Lady of Kazan Black Madonna Our Lady of Kazan Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
You are a fucking idiot if you think that this image depicts a racially black woman.
When you have evidence that the description "Black" actually is related to race as oppose to what is commonly understood: that the word is metaphorically charged, hit us up.
Posted by asante-Korton (Member # 18532) on :
Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
"Madonnas were intended to represent a more motherly, feminine figure through the use of earthy skin tones. According to this theory, light-skinned Madonnas are more suggestive of purity and chastity than of an eternal feminine power.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by facts: "Madonnas were intended to represent a more motherly, feminine figure through the use of earthy skin tones. According to this theory, light-skinned Madonnas are more suggestive of purity and chastity than of an eternal feminine power.
LOL!
Posted by Masonic Rebel (Member # 9549) on :
quote: Madonnas were intended to represent a more motherly, feminine figure through the use of earthy skin tones
Laughable ^
Someone is copying Hawass
Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
Earliest European depiction of Mary and Child
^Now, go suck on one.
Posted by Masonic Rebel (Member # 9549) on :
Isis
Wrong Try Again^
Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
We can go tit 4 tat and I'll post semitic renditions of mother goddess and child with NO NEGRO CONNECTIION. And then argue that Europe's was inspired by the ones found in Asia. YOU = LOSE. Now, go crawl back under the rock from which you came.
quote:Originally posted by Masonic Rebel:
Isis
Wrong Try Again^
Posted by Masonic Rebel (Member # 9549) on :
quote: I'll post semitic renditions of mother goddess and child with NO NEGRO CONNECTIION.
Scientists reveal face of the first European
quote:what modern humans looked like when they spread into Europe
Go ahead try entertain us Posted by Oshun (Member # 19740) on :
quote:Originally posted by facts: "Madonnas were intended to represent a more motherly, feminine figure through the use of earthy skin tones. According to this theory, light-skinned Madonnas are more suggestive of purity and chastity than of an eternal feminine power.
Yes cause when I think of an earthy skin tone I think pink and white. Woa wait-- No, I don't quite think of such colors when I think of the color of Earth. At most a Med, but those people are mixed. Earthy colors can also be dark brown to black. I could understand later renditions of her skin changed to reflect European views on purity. Even more interesting is that the quote suggests that there was a reduction in emphasis on eternal feminine power because of it. Ideas of purity were mostly important for patriarchal purposes involving a man knowing his child and ensuring his genetic legacy. If they didn't see pallid women as having eternal feminine power, would that suggest self hatred?? Cassi's always talking about it, I wonder if he's trying to portray impartiality by suggesting the issue was also present in Europe.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Masonic Rebel:
Isis
Wrong Try Again^
It's funny how that individual is fighting with tooth and nail. All day and everyday.
quote:Originally posted by Omo Baba:
"Rites of the early production cultures" Gímszarvasvadászatot painting, Catal Hülyük, BC 5800th k.
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Black God: The Afroasiatic Roots of the Jewish, Christian and Muslim Religions
It is argued that just as there is a common Afroasiatic language family, so too there is a common Afroasiatic family of religions. There is an inner logic to be found in myths, folk-tales, rituals, customs and beliefs as far apart as Yemen and Nigeria which go back to an ancient past shared by the Bible and the pharaohs.
Using the method of comparative mythology, the author sifts through the work of scholars - including anthropologists, religious historians, archaeologists and classical Greek writers and contemporary comments on them by professional Egyptologists - to build his picture of the Afroasiatic heritage, and how much of it is still with us in modern Western thought.
Head of the god Amun (Amun RA/ RE)(Amen)
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the AMEN, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. ( Revelation 3:14-15 )
Amon, or Amen
(the mysterious ), an Egyptian divinity, whose name occurs in that of No-amon. ( Nahum 3:8 ) Amen was one of the eight gods of the first order and chief of the triad of Thebes. He was worshipped at that city as Amen-Ra, or "Amen the Sun."
Bibliography Information
Smith, William, Dr. "Entry for 'Amon, or Amen'". "Smith's Bible Dictionary". . 1901.
Nahum 3:9 "Ethiopia and Egypt were her strength, and it was infinite".......? lol
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by facts: Earliest European depiction of Mary and Child
^Now, go suck on one.
The translation said: Russia will be for whites! lol
And now you're forcing your "earliest dipiction"!
Book of Kells, Folio 7v, Madonna and Child.
The Book of Kells is an illuminated manuscript Gospel book, created by Celtic monks ca. 800 AD. (giving away the illiteracy of West Europe. And her Celtic tradition. )
Celtic hut during 800 AD.
Versus
The Earliest Known Image of the Virgin Mary (Circa 150 CE)
RT's Anissa Naouai reports on what's become a real party rush:
Гатчинский район, пос. Суйда, ул. Центральная, 4 Время работы: с 10.00 до 17.00, выходные - понедельник и вторник
Музей был открыт в 1999 г. Находится на территории бывшего поместья А.П. Ганнибала - прадеда А.С.Пушкина по материнской линии. Барский дом сгорел в 1897 г. Уцелели каменный гостевой флигель, дом упpавляющего, конюшня, а также пруд и парк, где находятся знаменитое Лукоморье и каменный диван-скамья. Музей занимает часть усадебного флигеля, который сейчас принадлежит ОПХ "Суйда".
quote:Originally posted by facts: Earliest European depiction of Mary and Child
blah..blah....
Lol!
Posted by KoKaKoLa (Member # 19312) on :
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by KoKaKoLa: poor facts must be crawling under a rock right know
And crying.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by facts: Earliest European depiction of Mary and Child
^Now, go suck on one.
The early apocryphal texts also describe Jesus as fair haired and pale.
The afronut retards will claim these texts are 'fabrications', but note that the ETHIOPIAN Book of Enoch describes Noah as a white man with blonde hair, lol.
So even the churches in africa have known for a long time that the characters that feature in the Bible - are all white.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Cass - "but note that the ETHIOPIAN Book of Enoch describes Noah as a white man with blonde hair".
He,he,he:
Here is a link to the book of Enoch, could you please show us that part?
malibudusul - Please don't post any porn here, I have Cass cornered, and I don't want to waste it.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by facts: Earliest European depiction of Mary and Child
^Now, go suck on one.
The early apocryphal texts also describe Jesus as fair haired and pale.
The afronut retards will claim these texts are 'fabrications', but note that the ETHIOPIAN Book of Enoch describes Noah as a white man with blonde hair, lol.
So even the churches in africa have known for a long time that the characters that feature in the Bible - are all white.
This crappy image was already debunked in a post prior to this. All you need to do, is scroll up a few posts.
Hebrews as they were during ancient days; Flavius Josephus describes a man like them, referring at the individual Jesus/ Joshua Ben Pantera as: Short, dark skinned, with curly/ frizzy hair. And underdeveloped beard. So where does that other image comes from?
The Qumran in Israel speaks of Moshe in similair way. The oral tradition of the Copts says the same.
Your history and culture is wodan, witch craved, wicca and such. From the caves and the forest of Europe. Christianity spread due to the invasion of the Roman army into Europe. Leaving people only with two choices.
It was convert to the sola scriptura or die! So they added water to the whine. This is why there are still elements in European Christianity mixed up with original traditions. Santa Claus is one of them. Easter bunny is another one. The Christmas tree and so on...
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
The Biblical characters are Caucasoid -
Noah is decribed as fair haired in the Qumran Scrolls (4Qmess ar), while the Book of Enoch (1 Enoch) describes him as white skinned:
Book of Enoch
''10. THE BOOK OF METHUSELAH
106.1 And after those days my son Methuselah chose a wife for his son Lamech and she became pregnant by him and bore a son. 106.2 And his body was white like snow, and red like the flower of a rose, and the hair of his head was white like wool. And his eyes were beautiful and when he opened his eyes he made the whole house bright, like the Sun, so that the whole house was exceptionally bright.''
King David is described as red-haired (1 Samuel 17:42; 1 Samuel 16:12).
A description of Sarah, Abraham's wife, in the seventh Dead Sea Scroll:
''Her skin was pure white; 'She had long lovely hair; Her limbs were smooth and rounded (her thighs were shapely) 'She had slender legs and small feet; 'Her hand were slim and long and so were her fingers''
- pale skin, long flowing hair.
There are no Negroids in the Bible, the limited geographical setting only deals with Caucasoids.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Chapter 106
1 And after some days my son Methuselah took a wife for his son Lamech, and she became 2 pregnant by him and bore a son. And his body was white as snow and red as the blooming of a rose, and the hair of his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house 3 was very bright. And thereupon he arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord of righteousness.
4 And his father Lamech was afraid of him and 5 fled, and came to his father Methuselah. And he said unto him: I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of the God of heaven; and his nature is different and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his 6 countenance is glorious.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTHING NEW THERE CASS, IT'S AN OLD STORY IN AFRICA.
Tanzania's President Seeks Help in Nationwide Witch Hunt
President Jakaya Kikwete, having banned witchcraft in January, is asking for his people's help in anonymously reporting albino killers.
The East African reports that witches in Tanzania have help in neighboring Burundi, considered the poorest country in the world by the IMF; albinos are kidnapped there and taken across the border to Tanzania to be killed.
Practitioners of witchcraft in Tanzania believe that albinos have mystical powers that can be transferred through potions made from their body parts. As a result, Tanzania has had several attacks against albinos since 2007, including attacks on two mothers by machete-wielding gang members who were after their albino children.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Chapter 106
1 And after some days my son Methuselah took a wife for his son Lamech, and she became 2 pregnant by him and bore a son. And his body was white as snow and red as the blooming of a rose, and the hair of his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house 3 was very bright. And thereupon he arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord of righteousness.
4 And his father Lamech was afraid of him and 5 fled, and came to his father Methuselah. And he said unto him: I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of the God of heaven; and his nature is different and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his 6 countenance is glorious.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTHING NEW THERE CASS, IT'S AN OLD STORY IN AFRICA.
Tanzania's President Seeks Help in Nationwide Witch Hunt
President Jakaya Kikwete, having banned witchcraft in January, is asking for his people's help in anonymously reporting albino killers.
The East African reports that witches in Tanzania have help in neighboring Burundi, considered the poorest country in the world by the IMF; albinos are kidnapped there and taken across the border to Tanzania to be killed.
Practitioners of witchcraft in Tanzania believe that albinos have mystical powers that can be transferred through potions made from their body parts. As a result, Tanzania has had several attacks against albinos since 2007, including attacks on two mothers by machete-wielding gang members who were after their albino children.
Ironically Lembas are Tanzanian.
Y chromosomes traveling south: the cohen modal haplotype and the origins of the Lemba--the "Black Jews of Southern Africa".
Thomas MG, Parfitt T, Weiss DA, Skorecki K, Wilson JF, le Roux M, Bradman N, Goldstein DB. Source
The Center for Genetic Anthropology, Departments of Biology and Anthropology, University College London, London, United Kingdom.
Abstract
The Lemba are a traditionally endogamous group speaking a variety of Bantu languages who live in a number of locations in southern Africa. They claim descent from Jews who came to Africa from "Sena." "Sena" is variously identified by them as Sanaa in Yemen, Judea, Egypt, or Ethiopia. A previous study using Y-chromosome markers suggested both a Bantu and a Semitic contribution to the Lemba gene pool, a suggestion that is not inconsistent with Lemba oral tradition. To provide a more detailed picture of the Lemba paternal genetic heritage, we analyzed 399 Y chromosomes for six microsatellites and six biallelic markers in six populations (Lemba, Bantu, Yemeni-Hadramaut, Yemeni-Sena, Sephardic Jews, and Ashkenazic Jews). The high resolution afforded by the markers shows that Lemba Y chromosomes are clearly divided into Semitic and Bantu clades. Interestingly, one of the Lemba clans carries, at a very high frequency, a particular Y-chromosome type termed the "Cohen modal haplotype," which is known to be characteristic of the paternally inherited Jewish priesthood and is thought, more generally, to be a potential signature haplotype of Judaic origin. The Bantu Y-chromosome samples are predominantly (>80%) YAP+ and include a modal haplotype at high frequency. Assuming a rapid expansion of the eastern Bantu, we used variation in microsatellite alleles in YAP+ sY81-G Bantu Y chromosomes to calculate a rough date, 3,000-5,000 years before the present, for the start of their expansion.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: The Biblical characters are Caucasoid -
Noah is decribed as fair haired in the Qumran Scrolls (4Qmess ar), while the Book of Enoch (1 Enoch) describes him as white skinned:
Book of Enoch
''10. THE BOOK OF METHUSELAH
106.1 And after those days my son Methuselah chose a wife for his son Lamech and she became pregnant by him and bore a son. 106.2 And his body was white like snow, and red like the flower of a rose, and the hair of his head was white like wool. And his eyes were beautiful and when he opened his eyes he made the whole house bright, like the Sun, so that the whole house was exceptionally bright.''
King David is described as red-haired (1 Samuel 17:42; 1 Samuel 16:12).
A description of Sarah, Abraham's wife, in the seventh Dead Sea Scroll:
''Her skin was pure white; 'She had long lovely hair; Her limbs were smooth and rounded (her thighs were shapely) 'She had slender legs and small feet; 'Her hand were slim and long and so were her fingers''
- pale skin, long flowing hair.
There are no Negroids in the Bible, the limited geographical setting only deals with Caucasoids.
The Bible is based on metaphors. Geographically these people were Hg J and E carriers. Nowhere does it speak of your negroes and cacasiods.
God Dwells In Thick Darkness!
Exd 20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God [was].
Deu 4:11 And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.
Deu 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
1Ki 8:12 Then spake Solomon, The LORD said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.
2Ch 6:1 Then said Solomon, The LORD hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.
Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it, Joe 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, [even] to the years of many generations.
Zep 1:15 That day [is] a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
2Sa 22:12 And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, [and] thick clouds of the skies.
Psa 18:11 He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him [were] dark waters [and] thick clouds of the skies.
Job.38 [9] when I made clouds its garment, and thick darkness its swaddling band,
Ps.18 [9] He bowed the heavens, and came down; thick darkness was under his feet.
Ps.97 [2] Clouds and thick darkness are round about him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of his throne.
Isa.8 [22] and they will look to the earth, but behold, distress and darkness, the gloom of anguish; and they will be thrust into thick darkness.
Isa.60 [2] For behold, darkness shall cover the earth, and thick darkness the peoples; but the LORD will arise upon you, and his glory will be seen upon you.
Jer.2 [31] And you, O generation, heed the word of the LORD. Have I been a wilderness to Israel, or a land of thick darkness? Why then do my people say, `We are free, we will come no more to thee'?
Ezek.34 [12] As a shepherd seeks out his flock when some of his sheep have been scattered abroad, so will I seek out my sheep; and I will rescue them from all places where they have been scattered on a day of clouds and thick darkness.
Joel.2 [2] a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness! Like blackness there is spread upon the mountains a great and powerful people; their like has never been from of old, nor will be again after them through the years of all generations.
Zeph.1 [15] A day of wrath is that day, a day of distress and anguish, a day of ruin and devastation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
Sir.45 [5] He made him hear his voice, and led him into the thick darkness, and gave him the commandments face to face, the law of life and knowledge, to teach Jacob the covenant, and Israel his judgments.
In 1985, German scholar Werner Daum published an important monograph, Ursemitische Religion ("Proto-Semitic Religion").[1] By a close study of ancient South Arabian inscriptions and modern Yemeni folktales and ritual practices, Daum was able to produce a convincing reconstruction of proto-Semitic Religion, or at least important aspects thereof. The proto-Semites are believed to have been the original speakers of that language (Proto-Semitic) from which the various Semitic languages derived (Arabic, Hebrew, Ugaritic, Akkadian, etc.). It has been suggested that they originated in the areas round the northern frontier of Syria,[2] and began diverging probably around 5000 B.C.E. As these Proto-Semites will eventually evolve into the Semites (Arabs, Hebrews, Canaanites, Akkadians, etc.), proto-Semitic religion will make an important contribution to the development of the Semitic religious tradition, even the Semitic monotheistic traditions (i.e. the so-called 'Religions of the Book'- Judaism, Christianity, and Islam). Daum suggests that our best evidence for reconstructing the 'Ursemitische Religion' comes from southern Arabia.[3] The most important observation for our purposes is that, according to Daum's reconstruction, the high god of the proto-Semites was a black storm deity, rain being most valued in this part of the world, called "Il/"El/"Al. Now "l is the general appellative meaning 'god' and proper divine name in all the major branches of the Semitic family of languages[4]; from it derived the Hebrew "ÀlÙah thus the biblical "ÀlÙhîm, God")[5] and Arabic il§h (thus the qur"§nic aÏϧh, "God").[6] This ancient proto-Semitic deity was depicted as an old, bearded man and associated with the black rain cloud, black bovine* (ibex, bull, buffalo) and occasionally the black ostrich. These, Daum tells us, "symbolisiert den dunklen "Il (‚symbolized the dark "Il')."[7] In the ancient Near Eastern and India the black rain-cloud symbolized the god's black body[8] and the hide of the black bull signifies the skin of the black god.[9]
The British historian Julian Baldick followed up and expanded upon Daum's research with Black God: The Afroasiatic Roots of the Jewish, Christian and Muslim Religions.[10] Baldick's research suggested that, just as there is an 'Afroasiatic' language group indigenous to North Africa and Arabia (consisting of the Semitic languages, the ancient Egyptian language, Berber, Hausa, and the Kushitic and Omotic languages of the Horn of Africa) there is likewise an 'Afroasiatic' religious tradition indigenous to the same area and peculiar to the same groups. This 'Afroasiatic' religious tradition is characterized by a dualistic logic which emphasizes the male-female dichotomy and by a divine triad consisting of a Black storm god, a goddess, and a young hero god. Baldick notes:
'Afroasiatic' logic is in my view particularly dualistic and based on the opposition between male and female…(T)his logic is particularly directed towards obtaining water, and operates by combining a male storm-god, black and violent, with a female deity of the sun, white and vulnerable.[11]
Posted by MANGO (Member # 19731) on :
quote:Originally posted by facts: You are a fucking idiot if you think that this image depicts a racially black woman.
When you have evidence that the description "Black" actually is related to race as oppose to what is commonly understood: that the word is metaphorically charged, hit us up.
The queen of heaven: Màmma Schiavona (the black mother), the madonna of the Pignasecea: a delineation of the great idolatry - promoted by the teaching and authority of the Roman Catholic Church By Thomas W. L. Jones
quote: "To the generality the conception idealized and realized is that the mother of Jesus was, a Negress, or of a very, very dark complexion"
quote:Originally posted by facts: You are a fucking idiot if you think that this image depicts a racially black woman.
When you have evidence that the description "Black" actually is related to race as oppose to what is commonly understood: that the word is metaphorically charged, hit us up.
The queen of heaven: Màmma Schiavona (the black mother), the madonna of the Pignasecea: a delineation of the great idolatry - promoted by the teaching and authority of the Roman Catholic Church By Thomas W. L. Jones J
quote: "To the generality the conception idealized and realized is that the mother of Jesus was, a Negress, or of a very, very dark complexion"
And the people remained [from a] distant and Moshe approached the tempestuous cloud which there was [found] Elohim (God.)
Get off Wesley Muhommed's pseudo dick!
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
God Dwells In Thick Darkness!
Exd 20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God [was].
Deu 4:11 And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.
Deu 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
1Ki 8:12 Then spake Solomon, The LORD said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.
2Ch 6:1 Then said Solomon, The LORD hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.
Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it, Joe 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, [even] to the years of many generations.
Zep 1:15 That day [is] a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
2Sa 22:12 And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, [and] thick clouds of the skies.
Psa 18:11 He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him [were] dark waters [and] thick clouds of the skies.
Job.38 [9] when I made clouds its garment, and thick darkness its swaddling band,
Ps.18 [9] He bowed the heavens, and came down; thick darkness was under his feet.
Ps.97 [2] Clouds and thick darkness are round about him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of his throne.
Isa.8 [22] and they will look to the earth, but behold, distress and darkness, the gloom of anguish; and they will be thrust into thick darkness.
Isa.60 [2] For behold, darkness shall cover the earth, and thick darkness the peoples; but the LORD will arise upon you, and his glory will be seen upon you.
Jer.2 [31] And you, O generation, heed the word of the LORD. Have I been a wilderness to Israel, or a land of thick darkness? Why then do my people say, `We are free, we will come no more to thee'?
Ezek.34 [12] As a shepherd seeks out his flock when some of his sheep have been scattered abroad, so will I seek out my sheep; and I will rescue them from all places where they have been scattered on a day of clouds and thick darkness.
Joel.2 [2] a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness! Like blackness there is spread upon the mountains a great and powerful people; their like has never been from of old, nor will be again after them through the years of all generations.
Zeph.1 [15] A day of wrath is that day, a day of distress and anguish, a day of ruin and devastation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
Sir.45 [5] He made him hear his voice, and led him into the thick darkness, and gave him the commandments face to face, the law of life and knowledge, to teach Jacob the covenant, and Israel his judgments.
quote:Originally posted by facts: "Madonnas were intended to represent a more motherly, feminine figure through the use of earthy skin tones. According to this theory, light-skinned Madonnas are more suggestive of purity and chastity than of an eternal feminine power.
LOL!
