people is trying to sanitize his history. It does not matter anyway because the facts will come out in court.

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Trayvon defended himself from an attacker

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Not to break away from the groupthink here but how do we know who started the fight?

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The evidence is in the phone call between Trayvon and his girlfriend. We know that Zimmerman approached Trayvon. Trayvon was concerned that he was being followed. The phone call immediately ends when Zimmerman questions Trayvon. We also know that Zimmerman incited the situation by calling Trayvon a Goon or a Coon. Trayvon defended himself what what appeared to be a racially motivated attack.
 

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Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
 
True or not what Zimmerman is likely to say is that Trayvon came at him, had him on the ground and was punching him in the face while on the ground. I don't know what the law is if you can shoot a person under those circumstances, you probably can.


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Group offers $10,000 to ‘capture’ Trayvon Martin’s killer

The new Black Panther Party offered a bounty of $10,000 Saturday for the “capture” of a Florida neighborhood watch captain

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BY TINA MOORE / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/black-panther-rage-10g-capture-trayvon-killer-article-1.1050370#ixzz1qFDyBV7M

The new Black Panther Party offered a bounty of $10,000 Saturday for the “capture” of a Florida neighborhood watch captain who killed unarmed teen Trayvon Martin.

“An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” leader Mikhail Muhammad said after announcing the reward for George Zimmerman at a protest in Sanford, Fla.

Muhammad called on 5,000 black men to mobilize and capture the neighborhood watch volunteer.

“If the government won’t do the job, we’ll do it,” Muhammad said, leading chants that included “freedom or death” and “justice for Trayvon.”

Muhammad said New Black Panther’s chairman, Malik Zulu Shabaz of Washington, was taking donations from black entertainers and athletes.

The group hopes to collect $1 million off the outrage by next week.

New Black Panthers members pointed to what they called the inaction of government officials — from Sanford city officials up to the governor — and accused them of lying and delaying justice.

They also said Angela Corley, the newly appointed special prosecutor, was an enemy of the black community.

“She has a track record of sending innocent young black men and women to prison,” Muhammad said.

The Southern Poverty Law Center calls the New Black Panther Party, a black-separatist group created in 1989, “virulently racist and anti-Semitic.”

Martin, who is African-American, was wearing a hoodie and carrying a pack of Skittles and an ice tea on the night of Feb. 26. He was heading back to his father’s fiance’s townhouse.

Zimmerman, 28, called 911 to report a suspicious person in the gated community and followed the teen despite the dispatcher’s request that he stand down.

Zimmerman said he shot Martin in self-defense. Zimmerman’s family says he is Hispanic and race was not an issue.

A Florida man was also charged Friday with threatening to kill Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee and his family.

Lee temporarily stepped down as chief over the case.

Trayvon’s mom said she was having a hard time realizing that her son’s not coming home, People magazine reported Saturday.

“I look at every door and think, he’s just going to walk through it any minute,” Sybrina Fulton told the magazine.“I just want to see him again, but I can’t.

“He’s in heaven, looking down at me.”


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/black-panther-rage-10g-capture-trayvon-killer-article-1.1050370#ixzz1qFELkJ5X
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
Oh and just to add one more cent before I leave this topic alone...

To the Afro-obsessed, negrophobe, idiot as well as to the lyingass white girl in black face... who claim an anti-white movement based on this slaying.

There is a long and deep historical precedence in America of black males innocent of any wrong doing who are picked off and murdered by whites, usually for sport. Since the end of post Civil-War Reconstruction (1877) to before the Civil Rights movement of the 60s, there are an estimated thousands to perhaps tens of thousands of unsolved murders and disappearances of young black men at the hands of white males. It is this historical precedence that fuels the anger and fury the black community has to any slaying of a black youth.

It is also this historical precedence that many whites seem to be ignorant of and why they don't understand the so-called 'animosity' towards whites who kill blacks whatever justification may be involved.
 

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Not to break away from the groupthink here but how do we know who started the fight?

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The evidence is in the phone call between Trayvon and his girlfriend. We know that Zimmerman approached Trayvon. Trayvon was concerned that he was being followed. The phone call immediately ends when Zimmerman questions Trayvon. We also know that Zimmerman incited the situation by calling Trayvon a Goon or a Coon. Trayvon defended himself what what appeared to be a racially motivated attack.

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Oh and just to add one more cent before I leave this topic alone...

To the Afro-obsessed, negrophobe, idiot as well as to the lyingass white girl in black face... who claim an anti-white movement based on this slaying.

There is a long and deep historical precedence in America of black males innocent of any wrong doing who are picked off and murdered by whites, usually for sport. Since the end of post Civil-War Reconstruction (1877) to before the Civil Rights movement of the 60s, there are an estimated thousands to perhaps tens of thousands of unsolved murders and disappearances of young black men at the hands of white males. It is this historical precedence that fuels the anger and fury the black community has to any slaying of a black youth.

It is also this historical precedence that many whites seem to be ignorant of and why they don't understand the so-called 'animosity' towards whites who kill blacks whatever justification may be involved.

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The evidence is in the phone call between Trayvon and his girlfriend. We know that Zimmerman approached Trayvon. Trayvon was concerned that he was being followed. The phone call immediately ends when Zimmerman questions Trayvon. We also know that Zimmerman incited the situation by calling Trayvon a Goon or a Coon. Trayvon defended himself what what appeared to be a racially motivated attack.

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Yes it could certainly be said Zimmerman went looking for "trouble". But who started the physical fight, the phone call doesn't prove anything either way. Martin could've jumped Zimmerman thinking he was the thief, or Zimmerman could have tried to apprehend Martin. To use the phone call as evidence for who started the fight (threw the first blow) is as lunatic as Afrolunacy, hence his name.

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You just qualified "fight". Fights do not have to be physical to be started. The rudeness of Zimmerman started the fight. That evidence is in the phone call. What business did Zimmerman have following or questioning Trayvon? It is this disrespect that caused the fight. However, it was just a fight from the point of view of a teenager. Teenagers get into fight all the time. If we allow Zimmerman to be free on this then it means our laws allow for the Wild West type lunacy of whoever gets to their gun first in a fight.

Think of a road rage analogy. Do you get to shot a person because they punched after a road rage incident? Is that the meaning of self defense? You run into the back of someone and they get out and deck you. Do you get to shot them?

I have seen a lot of street fights and been in quite a few and I cannot believe the law allows you to shot people in those situations. If that is the case then our gangs should be allowed to shot each other all the time!

This is plain stupid.
 

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Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
 
The Stand your ground law allows for the person to meet force with force to repel the threat. There is no provision for restrictions to the force used in the law, which means ANY threat can be met with DEADLY force. If you are being pummeled you can use deadly force. Blacks are up in arms over this because black youths are the primary source of violence on Whites. Just visit social mediums like Youtube or WorldStarHiphop.com to see this. Blacks are in fear of what lies ahead -young Negro males dropping like flies

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Originally posted by the lioness:
True or not what Zimmerman is likely to say is that Trayvon came at him, had him on the ground and was punching him in the face while on the ground. I don't know what the law is if you can shoot a person under those circumstances, you probably can.

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Originally posted by osirion:

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Originally posted by anguishofbeing:

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Originally posted by osirion:

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Originally posted by anguishofbeing:

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Trayvon defended himself from an attacker

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Not to break away from the groupthink here but how do we know who started the fight?

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The evidence is in the phone call between Trayvon and his girlfriend. We know that Zimmerman approached Trayvon. Trayvon was concerned that he was being followed. The phone call immediately ends when Zimmerman questions Trayvon. We also know that Zimmerman incited the situation by calling Trayvon a Goon or a Coon. Trayvon defended himself what what appeared to be a racially motivated attack.

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Yes it could certainly be said Zimmerman went looking for "trouble". But who started the physical fight, the phone call doesn't prove anything either way. Martin could've jumped Zimmerman thinking he was the thief, or Zimmerman could have tried to apprehend Martin. To use the phone call as evidence for who started the fight (threw the first blow) is as lunatic as Afrolunacy, hence his name.

