Dr. Guy Scott (born 1 June 1944) is a Zambian politician. He has been Vice President of Zambia since September 2011.
Scott was born in 1944 in Livingstone. His father, Alec Scott, moved there in 1927, while his mother, Grace, emigrated in 1940.
Scott completed his education in Southern Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) and the United Kingdom at Cambridge University and the University of Sussex, where he obtained a degree in economics and a PhD in cognitive science respectively. His participation in Zambian politics was inspired by his late father who was an ally of Zambian nationalists and a founder of anti-colonial government newspapers. During the 1950s, his father was a member of the federal parliament for Lusaka, standing on an independent ticket.
Zambian vice-president: ‘South Africans are backward’
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Guy Scott wastes little time on diplomatic language as he lets loose on Africa’s biggest economy, race, Mugabe and gay rights, according to the Guardian of UK.
One of the most colourful men in African politics happens to be white. Guy Scott is the vice-president of Zambia but his race is probably the least exceptional thing about him.
On a recent afternoon in the capital, Lusaka, Scott held court with the kind of candour – and eccentricity – seldom heard from today’s media-honed political class. He dismissed South Africans as “backward”, insisted that Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe wants to quit, and discussed Zambia by way of references to Marlon Brando and the Klingon empire.
The 68-year-old grandfather was just back from Margaret Thatcher’s funeral in London when he took the Guardian on an impromptu tour of an emerald auction at the InterContinental Lusaka hotel. Discussing similar auctions in India with a deferential salesman, Scott said: “Jaipur is a terrible dump. It produces nothing but zinc.”
As officials fluttered around him, Scott, wearing a dark suit, blue striped shirt and blue and red tie, was informed that the Hollywood actor Mila Kunis recently visited a local mine as an “ambassador” for Zambian emeralds. “How come I didn’t see her?” he pondered morosely.
The son of English and Scottish immigrants – his father Alexander was also an MP here – Scott then gave an interview that wasted little time on diplomatic language. Discussing neighbouring Zimbabwe, where Mugabe has ruled for 33 years, he disclosed: “I think if you asked him he’d say it was enough. That’s what he said to us a few months ago. I said the way forward in African democracy is the way we do it in Zambia. He said, ‘I absolutely agree, I wish it would happen to me.’”
As in lose an election? “Yes, and a smooth handover. I think he meant it, or he was toying with the idea of meaning it. He wanted to hear how it sounded, maybe. Or something.”
Scott went on to describe 89-year-old Mugabe’s persona. “He’s a funny chap. He seems to doze off and then he suddenly laughs at a joke while in the middle of dozing. And very articulate, without a note, without a scrap of anything.
“He’s an anglophone. He loves to give lectures on the English language, English weighing systems, English this or that. He was a teacher and so he taught himself all that.”
Zambian president Michael Sata – whom Scott refers to as “the boss” – is known to be on friendly terms with Mugabe, who used to work as a teacher in Zambia. “I’m sure any good African nationalist admires Mugabe,” the vice-president added. “Racism in Zimbabwe is a serious issue. I was sent to school down there and it was like being in the Hitler Youth: the theories about black inferiority and this kind of stuff.
“It was a whites-only school; they tried to introduce an Indian and he was hounded out at the instigation of the parents of the boys. I think Mugabe is a product of having to contend with that.”
But Scott has far less time for South Africa, the continent’s biggest economy. “The South Africans are very backward in terms of historical development,” he said. “I hate South Africans. That’s not a fair thing to say because I like a lot of South Africans but they really think they’re the bees’ knees and actually they’ve been the cause of so much trouble in this part of the world.
“I have a suspicion the blacks model themselves on the whites now that they’re in power. ‘Don’t you know who we are, man?’”
Scott scoffed at the inclusion of South Africa in the Brics grouping of emerging economies. “They think in Brics that the ‘s’ actually stands for South Africa whereas it stands for Africa. Nobody would want to go in for a partnership with Brazil, China, India and South Africa for Christ’s sake.
“I dislike South Africa for the same reason that Latin Americans dislike the United States, I think. It’s just too big and too unsubtle.”
Warming to his theme, Scott let rip at South African President Jacob Zuma, comparing him with the last apartheid leader, FW de Klerk. “He’s very like De Klerk. He tells us, ‘You just leave Zimbabwe to me.’ Excuse me, who the hell liberated you anyway, was it not us? I mean, I quite like him, he seems a rather genial character but I pity him his advisers.”
Fewer than 40,000 of Zambia’s 13 million-strong population are white. Scott, a wildly popular MP for Lusaka, notes that the country has more than 80 tribes and several major language groups. “That doesn’t add up to a bipolar formula for the scrap” along racial lines.
He became vice-president in 2011 but his presence baffles some African leaders at high-level meetings. “I think they regard me as a sort of mascot, a good luck charm for African politics. Michael’s very clever, he knows people tend to regard him as a racist because he talks rough.
“He’s usually tried it out on me already. He says things like, ‘What would you be if you weren’t white?’ I said, ‘The president?’ That shut him up.”
But opposition parties have accused the Sata-Scott leadership of orchestrating violence, banning rallies, throwing dissenters in jail and dragging Zambia towards authoritarianism. Scott sarcastically predicted that opponents would complain to the Commonwealth, then the UN and, if still unsuccessful, the Klingon empire.
“It’s a wheeze, it’s an attempt I suppose based on some of the stuff that took place in Russia to denounce a government rather than eject it,” he said. “But I really am very hard-pressed to find a corner I can sit in and believe that we’re looking at a one-party state again.”
He added: “It doesn’t help that people don’t know where Zambia is and they don’t know what Zambia is like. If you were to write a story about America getting out of hand and going to a one-party state, everybody knows so much about the United States that they won’t believe you.
“If you say, ‘Somewhere over there in the African hinterland, not far from where Marlon Brando had a house surrounded by stakes with heads of his enemies on, not far from the Congo, there’s a place where there’s a one-party state …’ Well, there probably is, probably several. And so it’s a lot easier for that because there’s no built-in balance.”
One recent incident in which Zambia’s civil liberties credentials took a battering, however, was the arrest of a human rights activist who had appeared on live TV calling for homosexuality to be decriminalised.
Scott admitted: “The problem with this guy going on television was that we had to do something because if we had done absolutely nothing we would have got a bollocking from all these evangelical churches plus damn idiots. On the other hand, we didn’t want to give him a particularly hard ride.”
As newspapers and TV shows whipped up homophobia, Scott set out priorities that offer little consolation to anyone who is gay. “I think you’ve got so much cleaning up to do of killings and defilements and this and that, it’s almost self-indulgent to think, ‘Well, why don’t we sit here and talk about gay rights?’
“It’s indulgent politics that assumes yes, we don’t actually have 7 million unemployed people. Realistically, I think even an average gay, if you gave him a list of all the concerns Zambia had, would not necessarily put gay rights on top.”
He went on: “There’s tonnes of gay joints in this town. Well, not tonnes but they’re there, well known. It’s entirely the same phenonemon you get anywhere else. It’s live and let live. Stirring up and making it worse, that is the biggest danger. Let sleeping dogs lie is an easier policy.”
If Sata were to die in office, Scott would make history as the first democratic white leader in Africa, albeit as a three-month caretaker until an election was held. Seeking the presidency full-time would be “a bridge too far” for qualifying rules because his parents were born outside the country.
Scott, whose wife is from Greenwich, south-east London, has health worries of his own, including a right hand that trembles slightly. “It’s possibly Parkinson’s, I haven’t had it diagnosed yet.” He is also concerned about possible cancer under one eye. “In my age group, there is on average six things wrong with you at any one time.”
Scott departed, stepping into a lift and flanked by security guards, making a quip about how many emeralds he could conceal in his hand. ___________________________________
Zambian opposition leader Hakaimbe Hichilema's lashed out at Scott; calling him 'the stupidest white man' he's met.
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Michael Chilufya Sata (born 1937) is a Zambian politician who has been the fifth President of Zambia since 23 September 2011. A social democrat,] he leads the Patriotic Front (PF), a major political party in Zambia. Under President Frederick Chiluba, Sata was a minister during the 1990s as part of the Movement for Multiparty Democracy (MMD) government; he went into opposition in 2001, forming the PF. As an opposition leader, Sata—popularly known as "King Cobra"—emerged as the leading opposition presidential contender and rival to President Levy Mwanawasa in the 2006 presidential election, but was defeated. Following Mwanawasa's death, Sata ran again and lost to President Rupiah Banda in 2008.
After ten years in opposition, Sata defeated Banda, the incumbent, to win the September 2011 presidential election with a plurality of the vote.
Policies
On 8 September 2008, Sata claimed that he would protect Chinese investment if he was elected, abandoning the hostility towards Chinese investment that he had expressed during the 2006 presidential election campaign.
During the 2006 election campaign he was reported to have said of Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe that "Mugabe hasn't done anything wrong. It is the imperialists, the capitalist-roaders, who say he is a villain."
In 2008, he said that he would revoke licenses for foreign investors if they resisted his orders to give at least a 25% stake in their companies to Zambians.[
At his inauguration as President of Zambia, Sata assured foreign investors that they are welcome in his country, Africa's biggest copper producer, but said they must improve conditions for their Zambian employees
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About 68% of Zambians live below the recognised national poverty line,[33] with rural poverty rates standing at about 78%[34] and urban rates of 53%.[35] Zambia ranked 117th out of 128 countries on the 2007 Global Competitiveness Index, which looks at factors that affect economic growth.[36] Social indicators continue to decline, particularly in measurements of life expectancy at birth (about 40.9 years) and maternal mortality (830 per 100,000 pregnancies).[37] The country's rate of economic growth cannot support rapid population growth or the strain which HIV/AIDS-related issues place on the economy.
During the decades of Kaunda's socialist policies, Zambia fell into poverty, especially after international copper prices declined in the 1970s. The socialist regime made up for falling revenue with several abortive attempts at International Monetary Fund structural adjustment programmes (SAPs). After the dictatorship ended, successive governments have begun limited reforms. The economy stagnated until the late 1990s. In 2007 Zambia recorded its ninth consecutive year of economic growth. Inflation was 8.9%, down from 30% in 2000.
The Zambian economy has historically been based on the copper mining industry. Output of copper had fallen, however, to a low of 228,000 metric tons in 1998, after a 30-year decline in output due to lack of investment, low copper prices, and uncertainty over privatisation. In 2002, following privatisation of the industry, copper production rebounded to 337,000 metric tons. Improvements in the world copper market have magnified the effect of this volume increase on revenues and foreign exchange earnings.
The Zambian government is pursuing an economic diversification program to reduce the economy's reliance on the copper industry. This initiative seeks to exploit other components of Zambia's rich resource base by promoting agriculture, tourism, gemstone mining, and hydro-power.
Agriculture plays a very important part in Zambia's economy providing many more jobs than the mining industry. Zambia officially has extensive social protection targeted at low-capacity households, including social assistance (protection) and social insurance programmes (prevention), and programmes to improve economic productivity (promotion). However, these programmes face immense challenges and the actual coverage is very low and, in some cases, actually declining.
On 24 October 1964, the country became independent of the United Kingdom and then-prime minister Kenneth Kaunda became the inaugural president. Kaunda's socialist United National Independence Party (UNIP) maintained power from the 1964 until 1991. From 1972 to 1991 Zambia was a single-party state with the UNIP as the sole-legal political party, with the goal of uniting the nation under the banner of 'One Zambia, One Nation'. Kaunda was succeeded by Frederick Chiluba of the social-democratic Movement for Multi-Party Democracy in 1991, during which the country saw a rise in social-economic growth and increased decentralisation of government. Chiluba selected Levy Mwanawasa as his successor; Mwanawasa presided over the country from January 2002 until his death in August 2008, and is credited with initiating a campaign to reduce corruption and increase the standard of living. After Mwanawasa's death, Rupiah Banda presided as Acting President before being elected president in 2008. He is the shortest serving president, having held office for only three years. Patriotic Front party leader, Michael Chilufya Sata defeated Banda in the 2011 elections.
In 2010, the World Bank named Zambia one of the world's fastest economically reformed countries. The Common Market for Eastern and Southern Africa (COMESA) is headquartered in Lusaka.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Dr. Guy Scott (born 1 June 1944) is a Zambian politician. He has been Vice President of Zambia since September 2011.
Scott was born in 1944 in Livingstone. His father, Alec Scott, moved there in 1927, while his mother, Grace, emigrated in 1940.
Scott completed his education in Southern Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) and the United Kingdom at Cambridge University and the University of Sussex, where he obtained a degree in economics and a PhD in cognitive science respectively. His participation in Zambian politics was inspired by his late father who was an ally of Zambian nationalists and a founder of anti-colonial government newspapers. During the 1950s, his father was a member of the federal parliament for Lusaka, standing on an independent ticket.
Zambian vice-president: ‘South Africans are backward’
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Guy Scott wastes little time on diplomatic language as he lets loose on Africa’s biggest economy, race, Mugabe and gay rights, according to the Guardian of UK.
One of the most colourful men in African politics happens to be white. Guy Scott is the vice-president of Zambia but his race is probably the least exceptional thing about him.
On a recent afternoon in the capital, Lusaka, Scott held court with the kind of candour – and eccentricity – seldom heard from today’s media-honed political class. He dismissed South Africans as “backward”, insisted that Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe wants to quit, and discussed Zambia by way of references to Marlon Brando and the Klingon empire.
The 68-year-old grandfather was just back from Margaret Thatcher’s funeral in London when he took the Guardian on an impromptu tour of an emerald auction at the InterContinental Lusaka hotel. Discussing similar auctions in India with a deferential salesman, Scott said: “Jaipur is a terrible dump. It produces nothing but zinc.”
As officials fluttered around him, Scott, wearing a dark suit, blue striped shirt and blue and red tie, was informed that the Hollywood actor Mila Kunis recently visited a local mine as an “ambassador” for Zambian emeralds. “How come I didn’t see her?” he pondered morosely.
The son of English and Scottish immigrants – his father Alexander was also an MP here – Scott then gave an interview that wasted little time on diplomatic language. Discussing neighbouring Zimbabwe, where Mugabe has ruled for 33 years, he disclosed: “I think if you asked him he’d say it was enough. That’s what he said to us a few months ago. I said the way forward in African democracy is the way we do it in Zambia. He said, ‘I absolutely agree, I wish it would happen to me.’”
As in lose an election? “Yes, and a smooth handover. I think he meant it, or he was toying with the idea of meaning it. He wanted to hear how it sounded, maybe. Or something.”
Scott went on to describe 89-year-old Mugabe’s persona. “He’s a funny chap. He seems to doze off and then he suddenly laughs at a joke while in the middle of dozing. And very articulate, without a note, without a scrap of anything.
“He’s an anglophone. He loves to give lectures on the English language, English weighing systems, English this or that. He was a teacher and so he taught himself all that.”
Zambian president Michael Sata – whom Scott refers to as “the boss” – is known to be on friendly terms with Mugabe, who used to work as a teacher in Zambia. “I’m sure any good African nationalist admires Mugabe,” the vice-president added. “Racism in Zimbabwe is a serious issue. I was sent to school down there and it was like being in the Hitler Youth: the theories about black inferiority and this kind of stuff.
“It was a whites-only school; they tried to introduce an Indian and he was hounded out at the instigation of the parents of the boys. I think Mugabe is a product of having to contend with that.”
But Scott has far less time for South Africa, the continent’s biggest economy. “The South Africans are very backward in terms of historical development,” he said. “I hate South Africans. That’s not a fair thing to say because I like a lot of South Africans but they really think they’re the bees’ knees and actually they’ve been the cause of so much trouble in this part of the world.
“I have a suspicion the blacks model themselves on the whites now that they’re in power. ‘Don’t you know who we are, man?’”
Scott scoffed at the inclusion of South Africa in the Brics grouping of emerging economies. “They think in Brics that the ‘s’ actually stands for South Africa whereas it stands for Africa. Nobody would want to go in for a partnership with Brazil, China, India and South Africa for Christ’s sake.
“I dislike South Africa for the same reason that Latin Americans dislike the United States, I think. It’s just too big and too unsubtle.”
Warming to his theme, Scott let rip at South African President Jacob Zuma, comparing him with the last apartheid leader, FW de Klerk. “He’s very like De Klerk. He tells us, ‘You just leave Zimbabwe to me.’ Excuse me, who the hell liberated you anyway, was it not us? I mean, I quite like him, he seems a rather genial character but I pity him his advisers.”
Fewer than 40,000 of Zambia’s 13 million-strong population are white. Scott, a wildly popular MP for Lusaka, notes that the country has more than 80 tribes and several major language groups. “That doesn’t add up to a bipolar formula for the scrap” along racial lines.
He became vice-president in 2011 but his presence baffles some African leaders at high-level meetings. “I think they regard me as a sort of mascot, a good luck charm for African politics. Michael’s very clever, he knows people tend to regard him as a racist because he talks rough.
“He’s usually tried it out on me already. He says things like, ‘What would you be if you weren’t white?’ I said, ‘The president?’ That shut him up.”
But opposition parties have accused the Sata-Scott leadership of orchestrating violence, banning rallies, throwing dissenters in jail and dragging Zambia towards authoritarianism. Scott sarcastically predicted that opponents would complain to the Commonwealth, then the UN and, if still unsuccessful, the Klingon empire.
“It’s a wheeze, it’s an attempt I suppose based on some of the stuff that took place in Russia to denounce a government rather than eject it,” he said. “But I really am very hard-pressed to find a corner I can sit in and believe that we’re looking at a one-party state again.”
He added: “It doesn’t help that people don’t know where Zambia is and they don’t know what Zambia is like. If you were to write a story about America getting out of hand and going to a one-party state, everybody knows so much about the United States that they won’t believe you.
“If you say, ‘Somewhere over there in the African hinterland, not far from where Marlon Brando had a house surrounded by stakes with heads of his enemies on, not far from the Congo, there’s a place where there’s a one-party state …’ Well, there probably is, probably several. And so it’s a lot easier for that because there’s no built-in balance.”
One recent incident in which Zambia’s civil liberties credentials took a battering, however, was the arrest of a human rights activist who had appeared on live TV calling for homosexuality to be decriminalised.
Scott admitted: “The problem with this guy going on television was that we had to do something because if we had done absolutely nothing we would have got a bollocking from all these evangelical churches plus damn idiots. On the other hand, we didn’t want to give him a particularly hard ride.”
As newspapers and TV shows whipped up homophobia, Scott set out priorities that offer little consolation to anyone who is gay. “I think you’ve got so much cleaning up to do of killings and defilements and this and that, it’s almost self-indulgent to think, ‘Well, why don’t we sit here and talk about gay rights?’
“It’s indulgent politics that assumes yes, we don’t actually have 7 million unemployed people. Realistically, I think even an average gay, if you gave him a list of all the concerns Zambia had, would not necessarily put gay rights on top.”
He went on: “There’s tonnes of gay joints in this town. Well, not tonnes but they’re there, well known. It’s entirely the same phenonemon you get anywhere else. It’s live and let live. Stirring up and making it worse, that is the biggest danger. Let sleeping dogs lie is an easier policy.”
If Sata were to die in office, Scott would make history as the first democratic white leader in Africa, albeit as a three-month caretaker until an election was held. Seeking the presidency full-time would be “a bridge too far” for qualifying rules because his parents were born outside the country.
Scott, whose wife is from Greenwich, south-east London, has health worries of his own, including a right hand that trembles slightly. “It’s possibly Parkinson’s, I haven’t had it diagnosed yet.” He is also concerned about possible cancer under one eye. “In my age group, there is on average six things wrong with you at any one time.”
Scott departed, stepping into a lift and flanked by security guards, making a quip about how many emeralds he could conceal in his hand. ___________________________________
Zambian opposition leader Hakaimbe Hichilema's lashed out at Scott; calling him 'the stupidest white man' he's met.
LOL!
Lionese, this is actually a great read.
I love Scott, I wish there were more pale skin Muurs like him. He knows himself, he knows he is Muur even if his skin is pale. Because we are one big happy family, when we trace via bloodline rather than by skin shades.
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Dr. Guy Scott (born 1 June 1944) is a Zambian politician. He has been Vice President of Zambia since September 2011.
Scott was born in 1944 in Livingstone. His father, Alec Scott, moved there in 1927, while his mother, Grace, emigrated in 1940.