I'm very happy with this one, but never saw it on the web before. Know it from a Recueil of le Vierge Noir etc.. There are 18 centure images of whites adoring these Black Madonna's, an unusual sight.
Black Madonna's also symbolise Black Superiority 1100-1848. Some were destroyed around the French Revolution. The Black elite saw divinity as Black and superior.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by facts: "Madonnas were intended to represent a more motherly, feminine figure through the use of earthy skin tones. According to this theory, light-skinned Madonnas are more suggestive of purity and chastity than of an eternal feminine power.
LOL!
I'm very happy with this one, but never saw it on the web before. Know it from a Recueil of le Vierge Noir etc.. There are 18 centure images of whites adoring these Black Madonna's, an unusual sight.
Black Madonna's also symbolise Black Superiority 1100-1848. Some were destroyed around the French Revolution. The Black elite saw divinity as Black and superior.
You'd do real well to hush your pie hole on matters which evade your comprehension of scripture, fool. The Hebrews ALWAYS used observed realities to express as metaphors, pointing to higher social, intellectual and spiritual meanings. So, while their writing is filled with metaphors, these are all rooted in actual persons, places and things. The example Cass provided is an excellent one as it points to an historical event which the Hebrews interpreted to mean something spiritual. Noah was born with Aryan features that the Hebrews only knew to be associated with the gods (angels). Thus, his birth signaled an apocalyptic event on the horizon.
Now, shut your trap. You have been schooled, once again.
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: The Bible is based on metaphors.
Here is a more precise translation to clarify "thick darkness," a term Dr. Wesley Muhommed has grossly misinterpreted. He now promotes his doctrine on God is enshrouded in blackness (implying he is Black) in the Afro-Islamic conscious circle.
Exo 20.21 And the people remained at a distance and Moshe approached the tempestuous cloud which there was [found] Elohim (God.)
The word in question is "arafel." Scholars contend that the word originates in the three-stem Qal root - Ayin, resh, phe(fe); Araf means to drop or drip -it is in this root that the notion of descending (drop) storm clouds -arafel- is derived. We see this contextual meaning applied in Deut. 32.2 and 33.28.
Posted by malibudusul (Member # 19346) on :
eg is diana of ephesus
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by facts: You'd do real well to hush your pie hole on matters which evade your comprehension of scripture, fool. The Hebrews ALWAYS used observed realities to express as metaphors, pointing to higher social, intellectual and spiritual meanings. So, while their writing is filled with metaphors, these are all rooted in actual persons, places and things. The example Cass provided is an excellent one as it points to an historical event which the Hebrews interpreted to mean something spiritual. Noah was born with Aryan features that the Hebrews only knew to be associated with the gods (angels). Thus, his birth signaled an apocalyptic event on the horizon.
Now, shut your trap. You have been schooled, once again.
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: The Bible is based on metaphors.
Noah was most likely a Sumerian king or ruler. Most of Genesis after all is rooted in pre-Semitic Mesopotamian history. There are certain parallels between Noah and the Sumerian and Babylonian flood hero's, for example Ziusudra (Xisuthros), all who seem to have been rooted on a Sumerian historical figure. So most the Bible is in fact historically valid, the archaeologist Leonard Woolley claimed to have discovered the flood strata at Ur, so the flood was probably localised. The Hebrew for 'earth' (eretz) does not mean the entire globe, but just a localised area.
"the storm had swept...for seven days and seven nights" — Ziusudra 203 "For seven days and seven nights came the storm" — Atrahasis III,iv, 24 "Six days and seven nights the wind and storm" — Gilgamesh XI, 127 "rain fell upon the earth forty days and forty nights" — Genesis 7:12
Now if we take a look at the extent of geography the Book of Genesis deals with:
- The ethnography only deals with Caucasoids, predominantly from Western Asia, but small segments of Europe were known such as Greece, and only the northern tip of north africa.
Negroids from sub-sahara africa were not known until far later in antiquity.
Paul Heinisch in his History of the Old Testament (1952) notes that the Jews had no knowledge of Negroids and in regards to the ethnographic table (Gen. x) he clearly points out (p. 32):
''No reference is made to the Indians, Negroes, Mongolians, Malayans, Chinese, Japanese, etc. The author names only the peoples within his sphere of knowledge.''
The Ethiopia (Kush) of Genesis is Arabia.
''And the name of the third river is the Tigris, which flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates'' (Gen. ii. 14; ESV).
The Tigris and Euphrates do not flow into Africa and as Professor Alexander Winchell (1880) asserts: ''As long as we locate Kush in the heart of Africa, this passage is unintelligible; but when we seek for Kush in the Arabian peninsula, we apprehend at least a geographical relation to the rivers of Eden'' (Preadamites, p. 91).
Alternitively Kush could have been in Mesopotamia, as you had the Kassites and Kish, but i prefer to think of it being in Arabia, but whatever its exact location it was not in africa.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by facts: Here is a more precise translation to clarify "thick darkness," a term Dr. Wesley Muhommed has grossly misinterpreted. He now promotes his doctrine on God is enshrouded in blackness (implying he is Black) in the Afro-Islamic conscious circle.
Exo 20.21 And the people remained at a distance and Moshe approached the tempestuous cloud which there was [found] Elohim (God.)
The word in question is "arafel." Scholars contend that the word originates in the three-stem Qal root - Ayin, resh, phe(fe); Araf means to drop or drip -it is in this root that the notion of descending (drop) storm clouds -arafel- is derived. We see this contextual meaning applied in Deut. 32.2 and 33.28.
The black hebrew israelite nuts now have white followers.
Still the same bullshit.
They go to revelation and claim Jesus is described as afro (wooly) haired. When it says his head is WHITE *like* wool. It's not describing any texture but the colour. Last time i checked negroids don't have white heads... Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
The power of the dick maybe?? even if they are Hebrew Israelite.
So, while Wesley argues that God dwells or hides himself in thick darkness, God also envelops his nakedness in PURE WHITENESS. Why doesn't he teach that too? He is a charlatan with a Ph.d. But of course, his following is the deaf, dumb, and blind, thereby, he is able to present a salable pseudo teaching to these fools like Troll Patrol.
Take a look for yourself:
Daniel 7.9 (in-part): "[L]evushe k'tlag khivar..."
Translation:
"[His] vestment is pale as snow"
A stronger argument can be made that the color white is closer to God's essence as it is closer in proximity to his being.
Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Hey have you seen this disturbing video?
The black hebrew israelite nuts now have white followers.
Still the same bullshit.
RFLOL!! She is probably a nigga lover LOL! Wacko world, huh?!
quote: They go to revelation and claim Jesus is described as afro (wooly) haired. When it says his head is WHITE *like* wool. It's not describing any texture but the colour. Last time i checked negroids don't have white heads...
Yea, the BHI is filled with semi-literate and illiterate buffoons. You'd expect them to make a blunder like that.
Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
Sometimes, I think the whole BHI movement is some kind of Bizarro world episode LMAO!
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: The power of the dick maybe?? even if they are Hebrew Israelite.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
The ancient Hebrews were obviously Caucasoid, predominantly Mediterranid and Armenoid but they had some fairer traits through admixture with the Hittites (Leuco-Syrians). Laban ('white'), the uncle of Jacob, derived his name for his pale complexion, while his daughter, Leah, is described as blue eyed (Gen. 29: 17). King David, who was of probable Hittite ancestry, is described as red-haired in 1 Samuel.
This is how the Dead Sea Scrolls describe Noah:
4Q534 [4QMess ar]) Col. I ; from the hand two [. . .] a mark; red is his hair
It is evident from scripture alone, based on the ethnological or racial description of traits: red hair, blue eyes etc, that these peoples were Caucasoid.
The afrocentrics like to claim the Hebrews had afro hair texture, not true - just their fantasy.
A close-up of Jehu, king of Israel from the Black Obelisk (housed in the British Museum) -
You can clearly see he has wavy straight flowing hair, obviously not a negro.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Cass - Why are you so silly?
Note your source: Ancientreplicas.com
You DO know what "Replica" means, don't you?
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
^ It's just a website hosting the image i got off a google search.
The black obelisk is in the British Museum. It's an original artefact, i've seen it up close numerous times.
The Hebrews appear on this artefact as Caucasoid. There is nothing black about them.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
1) first, I am a Male, 6.2 Ft., 216 LBS athletic built former martial artist.
2) you are the last one to call anyone dumb, after the amount of slappings you've received time and time again!
3) What is it Wesley Muhammed has to do, with any of what I've cited from the Biblical source? did he write the Bible or even alter the Bible? My citations have nothing to do with his works, not that I am aware of, at least! I have a TANAKH RIGHT HERE AT HOME!
However, his works are internationally recognised by peer reviewed academic sources. Calling his works pseudo is laughable! Where are your works?! lol
4) Finally, your AshkeNazi babbles are meaningless, since I already have explained that the TANAKH IS BASED ON METAPHORS!
5) It doesn't matter what account you use and login with, you will aways be debunked. AS USUALLY!
MY PENTATEUCH Says
20:21(S:Maftir) מזבח אדמה תעשׂה־לי וזבחת עליו את־עלתיך ואת־שׁלמיך את־צאנך ואת־בקרך בכל־המקום אשׁר אזכיר את־שׁמי אבוא אליך וברכתיך׃
The cloud is a mental / spiritual condition. And so are the descriptions on COLOURS!!!!
Some of the individuals never existed in physical form, only in metaphysical and spiritual form!!
quote:Originally posted by facts: Dumb broad, the thick darkness the bible uses to describe the Lord's dwelling is the tempest and stormy clouds.
And the people remained [from a] distant and Moshe approached the tempestuous cloud which there was [found] Elohim (God.)
Get off Wesley Muhommed's pseudo dick!
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
God Dwells In Thick Darkness!
Exd 20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God [was].
Deu 4:11 And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.
Deu 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
1Ki 8:12 Then spake Solomon, The LORD said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.
2Ch 6:1 Then said Solomon, The LORD hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.
Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it, Joe 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, [even] to the years of many generations.
Zep 1:15 That day [is] a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
2Sa 22:12 And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, [and] thick clouds of the skies.
Psa 18:11 He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him [were] dark waters [and] thick clouds of the skies.
Job.38 [9] when I made clouds its garment, and thick darkness its swaddling band,
Ps.18 [9] He bowed the heavens, and came down; thick darkness was under his feet.
Ps.97 [2] Clouds and thick darkness are round about him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of his throne.
Isa.8 [22] and they will look to the earth, but behold, distress and darkness, the gloom of anguish; and they will be thrust into thick darkness.
Isa.60 [2] For behold, darkness shall cover the earth, and thick darkness the peoples; but the LORD will arise upon you, and his glory will be seen upon you.
Jer.2 [31] And you, O generation, heed the word of the LORD. Have I been a wilderness to Israel, or a land of thick darkness? Why then do my people say, `We are free, we will come no more to thee'?
Ezek.34 [12] As a shepherd seeks out his flock when some of his sheep have been scattered abroad, so will I seek out my sheep; and I will rescue them from all places where they have been scattered on a day of clouds and thick darkness.
Joel.2 [2] a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness! Like blackness there is spread upon the mountains a great and powerful people; their like has never been from of old, nor will be again after them through the years of all generations.
Zeph.1 [15] A day of wrath is that day, a day of distress and anguish, a day of ruin and devastation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
Sir.45 [5] He made him hear his voice, and led him into the thick darkness, and gave him the commandments face to face, the law of life and knowledge, to teach Jacob the covenant, and Israel his judgments.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: 1) first, I am a Male, 6.2 Ft., 194 LBS athletic built former martial artist.
2) you are the last one to call anyone dumb, after the amount of slappings you've received time and time again!
3) What is it Wesley Muhammed has to do, with any of what I've cited from the Biblical source? did he write the Bible or even alter the Bible? My citations have nothing to do with his works, not that I am aware of, at least!
However, his works are internationally recognised by peer reviewed academic sources. Calling his works pseudo is laughable! Where are your works?! lol
4) Finally, your AshkeNazi babbles are meaningless, since I already have explained that the TENACH IS BASED ON METAPHORS!
5) It doesn't matter what account you use and login with, you will aways be debunked. AS USUALLY!
quote:Originally posted by facts: Dumb broad, the thick darkness the bible uses to describe the Lord's dwelling is the tempest and stormy clouds.
And the people remained [from a] distant and Moshe approached the tempestuous cloud which there was [found] Elohim (God.)
Get off Wesley Muhommed's pseudo dick!
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
God Dwells In Thick Darkness!
Exd 20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God [was].
Deu 4:11 And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.
Deu 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
1Ki 8:12 Then spake Solomon, The LORD said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.
2Ch 6:1 Then said Solomon, The LORD hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.
Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it, Joe 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, [even] to the years of many generations.
Zep 1:15 That day [is] a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
2Sa 22:12 And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, [and] thick clouds of the skies.
Psa 18:11 He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him [were] dark waters [and] thick clouds of the skies.
Job.38 [9] when I made clouds its garment, and thick darkness its swaddling band,
Ps.18 [9] He bowed the heavens, and came down; thick darkness was under his feet.
Ps.97 [2] Clouds and thick darkness are round about him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of his throne.
Isa.8 [22] and they will look to the earth, but behold, distress and darkness, the gloom of anguish; and they will be thrust into thick darkness.
Isa.60 [2] For behold, darkness shall cover the earth, and thick darkness the peoples; but the LORD will arise upon you, and his glory will be seen upon you.
Jer.2 [31] And you, O generation, heed the word of the LORD. Have I been a wilderness to Israel, or a land of thick darkness? Why then do my people say, `We are free, we will come no more to thee'?
Ezek.34 [12] As a shepherd seeks out his flock when some of his sheep have been scattered abroad, so will I seek out my sheep; and I will rescue them from all places where they have been scattered on a day of clouds and thick darkness.
Joel.2 [2] a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness! Like blackness there is spread upon the mountains a great and powerful people; their like has never been from of old, nor will be again after them through the years of all generations.
Zeph.1 [15] A day of wrath is that day, a day of distress and anguish, a day of ruin and devastation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
Sir.45 [5] He made him hear his voice, and led him into the thick darkness, and gave him the commandments face to face, the law of life and knowledge, to teach Jacob the covenant, and Israel his judgments.
When the Old Testament was written, blacks were thousands of miles away in sub-sahara africa. The authors of the Old Testament didn't even know Negroids existed. Are you so dumb you think Biblical ethnography is not limited? Would you like to show me then where the eskimos, australian aborigines or black sub-saharan africans are in scripture? The authors had zero knowledge of lands outside of western asia, apart from the tip of north africa and a segment of europe. You simply aren't going to find negroes, abos or eskimos in scripture because the authors had no idea they existed.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Cass - When you run across the Albino, please point him out.
Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser II
(NOTE: HITTITES ARE OFTEN MENTIONED - WHITE MAN MYTH, THERE NEVER WERE ANY SUCH PEOPLE AS HITTITES. NO DOUBT THE ASSYRIANS WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HATTI.
Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser II
Translation
Text Source:
* Library collection: "World's Greatest Literature" * Published work: "Babylonian and Assyrian Literature" * Translator: Rev. A. H. Sayce, M.A. * Publisher: P. F. Collier & Son, New York * Copyright: Colonial Press, 1901
The text is indexed by lines, and every 5th line is marked with a HTML anchor for referencing.
Notes - (Page 238)
This inscription is engraved on an obelisk of black marble, five feet in height, found by Mr. Layard in the centre of the Mound at Nimroud, and now in the British Museum. Each of its four sides is divided into five compartments of sculpture representing the tribute brought to the Assyrian King by vassal princes, Jehu of Israel being among the number. Shalmaneser, whose annals and conquests are recorded upon it, was the son of Assur-natsir-pal, and died in 823 B.C., after a reign of thirty-five years. A translation of the inscription was one of the first achievements of Assyrian decipherment, and was made by Sir. H. Rawlinson; and Dr. Hincks shortly afterward (in 1851) succeeded in reading the name of Jehu in it. M. Oppert translated the inscription in his "Histoire des Empires de Chaldee et d'Assyrie," and M. Menant has given another rendering of it in his "Annales des Rois d'Assyrie" (1874). A copy of the text will be found in Layard's "Inscriptions in the Cuneiform Character" (1851).
Note: Jehu of Israel is not actually in the text: it is in the Epigraphs accompanying the sculptures as "Yahua son of Khumri".
Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser II (Pages 238-249)
Face A
[1] Assur, the great Lord, the King of all [2] the great gods; Anu, King of the spirits of heaven [3] and the spirits of earth, the god, Lord of the world; Bel [4] the Supreme, Father of the gods, the Creator; [5] Hea, King of the deep, determiner of destinies, [6] the King of crowns, drinking in brilliance; [7] Rimmon, the crowned hero, Lord of canals; the Sun-god [8] the Judge of heaven and earth, the urger on of all; [9] (Merodach), Prince of the gods, Lord of battles; Adar, the terrible, [10] (Lord) of the spirits of heaven and the spirits of earth, the exceeding strong god; Nergal, [11] the powerful (god), King of the battle; Nebo, the bearer of the high sceptre, [12] the god, the Father above; Beltis, the wife of Bel, mother of the (great) gods; [13] Istar, sovereign of heaven and earth, who the face of heroism perfectest; [14] the great (gods), determining destinies, making great my kingdom. [15] (I am) Shalmaneser, King of multitudes of men, prince (and) hero of Assur, the strong King, [16] King of all the four zones of the Sun (and) of multitudes of men, the marcher over [17] the whole world; Son of Assur-natsir-pal, the supreme hero, who his heroism over the gods [18] has made good and has caused all the world to kiss his feet;
Face B
[19] the noble offspring of Tiglath-Adar [20] who has laid his yoke upon all lands hostile to him, and [21] has swept (them) like a whirlwind. [22] At the beginning of my reign, when on the throne [23] of royalty mightily I had seated myself, the chariots [24] of my host I collected. Into the lowlands of the country of 'Sime'si [25] I descended. The city of Aridu, the strong city [26] of Ninni, I took. In my first year [27] the Euphrates in its flood I crossed. To the sea of the setting sun [28] I went. My weapons on the sea I rested. Victims [29] for my gods I took. To mount Amanus I went up. [30] Logs of cedar-wood and pine-wood I cut. To [31] the country of Lallar I ascended. An image of my Royalty in the midst (of it) I erected. [32] In my second year to the city of Tel-Barsip I approached. The cities [33] of Akhuni the son of Adin I captured. In his city I shut him up. The Euphrates [34] in its flood I crossed. The city of Dabigu, a choice city of the Hittites [35] together with the cities which (were) dependent upon it I captured. In my third year Akhuni [36] the son of Adin, from the face of my mighty weapons fled, and the city of Tel-Barsip,
Face C
[37] his royal city, he fortified. The Euphrates I crossed. [38] The city unto Assyria I restored. I took it. (The town) which (is) on the further side [39] of the Euphrates which (is) upon the river 'Sagurri, which the Kings [40] of the Hittites call the city of Pitru, [41] for myself I took. At my return [42] into the lowlands of the country of Alzi I descended. The country of Alzi I conquered. [43] The countries of Dayaeni (and) Elam, (and) the city of Arzascunu, the royal city [44] of Arame of the country of the Armenians, the country of Gozan (and) the country of Khupuscia. [45] During the eponymy of Dayan-Assur from the city of Nineveh I departed. The Euphrates [46] in its upper part I crossed. After Akhuni the son of Adin I went. [47] The heights on the banks of the Euphrates as his stronghold he made. [48] The mountains I attacked, I captured. Akhuni with his gods, his chariots, [49] his horses, his sons (and) his daughters I carried away. To my city Assur [50] I brought (them). In that same year the country of Kullar I crossed. To the country of Zamua [51] of Bit-Ani I went down. The cities of Nigdiara of the city of the Idians [52] (and) Nigdima I captured. In my fifth year to the country of Kasyari I ascended. [53] The strongholds I captured. Elkhitti of the Serurians (in) his city I shut up. His tribute [54] to a large amount I received. In my sixth year to the cities on the banks of the river Balikhi
Face D
[55] I approached. Gi'ammu, their Governor, I smote. [56] To the city of Tel-abil-akhi I descended. [57] The Euphrates in its upper part I crossed. [58] The tribute of the Kings of the Hittites [59] all of them I received. In those days Rimmon-idri [60] of Damascus, Irkhulina of Hamath,. and the Kings [61] of the Hittites and of the sea-coasts to the forces of each other [62] trusted, and to make war and battle [63] against me came. By the command of Assur, the great Lord, my Lord, [64] with them I fought. A destruction of them I made. [65] Their chariots, their war-carriages, their war-material I took from them. [66] 20,500 of their fighting men with arrows I slew. [67] In my seventh year to the cities of Khabini of the city of Tel-Abni I went. [68] The City of Tel-Abni, his stronghold, together with the cities which (were) dependent on it I captured. [69] To the head of the river, the springs of the Tigris, the place where the waters rise, I went. [70] The weapons of Assur in the midst (of it) I rested. Sacrifices for my gods I took. Feasts and rejoicing [71] I made. An image of my Royalty of large size I constructed. The laws of Assur my Lord, the records [72] of my victories, whatsoever in the world I had done, in the midst of it I wrote. In the middle (of the country) I set (it) up.