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You just qualified "fight". Fights do not have to be physical to be started. The rudeness of Zimmerman started the fight. That evidence is in the phone call. What business did Zimmerman have following or questioning Trayvon? It is this disrespect that caused the fight. However, it was just a fight from the point of view of a teenager. Teenagers get into fight all the time. If we allow Zimmerman to be free on this then it means our laws allow for the Wild West type lunacy of whoever gets to their gun first in a fight.

Think of a road rage analogy. Do you get to shot a person because they punched after a road rage incident? Is that the meaning of self defense? You run into the back of someone and they get out and deck you. Do you get to shot them?

I have seen a lot of street fights and been in quite a few and I cannot believe the law allows you to shot people in those situations. If that is the case then our gangs should be allowed to shot each other all the time!

This is plain stupid.

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Logic: If you can shot me because I beat you in a fight defending myself

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Originally posted by osirion:
According to Martin's girlfriend, Martin was trying to elude Zimmerman.

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Originally posted by the lyinass:

I never said any of this was not true. I understand where the animosity comes from.

On the other hand, unfortunatley the media supports our choice to portray ourselves as sexy gangsters, criminals. We feed into it and make it our identity and that has consequences
and when I say "our" I don't mean you

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LMAO

B|tch who you fooling?! We all know you're a white girl playing black on the internet! LOL at "our"!
 

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Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
 
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh5rxSNk1LcsFpqk6o
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by ausar:

I ask everybody not to be judgmental on my following statement but you have to live in Florida to understand the need for the ''stand your ground law''. Most of the people in Florida black or white are poor and reckless. Go to cities in Central Florida or southern Florida you will discover some of the worst homicide rates per capita. Due to the poor zoning in Florida even if you have some money its hard to escape bad neighborhoods. The public school systems are also some of the worst and if you happen to be a nerdy kid who values education you are beat up regularly unless you are fortunate enough to go to private school.


Have you heard the stories about tourists getting shoot and robbed by making the wrong turn in Orlando and south Florida?

This does not excuse what Zimmerman did but I add this little history to help people understand the need for the stand your ground law. Florida is great for the wealthy who can afford to get away from the trailer parks and ghettos.

Some of the highest homicide rates: Jacksonville, West Palm Beach, Orlando, Fort Lauderdale,Opa Locka, and other parts of Miami. Most of these areas are functional ghetto cities or even like third-world countries as in Rio or vera Cruz.

Some of these bad areas have upper middle class developments about 3 blocks away from housing developments.

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I used to live in Florida. I know exactly what you mean. I still have friends and relatives there, and it seems it's gotten worse since I left.
 

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Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
 
That is absolute BS that some big Mexican guy needs to use his gun to subdue a 150 Black kid.

He is a liar.
 

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Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
 
^ What Mexican...no Mexicans involved in this....a Black unarmed youth was murdered by a yte man who's mother is Peruvian and father is yte....

*keeping the facts straight here, nothing more nor less ok!*
 

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Posted by ausar (Member # 1797) on :
 
Actually according to the stand your ground law both are justified but one took it too far. If the stories are true Trayvon was not justified to repeatedly hit the man over and over but he was justified to use his fist if he felt threatened. Using Zimmerman's age as a defense is not adequate as he was a desk jockey with a poor physique. Trayvon was a skinny yet muscular athelete.
 

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Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
 
You are wrong, ausar. SYG ended for Trayvon who, initially, was the victim, when he followed Zimmerman from behind and confronted him to then sucker punch him. At that point, he became the aggressor. You stand your ground at the place of confrontation or you are chased to. Trayvon left the place where he was confronted, and followed Zimmerman as he walked back to his vehicle. Had Trayvon swung on Zimmerman when he was initially confronted, then would SYG be applicable.

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Originally posted by ausar:
Actually according to the stand your ground law both are justified but one took it too far. If the stories are true Trayvon was not justified to repeatedly hit the man over and over but he was justified to use his fist if he felt threatened. Using Zimmerman's age as a defense is not adequate as he was a desk jockey with a poor physique. Trayvon was a skinny yet muscular athelete.

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Originally posted by the lioness:

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Originally posted by osirion:
According to Martin's girlfriend, Martin was trying to elude Zimmerman.

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she knows nothing she wasn't there

Zimmerman is likely to claim he was on the ground being punched in the face over and over again while on the ground, crying for help not just that he was mad because he lost a standing up fist fight

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Originally posted by ausar:
Actually according to the stand your ground law both are justified but one took it too far. If the stories are true Trayvon was not justified to repeatedly hit the man over and over but he was justified to use his fist if he felt threatened. Using Zimmerman's age as a defense is not adequate as he was a desk jockey with a poor physique. Trayvon was a skinny yet muscular athelete.

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Originally posted by osirion:
She is a witness.

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Originally posted by the lioness:
This is what is going to happen. Zimmerman, who may be heavy but may also be out of shape, is going to say that the athletic Trayvon attacked him, knocked him to the ground and then was on top of him punching him in the face, breaking his nose and continuing to punch. He will say that he cried out for help and the male witness will support this. He will say when he was on the ground he pulled out his gun and shot him. The woman witness only saw what happened afterwards, she says the Trayvon was on the ground shot and Zimmerman wasn't trying to help him. It makes me very sad thinking about it.

What really happened? I don't know but it seems like Zimmerman is probably going to have a strong self defence argument regardless of if he tried to help Trayvon after he was shot.

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Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
"Some of the students dropped their IDs on the way out of the store, police said, so investigators have an idea of who was inside."

dumb fuking kids. lol

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Originally posted by facts:
They are going to hang Zimmerman, innocent or not. The stakes are too damn high now. Negroes are going ape shyt already!! The boons are getting out of control and this time they have their sights on White hoods.

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Originally posted by the lioness:
This is what is going to happen. Zimmerman, who may be heavy but may also be out of shape, is going to say that the athletic Trayvon attacked him, knocked him to the ground and then was on top of him punching him in the face, breaking his nose and continuing to punch. He will say that he cried out for help and the male witness will support this. He will say when he was on the ground he pulled out his gun and shot him. The woman witness only saw what happened afterwards, she says the Trayvon was on the ground shot and Zimmerman wasn't trying to help him. It makes me very sad thinking about it.

What really happened? I don't know but it seems like Zimmerman is probably going to have a strong self defence argument regardless of if he tried to help Trayvon after he was shot.

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Originally posted by the lioness:
watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/user/BLACKNEWS101

Despite the perspective of the video maker the footage through most of the video in NY is of protestors many of whom are white. My predicition is that because of this race riots will not occur in NYC. I could be wrong. But something may happen in Florida

Trayvon is dead so the story will be told by Zimmerman, Suppose he tells it like I described before, how are they going to make a manslaughter charge stick?

The media presented the case like it was cut and dry and people soon formed a political agenda from the simplification.
It's complex because nobody knows what really happened. You just see the innocent looking smiling kid and the unhappy looking Zimmerman. This is how news is sold.

Now activists have already invested in the issue and will look bad if they can't finish what they started. Counting one's eggs before they are hatched

The next Rodney King but with a black president? I don't know. who can predict this stuff?

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Originally posted by osirion:
No, I now understand this at another level. The police talked this over and decided to politicize the issue by not releasing the facts. Wait for Blacks to become infuriated and even get the president to open his big mouth about it. Then those same, very smart Republican officers start to release evidence slowly. This isn't a case of social bias, it is a case of manipulating society via our social bisaes.

Very clever really.

Arresting Zimmerman would be a waste of tax payers dollars. He has to live with this shame in a very public life. His life is detroyed enough.

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Originally posted by facts:
You are wrong, ausar. SYG ended for Trayvon who, initially, was the victim, when he followed Zimmerman from behind and confronted him to then sucker punch him. At that point, he became the aggressor. You stand your ground at the place of confrontation or chased to. Trayvon left the place where he was confronted, and followed Zimmerman as he walked back to his vehicle. Had Trayvon swung on Zimmerman when he was initially confronted, then would SYG be applicable.