Scott completed his education in Southern Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) and the United Kingdom at Cambridge University and the University of Sussex, where he obtained a degree in economics and a PhD in cognitive science respectively. His participation in Zambian politics was inspired by his late father who was an ally of Zambian nationalists and a founder of anti-colonial government newspapers. During the 1950s, his father was a member of the federal parliament for Lusaka, standing on an independent ticket.
Zambian vice-president: ‘South Africans are backward’
.
Guy Scott wastes little time on diplomatic language as he lets loose on Africa’s biggest economy, race, Mugabe and gay rights, according to the Guardian of UK.
One of the most colourful men in African politics happens to be white. Guy Scott is the vice-president of Zambia but his race is probably the least exceptional thing about him.
On a recent afternoon in the capital, Lusaka, Scott held court with the kind of candour – and eccentricity – seldom heard from today’s media-honed political class. He dismissed South Africans as “backward”, insisted that Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe wants to quit, and discussed Zambia by way of references to Marlon Brando and the Klingon empire.
The 68-year-old grandfather was just back from Margaret Thatcher’s funeral in London when he took the Guardian on an impromptu tour of an emerald auction at the InterContinental Lusaka hotel. Discussing similar auctions in India with a deferential salesman, Scott said: “Jaipur is a terrible dump. It produces nothing but zinc.”
As officials fluttered around him, Scott, wearing a dark suit, blue striped shirt and blue and red tie, was informed that the Hollywood actor Mila Kunis recently visited a local mine as an “ambassador” for Zambian emeralds. “How come I didn’t see her?” he pondered morosely.
The son of English and Scottish immigrants – his father Alexander was also an MP here – Scott then gave an interview that wasted little time on diplomatic language. Discussing neighbouring Zimbabwe, where Mugabe has ruled for 33 years, he disclosed: “I think if you asked him he’d say it was enough. That’s what he said to us a few months ago. I said the way forward in African democracy is the way we do it in Zambia. He said, ‘I absolutely agree, I wish it would happen to me.’”
As in lose an election? “Yes, and a smooth handover. I think he meant it, or he was toying with the idea of meaning it. He wanted to hear how it sounded, maybe. Or something.”
Scott went on to describe 89-year-old Mugabe’s persona. “He’s a funny chap. He seems to doze off and then he suddenly laughs at a joke while in the middle of dozing. And very articulate, without a note, without a scrap of anything.
“He’s an anglophone. He loves to give lectures on the English language, English weighing systems, English this or that. He was a teacher and so he taught himself all that.”
Zambian president Michael Sata – whom Scott refers to as “the boss” – is known to be on friendly terms with Mugabe, who used to work as a teacher in Zambia. “I’m sure any good African nationalist admires Mugabe,” the vice-president added. “Racism in Zimbabwe is a serious issue. I was sent to school down there and it was like being in the Hitler Youth: the theories about black inferiority and this kind of stuff.
“It was a whites-only school; they tried to introduce an Indian and he was hounded out at the instigation of the parents of the boys. I think Mugabe is a product of having to contend with that.”
But Scott has far less time for South Africa, the continent’s biggest economy. “The South Africans are very backward in terms of historical development,” he said. “I hate South Africans. That’s not a fair thing to say because I like a lot of South Africans but they really think they’re the bees’ knees and actually they’ve been the cause of so much trouble in this part of the world.
“I have a suspicion the blacks model themselves on the whites now that they’re in power. ‘Don’t you know who we are, man?’”
Scott scoffed at the inclusion of South Africa in the Brics grouping of emerging economies. “They think in Brics that the ‘s’ actually stands for South Africa whereas it stands for Africa. Nobody would want to go in for a partnership with Brazil, China, India and South Africa for Christ’s sake.
“I dislike South Africa for the same reason that Latin Americans dislike the United States, I think. It’s just too big and too unsubtle.”
Warming to his theme, Scott let rip at South African President Jacob Zuma, comparing him with the last apartheid leader, FW de Klerk. “He’s very like De Klerk. He tells us, ‘You just leave Zimbabwe to me.’ Excuse me, who the hell liberated you anyway, was it not us? I mean, I quite like him, he seems a rather genial character but I pity him his advisers.”
Fewer than 40,000 of Zambia’s 13 million-strong population are white. Scott, a wildly popular MP for Lusaka, notes that the country has more than 80 tribes and several major language groups. “That doesn’t add up to a bipolar formula for the scrap” along racial lines.
He became vice-president in 2011 but his presence baffles some African leaders at high-level meetings. “I think they regard me as a sort of mascot, a good luck charm for African politics. Michael’s very clever, he knows people tend to regard him as a racist because he talks rough.
“He’s usually tried it out on me already. He says things like, ‘What would you be if you weren’t white?’ I said, ‘The president?’ That shut him up.”
But opposition parties have accused the Sata-Scott leadership of orchestrating violence, banning rallies, throwing dissenters in jail and dragging Zambia towards authoritarianism. Scott sarcastically predicted that opponents would complain to the Commonwealth, then the UN and, if still unsuccessful, the Klingon empire.
“It’s a wheeze, it’s an attempt I suppose based on some of the stuff that took place in Russia to denounce a government rather than eject it,” he said. “But I really am very hard-pressed to find a corner I can sit in and believe that we’re looking at a one-party state again.”
He added: “It doesn’t help that people don’t know where Zambia is and they don’t know what Zambia is like. If you were to write a story about America getting out of hand and going to a one-party state, everybody knows so much about the United States that they won’t believe you.
“If you say, ‘Somewhere over there in the African hinterland, not far from where Marlon Brando had a house surrounded by stakes with heads of his enemies on, not far from the Congo, there’s a place where there’s a one-party state …’ Well, there probably is, probably several. And so it’s a lot easier for that because there’s no built-in balance.”
One recent incident in which Zambia’s civil liberties credentials took a battering, however, was the arrest of a human rights activist who had appeared on live TV calling for homosexuality to be decriminalised.
Scott admitted: “The problem with this guy going on television was that we had to do something because if we had done absolutely nothing we would have got a bollocking from all these evangelical churches plus damn idiots. On the other hand, we didn’t want to give him a particularly hard ride.”
As newspapers and TV shows whipped up homophobia, Scott set out priorities that offer little consolation to anyone who is gay. “I think you’ve got so much cleaning up to do of killings and defilements and this and that, it’s almost self-indulgent to think, ‘Well, why don’t we sit here and talk about gay rights?’
“It’s indulgent politics that assumes yes, we don’t actually have 7 million unemployed people. Realistically, I think even an average gay, if you gave him a list of all the concerns Zambia had, would not necessarily put gay rights on top.”
He went on: “There’s tonnes of gay joints in this town. Well, not tonnes but they’re there, well known. It’s entirely the same phenonemon you get anywhere else. It’s live and let live. Stirring up and making it worse, that is the biggest danger. Let sleeping dogs lie is an easier policy.”
If Sata were to die in office, Scott would make history as the first democratic white leader in Africa, albeit as a three-month caretaker until an election was held. Seeking the presidency full-time would be “a bridge too far” for qualifying rules because his parents were born outside the country.
Scott, whose wife is from Greenwich, south-east London, has health worries of his own, including a right hand that trembles slightly. “It’s possibly Parkinson’s, I haven’t had it diagnosed yet.” He is also concerned about possible cancer under one eye. “In my age group, there is on average six things wrong with you at any one time.”
Scott departed, stepping into a lift and flanked by security guards, making a quip about how many emeralds he could conceal in his hand. ___________________________________
Zambian opposition leader Hakaimbe Hichilema's lashed out at Scott; calling him 'the stupidest white man' he's met.
LOL!
Lionese, this is actually a great read.
I love Scott, I wish there were more pale skin Muurs like him. He knows himself, he knows he is Muur even if his skin is pale. Because we are one big happy family, when we trace via bloodline rather than by skin shades.
Muurz!
Why are you so happy about this when most blacks in Zambia are simply backwards, landless, powerless and in poverty? What the hell is it with black folks not being able to love their own inner (SUN), SON or WISDOM versus only acknowledging the SON, SON or WISDOM of those OUTSIDE of themselves?
And most of these clowns don't even know what cognitive science is:
quote: Cognitive science is the interdisciplinary scientific study of the mind and its processes. It examines what cognition is, what it does and how it works. It includes research on intelligence and behavior, especially focusing on how information is represented, processed, and transformed (in faculties such as perception, language, memory, reasoning, and emotion) within nervous systems (human or other animal) and machines (e.g. computers). Cognitive science consists of multiple research disciplines, including psychology, artificial intelligence, philosophy, neuroscience, linguistics, and anthropology.[1] It spans many levels of analysis, from low-level learning and decision mechanisms to high-level logic and planning; from neural circuitry to modular brain organization. The fundamental concept of cognitive science is "that thinking can best be understood in terms of representational structures in the mind and computational procedures that operate on those structures.
Note that cognitive science is the underlying basis of all ancient metaphysical traditions that ultimately originated in Africa. So how ironic is it that the Africans are deaf dumb and blind to their own history, culture and anthropology while their so-called "BROTHAS" the white folks are all into this history and knowledge and using it to keep black folks dumb and backwards.....
Funny ain't it?
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Reflecting all of what I just said, which is all ultimately African, note how this idea of Charisma is ultimately tied to the BRAIN:
And this is from someone who is of a mixed background and married to a white woman. Not that these things are important, but it goes to show you how much knowledge about YOUR BRAIN these people have and how they USE IT AGAINST YOU.....
It is all about cognition and being aware of patterns and what the hell is going on around you and the picture you form of yourself and your PLACE in the universe around you..... All of that came from Africa and is melanin, the third eye, black dot, Ptah, sobek and so forth and so on....
Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
Im surprise Zambia have a white vice president.Usualy people put their race in the top level of governement.In Europe, Latin America, North Africa, West Asia, India, China, Australia the top level of governement are occupied by people of the same race then the majority of the people in the country.
I think probably Zambian President Michael Sata chosed white vice President Guy Scott because he was the best qualified and have a great character.thats not the first time that happened in the history of Africa.Black Pharaoh Amenhotep III had a semite Vizier/Prime minister name Yuya with long face, hook nose and soft hair.Yuya was one of the richest person in Egypt.Some say part of the story of biblical Joseph was base on him.The mummies of Yuya and his wife Tuya look very Semitic near white and was different from the regular Egyptian.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] ..Why are you so happy about this when most blacks in Zambia are simply backwards, landless, powerless and in poverty? What the hell is it with black folks not being able to love their own inner...blah blah...blah
Here comes the Misrable Doug the Misrelite and prophet of doooom!
Listen up and learn from the Prophets:
"No matter the pressures, pressures they put us through, we will never be blue, cause we'll be forever" - Bob Marley
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Reflecting all of what I just said, which is all ultimately African, note how this idea of Charisma is ultimately tied to the BRAIN:
And this is from someone who is of a mixed background and married to a white woman. Not that these things are important, but it goes to show you how much knowledge about YOUR BRAIN these people have and how they USE IT AGAINST YOU.....
It is all about cognition and being aware of patterns and what the hell is going on around you and the picture you form of yourself and your PLACE in the universe around you..... All of that came from Africa and is melanin, the third eye, black dot, Ptah, sobek and so forth and so on....
This Doug character is confused. First he is promoting this very Western term " Cognitive science" . Then he's got this guy who says "", "shut off your brain,"" use your balls", "trust the holy ghost"
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote:Originally posted by mena7: Im surprise Zambia have a white vice president.Usualy people put their race in the top level of governement.In Europe, Latin America, North Africa, West Asia, India, China, Australia the top level of governement are occupied by people of the same race then the majority of the people in the country.
I think probably Zambian President Michael Sata chosed white vice President Guy Scott because he was the best qualified and have a great character.thats not the first time that happened in the history of Africa.Black Pharaoh Amenhotep III had a semite Vizier/Prime minister name Yuya with long face, hook nose and soft hair.Yuya was one of the richest person in Egypt.Some say part of the story of biblical Joseph was base on him.The mummies of Yuya and his wife Tuya look very Semitic near white and was different from the regular Egyptian.
We have talked about Yuya many times and no his mummy does not "PROVE" he was white as there are many Africans in the Nile Valley with similar features.
But the point here is that Guy Scott represents the upper class power structure of white folks that STILL controls the economic system and political system of Africa to this day. They only stepped back and allowed black politicians to take center stage in order to make everybody believe that something actually changed. But it hasn't. And the idea behind this is that they use the black politicians as punching bags and whipping boys for all the social and economic policies that WHITE people put into place that keep black people down in Africa. So the Jacob Zumas and other flunkies get all the blame for the hardships, while the whites are shielded from view. Then, these same people wait until black folks are fed up with their puppets and then put themselves out there as saviors, when in reality THEY are the ones who have been running things all along. He is basically a white settler landowner who is responsible for kicking the blacks off their lands and creating huge mega plantations to grow food and other crops for export. Period. He has more wealth and power than the President can imagine and is simply playing a con game on gullible Africans. Keep in mind that Zambia was once called Upper Rhodesia and all the whites there are simply an extension of the same Anglo Dutch settler force that controls the land and wealth throughout Southern Africa. Zambia just like most African nations is simply one big settler plantation with the Africans treated as squatters due to the colonial policy of evicting Africans off the land to make way for plantations, hunting resorts and mines.
quote:Originally posted by mena7: Im surprise Zambia have a white vice president.Usualy people put their race in the top level of governement.In Europe, Latin America, North Africa, West Asia, India, China, Australia the top level of governement are occupied by people of the same race then the majority of the people in the country.
I think probably Zambian President Michael Sata chosed white vice President Guy Scott because he was the best qualified and have a great character.thats not the first time that happened in the history of Africa.Black Pharaoh Amenhotep III had a semite Vizier/Prime minister name Yuya with long face, hook nose and soft hair.Yuya was one of the richest person in Egypt.Some say part of the story of biblical Joseph was base on him.The mummies of Yuya and his wife Tuya look very Semitic near white and was different from the regular Egyptian.
We have talked about Yuya many times and no his mummy does not "PROVE" he was white as there are many Africans in the Nile Valley with similar features.
But the point here is that Guy Scott represents the upper class power structure of white folks that STILL controls the economic system and political system of Africa to this day. They only stepped back and allowed black politicians to take center stage in order to make everybody believe that something actually changed. But it hasn't. And the idea behind this is that they use the black politicians as punching bags and whipping boys for all the social and economic policies that WHITE people put into place that keep black people down in Africa. So the Jacob Zumas and other flunkies get all the blame for the hardships, while the whites are shielded from view. Then, these same people wait until black folks are fed up with their puppets and then put themselves out there as saviors, when in reality THEY are the ones who have been running things all along. He is basically a white settler landowner who is responsible for kicking the blacks off their lands and creating huge mega plantations to grow food and other crops for export. Period. He has more wealth and power than the President can imagine and is simply playing a con game on gullible Africans. Keep in mind that Zambia was once called Upper Rhodesia and all the whites there are simply an extension of the same Anglo Dutch settler force that controls the land and wealth throughout Southern Africa. Zambia just like most African nations is simply one big settler plantation with the Africans treated as squatters due to the colonial policy of evicting Africans off the land to make way for plantations, hunting resorts and mines.
As a matter of fact, I am so crazy I would think this is an all-white, mostly white school smack dab in the heart of Africa with white kids living large....
quote: So-called "basic schools" teach years one to nine, as year nine is considered to be a decent level of schooling for the majority of children. However, schooling is only free up to year seven and most children drop out then.
Both government and private schools exist in Zambia. Education is difficult for the government of Zambia to provide because of the very small tax base of the economy. Without money to buy equipment schools must operate with meager resources.The private school system began largely as a result of Christian mission efforts during the late 19th and early 20th centuries.Students are not receiving the help that is require because of the economic system being trumped by the government and since the taxes in Zambia are increasing higher, it is a 74% chance of all boys and girls not attending to Middle School or High School. One of the most famous private schools is the Roman Catholic-run St Mary's Seminary in Eastern Province. The majority of the Zambia population are very poorly and cannot afford the education for their children. Private schools operate under either the British or American way of schooling.
But the point here is that Guy Scott represents the upper class power structure of white folks that STILL controls the economic system and political system of Africa to this day. They only stepped back and allowed black politicians to take center stage in order to make everybody believe that something actually changed. But it hasn't. And the idea behind this is that they use the black politicians as punching bags and whipping boys for all the social and economic policies that WHITE people put into place that keep black people down in Africa. So the Jacob Zumas and other flunkies get all the blame for the hardships, while the whites are shielded from view. Then, these same people wait until black folks are fed up with their puppets and then put themselves out there as saviors, when in reality THEY are the ones who have been running things all along. He is basically a white settler landowner who is responsible for kicking the blacks off their lands and creating huge mega plantations to grow food and other crops for export. Period. He has more wealth and power than the President can imagine and is simply playing a con game on gullible Africans. Keep in mind that Zambia was once called Upper Rhodesia and all the whites there are simply an extension of the same Anglo Dutch settler force that controls the land and wealth throughout Southern Africa. Zambia just like most African nations is simply one big settler plantation with the Africans treated as squatters due to the colonial policy of evicting Africans off the land to make way for plantations, hunting resorts and mines.
Doug might be right. I don't know enough about Zambia to judge
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: blah...blah..blah...
You care more about the few whites who are poor in Africa and knew full well what they were getting into when they went there than you do for your own people who are in poverty and suffering because these people robbed them?
Seriously?
So because a few white folks are broke that makes everything even now?
Come on man you are looney tunes and a perfect example of the dumb behind attitude that keeps black folks backwards....
Yeah poor suffering white folks:
Don't feel bad for the slaves, I mean the natives, they are happy as can be:
Oh but wait the slaves, I mean, servants, sorry I mean native blacks are doing great!
quote: Deputy minister in the Office of the Vice President Harry Kalaba has urged people not to panic on the anticipated hunger situation in the country this year.
Kalaba said government will soon conduct an assessment of the possible hunger situation and find ways of addressing any problems. He said government will ensure that no one dies from hunger.
Ever since the PF government came into power, they have grossly mismanaged the agriculture sector that has resulted in shortage of mealie meal, late delivery of the agriculture inputs among others.
Despite inheriting a bumper harvest from the MMD government, the PF has failed to harness the sector and has instead inflicted stressful conditions in people's living standards.
MMD vice-president for administration Brian Chituwo has since advised government to conduct a comprehensive crop survey in order to plan for the year.
Dr Chituwo said the food situation is a source of worry under the PF government and that many people that depend on farming will be affected by hunger this year.
Meanwhile the poor suffering whites and Indians are trying to build luxury hospitals for themselves....
quote: Rajan Mahtani, the controversial multi-millionaire financier of the ruling Patriotic Front party, is being sued by a South African lending institution over a failed project to build a luxury medical care center near the Kenneth Kaunda International Airport in Lusaka.
According to an investigative article published today in the Mail & Guardian, Mahtani had been approached in 2008 by the British businessman Steven Singleton to be his local partner to bring a “South African-style” elite hospital to Lusaka.
The need for such a facility was evident: Zambians have spent millions on medical care in South Africa and India in recent years. A top notch care unit could become a referral hub for many visiting patients from the central Africa region. And Zambia’s very basic facilities often require multinationals to locate the families of their executives in South Africa.
Singleton’s business plan may have been sound, but evidently he ended up picking the wrong partner in Mahtani.
According to the Mail & Guardian, in order to secure financing for the 160-bed hospital, which would feature an intensive care unit and five operating theatres, Singleton and Mahtani formed the Lusaka Premier Health Clinic (LPHC) Ltd, and began making deals with consultants and construction contractors.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Poor whites of Zimbabwe
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Doug you are obviously annoyed by the picture of your people in poverty.
Yet you call Black people slaves but your people are heading into a 1000 years of slavery each day.
Listening to you one would think Muurs are all destitute in Africa whereas your albino fathers are living it off.
That is a waaay off exaggeration. The elites class who control the world live it off from China to India. The poor are poor all over the world.
It is more than skin colour.
In Africa I have seen so-called whites begging on the streets.
In North America I have seen white people picking the trash from my garbage can. I can take pictures of them and post for you too.
Ofcourse there are Black riche in South Africa, Zambia, and all over Africa.
Michael Sata is the boss in Zambia. Here you start pissing your pants about the Deputy PM of Zambia, yet the overall boss is a Black Socialist.
What the heck are you rambling with your evil chants about poor black people? Cry for your white cagot trash brethrens ok? WE the Black people of this world are moving on into the great future.
Your types are closet Nazis who will go down to their 1000 years of slavery.