Face A, base
[73] In my eighth year, Merodach-suma-iddin King of Gan-Dunias [74] did Merodach-bila-yu'sate his foster-brother against him rebel; [75] strongly had he fortified (the land). To exact punishment [76] against Merodach-suma-iddin I went. The city of the waters of the Dhurnat I took. [77] In my ninth campaign a second time to the land of Accad I went. [78] The city of Gana-nate I besieged. Merodach-bila-yu'sate exceeding fear [79] of Assur (and) Merodach overwhelmed, and to save his life to [80] the mountains he ascended. After him I rode. Merodach-bila-yu'sate (and) the officers [81] the rebels who (were) with him (with) arrows I slew. To the great fortresses [82] I went. Sacrifices in Babylon, Borsippa, (and) Cuthah I made. [83] Thanksgivings to the great gods I offered up. To the country of Kaldu I descended. Their cities I captured. [84] The tribute of the Kings of the country of Kaldu I received. The greatness of my arms as far as the sea overwhelmed. [85] In my tenth year for the eighth time the Euphrates I crossed. The cities of 'Sangara of the city of the Carchemishians I captured. [86] To the cities of Arame I approached. Arne his royal city with 100 of his (other) towns I captured. [87] In my eleventh year for the ninth time the Euphrates I crossed. Cities to a countless number I captured. To the cities of the Hittites [88] of the land of the Hamathites I went down. Eighty-nine cities I took. Rimmon-idri of Damascus (and) twelve of the Kings of the Hittites [89] with one another's forces strengthened themselves. A destruction of them I made. In my twelfth campaign for the tenth time the Euphrates I crossed. [90] To the land of Pagar-khubuna I went. Their spoil I carried away. In my thirteenth year to the country of Yaeti I ascended. [91] Their spoil I carried away. In my fourteenth year the country I assembled; the Euphrates I crossed. Twelve Kings against me had come. [92] I fought. A destruction of them I made. In my fifteenth year among the sources of the Tigris (and) the Euphrates I went. An image [93] of my Majesty in their hollows I erected. In my sixteenth year the waters of the Zab I crossed. To the country of Zimri [94] I went. Merodach-mudammik King of the land of Zimru to save his life (the mountains) ascended. His treasure [95] his army (and) his gods to Assyria I brought. Yan'su son of Khanban to the kingdom over them I raised.
Face B, base
[96] In my seventeenth year the Euphrates I crossed. To the land of Amanus I ascended. Logs [97] of cedar I cut. In my eighteenth year for the sixteenth time the Euphrates I crossed. Hazael [98] of Damascus to battle came. 1,221 of his chariots, 470 of his war-carriages with [99] his camp I took from him. In my nineteenth campaign for the eighteenth time the Euphrates I crossed. To the land of Amanus [100] I ascended. Logs of cedar I cut. In my 20th year for the 20th time the Euphrates [101] I crossed. To the land of Kahue I went down. Their cities I captured. Their spoil [102] I carried off. In my 21st campaign, for the 21st time the Euphrates I crossed. To the cities [103] of Hazael of Damascus I went. Four of his fortresses I took. The tribute of the Tyrians, [104] the Zidonians (and) the Gebalites I received. In my 22d campaign for the 22d time the Euphrates [105] I crossed. To the country of Tabalu I went down. In those days (as regards) the 24 [106] Kings of the country of Tabalu their wealth I received. To conquer [107] the mines of silver, of salt and of stone for sculpture I went. In my 23d year [108] the Euphrates I crossed. The city of Uetas, his strong city, [109] (which belonged) to Lalla of the land of the Milidians I captured. The Kings of the country of Tabalu [110] had set out. Their tribute I received. In my 24th year, the lower Zab [111] I crossed. The land of Khalimmur I passed through. To the land of Zimru [112] I went down. Yan'su King of the Zimri from the face [113] of my mighty weapons fled and to save his life [114] ascended (the mountains). The cities of 'Sikhisatakh, Bit-Tamul, Bit-Sacci [115] (and) Bit-Sedi, his strong cities, I captured. His fighting men I slew. [116] His spoil I carried away. The cities I threw down, dug up, (and) with fire burned. [117] The rest of them to the mountains ascended. The peaks of the mountains [118] I attacked, I captured. Their fighting men I slew. Their spoil (and) their goods [119] I caused to be brought down. From the country of Zimru I departed. The tribute of 27 Kings [120] of the country of Par'sua I received. From the country of Par'sua I departed. To [121] the strongholds of the country of the Amadai, (and) the countries of Arazias (and) Kharkhar I went down. [122] The cities of Cua-cinda, Khazzanabi, Ermul, [123] (and) Cin-ablila with the cities which were dependent on them I captured. Their fighting men
Face C, base
[124] I slew. Their spoil I carried away. The cities I threw down, dug up (and) burned with fire. An image of my Majesty [125] in the country of Kharkhara I set up. Yan'su son of Khaban with his abundant treasures [126] his gods, his sons, his daughters, his soldiers in large numbers I carried off. To Assyria I brought (them). In my 25th campaign [127] the Euphrates at its flood I crossed. The tribute of the Kings of the Hittites, all of them, I received. The country of Amanus [128] I traversed. To the cities of Cati of the country of the Kahuians I descended. The city of Timur, his strong city [129] I besieged, I captured. Their fighting men I slew. Its spoil I carried away. The cities to a countless number I threw down, dug up, [130] (and) burned with fire. On my return, the city of Muru, the strong city of Arame the son of Agu'si, [131] (as) a possession for myself I took. Its entrance-space I marked out. A palace, the seat of my Majesty, in the middle (of it) I founded. [132] In my 26th year for the seventh time the country of the Amanus I traversed. For the fourth time to the cities of Cati [133] of the country of the Kahuians I went. The city of Tanacun, the strong city of Tulca I approached. Exceeding fear [134] of Assur my Lord overwhelmed him and (when) he had come out my feet he took. His hostages I took. Silver, gold, [135] iron, oxen, (and) sheep, (as) his tribute I received. From the city of Tanacun I departed. To the country of Lamena [136] I went. The men collected themselves. An inaccessible mountain they occupied. The peak of the mountain I assailed, [137] I took. Their fighting men I slew. Their spoil, their oxen, their sheep, from the midst of the mountain I brought down. [138] Their cities I threw down, dug up (and) burned with fire. To the city of Khazzi I went. My feet they took. Silver (and) gold, [139] their tribute, I received. Cirri, the brother of Cati to the sovereignty over them [140] I set. On my return to the country of Amanus I ascended. Beams of cedar I cut, [141] I removed, to my city Assur I brought. In my 27th year the chariots of my armies I mustered. Dayan-Assur [142] the Tartan, the Commander of the wide-spreading army, at the head of my army to the country of Armenia I urged, [143] I sent. To Bit-Zamani he descended. Into the low ground to the city of Ammas he went down. The river Arzane he crossed. [144] 'Seduri of the country of the Armenians heard, and to the strength of his numerous host [145] he trusted; and to make conflict (and) battle against me he came. With him I fought. [146] A destruction of him I made. With the flower of his youth his broad fields I filled. In my 28th year [147] when in the city of Calah I was stopping news had been brought (me, that) men of the Patinians [148] Lubarni their Lord had slain (and) 'Surri (who was) not heir to the throne to the kingdom had raised. [149] Dayan-Assur the Tartan, the Commander of the widespreading army at the head of my host (and) my camp [150] I urged, I sent. The Euphrates in its flood he crossed. In the city of Cinalua his royal city [151] a slaughter he made. (As for) 'Surri the usurper, exceeding fear of Assur my Lord [152] overwhelmed him, and the death of his destiny he went. The men of the country of the Patinians from before the sight of my mighty weapons
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[153] fled, and the children of 'Surri together with the soldiers, the rebels, (whom) they had taken they delivered to me. [154] Those soldiers on stakes I fixed. 'Sa'situr of the country of Uzza my feet took. To the kingdom [155] over them I placed (him). Silver, gold, lead, bronze, iron, (and) the horns of wild bulls to a countless number I received. [156] An image of my Majesty of great size I made. In the city of Cinalua his royal city in the temple of his gods I set it up. In [157] my 29th year (my) army (and) camp I urged, I sent. To the country of Cirkhi I ascended. Their cities I threw down, [158] dug up, (and) burned with fire. Their country like a thunderstorm I swept. Exceeding [159] fear over them I cast. In my 30th year when in the city of Calah I was stopping, Dayan-Assur [160] the Tartan, the Commander of the wide-spreading army at the head of my army I urged, I sent. The river Zab [161] he crossed. To the midst of the cities of the city of Khupusca he approached. The tribute of Datana [162] of the city of the Khupuscians I received. From the midst of the cities of the Khupuscians [163] I departed. To the midst of the cities of Maggubbi of the country of the Madakhirians he approached. The tribute [164] I received. From the midst of the cities of the country of the Madakhirians he departed. To the midst of the cities of Udaci [165] of the country of the Mannians he approached. Udaci of the country of the Mannians from before the sight of my mighty weapons [166] fled, and the city of Zirta, his royal city, he abandoned. To save his life he ascended (the mountains). [167] After him I pursued. His oxen, his sheep, his spoil, to a countless amount I brought back. His cities [168] I threw down, dug up, (and) burned with fire. From the country of the Mannians he departed. To the cities of Sulu'sunu of the country of Kharru [169] he approached. The city of Mairsuru, his royal city, together with the cities which depended on it he captured. (To) Sulu'sunu [170] together with his sons mercy I granted. To his country I restored him. A payment (and) tribute of horses I imposed. [171] My yoke upon him I placed. To the city of Surdira he approached. The tribute of Arta-irri [172] of the city of the Surdirians I received. To the country of Par'sua I went down. The tribute of the Kings [173] of the country of Par'sua I received. (As for) the rest of the country of Par'sua which did not reverence Assur, its cities [174] I captured. Their spoil, their plunder to Assyria I brought. In my 31st year, the second time, the cyclical-feast [175] of Assur and Rimmon I had inaugurated. At the time while I was stopping in the city of Calah, Dayan-Assur [176] the Tartan, the Commander of my wide-spreading army, at the head of my army (and) my camp I urged, I sent. [177] To the cities of Data of the country of Khupusca he approached. The tribute I received. [178] To the city of Zapparia, a stronghold of the country of Muzatsira, I went. The city of Zapparia together with [179] forty-six cities of the city of the Muzatsirians I captured. Up to the borders of the country of the Armenians [180] I went. Fifty of their cities I threw down, dug up (and) burned with fire. To the country of Guzani I went down. The tribute [181] of Upu of the country of the Guzanians, of the country of the Mannians, of the country of the Buririans, of the country of the Kharranians, [182] of the country of the Sasganians, of the country of the Andians, (and) of the country of the Kharkhanians, oxen, sheep, (and) horses [183] trained to the yoke I received. To the cities of the country of . . . I went down. The city of Perria [184] (and) the city of Sitivarya, its strongholds, together with 22 cities which depended upon it, I threw down, dug up [185] (and) burned with fire. Exceeding fear over them I cast. To the cities of the Parthians he went. [186] The cities of Bustu, Sala-khamanu (and) Cini-khamanu, fortified towns, together with 23 cities [187] which depended upon them I captured. Their fighting-men I slew. Their spoil I carried off. To the country of Zimri I went down. [188] Exceeding fear of Assur (and) Merodach overwhelmed them. Their cities they abandoned. To [189] inaccessible mountains they ascended. Two hundred and fifty of their cities I threw down, dug up (and) burned with fire. [190] Into the lowground of Sime'si at the head of the country of Khalman I went down.
The Epigraphs accompanying the sculptures
[1] The tribute of 'Su'a of the country of the Guzanians: silver, gold, lead, articles of bronze, sceptres for the King's hand, horses (and) camels with double backs: I received. [2] The tribute of Yahua son of Khumri: silver, gold, bowls of gold, vessels of gold, goblets of gold, pitchers of gold, lead, sceptres for the King's hand, (and) staves: I received. [3] The tribute of the country of Muzri: camels with double backs, an ox of the river 'Saceya, horses, wild asses, elephants, (and) apes: I received. [4] The tribute of Merodach-pal-itstsar of the country of the 'Sukhians: silver, gold, pitchers of gold, tusks of the wild bull, staves, antimony, garments of many colors, (and) linen: I received. [5] The tribute of Garparunda of the country of the Patinians: silver, gold, lead, bronze, gums, articles of bronze, tusks of wild bulls, (and) ebony: I received.
End of Translation.
The following four pictures are of the Israelite part of the Black Obelisk.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Cass - I think that this might be an authentic close-up of Jehu.
Never mind, the stone is too dull, must be a copy.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
When the Old Testament was written, blacks were thousands of miles away in sub-sahara africa. The authors of the Old Testament didn't even know Negroids existed. Are you so dumb you think Biblical ethnography is not limited? Would you like to show me then where the eskimos, australian aborigines or black sub-saharan africans are in scripture? The authors had zero knowledge of lands outside of western asia, apart from the tip of north africa and a segment of europe. You simply aren't going to find negroes, abos or eskimos in scripture because the authors had no idea they existed.
This is only in your CACASOID FANTASY and that of your authors!!!!
I ALREADY TOLD YOU THE COMPOSITION WAS MADE BY Hg J* and E* carriers.
The Arabian plateau is genographically, linguistically, ethnographically, culturally closer to AFRICA!!!!!
Those who are familiar with the Arabian plateau know that at least halve of the populations demographically is. WHAT YOU CALL BLACK!!! Dana has elaborated on this part extensively! So did others by the way.
And they do go WAY BACK!!!!
So no matter how you twist it.. you will always loose .LOL
As you probebly already know, there is Northern Arabic and Southern Arabic. We also know that Arabic actually split from Afroasian as the original proto-Arabic speakers from Africa moved into the Levant. Further into Southwest Asia. Where it evolved into a Semitic branch.
And, we know that Northern Arabic speakers came from the region of the Crescent, and aren't native to Yemen, but are recent immigrants.
Khaled K Abu-Amero et al.
Mitochondrial DNA structure in the Arabian Peninsula
Two potential migratory routes followed by modern humans to colonize Eurasia from Africa have been proposed. These are the two natural passageways that connect both continents: the northern route through the Sinai Peninsula and the southern route across the Bab al Mandab strait.
Recent archaeological and genetic evidence have favored a unique southern coastal route. Under this scenario, the study of the population genetic structure of the Arabian Peninsula, the first step out of Africa, to search for primary genetic links between Africa and Eurasia, is crucial.
The haploid and maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) molecule has been the most used genetic marker to identify and to relate lineages with clear geographic origins, as the African Ls and the Eurasian M and N that have a common root with the Africans L3.
"Particularly, Yemen has the largest contribution of L lineages (30). So, most probably, this area was the entrance gate of a portion of these lineages in prehistoric times, which participated in the building of the primitive Arabian population."
Viktor Černý1 et al.
Migration of Chadic speaking pastoralists within Africa based on population structure of Chad Basin and phylogeography of mitochondrial L3f haplogroup
Quote:
We use high-resolution genetic data to investigate the genetic and linguistic support for hypotheses concerning the population history in the Chad Basin. The mitochondrial L3f3 haplogroup is found almost exclusively in Chadic speaking populations and its TMRCA corresponds well with archaeological and linguistic dates of the proposed migration of Chadic speaking pastoralists from East or North East Africa to the Chad Basin.
Haplogroup L3f is defined by the coding variants
3396-4218-15514-15944del and the control region motif 16209–16519 with a TMRCA of 57,100 ± 9,400 YBP. This haplogroup diversifies into sub-haplogroups L3f1, L3f2 and L3f3. The most geographically widespread sub-haplogroup is L3f1, which is distributed across the African continent [3] and also Arabia [32,33] and has a TMRCA of 48,600 ± 11,500 YBP.
..."The youngest clade, L3f1b2, seems to be more frequent in the Middle East. L3f1a seems to be older (37,700 ± 10,000 YBP) than its sister sub-haplogroup L3f1b and is also less diversified. A few samples from Chad belong to these sub-haplogroups: two to L3f1a and one to L3f1b3."
"We then estimated pairwise FST genetic distances between populations (Additional file 4) and displayed these on a MDS plot (Figure 3). Interesting results are immediately evident – while Chadic populations form a relatively homogeneous group, the Cushitic populations split into two completely different clusters. The first group is composed of Horn of African populations, such as Ethiopian and Somali Cushitic populations, which are close to neighbouring Ethiopian Semitic speaking groups and relatively close also to Chadic people from the Chad Basin.
The second Cushitic group is composed by more southern groups from Tanzania, i.e. Burunge and Iraqw, who occupy outlier positions even within the Afro-Asiatic MDS plot. In the MDS plot, geography is more strongly associated with genetic distance than is linguistic affiliation.
It is known and generally accepted that the original Arabs came from and arose at Yemen.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
Read the above again, to understand more about the composition!
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by facts: You'd do real well to hush your pie hole on matters which evade your comprehension of scripture, fool. The Hebrews ALWAYS used observed realities to express as metaphors, pointing to higher social, intellectual and spiritual meanings. So, while their writing is filled with metaphors, these are all rooted in actual persons, places and things. The example Cass provided is an excellent one as it points to an historical event which the Hebrews interpreted to mean something spiritual. Noah was born with Aryan features that the Hebrews only knew to be associated with the gods (angels). Thus, his birth signaled an apocalyptic event on the horizon.
Now, shut your trap. You have been schooled, once again.
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: The Bible is based on metaphors.
Noah was most likely a Sumerian king or ruler. Most of Genesis after all is rooted in pre-Semitic Mesopotamian history. There are certain parallels between Noah and the Sumerian and Babylonian flood hero's, for example Ziusudra (Xisuthros), all who seem to have been rooted on a Sumerian historical figure. So most the Bible is in fact historically valid, the archaeologist Leonard Woolley claimed to have discovered the flood strata at Ur, so the flood was probably localised. The Hebrew for 'earth' (eretz) does not mean the entire globe, but just a localised area.
"the storm had swept...for seven days and seven nights" — Ziusudra 203 "For seven days and seven nights came the storm" — Atrahasis III,iv, 24 "Six days and seven nights the wind and storm" — Gilgamesh XI, 127 "rain fell upon the earth forty days and forty nights" — Genesis 7:12
Now if we take a look at the extent of geography the Book of Genesis deals with:
- The ethnography only deals with Caucasoids, predominantly from Western Asia, but small segments of Europe were known such as Greece, and only the northern tip of north africa.
Negroids from sub-sahara africa were not known until far later in antiquity.
Paul Heinisch in his History of the Old Testament (1952) notes that the Jews had no knowledge of Negroids and in regards to the ethnographic table (Gen. x) he clearly points out (p. 32):
''No reference is made to the Indians, Negroes, Mongolians, Malayans, Chinese, Japanese, etc. The author names only the peoples within his sphere of knowledge.''
The Ethiopia (Kush) of Genesis is Arabia.
''And the name of the third river is the Tigris, which flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates'' (Gen. ii. 14; ESV).
The Tigris and Euphrates do not flow into Africa and as Professor Alexander Winchell (1880) asserts: ''As long as we locate Kush in the heart of Africa, this passage is unintelligible; but when we seek for Kush in the Arabian peninsula, we apprehend at least a geographical relation to the rivers of Eden'' (Preadamites, p. 91).
Alternitively Kush could have been in Mesopotamia, as you had the Kassites and Kish, but i prefer to think of it being in Arabia, but whatever its exact location it was not in africa.
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: The ancient Hebrews were obviously Caucasoid, predominantly Mediterranid and Armenoid but they had some fairer traits through admixture with the Hittites (Leuco-Syrians). Laban ('white'), the uncle of Jacob, derived his name for his pale complexion, while his daughter, Leah, is described as blue eyed (Gen. 29: 17). King David, who was of probable Hittite ancestry, is described as red-haired in 1 Samuel.
This is how the Dead Sea Scrolls describe Noah:
4Q534 [4QMess ar]) Col. I ; from the hand two [. . .] a mark; red is his hair
It is evident from scripture alone, based on the ethnological or racial description of traits: red hair, blue eyes etc, that these peoples were Caucasoid.
The afrocentrics like to claim the Hebrews had afro hair texture, not true - just their fantasy.
A close-up of Jehu, king of Israel from the Black Obelisk (housed in the British Museum) -
You can clearly see he has wavy straight flowing hair, obviously not a negro.
2 Kings 10:31
But Jehu took no heed to walk in the law of the LORD God of Israel with all his heart; for he did not depart from the sins of Jeroboam, who had made Israel sin.
ODDLY, SINCE TRADITIONALLY BOWING FOR MAN IS FORBIDDEN!
Gen. 29: 17
Laban was his name....and nowhere in the passage it speaks of pale skin. The passage speaks of beauty and ugly as in character/ human nature.
For example, yours is very ugly.
Lastly, the word in Hebrew doesn't mean redhair, But brown with a reddish undertone.
אַדְמֹונִי NOWHERE DOES IT MEAN RED, let alone hair, BUT FOR CREASY EUROS DOES!
It merely speaks of an emotion. Likely a Kabbalah ritual!
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by facts: -God covers his nakedness in whiteness-
So, while Wesley argues that God dwells or hides himself in thick darkness, God also envelops his nakedness in PURE WHITENESS. Why doesn't he teach that too? He is a charlatan with a Ph.d. But of course, his following is the deaf, dumb, and blind, thereby, he is able to present a salable pseudo teaching to these fools like Troll Patrol.