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Originally posted by ausar:
Actually according to the stand your ground law both are justified but one took it too far. If the stories are true Trayvon was not justified to repeatedly hit the man over and over but he was justified to use his fist if he felt threatened. Using Zimmerman's age as a defense is not adequate as he was a desk jockey with a poor physique. Trayvon was a skinny yet muscular athelete.

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Is that Zimmerman talking or his lawyer? If Zimerman would not have gone into hiding and would have come out with his side of the story then he may have won over supporters. As it is, not only was the shooting of Martin cowardly but the cowardice continues as he hides by legal counsel.
 

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Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
 
Uh, what would you do if you have a bounty on your head? Walk out in the open?

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Originally posted by osirion:
Is that Zimmerman talking or his lawyer? If Zimerman would not have gone into hiding and would have come out with his side of the story then he may have won over supporters. As it is, not only was the shooting of Martin cowardly but the cowardice continues as he hides by legal counsel.

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Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
 
Wow, the bandwagon continues. I could understand real disadvantaged poor folk trapped in cycle of poverty, but a negro hollywood multimillionaire actor who made his millions as an actor (first as a negro sambo clown, then as a slick black intelligence officer in antebellum south, a patriotic soldier fighting dread locked "aliens") always grinning on the "red carpet" etc etc...? Yeh America sure sucks "big will"!!!! lol

Who next? Ice Cube? Remember his lynch mob anti-American protest radical music in late 80s/90s, then his "god bless America" movies. HAHAHAH
 

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Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
 
taken from cnn.com:

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Mary Cutcher was in her kitchen making coffee that night with her roommate, Selma Mora Lamilla. The window was open, she said.

"We heard a whining. Not like a crying, boohoo, but like a whining, someone in distress, and then the gunshot," she said.

They looked out the window but saw nothing. It was dark.

They ran out the sliding glass door, and within seconds, they saw Zimmerman.

"Zimmerman was standing over the body with -- basically straddling the body with his hands on Trayvon's back," Cutcher said. "And it didn't seem to me that he was trying to help him in any way. I didn't hear any struggle prior to the gunshot.

"And I feel like it was Trayvon Martin that was crying out, because the minute that the gunshot went off, the whining stopped."

The two women said they could not see whether Zimmerman was bruised or hurt. It was too dark.

"Selma asked him three times, 'what's going on over there?' " Cutcher said. "He looks back and doesn't say anything. She asks him again, 'everything OK? What's going on?' Same thing: looked at us, looked back. Finally, the third time, he said, 'just call the police.' "

Another resident who identified himself as John contradicted Cutcher's account. He remembered Martin being on top of Zimmerman.

He told the Orlando TV station WOFL that a guy wearing red yelled to him, "Help! Help!"

"I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said. "And then when I got upstairs and looked down, the person that was on top beating up the other guy was the one laying in the grass. I believe he was dead at that point."

Martin's girlfriend

Benjamin Crump, the Martin family lawyer, says Martin's girlfriend's account of what happened connects the dots and destroys Zimmerman's claims of self-defense.

The girl, who did not want to be identified, said she was on the phone with the teen before the shooting.

When Zimmerman got closer to Martin, she told her boyfriend to run, but Martin told her that he was not going to run, she said.

"What are you stopping me for?" Martin asked Zimmerman, according to the girl.

"What are you doing around here?" Zimmerman asked in response.

The girl said she then got the impression that an altercation was taking place and that someone had pushed Martin, because the headset fell out of his ear, and the phone shut off.

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Originally posted by Djehuti:

There is a long and deep historical precedence in America of black males innocent of any wrong doing who are picked off and murdered by whites, usually for sport. Since the end of post Civil-War Reconstruction (1877) to before the Civil Rights movement of the 60s, there are an estimated thousands to perhaps tens of thousands of unsolved murders and disappearances of young black men at the hands of white males. It is this historical precedence that fuels the anger and fury the black community has to any slaying of a black youth.

It is also this historical precedence that many whites seem to be ignorant ...

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Originally posted by facts:
Uh, what would you do if you have a bounty on your head? Walk out in the open?

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Originally posted by osirion:
Is that Zimmerman talking or his lawyer? If Zimerman would not have gone into hiding and would have come out with his side of the story then he may have won over supporters. As it is, not only was the shooting of Martin cowardly but the cowardice continues as he hides by legal counsel.

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I would hold a press conference and give my side of the story with the hope that people understood that I was in the right. I would explain my injuries and describe the fight and the attack.

A bounty on his head is because of his cowardice.
 

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Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
 
You sound really naive. I don't think that would have changed anything re the protests and opportunists taking advantage of this. His side of the story is coming out anyway, plus the so-called leaks re Martin's past and you have to admit it does paint a "complicated" picture.
 

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Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
 
Looks like the polic are going to have to explain the unbruised and apparently unruffled look of Zimmerman on their own police cameras.

Can I say - busted!!
 

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Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
 


http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/police-surveillance-video-of-zimmerman-may-show-head-injury/

Were you saying something?

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Originally posted by osirion:
Looks like the polic are going to have to explain the unbruised and apparently unruffled look of Zimmerman on their own police cameras.

Can I say - busted!!

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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
 
Here are the Facts!

















Neighbor #1, male - Call begins 4:12

Police … I just heard a shot right behind my house. [4:14] They’re wrestling right in the back of my porch.


911 dispatcher:

You just heard one shot go off?

Neighbor:

It was either that or a rock at the window, I don’t know, the guy’s yelling “help” and I’m not going outside. [4:34]

911 dispatcher:

OK, you hear someone yelling for help?

Neighbor:

Um, I’m pretty sure the guy’s dead out here – holy sh*t! [5:03]

911 dispatcher:

OK, we have several people calling in also. Anything else that you heard?

Neighbor:

Uh, no. A guy yelling “help.” Oh, my God! Um, there’s a guy with a flashlight in the backyard now. I think there’s flashlights, and there’s a guy – I don’t know if that’s a cop.

911 dispatcher:

OK, we’ve had several calls in. Are you sure you heard voices? Was there just one …

Neighbor:

There’s two guys. There’s two guys in the backyard with flashlights and there’s a black guy down and it looks like he’s been shot and he’s dead. He’s laying and there’s multiple people calling. [5:50]

911 dispatcher:

OK, I have several officers going there, OK? Thank you. Bye.

Neighbor:

Bye.

Ends 6:00

Neighbor #2, Female - Call begins 6:01

911 dispatcher:

911 police, fire, and medical.

Neighbor:

Um, maybe both, I’m not sure. There’s just someone screaming outside [screaming could be heard – 6:15]

911 dispatcher:

OK, what’s the address they’re near?

Neighbor:

[Address omitted]

911 dispatcher:

OK, is it a male or female?

Neighbor:

It sounds like a male.

911 dispatcher:

And you don’t know why?

Neighbor:

I don’t know why. I think they’re yelling “help” but I don’t know. [6:32] Just send someone please, crap.

911 dispatcher:

Does he look hurt to you?

Neighbor:

I can’t see him and I don’t want to go out there, I don’t know what’s going on. [Screams could be heard – 6:47]

911 dispatcher:

Do you think he’s yelling “help”?

Neighbor:

Yes.

911 dispatcher:

Alright [inaudible]

Neighbor:

Just … there’s gunshots [6:55]

911 dispatcher:

You just heard gunshots?

Click here to hear gunshot [at 0.45]

Neighbor:

Yes.

911 dispatcher:

How many?

Neighbor:

Just one … [Speaks to someone in the room][ 7:05]

911 dispatcher:

[Inaudible] – possibly: Is someone bleeding?

Neighbor:

I don’t know. [Speaks to someone in the room]

911 dispatcher:

Alright, is he right outside?

Neighbor:

Yeah, pretty much out the back deck [7:25]

911 dispatcher:

Is he in front of it or behind that?

Neighbor:

He’s behind my house. [Stay away from the windows.]

911 dispatcher:

I don’t hear him yelling anymore. Do you hear anything? [7:34]

Neighbor:

No, I don’t because I’m hiding upstairs because there was a gunshot right outside our house. You obviously sent someone, right?