Muur riche Black folks of South Africa:
South African Black Shoe designers making millions of dollars in the fashion Industry. The powerful millionaire couple Phindi and Tshepo Kgaudi
Richard Maponya, millionaire businessman
Lebo Gunzala 27 year old multi-millionaire South Africa
Patrick Mosepe billionaire, South Africa
And Muur and Muur......
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
I'm not going to argue on Black vs. White in Zambia pictures don't resolve the matter. There needs to be some data. Yes there has been a history of gross exploitation and some remainng descemdants of it. Kick all the white people out of Africa? maybe.
Anyway from an African American perspective anybody doing farm work as pickers looks like slavery but that is very relative. However if we look to precolonial Africa and early America most people were doing farm work all day. So if you show a woman picking tobacco if whites never had colonized parts of Africa that woman may have been picking some other crop to supprt her family and village. This is what most people did in pre-modern no electricty and gas agarian societies. People only started leaving the fields when factories and modern agricultural technology came in. Had Africa never been touched by Europeans it's impossible to say how it would look today. A woman picking tobacco is not necessary "slavery". These terms should not be thrown around casually. What is her standard of living picking tobacco versus if she was farming a mixture of crops for just a small part of a village? I don't know. Tractors run on petroleum and are made in industrial factories.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M
Why are you so happy about this when most blacks in Zambia are simply backwards, landless, powerless and in poverty? What the hell is it with black folks not being able to love their own inner (SUN), SON or WISDOM versus only acknowledging the SON, SON or WISDOM of those OUTSIDE of themselves?
And most of these clowns don't even know what cognitive science is
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Poor whites of Zimbabwe
Doug you are obviously annoyed by the picture of your people in poverty.
Yet you call Black people slaves but your people are heading into a 1000 years of slavery each day.
Listening to you one would think Muurs are all destitute in Africa whereas your albino fathers are living it off.
That is a waaay off exaggeration. The elites class who control the world live it off from China to India. The poor are poor all over the world.
It is more than skin colour.
In Africa I have seen so-called whites begging on the streets.
In North America I have seen white people picking the trash from my garbage can. I can take pictures of them and post for you too.
Ofcourse there are Black riche in South Africa, Zambia, and all over Africa.
Michael Sata is the boss in Zambia. Here you start pissing your pants about the Deputy PM of Zambia, yet the overall boss is a Black Socialist.
What the heck are you rambling with your evil chants about poor black people? Cry for your white cagot trash brethrens ok? WE the Black people of this world are moving on into the great future.
Your types are closet Nazis who will go down to their 1000 years of slavery.
Muur riche Black folks of South Africa:
South African Black Shoe designers making millions of dollars in the fashion Industry. The powerful millionaire couple Phindi and Tshepo Kgaudi
Richard Maponya, millionaire businessman
Lebo Gunzala 27 year old multi-millionaire South Africa
Patrick Mosepe billionaire, South Africa
And Muur and Muur......
The fact is that most Africans in Africa today live in poverty, even in Egypt. Just like most black folks in the WORLD live in poverty and most of that poverty is directly related to racism and white supremacy. A few token rich black people doesn't change the fact that most blacks are still in poverty and still enslaved (working for next to nothing on white owned farms or even corporate slaves).
Simply put you live in denial by trying to pretend that white folks are your brethren and one of you and their suffering is the same as your suffering and that we are all on the same level.
Point blank that is nonsense and I can get any amount of facts and evidence to back it up.
So I guess we should just ignore the article below because Chinese and whites are Muurs and our brethren now huh?
quote: (Johannesburg) – Workers in the copper mining sector in Zambia remain vulnerable to abuse. New Human Rights Watch research found that the government of President Michael Sata, who promised to prioritize labor rights when he took office in September 2011, has made some improvements in supporting the oversight of the mines, but there remains inadequate enforcement of national labor laws designed to protect workers’ rights.
Human Rights Watch published a report in November 2011 documenting labor rights abuses at four Zambian subsidiaries of China Non-Ferrous Metal Mining Corporation (CNMC), a state-owned enterprise under the authority of China’s highest executive body, the State Council. In follow-up research in October 2012, Human Rights Watch found that CNMC’s subsidiaries made some notable improvements on reducing work hours and respecting freedom of association, but that miners continued to face poor health and safety conditions and threats by managers if they tried to assert their rights. The Zambian government has not adequately intervened to address these problems, Human Rights Watch found.
“President Sata ran on a populist campaign to protect workers, so the lack of meaningful progress in the mining sector is disappointing,” said Daniel Bekele, Africa director at Human Rights Watch. “Although CNMC’s subsidiaries have addressed some of the labor rights abuses documented by Human Rights Watch in 2011, the miners still face significant health and safety risks.”
In October, Human Rights Watch interviewed 31 miners from the four CNMC-run copper-mining operations: Non-Ferrous China Africa (NFCA), an underground mine; Chambishi Copper Smelter (CCS), a copper smelting plant; Sino Metals, a copper processing plant; and China Luanshya Mine, an underground and surface pit mine. Human Rights Watch also spoke with national union representatives, government officials, diplomats, and officials from international organizations working on labor issues in Zambia.
Now mining is a energy intensive and infrastructure intensive operation. You need LOTS of electricity to process the ore. You need LOTS of diesel to operate the machinery and the tractors. You need roads and railroads. And LOTS of these things were built by the whites over the last 100 or more years in Africa. Yet and still African PEOPLE live in horrible conditions with little or no infrastructure while you say they are heading into the future but don't own or control their own land or resources. The only future you see is working for whites and being with whites. Never do anything or own anything for yourself, especially things that are RIGHTFULLY YOURS but stolen from you by someone else.
quote: The Open Pits at Nchanga Mine are situated in a crescent shaped structure 11 km long around the municipal town of Chingola in Zambia. Covering nearly 30 km˛ it is the second largest open cast mine in the world.[1] The deepest part of the pit is 400 m lower than the surrounding plateau.
Open Pit mining at Nchanga started in 1955, in the main Nchanga Open Pit. Subsequently, nine medium sized open pits, called satellite pits, have also been mined at one time or the other.
At present, mining is concentrated on the main Nchanga pit, with satellite planned for future extensions, as economics and processing technological developments unfold. Together they are termed generically as the Nchanga Open Pits.
Yet how much of that copper is used to build infrastructure for Africans? Let alone how much of that money goes to Africans?
Sure, we are all brothers and sisters of the earth and we all came from Africa, but that doesn't change history now does it?
You have to love yourself before you love anyone else. Loving everyone else and not yourself is not love it is self hate. No "God" ever said love those who do evil and walk all over you and destroy YOU "Gods" creation. No religion on earth except the nonsense that Africans have been given. You can love these other people all you want but they will not return it. They didn't love you when they got to Africa 500 years ago and they don't love you now, not in any REAL sense. If Africans in the world spent as much time and effort building for themselves, standing up for their rights and what is rightfully theirs as they do trying to show how they can be fake whites and love everyone else but themselves, they would be a WHOLE LOT better off today and get a lot more respect.
IronLion your whole script was given to you by white people. Africans were making shoes many thousands of years ago. So these cannot be the "first" African shoe designers. Africans making money is not the cause of the whites being in poverty. They shouldn't be there in the first place. So why should I feel sympathy? Do Africans get treated fairly in Europe? Do Africans get treated fairly in Asia? But these thieves go to Africa with the explicit intention to steal from Africans and you have sympathy for them.....
I have no problem saying point blank that my first primary concern is for those who have been dispossessed and robbed by hundreds of years of white supremacy, racism and economic exploitation in Africa, which are the Africans. THOSE are the only victims I care about and THEY come before everyone else in the sense of JUSTICE and what is right. Caring about European settlers and their Asian lackeys that they brought in to keep Africans down and not the African people who suffered the most is just stupid nonsense. Africans didn't invite those people there, white European corporations and governments did and therefore let them go to them and get the money to go back to Europe or Asia. Their suffering is not the responsibility of Africans, especially when Africans are running around trying to show how much they LOVE these people and care so much about their suffering, while not CARING about the suffering of their OWN PEOPLE. NO OTHER people on earth think like that except bonehead black people and that is why EVERYONE ELSE is better off than Africans.
In this day and time it is about being conscious about the facts of history and the present in order to make the right decisions on future course. Living in denial only promotes ignorance which holds you back from any kind of future.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Poor whites of Zimbabwe
Doug you are obviously annoyed by the picture of your people in poverty.
Yet you call Black people slaves but your people are heading into a 1000 years of slavery each day.
Listening to you one would think Muurs are all destitute in Africa whereas your albino fathers are living it off.
That is a waaay off exaggeration. The elites class who control the world live it off from China to India. The poor are poor all over the world.
It is more than skin colour.
In Africa I have seen so-called whites begging on the streets.
In North America I have seen white people picking the trash from my garbage can. I can take pictures of them and post for you too.
Ofcourse there are Black riche in South Africa, Zambia, and all over Africa.
Michael Sata is the boss in Zambia. Here you start pissing your pants about the Deputy PM of Zambia, yet the overall boss is a Black Socialist.
What the heck are you rambling with your evil chants about poor black people? Cry for your white cagot trash brethrens ok? WE the Black people of this world are moving on into the great future.
Your types are closet Nazis who will go down to their 1000 years of slavery.
Muur riche Black folks of South Africa:
South African Black Shoe designers making millions of dollars in the fashion Industry. The powerful millionaire couple Phindi and Tshepo Kgaudi
Richard Maponya, millionaire businessman
Lebo Gunzala 27 year old multi-millionaire South Africa
Patrick Mosepe billionaire, South Africa
And Muur and Muur......
The fact is that most Africans in Africa today live in poverty, even in Egypt. Just like most black folks in the WORLD live in poverty and most of that poverty is directly related to racism and white supremacy. .....
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And there is the root of all your ignorance. Your lil albino arse sitting there in England would like to believe that Muurs are all destitutes.
No Cagot, it is your people who are really destitute vagabonds living only on debts and credit cards.
If you ever visited Africa, you would apologise for such slur.
Kendo has tried to educate you about the true situations in Africa. But your little cagotic arse would rather live in fairy land make believe fantasy.
I am from Africa and I have lots of assets in cash and resources.
I have lots and lots of millionaire friends.
I know thousands of well heeled African professionals living it up in the west.
If you are on dole in England, don't blame the blacks for it. Blame yourself and your lazy arse.
Besides material well, we have so much spiritual and psychological satisfaction in Africa you would not even begin to fathom.
I have lived in Africa and I have lived in the west. All conditions are relative.
Guy Scott is an African even if his skin is pale. Not every white man is rich, and not every white man is connected with the ruling class agenda.
You philosophy is weak and uninformed. It sounds confused unfocussed and spiteful.
You are yet to confess what your true problems are.
For us Africans, we are facing our challenges daily as we move boldly into the future. All children of Africa are welcome to come join the struggle. White, Indian, Muurs, all fought together for Africa's liberation.
Did you ever hear of Joe Slovo, a white boy who gave his life for Africans. Did you ever hear of John Brown, a white boy still marching on with the field Niggers.
Doug, don't bother confuse issues with spamming silly "Human Right Watch" articles.
Save up 800 pounds sterling and take a trip to Zambia and enlighten your cagotic arse.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
As a matter of fact, since you love white folks so much, here is a white economist basically saying what I am saying:
And you want to know why the South African economy is not creating jobs? Isn't it obvious? Because it is a settler colonial economy designed only to produce enough "jobs" which are actually slave jobs, to export all the wealth and resources out of Africa. This "economy" is not designed to produce and build up the well being, wealth and infrastructure for Africans. That is why you got all kinds of mines and industry in South Africa to build almost anything but Africans still live in tin shacks. And that is because the economy isn't a real "economy" as in providing for the benefit and well being of "the people" through trade and commerce. It is a vulture or vampire economy designed to provide for the benefit and well being of a few whites and other lackeys at the expense of everyone else.
If they were to start a rebuilding program TODAY with a 50 year plan to rebuild, redevelop and resettle all the Africans out of the shanty towns and informal settlements they live in and build real cities and towns with proper infrastructure, there would be more than enough jobs to go around. Not to mention it would require education and training for doctors, lawyers, engineers and architects to build this new nation. But Africans won't do that because they are in the pockets of the whites who control everything. And the whites are preaching this nonsense that by being wage slaves working for pennies on a dollar on some farm (which is basically slavery) you will somehow move up.... Move up to what? Basically it is a consumerist paradigm where the whites control the jobs, industry and the wealth and blacks just get tokens and trinkets they buy from the company store. Any money they get goes right back to the whites and their corporations so they aren't really losing anything. But this is the sad state that most blacks live in world wide. And this is why it is a white economist talking about job creation in A MAJORITY BLACK COUNTRY. How on earth does that even make sense?
But of course some clowns view progress as all the white settlers getting the good jobs while blacks simply continue to work as slaves:
Where is the program to train Africans to be doctors,engineers, pharmacists, lawyers and accountants? Nowhere because these white clowns want to keep that for themselves.
And that is what you get when you leave your economy in the hands of whites who have historically used it to enrich themselves and other whites or Asian lackeys and not blacks.... But sure, we are all brethren moving ahead together. RIGHT.
Even the South African millionaire Lebo Gunguluza doesn't believe the nonsense you are talking about. It is funny to hear the black folks talk around the fact that they live in an economic system that is MAN MADE and DESIGNED to keep them down. But they like to parrot these white "talking points" that somehow their being disadvantaged is not somehow the whites fault. Yeah it is all simply a natural occurrence. So lets all play make pretend that blacks and whites are on the same level and equally competing on a even playing field.... God forbid that you actually stand up and demand your rights from those who have been stealing from you. God forbid that you actually call them thieves. Don't do that. God wont like that.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Poor whites of Zimbabwe
Doug you are obviously annoyed by the picture of your people in poverty.
Yet you call Black people slaves but your people are heading into a 1000 years of slavery each day.
Listening to you one would think Muurs are all destitute in Africa whereas your albino fathers are living it off.
That is a waaay off exaggeration. The elites class who control the world live it off from China to India. The poor are poor all over the world.
It is more than skin colour.
In Africa I have seen so-called whites begging on the streets.
In North America I have seen white people picking the trash from my garbage can. I can take pictures of them and post for you too.
Ofcourse there are Black riche in South Africa, Zambia, and all over Africa.
Michael Sata is the boss in Zambia. Here you start pissing your pants about the Deputy PM of Zambia, yet the overall boss is a Black Socialist.
What the heck are you rambling with your evil chants about poor black people? Cry for your white cagot trash brethrens ok? WE the Black people of this world are moving on into the great future.
Your types are closet Nazis who will go down to their 1000 years of slavery.
Muur riche Black folks of South Africa:
South African Black Shoe designers making millions of dollars in the fashion Industry. The powerful millionaire couple Phindi and Tshepo Kgaudi
Richard Maponya, millionaire businessman
Lebo Gunzala 27 year old multi-millionaire South Africa
Patrick Mosepe billionaire, South Africa
And Muur and Muur......
The fact is that most Africans in Africa today live in poverty, even in Egypt. Just like most black folks in the WORLD live in poverty and most of that poverty is directly related to racism and white supremacy. .....
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And there is the root of all your ignorance. Your lil albino arse sitting there in England would like to believe that Muurs are all destitutes.
No Cagot, it is your people who are really destitute vagabonds living only on debts and credit cards.
If you ever visited Africa, you would apologise for such slur.
Kendo has tried to educate you about the true situations in Africa. But your little cagotic arse would rather live in fairy land make believe fantasy.
I am from Africa and I have lots of assets in cash and resources.
I have lots and lots of millionaire friends.
I know thousands of well heeled African professionals living it up in the west.
If you are on dole in England, don't blame the blacks for it. Blame yourself and your lazy arse.
Besides material well, we have so much spiritual and psychological satisfaction in Africa you would not even begin to fathom.
I have lived in Africa and I have lived in the west. All conditions are relative.
Guy Scott is an African even if his skin is pale. Not every white man is rich, and not every white man is connected with the ruling class agenda.
You philosophy is weak and uninformed. It sounds confused unfocussed and spiteful.
You are yet to confess what your true problems are.
For us Africans, we are facing our challenges daily as we move boldly into the future. All children of Africa are welcome to come join the struggle. White, Indian, Muurs, all fought together for Africa's liberation.
Did you ever hear of Joe Slovo, a white boy who gave his life for Africans. Did you ever hear of John Brown, a white boy still marching on with the field Niggers.
Doug, don't bother confuse issues with spamming silly "Human Right Watch" articles.
Save up 800 pounds sterling and take a trip to Zambia and enlighten your cagotic arse.
Yeah sure IronLion. We are all brothers black and white and just one big happy family.
And actually you represent the attitude of the majority of black people world wide, which is pure fantasy world nonsense that gets them NOWHERE. But you know what? They think and act just like whites, fake whites because that is who taught them, trained them and gave them religion.
And yes you are right, the ANC was created by white communists which is exactly why it has done NOTHING for black people overall in South Africa. But hey, these whites with swastikas, feeding your people to dogs are your brethren. Lets just forget that and be happy!
As a matter of fact, the ANC was founded as part of a "rainbow" coalition of whites and Indians as part of a voting rights block. It was NEVER EVER set up to be a black majority party intended to uplift and empower the blacks. It was a love everybody and everything party we are all one party. In fact, they even merged with the National party, the party of the racists. So while I disagree with you, the point is this is EXACTLY the agenda of the whites, which is to promote this nonsense, KUMBAYAH we are one love everybody nonsense while blacks have nothing and whites got everything. And the facts on the ground prove me right from the fact that whites control over 90% of the economy in Africa to the fact that even the poorest black folks still love white folks all of it part of a conscious plan by the elite whites to maintain power, with the sell out Nelson Mandela being the key to the whole plan.
You know it kills me to hear people talk about carjackings and violence in South Africa and how it is so bad (which it is) but they don't talk about how whites carjacked their whole nation and that is OK..... Sad. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Period. And anyone who does wrong should be punished, black or white. If you love the whites after the crimes they committed then nobody should go to jail for anything by that logic.
Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
Iron Lion is right not every thing is negative in Africa. you have white and black people making money and you have poor black and poor white people.The capitalist system is a pyramid you have a lot of poor at the bottom, a medium size of people in the middle and a few rich at the top.The goal is to get more people in the middle and ameliorate the living condition of the poor.
News about Africa need to be balance.There are good thing happening in Africa and there are bad thing happening in Africa.The future look bright for Africa because African are a conscious people now.
I understand Zambian President Sata having a white vice President. Pres Sata judge white vice Pres Guy Scott on is character not in the color of his skin.As a black person living in the USA sometime I meet nice white people and somtime I meet rude and nasty black people.Sometime I meet racist white people and sometime I meet nice black people.You cant judge people on skin color alone you have to study their character first.
Iron Lion great post on Ancient Rome in Rasta live wire.You have a new interpretation of Roman history.you stated Rome was a Carthagenian colony and the punic war was a war of Roman independance from Carthage.You stated the patrician class of Rome was heavily Moors (black) and the plebeian class were pale mulato like Pakistani.The white race came later to Rome as a race of worker and slave. I think that version of Roman history is the real Roman history not the mainstream version.Iron Lion where did you get that info.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
You really think your fake ass albino God created everything. According to your logic, white supremacy/God created apartheid and it also created the ANC and Nelson Mandela which destroyed apartheid.
Your logic is confused, and you sound disaffected.
I want to show you another reality. The economic agenda of Rastafari is not to find a job to become an "employee". That is all I have ever heard you and yourilks whine about here, no "employee"!
The economic liberation of Africa comes from each finding within his mind, that bottomless well of resourcefulness and creativity to become self-reliant and self gratified.
Your model of good life is western and european. That is how I know you are either an albino or a lost and disaffected mulatto without culture. It is a flawed model that leads only to suicide and self destruction.
The land of Africa cannot be stolen away to anywhere. It will remain in Africa.
The resources of Africa have been in laid since creation. They are infinite, because they come from infinity and their purpose is to serve infinity.
Wealth is not silver and gold alone. true wealth cannot be measured by the United Nations Index of Social Development. It is the children you have, the goats in your shed, how full is your barn, how secure you are, your sense of community and well being.
True wealth is culture! Africa has what matters that is why we love everyone, cause we feel love and joy everytime.
Those your albino cousins you so envy, those you think they have everything, they commit the most suicide. Why? Why is it the richer a so-called white country nation/state the more the suicide rate?
But I need to bring you back to reality. Here read this:
quote: It seems that lots of so-called white people are either not having fun or their life is full of guilt.