Take a look for yourself:
Daniel 7.9 (in-part): "[L]evushe k'tlag khivar..."
Translation:
"[His] vestment is pale as snow"
A stronger argument can be made that the color white is closer to God's essence as it is closer in proximity to his being.
I really don't know what it is, you think I am influenced by his teachings?
7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Entry from World dictionary
garment
noun an item of clothing that is worn over other clothes, especially outdoors.
It's clear you have a problem with Ph.D. Wesley Muhammad. He was here last year on this forum. You could have confronted him then, but you choose not. For obvious reasons. He has stated openly that he is looking for challenge....it appears that you think you're up to par.
I believe Dana knows him. Maybe we can arranged something. Although I doubt you are worthy his time. You can barely write a proper sentence. And i think in order for this to happen you have to forward your curriculum vita.
But IMHO I think it would be nice to see him teach some more about theophany.
I am really looking towards to this one by him:
quote:
Sapphiric God:
Esoteric Speculation on the Divine Body in Post-Biblical Jewish Tradition
(Forthcoming in the Harvard Theological Review)
A sapphiric-bodied deity, that is to say a deity (often a creator-deity) with an anthropomorphic body the color and substance of the mythologically significant semiprecious stone sapphire/lapis lazuli was a common ancient Near Eastern motif. As participant in the shared ANE mythological tradition could Israel envision her god similarly? We suggest that Israel could. By examining a number of post-biblical Jewish literatures we seek to demonstrate the existence in (at least) post-biblical Judaism(s) of a probably esoteric tradition of a sapphiric-bodied Yahweh. We also make an attempt to understand the mythological significance of a ‘sapphiric Yahweh’ in the context of the ancient Near Eastern tradition. While a much more comprehensive study is required in order to determine whether this Jewish ‘Sapphiric God’ tradition is indeginous or the result of some later syncretism, the former seems more likely. If so, this tradition further demonstrates that the god of Israel and the gods of the ancient Near East differed less than has been traditionally supposed.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by facts:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Hey have you seen this disturbing video?
The black hebrew israelite nuts now have white followers.
Still the same bullshit.
RFLOL!! She is probably a nigga lover LOL! Wacko world, huh?!
quote: They go to revelation and claim Jesus is described as afro (wooly) haired. When it says his head is WHITE *like* wool. It's not describing any texture but the colour. Last time i checked negroids don't have white heads...
Yea, the BHI is filled with semi-literate and illiterate buffoons. You'd expect them to make a blunder like that.
LOL at this fault language. It reminds my of the AshkeNazi tenakh, the Babylonian one!
We know what happened!
Isaiah 20:4 So shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians prisoners, and the Ethiopians captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, even with their buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt.
Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
Maybe we can arranged something.
quote: You can barely write a proper sentence.
Learn your verb conjugation so you can construct a sentence properly before you try to come at me like that LMAO!!!
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by facts:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
Maybe we can arranged something.
quote: You can barely write a proper sentence.
Learn your verb conjugation so you can construct a sentence properly before you try to come at me like that LMAO!!!
LOOOL ENGLISH IS NOT MY FIRST LANGUAGE, SO SOMETIMES I MAY LEAVE SOME VERB CONJUGATION OUT BY ACCIDENT. HOWEVER, I AM MULTILINGUAL!
YOU LIVE IN AN ENGLISH SPEAKING NATION, YET MAKE GRAMMATICAL FAULT AFTHER FAULT! LOOOOOL THIS REALLY SPEAKS VOLUMES!
THE FACT REMAINS THAT YOU CAN'T BARALY WRITE A PROPER ENLISH SENTENCE! And of course not one word about a challenge!
LOL @ "Noah was born with Aryan..." Aryans are Iranians!
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
^ Aryans include all historic Indo-Europeans (IE's). The Iranians were just one small branch of Aryans or Indo-Europeans.
Noah was Aryan. This is obvious if you study the roots of the deluge myth, it originated with PRE-Semites. Recent linguistic evidence shows Indo-European was spoken in Mesopotamia before the Babylonians and Akkadians arrived. The Semitic colonists then borrowed their myths from the earlier Sumerian peoples who were non-Semitic.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:It's clear you have a problem with Ph.D. Wesley Muhammad
A PhD in what?
Most these afrocentrics have degrees in fields completely non relevant to the subjects they preach. They are pure charlatans.
Clyde Winters for example has a PhD in psychology, yet claims to be an authority on ancient historical topics, lol. His PhD is completely bogus in a non-relevant field.
Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
I had to straighten out Betty boo not to long ago, and it seems that I have done the same with you! Oh, and its 'barely,' not "baraly." Now, why would I need to challenge Wesley? I gain nothing from it. The fact still remains that he is incorrect in his 'exegesis' on God's body. No legitimate Hebrew scholar promotes that BS he peddles to the deaf dumb and blind Negroes.
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:Originally posted by facts:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
Maybe we can arranged something.
quote: You can barely write a proper sentence.
Learn your verb conjugation so you can construct a sentence properly before you try to come at me like that LMAO!!!
LOOOL ENGLISH IS NOT MY FIRST LANGUAGE, SO SOMETIMES I MAY LEAVE SOME VERB CONJUGATION OUT BY ACCIDENT. HOWEVER, I AM MULTILINGUAL!
YOU LIVE IN AN ENGLISH SPEAKING NATION, YET MAKE GRAMMATICAL FAULT AFTHER FAULT! LOOOOOL THIS REALLY SPEAKS VOLUMES!
THE FACT REMAINS THAT YOU CAN'T BARALY WRITE A PROPER ENLISH SENTENCE! And of course not one word about a challenge!
LOL @ "Noah was born with Aryan..." Aryans are Iranians!
Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
Anglo_Pyramidologist, Wesley has a Ph.d in Islamic Studies. Does that qualify him as an expert in Jewish history and ancient Hebrew writings? You can go to this site to view his bio:
quote:It's clear you have a problem with Ph.D. Wesley Muhammad
A PhD in what?
Most these afrocentrics have degrees in fields completely non relevant to the subjects they preach. They are pure charlatans.
Clyde Winters for example has a PhD in psychology, yet claims to be an authority on ancient historical topics, lol. His PhD is completely bogus in a non-relevant field.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
The AskheNazi is talking to himself again. In the meanwhile....
The Earliest Known Image of the Virgin Mary (Circa 150 CE)
In reality most dialects classified as Semitic are found in Ethiopia and these have been found to not deviate enough from the so called Cushitic language group to qualify as a separate linguistic group thus the terms Semitic and Hamitic have fallen into disfavour among modern linguists and other academics and the name AfroAsiatic has come to be used to comprise both language groups. In fact, the original culture of Abraham and early “Semitic” populations are widespread in Africa and even unmodified in some cases. Similarly deities that were venerated by Semitic speaking people of Asia, such as “the Aramaeans” and “the Akkadians” are still found among Ethiopians and other Africans.
The following quotes are from 19th and early 20th century Western historians, whom unlike today’s historians, understood the strong connection of the original Arabians with the Ethiopic peoples of Africa.
1869 “The Cushites. the first inhabitants of Arabia, are known in the national traditions by the name of Adites, from their progenitor, who is called Ad, the grandson of Ham.” — The New Larned History for Ready Reference Reading and Research, 1922 citing F. Lenormant, Manual of Ancient History, bk. 7, ch. 2. published 1869.
1869 - “To the Cushite race belongs the oldest and purest Arabian blood, and also that great and very ancient civilization whose ruins abound in almost every district of the country….The south Arabs represent a residue of hamitic populations which at one time occupied the whole of Arabia. “ John Baldwin from Pre-historic nations or inquiries Concerning Some of the Great peoples and Civilizations of Antiquity; Harpers 1869.
1881 “ A third body of the Cushites went to the north of the Egypt and founded, on the east of the Delta, the kingdom of the so-called Hyksos , whom tradition designated sometimes as Phoenicians sometimes as Arabians, and in both cases rightly…Lepsius has proved by excellent reasons the Cushite origins of the Hyksos statues from San (Tanis) now in the museum of Boulaq and has made more than merely probable the immigration of the Cushites into the region of the Delta…” p. 402 Heinrich Karl Brugsh in A History of Egypt Under the Pharaohs Derived Entirely from the Monuments, published by John Murray 1881, Vol 2, 2nd edition.
1872 - “Mr. Baldwin draws a marked distinction between the modern Mahomedan Semitic population of Arabia and their great Cushite, Hamite, or Ethiopian predecessors. The former, he says, ‘are comparatively modern in Arabia,’ they have ‘appropriated the reputation of the old race,’ and have unduly occupied the chief attention of modern scholars.” Traditions, Superstitions and Folklore, Charles Hardwick , Manchester A. Ireland and Company, 1872
1891 - …the Cushite Arabians and the Chaldeans, the founders of the first historic civilization in Babylonia being certainly Hamitic, though early mixed with Semitic tribes, long before Assyrian rule. Charles William Hutson , The Beginnings of Civilization, The Columbian Publishing Co., New York. 1891.
1902 - “Among ‘these Negroid features which may be counted normal in Arabs are the full, rather everted lips, shortness and width of nose, certain blanks in the bearded areas of the face between the lower lip and chin and on the cheeks; large, luscious,gazelle-like eyes, a dark brown complexion, and a tendency for the hair to grow in ringlets. Often the features of the more Negroid Arabs are derivatives of Dravidian India rather than inheritances of Hamitic Africa. Although the Arab of today is sharply differentiated from the Negro of Africa, yet there must have been a time when both were represented by a single ancestral stock; in no other way can the prevalence of certain Negroid features be accounted for in the natives of Arabia.” by Henry Field Anthropology, Memoirs Field Museum Press Anthropology, Memoirs Arabs of Central Iraq; Their History, Ethnology and Physical C haracters, Anthropology Memoirs Volume 4,
1923 “There is a considerable mass of evidence to show that there was a very close resemblance between the proto-Egyptians and the Arabs before either became intermingled with Armenoid racial elements.” Elliot Smith p. 54 The Ancient Egyptians and the Origins of Civilization, p.61 2007, earliest publication 1923.
1948 - “In Arabia the first inhabitants were probably a dark-skinned, shortish population intermediate, between the African Hamites and the Dravidians of India and forming a single African Asiatic belt with these. From the Handbook of the Territories which form the Theatre of Operations of the Iraq Petroleum Company Limited and its Associated Companies, First Edition, Compiled in the Companies Head office at 214 Oxford Street London 1948.
By the middle of the 20th century, whether due to the corresponding withdrawal of European colonialists from many lands or the establishment of modern Europeans in Syria/Palestine and consequent flourishing of "Biblical archeology", many Western historians became less acquainted or familiar with the early documented history and genealogical traditions of the Arabian peoples. Meanwhile, the notion of a race of “black Caucasoids” had already been established in the late 19th century and the idea of different colored children of Noah that developed in the 1st centuries after Christ in Muslim and Judaeo-Christian tradition had come to permeate the interpretation of Afro-Asiatic or Arabian genealogy.
WHEN ARABIA WAS “EASTERN ETHIOPIA” Part 2
HOW THE AFRO-ASIATIC HERITAGE WAS NEARLY LOST
Most in the west are mainly familiar with images of high class and wealthy “Arabs”. African-looking Arabians that are indigenous are often isolated from the metropolises of Arabia where populations are descended from diverse intermixtures of the many peoples that have come to occupy the peninsula and the same latitudes of northern Africa. Both locations were well known regions of a flourishing slave trade where both “whites” and “blacks” came in large numbers as merchants, mercenaries or slave-soldiers, and slave-concubines from as far away as Bosnia and Central Asia in the North and Central East Africa in the South.
After the birth of Christ Iranian mercenaries (called the Ebna in texts) were entering the Yemen or southern Arabia by the thousands in the pre-Islamic era and in control of many of its major capitals. So began the modification of the appearance of the aboriginal peoples of a land once referred to as Kush, Canaan or Ethiopia and considered part of the Sudan well into the Midieval era (according to Richmond Palmer's, Bornu Sahara and Sudan). So also began the transference of falsification of the Afro-Arabian heritage to which we owe the racist deformation of the historical allegory of Ham, Shem and Japhet.
Astrocosmological Origins of the Noah Myth: Before the Curse of Ham
The idea that Ham, a son of Noah, was originally a white man who turned black because of a curse is an idea that came about from ancient non-Semitic people interpreting ancient Semitic allegory in their own way and ignoring its metaphysical basis. Bernard Lewis quotes a Christian Saint named Ephrem of Nisibis, Turkey, saying that Noah said, “Accursed be Canaan and may God make his face black,… whereupon the face of Canaan and Ham became black…” He also mentions Ibn Qutayba of Iraq who between 828 – 89AD asserted, “Wah ibn Munabbih said the sons of Ham were changed into blacks’ some of his children went to the West…Fut settled in India and Sind, Kush and Kan’an’s descendants are the various races of blacks: Nubians, Zanj, Qaran, Zaghawa, Ethiopians, Copts, and Berbers. (Kitab al-Ma’arif, ed. Tharwat Ukasha, 2nd ed. (Cairo, 1969) p. 26)’ ” found on page 124 in Race and Slavery in the Middle East. an Historical Enquiry, Oxford University Press, 1992.
The word Ham, Kham, Hammon, Ammon or Amun was the name of the hidden Sun from which sprang Ra or the light of the Sun. It is related to the name for the astronomical black hole known as he Bootes Void. The unknown void was called Mammon or Maimun and was also related to the name of the semi-mythical Memnon “king of Ethiopia”. Darkness or lack of illumination was associated with Mammon the deity of material desires. The word is possibly etymologically related to the term haram meaning sacred or forbidden in Arabian tradition, but is in any case definitely the “charma” in India which was sometimes represented by the black skin of a deer or oryx sacred to the “Indi” and probably to “Kama” the lord of physical or carnal desire. In Egypt Amun or Hammon which was named Kham was represented by a ram which symbolizes the heat of fleshly desire and virility. It is the instinctual will as opposed to higher will and illumination or Shem. Thus, Kham also has the connotation of heat or hotness.
Among the most ancient deities among Afro-Asiatics were Amm, Amun or Hammon, Sama, and Yacchus, Yahu or Jah and Yam. Yet, the tradition of Cham or Ham and Shem or Sam and Dyaus Pita or Jyapeti (which correspond to the totems of the Ram or oryx, the Lion, and the Horse in the Zodiac) are also part of ancient Hindu writings which say Charma, Sharma and Jyapeti or Dyaus Pita were children of MaNu (Nuah, who is also named Satyavarata). Charma got drunk with rice-wine and laughed at his father.
The caste and ethnic name of Charma or Chamar in India refers to leather-workers or tanners working with hides or skin of animals. Those who work with skin or hides, the Chamar are - not surprisingly - a subject or servile caste. In certain Indian ritual the yogis did sit on a sacred black deer skin sacred to Siva and Kama symbolizing the yogi’s submission or subjugation of the flesh or carnal aspects in their nature.
Closely related to the myth of Ham and Charma are the mytholgy in the Indic Iranian tradition related to Hauma, Haumavara and the land of Haumavaran – the latter being recognized as Himyar. Hauma (Sanskrit “Soma”) is the fermented drink just as Hamran referred to wine. Ham in the Arabic tradition was said to be “altered” “black mud”. Thus Ham, Hauma, Haumavar, Hamran, Humayr or Himyar thus would seem to have an etymological connection with things fermented.
The land of “Haumavar” or “Hamavaran” is associated with imprisonment as well as the maternal origins of many Indic-Iranian heroes and is the place where the ruler Kai Ka’us, Kavus or Kavi Usa of the Avesta son of Kai Kavata (or Kubad) and father of Siavus (or Sevaksh) set sail from the region of Makran to marry Sudabeh (in Arabian Sa’uda or Sudana daughter of Akk or according to al -Talibi daughter of of the Himyarite ruler Dhu’l Adh’ar) and was thrown there into prison by its king. (Sa'uda or Sudah is also called by al Masudi the daughter of Shammar king of Hamavar.)
Kavus' son Siavash signified by “the black horse” of the Sun and thus a representation of the Sun- God is possibly the Zaphon or Baal Zafan (or Typhon) of “semitic” or Hyksos-Canaanite tradition. He came to be associated with the donkey or ass cult in Egypt. There is also some apparent connection to the story of Joseph and his donkey or Zafnath of the Bible as well as to a Seva or Seba of Genesis. In the Book of Genesis (Bereshit) 10:7 Seva or Seba is the oldest son of Kush and his name is interestingly said to mean “imbibers of wine”. The Armenian patriarch John even claimed that Sievartik tribe (or Sevardik) had received their name from Seva son of Kush and reputedly claimed it meant “the black sons”.
King Kush, Ka’ush or Kavus known from ancient times also in Mesopotamia was possibly Kush Melekh. He and his Kavyan predecessors in Persia are connected with Kephus or Kepheus “ruler of Ethiopia” of later Greek mythology and ancestor to the early Persians whom were known as Kephenians. The name is said to represent Kaf or Kaph or Kawa divine mountain abode of the Gods representing the pole star. Kaveh or Kawa the deity of the mountain is called the smith among modern Kurds while Kavi Usana is the deity who makes the iron bolts of Indra in the Hindu texts.
The traditions of separate origins of man from Ham or Cham, Shem and Japhet emerged because the real meaning and significance behind the story or allegory of Ham and Sham and Japhet had been misunderstood by peoples who adopted early Afro-Arabian religious traditions. Just as skin covers the body of man the soil covers the body of the earth. The word Ham “the black altered earth” is etymologically related to Hamr or Hamran which in Arabia refers to the agriculturalists or those who care for and cultivate the earth as opposed to the wandering bedouin who are called Simran and are the caretakers or husbandman of the often subjugated Hamran. Hamran, which in the Bible is sometimes translated as Hamdan also signifies a vineyard. Africans spoke in proverbs and saw the natural world metaphorically in relationship to spirituality. In one of the gospels it is said “I am a true vine and my father is a husbandman.”
The symbolic aspects of the myth of Noah and curse of Ham refer to man’s subjugation, enslavement to the lower or carnal mind and nature, its illusory character and necessary subjugation in order to truly liberate oneself. Genesis 10 20-23 – “And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent…” The fact that all of the Israelites from Shem in the Bible are made to marry concubines of Canaan and Ham is also symbolic and reflection of the historical reality that Canaanites and Israelites were the same people. Canaan signified the lower aspect of the soul and Israel another name for Saturn signifying the striving for its perfection.
It is not a coincidence that Siavus in the Persian or Central Asian story is tempted or seduced by Sudabeh in the same manner as Joseph or Yusef also called Asaf in Arabian tradition was tempted many times by the wife of Potiphar. They were both falsely accused of trying to seduce powerful women. Genesis 39:7-8 “And it came to pass after these things, that his master’s wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said , lie with me , but he refused… and while Joseph (also called Zafnath - Genesis xli. 45) son of Jacob or Yacov, Siavus (Sevakush) is son of Kav’us or Kab’us. At the same time the ass or donkey is associated with the story of Joseph.
There is also evident connection with the myth and ritual surrounding Baal Zaphon or Typhon who is associated with the donkey or ass cult in Egypt – a legacy of the Hyksos invasion. Ba’al the ancient deity of the original Afro-semitic peoples is still a name for Lord among people like like the Mahra. The word Bali still means my Lord. Others have found a connection between the name of Ziph and Cepheus, in which case Cassiopeia would appear to be the Arabian queen Assiyeh whom is the Biblical Asenath married to Zafnath (Josef).
The mythos surrounding Joseph known as Asaf in Arabian tradition is related to the story of the Amalekite “shepherd kings” and their reign in Misra as Pharaohs. In the time of the Amalekite kings Qabus and Raian the ruler Asaf was placed in charge on the throne of Misra or Mizraim (a place which has been interpreted as the African Egypt but which possibly refers to the Misra or Masirah in Yemen). Many have indicated that the name Raian is very possibly the Hyksos name Ian Re while there is also a Yacob-Hor or mentioned on Egyptian scarabs.
Thus, the Hebraic allegory of Noah and his drunkenness is wrapped up in the early history of the Himyarites i.e. Sabaeans and their astronomical knowledge who came to be called “Kushites”, Cephenians, Keftiu in the later world. Their connection to heroes in Iran and Turan is related to the early rule of the “Hyksos” or Amalekites who ruled Saba came to rule and settle in Syria, Armenia and other parts of the Near East in the middle of the 2nd millenium B.C..
Most of the names of Ham’s children and descendants such as Mizraim, Hagar, Kedar, and Sud or Sudan who was sometimes called a son of Canaan (see below) have association with the earth or earthbound elements. Mizrah or Mizraim, (the Ethiopic and Hebrew Mitzraim Metzir or Medir or Mudir) is the early Eritrean or Ethiopian earth deity who is also called Mitra(male) and Mithra (female) in Indic- Iranian traditions - the mediator between heaven and earth. Hagar or Agar means the ploughable or arable earth or soil. Sawad or Sudan who is sometimes called a son of Kana’an means the cultivable or black earth. Kedar or Khadar was the name of a dark green iron and thus came to signify blackness or something that was strong “like iron”. Cana’an came to mean lowland, but also was symbolized by the dog or Cana’an lowly and servant of man.