911 dispatcher:

Yes they’ve been dispatched. What’s your name and phone number?

Neighbor:

My name is [edited] my phone number is [edited.]

911 dispatcher:

How do you spell your last name?

Neighbor:

[Edited.]

911 dispatcher:

Do you hear any vehicles leaving or anyone else? Do you hear anything?

Neighbor:

There’s people out there and I don’t want to go down there. [8:14]

911 dispatcher:

Multiple people are yelling now?

Neighbor:

Yeah. [8:20]

911 dispatcher:

OK – we do have officers on the way. Call us back if you do hear or see anything suspicious like any vehicles leaving or anything like that, OK?

Neighbor:

OK.

911 dispatcher:

Alright, thank you. Bye.

Ends 8:44

Neighbor #3, female - Call begins 8:45

911 dispatcher:

What is your emergency – police, fire, or medical?

Neighbor:

Police please.

911 dispatcher:

For what address or [inaudible]

Neighbor:

I’m at [edited] – there’s someone screaming outside.

911 dispatcher:

Is it where you’re at?

Neighbor:

Yes, I heard a gunshot – hurry up.

911 dispatcher:

OK.

Neighbor:

Some just [inaudible]

911 dispatcher:

Do you see anybody? I don’t need you to go outside.

Neighbor:

There’s someone screaming – I just heard gunshots [caller frantic] [9:17]

911 dispatcher:

OK. Do you see anything? I don’t need you to go outside but do you see anything? Do you hear squealing of tires, anything?

Neighbor:

Hurry up, they’re right outside my house.

911 dispatcher:

OK. We are sending someone. Are you in Sanford?

Neighbor:

Yes.

911 dispatcher:

What is your name?

Neighbor:

I see a person now. [9:47]

911 dispatcher:

What is your address? [Asks neighbor to spell name and address] – asks How old are you?

Neighbor:

I’m 40.

911 dispatcher:

OK, do you see the officer?

Neighbor:

Yeah, but like, it’s behind my house – it’s not the front entrance, it’s near – oh my God.

911 dispatcher:

Near what? Tell me so I can tell them.

Neighbor:

Like, if you’re looking at my house it’s behind, by my back porch.

911 dispatcher:

OK – coming from behind your house?

Neighbor:

Yes, by the back porch.

911 dispatcher:

OK, stay on the line with me and update me. Did you see anything at all or did you just hear screaming?

Neighbor:

I just heard screaming and gun shots.

911 dispatcher:

OK. We have an officer there. Did you hear anymore gunshots?

Neighbor:

No, I don’t hear any more.

911 dispatcher:

So it’s one gunshot you heard?

Neighbor:

Yes.

911 dispatcher:

OK.

Neighbor:

Hurry up, hurry up. Hurry.

911 dispatcher:

There’s officers out there. If anything changes give us a call back but we do have several officers there. One officer is there, OK?

Neighbor:

Do they see anything?

911 dispatcher:

I’m not sure m’am. I just show that he’s there and that two other officers are on their way. OK? If anything changes or you hear any more give us a call back. Because as far as you know it’s coming from behind your house near your back porch area?

Neighbor:

Yes.

911 dispatcher:

When you heard the screaming, did you hear screaming of a female or of a male? [11:37]

Neighbor:

A male. [11:40]

911 dispatcher:

OK, so when you heard screaming it was a male screaming?

Neighbor:

Yes.

911 dispatcher:

OK.

Neighbor:


Oh, my God! The guy on top has a white t-shirt. [11:51]

911 dispatcher:

What do you mean guy on top? Did you see a fight? [11:59]

Neighbor:

I don’t know. I just looked out my window and the guy on top has a white t-shirt.

911 dispatcher:

A white t-shirt. Did you see what kind of pants?

Neighbor:

No.

911 dispatcher:

OK, he’s on top of what?

Neighbor:

I couldn’t see the other thing. I couldn’t see the person he was on. [12:16]

911 dispatcher:

But he’s on top of a person? [12:18]

Neighbor:

Uh, huh.

911 dispatcher:

OK, is he, the guy with the white t-shirt, did he get up and run?

Neighbor:

I don’t know – I came to the phone and called you. [12:29]

911 dispatcher:

OK. Was he White, Black, or Hispanic when you saw him?

Neighbor:

I couldn’t tell, it was completely dark.

911 dispatcher:

OK. Well, we have several units in route, OK?

Neighbor:

OK.

911 dispatcher:

Thank you, bye.

Ends 12:49

Neighbor #4, female - Call begins 12:50

911 dispatcher:

Fire, police, or medical?

Neighbor:

This is 911, correct?

911 dispatcher:

Correct. You need police, fire, or medical?

Neighbor:

I’m sorry, police or medical. I don’t know Ma’am. I’m at [edited] and someone’s yelling two doors down from me, screaming, hollering ‘help, help, help.’ There’s an elderly man that lives down here. I don’t know what happened and then I thought I heard like a gunshot inside. I don’t know – so probably ambulance.

911 dispatcher:

OK, how many shots did you hear?

Neighbor:

One. [12:22]

911 dispatcher:

How long ago was this shot?

Neighbor:

Just like, I just heard it. When I heard that I picked up the phone and called you. [13:29]

911 dispatcher:

Before calling 911?

Neighbor:

Yes, Ma’am.

911 dispatcher:

Is it coming from [edited].

Neighbor:

No, I live [edited] and I’m inside by my large sliding glass door and there’s somebody out in the back porch, I mean, two doors down there’s an elderly man that lives there. Somebody walking around with a flashlight. I don’t know who it is. Maybe the police are already here, I don’t know because someone’s out there with a flashlight. And I did hear something …

911 dispatcher:

Yes, they should have units that are there – wait one second.

Neighbor:

Oh, my God.

911 dispatcher:

And the screaming – was it a male or a female that you heard? [14:22]

Neighbor:

It sounded to me like a male, OK, and what I know is this neighbor since I’ve been here four years, there’s an elderly man that lives like 1, 2, 3, 4 doors down north of me. And I’m inside.

911 dispatcher:

Do you think it’s coming from your area not [inaudible].

Neighbor:

I really don’t know because I’m not outside Ma’am. But I’m sitting by my back sliding glass door. There's someone out there right now. I don’t see anything but their flashlights shining around.

But I did hear someone yelling ‘help, help, help’ or something like that. Oh my God or something, and then moaning and then I heard a “boom” and I picked up the phone and I called.

911 dispatcher:

OK, so did you see or hear anything else like a vehicle leaving?

Neighbor:

No, Ma’am because I’m in the back, and the back is like there’s just a walkway, there’s no – I mean if somebody was in the front in a car, I don’t know. But as far as the back here I did not hear any kind of vehicle, no.

911 dispatcher:

And what was your name?

Neighbor:

[Edited]. Boy, it was scary.

911 dispatcher:

And your phone number, is it [inaudible].

Neighbor:

Yes, Ma’am. There’s still somebody walking around with flashlights back there.

911 dispatcher:

It might be an officer, I’m showing there should be one on scene.

Neighbor:

OK, all I can see is lights shining back and forth, which I don’t see a person walking or anything. I just see a light so …

911 dispatcher:

Yes, it could be officers.

Neighbor:

Alright, thank you.

911 dispatcher:

No problem, Ma’am. Thank you.

Ends 16:05

Neighbor #5, female - Call begins 16:13


911 dispatcher:

911 – police, fire, or medical?

Neighbor:

Medical.

911 dispatcher:

What location are you at?

Neighbor:

I think someone’s been shot.

911 dispatcher:

Where at?

Neighbor:

Oh, my God!

911 dispatcher:

Where? [Inaudible] Why do you think someone’s been shot?

Neighbor:

Because they’re out in the backyard and a gun just went off and they said call 911. Now there’s people coming with flashlights. Get inside, get inside, get inside (sounds like she’s talking to her kids.)

911 dispatcher:

You said it’s in the backyard?

Neighbor:

Yes, in the backyard. Yeah.

911 dispatcher:

Is there someone laying in the backyard?