It is a known that the suicide rate disparity between so-called whites and so-called black males in North America is simply shocking. Many studies have under-stated the ratio as being 28:1. For every 28 white male that commits suicide there is 1 black male.
Shocking. You would begin to wonder, what’s wrong with the so-called white boys?
Well it is even more shocking when you consider the 1992 suicide statistics for United States by race.In 1992, 90% of all the suicides was committed by so-called white people. 78% represented so-called white males and 12% represented so-called white females. Hardly any so-called black featured on the blip in the 1992 studies. Most common cause of death is by firearms. See S. Patrick Kachur et al; Suicide in America 1982 -1992
Only the so-called native Americans seem to match the propensity of the so-called white American male for killing himself.
Stranger yet is the new report circulating online that he suicide rate among middle-aged so-called white Americans rose by 28% in last decade.
A new report from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has found that among adults between the ages of 35-64, white people and American Indians saw the sharpest increases from 1999 to 2010.
It is significant to note that since 2009, suicide has claimed more Americans yearly than motor vehicle crashes. It does not sound like it is Christmas in God’s own country.
In 2010, there were 38,350 suicides, making it America’s 10th leading cause of death.
Experts are unsure why so-called white people have a disproportionately steep rate of suicide.
quote:Originally posted by mena7: Iron Lion is right not every thing is negative in Africa. you have white and black people making money and you have poor black and poor white people.The capitalist system is a pyramid you have a lot of poor at the bottom, a medium size of people in the middle and a few rich at the top.The goal is to get more people in the middle and ameliorate the living condition of the poor.
News about Africa need to be balance.There are good thing happening in Africa and there are bad thing happening in Africa.The future look bright for Africa because African are a conscious people now.
I understand Zambian President Sata having a white vice President. Pres Sata judge white vice Pres Guy Scott on is character not in the color of his skin.As a black person living in the USA sometime I meet nice white people and somtime I meet rude and nasty black people.Sometime I meet racist white people and sometime I meet nice black people.You cant judge people on skin color alone you have to study their character first.
Iron Lion great post on Ancient Rome in Rasta live wire.You have a new interpretation of Roman history.you stated Rome was a Carthagenian colony and the punic war was a war of Roman independance from Carthage.You stated the patrician class of Rome was heavily Moors (black) and the plebeian class were pale mulato like Pakistani.The white race came later to Rome as a race of worker and slave. I think that version of Roman history is the real Roman history not the mainstream version.Iron Lion where did you get that info.
Thanks Mena7.
Some older Rastaman who have seen pages of manuscript hidden away in the Vatican library, taught me that. he showed me the reality of old Rome.
Then I took a stock, and re-read my older history books and discovery that the Rastaman was right as usual.
BTW did you notice this picture in the article below the one you read? It is from Novgorod Russia depicting 40 Roman Soldiers martyred for their christian beliefs?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
And this one is for Misreable Doug the Misraelite who believes that everything bad is Black and everything enjoyable is white.
Tell me why your Riche and joyful cousins have turned so suicidal and mournful:
Lots of People are committing Suicide in Babylon! – Jahdey
In 2009, 32,845 Japanese people killed themselves. For more than 12 straight years, the number of annual suicide in Japan has been above 30,000 threshold.
It works out at 88 suicides every single day. That is a lot of people who appear to be fed up with their lives.
The rich west has the highest suicide rates of all the world’s countries. In Japan, suicide is endemic.
South Korea also has a very high rate of suicide and that country has a comparable social structure as Japan.
In Sweden, Lithuania, in the U.K and United States, the suicide rates are equally alarming as the rates in Japan and Korea.
Yet, in 2009, in Haiti, or Chad, Sudan, Congo or Saharawi Republic, some of the world’s so-called poorest countries in the world, there was barely any suicide reported for the year. And so it has been for the past 12 straight years, prior to 2009, yes and even beyond to Adam.
Is it that life and livity is better in the so-called poorer countries than in the so-called rich countries?
What is it in so-called materially rich countries that causes those so many so-called successful people to take the horrific path of suicide?
Is living so hopeless in Babylon with its materialism that more than ONE MILLION people (when you factor in the rates in US, Britain, Sweden, Australia, Germany, France, Canada, Neatherland, Italy, Belgium, Russia, Israel, etc…etc) kill themselves each year?
Is someone being conned and deceived about the reality in Babylon?
Rasta add two and two together and sum up the answer.
another way of commiting suicide is if you know somebody carries a gun and you purposely insult and threaten that person. Sometimes they shoot you
Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
IronLion I agree wealth is not in silver and gold alone. True wealth cant be measure by the UN social development index.True wealth is your children, your family, your security, your house.True wealth is culture.The land of Africa cant be stolen away to anywhere it will remain in Africa.
The Buddhist Himalayan country of Bhutan created a GHP index or gross happiness product meaning how happy are its people as oppose to the GDP index who measure how rich is the people of a country.
Kung Fu Tzu or Confucius stated you can find pleasure in every little thing.I agree I feel wealthy and extremely happy looking at the pictures of Ancient black King/Queen and priest of the world.If the governement know that they will tax the pictures.Probably Mike feel the same way.
The real history of the world is oral because the world power will not allow scholars to write anykind of book.Im happy the Rasta Elder was lucky to read the rare Vatican manuscript about Rome black history.If you want to see the pictures of the bronze bust statues of ancient black Roman enter the word balsamarium in Google image.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Well now, I have heard it all. So the debate is basically that whites have done nothing to blacks for them to be angry and want to whip their behinds over. And that all the stories of poor Africans are just fake propaganda and that Africans in Africa and everywhere else are just living great and whites have done nothing to keep them down. Blacks have as much money or more money than whites and run everything, with whites playing a small role in the economics of Africa. Whites and blacks are just one big happy family and Africans should not hate anyone and just be happy all the time.
Nothing is life is good and happy all the time and like I said before that nonsense attitude is what is keeping black people backwards.
They will fight each other tooth and nail and then turn around and say how much they LOOOOVE white folks and white folks can do no wrong.
And some folks on this forum are a perfect example of what I am talking about.
To hear them tell it slavery and colonialism weren't as bad as we think, certainly nothing to be mad at white people over....
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^^Why did you side step the question I asked you?
Why are your albino cousins committing suicide in the very rich western countries, if life were soooo gooood for them?
How come Africans are not killing themselves off if life were sooo baad for them?
Doug, you have the wrong interpretation, mixed up with vain imagination.
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: And this one is for Misreable Doug the Misraelite who believes that everything bad is Black and everything enjoyable is white.
Tell me why your Riche and joyful cousins have turned so suicidal and mournful:
Lots of People are committing Suicide in Babylon! – Jahdey
In 2009, 32,845 Japanese people killed themselves. For more than 12 straight years, the number of annual suicide in Japan has been above 30,000 threshold.
It works out at 88 suicides every single day. That is a lot of people who appear to be fed up with their lives.
The rich west has the highest suicide rates of all the world’s countries. In Japan, suicide is endemic.
South Korea also has a very high rate of suicide and that country has a comparable social structure as Japan.
In Sweden, Lithuania, in the U.K and United States, the suicide rates are equally alarming as the rates in Japan and Korea.
Yet, in 2009, in Haiti, or Chad, Sudan, Congo or Saharawi Republic, some of the world’s so-called poorest countries in the world, there was barely any suicide reported for the year. And so it has been for the past 12 straight years, prior to 2009, yes and even beyond to Adam.
Is it that life and livity is better in the so-called poorer countries than in the so-called rich countries?
What is it in so-called materially rich countries that causes those so many so-called successful people to take the horrific path of suicide?
Is living so hopeless in Babylon with its materialism that more than ONE MILLION people (when you factor in the rates in US, Britain, Sweden, Australia, Germany, France, Canada, Neatherland, Italy, Belgium, Russia, Israel, etc…etc) kill themselves each year?
Is someone being conned and deceived about the reality in Babylon?
Rasta add two and two together and sum up the answer.
Still pretending to be a Jamaican Rastafarian you mozzad agent?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by mena7: IronLion I agree wealth is not in silver and gold alone. True wealth cant be measure by the UN social development index.True wealth is your children, your family, your security, your house.True wealth is culture.The land of Africa cant be stolen away to anywhere it will remain in Africa.
The Buddhist Himalayan country of Bhutan created a GHP index or gross happiness product meaning how happy are its people as oppose to the GDP index who measure how rich is the people of a country.
Kung Fu Tzu or Confucius stated you can find pleasure in every little thing.I agree I feel wealthy and extremely happy looking at the pictures of Ancient black King/Queen and priest of the world.If the governement know that they will tax the pictures.Probably Mike feel the same way.
The real history of the world is oral because the world power will not allow scholars to write anykind of book.Im happy the Rasta Elder was lucky to read the rare Vatican manuscript about Rome black history.If you want to see the pictures of the bronze bust statues of ancient black Roman enter the word balsamarium in Google image.
Good reference source - balsamarium.
Thanks Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: And this one is for Misreable Doug the Misraelite who believes that everything bad is Black and everything enjoyable is white.
Tell me why your Riche and joyful cousins have turned so suicidal and mournful:
Lots of People are committing Suicide in Babylon! – Jahdey
In 2009, 32,845 Japanese people killed themselves. For more than 12 straight years, the number of annual suicide in Japan has been above 30,000 threshold.
It works out at 88 suicides every single day. That is a lot of people who appear to be fed up with their lives.
The rich west has the highest suicide rates of all the world’s countries. In Japan, suicide is endemic.
South Korea also has a very high rate of suicide and that country has a comparable social structure as Japan.
In Sweden, Lithuania, in the U.K and United States, the suicide rates are equally alarming as the rates in Japan and Korea.
Yet, in 2009, in Haiti, or Chad, Sudan, Congo or Saharawi Republic, some of the world’s so-called poorest countries in the world, there was barely any suicide reported for the year. And so it has been for the past 12 straight years, prior to 2009, yes and even beyond to Adam.
Is it that life and livity is better in the so-called poorer countries than in the so-called rich countries?
What is it in so-called materially rich countries that causes those so many so-called successful people to take the horrific path of suicide?
Is living so hopeless in Babylon with its materialism that more than ONE MILLION people (when you factor in the rates in US, Britain, Sweden, Australia, Germany, France, Canada, Neatherland, Italy, Belgium, Russia, Israel, etc…etc) kill themselves each year?
Is someone being conned and deceived about the reality in Babylon?
Rasta add two and two together and sum up the answer.
Still pretending to be a Jamaican Rastafarian you mozzad agent?
LOL!
Police rat:
Bloo'clat police ratzzz!!!
Ratatouille.... Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
^^^lol
Whats the big deal, what is he saying about South Africa(ns) that isnt true?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Zambian gay couple rearrested after tipoff by relatives Two men from Kapiri Mposhi have been living together and now face charges of 'having sex against the order of nature'
David Smith, Africa correspondent The Guardian, Tuesday 7 May 2013 13.58 EDT
president Guy Scott claimed anti-gay laws were not a priority for Zambia, but that does not seem to be the evidence on the ground.
A Gay couple in Zambia has been arrested after police were tipped off about their relationship by one of the men's relatives, local media reported.
The crackdown comes weeks after a human rights activist was detained for publicly demanding that same sex relations be decriminalised.
James Mwape, 20, and 21-year-old Philip Mubiana, from the northern town of Kapiri Mposhi, are understood to have been living together for some time, according to Zambia News and Information Services (Zanis).
Standwell Lungu, police chief in Zambia's central province, was quoted as saying: "The two have been charged with the offence of sodomy or having sex against the order of nature contrary to the laws of Zambia.
"The relatives are the ones that reported the matter to the police."
Police claimed that Mubiana played the role of "wife" in the relationship and had been seen dressed in women's clothes. The case mirrors that of a gay couple in Malawi who in 2009 were jailed and ridiculed before receiving a presidential pardon.
On Tuesday, Zanis reported that the men had been rearrested and denied bail after "they were found in the act again" and would face further charges.
Lungu said medical tests proved that the men had sex. "We have revoked police bond and rearrested the two men for again engaging in the act which they were arrested on in the first place. They will remain in custody until they appear in court … We have given them more counts."
The couple are due to appear in court on Wednesday.
Last month, activist Paul Kasonkomona was arrested minutes after a live TV appearance in which he said homosexuality should no longer be outlawed.
In a recent interview with the Guardian, the Zambian vice-president, Guy Scott, defended the police action. "The problem with this guy going on television was that we had to do something because if we had done absolutely nothing we would have got a bollocking from all these evangelical churches plus damn idiots," he said. "On the other hand, we didn't want to give him a particularly hard ride."
Scott made clear that gay rights is not a priority in Zambia. "I think you've got so much cleaning up to do of killings and defilements and this and that, it's almost self indulgent to think, 'Well, why don't we sit here and talk about gay rights?'"
But Scott's claim that Zambia has a policy of "live and let live" appears to have been challenged by the latest arrests. It was also contradicted bky Chishimba Kambwili, the youth and sport minister, who recently told a radio programme: "We don't want Zambia's children to be taught any vice. We will not tolerate homosexuality. Those who want to promote homosexuality in Zambia are wasting their time. If anything, we are planning to stiffen laws against homosexuality."
Homosexuality is illegal in 37 African countries. In Zambia 98% of the population disapprove of homosexual behaviour, according to a 2010 survey, and newspaper headlines such as "cage homos" are commonplace.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: ^^^lol
Whats the big deal, what is he saying about South Africa(ns) that isnt true?
No, it is false!
It costs $900 return trip for a trip from New York to South Africa.
Hotel costs ranges from $500 per week....
A total of $1400. It is not too much for your student's pocket, if you saved well.
Take a trip there and see for yourself...
I have family, friends, and houses across Africa so I know.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Quote: Michael’s (Sata) very clever, he knows people tend to regard him as a racist because he talks rough.
“He’s usually tried it out on me already. He says things like, ‘What would you be if you weren’t white?’ I said, ‘The president?’ That shut him up.”
That statement by Sata has stuck in my craw since I first read it. What a fuching cop-out, here is a fuching African, IN Africa, complaining about White privilege IN Africa! And how the hell did the Whites GET that privilege? By kicking the sh1t out of worthless Africans of course! So what is this fool saying exactly?
The world shakes the heads at the performance of the Haitians, but at least the Haitians have an excuse, they were all alone, in a hostile environment, with no support and no resources.
Whereas Africans had all the resources and people that they could possibly need - so really - who did the worst? Next to American Albinos, Africans have to be the most delusional people on Earth!
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Quote: Michael’s (Sata) very clever, he knows people tend to regard him as a racist because he talks rough.
“He’s usually tried it out on me already. He says things like, ‘What would you be if you weren’t white?’ I said, ‘The president?’ That shut him up.”
That statement by Sata has stuck in my craw since I first read it. What a fuching cop-out, here is a fuching African, IN Africa, complaining about White privilege IN Africa! And how the hell did the Whites GET that privilege? By kicking the sh1t out of worthless Africans of course! So what is this fool saying exactly?
The world shakes the heads at the performance of the Haitians, but at least the Haitians have an excuse, they were all alone, in a hostile environment, with no support and no resources.
Whereas Africans had all the resources and people that they could possibly need - so really - who did the worst? Next to American Albinos, Africans have to be the most delusional people on Earth!
Mike
This woman is the real leader of India. She is Italian. What comment would you have about that compared to Africa.
I am interested in hearing your response.
This man below, if you saw him would you call him black or white:
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Lion - Really???
You would compare Indians (Hindus) and Africans?
As you know, I insult Africans without restrain, but I have never gone THAT far.
.
B&W photo, can't say for sure. Certainly a mulatto, must allow self identification.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
side and front view, Master Fard Muhammad, founder of The Nation of Islam, according to the Nation Master Fard's father was a Black Arabian named Alfonso and his mother was a white woman nicknamed Baby Gee from the Caucus mountains. His father married the white woman so that the son who could bring the message would be less noticed in personal appearance
photo source: unitedblackamerica.com
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
B&W photo, can't say for sure. Certainly a mulatto, must allow self identification. [/QB]
Mulattoes tend to have afroish hair
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Lion - Really???
You would compare Indians (Hindus) and Africans?
As you know, I insult Africans without restrain, but I have never gone THAT far.
.
B&W photo, can't say for sure. Certainly a mulatto, must allow self identification.
Ok sir, you are al'correct. Proceed...
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
side and front view, Master Fard Muhammad, founder of The Nation of Islam, according to the Nation Master Fard's father was a Black Arabian named Alfonso and his mother was a white woman nicknamed Baby Gee from the Caucus mountains. His father married the white woman so that the son who could bring the message would be less noticed in personal appearance
photo source: unitedblackamerica.com
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
B&W photo, can't say for sure. Certainly a mulatto, must allow self identification.
Mulattoes tend to have afroish hair [/QB]
Lionese
That was the baddest black man that ever lived. The most dangerous Muur.
He is the God-father of you know who... Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Lionese
That was the baddest black man that ever lived. The most dangerous Muur.
He is the God-father of you know who... [/QB]
Is it possible he wasn't black at all?
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Lionese
That was the baddest black man that ever lived. The most dangerous Muur.
He is the God-father of you know who...
Is it possible he wasn't black at all? [/QB]
You just cited that his father was a black Arab.
From what was told to me, he was part of the pantheon.
Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
Master Fard Muhammad is a metis or mulato (black blood) that look like a North african, a Southern Italian, a Southern Spanish and a Saudi Arabian.
I remember IronLion saying blackness is also in the bloodline not only in skin color. Maybe some of the monarch, noble and priesthood in the world follow that ideology.I remember watching the video Ring of Power by Grace Powers in youtube were the speaker states that the British Royal family is descendant of the Egyptian Hebrew Pharaoh (Atonist) and the Ptolemy.It is very strange that an Island country like Great Britain conquered and colonised North America, half of Africa, India, West Asia, Australia, Malaysia etc.According to Mtsar the British state symbols like the red cross come from the Nile Valle.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Lionese
That was the baddest black man that ever lived. The most dangerous Muur.
He is the God-father of you know who...
Is it possible he wasn't black at all?
You just cited that his father was a black Arab.
From what was told to me, he was part of the pantheon. [/QB]
In the 1920 United States Census he reported his race as white, his occupation as a proprietor of a restaurant, and gave his place of birth as New Zealand. He provided no known place of birth for his parents, nor his date of immigration.On June 5, 1924, one Wallie Dodd Ford was wed to Carmen Frevino (or Trevino) in Orange County, California. Ford reported he was a cook, age 26, born in Oregon, but living in Los Angeles. He reported he was of "Spanish" race. His parents names are given as Zaradodd Ford of "Madrad, Span" (presumably Madrid, Spain) and Babbjie. [4] In 1926, Ford was arrested and imprisoned for attempting to sell drugs to an undercover police officer, serving three years in San Quentin State Prison. After he was released in 1929, he disappeared from the public record until "Wallace Fard" was arrested in 1932. He was identified as Wallace Dodd Ford on the basis of photographs and matching fingerprints.
The Nation of Islam rejects this identification of Wallace Dodd Ford as Wallace Fard Muhammad, interpreting it as part of a smear campaign. They also say that he was born in 1877 (which would put him in his 50s when photographed), and that he came from Mecca.
1920 Federal U.S. Census, Los Angeles City, Enumeration District 206, Sheet 10B
California State Board of Health, County of Orange, Certificate of Marriage, Local Registered No. 1768, as located in "California, County Marriages, 1850-1952," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K8FM-5FP : accessed 05 Jan 2013), Wallie Dodd Ford and Carmen Frevino, 1924.
A Māori family stand in front of their rickety slab whare, in the King Country around 1900. Substandard housing contributed to illness and premature death for many Māori from the 19th century on. http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/photograph/26593/maori-dwelling Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Lionese
That was the baddest black man that ever lived. The most dangerous Muur.
He is the God-father of you know who...
Is it possible he wasn't black at all?
You just cited that his father was a black Arab.
From what was told to me, he was part of the pantheon.
In the 1920 United States Census he reported his race as white, his occupation as a proprietor of a restaurant, and gave his place of birth as New Zealand. He provided no known place of birth for his parents, nor his date of immigration.On June 5, 1924, one Wallie Dodd Ford was wed to Carmen Frevino (or Trevino) in Orange County, California. Ford reported he was a cook, age 26, born in Oregon, but living in Los Angeles. He reported he was of "Spanish" race. His parents names are given as Zaradodd Ford of "Madrad, Span" (presumably Madrid, Spain) and Babbjie. [4] In 1926, Ford was arrested and imprisoned for attempting to sell drugs to an undercover police officer, serving three years in San Quentin State Prison. After he was released in 1929, he disappeared from the public record until "Wallace Fard" was arrested in 1932. He was identified as Wallace Dodd Ford on the basis of photographs and matching fingerprints.