According to Kamal Salibi and Arabian tradition Canaan was apparently “the lowland” of the Kenaniyya tribe in Arabia corresponding to the Yemenite area and southern Hejaz or Asir region an area running from south of Taif and Mecca. Circa 1000 A.D. an account of Kan’an b. Ham is found in Akbar al Zaman: “He was the eldest of Ham’s sons, and the first to corrupt the religion of Noah, peace be upon him….Among the descendants of Sudan, son of Kan’an, are many nations, among them the Ishban, the Zanj, and many peoples that multiplied in the Maghrib, about 70 of them…..” from the French translation of the Akbar al Zaman : L’Abrege des Merveilles published 1898. Ishban in the Genesis of the Bible is a son of Dishon, brother of Dayshan, brother of Hamdan (or Hamran), Ethran and Cheran descendants of Zibeon, the Hivite or Canaanite. These correspond to well known Himyarite and Sabean clans Banu Jayshan, Hamdan, and Qaran, Zubyan (also Dhuban or Dhubyan) mentioned as late as early Islamic times in the Yemen. (see Yemen in Early Islam, p. 91 Abdal Muhsin Mad’aj, 1988). The name of the Hawt or Huthi may also be the Hevite. The Himyarites or Humayr and Canaanites are thus the same people.
Unfortunately, northern or Western and Near Eastern peoples who have tried to write themselves into ancient Semitic or Afro-Arab and Judaean history and genealogy took out much of the metaphysical and spiritual meaning of the allegory such as found in Genesis. The result was a void of meaningless nonsense about three different colored races that spread across the world. Even the name of Nuah’s ancestor Adam is said to mean “the resounding mud”, “black mud” or earth which links his name to the word Dum of India - an early name for gypsies meaning man and sound, and to Atum, of the ancient Nile and Tumal of East Africa and India and Tama of Central and West Africa who is the God of the smiths that mold the earth. Tumal was Tubal-C’ain, meaning the drummer smith. Tubal was regarded by gypsies as an ancestor. And it is surprising that in African myth, the smith or metallurgist was called “the first drummer.”
Today most people calling themselves Arabs living both within and outside the Arabian peninsula, both fair and dark-skinned, claim descent from either the tribes of Qahtan of southern Arabia or the descendants of Kedar and Ishmael whose mother was Hagar. The term Arab today includes peoples of Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and many places in Africa who speak Arabic. In Arabia and the Near East, as in Africa, these populations now include individuals ranging from black in color to a white with red hair. Between the 7th and 12th centuries many of the indigenous tribes from the Yemen are documented as settling in Syria/Lebanon Iran and Iraq. In Iraq, the “Azd tribe, for instance, with all of its clans in the Fertile Crescent traces its genealogy back to its settlement ancestry in Yaman.” These same groups also moved into and settled in Egypt and North Africa and were ancestral to many north African, Egyptian and Sudanese bedouin.
Both the early Qahtan (thought to be Joktan of the Bible) and the Ishmaelite groups were reputedly or referred to as “black” until the Midieval period of Europe. It is not generally known in the West that Arabia was (as the historian Cheikh Anta Diop suggested) essentially an Ethiopic colony until as late as several hundred years ago. Most of the purer or Afro-Arabian populations today though isolated and unfamiliar to Westerners exist within the peninsula under the same names they were known under in, in Biblical records and in texts written by Syrians, Iraqis, Iranians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Mesopotamian inscriptions and ancient mythology.
Archeology and the Afro-Arabian Cultural Landscape in Context
One important group of artistic depictions comes from the area of Jubba in northern Saudi Arabia. The numerous rock carvings there have given the name Jubba style to the type of artistic depiction. “A strong interregional interaction if not proper movement of people from Arabia to Ethiopia in the 3rd - 2nd millenium B.C. is supported by the occurrence of rock pictures in a typical style in both regions.” In the Horn of Africa where it is found sometimes called the Ethiopian Arabian style or Karora Style and by the 1st millenium B.C. is found in the African Sahara. Alessandra Avanzini, Profumi d’Arabia: Atti del Convegno, 1997 p. 281. It dates back according to some to at least 5,500 B.C. in northern Saudi Arabia. The style is characterized by long and short-horned bovids with body markings with bodies often represented with body in profile. Similarly, human figures are large and elongated in profile except for the waist up. The style of rock art is found all over northern Saudi Arabia also extends to the Wadi Dawasir region in the southern Nejd.
This rock art may have had something to do with the Obeid or Ubaid culture of Arabia which was well known in eastern Arabia and moved into Mesopotamia to form the first Mesopotamian cultures at Eridu. There are also links of this art to certain sites in early neolithic Turkey. As at Jubba goat or dog-headed people “ are quite common” there. So, an iconographical link seems to exist between the goat-headed hunters of Jubba, the T-lad M-headed anthropomorphs of the Latmos area and the "Ziegen-Dämon" of Obeid Culture. Von der Osten-Sacken argues that this anthropomorphic figure is the first deity of Mesopotamian Pantheon.” Gobekli Tepe and the Rock Art of the Near East. Klaus Schmidt, 2000 TÜBA-AR 3 (2000) 1–14*.
The pottery using Ubaid people of Arabia and Mesopotamia and the Levant form a link between the mesolithic and Neolithic near east. Ubaid culture is characterized by large village settlements, “characterized by multi-roomed rectangular mud-brick houses” and the appearance of the first temples of public architecture in Mesopotamia. They founded the early cities of Adab, Eridu, Kish, Kullab, Lagash, Larsa, Nippur and extend down the coast of eastern Arabia including Bahrein or early Dilmun. They made lizard headed anthropomorphic figurines and worshipped the mother Goddess.
Unlike the earliest “Mediterranean” inhabitants and later brachycephalic Eurasiatic peoples in southern Mesopotamia, the Ubaid skeletons are large bodied, large headed, dolicocephalic with long wide noses and accompanying prognathism. For that reason A. Sayce had described them as Negroid. Skeletal markings were similar to those of ancient Natufians who have also been found to have sub-Saharan Central African affinities. (see The Questionable Contribution of the Neolithic and the Bronze Age to European Craniofacial Form, L. Brace, K., Manolis, Pan Qifeng et. al. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 2006. PNAS 103;242-247. Cambridge Ancient History Vol. 1, Part I reads, “Keith's interesting conclusions—that the skulls of the ancient Sumerians were relatively narrow, that they were dolichocephalic, a large-headed, large-brained people, approaching or exceeding in these respects the longer-headed races of Europe, and that the men's noses were long and wide—is applicable to some of the 'Ubaid dead of the latter half of the third and the beginning of the second millennium B.C. The Cambridge Ancient History, Iorwerth Eiddon Stephen Edwards, 1970, p. 358.
The editors earlier say, “ Another impression that arose on the first examination was that the Eridu skulls showed a marked prognathism…” p. 348.
But, the Ubaid culture ends abruptly in Arabia in the early 4th millenium B.C. More notable are the connections between the culture called “Sabir” in south Arabia which showed strong links to the pre-Axumite culture of Abyssinia, Eritrea and Sudan. Its origins date back to the 2nd millenium B.C. and have connections with the 3rd millenium megalithic culture in the same region which also had evident African connections. According to, Ancient South Arabia: From the Queen of Sheba to the Advent of Islam, by Klaus Shippmann, (1998, 2001) the research specialist L. Constantini “has maintained that Yemen was part of the Abyssinian Sudanese center” p. 74.
According to M. Petraglia, in 2009 , “Sites from Sihi to Subr along the west and southern coasts of Arabia …for example exhibit pottery that is seen to have parallels with older C-group and Kerma cultures of the Middle Nile (Phillips, 1998, Kitchen, 2006). The Sabir culture itself, which began in the early 2nd millenium B.C. was clearly a sea-oriented coastal culture (Ray, 2003) The recently discovered Bronze Age megalithic site of Midamman in Yemen which seems to span the late third to early first millenium B.C. has also been argued to have parallels not only in the Sabir culture but also with material on the African side (Gumlia Mair et. al. , 2002; Keall, 2004).” Quoted from, The Evolution of Human Populations in Arabia: Paleoenvironmental Prehistory by Michael D. Petraglia, 2009, p. 264.
Avanzini found that these sites which are located both sides of the Red Sea in the Tihama region of Yemen and in Sudan, Eritrea and parts of Aden represent a single cultural complex. She writes “the lithic tools from the Saudi Tihama sites are comparable to those of the Gash group in Kassala. Representative sites of the coastal complex have been reported at Sihi in the southern Tihama plain, Adulis, near the Gulf of Zeila, in Eritrea; Wadi Urq near Hodeidah in the Yemeni Tihama Plain; Sabir (Subr) near Aden. These sites share enough ceramic features to be regarded as regional variants of one cultural tradition.”
By the late 3rd to middle second millenia B.C. there was also “a quite regular interchange circuit between Egypt and the southern Red Sea countries.” (Avanzini, 1997, p. 285)
The stone implements or lithics (the Doian culture of Somalia and the horn of Africa and the Kharga Neolithic and neolithic of the Sahara and western deserts of northern Egypt) and the art in many places such as the Rub al Khali of Central Arabia, Oman, Hadramaut, Hejaz and Yemen was stylistically similar and in some cases identical to that used among populations of Africa in the same periods. The rock art of Central Arabia as in the Rub –al Khali in fact depicted tall or elongated pastoralists whom art specialist Emmanuel Anati, (author of Rock Art in Central Arabia, 1968) referred to as “oval headed Negroids”. In the same region or in Central Arabia today (in Yemamah or southern Nejd of Saudi Arabia ) are people who are described as the tallest and blackest Arabians on the peninsula still trading in the feathers of the ostriches so significant in the ancient art.
This rock art depicting “elegant”, “elongated” “oval heads” resembling pastoralist peoples of East Africa extended into areas certain regions of the Syrian desert as well and dates to the 3rd and second millienum B.C. Stylistic resemblances in art with the art of earlier neolithic Saharans have been commented on. After the late stone age these ancient Arabian people were accustomed to portraying themselves wearing headdresses, carrying copper instruments including swords and in mock ritual battle aside from doing and using many other things common to ancient and modern pastoral nomads of east Africa. “The use of copper and bronze is confirmed by tomb finds in the Nejd and Tihama (cf. above, al Midaman). Males are shown wearing headdresses, and cache-sex chokers and necklaces and sometimes holding scepters.” Petraglia, The Evolution of Human Populations
Archeologists also decades ago identified artwork given the name “realistic dynamic” art style also belonging to the 3rd and second millenium appears in various sites in Arabia with apparent similarities to the early pre-dynastic Egyptian art of “Amratians” and other predynastic populations who had spread from Nubia to the eastern desert and Red Sea hills and down the Nile in to Lower Egypt. The people that brought this culture to Arabia were evidently similar to the mall, gracile Negroid people that occupied the Lower Nile and the Sahara, and are probably the ancestors of similar people presently occupying the coasts of Arabia.
* This art may go back to the pre-pottery Neolithic (PPN) of the Levant. “A spectacular but widely unknown province of Saudi Arabian rock art is Jubba. Hunters, often with a head like a goat or ibex and bovidés, equides or caprovides, are depicted in the rocks around a playa, a former lake in the desert. The bovidés of Jubba and of several rock art sites in the Hijaz in Saudi Arabia follow similar iconogrraphical lines - and they can be closely com pared with the bovids of Jawa's "Animal's Farm". So, the hunter style of Anati is filled with new evidence. It seems to be connected with the PPN-Period and is including Kilwa and the Negev-I- Style, Dhuweila, Jawa and Jubba.” . Schmidt, Göbekli Tepe and the rock art of the Near East, TÜBA-AR 3 (2000) 1-14
Indigenous people of the Tihama region of southwest Arabia still live in beehive huts common to Ethiopia
Ibn Mudjawir (11th c.) refers to Tihama as "Kush"
This Shammar man was typical of bedouin once numerous in North and Central Arabia. Those further north in Syria and Iraq mixed with the populations there.
Man of Nakh'l in Oman
Tall "Ethiopian" or Sabean clans of the Madhij (from Kahlan son of Saba) called Nakha or An'Nakha, Nakhawil, Danakil lined the coasts of the Eritrean Sea (Sea of Harith) in ancient times and came to be known as the "Anakim", Ph'Anakes or Phoenikes [/qb]
quote: A bedouin of Jordan in Western wear
Some bedouin of Sinai
Some Saudi bedouins
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Mahra man Mahra are from the Kudha'a tribe
Zabid or Zubayd were from the Madhhij
Jews from the Habban area resemble Falasha
Men of Shibam ancient capital of the Hadramaut tribes
[Other tribes of Qahtan stock live in the Beisha area of south Saudi Arabia.
The men of the tribes of Shahran, Aklub appear in this video
The Mufaḍḍalīyāt: an anthology of ancient Arabian odes, Volume 2, By Kāsim ibn Muhammad al-Anbārī 1918“Both the Shahran and Aklub were of Yemeni stock divisions of the great stock of Kha’tham (Wust. Tab. 9) whose settlements were in Bisha.” P. 800
In tradition Kha'tham (Gatam) was brother of the Tayyi and Madhij son of Kahlan son of Saba.
"The Arabs used to take pride in their darkness and blackness and they had a distaste for a light complexion and they used to say that a light complexion was the complexion of the non-Arabs"” Al Mubarrad, 9th century born in Basra, Iraq.
Notice Mubarrad was talking about Arabs - not Iraqis, not Syrians, not Lebanese and not Iranians and Turks in Arabia.
Haweitat of Sinai.
The people of the Haweit'at tribe live along the coast of Arabia Hejaz from the Tihama to Sinai and claim descent from the Nabataeans and the Harim bin Simal branch of the Banu Salim. Still near black after many centuries of trading in white concubines.
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THE AMALEKITES
PEOPLE FROM KANA'AN CALLED AMALEKITES. “The tribe of Amalek were descended from Amalek the son of Eliphaz the son of Esau, though some of the oriental authors say Amalek was the son of Ham the son of Noah, and others the SON OF AZD the son of Sem.” p. 6 The Koran by George Sale.
They are usually mentioned with the Canaanites or as Canaanites or Edomites. Thus we have in one book of the Bible, 'Then the Amalekites and the Canaanites who lived in those hills came down and attacked them and chased them as far as Hormah. - Numbers 14:45"
According to the founder of Sumerian studies Samuel Kramer the land of Meluhha was “the place of black men” in the Akkadian dialect(see The Sumerians, p.277).
In the late Assyrian era, some of the Banu Amlukh/Meluchha are still left near Egypt/Kamit in northern Arabia and the Arabian land of Musri/Musrah. The Amalekites or "stock of Ad" - as they were also called- are mentioned in numerous Arabic texts and are said to be a tribe of the Mahra people by el Hamdani of the 9th century. They are tall, black and builders of great megalithic buildings, towns and dams in Arabia. Thus the Sabaeans are also mentioned as "men of stature" stature in the Hebrew Bible.
Amalekites are also by tradition the giants "Jababirah' or "Ghebers" who ruled Syria.
Peoples of the tribe of Amlukh still lived in the Yemen according to 19th century colonialists as I have mentioned more than a few times and according to Arab tradition are the Adite king shepherds who once ruled Saba, Himyar and Hijaz and settled Syria, the Aegean and north Africa under THEIR LEADERS (among whom were) Cathim, Darim, Qiyan, Ashish (Sheshi), Ianhu (Janus), Wa'il, Qabus, Khamudei, Samud or Thamud, Shedad, Lokhman, etc.
Josephus refers to the Amalekites as "the Phoenician shepherds". These are the Fenkhu with their Byblos ships as painted tall,slender and dark brown in in ancient Egyptian paintings, like their Philistine brethren.
Philistine of the Aegean "remnants of the Anakim of Canaan"
The clans of the Mahra still include the Samud'at (Thamud/Tsamud) the ancient inhabitants of the Hijaz who settled around Duma'at Jandal in Jordan.
Just in case people have not understood what was just written above - the Amalekites the perennial enemies of Yisra'el who fought against Joshua, Caleb (Banu Kalb) and Jefunneh (Jafnah) or AMLUKH of the RU'AYN - ARE THE ADITES REPRESENTED BY THE MAHRA, tall and black Mahra bin Hamdan or Haidan from the Qudha'a branch of the HIMYARITES. They are found in THEIR NEAR BLACK SKINS IN SOUTHERN ARABIA AND SOMALIA TODAY>
THE MODERN ISRAELITES and EDOMITES, i.e. CANAANITES - HAMDAN (BANU HAMDAN) , DISHAN (JASHAYN), ESHBAN (BASHMAN), KANA'AN, KENAZ (KENZIR'AT), AMORITE (MORAD, etc.
Abu’l Feda born in the 13th century in Damascus refers to Mahra as "the son of Hamdan". (See Abd al Kader a Poem in Six Cantos, Viscount Maidstone, 2004.)
As I have stated over and over, one of the main tribes of the Mahra are the Qunays (Kenaz) according to Arab authros. They are today called Kenzir'it. The Mahra descendants of the Himyarites share many clan names with the Dawasir remnants of Azd who come from Himyars brother Kahlan.
The Gazeteer of the Persian Gulf a colonialist work lists the many names of the Dawasir tribes. The modern Banu Hamdan tribe are descendants in part of the Dawasir people living in CENTRAL ARABIA whom I have said colonialists have called "tallest and blackest of the Arabs". -Thus Swissman John Lewis Burkhardt wrote in 1829, “the Dowasir are said to be very tall men and almost black.” Some Dawasir or Dosari like the Hamdan however have mixed with the Iranians with whom they were allied in the early part of the Islamic era. In fact some Dawasir still speak Persian and look it as well.
The Ad-Dawasir claim descent from the Azd - a jet black people who settled in the Sara'at mountains of the Asir and the area of their ancestor "ZAHRAN" AND IN THE WADI BISHA where the names of their towns and places have remained in place and whom we have shown are the Adites who settled at Marib and built the dam there under their leader "Lokman".
The name Dawasir perhaps not by coincidence is is from the phrase el-da Yasir and is plural from Dthu Shari (Asher) among them are the tribes of Banu YAM (Jamin/Benyamin of the tribe of Judah), Ishkara or Ashaqir (Issachar -son of Jacob and Leah), Makhir/Makharam (Makir - first born son of Menasseh son of Joseph and Asenath of Misra), Barik/Bariq el Azdi(Barak) and the names of other tribes of this apparently early Israelite/Canaanite peeople.
For more information on the Azdite origins of the Israelites read part I and II of Israel, Mizraim, and Canaan IN CONTEXT
The tribe of Moab is also represented among the Dawasir in the Banu Ajlani - whose ancestor was Ajlan or "Eglon". Eglon in the Old Testament was the king of Moab who suppressed Yasir'el in the time of the Judges. "He was the head of the confederacy of Moab, Ammon and Amalek in their assault..."
BARAK a Dawasir tribe - The movement of the Banu Barik (mentioned above by Upton) is closely intertwined with the Biblical story of the “torrent of Kishon” or Gassan, the brook “near Zabid”. Barak is credited with defeating the Canaanite (Banu Kenaani) army of Sisera from which comes the name of modern Sirr Zahra in Jizan (see Kamal Salibi, The Bible Came from Arabia).
Judges 4:7 of the Bible reads: “And I will draw out Sisera, the general of Jabin’s army, to meet you by the river Kishon with his chariots and his troops, and I will give him into your hand’?” Judges 4:15 "When Barak attacked, the LORD threw Sisera and all his chariots and warriors into a panic. Sisera leaped down from his chariot and escaped on foot…"
See Israel Mizraim and Canaan in Context Part I for more on Bariq el Azdi.
Other Canaanite/"Edomite" tribes are the Dawasir tribe of Bashman (whom Tabari says were also called Sanbar and Yashbin) and identified as the Eshban of a tribe of Canaanites mentioned by Ibn Qutayba..
Bathran or Badran a tribe of teh Dawasir - whom Tabari says was called Yathrib. Tahash was called Shadud and Masha, the Dawasir tribe of Jabir was Achbar ("father of the Jinns" also known as Ghebers, Kabiri, Jabaren). The following are also Dawasir tribal names i.e. tribes descended from the Azd mentioned in the GazeteerL: El Qamah(Kamwal), Hemamah (Hemam), Nahadh (Nahath), Ja'halim (Jaalam), Al Ufaysan (Eliphaz), Umar ( Omar), Dawas or Daus (Jeush), Ayyan ( Aia/ Aya/ Ashja), Hannah (Anah), Daham or Dahman (Taman/Teman), Kana'an (Cana'an), Nadir (Nadr bin Kanaan) Ghanm (Ghanim bin Nadr bin Kana'an).
Also found among the Dawasir are the tribe of Qainan (Cainan) Mahl ( Mahal'aleel) and Hanish and Nahish (Enosh) all children of Set.
Ancient Syrian:
Located at the National Museum of Egypt, Cairo. 2nd floor.
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
Indigenous people of the Tihama region of southwest Arabia still live in beehive huts common to Ethiopia
Ibn Mudjawir (11th c.) refers to Tihama as "Kush"
This Shammar man was typical of bedouin once numerous in North and Central Arabia. Those further north in Syria and Iraq mixed with the populations there.