Neighbor:

Yeah, and there’s people around them now. Get inside, [name ommitted].

911 dispatcher:

Do you know if it’s kids?

Neighbor:

No, [talks to someone else then says] it’s a black guy

911 dispatcher:

We’ve got units on the way. What do you mean it’s a black guy – that got shot?

Neighbor:

I don’t know. “[Name ommitted], is it the black guy that got shot?” [17:24]

I see a black guy standing up.

911 dispatcher:

There’s a black male standing?

Neighbor:

Yeah, and there’s people coming out with uh, let me go upstairs and look out my window.

911 dispatcher:

Can you tell me what the guy’s wearing?

Neighbor:

Police are here. I think someone else called 911.

911 dispatcher:

It looks like they did. OK, you do see officers out there with that guy?

Neighbor:

I think that’s the black guy that I see.

911 dispatcher:

OK thanks. Bye. 

Ends 18:11

Neighbor #6, female - Call begins 18:12

911 dispatcher:

911 – police, fire, or medical?

Neighbor:

I’m looking out my deck of my townhome and I heard someone screaming “help” and I don’t know, I heard like a bang. [18:18]

911 dispatcher:

Now you say you live at [edited]

Neighbor:

My townhome. Yes, I’m looking out my window of my backyard and someone is yelling and screaming “help” and I heard a pop noise and they’re both still out there right now and I don’t know what’s going on. [18:43]

911 dispatcher:

You’re not the only person that’s calling. We already have one officer on the scene and others on the way …

Neighbor:

Oh, good. Oh, my God! I see the person right now. I see him like walking. There’s a man coming out … there’s people coming out with flashlights [18:56]. Oh, my God! I don’t know what he did to this person. I can’t see, there’s a man walking with a flashlight right now.

911 dispatcher:

Dispatcher tries to talk, she talks over him and asks was it a male or a female voice that was screaming. [19:11]

Neighbor:

I guess a man, I don’t know. The man is up right now and someone’s coming over. I’m glad other people called. [19:19]

911 dispatcher:

Alright, we should be out there right now.

Neighbor:

I can open my window and hear it if you want me to. [19:27]

911 dispatcher:

You can still hear it?

Neighbor:

I’m looking out my window. Somebody’s over there taking a flashlight. I don’t know what’s happening. Someone’s on the ground. [19:37]

911 dispatcher:

You see someone laying on the ground?

Neighbor:

I think someone’s been shot. I don’t know what’s going on. [19:42]

911 dispatcher:

Calm down, stay on the line with me. Like I said, we have an officer on the scene.

Neighbor:

Oh, my God, they better hurry up. I don’t know if someone’s dead on the ground or something. Oh, my God! [19:52] 

911 dispatcher:

Are they laying down?

Neighbor:

I can see out my back window and there’s a sidewalk and grass and stuff. [Inaudible] There’s a man who’s out there with a flashlight with a man who’s been wrestling … [20:14]

911 dispatcher:

Is this person laying down in the street?

Neighbor:

No, you can see from my back window – people are coming over. [20:24]

911 dispatcher:

So is the person you see laying down, laying down in the street or in the grass?

Neighbor:

On the grass. Oh, my God. People are coming, there’s another gentleman with a flashlight. I don’t know if they’re police or not. Oh, my God, he’s shot, he shot the person. He said he shot the person.

911 dispatcher:

Who is saying they shot who?

Neighbor:

The people out there – um – a guy is waving his hands up saying he shot a person. I can see a police officer that’s with him right now. Oh, my God [inaudible]. [20:57]

911 dispatcher:

The dispatcher tells the caller police will handle the situation from here.

Neighbor:

Very distraught, says she can’t believe somebody’s been killed.

911 dispatcher:

Listen, we don’t know if they’ve been killed. We know they’ve been probably … [21:22]

Neighbor:

Frantic – no, he’s dead laying on the ground.

911 dispatcher:

Just because he’s laying on the ground …

Neighbor:

Oh, my God!

911 dispatcher:

Just because he’s laying on the ground doesn’t mean he’s passed. We have an ambulance on the way as well. [21:32] We’re probably going to pick him up and take him to the hospital.

Neighbor:

I didn’t see it because it was too dark and I just heard people screaming ‘help me, help me.’ And this person shot him. He was like wrestling with him, you know what I mean? On the ground, from what I could see, it was very dark. [21:47]

[She says she doesn’t want to be a witness initially, later says she’ll talk to police.]

911 dispatcher:

OK I’ll leave you as anonymous.

Neighbor:

I’m just scared. I can’t even believe … this is another person … Oh, my God, I hope [inaudible] this young boy. I’ve never seen anyone killed. This is like a nice neighborhood, this is like, you know, Oh, my God. I don’t want – I’m too scared to live here. [22:28]

911 dispatcher:

You don’t have to worry right now. We have many officers on the way and at least two officers on the scene now. So we are on scene, OK?

Neighbor:

Oh, my God. To see someone killed laying on the grass. Oh, my God. I want to know what happened. I want to know why would this man …

911 dispatcher:

Once the incident calms down a little bit you can probably try to ask one of the officers what’s going on. But in the meantime it’s probably best …

Neighbor:

Oh, my God. Here comes another police officer. It’s right outside my window. I mean, it’s like two feet [inaudible] and 10 feet from my window. [23:07] Oh, my God. Why would somebody kill someone like that.

911 dispatcher:

Of course we’re not going to know the details …

Neighbor:

Oh, I can’t look. I mean, the officer’s shining the light on the person – he killed someone. Oh, my God! Oh, my God! [23:29]

911 dispatcher:

Did you hear or see anything else suspicious before you heard …

Neighbor:

No, I was watching my TV [inaudible] my back window and I heard people talking out there and I was kind of like ‘oh, gosh, with the pouring rain, why would they be outside. I figured walking their dog or something. And then I heard more talking voices and I didn’t open my window and then I just, it looked like I saw two men talking to each other. It looked like they were wrestling each other and then I heard the man saying ‘help, help’ [24:04]  

I mean, I would have helped if I could have. He’s walking … the police officer’s bringing the person away that someone …

911 dispatcher:

Alright, stay inside your house for the time being. Once this thing calms down a little bit …

Neighbor:

Oh, God, I mean they’re looking at the person that’s dead … [very distraught – 24:29]

911 dispatcher:

You’re very emotional. You may want to step away from the window for the time being.

Neighbor:

[The dispatcher and neighbor discuss her calling friend or family to be with her – she’s extremely distraught.]

911 dispatcher:

Right now the best thing to do is probably stay inside. It’s probably going to just make you emotional looking out the window. You should probably walk away for now.

Neighbor:

I just can’t believe it, I wish I could have done something for the person.

911 dispatcher:

From what I can see, we possibly have the person that’s responsible so you don’t have to sorry about that for now.

Neighbor:

Yes, I know, but when someone yells for help, you wish you could have helped them. You know? I mean, I don’t have a gun or anything but … I am sorry but …

911 dispatcher:

That’s OK …

Neighbor:

I never – I can’t believe, I could never even imagine anything like this where I live, you know.

911 dispatcher:

Hindsight is always 20/20. The whole thing happened too quickly. I mean, you weren’t the only one that heard. Like I said earlier, a lot of other people called about it in your neighborhood.

Neighbor:

I mean, the people that like are back there, their porches are right there. They were probably like three feet. They could have ran out and helped the person, you know.

911 dispatcher:

Honestly, calling 911 is the best way to help this man, especially to get the ambulance rolling out there as fast as we could.

Neighbor:

OK, so people called even before I did?

911 dispatcher:

Yeah, we got a bunch of calls all at once so trust me, a lot of people in your area called in and an ambulance was rolling right away. Police as well. Right now I can tell you police might be out there for a while since they’re investigating a serious crime.

Neighbor:

Should I stay here or should I go down there and say anything? [26:53]

911 dispatcher:

For now you might just want to stay in your house and wait for things to calm down a little bit. Investigators might go door-to-door to see if anyone else might have heard or seen anything else out of the ordinary. Of course if you hear a knock at your door and it’s a police officer you probably should try to talk to them. It might make you feel a little better as well because they can tell you exactly what’s going on and details of whether or not you should be worried.