The Nation of Islam rejects this identification of Wallace Dodd Ford as Wallace Fard Muhammad, interpreting it as part of a smear campaign. They also say that he was born in 1877 (which would put him in his 50s when photographed), and that he came from Mecca.
1920 Federal U.S. Census, Los Angeles City, Enumeration District 206, Sheet 10B
California State Board of Health, County of Orange, Certificate of Marriage, Local Registered No. 1768, as located in "California, County Marriages, 1850-1952," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K8FM-5FP : accessed 05 Jan 2013), Wallie Dodd Ford and Carmen Frevino, 1924.
I know about this story. But the NOI has confirmed that its not true.
Wesley Muhammad has a book on this topic.
I haven't read it thou. But in it he explains the in-and-outs.
And I can't see how the average Maori could pass for someone of Arab-stock? Or even knew about Islam etc...during those days.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ^^Why did you side step the question I asked you?
Why are your albino cousins committing suicide in the very rich western countries, if life were soooo gooood for them?
How come Africans are not killing themselves off if life were sooo baad for them?
Doug, you have the wrong interpretation, mixed up with vain imagination.
I didn't side step anything. In fact, I rather appreciate your point of view because you represent the vast majority of black folks even those so called "revolutionaries". You sit up here and claim whites are racist and evil but then turn right around and claim them as your brothers in a social, political and economic sense. The funny part is if you read any articles about this man on any of the many sites about Zambia the whites are basically telling black folks to shut up and get over it, meaning slavery and colonialism. So whatever "love" you have for these people, they are not returning it, just like whatever land and wealth they stole they aren't returning that either, but you seem to be happy to see them with it.
Now keep in mind that Guy Scott cannot come out and say racist things since he holds political office. But that is not the point. The point is what I said earlier, that whites are going to use the dissatisfaction that blacks have with THEIR OWN LEADERSHIP(who in reality aren't THEIRS to begin with) to start promoting themselves as PROGRESSIVE when in reality they aren't and are just using political theater to distract the masses and push their own agenda. Whites who control the wealth of Southern Africa, have planned this exact scenario long before Nelson Mandela was even freed from prison. They forced the ANC to sell out the cause of black reparations and they knew full well the ANC (and other black politicians) would face most of the wrath of their own people as a result of NOT REALLY changing the economic system or forcing reparations. Robert Mugabe was one of the few who did anything but in reality he only did it to maintain his grip on power and not to REALLY change the status quo. To that point, IAN SMITH, the openly racist former president of Rhodesia died peacefully in Zimbabwe under Mugabe's rule and nothing happened to him. And now Mugabe's primary opposition is bankrolled by the white landowners.
That is what I said in my post and not once have you provided anything to contradict what I said. So until you can provide something to show what I said is incorrect, I won't answer anything other than to say you represent the sad state of most black folks concerning their history, their present state and their future.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ^^Why did you side step the question I asked you?
Why are your albino cousins committing suicide in the very rich western countries, if life were soooo gooood for them?
How come Africans are not killing themselves off if life were sooo baad for them?
Doug, you have the wrong interpretation, mixed up with vain imagination.
bla..bla..bla.. That is what I said in my post and not once have you provided anything to contradict what I said. So until you can provide something to show what I said is incorrect, I won't answer anything other than to say you represent the sad state of most black folks concerning their history, their present state and their future.
Hogwash and emotional tripe.
You are an illogical pink white racist who uses the evil magick of Afro-pessimism to peddle your racist views.
It is weak ass minded pink punks like you who work for all the western newspapers which are paid to only sow disaffection amongst African youths.
I am waay too smart and sophisticated for your wicked spells, and will rather turn it against you.
You that pretend to cry about black people, how many times have you cried for your pink folks committing suicide and self destructions?
How often have I heard you address the issue of the diminishing populations of albinos all over the world like an endangered specie?
How often have you harped on the cancer epidemic destroying your people?
You talk inversely about Africaa's weakness so that you can permit your albino pink ass to feel superior to African. Bytch we know your types and their crocodile tears.
Fake ass sympathizer dismissing everything about Africa, what have you achieved in life?
Are you not on dole as your name is Doug?
What have you ever done for Africa? What have you ever done for anyone including your albino family?
How many Africans have you ever employed or sent to school?
How many books and educational tracts have you written to build African minds?
But you have the guts and the temerity to judge others who have built schools, hospitals, factories, banks, and all in Africa?
Shut up you faceless cowardly pink ass boy with your wicked and evil mantra.
You are just as nasty as Doxie and Cass.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness
native Maori men, New Zealand
I know about this story. But the NOI has confirmed that its not true.
The NOI also confirms that the Japanese made giant flyings saucers that are manned by black people that will bomb America with poison gas. The NOI also confirms white people were made by an ancient black scientist in a laboratory by grafting
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
Wesley Muhammad has a book on this topic.
I haven't read it thou. But in it he explains the in-and-outs.
And I can't see how the average Maori could pass for someone of Arab-stock? Or even knew about Islam etc...during those days.
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Wallace Fard Muhammad had observed the organization that Noble Drew Ali had formed and he decided to form a similar organization.
Fard Muhhammad brought a message to black people that Black people are God and that white people are the Devil although according to Elijah Muhammad he was half white himself.
Because many black people liked this message when he said his father was from Mecca nobody questioned it. he was considered a holy man Elijah Muhammad said Fard Muhammad was "in the person of Allah"
Wesley Muhammad Willams is a follower of Master Fard's religion.
^^^ If you looked at this picture and didn't know who it was would you assume that this is a half Arab half white person? That is what the NOI says.
If I looked at this person without knowing who he was he could fit any number of ethnicities. I might guess just on looking he was hispanic, like a Mexican who is half Spanish descent. Not the more native looking Mexicans. The NOI said Fard Muhammad was half white anyway.
That doesn't mean he was Hispanic. He could have been half Arabian or he could have been half New Zealander or half Moroccan or half native American. half a millon things Print out his picture. Show it to some people who don't know who he is. Ask them what nationality they think he is. I would be surprised if most said Arab
Master Fard had the ability to invent a new religion custom made for black people. He had oratory skills and was good at getting people to come see him speak.
If he was from New Zealand black people might not have related to that.
I don't know if he was from New Zealand or not. Even if he was from New Zealand he could have been half white and Elijah Muhammad said he was half white.
Most people from New Zealand are not Maori but I put up a couple for comparison.
You put up a different picture of Maoris as if to suggest the pictures I put up were false. They are not false, Maoris don't all look the same. Add to that half white and that covers a lot of variation
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
Maori are diverse in looks. Africans are not and can't be. LOL
Joker!
I rather believe what the NOI tells about their own history, then your hypothesis. May I remind you that you lie all the time.
May I remind you, that during those days you had Brown vs Board and the Jim Crow Law (with all it's inequities). It was implemented and supported by the government. As if such government will absolutely tell the truth?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Poor whites of Zimbabwe
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Doug you are obviously annoyed by the picture of your people in poverty.
Yet you call Black people slaves but your people are heading into a 1000 years of slavery each day.
Listening to you one would think Muurs are all destitute in Africa whereas your albino fathers are living it off.
That is a waaay off exaggeration. The elites class who control the world live it off from China to India. The poor are poor all over the world.
It is more than skin colour.
In Africa I have seen so-called whites begging on the streets.
In North America I have seen white people picking the trash from my garbage can. I can take pictures of them and post for you too.
Ofcourse there are Black riche in South Africa, Zambia, and all over Africa.
Michael Sata is the boss in Zambia. Here you start pissing your pants about the Deputy PM of Zambia, yet the overall boss is a Black Socialist.
What the heck are you rambling with your evil chants about poor black people? Cry for your white cagot trash brethrens ok? WE the Black people of this world are moving on into the great future.
Your types are closet Nazis who will go down to their 1000 years of slavery.
Muur riche Black folks of South Africa:
South African Black Shoe designers making millions of dollars in the fashion Industry. The powerful millionaire couple Phindi and Tshepo Kgaudi
Richard Maponya, millionaire businessman
Lebo Gunzala 27 year old multi-millionaire South Africa
Patrick Mosepe billionaire, South Africa
And Muur and Muur......
Do white people have a future in South Africa?
By John Simpson World Affairs Editor, BBC News
Apartheid South Africa looked after white people and nobody else. Now some of its white communities face a level of deprivation, or of violence, which threatens their future in the country.
Everyone here, regardless of colour, tells you that white people are still riding high.
They run the economy. They have a disproportionate amount of influence in politics and the media.
They still have the best houses and most of the best jobs.
All of this is true but it is not the only picture.
Look below the surface and you will find poverty and a sense of growing vulnerability.
The question I have come to South Africa to answer is whether white people genuinely have a future here.
The answer, as with so many similar existential questions, is "Yes - but…"
It seems to me that only certain parts of the white community really have a genuine future here: the better-off, more adaptable parts.
Working-class white people, most of them Afrikaans-speakers, are going through an intense crisis. But you will not read about it in the newspapers or see it reported on television because their plight seems to be something arising out of South Africa's bad old past - a past which everyone, black and white, would like to forget.
According to one leading political activist, Mandla Nyaqela, this is the after-effect of the huge degree of selfishness and brutality which was shown towards the black population under apartheid.
"It is having its effect on whites today, even though they still own a share of South Africa's wealth which is entirely disproportionate," he said. That may all be true. But the people who are suffering now are the weakest and most vulnerable members of the white community.
Ernst Roets, a leading Afrikaans campaigner from the AfriForum organisation, took me to a squatter camp outside the country's capital, Pretoria. A white squatter camp.
It has been set up on the property of a sympathetic white farmer and is called, optimistically, Sonskyn Hoekie - Sunshine Corner. There are broken-down cars and bits of discarded furniture everywhere. Beyond the wooden shacks lie ditches and pools of dirty, stagnant water where mosquitoes breed. Two basic toilets serve the whole camp.
According to Roets there are 80 white squatter camps - many of them bigger than this - in the Pretoria area alone. Across South Africa as a whole he believes there could be as many as 400,000 poor whites in conditions like these.
Sonskyn Hoekie has no water and no electricity. The inhabitants live on two hand-out meals of maize porridge a day, which is provided by local volunteers. There is no social security for them, no lifeline - any more than there was for non-whites when apartheid ruled.
"I don't want to live in a place like this," said Frans de Jaeger, a former bricklayer, who with his beard and wrinkled face looks like one of the old Voortrekkers.
"But I can't get out." His wife died suddenly of cancer a few years ago and it sent him into a downward spiral of binge drinking and destitution.
Semi-skilled white people have little chance of getting a job when so many black South Africans are unemployed.
There is another group of white Afrikaners, far higher up the social scale, who are deeply threatened - in this case, literally. Virtually every week the press here report the murders of white farmers, though you will not hear much about it in the media outside South Africa.
In South Africa you are twice as likely to be murdered if you are a white farmer than if you are a police officer - and the police here have a particularly dangerous life. The killings of farmers are often particularly brutal.
Ernst Roets's organisation has published the names of more than 2,000 people who have died over the last two decades. The government has so far been unwilling to make solving and preventing these murders a priority.
I went to a little town called Geluik - happiness. A few weeks ago gunmen burst into the farm shop there and opened fire, killing one farmer outright and injuring one of his sons and a shopworker.
They stole next to nothing. It seemed to be a deliberate, targeted killing. Soon afterwards the son died of his injuries.
Belinda van Nord, the daughter and sister of the men who died, told me how dangerous the lives of white people in the countryside have become. The police, she said, had seemed to show little interest in this case.
In the little graveyard where her father and brother are buried there are two other graves of farmers murdered recently. The wonderful landscape which surrounds it has become a killing ground. There used to be 60,000 white farmers in South Africa. In 20 years that number has halved.
In the old days, the apartheid system looked after whites and did very little for anyone else.
Nowadays white people here are on their own. Those who fit in and succeed will certainly have a future. As for the rest, there are no guarantees whatsoever.
South Africa has the largest wealth gap in the world and most of the population is in poverty. And since blacks are the majority of the population, that means that the majority of the people in poverty in South Africa and the rest of Africa are black. As a matter of fact, most Africans period live in poverty, not just in Africa but around the world. So that is quite a few hundred million people. In America, blacks make up a large percentage of the poorest population even though they are a minority. Same in South America, Jamaica, Haiti, Central America and everywhere else. All of this is a legacy of historic white supremacy, colonialism and the slave trade.
quote: A government study has shown more than half of the people in South Africa live in poverty.
The survey, which is the latest to be conducted by the government's statistics agency but dates back to 2009, shows that South Africa is one of the most unequal countries in the world.
And the first census done in a decade indicates that white South Africans still take home six times more pay than their black compatriots - nearly two decades after the end of apartheid.
The reports come at a difficult time for the South African president, Jacob Zuma, who is fighting to be re-elected as leader of the ruling ANC party.
The outcome of that vote will determine who leads the party into the next election - and therefore who'll likely be the South African president until 2019.
The reports show the country's black middle class is growing fast. It's now the same size as the white South African middle class, helped by the country's employment laws which were drawn up to redress decades of inequality and unfairness by previous white regimes.
Dont let those numbers fool you. That middle class is just simply a bunch of wage slaves token negroes who are happy to get a bigger check from the same white slave master and colonist who formerly used their ancestors as dog food. As long as they get a check, whatever happened before doesn't matter....
And these slums didn't just get there yesterday. This is the ONLY place blacks were supposed to live at for the last 200 years. And this is no different from anywhere else in Africa or South America or the Carribean where black folks live at.
(And this was built by white people... claiming to help a one room shack, no electricity, running water, etc.... basically a tin shack/mud hut with a chalk board. And black folks STILL believe they really want to help them... after robbing them for over 200 years... LOL!)Kenyans should be embarrassed that they allow these people to pull such nonsense scams. As if Africans cant build their own one room mud hut/tin shack with a chalk board..... Seriously this isn't "help". They are supposed to be building real schools with electricity and everything else, but what do you expect when you turn the crook into your savior? Oh but that's right, this school and all these other schools are built just for that, to teach you how to love a white savior.... Jesus Christ. https://www.flickr.com/photos/starofhope/3882919580/
quote: Brookhouse is a Round Square co-educational day and boarding school for children aged 2 – 19, offering an adapted form of the British National Curriculum to Kenyan and international pupils. The pursuit of academic excellence is at the center of our educational philosophy and approach. Equally, as a global member of the Round Square association of schools worldwide, we believe that a school should foster courage, generosity, imagination, principle and resolve so that children emerge empowered with the skills and abilities to be the leaders and guardians of tomorrow’s world. We endeavour to provide the security and guidance necessary for children to achieve their potential in a friendly and supportive but academically rigorous atmosphere. As such we commit ourselves to the Round Square ethos by considering the six foundation pillars of Round Square as central to our holistic approach to education, augmenting our intrinsic commitment to academic excellence. The six pillars or IDEALS are: Internationalism; Democracy; Environment; Adventure; Leadership and Service.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
So-called Whites of South Africa: Poor Pinks
BBC News - Do white people have a future in south Africa???
Weeell....... you tell me.....
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: blah..blah..blah..
White school in Kenya (no one room shack here): ....
So nice they had a recent presidential debate at this school....
quote: Brookhouse is a Round Square co-educational day and boarding school for children aged 2 – 19, offering an adapted form of the British National Curriculum to Kenyan and international pupils. ......
There are no white schools in Kenya. Kenya does not have an apartheid system. Kenya has been independent since 1962, practising a western style democracy.
Kenya has elite classses. But these are Black people, Black billoniares, Black President, Black Generals, Black Air Marshalls, and a Muurish Flag! Like every other country, there are also poor kenyans.
The elites Kenyans send their children to schools like Brookehouse. LOL! I went to such school myself because I won a scholarship not because I was elite (mind you).
Read your own quote again:
quote: ...Brookhouse is a Round Square co-educational day and boarding school for children aged 2 – 19, offering an adapted form of the British National Curriculum to KENYAN and international pupils.
Homes for Sale in Kenya. Buy/Rent. My friends live around this neighbourhood..
lmao at this chump... Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote: The income of white South African households is six times higher than black ones, new census figures reveal.
President Jacob Zuma said the census showed the black majority is still at the "bottom of the rung", 18 years after white minority rule ended.
The statistics showed that while the income of black households had increased by nearly 170% in the last decade, they still earned the least.
The population now stands at nearly 52 million, 79% of whom are black people.
It has risen by seven million since 2001. 'Great strides'
The 2011 census statistics showed that children below the age of five number nearly 11 million, making them the largest age group. Continue reading the main story “Start Quote
Much remains to be done to further improve the livelihoods of our people especially in terms of significant disparities that still exist between the rich and poor”
Jacob Zuma South Africa's president
"It could be that HIV [infection] rates have levelled out and fertility has begun to recover," said Statistics South Africa's demographic analysis executive director, Diego Iturralde.
The average annual income of a white household is about 365,000 rand ($42,000; Ł26,000), followed by Indians at 251,000 rand, people of mixed race at 251,500 rand and blacks at 60,600 rand, it showed.
Other key findings include:
Nearly 30% of the labour force is unemployed More than three million children (nearly 4%) are orphans More than nine million people live in homes while the number of shack-dwellers has risen since 2001 to nearly two million The number of homes with flush toilets has increased from 50% in 2001 to 57% The number of people who have completed higher education has increased to 11.8%, from 8.4% in 2001 The number of homes with electricity has increased from 58.2% in 1996 to 84.7% in 2011 Paraffin is the main energy source at 7.5% of all homes Mobile phone ownership has increased from less than 32% a decade ago to nearly 90%.
Mr Zuma said the census showed that while "great strides" have been made since racial segregation ended in 1994, much still needed to be done to end inequality.
"These figures tell us that at the bottom of the rung is the black majority who continue to be confronted by deep poverty, unemployment and inequality, despite the progress that we have made since 1994," he said.
"Much remains to be done to further improve the livelihoods of our people especially in terms of significant disparities that still exist between the rich and poor."
Mr Zuma pledged that by 2030 the African National Congress (ANC) government would make sure that each community had a clinic, school, library and police station.
quote: .These figures tell us that at the bottom of the rung is the black majority who continue to be confronted by deep poverty, unemployment and inequality,. President Jacob Zuma said at the release of the results. .Great strides have been made. However, much remains to be done to further improve the livelihoods of our people especially in terms of significant disparities that still exist between the rich and poor..
Under white segregationist rule, black South Africans were disadvantaged by poor education that confined many to unskilled, low-paying jobs. Zuma.s African National Congress has struggled to rectify the inequality gap since coming to power in 1994 even as it boosted access to electricity and water. .These figures tell us that at the bottom of the rung is the black majority who continue to be confronted by deep poverty, unemployment and inequality,. President Jacob Zuma said at the release of the results. .Great strides have been made. However, much remains to be done to further improve the livelihoods of our people especially in terms of significant disparities that still exist between the rich and poor..
Under white segregationist rule, black South Africans were disadvantaged by poor education that confined many to unskilled, low-paying jobs. Zuma.s African National Congress has struggled to rectify the inequality gap since coming to power in 1994 even as it boosted access to electricity and water.
South Africa.s population increased 16 percent since the last census was conducted in 2001 and compares with 50.6 million estimated in mid-2011, the statistics agency said. About 9 percent of the population is of mixed race, 8.9 percent white and 2.5 percent Asian, it said.
Incomes for white households increased 88 percent to 365,134 rand in the past decade, the data shows.
quote: Income inequality still significant, income for black African group almost tripled in last decade.
PRETORIA – Census 2011 data released by StatsSA on Tuesday shows that the black African majority remains the worst affected by poverty and that income inequality remains a major issue.
It also shows, however, that if one looks at income growth, the group where growth has been the fastest over the last decade is in the black African category, growing at 169.12%. From an average income of R22 522 in 2001, this group now earns on average R60 613 per year.
According to the statistical release from StatsSA, if the income growth just remained on par with inflation over the ten-year period, growth should have been at 77.5% or, for this group, R39 976.
Whereas the white population of South Africa on average still earn multiples more than the black African category, their average income only grew at 88.38% over the last decade, just above the compound percentage of 77.5% to stay above inflation.
At an average of R365 134 per year, the average income for a South African in this group is still more than a R100 000 more than the closest other demographic group – Indians/Asians at R251 541 in 2011. (see table 1).