Man of Nakh'l in Oman
Tall "Ethiopian" or Sabean clans of the Madhij (from Kahlan son of Saba) called Nakha or An'Nakha, Nakhawil, Danakil lined the coasts of the Eritrean Sea (Sea of Harith) in ancient times and came to be known as the "Anakim", Ph'Anakes or Phoenikes [/qb]
quote: A bedouin of Jordan in Western wear
Some bedouin of Sinai
Some Saudi bedouins
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Thank you for proving the indigenous Arabians are predominantly Caucasoid. These people you posted are heavily Hamitic (Caucasoid) in appearance.
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
Indigenous people of the Tihama region of southwest Arabia still live in beehive huts common to Ethiopia
Ibn Mudjawir (11th c.) refers to Tihama as "Kush"
This Shammar man was typical of bedouin once numerous in North and Central Arabia. Those further north in Syria and Iraq mixed with the populations there.
Man of Nakh'l in Oman
Tall "Ethiopian" or Sabean clans of the Madhij (from Kahlan son of Saba) called Nakha or An'Nakha, Nakhawil, Danakil lined the coasts of the Eritrean Sea (Sea of Harith) in ancient times and came to be known as the "Anakim", Ph'Anakes or Phoenikes
quote: A bedouin of Jordan in Western wear
Some bedouin of Sinai
Some Saudi bedouins
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quote:Thank you for proving the indigenous Arabians are predominantly Caucasoid. These people you posted are heavily Hamitic (Caucasoid) in appearance. [/QB]
I don't see what is caucasoid about them and what they have to do with the caucasus region?
These are Southern Arab populations RELATING to East Africans Horners and NiloSaharans. THEY ARE BASICALLY THE SAME PEOPLE ON ANOTHER PLATEAU. HISTOGRAPHICALLY etc... SPOKEN!
And you are irrelevant to this history. And it shows once again, that you can't comprehend complex tasks very well.
Simple put, you are delusional!
Thanks for confirming that I am indeed HAMITIC!
quote:Khaled K Abu-Amero et al.
Mitochondrial DNA structure in the Arabian Peninsula
For the J, the West (37.5%) and Southeast (25.7%) regions have higher frequencies than the Central (17.6%) and North (16.3%) regions. Heterogeneity in the whole Peninsula is also significant .... being Saudi Arabia (21%) and Qatar (17.8%) the two countries with the highest J frequencies.
However,
This is mainly due to the comparatively high frequency of sub-Saharan lineages in Yemen (38%) compared to Oman-Qatar (16%) and to Saudi Arabia-UAE (10%). Most probably, the higher frequencies shown in southern countries reflect their greater proximity to Africa, separated only by the Bab al Mandab strait. However, when attending to the relative contribution of the different L haplogroups, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Yemen are highly similar for their L3 (34%), L2 (36%) and L0 (21%) frequencies whereas in Oman and UAE the bulk of L lineages belongs to L3 (72%).
Two potential migratory routes followed by modern humans to colonize Eurasia from Africa have been proposed. These are the two natural passageways that connect both continents: the northern route through the Sinai Peninsula and the southern route across the Bab al Mandab strait.
Recent archaeological and genetic evidence have favored a unique southern coastal route. Under this scenario, the study of the population genetic structure of the Arabian Peninsula, the first step out of Africa, to search for primary genetic links between Africa and Eurasia, is crucial.
quote:
Y chromosomes traveling south: the cohen modal haplotype and the origins of the Lemba--the "Black Jews of Southern Africa".
Thomas MG, Parfitt T, Weiss DA, Skorecki K, Wilson JF, le Roux M, Bradman N, Goldstein DB. Source
The Center for Genetic Anthropology, Departments of Biology and Anthropology, University College London, London, United Kingdom.
Abstract
The Lemba are a traditionally endogamous group speaking a variety of Bantu languages who live in a number of locations in southern Africa. They claim descent from Jews who came to Africa from "Sena." "Sena" is variously identified by them as Sanaa in Yemen, Judea, Egypt, or Ethiopia. A previous study using Y-chromosome markers suggested both a Bantu and a Semitic contribution to the Lemba gene pool, a suggestion that is not inconsistent with Lemba oral tradition. To provide a more detailed picture of the Lemba paternal genetic heritage, we analyzed 399 Y chromosomes for six microsatellites and six biallelic markers in six populations (Lemba, Bantu, Yemeni-Hadramaut, Yemeni-Sena, Sephardic Jews, and Ashkenazic Jews). The high resolution afforded by the markers shows that Lemba Y chromosomes are clearly divided into Semitic and Bantu clades. Interestingly, one of the Lemba clans carries, at a very high frequency, a particular Y-chromosome type termed the "Cohen modal haplotype," which is known to be characteristic of the paternally inherited Jewish priesthood and is thought, more generally, to be a potential signature haplotype of Judaic origin. The Bantu Y-chromosome samples are predominantly (>80%) YAP+ and include a modal haplotype at high frequency. Assuming a rapid expa
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Part II Jonathan Owens
Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London
Vol. 61, No. 2 (1998), pp. 215-227 Published by: Cambridge University Press
Abstract
That proto-Arabic had morphological case is an assumption which has hardly generated debate. Like all assumptions, however, it rests on concrete arguments. The two most important of these are probably (1), the existence of case in Classical Arabic and (2), the existence of case elsewhere in Semitic, particularly in Akkadian. However, applying standard comparative and philological methodology, one is equally led to the opposite conclusion, that proto-Arabic did not have case. Relevant arguments to support this position are:(1) most Semitic languages do/did not have case, nor probably did proto-Afroasiatic; (2) the oldest Arabic epigraphic record probably does not show case; (3) there are various problematic issues in the Arabic grammatical and many tradition which suggest the existence of caseless varieties parallel to Classical Arabic; (4) modern Arabic dialects do not have case. The present paper expanded upon points 1-3 in Part I. In Part II it incorporates point 4 and goes on to construct a model for the development of a case-based Classical Arabic out of an original caseless variety.
“The oldest evidence indicates the presence of Africans in the Red Sea coastal plain”
“Old South Arabian inscriptions and graffiti are in scripts of a South Semitic type, of which Ethiopic is the only present-day”
1). Arabian peoples have been held to be related to a variety of groups, with homelands in almost all directions outside Arabia: the view that sought to visualize all Arabians as a single race has never been valid.
The oldest evidence indicates the presence of Africans in the Red Sea coastal plain, Iranians in the southeastern tip of the peninsula, and peoples of Aramaean stock in the north. The racial affinities of the ancient Yemeni peoples remain unsolved; the marked similarity of their culture to the Semitic cultures that arose in the Fertile Crescent to the north of the peninsula can be attributed to cultural spread rather than to immigration.
2).
a. In the north and centre the dominant linguistic form is Old North Arabian (subclassified into Lihyanic, Thamudic, and Safaitic); despite close connections between this group and Arabic, the latter cannot be regarded as lineally descended from it.
b. The Yemenite inscriptions are in Old South Arabian (subclassified into Minaean, Sabaean, Qatabanian, and Hadhramautic), which is a wholly independent group within the Semitic family of languages.(The Old North Arabian and Old South Arabian inscriptions and graffiti are in scripts of a South Semitic type, of which Ethiopic is the only present-day survivor; modern Arabic script is of a North Semitic type.)
This large pre-Islamic inscription is depicted on a rock near a well in southern Arabia and consists of ten lines. It is popularly known as "the inscription of Abraha." The inscription is still in its original location; a replica is on display in the museum
نقش سبئي
(i) Transliteration b kh ya l / r h m n n / w m s ya h ha / m l k n / a b r ha / z ya b m n / m l k / s b a / w z r ya d n / w h dh r m d t
Transcription B'khail / ar-rahman / wmaseeha / malikan / Abraha / Zaybm / malik / sab'a / w zarydan / w hadarmaut
Translation With the power (help) of god, and the Jesus (=Christian) King Abraha Zeebman (King's title), the King of Saba'a, Zuridan and Hadrmaut.
(ii) w ya m n t / w r a a'in r b ha m r / ta w d m / w t ha m t / s ta r w / z n / s ta r n / k gh z ya w
w yement / wa r'a rab hamw / Twadam / w thamat / satro / zn / satran / K'ghazow
and Yemen and the tribes (on) the mountains and the coast wrote these lines on his battle
(iii) m a'in d m / gh z w t n / r b a'in t n / b w r kh n / z th b t n / k f s d w / k l / b n ya a'in m r m
against the tribe of Ma'ad ( in ) the battle of al-Rabiya in the month of "Dhu al Thabithan" (April) and fight (against) all the (tribes) of Bani A'amir.
(iv) w z k ya / m l k n / a b j b r / b a'in m / k d t / w a'in l / w b sh r m / b n h sa n m / b a'in / m
Wazaki/ malikn/ abjabar / b ainam/ kadat/ wain/ w basharm / bin hasahanm/ bainm
and appointed the King (the leader) "Abi Jabar" with (tribe) Kinda and (Qahtani tribe) Al (and the leader) "Bishar bin Hasan" with
(v) s a'in d m / w m r d m / w h dh r w / q d m ya / j ya sh n / a'in l ya b n ya a'in m r m / k d t / w a'in l / b w d / z m r kh / w m r d m / w s d m / b w d.
San dam/ wa mardam / wa hadaru/ qadami / jayshan/ alia bani yamram/ kadat/ wail/ b wad /samrakh / wa mardam/ wa sadam/ b wad..
(Tribe) Sa'ad ( and the tribe) Murad and ( the tribe) Hadarmaut (stand) in front of the army against Bani Amir of Kinda. and (the tribe) Al in wadi "zu markh" and Murad and Sa'ad in wadi
(vi) b m n ha j / t r b n / w z b h w / w a s r w / w gh n m w / z a'in s m / w m kh dh / m l k n / b h l b n / w d n w.
B manhaj / tarban/ w zabahow / wa sarw / w ghanamw / zaisam / wa makhdah/ malakin/ b halban/ wa danw
Manha on the way to Turban and killed and captured and took the booty in large quantities and the King and fought at Halban and reached
(vii) k za l / m a'in d m / w r ha n w / w b a'in d n ha w / w s a'in ha m w / a'in m r m / b n / m z r n..
Ka zalam/ maidam / wrahanw / wa badanahaw / nwa sa'aham mw / amram / bin/ mazran.
Ma'ad and took booty and prisoners, and after that, conquered (from the tribe of Ma'ad) Omro bin al-Munzir …
(viii) w r ha n m w / b n ha w / w s t kh l fa ha w / a'in l ya / m a'in d m / w q f l w / b n / h l
Wa rahanamw / bin haw / wa sata khalafw / ala/ ma'dam/ wa qafalw/ bin/ hal.
(and according to the agreement between Abrha and the tribe of Ma'ad) (Abrhas) appointed the son (of Omro) as the ruler and returned (Abraha) from Hal.
(ix) (b) n / (b) kh ya l / r h m n n / w r kh ha w / z a'in l n / z l th n ya / w s th ya / w s
( bi)n / (b) akhayal / rahman / wa rakhaw / zalan / salthany / w sathya/ ws
Ban (halban) with the power of the god in the month of Zu A'allan in the year sixty-two
(x) th / m a t m
Tha / matam
and six hundred
النص ب خ ى ل / ر ح م ن ن / و م س ى ح هـ / م ل ك ن / أ ب ر هـ / ز ى ب م ن / م ل ك / س ب أ / و ذ ر ي د ن / و ح ض ر م و ت
القراءة بقوة الرحمن ومسيحة الملك أبرهة زيبمان ملك سبأ وذو ريدان وحضرموت
ـ 2 ـ و ي م ن ت / و ر أ ع ر ب هـ م و / ط و د م / و ت هـ م ت / س ط ر و / ذ ن / س ط ر ن / ك غ ز ى و
.ويمنات وقبائلهم (في) الجبال والسواحل ، سطر هذا النقش عندما غزا
ـ 3 ـ م ع د م / غ ز و ت ن / ر ب ع ت ن / ب و ر خ ن / ذ ث ب ت ن / ك ف س د و / ك ل / ب ن ى ع م رم/
(قبيلة) معد (في) غزوة الربيع في شهر "ذو الثابة" (ابريل) عندما ثاروا كل (قبائل) بنى عامر
ـ 4 ـ و ذ ك ى / م ل ك ن / أ ب ج ب ر / ب ع م / ك د ت / و ع ل / و ب ش ر م / ب ن ح ص ن م / ب ع م
وعين الملك (القائد) "أبي جبر" مع (قبيلة) على (والقائد) "بشر بن حصن" مع
ـ 5 ـ س ع د م / و م ر د م / و ح ض ر و / ق د م ى / ج ي ش ن / ع ل ي / ب ن ي ع م ر م / ك د ت / و ع ل / ب و د / ذ م ر خ / و م ر د م / و س ع د م / ب و د
قبيلة) سعد (وقبيلة) مراد وحضروا أمام الجيش ـ ضد بنى عامر (وجهت) كندة وعلى في) وادي "ذو مرخ" ومراد وسعد في وادي
ـ 6 ـ ب م ن هـ ج / ت ر ب ن / و ذ ب ح و / و أ س ر و / و غ ن م و / ذ ع س م / و م خ ض / م ل ك ن / ب ح ل ب ن / و د ن و
على طريق تربن وذبحوا وأسروا وغنموا بوفرة وحارب الملك في حلبن واقترب
ـ 7 ـ ك ظ ل / م ع د م / و ر هـ ن و / و ب ع د ن هـ و / و س ع هـ م و / ع م ر م / ب ن / م ذ ر ن
كظل معد (وأخذ) اسرى، وبعد ذلك فوضوا (قبيلة معد) عمروا بن المنذر (في
ـ 8 ـ و ر هـ ن هـ م و / ب ن هـ و / و س ت خ ل ف هـ و / ع ل ى / م ع د م / و ق ف ل و / ب ن / ح ل
الصلح) فضمنهم ابنه (عروا) (عن أبرهة) فعينه حاكماً على) معد ورجع (أبرهة) من حلـ
ـ 9 ـ (ب) ن / ( ب ) خ ى ل / ر ح م ن ن / و ر خ هـ و / ذ ع ل ن / ذ ل ث ن ى / و س ث ى / و س
بن (حلبان) بقوة الرحمن في شهر ذو علان في السنة الثانية والستين وسـ
ـ 10 ـ ث / م أ ت م
ستمائة
مسند جنوبي
Transliteration ha z a'in n b t a l
Transcription/Translation Haza'a nabt al
(name of the deceased)
النص
ح ذ ع ن ب ت أ ل
القراءة حذع نبت أل
مسند جنوبي
Transliteration n ya a'in th t / k ya l / w m q m / sh ya m ha m w gh wa n ha m w / b n / a a'in r b n / w b z t t a t b / r ya m m / s a'in d / w ha w f ya n r ya m m / r dh w / w h sd ya / m r a ha m
Transcription Nai Asath/ Khail/ w maqam/ shai mahamo/ Ghawnham/bin/ A'araban/ w bazat/ Ta'atab/remom/sad/w hawfain Remom/ Rado/ wa hasiya/ mraham
Translation With the power of Naiqthat and his high position Ghawnaham from the Arabian tribe of Dhat Ta'atab - Raimam Sa'ad Fulfilled and pleased with the will of their Lord and his presence.
حجر عليه نقش مسند جنوبي مفقود جزء منه والجزء الواضح يتكون من اربعة أسطر كتبت بطريقة النقر وبخط غائر من اليمين إلى اليسار
النص 1- ن ي ع ث ت ، خ ي ل ، و م ق م ، ش ي م هـ م و ، 2- غ و ن هـ م و ، ب ن ، أ ع غ ب ن ، و ب ذ ت 3- ت أ ت ب ، ر ي م م ، س ع د ، و هـ و ف ي ن 4- ر ي م م ، ر ض و ، و ح ص ي ، م ر أ هـ م
القراءة نيعست خيل ومقام شيمهمو ونهمو بن (من) أعربن (بمعنى قبيلة) وبذت (وتأتتب ريمم سعد وهوفين (بمعنى وأوفى (ريمم بوصية المعبود رضو على مرآ هم (_على سمعهم
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^ You are a repetitive troll, like a parrot. Anyone wasting serious time with you is a fool.
For the last time, Caucasoids are not strictly from the Caucasian region, no more so than Mongoloids all being from Mongolia. The anthropological terms are archetypal in derivation you fucking retard.
Arabians proper are Caucasoid, they are Hamitic and their phenotype is Mediterranid.
''The inhabitants of Arabia may be divided into two general groups: Arabs proper, and the aboriginal inhabitants of Hadhramaut, the Dhofar country, and the island of Socotra. Those who belong to the first category are almost without exception of Mediterranean race, and it is with this group that we are dealing in our search for a pure Mediterranean form. The Hadhramaut, on the other hand, contains a varied population with at least four social and ethnic elements''
So more fail from you again. Arabs are not Black, Arabs proper are Caucasoid of the Med phenotype.
Come back when you decide to pick up an anthropology book.
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ You are a repetitive troll, like a parrot. Anyone wasting serious time with you is a fool.
For the last time, Caucasoids are not strictly from the Caucasian region, no more so than Mongoloids all being from Mongolia. The anthropological terms are archetypal in derivation you fucking retard.
Arabians proper are Caucasoid, they are Hamitic and their phenotype is Mediterranid.
''The inhabitants of Arabia may be divided into two general groups: Arabs proper, and the aboriginal inhabitants of Hadhramaut, the Dhofar country, and the island of Socotra. Those who belong to the first category are almost without exception of Mediterranean race, and it is with this group that we are dealing in our search for a pure Mediterranean form. The Hadhramaut, on the other hand, contains a varied population with at least four social and ethnic elements''
So more fail from you again. Arabs are not Black, Arabs proper are Caucasoid of the Med phenotype.
Come back when you decide to pick up an anthropology book.
The more you post the more you look like a fool.
I have shown you the genetic make up of the Arabian plateau.
That page I quickly looked at. But it basically comes down to that Northern Hg J*2 carriers spread into the Mediterranean. As they mixed with members of Hg E-M78.
Northern Arabs are usually hairy and cold adapted in limb portions.
Southern ...huh, I already described that.
Nowadays it's likely that a lot are just intermediate.
I already explained from the beginning that this history we speak of here deals with Hg E* and J*!
Hamitic people came from Africa a region of CHAD, from there is where they originate!
Hence CHADIC!!!!!
The caucasus is a region, having a narrow pointy nose or less prognathism has nothing to do with it. Rather it deals with situ development!
quote:Viktor Černý1 et al.
Migration of Chadic speaking pastoralists within Africa based on population structure of Chad Basin and phylogeography of mitochondrial L3f haplogroup
We use high-resolution genetic data to investigate the genetic and linguistic support for hypotheses concerning the population history in the Chad Basin. The mitochondrial L3f3 haplogroup is found almost exclusively in Chadic speaking populations and its TMRCA corresponds well with archaeological and linguistic dates of the proposed migration of Chadic speaking pastoralists from East or North East Africa to the Chad Basin.
Haplogroup L3f is defined by the coding variants
3396-4218-15514-15944del and the control region motif 16209–16519 with a TMRCA of 57,100 ± 9,400 YBP. This haplogroup diversifies into sub-haplogroups L3f1, L3f2 and L3f3. The most geographically widespread sub-haplogroup is L3f1, which is distributed across the African continent [3] and also Arabia [32,33] and has a TMRCA of 48,600 ± 11,500 YBP.
..."The youngest clade, L3f1b2, seems to be more frequent in the Middle East. L3f1a seems to be older (37,700 ± 10,000 YBP) than its sister sub-haplogroup L3f1b and is also less diversified. A few samples from Chad belong to these sub-haplogroups: two to L3f1a and one to L3f1b3."
"We then estimated pairwise FST genetic distances between populations (Additional file 4) and displayed these on a MDS plot (Figure 3). Interesting results are immediately evident – while Chadic populations form a relatively homogeneous group, the Cushitic populations split into two completely different clusters. The first group is composed of Horn of African populations, such as Ethiopian and Somali Cushitic populations, which are close to neighbouring Ethiopian Semitic speaking groups and relatively close also to Chadic people from the Chad Basin. The second Cushitic group is composed by more southern groups from Tanzania, i.e. Burunge and Iraqw, who occupy outlier positions even within the Afro-Asiatic MDS plot. In the MDS plot, geography is more strongly associated with genetic distance than is linguistic affiliation.
Overall, we observe that Chadic speaking populations are intermixed with other populations from Chad Basin, including Niger-Congo, Semitic, and Berber speaking people. In this context, it seems that the linguistic categories play a secondary role in structuring the genetic diversity."
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Forgotten African Origins of early Arab speakers: Ethnohistory of the Mahra/Shahara populations
Children of the Bait Kathir (Keturah) and Shahara in southern Arabia. The latter are also known as "Sarah"
“The tribe of Ad were descended from Ad, the son of Aws, the son of Aram, the son of Sem the son of Noah who after the confusion of tongues, settled in al Ahkaf or the winding sands in the province of Hadramaut, where his posterity greatly multiplied. Their first king was Shedad the son of Ad of whom the eastern writers deliver many fabulous things…” From The Koran, translation and notes by George Sale,” 1890, p.5.
“According to Ibn al Mudjawir (271,11,15) the origins of the Mahra are to be sought in the people of Ad, when God destroyed the greater part of them this group of people was saved and went to live in the mountains of Zufar and the islands of Sukutra.” The Encyclopedia of Islam Vol. 6. C.E. Bosworth et. al.