Neighbor:

I hear a lot of cars [inaudible]

911 dispatcher:

There’s probably going to be a lot of sirens. Trust me, the sirens will be over soon. They’re probably going to take this guy to the hospital if …

Neighbor:

I just heard them say something, all the cars are outside my house right now in the front. Sorry, I’m just shaking.

[Neighbor, dispatcher discuss friend for her support – she’s having a tough time coping with the situation. She suggests someone calling her for support, for trauma. Dispatcher suggests getting her some help if she feels she needs it – she said she can’t even hold onto the phone because her hand was shaking. Offers an ambulance to come check her out if needed. He suggests a victim’s advocate to come out and respond to her.]

Ends 32:42

Neighbor #7, female - Call begins 32:43

911 dispatcher:

911 – police, fire, or medical?

Neighbor:

My brother said someone got shot behind our house.

911 dispatcher:

OK, what is the address out there?

Neighbor:

[Edited]

911 dispatcher:

Is your brother out there right now?

Neighbor:

No, he ran in the house.

911 dispatcher:

Do you know who was shot?

Neighbor:

I have no idea. I’m inside.

911 dispatcher:

OK. Is that the address where they’re at or the address where you’re at?

Neighbor:

It’s behind our house.


SANFORD, Florida (Isabelle Zehnder reporting) -- Moments before 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed by 28-year-old neighborhood watch captain, George Zimmerman, neighbors made calls to 911. Below is a transcription of those calls. 

Warning: Some may find contents of the 911 calls disturbing. 

MSNBC provided 911 tape recordings of the night of the shooting. The first call is Zimmerman calling 911. Subsequent calls are nearby neighbors who also called 911. 

Click here to listen to Zimmerman's call and for a transciption of the call.

Neighbor #1, male - Call begins 4:12

Police … I just heard a shot right behind my house. [4:14] They’re wrestling right in the back of my porch.

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911 dispatcher:

You just heard one shot go off?

Neighbor:

It was either that or a rock at the window, I don’t know, the guy’s yelling “help” and I’m not going outside. [4:34]

911 dispatcher:

OK, you hear someone yelling for help?

Neighbor:

Um, I’m pretty sure the guy’s dead out here – holy sh*t! [5:03]

911 dispatcher:

OK, we have several people calling in also. Anything else that you heard?

Neighbor:

Uh, no. A guy yelling “help.” Oh, my God! Um, there’s a guy with a flashlight in the backyard now. I think there’s flashlights, and there’s a guy – I don’t know if that’s a cop.

911 dispatcher:

OK, we’ve had several calls in. Are you sure you heard voices? Was there just one …

Neighbor:

There’s two guys. There’s two guys in the backyard with flashlights and there’s a black guy down and it looks like he’s been shot and he’s dead. He’s laying and there’s multiple people calling. [5:50]

911 dispatcher:

OK, I have several officers going there, OK? Thank you. Bye.

Neighbor:

Bye.

Ends 6:00

Neighbor #2, Female - Call begins 6:01

911 dispatcher:

911 police, fire, and medical.

Neighbor:

Um, maybe both, I’m not sure. There’s just someone screaming outside [screaming could be heard – 6:15]

911 dispatcher:

OK, what’s the address they’re near?

Neighbor:

[Address omitted]

911 dispatcher:

OK, is it a male or female?

Neighbor:

It sounds like a male.

911 dispatcher:

And you don’t know why?

Neighbor:

I don’t know why. I think they’re yelling “help” but I don’t know. [6:32] Just send someone please, crap.

911 dispatcher:

Does he look hurt to you?

Neighbor:

I can’t see him and I don’t want to go out there, I don’t know what’s going on. [Screams could be heard – 6:47]

911 dispatcher:

Do you think he’s yelling “help”?

Neighbor:

Yes.

911 dispatcher:

Alright [inaudible]

Neighbor:

Just … there’s gunshots [6:55]

911 dispatcher:

You just heard gunshots?

Click here to hear gunshot [at 0.45]

Neighbor:

Yes.

911 dispatcher:

How many?

Neighbor:

Just one … [Speaks to someone in the room][ 7:05]

911 dispatcher:

[Inaudible] – possibly: Is someone bleeding?

Neighbor:

I don’t know. [Speaks to someone in the room]

911 dispatcher:

Alright, is he right outside?

Neighbor:

Yeah, pretty much out the back deck [7:25]

911 dispatcher:

Is he in front of it or behind that?

Neighbor:

He’s behind my house. [Stay away from the windows.]

911 dispatcher:

I don’t hear him yelling anymore. Do you hear anything? [7:34]

Neighbor:

No, I don’t because I’m hiding upstairs because there was a gunshot right outside our house. You obviously sent someone, right?

911 dispatcher:

Yes they’ve been dispatched. What’s your name and phone number?

Neighbor:

My name is [edited] my phone number is [edited.]

911 dispatcher:

How do you spell your last name?

Neighbor:

[Edited.]

911 dispatcher:

Do you hear any vehicles leaving or anyone else? Do you hear anything?

Neighbor:

There’s people out there and I don’t want to go down there. [8:14]

911 dispatcher:

Multiple people are yelling now?

Neighbor:

Yeah. [8:20]

911 dispatcher:

OK – we do have officers on the way. Call us back if you do hear or see anything suspicious like any vehicles leaving or anything like that, OK?

Neighbor:

OK.

911 dispatcher:

Alright, thank you. Bye.

Ends 8:44

Neighbor #3, female - Call begins 8:45

911 dispatcher:

What is your emergency – police, fire, or medical?

Neighbor:

Police please.

911 dispatcher:

For what address or [inaudible]

Neighbor:

I’m at [edited] – there’s someone screaming outside.

911 dispatcher:

Is it where you’re at?

Neighbor:

Yes, I heard a gunshot – hurry up.

911 dispatcher:

OK.

Neighbor:

Some just [inaudible]

911 dispatcher:

Do you see anybody? I don’t need you to go outside.

Neighbor:

There’s someone screaming – I just heard gunshots [caller frantic] [9:17]

911 dispatcher:

OK. Do you see anything? I don’t need you to go outside but do you see anything? Do you hear squealing of tires, anything?

Neighbor:

Hurry up, they’re right outside my house.

911 dispatcher:

OK. We are sending someone. Are you in Sanford?

Neighbor:

Yes.

911 dispatcher:

What is your name?

Neighbor:

I see a person now. [9:47]

911 dispatcher:

What is your address? [Asks neighbor to spell name and address] – asks How old are you?

Neighbor:

I’m 40.

911 dispatcher:

OK, do you see the officer?

Neighbor:

Yeah, but like, it’s behind my house – it’s not the front entrance, it’s near – oh my God.

911 dispatcher:

Near what? Tell me so I can tell them.

Neighbor:

Like, if you’re looking at my house it’s behind, by my back porch.

911 dispatcher:

OK – coming from behind your house?

Neighbor:

Yes, by the back porch.

911 dispatcher:

OK, stay on the line with me and update me. Did you see anything at all or did you just hear screaming?

Neighbor:

I just heard screaming and gun shots.

911 dispatcher:

OK. We have an officer there. Did you hear anymore gunshots?

Neighbor:

No, I don’t hear any more.

911 dispatcher:

So it’s one gunshot you heard?

Neighbor:

Yes.

911 dispatcher:

OK.

Neighbor:

Hurry up, hurry up. Hurry.

911 dispatcher:

There’s officers out there. If anything changes give us a call back but we do have several officers there. One officer is there, OK?

Neighbor:

Do they see anything?

911 dispatcher:

I’m not sure m’am. I just show that he’s there and that two other officers are on their way. OK? If anything changes or you hear any more give us a call back. Because as far as you know it’s coming from behind your house near your back porch area?

Neighbor:

Yes.

911 dispatcher:

When you heard the screaming, did you hear screaming of a female or of a male? [11:37]

Neighbor:

A male. [11:40]

911 dispatcher:

OK, so when you heard screaming it was a male screaming?