So as you see the pattern of the colonialist British who put the whites on top, Indians/Asians in the middle and blacks on the bottom... And the whites and the Asians earn 5-6 times what the average black South African does. It isn't even close.
quote: Eighteen years after the end of apartheid, South Africa is now judged to be one of the most unequal societies in the world and its 19 million children bear the brunt of the disconnect.
The Unicef report found that 1.4 million children live in homes that rely on often dirty streams for drinking water, 1.5 million have no flushing lavatories and 1.7 million live in shacks, with no proper bedding, cooking or washing facilities.
Four in 10 live in homes where no one is employed and, in cases of dire poverty, the figure rises to seven in 10.
A total of 330,000 children - and five million adults - are currently infected with HIV, and 40 per cent die from the pandemic annually.
Child support grants, introduced in 1997, now reach 10.3m children but another one million who are eligible do not yet receive them.
quote: Sandton is often cited as a materialistic centre and refuge of the white flight from the Johannesburg CBD. Following the launch of Sandton Magazine, the town was satirized in a tongue-in-cheek satirical news story by Hayibo.com[12] that was also published on the Sandton Magazine website. The headline comically read "Sandton magazine hailed as just what rich whites need." There is reference to the requirement of two wealthy young white people on the cover "to help frightened Sandtonians forget about Alexandra township next door." The spoof also uses the magazine's marketing slogan when "four Mozambicans wandered into the ballroom apparently in search of the good life in the great north." These Mozambicans are "tazered," a reference to the advanced crime-fighting technology in the suburb. The materialism is heightened with imaginary article headline "Botox your Botox: why your face can never be paralysed enough." The fears of a Zuma presidency are reiterated "Ten Zuma-proof off-shore investments you can hide from the taxman." The high rates of white emigration and fears post-2010 are also satirized "Likewise, should we be looking at Perth or London post-2010?." Ultimately, security and material items are cited as the solution to any problem in the country "We want to remind people that there is no problem this country can throw at you that you can't solve with electric fencing and a pedicure."
Former Sandton resident and author, Sarah Britten cites the town regularly in her book The Art of the South African Insult. She cites the popularity that the town also holds with the growing black middle-class "Empowerment kugels don't hang out in Soweto; they do lunch in Sandton" and quotes columnist Therese Owen's advice to former TV-personality Kedibone, "Now that you're no longer wanted as a continuity presenter on SABC1, go hang out in Sandton and catch yourself a BEE boy." She also references a commentator on Moneyweb, "Sandton is attractive to the schmucks of this world—get over it—$s don't buy class." "Africa's richest square mile" Maude Street adjacent to Sandton Convention Centre
The Sandton area is one of the most opulent in Johannesburg and South Africa, and therefore in Africa but not far away (only about 6 km) from Alexandra, one of the poorest former black townships.[citation needed] Sandton covers an area of approximately 156 km sq. while Alexandra is just over 8 km sq. It is estimated that the population of Alexandra is the same as that of Sandton itself.
Due to the shortage[dubious – discuss] of available land, the trend in new developments is to go skyward. This is evidenced by the new 140-metre tall Michelangelo Towers, which purports to offer Manhattan-style living in Johannesburg.[13] The new apartment block will be the fourth-tallest building in Johannesburg and local newspaper the Sunday Times reports that the top-selling penthouse apartment was sold for R28 million (around $4 million).
quote: Brookhouse is a Round Square co-educational day and boarding school for children aged 2 – 19, offering an adapted form of the British National Curriculum to Kenyan and international pupils. ......
There are no white schools in Kenya. Kenya does not have an apartheid system. Kenya has been independent since 1962, practising a western style democracy.
Kenya has elite classses. But these are Black people, Black billoniares, Black President, Black Generals, Black Air Marshalls, and a Muurish Flag! Like every other country, there are also poor kenyans.
The elites Kenyans send their children to schools like Brookehouse. LOL! I went to such school myself because I won a scholarship not because I was elite (mind you).
Read your own quote again:
quote: ...Brookhouse is a Round Square co-educational day and boarding school for children aged 2 – 19, offering an adapted form of the British National Curriculum to KENYAN and international pupils.
Homes for Sale in Kenya. Buy/Rent. My friends live around this neighbourhood..
lmao at this chump...
Posted by kikuyu22 (Member # 19561) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: South Africa has the largest wealth gap in the world and most of the population is in poverty. And since blacks are the majority of the population, that means that the majority of the people in poverty in South Africa and the rest of Africa are black. As a matter of fact, most Africans period live in poverty, not just in Africa but around the world. So that is quite a few hundred million people. In America, blacks make up a large percentage of the poorest population even though they are a minority. Same in South America, Jamaica, Haiti, Central America and everywhere else. All of this is a legacy of historic white supremacy, colonialism and the slave trade.
quote: A government study has shown more than half of the people in South Africa live in poverty.
The survey, which is the latest to be conducted by the government's statistics agency but dates back to 2009, shows that South Africa is one of the most unequal countries in the world.
And the first census done in a decade indicates that white South Africans still take home six times more pay than their black compatriots - nearly two decades after the end of apartheid.
The reports come at a difficult time for the South African president, Jacob Zuma, who is fighting to be re-elected as leader of the ruling ANC party.
The outcome of that vote will determine who leads the party into the next election - and therefore who'll likely be the South African president until 2019.
The reports show the country's black middle class is growing fast. It's now the same size as the white South African middle class, helped by the country's employment laws which were drawn up to redress decades of inequality and unfairness by previous white regimes.
Dont let those numbers fool you. That middle class is just simply a bunch of wage slaves token negroes who are happy to get a bigger check from the same white slave master and colonist who formerly used their ancestors as dog food. As long as they get a check, whatever happened before doesn't matter....
And these slums didn't just get there yesterday. This is the ONLY place blacks were supposed to live at for the last 200 years. And this is no different from anywhere else in Africa or South America or the Carribean where black folks live at.
(And this was built by white people... claiming to help a one room shack, no electricity, running water, etc.... basically a tin shack/mud hut with a chalk board. And black folks STILL believe they really want to help them... after robbing them for over 200 years... LOL!)Kenyans should be embarrassed that they allow these people to pull such nonsense scams. As if Africans cant build their own one room mud hut/tin shack with a chalk board..... Seriously this isn't "help". They are supposed to be building real schools with electricity and everything else, but what do you expect when you turn the crook into your savior? Oh but that's right, this school and all these other schools are built just for that, to teach you how to love a white savior.... Jesus Christ. https://www.flickr.com/photos/starofhope/3882919580/
quote: Brookhouse is a Round Square co-educational day and boarding school for children aged 2 – 19, offering an adapted form of the British National Curriculum to Kenyan and international pupils. The pursuit of academic excellence is at the center of our educational philosophy and approach. Equally, as a global member of the Round Square association of schools worldwide, we believe that a school should foster courage, generosity, imagination, principle and resolve so that children emerge empowered with the skills and abilities to be the leaders and guardians of tomorrow’s world. We endeavour to provide the security and guidance necessary for children to achieve their potential in a friendly and supportive but academically rigorous atmosphere. As such we commit ourselves to the Round Square ethos by considering the six foundation pillars of Round Square as central to our holistic approach to education, augmenting our intrinsic commitment to academic excellence. The six pillars or IDEALS are: Internationalism; Democracy; Environment; Adventure; Leadership and Service.
Posted by kikuyu22 (Member # 19561) on :
quote:Originally posted by kikuyu22:
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: South Africa has the largest wealth gap in the world and most of the population is in poverty. And since blacks are the majority of the population, that means that the majority of the people in poverty in South Africa and the rest of Africa are black. As a matter of fact, most Africans period live in poverty, not just in Africa but around the world. So that is quite a few hundred million people. In America, blacks make up a large percentage of the poorest population even though they are a minority. Same in South America, Jamaica, Haiti, Central America and everywhere else. All of this is a legacy of historic white supremacy, colonialism and the slave trade.
quote: A government study has shown more than half of the people in South Africa live in poverty.
The survey, which is the latest to be conducted by the government's statistics agency but dates back to 2009, shows that South Africa is one of the most unequal countries in the world.
And the first census done in a decade indicates that white South Africans still take home six times more pay than their black compatriots - nearly two decades after the end of apartheid.
The reports come at a difficult time for the South African president, Jacob Zuma, who is fighting to be re-elected as leader of the ruling ANC party.
The outcome of that vote will determine who leads the party into the next election - and therefore who'll likely be the South African president until 2019.
The reports show the country's black middle class is growing fast. It's now the same size as the white South African middle class, helped by the country's employment laws which were drawn up to redress decades of inequality and unfairness by previous white regimes.
Dont let those numbers fool you. That middle class is just simply a bunch of wage slaves token negroes who are happy to get a bigger check from the same white slave master and colonist who formerly used their ancestors as dog food. As long as they get a check, whatever happened before doesn't matter....
And these slums didn't just get there yesterday. This is the ONLY place blacks were supposed to live at for the last 200 years. And this is no different from anywhere else in Africa or South America or the Carribean where black folks live at.
(And this was built by white people... claiming to help a one room shack, no electricity, running water, etc.... basically a tin shack/mud hut with a chalk board. And black folks STILL believe they really want to help them... after robbing them for over 200 years... LOL!)Kenyans should be embarrassed that they allow these people to pull such nonsense scams. As if Africans cant build their own one room mud hut/tin shack with a chalk board..... Seriously this isn't "help". They are supposed to be building real schools with electricity and everything else, but what do you expect when you turn the crook into your savior? Oh but that's right, this school and all these other schools are built just for that, to teach you how to love a white savior.... Jesus Christ. https://www.flickr.com/photos/starofhope/3882919580/
quote: Brookhouse is a Round Square co-educational day and boarding school for children aged 2 – 19, offering an adapted form of the British National Curriculum to Kenyan and international pupils. The pursuit of academic excellence is at the center of our educational philosophy and approach. Equally, as a global member of the Round Square association of schools worldwide, we believe that a school should foster courage, generosity, imagination, principle and resolve so that children emerge empowered with the skills and abilities to be the leaders and guardians of tomorrow’s world. We endeavour to provide the security and guidance necessary for children to achieve their potential in a friendly and supportive but academically rigorous atmosphere. As such we commit ourselves to the Round Square ethos by considering the six foundation pillars of Round Square as central to our holistic approach to education, augmenting our intrinsic commitment to academic excellence. The six pillars or IDEALS are: Internationalism; Democracy; Environment; Adventure; Leadership and Service.
DougM,I get the impression you have an agenda but its time for some truth-hold on! Brookehouse isn't whites only! Its among a number of high cost private schools dominated by black Kenyans. Kibera,til the early 80s was actually a lower class estate for artisans,tradesmen and poorer rural immigrants searching for such jobs. When the IMF/WB insisted on brutalitarian SAPs,which are slashed social spending and total removal of all subsidies a few years later the population exploded. More and more rural poor migrated in search of fewer and fewer Nairobi jobs leading to the Kibera of today. On the subject of housing how many white US middle class are now homeless living in their cars?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Doug M, behold and weep
Ordinary Nigerians at a function.
Do they look like they need anything from you and your cagotic cousins??
LMAO at this chump! Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote:Originally posted by kikuyu22:
quote:Originally posted by kikuyu22:
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: South Africa has the largest wealth gap in the world and most of the population is in poverty. And since blacks are the majority of the population, that means that the majority of the people in poverty in South Africa and the rest of Africa are black. As a matter of fact, most Africans period live in poverty, not just in Africa but around the world. So that is quite a few hundred million people. In America, blacks make up a large percentage of the poorest population even though they are a minority. Same in South America, Jamaica, Haiti, Central America and everywhere else. All of this is a legacy of historic white supremacy, colonialism and the slave trade.
quote: A government study has shown more than half of the people in South Africa live in poverty.
The survey, which is the latest to be conducted by the government's statistics agency but dates back to 2009, shows that South Africa is one of the most unequal countries in the world.
And the first census done in a decade indicates that white South Africans still take home six times more pay than their black compatriots - nearly two decades after the end of apartheid.
The reports come at a difficult time for the South African president, Jacob Zuma, who is fighting to be re-elected as leader of the ruling ANC party.
The outcome of that vote will determine who leads the party into the next election - and therefore who'll likely be the South African president until 2019.
The reports show the country's black middle class is growing fast. It's now the same size as the white South African middle class, helped by the country's employment laws which were drawn up to redress decades of inequality and unfairness by previous white regimes.
Dont let those numbers fool you. That middle class is just simply a bunch of wage slaves token negroes who are happy to get a bigger check from the same white slave master and colonist who formerly used their ancestors as dog food. As long as they get a check, whatever happened before doesn't matter....
And these slums didn't just get there yesterday. This is the ONLY place blacks were supposed to live at for the last 200 years. And this is no different from anywhere else in Africa or South America or the Carribean where black folks live at.
(And this was built by white people... claiming to help a one room shack, no electricity, running water, etc.... basically a tin shack/mud hut with a chalk board. And black folks STILL believe they really want to help them... after robbing them for over 200 years... LOL!)Kenyans should be embarrassed that they allow these people to pull such nonsense scams. As if Africans cant build their own one room mud hut/tin shack with a chalk board..... Seriously this isn't "help". They are supposed to be building real schools with electricity and everything else, but what do you expect when you turn the crook into your savior? Oh but that's right, this school and all these other schools are built just for that, to teach you how to love a white savior.... Jesus Christ. https://www.flickr.com/photos/starofhope/3882919580/
quote: Brookhouse is a Round Square co-educational day and boarding school for children aged 2 – 19, offering an adapted form of the British National Curriculum to Kenyan and international pupils. The pursuit of academic excellence is at the center of our educational philosophy and approach. Equally, as a global member of the Round Square association of schools worldwide, we believe that a school should foster courage, generosity, imagination, principle and resolve so that children emerge empowered with the skills and abilities to be the leaders and guardians of tomorrow’s world. We endeavour to provide the security and guidance necessary for children to achieve their potential in a friendly and supportive but academically rigorous atmosphere. As such we commit ourselves to the Round Square ethos by considering the six foundation pillars of Round Square as central to our holistic approach to education, augmenting our intrinsic commitment to academic excellence. The six pillars or IDEALS are: Internationalism; Democracy; Environment; Adventure; Leadership and Service.
DougM,I get the impression you have an agenda but its time for some truth-hold on! Brookehouse isn't whites only! Its among a number of high cost private schools dominated by black Kenyans. Kibera,til the early 80s was actually a lower class estate for artisans,tradesmen and poorer rural immigrants searching for such jobs. When the IMF/WB insisted on brutalitarian SAPs,which are slashed social spending and total removal of all subsidies a few years later the population exploded. More and more rural poor migrated in search of fewer and fewer Nairobi jobs leading to the Kibera of today. On the subject of housing how many white US middle class are now homeless living in their cars?
Man, some people are just determined to be stupid and I mean stupid. After 200 years of colonization and racism AROUND THE WORLD these fools still sit up here and want to say that the fact that blacks are on the bottom EVERYWHERE is somehow NATURAL. Why on earth are black folks so DAMNED DESPERATE to pretend not to be the chicken that is for dinner? And you talk about Osiris and don't know what it means......
Anyway, KIBERA SLUM was created by the British in Kenya the same way ALL THE SLUMS IN AFRICA were created, because they kicked the Africans OFF their lands and forced them to live in SQUATTER CAMPS on the outskirts of the major SEGREGATED CITIES built by the whites. This is what happened in South Africa, Kenya, Uganda, Zimbabwe and everywhere else that white folks colonized. Do you SERIOUSLY think that these SHANTY TOWNS just came about on their own recently? Hell no.
I wish black people would read some books and stop trying to pretend SO DAMNED HARD that they are "equal" to everybody else when they are the ones on the very bottom in most cases.
quote: The legacy of segregation in Nairobi’s zoning
October 10 2007: In seeking solutions to planning challenges, Nairobi’s residents should remain aware that many of the zoning regulations we regard as normal were deliberately designed to perpetuate extreme inequity under colonial rule. Further, after independence, the legacy of these policies continues.
During the early colonial period, Nairobi was based on the British concept of the garden city whose sprawl would be limited.
Under a segregationist administration, high-ranking government officials and other Europeans settled to the north and west of the city in areas such as Kileleshwa, Lavington and Westlands (Upper Nairobi) and on larger tracts of land in Karen, Kikuyu and Limuru.
Parklands, Pangani and Eastleigh as well as areas to the south were designated as “Asian”. Africans were relegated to the eastern side of the city in the neighbourhoods we now know as Shauri Moyo, Kaloleni, Bahati, Jericho and Dandora.
Under pressure from the influx of landless Africans from rural areas, the colonial government discouraged large-scale middle and low-income housing developments hoping to stem the flow. Consequently, between 1900 and 1920, almost all Africans in Nairobi were squatters.
Inhabitants of the older slums serviced the homes, farms and shops of the more affluent, often as day labourers. However, in 1923, Pumwani was established as an African location to accommodate migrants from the rural areas. .
What is striking about Nairobi is how stable our space allocation has remained despite the fact that its origins were distorted. According to the 1969 census, 73 per cent of Africans lived in Eastlands, 82 per cent of Asians in the Asian zones and 82 per cent of Europeans in former European settlement areas.
Over time, of course, better-educated and higher-income Africans, and many public officials, moved on to the more spacious parcels of Upper Nairobi. But the disproportionate consumption of urban space by the affluent remained.
As late as 1980, upper Nairobi supported only 2-25 people per hectare while Parklands, Eastleigh and Nairobi South, the historically Asian areas, had 30 to 40 people. Eastlands, by contrast, supported 50 to 300 people per hectare.
Meanwhile, following a growth spurt of 200 per cent between 1969 and 1979, slums supported densities of 1250 people per hectare which by 1992, had increased to 2000 people. Today, informal settlements with more than 55 percent of Nairobi’s population occupy just over five percent of its land.
And quiet as its kept, whites(british) and asians STILL CONTROL MOST of Kenya's economy, just like the British and Dutch STILL control South Africa's economy, including Zimbabwe and PRETTY MUCH MOST of the rest of Africa. But some clowns just are DESPERATE to try and pretend otherwise.
quote: In a feature story published Thursday, Daily Nation highlighted the complexity of the colonial legacy that exists in many African cities. While British colonists – John Ainsworth in particular – are recognised as the builders of Nairobi, the regime was premised on a highly exploitative relationship with locals.
As a chief administrator in the colonial government, Ainsworth was designated to build a town around the railway stop on the line from Mombasa to Kampala. What was once an ordinary railway stop is now the thriving city of Nairobi. Ainsworth, during his eight years in power, was certainly innovative, having successfully cleared much of the swamp on which the city is built, using Tasmanian Blue Gum trees that soaked up water while beautifying the town. He was undeniably successful in building a city where one did not previously exist.
However, Ainsworth pioneered the idea of segregation in the town plan of Nairobi, dividing the town into seven sections and demarcating 'native reserves.' Daily Nation contends: "in fact, Ainsworth was responsible for the initial demarcation of Nairobi, even though his idea of delineation would eventually lead scholars to identify colonial Kenya with an apartheid system of settlement and administration."
He demarcated "the Railway Centre, Indian Bazaar, Railway Quarters, European Business and Administration Centre, Dhobi Quarters, European Residential Areas, and the Military Barracks. Africans (apart from those working for the Railways) were left to fend for themselves on the east side of town. He did not even include them in the overall town plan, which goes some distance in explaining why that sector of the city now known as Eastlands is filled with sprawling, unplanned informal settlements."
Bottom line, the reason Africans live in shacks on the outskirts of big ultra rich white cities in Africa is because that is how the white folks wanted Africans to live, permanently. And the coon behind clown black face governments are only there to maintain the status quo and not change it. It is as obvious to anyone with eyes on their face but of course Africans love everybody but themselves and wont admit it.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Poor whites of Zimbabwe
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Doug you are obviously annoyed by the picture of your people in poverty.
Yet you call Black people slaves but your people are heading into a 1000 years of slavery each day.
Listening to you one would think Muurs are all destitute in Africa whereas your albino fathers are living it off.
That is a waaay off exaggeration. The elites class who control the world live it off from China to India. The poor are poor all over the world.
It is more than skin colour.
In Africa I have seen so-called whites begging on the streets.
In North America I have seen white people picking the trash from my garbage can. I can take pictures of them and post for you too.
Ofcourse there are Black riche in South Africa, Zambia, and all over Africa.
Michael Sata is the boss in Zambia. Here you start pissing your pants about the Deputy PM of Zambia, yet the overall boss is a Black Socialist.