“The southern Arabs claim to be descended from an ancestor called Kahtan son of ‘Abir, son of Shalikh, son of Arfakhshad son of Shem, son of Noah. Kahtan is undoubtedly the Biblical Joktan (Gen 10 26), and the names of his descendants reappear as Arab place names.” (James Orr, 1914, the International Standard Bible Enclopaedia, p. 217). See also Jones’ Dictionary of Old Testament Proper Names. p. 25, 1990- by Alfred Jones.
“When the royal authority of 'Ad was wiped out, their brethren, the Thamud, took over. They were succeeded, in turn, by their brethren, the Amalekites. The Amalekites were succeeded by their brethren, the Himyar. The Himyar were succeeded by their brethren, the Tubba's, who belonged to the Himyar. They, likewise, were succeeded, by the Adhwa'. Then, the Mudar came to power.” Muqaddimah 2:21
Such men of Whom Myths were Made Legends regarding Ad Shedad and the Amalakites
Among the famous children and descendants of Ad are Shedad, Salih or Caleh (Shelah) Tamud or Samud (Dumah), Murith’ad or Marsad and Hud. Shedad is claimed to have conquered much of the Middle East, India and Egypt in ancient times.
Thamud or Tsamud is called the second Ad or remnant of Ad. By the 8th century B.C. the Thamudi are mentioned by the Assyrians in eastern Arabia and Central Arabia and later with their horses by the Romans in Northwestern Arabian area of Duma’ath in Jordan which is named for the tribe. Most Western historians interpret this name as of Dumah or the Idumaeans. Other famous individuals of the Thamud people include Lokhman the wise and Hud.
They are famous for the legendary prophet Salih (Biblical Shelah son of Arfakshad son of Shem of Genesis 10:24). In the Koran one reads: “So Allah sent unto them His Prophet Salih, a man from among them. His name was Salih Ibn 'Ubeid, Ibn Maseh, Ibn 'Ubeid, Ibn Hader, Ibn Thamud, Ibn Ather, Ibn Eram, Ibn Noah. He called his people to worship Allah alone, and to not associate partners with Him. While some of them believed him, the majority of them disbelieved and harmed him by both words and deeds. Salih directed them: "0 my people! Worship Allah, you have no other Ilah (god) but Him." Surah 11: 61
His name is sometimes written by the orientalists recording Arab traditions “Caleh”. “When the first Adites were destroyed by a terrible wind, some of them took refuge among the Ahkaf sands, where they settled but worshipped idols. There they were visited by the prophet Caleh, a cousin of A’aber ben Arem, the reinging king of the Samudites…” According to tradition he is associated with providing his people with a camel that gave them milk perpetually until they cut off the feet and were “destroyed by a terrible noise from heaven” (See Journal of the Asiatic Society of Bombay, 1877 Vol. 12, p. 211).
Al Tabari who lived in the century mentions the same tradition as follows: Salih was son of Ubayd bin Asif bin Masikh bin Ubayd bin Khadir bin Tamud b. Gether b. Aram b. Shem. (See p. 40 Prophets and Patriarchs, William M. Brinner, 1987. While the Bible names these clans also as “children of Isma’el” or as as Abde’el, Dumah, Massah, Hadad or Hadar, and Jetur confirming that Tamud is in fact Dumah, while Gether or Jathar or Athir is in fact Ad who is also son of Aram or else of Uz.
Tabari’s statements make clear that the ancestors Salih, Masikh or Maseh (Massa) and Athir (Jetur) descendants of Kedar son of Ishmael were considered by Arab genealogists to be the same ancestral prophets of Genesis referred to as Shelah son of Arphakshad and Mash and Gether son of Aram, all children of Shem. Furthermore Khadir is also the Hadar or Hadad of the book of Genesis and appears to be the same as the Chedad or Shedad grandson or son of Ad in Arabian tradition.
Cheikh Anta Diop had commented that the Qahtan or semi-legendary “Joktanides” (Qahtan) of Arabia came down from the North conquering the aboriginal tribes of Adites, basing his belief on modern Western interpretations of Biblical and Arabian or Hebrew history. But, in Arabian tradition Ad was a near relative Abir (Biblical Eber) Aus (Uz) and Aram and it is affirmed that the tribes of Ham, Shem and Japhet were actually closely related peoples in origination who had come to settle in southwestern Arabia.
Most people in the West think of “Biblical people” such as “the Hebrews”, Aramaeans and Amalekites in a semilegendary sense, as if such populations weren’t still living. James Orr claimed, “Of the extinct tribes the most familiar name is that of Amlak or Amlik (Amalek). By the Arabian genealogists he is variously described as a grandson of Shem and as a son of Ham.” Early English historian of Arabia, Charles Forster, also made the comment, “The origin and fate of the Ad, as told by Arab tradition, may be dismissed as fable”. However, in most cases Ad, Amalek and the peoples of Genesis are in fact still known under their same tribal names and often found practicing their age old customs. They are now in their least modified form occupying Africa and southern Arabia.
In sources from the early Islamic era the name of the tribe of Amlukh or Amalekites are mentioned as a living clan (batn) of the Ru’ayn in Yemen, “a large tribe” of the Himyarites (Mad’aj p. 88, 91). But colonial documenters like Robert Gordon Latham mention the Amalek in the 19th century still living with the tribe of “Ad” in the environs of the Mahra. In 1859 speaking of the town of Mokalla or Makulla in Hadramaut, Latham wrote - “…the tribes further to the east are those of Mahara, Ad and Amelik” (See Latham’s, Descriptive Ethnology Vol. II London, p. 83.)
More recently another author writes , “’Ad’ or “A’ad” is still the name of a Semitic tribe in the province of Hadramut, Saudi Arabia, whose elders claimed descent from their eponymic ancestor, the great grandson of Noah.” (See Frank Joseph, The Atlantis Encyclopedia, 2005.) In fact today’s Mahra and Shahra are those who were claimed by Arab authors to be of “the remnant of Ad” and these populations still claim “Adite” origins.
In tradition the early ruling clans of the Himyarites and Sabaeans descendants of Qahtan were considered “Adites” or of Thamud. The 1986 New Edition of Encyclopedia of Islam describes the Mahra in Arabia were “of brown complexion with black, often curly hair”. In Arabia they extend from Hadramaut, to Oman. They also live in Somalia in the Horn of Africa and once occupied the isles of Socotra and Comoros and live in Somalia in the Horn of Africa.
Ibn Khaldun calls the Mahra dialect “the language of Ad”. Mahra camels were called Idite (Adite) after the tribe of Idi according to al Hamdani. (See Bosworth 1986, p. 83). The 13th century traveller in Arabia, Ibn Mudjawir of asserted that the Mahra were tall and handsome and the remnant of Ad whom “when God destroyed the greater part of them went to live in the mountains of Zufar and Sokotra and al Masirah in the Yemen and Oman”, a tradition elaborated on by Ibn Khaldun and others. Modern Mahra claim descent from Kuda’a son of Himyar, son of Saba of Yemen. (See the Encylopaedia of Islam (Der Islam im Spiegel zeitgenössischer Literatur der islamischen Welt, p. 82) The Shahra or Shahara to whom the Mahra are closely related also claim to be Adites.
In sources from the early Islamic era the name of the tribe of Amlukh are mentioned as a living clan (batn) of the Ru’ayn in Yemen, which was “a large tribe” of the Himyarites (Mad’aj p. 88, 91). Mad’aj, The Yemen in Early Islam. But colonial documenters like Robert Gordon Latham mention the Amalek in the 19th century still living with the tribe of Ad in the environs of the Mahra. (See Descriptive Ethnology Vol. II, London, 1883, p. 83)
Other names for the Mahra are Sharawi and Sahara while the related Shahra or Shahara tribes are also called “Sarah”. Anciently these tribes of Joktan or Qahtan were called “Saracens” and according to the ancients their ancestor was the Biblical and barren Sarah.
Mahra are described as wearing indigo loin cloths and skirts, while women also wear indigo clothing and wear their hair braided. Mahra tribes although patrilineal today have strong traces of an ancient matrifocal and matrilineal society (Khanam, 2005, p. 537).
Members of Mahra tribe of southeastern Arabia
Mahra Genealogy: The Real Hebrew Genesis
“A tribe called Aulad Sam bin Nuh (the children of Shem), or Amalikah and Amalik, from their ancestor Amlak bin Arfakhshad bin Sam bin Nuh, was inspired with a knowledge of the Arabic tongue: it settled at Al- Madinah, and was the first to cultivate the ground and to plant palm-trees. In course of time these people extended over the whole tract between the seas of Al-Hijaz (the Red Sea) and Al-Oman, (north-western part of the Indian Ocean), and they became the progenitors of the Jababirah (tyrants or “giants”) of Syria, as well as the Farainah (Pharaohs) of Egypt.” Pilgrimage to Al Madinah and Mecca, Richard Burton originally published 1893.
Early Arab histories list the Mahra as a large tribe claiming descent from Himyar through al Haf bin Kudha’a. Ibn Ishaq gave the genealogy as Quda’a bin Malik bin Himyar bin Saba bin Yashjub bin Ya’rub bin Qahtan (or Joktan). Mahra is sometimes called a son of Haydan or Haidan but Abu’l Feda refers to Mahra as the son of Hamdan. (See Abd al Kader a Poem in Six Cantos, Viscount Maidstone, 2004.)
The names of other Himyarite clans (batn) mentioned in early Islamic sources include the batn Ru’ayn (El Ra’wani, El Arawi or Reu’el), Sulaf (Sheleph) Sha’ban (Ishban), Hadramaut, Bahila of the Hamdan, Dhu Tarkhun, Dthu Yazan, Hannah, Haraz, Al Kala, Hawzah (Huz), Juba (Job), Khaba’ir, Sawadah, Jabza (Jebuz), Amlukh (Amalek) of the Ru’ayn, Janad (Janda), Jayshan (Dishan) , Saba (Seba/Sheba), al-Sama (Shammah), Yafi (Afa) of the Ru’ayn, Na’imah (Naamah) Yashub (Jashub) (Mad’aj, 1988, p. 88, 90 and 91). Most of these names are found in the Hebrew book of Genesis.
As for Kudh’a the tribe from which came the Mahra along with Bahra and Shahra, “The name is an early one and can be traced in fragments of the old Arab poetry. The tribes recorded as Ķudā'ī were: Kalb, Djuhayna , Balī, Bahrā’, Khawlān, Mahra, Khushayn, Djarm, 'Udhra, Balkayn, Tanūkh and Salīh". (R. Khanam , 2005, p. 463) These have been compared by different scholars to the Biblical names Kaleb, Gan, Bela, Havila, Kushana, Hadoram, Esdra, Kain and Shelah. Two other tribes of Kudha’a were the Nahd (Nahid or Nod) and the Sha’ban (Shaaban or Eshban). (See also Roger Upton’s, Gleanings from the Arabian Desert, 1881, p. 107)
Among the clans of the Mahrah still living in 15th century Arabia according to Hamid Ruzaq were the Banu Riyam or Rigam, Majid, Gharid, Gharib, Yazid, en Nu’ma, Edh Dhaighar, el Laha, and Janadah. The Benu-Riyam belong to the el Kamar tribes. From History of the Imams and Seyyids of Oman by Hamid Ruzayq p. 57 and 58 by George Percy Bedger London Hakluyt Society, 1871. “The Beni Riyam are of Mahra origin for among the author’s genealogical notices of the el Azd he interpolates a short chapter on ‘Mahrah bin Haidan’, from whom the Mahrah tribes derive their descent. The Rigam or Riyam clan of Mahra is suggested to have come from the peoples known as the Rhagmanitae or Raymanitae of Pliny 1st century and other Greek writers who are mentioned as living in Yemen and the Persian Gulf.
Some see the name connected to Rhagmat or Ra’amah of Biblical tradition – others to Biblical Jerachme’el, brother of Caleb. (See p. 226 of Charles Forster’s, The Historical Geography of Arabia, 1844 and p. 58 of Traditions and Beliefs in Ancient Israel, by Thomas Kelley Cheyney, 1907)
According to Biblical tradition Rekem is a Midianite chief (Numbers 31:1). Rekem or Rigam of Arab tradition (also written in Arab literature Arqam, Rukayim, or Rukaym) was the son of Aram or otherwise, son of Abir (Heber), Aram’s brother, and a son of Ad who led the Mahra to the Hadramaut and Oman from the city of Iram (Arim) of the Adites. Sir Richard Burton recounted the tradition that, “the last king of the Amalek, Arkam bin Arkam was slain by an army of the children of Israel sent by Moses to purge Madinah and Mecca of their infidel inhabitants.” Chapter XVII, Pilgrimmage to al-Madinah and Mecca.
As for “Haydan bin Amr bin Bal-Haf” Ruzayq said he “had two sons Mahrah and ‘Amr. The latter begat Majid, Gharid, Gharib, Yazid, en Nu’ma , edh Dhaighar, el Laha, and Janadah, which families go back to the el Wuhaidan. Mahrah begat Samatra, who had three sons, el Imry, Nada’am and ed Dair. El –Imry begat el Kamar, and el Kamra, and el Masalla, and el-Masaka.” (Badger, 1871, p. 57 )Masaka are also called Banu Masikha further west and considered remnants of the Azd.( Khanam 2005, p. 66)
Haydan or Haidan is also known as a Hadan son of Phut. The Book of Jasher* gives the names of four sons of Phut, Gebul, Hadan, Benah and Adan (7:12). The Kamar or Qamar gave their name to the Comoros Islands off the eastern coast of Africa in the Indian Ocean, and the Masalla or Masila to the wadi Masila.
According to the Middle East Encyclopedia of R. Khanam,“…Wadi Masila, Ras Hasik are ancient regions of the Mahra. The most important existing tribes are the Bayt Kalshat, Bayt Samudat, Bayt Thuwar, Za’banat, Ziyad, Kamsit and Balhaf. ( Khanam,2005, p. 532 vol. 1) The Kalsu, Harawiz, Ghayt (Ghat) and Khenzirit and Thuggara are other tribes p. 532. Mahra bin Haydan bin Amr bin Bal-Haf correspond to place names along the south Arabian seacoast today (p. 534). Other clans are those mentioned by colonialists include the Bayt Isakron (Issachar), Bait Hanifah and Bait Sheitanu (Sidon) and Sayban (Shaiban or Banu Shay) who also made up part of the Bakr Bin Wa’il of Central Arabia.
In Assyrian texts they are the historical Tamudi (circa 8th c B.C.) and in Roman times they are the Saracens called Thamudenioi Equites (equestrian Thamud) who occupied Dumah (modern Duma’at al Janda’ al in Jordan) where they had also came to be called Idumaeans ( Dumah, child of Ishmael). Thamud’s original home however was far to the south as with the rest of the Ismaelites or North Arabian bedouin. These “second Adites” according to some were also those that were ruled by Lokman, son of Ad and who had also left Saba at one of the burstings of the Marib dam of Iram or Aram (modern Yarim).
The Samudayt clan of the Mahra, from which came the name of the historical Tsamud or Thamud, were according to tradition termed “the 2nd A’ad” or remnant of the Adites whose power once extended from Sana’a in Yemen to Syria and Egypt. He is variously called the son of Abir (Eber) or Jathiar (otherwise known as Jetur, Jazar or Gezer). His land was called Adan or Aden (Biblical Eden).
The Samud or Thamud were said to have fought against the Azd leader Joshua son of Nun near Mecca. These Adites holding the area of Mecca and Medina were also known as Amalik or "the Amalekites of Rephidim" (Exodus 17:8-10. It was they who according to both Arabian and Biblical stories met the “Yisra’el” or followers of the Azdite leader Moses at a place called Meriba (Exodus 17:7) (the Sabaean capital of Marib in Yemen).
According to Muslim commentators this king of the Amalekites branch of the Adites, dwelt in the lower part of Mekka “ El-Harith, son of the Himyarite ruler Modad (Almod’ad), king of the Djurham or Darim tribe (Hadoram son of Shem of Genesis) disputed his control of the sanctuary there.” The Hadrami (Adramitae or Dreematae) are mentioned in Greek texts as “Sabaeans”.
Masudi in the 10th century seems to have been referring to this king saying, “The king of Syria, es-Someida, son of Hubar (otherwise Samud son of Abir son of Malik) marched against Joshua, son of Nun and after many fights, was killed by the last one, who conquered his kingdom… The circumstances of this are mentioned in the following verses by Awf, son of Saad, the Djorhamite: Haven’t you seen at Elath (Elah) the skin of the Amalekite (Someida), son of Hubar (Heber), put into shreds when he was attacked by an army of eighty thousand Jews, protected or not by shields? These Amalekite cohorts, who trained meticulously jumped behind him. One hasn’t met them ever since among the mountains of Mekka, and nobody has seen again es-Someida.” (Found in the 10th century Mas’udi’s, The Meadows of Gold, Chapter 39)
El Tabari of the 9th c. had mentioned the Mahra-related clans of Janad and Haydan (Hadan) and Junadah (mentioned previously) as ancestors of the Qays Ailan or Ishmaelites of Northern Arabia. He asserts, “Mudar was the son of Nizar. “ As for Nizar, “ His full brothers were Qunus, Qunasah, Sinam, Haydan, Haydah, Hayadah , Junayd, Junadah, al-Qam, Ubad al Rammah, al- Urf, Awf, Shakk and Quda’ah.” (See The History of Al Tabarii Vol. VI Muhammad at Mecca) Such tribes were the first to speak the Arabic language.
In the Hebrew Bible Amalek has a half brother named Kenaz, a reference to Qunasah and Qunus whose name is probably preserved in the modern Khenzirit clan of the Mahra, and another named Gatam a reference to the Khath’am tribe who lived further west and had also once been settled in Marib in the Yemen. Some of the current inhabitants of Beisha in southwest Arabia, the Shahran, Nahish (Naphish) and Aklub, are said to descend from Khath’am. (Khanam p. 433)
The name Rahawiyyin or Ru’ayn of Arabian sources is the name of the tribe Rahawiin, Rahawayn or Rahanwayn in Arabia and Somalia and is related to an ancient south Arabian chief known as al Arawi or Ra’wani (Tabari/Hamdani). The Biblical book of Genesis refers to him as Reu’el. Amalek was the brother of Reu’el (Genesis 36). Reu’el is the name of a Midianite leader besides being a brother of Amalek in the Bible. Amalek is the son of “the Hittite woman” Adah (Genesis 36) from which is said to come the name of the tribe of Ad. Further north such clans came to be called Ruwalla.
The book of Genesis 36 affirms that Hamdan or Hamran (as various versions have it) was the son of Dishan (historical Banu Jayshan of the Ru’ayn Himyarites) - along with Eshban, Ithran and Cheran. They are mentioned as descendants of Zibeon the Hivite who are called Canaanites in the Bible. They are likely the same as people called Hawt a tribe of the Madhij in the Yemen today. The Madhhij or Madhij were a large branch of the Hamdan who in the time of Mohammed were often mentioned in the southern Arabian area. They are also called the Malik bin Udad descendants of Yashjub (Jashub) a descendant of Kahlan brother of Himyar. Other clans of Maddhij included the Murad, Qaran and Nakhl or An-Nakha.
Cheran, brother of Hamdan of Genesis 36, is undoubtedly the name of the Qaran clan of the Murad (also known as Amurat today in Syria) and another brother,Eshban the name of the Sha’ban Himyarites (Ishban also called Siinbar Yashbin, Beshman in Arabic literature), Ithran (called Yathrib, Bathran or Botr) and Cheran (Qaran) are the Canaanite/Edomite (Yemenite) populations whom according to both African and Arabian tradition had early on populated parts of the Sudan - the latter named after a son of Canaan (or the Arabian people called Kenaaniyya) who were most anciently settled in the southwest of the Arabian peninsula. They are also called the children of Esau or el Ais in Arabic.
Reuel’s sons are Shammah, Zerah, Nahath, Mizza conforming to the modern Banu Shammar, Zarah, Udthan ancestor of Daws and Dawasir, and Ma’aza. “These were the sons of Reuel, Esau’s son: Chief Nahath, Chief Zerah, Chief Shammah, and Chief Mizzah. These were the chiefs of Reuel in the land of Edom.” (Genesis 36)
The Edomites in the Bible are also the Horites of Canaan and near them were the Madianites and Amalek. According to the text, Akhbar al Zaman, attributed to Mas’udi, among the descendants of Sudan son of Canaan were the Eshban, the Zanj and many of the people that multiplied in the Maghrib, about 70 of them. Thus Yemenite Qaran and Ishban (Sha’ban) along with “the 70 tribes that multiplied in the Maghrib” (Northwest Africa) are descendants of Canaan who are said to be “black” in these and other early sources (Goldenberg, 2003, p. 107). Qaran are also called Murad (Amurath further north) in various writings. Canaan and its cities were evidently located in southwest Arabia before its peoples spread north colonizing Syria. (See Kamal Salibi’s, The Bible Came from Arabia, 1985)
Zibeon "the Horite" is the tribe of Banu Zubyan, (called Dhubyan or Dhubaniyya in Sudan) once occupying the Harrat (Horite) region in Yemen. They are a well-known tribe whose descendants still live in modern Sudan and Arabia. It is clear that the children Esau, Himyar, Saba, Ad, Amluk, Cush and Canaan are represented by many of the copper black and dark reddish brown inhabitants of Somalia, parts of Arabia the Sahara, northern parts of the Sudan, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Sudan and Eritrea. However, as we shall see in other chapters the sons of Noah in total are in fact well represented by Afro-Arabians still in the Arabian peninsula “in their lands and places” and under their age-old names.