Neighbor:

Yes.

911 dispatcher:

OK.

Neighbor:

Oh, my God! The guy on top has a white t-shirt. [11:51]

911 dispatcher:

What do you mean guy on top? Did you see a fight? [11:59]

Neighbor:

I don’t know. I just looked out my window and the guy on top has a white t-shirt.

911 dispatcher:

A white t-shirt. Did you see what kind of pants?

Neighbor:

No.

911 dispatcher:

OK, he’s on top of what?

Neighbor:

I couldn’t see the other thing. I couldn’t see the person he was on. [12:16]

911 dispatcher:

But he’s on top of a person? [12:18]

Neighbor:

Uh, huh.

911 dispatcher:

OK, is he, the guy with the white t-shirt, did he get up and run?

Neighbor:

I don’t know – I came to the phone and called you. [12:29]

911 dispatcher:

OK. Was he White, Black, or Hispanic when you saw him?

Neighbor:

I couldn’t tell, it was completely dark.

911 dispatcher:

OK. Well, we have several units in route, OK?

Neighbor:

OK.

911 dispatcher:

Thank you, bye.

Ends 12:49

Neighbor #4, female - Call begins 12:50

911 dispatcher:

Fire, police, or medical?

Neighbor:

This is 911, correct?

911 dispatcher:

Correct. You need police, fire, or medical?

Neighbor:

I’m sorry, police or medical. I don’t know Ma’am. I’m at [edited] and someone’s yelling two doors down from me, screaming, hollering ‘help, help, help.’ There’s an elderly man that lives down here. I don’t know what happened and then I thought I heard like a gunshot inside. I don’t know – so probably ambulance.

911 dispatcher:

OK, how many shots did you hear?

Neighbor:

One. [12:22]

911 dispatcher:

How long ago was this shot?

Neighbor:

Just like, I just heard it. When I heard that I picked up the phone and called you. [13:29]

911 dispatcher:

Before calling 911?

Neighbor:

Yes, Ma’am.

911 dispatcher:

Is it coming from [edited].

Neighbor:

No, I live [edited] and I’m inside by my large sliding glass door and there’s somebody out in the back porch, I mean, two doors down there’s an elderly man that lives there. Somebody walking around with a flashlight. I don’t know who it is. Maybe the police are already here, I don’t know because someone’s out there with a flashlight. And I did hear something …

911 dispatcher:

Yes, they should have units that are there – wait one second.

Neighbor:

Oh, my God.

911 dispatcher:

And the screaming – was it a male or a female that you heard? [14:22]

Neighbor:

It sounded to me like a male, OK, and what I know is this neighbor since I’ve been here four years, there’s an elderly man that lives like 1, 2, 3, 4 doors down north of me. And I’m inside.

911 dispatcher:

Do you think it’s coming from your area not [inaudible].

Neighbor:

I really don’t know because I’m not outside Ma’am. But I’m sitting by my back sliding glass door. There's someone out there right now. I don’t see anything but their flashlights shining around.

But I did hear someone yelling ‘help, help, help’ or something like that. Oh my God or something, and then moaning and then I heard a “boom” and I picked up the phone and I called.

911 dispatcher:

OK, so did you see or hear anything else like a vehicle leaving?

Neighbor:

No, Ma’am because I’m in the back, and the back is like there’s just a walkway, there’s no – I mean if somebody was in the front in a car, I don’t know. But as far as the back here I did not hear any kind of vehicle, no.

911 dispatcher:

And what was your name?

Neighbor:

[Edited]. Boy, it was scary.

911 dispatcher:

And your phone number, is it [inaudible].

Neighbor:

Yes, Ma’am. There’s still somebody walking around with flashlights back there.

911 dispatcher:

It might be an officer, I’m showing there should be one on scene.

Neighbor:

OK, all I can see is lights shining back and forth, which I don’t see a person walking or anything. I just see a light so …

911 dispatcher:

Yes, it could be officers.

Neighbor:

Alright, thank you.

911 dispatcher:

No problem, Ma’am. Thank you.

Ends 16:05

Neighbor #5, female - Call begins 16:13

911 dispatcher:

911 – police, fire, or medical?

Neighbor:

Medical.

911 dispatcher:

What location are you at?

Neighbor:

I think someone’s been shot.

911 dispatcher:

Where at?

Neighbor:

Oh, my God!

911 dispatcher:

Where? [Inaudible] Why do you think someone’s been shot?

Neighbor:

Because they’re out in the backyard and a gun just went off and they said call 911. Now there’s people coming with flashlights. Get inside, get inside, get inside (sounds like she’s talking to her kids.)

911 dispatcher:

You said it’s in the backyard?

Neighbor:

Yes, in the backyard. Yeah.

911 dispatcher:

Is there someone laying in the backyard?

Neighbor:

Yeah, and there’s people around them now. Get inside, [name ommitted].

911 dispatcher:

Do you know if it’s kids?

Neighbor:

No, [talks to someone else then says] it’s a black guy

911 dispatcher:

We’ve got units on the way. What do you mean it’s a black guy – that got shot?

Neighbor:

I don’t know. “[Name ommitted], is it the black guy that got shot?” [17:24]

I see a black guy standing up.

911 dispatcher:

There’s a black male standing?

Neighbor:

Yeah, and there’s people coming out with uh, let me go upstairs and look out my window.

911 dispatcher:

Can you tell me what the guy’s wearing?

Neighbor:

Police are here. I think someone else called 911.

911 dispatcher:

It looks like they did. OK, you do see officers out there with that guy?

Neighbor:

I think that’s the black guy that I see.

911 dispatcher:

OK thanks. Bye. 

Ends 18:11

Neighbor #6, female - Call begins 18:12

911 dispatcher:

911 – police, fire, or medical?

Neighbor:

I’m looking out my deck of my townhome and I heard someone screaming “help” and I don’t know, I heard like a bang. [18:18]

911 dispatcher:

Now you say you live at [edited]

Neighbor:

My townhome. Yes, I’m looking out my window of my backyard and someone is yelling and screaming “help” and I heard a pop noise and they’re both still out there right now and I don’t know what’s going on. [18:43]

911 dispatcher:

You’re not the only person that’s calling. We already have one officer on the scene and others on the way …

Neighbor:

Oh, good. Oh, my God! I see the person right now. I see him like walking. There’s a man coming out … there’s people coming out with flashlights [18:56]. Oh, my God! I don’t know what he did to this person. I can’t see, there’s a man walking with a flashlight right now.

911 dispatcher:

Dispatcher tries to talk, she talks over him and asks was it a male or a female voice that was screaming. [19:11]

Neighbor:

I guess a man, I don’t know. The man is up right now and someone’s coming over. I’m glad other people called. [19:19]

911 dispatcher:

Alright, we should be out there right now.

Neighbor:

I can open my window and hear it if you want me to. [19:27]

911 dispatcher:

You can still hear it?

Neighbor:

I’m looking out my window. Somebody’s over there taking a flashlight. I don’t know what’s happening. Someone’s on the ground. [19:37]

911 dispatcher:

You see someone laying on the ground?

Neighbor:

I think someone’s been shot. I don’t know what’s going on. [19:42]

911 dispatcher:

Calm down, stay on the line with me. Like I said, we have an officer on the scene.

Neighbor:

Oh, my God, they better hurry up. I don’t know if someone’s dead on the ground or something. Oh, my God! [19:52] 

911 dispatcher:

Are they laying down?

Neighbor:

I can see out my back window and there’s a sidewalk and grass and stuff. [Inaudible] There’s a man who’s out there with a flashlight with a man who’s been wrestling … [20:14]

911 dispatcher:

Is this person laying down in the street?

Neighbor:

No, you can see from my back window – people are coming over. [20:24]

911 dispatcher:

So is the person you see laying down, laying down in the street or in the grass?

Neighbor:

On the grass. Oh, my God. People are coming, there’s another gentleman with a flashlight. I don’t know if they’re police or not. Oh, my God, he’s shot, he shot the person. He said he shot the person.