What the heck are you rambling with your evil chants about poor black people? Cry for your white cagot trash brethrens ok? WE the Black people of this world are moving on into the great future.
Your types are closet Nazis who will go down to their 1000 years of slavery.
Muur riche Black folks of South Africa:
South African Black Shoe designers making millions of dollars in the fashion Industry. The powerful millionaire couple Phindi and Tshepo Kgaudi
Richard Maponya, millionaire businessman
Lebo Gunzala 27 year old multi-millionaire South Africa
Patrick Mosepe billionaire, South Africa
And Muur and Muur......
Do white people have a future in South Africa?
By John Simpson World Affairs Editor, BBC News
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Albinos in Africa are facing a crisis of diminishment. Their numbers are falling in dire rates.
Soon they will become extinct in Africa, like the Dodos of Madagascar which they made extinct.
Doug M you focking cagot , read and quake....
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Now back to reality. Here are the White Dodos of Africa:
All of these suburbs and cities were strictly segregated by race: whites, asians, coloreds then blacks on the bottom. And all around these suburbs and cities are the shanty towns for the black workers: maids, landscapers, laborers, farmhands, etc.
Edgecombe is basically a sugar plantation town.
quote: Mount Edgecombe is a sugar-growing town in KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa, situated just north of Durban, which forms part of eThekwini, the Greater Durban Metropolitan. It is famous for resorts and golf.
Its name is derived from the Earl of Mount Edgecombe in Cornwall, United Kingdom.
They live in country clubs and places called Champagne valley but they are dodos and going extinct. But the blacks live in shacks in their own country. Make no mistake, this wealth gap is by design and there is no way that this gap will go away without Africans actually TAKING BACK what is theirs. No amount of fake love of whites will change this. Love starts within and for self not for everyone else when everyone else is against you.
Royal Natal national park.... a white campground not much unlike Yosimite national park in the U.S. In fact South Africa wants to be like the U.S. The only difference is the black folks are the majority but you wouldn't know it. https://www.flickr.com/photos/39836942@N04/6264518574/
And what you see here is no different than the way black folks live anywhere else on the planet in Euro dominated societies. Whites on the top, Asians and others in between and blacks on the bottom all by design within the global corporate FAKE model of diversity, based on Eugenics.
Now these same folks who built these fabulous country clubs and resorts for themselves want you to believe that they will eventually build the same for black folks. Let me give you a clue. It isn't going to happen. Black folks have to build these things for themselves and NOBODY ELSE is going to help them. But because of the missionaries and educational system which teaches black folks how they should love the colonial white system, black folks believe in this nonsense and love their former oppressors, which also is by design.
quote: Since the decade of independence in the 1960s, much has been written about how best to facilitate nation-building in Africa after European colonization. As education is generally regarded as the key to national development, proposals for nation building have included the reform of inherited educational systems which were erected to maintain the colonial social order and which continue to function to foster neo-colonial dependency, promote elitism, and inadequately prepare individuals for living successfully in their communities and in a rapidly changing world. Paramount among these reform proposals has been the call to re-appropriate African indigenous educational traditions that were marginalized or dismantled during colonial rule in Africa. Proponents of this call over the last forty years have included: Kofi Busia, who criticized colonial schooling in Ghana for separating students from the life and needs of their community; Ali Mazrui, who links contemporary education in Africa with a rural-urban divide; and more recently Elleni Tedla and Apollo Rhomire who describe both colonial and postcolonial education as perpetuating cultural and intellectual servitude and the devaluation of traditional African cultures.[1] But precisely how can African traditions be re-appropriated for education that is grounded in the continent's past while at the same time meeting the demands of living successfully in postcolonial and global contexts today?
In this article I attempt to address this question in the case of Sierra Leone. I draw creatively on the Akan concept of Sankofa (meaning "return to the past to move forward") and examples from the Mende ethnic group to re-think and re-appropriate some traditional African educational values and social organizations that were neglected or dismantled during the height of British colonial administration in Sierra Leone. This period is generally understood as spanning the late nineteenth century until the late 1950s when, for reasons of military and economic exploitation, British imperial grip on her African colonies tightened and education (curriculum and pedagogy) assumed greater significance as an arsenal in this exploitation. Sierra Leone and the Mende are the very country and ethnic group that comprised the cornerstone of British educational experimentation in Africa.
Sierra Leone was founded as a settlement for freed slaves in 1787 after the demise of legal slave trading. It was taken over as a British crown colony in 1808 but British control did not extend into the hinterland of the country until the closing years of the nineteenth century when a Protectorate was declared in Sierra Leone in 1896. Thereafter formal education, which had been left largely to Christian mission societies, was taken over by the colonial civil government and used as a systematic and measurable tool for economic exploitation, reduction of local resistance to white rule, transformation of indigenous outlooks, and meeting the limited needs of the colonial civil service. Unlike French colonial education in West Africa, total assimilation of the African "natives" does not stand out in the historical literature as an active goal of British colonial education in West Africa.[2] However, British effort to transform native outlook through "the provision of gradual means of developing a higher form of civilization," meant that many indigenous forms of education in the West African colonies were dismantled or allowed to lapse through neglect and marginalization.[3] This was the case among the Mende who comprised the largest indigenous group in Sierra Leone. According to Caroline Bledsoe, the proximity of Mende speakers to the coast as well as their distance from the Islamic influences of the North made them logical targets of educational and missioning efforts.[4] Bledsoe writes that these efforts sometimes involved the physical removal of Mende children from their families and placing them in boarding schools to increase geographical access to school but also to decrease the 'contaminating' influence of parents and elders on the children. Education, whether for the 'altruistic purposes' of the missionaries or the naked exploitative strategies of the colonial administration, was used to engineer the production of the minds and souls upon which to erect a new society in Sierra Leone. In the process, Mende indigenous educational traditions were rendered meaningless.
But your time done! Ain't nothing you can do about it. Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
LOL! Kenya economy:
quote:The food and beverage team posing for you on one of their hotel inspection rounds! They really want to make sure the outlets are just great for when we open!
And look what role the blacks serve? Servants and menial laborers.....
MUUR TO COME....
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Poverty in America
Tears of the innocents:
Dating Jesus
Thirst amidst plenty
Lonliness and alienation
MUURS to come cagot Doug, Muurz are coming....
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
The land of plenty is empty!
Cagots your time is done...
Babylon the great whore is fallen!
While high unemployment percentages persistently increase, living costs continue to rise, and those who still maintain employment face salary and wage cuts; nearly half of Americans are now officially rank as “poor” or “low-income”, according to the Associated Press.
New units of measurements recently implemented by the Census Bureau classify about 97.3 million Americans as low-income, defined as households earning up to twice the poverty level. They and the 49.1 million who fall below the poverty line make up 48 percent of the U.S. population.
About 4 million more people fall into the poor or low-income categories than did in 2009. Sheldon Danziger, a poverty specialist at the University of Michigan, said the numbers are likely to rise as more people fall out of the middle class but “are considered too ‘rich’ to qualify” for social safety-net programs.
Statistics like these prove the ever increasing need for charitable organizations and the impact the can make on society as a whole, with the help of the 50% of Americans who are still able to make a decent living and for themselves and their family members.
Lioness sorry but the above read like Bullsh!!t Jamaica and Japan is almost even in the amount of folks below the poverty line?? and where in the hell is Barbados, Bermuda and the Bahamas and what about the good ol US Of A
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
USA is 123
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
As it stands today, prophesy is being fulfilled. Europe is falling, America is falling, Africa, Latin America and Asia are on the rise:
quote: Matthew 20:16 "So the last will be first, and the first will be last."
Times are getting tougher in America, America “the beautiful” – By Oguejiofo Annu
America the beautiful
Be very afraid America, be very afraid!
For you had saith to yourself, I sit as a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Therefore shall your plagues come in one day, debts, and mourning, and famine…
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: blah blah blah....
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Ohh boy. Talk about denial. I post pictures of Africans slaving for other folks as the basis of built in and systematic poverty and these clowns talk about Europe and Japan as if that has anything to do with what is going on in Africa or Jamaica..... LOL! But ignore the fact that African countries make up most of the countries at the top of the list.
And yes the percentages on this chart are meaningless because the way the poverty index is calculated is totally different from country to country. For example the poverty index in Japan is any family living below 17,000 yen a year. Whereas in Jamaica that is for people living below $2.00 a day, which equates to less than $730 a year. People in poverty in the U.S. are those making less than $12,000 a year. By U.S. standards that is pretty bad off, but compared to Jamaica and other countries that is almost rich.
For example, most people in Jamaica or Africa who are in poverty don't have infrastructure. They live in Shacks. Electricity and Gas don't even exist. Compare that with people in America who probably live in some sort of housing and have gas and electricity and infrastructure. That doesn't compare to the poverty in most places in Africa.
Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
Haiti being the second poorest country in the world is a big lie.Those Western media people hate Haiti so much.How can a country ravage by war like Aghanistan be richer then Haiti.Haiti is an inequal country not a poor country.
There is a large Haitian diaspora community in the USA, Canada and France sending money and traveling in Haiti.Some of those diaspora people are succesful professional.There are many millionaire businessman and politician in Haiti.A farmer may not have cash money but they dont pay bill and grow their own food.Classify the farmer as poor doesnt make sene.
Charity and poverty is a billion dollar business.Haitian and other country politician and white own ONG know the more you exagerate the poverty of a country the more money you will raise.Those ONG people are living like King with Harem in luxurious neighborhood in Haiti.There are poverty in Haiti due to a large population, selfishness of rich people and a lack of USA investment.The poor Haitian need help from charity .Instead of denigrate the Haitian people why dont Western country invest money there to create factories like they did in China.Haiti being the second poorest country of the world is laughable.
Humanity want Africa and Latin America to rise. Western countries(white) are very rich and technologicaly advance but they are in moral decline.We need Wall Street like stock market and Fortune 500 corporations in some developed African coountries in order for the worldwide black diaspora to invest.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote:Originally posted by mena7: Haiti being the second poorest country in the world is a big lie.Those Western media people hate Haiti so much.How can a country ravage by war like Aghanistan be richer then Haiti.Haiti is an inequal country not a poor country.
There is a large Haitian diaspora community in the USA, Canada and France sending money and traveling in Haiti.Some of those diaspora people are succesful professional.There are many millionaire businessman and politician in Haiti.A farmer may not have cash money but they dont pay bill and grow their own food.Classify the farmer as poor doesnt make sene.
Charity and poverty is a billion dollar business.Haitian and other country politician and white own ONG know the more you exagerate the poverty of a country the more money you will raise.Those ONG people are living like King with Harem in luxurious neighborhood in Haiti.There are poverty in Haiti due to a large population, selfishness of rich people and a lack of USA investment.The poor Haitian need help from charity .Instead of denigrate the Haitian people why dont Western country invest money there to create factories like they did in China.Haiti being the second poorest country of the world is laughable.
Humanity want Africa and Latin America to rise. Western countries(white) are very rich and technologicaly advance but they are in moral decline.We need Wall Street like stock market and Fortune 500 corporations in some developed African coountries in order for the worldwide black diaspora to invest.
Haiti is often labeled as the poorest country in the western hemisphere. That may or may not be correct but don't hold your breath waiting for white saviors to change the situation. They won't and they are the capitalists causing the problem in the first place along with their mulatto elite subjugating their own people.
You cannot be a capitalist if you own or control no land, resources, industry or CAPITAL. Just having a job does not make you a capitalist. It makes you someone who at the very least acknowledges the need to work in order to eat. But that does not make you a true capitalist. The capitalists are the ones who enslaved Africans, colonized Africa and devastated many parts of the planet.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Ohh boy. Talk about denial. I post pictures of Africans slaving for other folks as the basis of built in and systematic poverty and these clowns talk about Europe and Japan as if that has anything to do with what is going on in Africa or Jamaica..... LOL! blah....
blah..blah..blah..
For example, most people in Jamaica or Africa who are in poverty don't have infrastructure. They live in Shacks. Electricity and Gas don't even exist. Compare that with people in America who probably live in some sort of housing and have gas and electricity and infrastructure. That doesn't compare to the poverty in most places in Africa.
pink boy, what we ah showed you is that a tiny elite is ruling mankind and immiserating the life of every one Americans, British, Africans.
Poverty is the problem of mankind as a whole not Africa.
The suffering masses of China and India far out number the suffering masses in Africa.
In America and England the people are so hopeless and dismayed, with their life, suicide has become a most welcome escape.
If you are poor in the western country, you go hungry and cold, and desperate.
The so-called poor in Africa have the sunshine, they have culture, they have the abundant organic foods of Africa, they have time on their hands because their populations are growing.
The west is dying off. Economically, militarily, and population wise.
Babylon has fallen! Only the cold grave awaits your pink asses now!
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Black folks shouldn't be mad at anything or stand up for their rights to their land in Africa and their mines and their resources. So now we are all brothers and black folks and white folks are suffering equally, so the black folks don't need to take back the mines and wealth that is rightfully theirs now huh?
Black folks aren't broke and on the bottom of the totem pole world wide.
Sure. All those white folks living in those luxury country clubs and resorts in Africa are REALLY BLACK FOLKS..... And the people living in the tin shacks are really white. LOL!!!!
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Ohh boy. Talk about denial. I post pictures of Africans slaving for other folks as the basis of built in and systematic poverty and these clowns talk about Europe and Japan as if that has anything to do with what is going on in Africa or Jamaica..... LOL! But ignore the fact that African countries make up most of the countries at the top of the list.
Nobody is ignoring that, I put up the chart because of it, brada noticed the Jamaica, Japan thing
quote:Originally posted by Doug M:
And yes the percentages on this chart are meaningless because the way the poverty index is calculated is totally different from country to country. For example the poverty index in Japan is any family living below 17,000 yen a year. Whereas in Jamaica that is for people living below $2.00 a day, which equates to less than $730 a year. People in poverty in the U.S. are those making less than $12,000 a year. By U.S. standards that is pretty bad off, but compared to Jamaica and other countries that is almost rich.
You can't say the chart is entirely menaingless but I would like to see a list of countries where a more consistent system is used to assess "poverty"
Poverty" defined as an economic condition of lacking both money and basic necessities needed to successfully live, such as food, water, education, healthcare, and shelter. There are many working definitions of "poverty," with considerable debate on how to best define the term. Lack of income security, economic stability and the predictability of one's continued means to meet basic needs all serve as absolute indicators of poverty. Poverty may therefore also be defined as the economic condition of lacking predictable and stable means of meeting basic life needs.
The first table refers to the lists of countries by the percentage of their population with an income of less than 1.25, and less than 2, US dollars per day. The sourced data refers to the most recent year available during the period 1992-2011. The second table lists countries by the percentage of the population living below the national poverty line — the poverty line deemed appropriate for a country by its authorities. National estimates are based on population-weighted subgroup estimates from household surveys. Definitions of the poverty line may vary considerably among nations. For example, rich nations generally employ more generous standards of poverty than poor nations. Thus, the numbers are not strictly comparable among countries.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M:
For example, most people in Jamaica or Africa who are in poverty don't have infrastructure. They live in Shacks. Electricity and Gas don't even exist. Compare that with people in America who probably live in some sort of housing and have gas and electricity and infrastructure. That doesn't compare to the poverty in most places in Africa.
One could argue that human beings who have been living for hundreds of thousands of years without electricity, gas, central heating, vaccines, anti-biotics, central heating, cars, telephones, computers, etc - acquired these things due to a very capitalistic industrial revolution. Not that that justifies the exploitation that went along with it but is something to consider
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:Originally posted by kikuyu22:
quote:Originally posted by kikuyu22:
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: South Africa has the largest wealth gap in the world and most of the population is in poverty. And since blacks are the majority of the population, that means that the majority of the people in poverty in South Africa and the rest of Africa are black. As a matter of fact, most Africans period live in poverty, not just in Africa but around the world. So that is quite a few hundred million people. In America, blacks make up a large percentage of the poorest population even though they are a minority. Same in South America, Jamaica, Haiti, Central America and everywhere else. All of this is a legacy of historic white supremacy, colonialism and the slave trade.
quote: A government study has shown more than half of the people in South Africa live in poverty.
The survey, which is the latest to be conducted by the government's statistics agency but dates back to 2009, shows that South Africa is one of the most unequal countries in the world.
And the first census done in a decade indicates that white South Africans still take home six times more pay than their black compatriots - nearly two decades after the end of apartheid.
The reports come at a difficult time for the South African president, Jacob Zuma, who is fighting to be re-elected as leader of the ruling ANC party.
The outcome of that vote will determine who leads the party into the next election - and therefore who'll likely be the South African president until 2019.
The reports show the country's black middle class is growing fast. It's now the same size as the white South African middle class, helped by the country's employment laws which were drawn up to redress decades of inequality and unfairness by previous white regimes.
Dont let those numbers fool you. That middle class is just simply a bunch of wage slaves token negroes who are happy to get a bigger check from the same white slave master and colonist who formerly used their ancestors as dog food. As long as they get a check, whatever happened before doesn't matter....
And these slums didn't just get there yesterday. This is the ONLY place blacks were supposed to live at for the last 200 years. And this is no different from anywhere else in Africa or South America or the Carribean where black folks live at.
(And this was built by white people... claiming to help a one room shack, no electricity, running water, etc.... basically a tin shack/mud hut with a chalk board. And black folks STILL believe they really want to help them... after robbing them for over 200 years... LOL!)Kenyans should be embarrassed that they allow these people to pull such nonsense scams. As if Africans cant build their own one room mud hut/tin shack with a chalk board..... Seriously this isn't "help". They are supposed to be building real schools with electricity and everything else, but what do you expect when you turn the crook into your savior? Oh but that's right, this school and all these other schools are built just for that, to teach you how to love a white savior.... Jesus Christ. https://www.flickr.com/photos/starofhope/3882919580/
quote: Brookhouse is a Round Square co-educational day and boarding school for children aged 2 – 19, offering an adapted form of the British National Curriculum to Kenyan and international pupils. The pursuit of academic excellence is at the center of our educational philosophy and approach. Equally, as a global member of the Round Square association of schools worldwide, we believe that a school should foster courage, generosity, imagination, principle and resolve so that children emerge empowered with the skills and abilities to be the leaders and guardians of tomorrow’s world. We endeavour to provide the security and guidance necessary for children to achieve their potential in a friendly and supportive but academically rigorous atmosphere. As such we commit ourselves to the Round Square ethos by considering the six foundation pillars of Round Square as central to our holistic approach to education, augmenting our intrinsic commitment to academic excellence. The six pillars or IDEALS are: Internationalism; Democracy; Environment; Adventure; Leadership and Service.
DougM,I get the impression you have an agenda but its time for some truth-hold on! Brookehouse isn't whites only! Its among a number of high cost private schools dominated by black Kenyans. Kibera,til the early 80s was actually a lower class estate for artisans,tradesmen and poorer rural immigrants searching for such jobs. When the IMF/WB insisted on brutalitarian SAPs,which are slashed social spending and total removal of all subsidies a few years later the population exploded. More and more rural poor migrated in search of fewer and fewer Nairobi jobs leading to the Kibera of today. On the subject of housing how many white US middle class are now homeless living in their cars?
Man, some people are just determined to be stupid and I mean stupid. After 200 years of colonization and racism AROUND THE WORLD these fools still sit up here and want to say that the fact that blacks are on the bottom EVERYWHERE is somehow NATURAL. Why on earth are black folks so DAMNED DESPERATE to pretend not to be the chicken that is for dinner? And you talk about Osiris and don't know what it means......
Anyway, KIBERA SLUM was created by the British in Kenya the same way ALL THE SLUMS IN AFRICA were created, because they kicked the Africans OFF their lands and forced them to live in SQUATTER CAMPS on the outskirts of the major SEGREGATED CITIES built by the whites. This is what happened in South Africa, Kenya, Uganda, Zimbabwe and everywhere else that white folks colonized. Do you SERIOUSLY think that these SHANTY TOWNS just came about on their own recently? Hell no.
I wish black people would read some books and stop trying to pretend SO DAMNED HARD that they are "equal" to everybody else when they are the ones on the very bottom in most cases.
quote: The legacy of segregation in Nairobi’s zoning
October 10 2007: In seeking solutions to planning challenges, Nairobi’s residents should remain aware that many of the zoning regulations we regard as normal were deliberately designed to perpetuate extreme inequity under colonial rule. Further, after independence, the legacy of these policies continues.
During the early colonial period, Nairobi was based on the British concept of the garden city whose sprawl would be limited.