By tradition the ancestors of the Afro-Arabians mentioned above and still living in Arabia and Africa are also those who had once colonized regions further north before and in the time of Moses. Said Josephus a Roman of the Jewish faith, “The children of Ham possessed the land from Syria and Amanus, and the mountains of Libanus; seizing upon all that was on its sea-coasts, and as far as the ocean, and keeping it as their own. Some indeed of its names are utterly vanished away; others of them being changed, and another sound given them, are hardly to be discovered; yet a few there are which have kept their denominations entire. “ Josephus Antiquities of the Jews, Book I, Chapter 6
The remnants of these people were called children of Javan and Japhet.
To be continued…
*The Book of Jasher is one of several so-called lost books of the Bible.
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Goldenberg, David M. (2003) The Curse of Ham: Race and Slavery in Early Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
Safi ur Rahman Al Mubarakpuri. (2002). The Sealed Nectar Biography of the Noble Prophet.
Khanam, R. (2005). Encyclopaedic Ethnography of Middle East and Central Asia
Mad’aj,Abdul. Mad’aj, Abd al-Musin. (1988). The Yemen in Early Islam (9-233/630-847). Ithaca Press.
Shammar bedouin in Arabia. Said to be from Shammah or the Hebrew Saami or Shamma son of Reu'el(Ra'wani or El Arawi).
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Author Tariq Berry:
The Ancient Arabs' Description of the Pure Arabs
The best way to get a true picture of what the original Arabs of the past looked like is to ask the original Arabs of the past themselves. So let's take a look at what the original, pure Arabs of 1400 years ago said about the appearance of the pure Arabs.
Let's begin with Miskeen Al Darimi the well-known, pure-blooded Arab poet of the 7th century AD. Miskeen is his nickname, but his real name is Rabee' the son of 'Aamir the son of Unaif the son of Shaarih the son of 'Amru the son of Zaid the son of Abdellah the son of 'Uds the son of Darim the son of Malik the son of Handhala the son of Zaid Manah the son of Tamim the son of Murr the son of Udd the son of Taabikha the son of Yaas the son of Mudar the son of Nizar the son Ma'add the son of Adnan.
It's a known fact that Miskeen was black-skinned. He once proposed to a girl and she rejected him because of his blackness and his poorness. The girl later married a rich man who was from a tribe not as pure Arab as Miskeen's tribe. Miskeen one day saw the the girl who rejected him because of his blackness and poorness sitting with her husband, who was from a tribe not as pure as Miskeen's tribe. Miskeen stopped and said to them:
"I am Miskeen, for those who know me. My color is dark, the color of the Arabs."
Need I say more? Didn't Miskeen, the famous, 7th century, pure-blooded, black-skinned Arab from the famous Arab tribes of Banu Darim and Banu Tamim, say enough when he said that his black complexion is the color of the Arabs? Aren't Miskeen's revealing words enough proof that the original, pure Arabs were black-skinned? Would black-skinned Miskeen, who was a pure Arab from a pure Arab tribe, say that his black complexion was the color of the Arabs if his tribe (Banu Darim and Banu Tamim) and the Arabs he lived amongst weren't a black-skinned people?
JOURNAL OF WORLD PREHISTORY Volume 12, Number 1, 55-119, DOI: 10.1023/A:1022449224342
Christopher Edens and T. J. Wilkinson
Southwest Arabia During the Holocene: Recent Archaeological Developments.
Abstract Recent fieldwork has considerably increased our knowledge of early Holocene settlement in Southwest Arabia. Neolithic settlement occurred within an environmental context of increased monsoonal moisture that continued during the mid-Holocene. A now well-attested Bronze Age exemplified by village- and town-scale settlements occupied by sedentary farmers developed toward the end of the mid-Holocene moist interval. The high plateau of Yemen was an early focus for the development of Bronze Age complex society, the economy of which relied upon terraced rain-fed and runoff agriculture. On the fringes of the Arabian desert, the precursors of the Sabaean literate civilization have been traced back to between 3600 and 2800 B.P., and even earlier, so that a virtually continuous archaeological record can now be described for parts of Yemen. In contrast to the highlands these societies relied upon food production from large-scale irrigation systems dependent upon capricious wadi floods. Bronze Age settlement, while showing some links with the southern Levant, now shows equal or stronger linkages with the Horn of Africa across the Red Sea. Although some regions of Yemen show breaks in occupation, others show continuity into the Sabaean period when a series of major towns grew up in response to the incense trade with the north. It is now clear that these civilizations grew up on the foundations of earlier Bronze Age complex societies.
Battaglia et al. (2007) estimated that E-M78 ("E1b1b1a1" in that paper) has been in Europe longer than 10,000 years. And more recently, human remains excavated in a Spanish funeral cave dating from approximately 7000 years ago were shown to be in this haplogroup
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quote:Originally posted by facts: I had to straighten out Betty boo not to long ago, and it seems that I have done the same with you! Oh, and its 'barely,' not "baraly." Now, why would I need to challenge Wesley? I gain nothing from it. The fact still remains that he is incorrect in his 'exegesis' on God's body. No legitimate Hebrew scholar promotes that BS he peddles to the deaf dumb and blind Negroes.
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Maybe we can arranged something.
quote: You can barely write a proper sentence.
Learn your verb conjugation so you can construct a sentence properly before you try to come at me like that LMAO!!!
LOOOL ENGLISH IS NOT MY FIRST LANGUAGE, SO SOMETIMES I MAY LEAVE SOME VERB CONJUGATION OUT BY ACCIDENT. HOWEVER, I AM MULTILINGUAL!
YOU LIVE IN AN ENGLISH SPEAKING NATION, YET MAKE GRAMMATICAL FAULT AFTHER FAULT! LOOOOOL THIS REALLY SPEAKS VOLUMES!
THE FACT REMAINS THAT YOU CAN'T BARALY WRITE A PROPER ENLISH SENTENCE! And of course not one word about a challenge!
LOL @ "Noah was born with Aryan..." Aryans are Iranians!
When I wrote last night, it was late. So yes, I did overlook some of my grammar.
However, anthropomorphism and visual theophany is a credible theory within the field of Theology. And this is what he teaches. Or are you claiming that he made up these words himself?
Anthropomorphism and theophany deals with Kabbalah rituals.
‘Yahweh is a Man’
This incorporeal, non-anthropomorphic deity of the Greek philosophers (see our paper ‘Is God a Spirit?’) is in stark contrast to the God of biblical tradition. The God of the Hebrew Bible (HB) is without question a man. He is anthropomorphic: he has a human form. He is anthropopathic*: he has human feelings. And, importantly, he is called a man repeatedly in the HB, a fact lost in the various English translations. Hebrew has five words (plus their derivatives) for man: איש "îà, גבר geber, אדם, ’ādhām, אנוש, ’enôš and מת, mt. The last three terms connote human frailty and weakness and as such are never applied to God.17 It is a different story, however, with איש "îà and גבר geber. These two terms connote strength, kingship, and spirituality18 and the HB declares that God is this sort of man19: Yahweh is an איש "îà and גבר geber, or rather גבור gibbôr, mighty man.20 The Book of Exodus states emphatically YHWH "îà milÈāmāh, “Yahweh is a man of war (15:3).”21 This is not a metaphor*, but a divine title22 and, according to a tradition of the Jewish rabbis, a description of how Yahweh physically appeared to the Hebrews at the Red Sea.
On Betty Boo, I did read along. And it was you who was straightened out by her...not the other way around. You are basically a dummy.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
ANTHROPOMORPHISM and ANTHROPOPATHISM (άνϑρωπος, "man"; μορφή, "form"; πάϑος, "feeling"):
ANTHROPOMORPHISM, the attribution to God of human physical form or psychological characteristics. Anthropomorphism is a normal phenomenon in all primitive and ancient polytheistic religions. In Jewish literary sources from the Bible to the aggadah and Midrashim, the use of anthropomorphic descriptions and expressions (both physical and psychical) is also widespread. Yet at the same time it is accepted as a major axiom of Judaism, from the biblical period onward, that no material representation of the Deity is possible or permissible. The resolution of this apparent contradiction requires consideration and understanding of virtually every anthropomorphic expression. In every instance it should be asked whether the expression is an actual, naively concrete personification of God, or a fresh and vital form of religious awareness resorting to corporeal imagery, or an allegorical expression, in which the anthropomorphism is not merely an aesthetic means for the shaping of a particular perception or utterance, but is rather a conscious method of artificially clothing spiritual contents in concrete imagery.
The evolutionary approach to the study of religion, which mainly developed in the 19th century, suggested a line of development beginning with anthropomorphic concepts and leading up to a more purified spiritual faith. It argued, among other things, that corporeal representations of the Deity were more commonly found in the older portions of the Bible than in its later books. This view does not distinguish between the different possible explanations for anthropomorphic terms. It especially fails to account for the phenomenon common in the history of all cultures, that sometimes a later period can be more primitive than an earlier one. In fact, both personifications of the Deity as well as attempts to avoid them are found side by side in all parts of the Bible. The paucity of anthropomorphisms in certain works is not necessarily proof of any development in religion, but may well be due to the literary characteristics and intentions of certain biblical narratives, e.g., the narratives designed to express the growing distance between God and man through describing His relationship to Adam, the patriarchs, and the early and late prophets, etc.
^Listen Troll, anthropomorphism is not kosher in Judaism. It goes against Jewish law. Wesley is pushing Jewish heresy, aka, Qabbala. I would never waste my time to debate Wesley because he does not understand Orthodox Judaism. He is busying himself in the realm of pseudo-Judaism. I leave you with this...
Exd 20:4 ¶ Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:
Anthropomorphism breaks that commandment.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by facts: ^Listen Troll, anthropomorphism is not kosher in Judaism. It goes against Jewish law. Wesley is pushing Jewish heresy, aka, Qabbala. I would never waste my time to debate Wesley because he does not understand Orthodox Judaism. He is busying himself in the realm of pseudo-Judaism. I leave you with this...
Exd 20:4 ¶ Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:
Anthropomorphism breaks that commandment.
lol, At this stupid AshkeNazi. Anthropomorphism is a fact within ancient Hebrew culture. The notations of the scripture was done by a council of high priests, performing Kabbalah rituals. Originally the scripture wasn't meant for common man, to misinterpret. Or even to be altered by folks such as King James.
Anthropomorphism is even in the prophecy of the ONE!
Your quote is completely irrelevant to this issue.
KABBALAH is very real.
Numbers 11:25 Then the LORD came down in the cloud and spoke with him, and he took of the Spirit that was on him and put the Spirit on the seventy elders. When the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied, but they did not do so again.
22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”
Our Lady of Good Deliverance, Neuilly near Paris, 14th C. variation on 11th C. original
Romanesque Madonna of Chastreix, Puy-de-Dome, France Photo: Francis Debaisieux
Our Lady of Meymac, France, 12th century
Our Lady of Le Puy photo: Francis Debaisieux France, reproduction, because the original was burnt during the revolution, like witches on public execution pyres, to cries of: "Death to the Egyptian!"
Our Lady of the Good Death (Notre Dame de la Bonne Mort), 12th century, Clermont-Ferrand, France, discovered in 1972 in the mortuary chapel of a bishop.
Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
^^RFLOL!!!
Here is the passage you are quoting:
Gen 10.8, V'kush yalad et-Nimrod hu hekhel lihyot gibor b'erets
Translation:
And Cush beget Nimrod, he began to profane [religiously], becoming mighty in [the] earth.
What does your passage have to do with the following titles:
"Adam Kadmon" (Adam of antiquity) "YHWH ish Milhamah" (Yahweh, man of war)
This will be interesting.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by facts: ^^RFLOL!!!
Here is the passage you are quoting:
Gen 10.8, V'kush yalad et-Nimrod hu hekhel lihyot gibor b'erets
Translation:
And Cush beget Nimrod, he began to profane [religiously], becoming mighty in [the] earth.
What does your passage have to do with the following titles:
"Adam Kadmon" (Adam of antiquity) "YHWH ish Milhamah" (Yahweh, man of war)
This will be interesting.
Huhmmm stupid AshkeNazi....that question is a bit dumb. lol
Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
^Are you saying Nimrod carried those titles or something? That he was an Adam? That he was Yahweh? Speak up for yourself. LMAO!
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by facts: ^Are you saying Nimrod carried those titles or something? That he was an Adam? That he was Yahweh? Speak up for yourself. LMAO!
LOL, After what I have posted in previous posts about the ATTRIBUTES, I know now that you really don't understand.....
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the AMEN, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wet cold or hot. ( Revelation 3:14-15 )
The Earliest Known Image of the Virgin Mary (Circa 150 CE)
Note how their GARMENTS are the exact same colour as their skin, and their faces are just blobs.
Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
You're dumb and you don't understand Hebrew. Trust me, what you are claiming is bullock.
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: LOL, After what I have posted in previous posts about the ATTRIBUTES, I know now that you really don't understand.....
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the AMEN, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wet cold or hot. ( Revelation 3:14-15 )
The Earliest Known Image of the Virgin Mary (Circa 150 CE)
quote:Originally posted by facts: You're dumb and you don't understand Hebrew. Trust me, what you are claiming is bullock.
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: LOL, After what I have posted in previous posts about the ATTRIBUTES, I know now that you really don't understand.....
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the AMEN, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wet cold or hot. ( Revelation 3:14-15 )
The Earliest Known Image of the Virgin Mary (Circa 150 CE)
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by facts: [QB] You're dumb and you don't understand Hebrew. Trust me, what you are claiming is bullock.
Check out the 'black beauty' threads, where Troll Patrol posts pictures of heavily white admixed females, and then tries to pass them off as ''black''. lol. He's a self-hater.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ lol.
That image is a brown coloured silhouette.
Note how their GARMENTS are the exact same colour as their skin, and their faces are just blobs.
I have posted so much info, you simple should walk off in shame.
With your face covered in your mask.
A bedouin of Jordan in Western wear
Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
It is typical of him. He hates his indigenous Black features so chooses to pass off heavily admixed features as Black.
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by facts: [QB] You're dumb and you don't understand Hebrew. Trust me, what you are claiming is bullock.
Check out the 'black beauty' threads, where Troll Patrol posts pictures of heavily white admixed females, and then tries to pass them off as ''black''. lol. He's a self-hater.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by facts: [QB] You're dumb and you don't understand Hebrew. Trust me, what you are claiming is bullock.
Check out the 'black beauty' threads, where Troll Patrol posts pictures of heavily white admixed females, and then tries to pass them off as ''black''. lol. He's a self-hater.
Now you simple have no more argument. So you start crappy arguments and NAZI BABBLE!
You've been dismissed BIG TIME it's only you who doesn't realise it yet!!!!
It's because you live in a world of fantasies and NBP delusions.
It's you who is ashamed of his celtic hut. Now you try cling onto my history and culture! lol
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by facts: It is typical of him. He hates his indigenous Black features so chooses to pass off heavily admixed features as Black.
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by facts: [QB] You're dumb and you don't understand Hebrew. Trust me, what you are claiming is bullock.
Check out the 'black beauty' threads, where Troll Patrol posts pictures of heavily white admixed females, and then tries to pass them off as ''black''. lol. He's a self-hater.
My indigenous features? LOOOOL
What is that suppose to mean?
Indigenous to what? LOOOL
Such Nazi babble, it's hilarious!
The two of you are equally stupid, as if you are the same person. loool
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
^ Troll Patrol you've made it clear you despise the Negroid phenotype, don't deny the obvious. This is why your racial definition of Black has shifted to include heavily white admixed people so you can claim straighter hair and thinner noses.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ Troll Patrol you've made it clear you despise the Negroid phenotype, don't deny the obvious. This is why your racial definition of Black has shifted to include heavily white admixed people so you can claim straighter hair and thinner noses.
More of your nonsense as usually!
It's really hilarious!
Just the other minute you called the Cushitic people cacasoid. As if it really means something ? As if we are we are supposes to be happy. Because WE are so called expected by HAIRY CAUCASIANS FROM THE CAUCASUS MOUNTAINS!!! lol
You are a diluted BRITSH BOY! With weak emotions.
Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
Indigenous Negroid features:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: My indigenous features? LOOOOL
What is that suppose to mean?
Indigenous to what? LOOOL
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by facts: Indigenous Negroid features:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: My indigenous features? LOOOOL
What is that suppose to mean?
Indigenous to what? LOOOL
Yes, what is that suppose to mean... this what I am asking you DUMB ASS AshkenNazi.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by facts: Indigenous Negroid features:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: My indigenous features? LOOOOL
What is that suppose to mean?
Indigenous to what? LOOOL
So dumb fascist AshkeNazi. How is that indigenous. How does that make it her the archetype?
Typical AshkeNazi behaviour. Maybe you can quote that passage from the Babylonian Tenakh on Ham.
How does it mean we all have to look like her?
From where is she, to what region does she belong historically etc...?
It's clear you aren't very bright at all.
It's a crying shame isn't it.
Ruven Ben Ramanachem
Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
Troll, are you ashamed of those features and being associated with them? Yes or No.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
Troll Patrol, someone that looks like me, looks far less out of place, than a Negroid, in North and East Africa. North & East Africans are heavily Caucasoid admixed. This is fact.
European-Somali mixed offspring look fully Caucasoid... they pass as white europeans.
Somali-Russian model Katja Schekina:
In contrast, mixed Negroid-Caucasoid offspring unlike Somali cannot pass as white.
this is what a half-caste looks like:
Compare this photo to Katja Schekina...
Care to explain?
You deny Somalis are heavily Caucasoid, so why do European-Somali's look fully like white europeans, as in the case of katja shchekina?
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by facts: Patrol, are you ashamed of those features and being associated with them? Yes or No.
Your question is a extreme DUMB one.
As I asked you before, what do you mean...but you can't seem to pinpoint what the hell you're talking about. This is the funniest part of all.
You run away from me questions. By asking me if I am ashamed of my features? So you don t have to show your stupidity again. lol
No I am not, and have no problem with how I look, nor do most females.I am very pleased and contend. Now, DO YOU...? LOL
quote: and as expected you did not respond, typical coward action..it's been over 30 minutes now, you filthy racist cry me a river AshkeNazi
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Troll Patrol, someone that looks like me, looks far less out of place, than a Negroid, in North and East Africa. North & East Africans are heavily Caucasoid admixed. This is fact.
European-Somali mixed offspring look fully Caucasoid... they pass as white europeans.
Somali-Russian model Katja Schekina:
In contrast, mixed Negroid-Caucasoid offspring unlike Somali cannot pass as white.
this is what a half-caste looks like:
Compare this photo to Katja Schekina...
Care to explain?
You deny Somalis are heavily Caucasoid, so why do European-Somali's look fully like white europeans, as in the case of katja shchekina?
Not only do I and all other denial THAT SOMALIS HAVE CACA-ADMIXTURE. IT IS A PROVEN FACT the are PREDOMINANTLY AFRICAN!
Your example is a poor one and of someone uneducated.
Situ development provided the traits with in Horn people and other East Africans (including Northeast). The region is suited for this, after having lived there for many tens and thousands of years. But this is something you of course don't know and will not understand. All of what you claim isn't in the COLLECTIVE MEMORY. And genealogy is a very important aspect of the African culture. But what you Europeans claim is just not TRUE!!!! You try to fiddle in as important when you just aren't!
You base you theories of crazy fantasies of white supremacy.
East Africans etc.. aren't HAIRY AS MANY EURASIANS AND EUROPEANS WHO HAPPEN TO BE COLD ADAPTED. WHICH IS A FACT!!!!! We are the opposite, we are TROPICAL ADAPTED LONG LIMBS AND HAVE BASICALLY NO BODY HAIR!!!! This is where your extensive hairy, cold adapted Eurocentric ass lie ends!
Northwest Africans do have a lot of admixture, and this is also recored in their own history. Mostly from eurasian FEMALES. Which makes you wonder?
I don't know Katja Shchekin, but her admixture doesn't indicate anything. That in itself is just a crazy notion. Could be her Somali parent was already light skinned.
Nor does her admixture indicate that Africans who look a bit like her are of shame mixture. That in itself is just a crazy notion.
How can an entire continent so LARGE, so OLD inhabited with diverse regions, climates...landscapes etc.. still produce the same people in phenotype everywhere??? lol
That is just dumb to even think, let alone express! Yet, your tiny europe was miraculous and produced an abundance of caucasoid diversity. lol
Fact is however, all Africans genetically relate despite of how they look within their region. And these is is no ancient history of cold adapted hairy Eurasians or Europeans in all of Africa, this is in only in the world of nazism and fascist doctrine.
You are ashamed of your CELTIC HUT culture. Go back to your Celtic hut and shut up. I have nothing to do with you.
Again, you simply didn't wonder around, by foot all over Africa? LOL
And what the hell happened to your remains! LOL, There is no COLLECTIVE MEMORY of such a "Miraculous EVENT" within oral or recorded tradition? lol
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
Typo, "wander around" : you never did. You only recently started to discover the world.
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