911 dispatcher:

Who is saying they shot who?

Neighbor:

The people out there – um – a guy is waving his hands up saying he shot a person. I can see a police officer that’s with him right now. Oh, my God [inaudible]. [20:57]

911 dispatcher:

The dispatcher tells the caller police will handle the situation from here.

Neighbor:

Very distraught, says she can’t believe somebody’s been killed.

911 dispatcher:

Listen, we don’t know if they’ve been killed. We know they’ve been probably … [21:22]

Neighbor:

Frantic – no, he’s dead laying on the ground.

911 dispatcher:

Just because he’s laying on the ground …

Neighbor:

Oh, my God!

911 dispatcher:

Just because he’s laying on the ground doesn’t mean he’s passed. We have an ambulance on the way as well. [21:32] We’re probably going to pick him up and take him to the hospital.

Neighbor:

I didn’t see it because it was too dark and I just heard people screaming ‘help me, help me.’ And this person shot him. He was like wrestling with him, you know what I mean? On the ground, from what I could see, it was very dark. [21:47]

[She says she doesn’t want to be a witness initially, later says she’ll talk to police.]

911 dispatcher:

OK I’ll leave you as anonymous.

Neighbor:

I’m just scared. I can’t even believe … this is another person … Oh, my God, I hope [inaudible] this young boy. I’ve never seen anyone killed. This is like a nice neighborhood, this is like, you know, Oh, my God. I don’t want – I’m too scared to live here. [22:28]

911 dispatcher:

You don’t have to worry right now. We have many officers on the way and at least two officers on the scene now. So we are on scene, OK?

Neighbor:

Oh, my God. To see someone killed laying on the grass. Oh, my God. I want to know what happened. I want to know why would this man …

911 dispatcher:

Once the incident calms down a little bit you can probably try to ask one of the officers what’s going on. But in the meantime it’s probably best …

Neighbor:

Oh, my God. Here comes another police officer. It’s right outside my window. I mean, it’s like two feet [inaudible] and 10 feet from my window. [23:07] Oh, my God. Why would somebody kill someone like that.

911 dispatcher:

Of course we’re not going to know the details …

Neighbor:

Oh, I can’t look. I mean, the officer’s shining the light on the person – he killed someone. Oh, my God! Oh, my God! [23:29]

911 dispatcher:

Did you hear or see anything else suspicious before you heard …

Neighbor:

No, I was watching my TV [inaudible] my back window and I heard people talking out there and I was kind of like ‘oh, gosh, with the pouring rain, why would they be outside. I figured walking their dog or something. And then I heard more talking voices and I didn’t open my window and then I just, it looked like I saw two men talking to each other. It looked like they were wrestling each other and then I heard the man saying ‘help, help’ [24:04]  

I mean, I would have helped if I could have. He’s walking … the police officer’s bringing the person away that someone …

911 dispatcher:

Alright, stay inside your house for the time being. Once this thing calms down a little bit …

Neighbor:

Oh, God, I mean they’re looking at the person that’s dead … [very distraught – 24:29]

911 dispatcher:

You’re very emotional. You may want to step away from the window for the time being.

Neighbor:

[The dispatcher and neighbor discuss her calling friend or family to be with her – she’s extremely distraught.]

911 dispatcher:

Right now the best thing to do is probably stay inside. It’s probably going to just make you emotional looking out the window. You should probably walk away for now.

Neighbor:

I just can’t believe it, I wish I could have done something for the person.

911 dispatcher:

From what I can see, we possibly have the person that’s responsible so you don’t have to sorry about that for now.

Neighbor:

Yes, I know, but when someone yells for help, you wish you could have helped them. You know? I mean, I don’t have a gun or anything but … I am sorry but …

911 dispatcher:

That’s OK …

Neighbor:

I never – I can’t believe, I could never even imagine anything like this where I live, you know.

911 dispatcher:

Hindsight is always 20/20. The whole thing happened too quickly. I mean, you weren’t the only one that heard. Like I said earlier, a lot of other people called about it in your neighborhood.

Neighbor:

I mean, the people that like are back there, their porches are right there. They were probably like three feet. They could have ran out and helped the person, you know.

911 dispatcher:

Honestly, calling 911 is the best way to help this man, especially to get the ambulance rolling out there as fast as we could.

Neighbor:

OK, so people called even before I did?

911 dispatcher:

Yeah, we got a bunch of calls all at once so trust me, a lot of people in your area called in and an ambulance was rolling right away. Police as well. Right now I can tell you police might be out there for a while since they’re investigating a serious crime.

Neighbor:

Should I stay here or should I go down there and say anything? [26:53]

911 dispatcher:

For now you might just want to stay in your house and wait for things to calm down a little bit. Investigators might go door-to-door to see if anyone else might have heard or seen anything else out of the ordinary. Of course if you hear a knock at your door and it’s a police officer you probably should try to talk to them. It might make you feel a little better as well because they can tell you exactly what’s going on and details of whether or not you should be worried.

Neighbor:

I hear a lot of cars [inaudible]

911 dispatcher:

There’s probably going to be a lot of sirens. Trust me, the sirens will be over soon. They’re probably going to take this guy to the hospital if …

Neighbor:

I just heard them say something, all the cars are outside my house right now in the front. Sorry, I’m just shaking.

[Neighbor, dispatcher discuss friend for her support – she’s having a tough time coping with the situation. She suggests someone calling her for support, for trauma. Dispatcher suggests getting her some help if she feels she needs it – she said she can’t even hold onto the phone because her hand was shaking. Offers an ambulance to come check her out if needed. He suggests a victim’s advocate to come out and respond to her.]

Ends 32:42

Neighbor #7, female - Call begins 32:43

911 dispatcher:

911 – police, fire, or medical?

Neighbor:

My brother said someone got shot behind our house.

911 dispatcher:

OK, what is the address out there?

Neighbor:

[Edited]

911 dispatcher:

Is your brother out there right now?

Neighbor:

No, he ran in the house.

911 dispatcher:

Do you know who was shot?

Neighbor:

I have no idea. I’m inside.

911 dispatcher:

OK. Is that the address where they’re at or the address where you’re at?

Neighbor:

It’s behind our house.

911 dispatcher:

Behind your house?

Neighbor:

Yeah.

911 dispatcher:

OK, you didn’t see anything else, or hear anything else?

Neighbor:

No. I wasn’t outside.

911 dispatcher:

OK. Did you hear the shot?

Neighbor:

I heard something then my brother ran in the house.

911 dispatcher:

OK. And your brother didn’t see anything else?

Neighbor:

My brother saw it.

911 dispatcher:

OK. Is your brother there right now?

Neighbor:

He’s next to me.

911 dispatcher:

OK, can you give him the phone?

Neighbor:

Yeah.

Brother:

Hello.

911 dispatcher:

Sir, what exactly did you see?

Brother:

I saw a man laying on the ground and he was held down screaming and I was gonna go over there and try to help him but my dog ran off the leash so I went and got my dog and then I heard a loud sound and then the screaming stopped. [34:10]

911 dispatcher:

OK, then did you see the person get shot?

Brother:

No.

911 dispatcher:

OK. Do you know the person who was shot or did you see the person who had the gun?

Brother:

No, I just heard a loud gunshot sound and then the screaming stopped.

911 dispatcher:

OK, we do have officers in the area right now.

Neighbor:

OK.

911 dispatcher:

OK, thanks a lot. Bye.

Ends 34:34

Above is a transcription of neighbors who called 911 moments before Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin. It was transcribed to the best of the transcriber's abilities, and is not meant to replace any official transcript of the call. 

You can listen to the neighbors' calls here from 4:12 to 34:34. 

On February 26, 2012, Trayvon Martin, 17, was walking home from a convenience store after purchasing an Arizona iced tea and Skittles. Moments later he was lying dead on the ground, shot to death by volunteer neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman, 28.

Trayvon Martin's father, Tracy Martin, was staying in his fiancee's gated Sanford, Florida neighborhood where his son was shot and killed while returning from a local convenience store. 


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