Under a segregationist administration, high-ranking government officials and other Europeans settled to the north and west of the city in areas such as Kileleshwa, Lavington and Westlands (Upper Nairobi) and on larger tracts of land in Karen, Kikuyu and Limuru.
Parklands, Pangani and Eastleigh as well as areas to the south were designated as “Asian”. Africans were relegated to the eastern side of the city in the neighbourhoods we now know as Shauri Moyo, Kaloleni, Bahati, Jericho and Dandora.
Under pressure from the influx of landless Africans from rural areas, the colonial government discouraged large-scale middle and low-income housing developments hoping to stem the flow. Consequently, between 1900 and 1920, almost all Africans in Nairobi were squatters.
Inhabitants of the older slums serviced the homes, farms and shops of the more affluent, often as day labourers. However, in 1923, Pumwani was established as an African location to accommodate migrants from the rural areas. .
What is striking about Nairobi is how stable our space allocation has remained despite the fact that its origins were distorted. According to the 1969 census, 73 per cent of Africans lived in Eastlands, 82 per cent of Asians in the Asian zones and 82 per cent of Europeans in former European settlement areas.
Over time, of course, better-educated and higher-income Africans, and many public officials, moved on to the more spacious parcels of Upper Nairobi. But the disproportionate consumption of urban space by the affluent remained.
As late as 1980, upper Nairobi supported only 2-25 people per hectare while Parklands, Eastleigh and Nairobi South, the historically Asian areas, had 30 to 40 people. Eastlands, by contrast, supported 50 to 300 people per hectare.
Meanwhile, following a growth spurt of 200 per cent between 1969 and 1979, slums supported densities of 1250 people per hectare which by 1992, had increased to 2000 people. Today, informal settlements with more than 55 percent of Nairobi’s population occupy just over five percent of its land.
And quiet as its kept, whites(british) and asians STILL CONTROL MOST of Kenya's economy, just like the British and Dutch STILL control South Africa's economy, including Zimbabwe and PRETTY MUCH MOST of the rest of Africa. But some clowns just are DESPERATE to try and pretend otherwise.
quote: In a feature story published Thursday, Daily Nation highlighted the complexity of the colonial legacy that exists in many African cities. While British colonists – John Ainsworth in particular – are recognised as the builders of Nairobi, the regime was premised on a highly exploitative relationship with locals.
As a chief administrator in the colonial government, Ainsworth was designated to build a town around the railway stop on the line from Mombasa to Kampala. What was once an ordinary railway stop is now the thriving city of Nairobi. Ainsworth, during his eight years in power, was certainly innovative, having successfully cleared much of the swamp on which the city is built, using Tasmanian Blue Gum trees that soaked up water while beautifying the town. He was undeniably successful in building a city where one did not previously exist.
However, Ainsworth pioneered the idea of segregation in the town plan of Nairobi, dividing the town into seven sections and demarcating 'native reserves.' Daily Nation contends: "in fact, Ainsworth was responsible for the initial demarcation of Nairobi, even though his idea of delineation would eventually lead scholars to identify colonial Kenya with an apartheid system of settlement and administration."
He demarcated "the Railway Centre, Indian Bazaar, Railway Quarters, European Business and Administration Centre, Dhobi Quarters, European Residential Areas, and the Military Barracks. Africans (apart from those working for the Railways) were left to fend for themselves on the east side of town. He did not even include them in the overall town plan, which goes some distance in explaining why that sector of the city now known as Eastlands is filled with sprawling, unplanned informal settlements."
Bottom line, the reason Africans live in shacks on the outskirts of big ultra rich white cities in Africa is because that is how the white folks wanted Africans to live, permanently. And the coon behind clown black face governments are only there to maintain the status quo and not change it. It is as obvious to anyone with eyes on their face but of course Africans love everybody but themselves and wont admit it.
Uganda,Columbia and Ecuador HAVE NIL SMALL SCALE FLOWER FARMER CONTRIBUTION. Not all large scale farmers are white,btw I know several locals.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Miserable Alsatian Dog
Yes indeed. Humanity is one blood originally from the one Muurish Global Nation.
It ain't posturing. It is about doing.
What have your miserable Dog ass done for Africans or Muurs other than to take secret gratification in their supposed poverty and wax lyrical about fake statistics.
We gonna take it to the revolutionary high street now.
Pay attention. This is Joe Slovo South African Anti-Apartheid Hero. He gave his entire life to the destruction of apartheid. Should I hate him or diss him because his skin is pale?:
quote: No matter what vision one has of South Africa, the first thing that must be done is to destroy racism. Joe Slovo
quote:It's not difficult in South Africa for the ordinary person to see the link between capitalism and racist exploitation, and when one sees the link one immediately thinks in terms of a socialist alternative. Joe Slovo
Again I ask you Dog, what has your miserable Dog ass done for Africa?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Alsatian Dog
What has your dog-bitch ass ever done for a Muur?
Read Muurz:
Date: 10 November, 1989
Three White members of the African National Congress (ANC) were sentenced to long prison terms after being convicted on 32 charges of terrorism, including bomb and arson attacks against military personnel, political party offices and electricity pylons. Damian de Lange and Ian Robertson received 25 years and 20 years respectively whereas Susan Donelly, a British citizen received 18 years.
Source:
Keesing's Record of World Events, News Digest for October 1993, P 37033.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
MUURZ!
Marion Sparg was one of the few white women to join Umkhonto we Sizwe (MK), the armed wing of the African National Congress during South Africa's apartheid era.[1] A Sunday Times journalist, she was prompted into action after 32 ANC members and 19 civilians were killed by the South African Defence Force in an attack on Maseru, Lesotho. She would spend the years between 1981 and 1986 in exile where she received training in guerrilla warfare and worked in the ANC's Communication Department on a publication named Voice of Women and thereafter joined the Special Operations Division of Umkhonto We Sizwe.
In 1986 she was sentenced to 25 years' imprisonment on charges of treason, arson and attempted arson. Pleading guilty to all charges, she admitted planting and exploding limpet mines at Johannesburg's notorious police headquarters, John Vorster Square, and also at Cambridge Police Station in East London.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Miserable Alsatian Dog
Yes indeed. Humanity is one blood originally from the one Muurish Global Nation.
It ain't posturing. It is about doing.
What have your miserable Dog ass done for Africans or Muurs other than to take secret gratification in their supposed poverty and wax lyrical about fake statistics.
We gonna take it to the revolutionary high street now.
Pay attention. This is Joe Slovo South African Anti-Apartheid Hero. He gave his entire life to the destruction of apartheid. Should I hate him or diss him because his skin is pale?:
quote: No matter what vision one has of South Africa, the first thing that must be done is to destroy racism. Joe Slovo
quote:It's not difficult in South Africa for the ordinary person to see the link between capitalism and racist exploitation, and when one sees the link one immediately thinks in terms of a socialist alternative. Joe Slovo
Again I ask you Dog, what has your miserable Dog ass done for Africa?
The ANC was set up as a "rainbow coalition" for all people. It was not set up to take back the lands and resources that had been stolen from whites, even though the FREEDOM CHARTER claimed they wanted to. But in reality they wanted to have an ALLIANCE WITH WHITES AND INDIANS more so than freedom, economic control and independence for black folks. And many Jews and whites involved in the early ANC coalition and in fact, many whites, indians and jews were incarcerated with Mandela.
The point is these folks never intended to take any land back from anyone. They just want to be part of a "rainbow nation" where everyone is happy and free.... except black folks who don't own or control anything.
And don't suggest that some white folks in the ANC automatically erases or replaces aparthied or colonialism across Africa or slavery which were systematic processes designed to redistribute wealth FROM black folks to whites. And that is why to this day blacks around the world have nothing. But they sit up and play this mind game with themselves that if they just "work a little harder" they will make it to the top. If that was the case they would have been on top 200 years ago when they were slaves working sun up to sun down. Such a mindset is a slave mindset not a freedom or independence mind set.
quote: The term was intended to encapsulate the unity of multi-culturalism and the coming-together of people of many different nations, in a country once identified with the strict division of white and black.
In a series of televised appearances, Tutu spoke of the 'Rainbow People of God'. As a cleric, this metaphor drew upon the Old Testament story of Noah's Flood, and its ensuing rainbow of peace. Within South African indigenous cultures, the rainbow is associated with hope and a bright future (as in Xhosa culture).
The secondary metaphor the rainbow allows is more political. Unlike the primary metaphor, the room for different cultural interpretations of the colour spectrum is slight. Whether the rainbow has Newton's seven colours, or five of the Nguni (i.e., Xhosa and Zulu) cosmology, the colours are not taken literally to represent particular cultural groups.
So that is what you got from your friends like Joe Slovo and others.
And the funniest thing is that now some of the biggest people pushing back against this nonsense is guess who?
quote: A CHAMPION of the One City campaign at the dawn of South Africa.s democracy, former DP councillor and now leader of the DA in Bhisho Bobby Stevenson says the novelty of the rainbow nation has worn off.
Stevenson was one of the main drivers of the campaign pushing for an agreement to phase out the all-white city council in 1991.
The ANC and DP had joined forces to dissolve the ethnic structures which were the white council, Ebhayi council, the coloured Northern Areas Management Committee and Malabar Management Committee, representing the Indian community.
.I was one of the main people pushing for the One City agreement. It was such a vibrant and exciting time to be part of history in the making,. Stevenson said.
.It was great being part of something that we were working towards. It was something I was very passionate about..
He was also part of Port Elizabeth.s Transitional Local Council, headed by former mayor Nceba Faku.
.There was a lot of political tension in the council, but it never got to a point where people were having a go at each other. There was also a fight back from administration officials, but they soon fell in line.
.The debates in council were done in good spirit and the members of the ANC then were strong and of high quality.
.There was that good feeling of a rainbow nation, which has now virtually evaporated..
Stevenson was the first councillor to raise a motion in the council to remove segregation laws at all beaches and pools in Port Elizabeth.
.From my side, there was a deep urgency to free PE from the scourge of apartheid, so I campaigned to get the beaches and pools open, as black, coloured and Indian people were not allowed on Hobie Beach,. he said.
Stevenson said local government was now in shambles. .You see cadre deployment, massive corruption, factionalism and infighting..
So like I said earlier in this thread, the whites are simply waiting in the wings biding their time and using the blacks as scapegoats for policies THE WHITES CREATED and very soon they will come out pretending to be progressive and promoting "hope and change". And of course some bonehead clowns will go for it and forget all about the redistribution of land and buy into this "rainbow nation" idea of everyone living free, except black folks. LOL.
quote: We, the DA staff and the DA provincial public representatives, are a caring, unified, goal orientated, skilled and high performing team. We, the team, will by assertive, constant and vigilant oversight and by promoting the open opportunity society make a difference and be a force for change, thus improving the lives of individuals and communities. We strive to be the core component of any political realignment by 2014.
This is the platform that the ANC is all about as represented by the Democratic Alliance:
quote: magine a society in which even a child born into the most desperate poverty can become a brain surgeon, a concert pianist or a sports hero.
Our dream for South Africa is of an open opportunity society in which every person is free, secure and equal, where everyone has the opportunity to improve the quality of his life and pursue her dreams, and in which every language and culture has equal respect and recognition.
This is the dream we will deliver – the South African dream of one nation, with one future, living together under the constitution in peace, security and prosperity, with opportunity and recognition for all the rainbow people.
The three components of the Open Opportunity Society for All
The term “Open Opportunity Society for All” brings together three key concepts:–
Individual freedom under the rule of law – an open society; Opportunity with responsibility – an opportunity society; and Full equality for all.
In doing so, it creates a fourth concept that underpins our vision of the proper relationship between individuals, the state and society in South Africa today. Our vision is grounded in the idea that every human being has a right to dignity. Human dignity is the foundational concept that informs our values and vision.
So everyone is equal and that broke ass black kid in a dirt hut school has the SAME opportunity as those white and asian kids in first class schools.... Sure. But enough nouveau middle class black folks will have bought into this crap (been bought off) so as to not fight against it. So the black folks can stay in the slums and shanties because they live in a free and equal society.....
quote: The Freedom Charter was the statement of core principles of the South African Congress Alliance, which consisted of the African National Congress and its allies - the South African Indian Congress, the South African Congress of Democrats and the Coloured People's Congress. It is characterized by its opening demand; "The People Shall Govern!"[1]
In 1955, the ANC sent out fifty thousand volunteers into townships and the countryside to collect 'freedom demands' from the people of South Africa. This system was designed to give all South Africans equal rights. Demands such as "Land to be given to all landless people", "Living wages and shorter hours of work", "Free and compulsory education, irrespective of colour, race or nationality" were synthesized into the final document by ANC leaders including Z.K. Mathews, Lionel 'Rusty' Bernstein and Alan Lipman (whose wife, Beata Lipman, hand-wrote the original Charter). The Charter was officially adopted on 26 June 1955 at a Congress of the People in Kliptown.[2][3] The meeting was attended by roughly three thousand delegates but was broken up by police on the second day, although by then the charter had been read in full. The crowd had shouted its approval of each section with cries of 'Afrika!' and 'Mayibuye!'[4] Nelson Mandela only escaped the police by disguising himself as a milkman, as his movements and interactions were restricted by banning orders at the time.[5]
The document is notable for its demand for and commitment to a non-racial South Africa, and this has remained the platform of the ANC. Members of the ANC with opposing Africanist views left the group after it adopted the charter, forming the Pan Africanist Congress. The charter also calls for democracy and human rights, land reform, labour rights, and nationalization. After the congress was denounced as treason, the South African government banned the ANC and arrested 156 activists, including Mandela who was imprisoned in 1962. However, the charter continued to circulate in the revolutionary underground and inspired a new generation of young militants in the 1980s.[4]
On 11 February 1990, Mandela was finally freed and the ANC came to power soon afterwards in May 1994. The new 'Constitution of South Africa' included in its text many of the demands called for in the Freedom Charter. Nearly all the enumerated concerns regarding equality of race and language were directly addressed in the constitution, although the document included nothing to the effect of the nationalization of industry or redistribution of land, both of which were specifically outlined in the charter.
quote: Recent visits by DA Shadow MEC for Education, Edmund van Vuuren, to various schools in the province again highlighted a lack of infrastructure and teachers. In most cases pleas from schools to the Department of Education have been unsuccessful.
http://www.dabhisho.org.za/2013/05/15/van-vuuren-highlights-plight-of-schools/ Oohh the poor black folks are in decrepit schools.... blah blah.... we need to do something.... blah blah.... But nothing ever gets done. In fact, they will probably close schools or privatize them..... But who set up this system of UNEQUAL education? Surely it wasn't the black politicians who have only been there 20 years? And how come there is no money and know how to build decent schools for black folks when SA has the most advanced economy on the planet? Could it be that it isnt SUPPOSED to work for black folks? Nahh. That can't be.
But we are all EQUAL so we shouldn't care about that.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Well somebody might say Mugabe has a better approach
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
It doesnt matter to alsatian dog. As long as he can sing about his fantasized African inferiority....
Fuching nazi dog!
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
So when have black people ever been Nazis dumb ass?
Please show me one case in history where black people have EVER gotten anything by teaching and promoting race hate and violence on a systematic national and cultural level?
There are none.
But I CAN show you NUMEROUS examples of black people being the VICTIMS of race hate and violence on a systematic level propagated by whites.
Like I said before, fake love for white folks is not the answer. Love for self is the answer. You cannot love anybody unless you love yourself first.
But of course the boneheads want you to believe that black folks standing up for themselves makes blacks racists.... It is blatant b.s. to make black folks feel guilty for standing up for the right thing and what is rightfully theirs. And unfortunately many folks go for this nonsense, because ZEEZUS said.... Actually Jesus said love yourself and respect the wisdom and light within yourself as that comes from God the creator. Jesus(whether he existed or not) never said love those that hate and do evil in the name of greed. NEVER. Not ONE TIME.
After 200 or more years of a systematic NATIONAL POLICY in South Africa (and everywhere else) to keep black folks on the bottom and out of power and not in control of land, resources or wealth, these CLOWNS sit here and want to tell black folks that they shouldn't actually WANT these things. Really? No. Black folks should just be happy to be "free" and poor and if somebody gives them a job then thank some god for giving you a blessing. Seriously. After all that job came as a result of raping your ancestors and leaving you broke in the first place. So how is that a blessing when in reality you should not have been living that way in the first place.
They DON'T want Africans to have a SYSTEMATIC POLICY of actually using their natural wealth, resources and labor to produce or build anything for themselves. What they want is for the black folks to love and believe in the SAME SYSTEM that has been exploiting them since it was created. They want them to believe in politicians who are on the payroll of the same folks who profited off of raping and exploiting black people. They want them to believe that "hope and change" is coming but in reality there is no "hope and change" unless you take back what was stolen and have a SYSTEMATIC POLICY to build, educate, employ and develop the black nation from the ground up. Now at the same time these folks are telling black folks to trust in their system which has NEVER EVER built anything for black folks, these same people have no problem creating systematic policies for building THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES and wealth. They are not sitting in dirt hut schools. Their children aren't dressed in rags. But they know black folks are dumb and will go for this nonsense.
And unfortunately the self hate programming has worked so well that the only violence you see is against other black folks. But never any large scale violence against whites.
quote: The looting of foreign-owned stores continued on Sunday night as Diepsloot residents sought to avenge the deaths two men killed in a shooting incident at a spaza shop. The spark might have been different but the outcome was similar to the violence, intimidation and theft seen last week in Sebokeng, raising the spectre of xenophobic attacks. By GREG NICOLSON.
A white bakkie parked outside a spaza shop in Diepsloot’s Extension 1 on Sunday evening. The passengers, Zimbabwean nationals, were musicians and had just come from a performance at the mall. Music was throbbing from the bakkie’s speakers and someone from across the street called out, wanting a copy of the CD. The amplifier let out a screeching sound as one of the attendants from the spaza shop, a Somali national, demanded the music be turned down. Then there was a bang.
Oriel Mashimbye was coming from his sister's house and was watching from a stall across the street. The man sitting in the bakkie's tray just sat there, he said. "You couldn’t tell he was shot." Anna Mashangani, who runs a nearby shop on JB Marks Street, wept as she recounted the story.
quote: n this instance, context is critical to understanding the significance of an activity, so the report begins with a snapshot of the socio-economic environment in which the project is situated. The students of Riversands live in Diepsloot, a sprawling, dusty, overcrowded township of more than 200,000 people. Very briefly, townships were created as a pillar of the apartheid government’s population control policy, dictating where people were permitted to live on the basis of colour. White areas typically enjoyed good infrastructure, service delivery and extremely vigilant policing; black areas were characterized by crime, high unemployment, poverty, poor or no access to basic services, substandard health care and education, and overcrowding. Although the ANC government has made a concerted effort to improve living standards in the townships, the reality is that life has changed very little for the vast majority of South Africans, particularly those who live in the poorest areas of townships, the squatter camps and shacklands.
quote: Nevertheless, for most of the expats I've met, the choice seems to come down to either Dainfern or Dainfern Valley, so I'll focus this post on those two. I briefly toyed with the idea of making a snazzy decision matrix outlining pros and cons in a very easy-to-view chart, but since I have no clue how to actually do tables in HTML and am prone to get sidetracked for two days trying to figure it out, I think I'll do what I always do, which is just ramble on, and hopefully you can build your own decision tree from my observations...
Dainfern seems to be THE place to be for expats. It is huge (1000+ houses), has an excellent safety record, and sits right on a golf course. If you're a serious golfer, there is no doubt Dainfern is where you should live, and even if you're not, you might want to take it up here where the rates are reasonable, the weather perfect year-round, and where you'll be looking for things to do on the weekend. If your kids are involved in sports and you like the convenience of them just hopping on their bikes to get there versus hours in traffic to cart them from one activity to the next, Dainfern once again is your address. In addition to the golf clubhouse (where they host weekly buffets and other social get-togethers) there is also the Pavilion with tennis courts and a soccer field as well as (I think) squash, volleyball, and ballet. The soccer club (Dainfern Football Club or DFC to be correct) was recently reorganized and new coaches were brought in and trained, so if your kids are already playing soccer and want to continue, it makes a lot of sense to move to Dainfern.
quote: Here We Are On Our Way to Phalaborwa, one of the many gates to enter Kruger Park. Suddenly, I can believe it: what I see is a castle. A castle in South Africa! Is this really? What am I supposed to discover next time. From time to times, you can find artifacts and statues and figurines that are sold by locals. This is the only way for them to earn money.
Flycatcher Castle is located in the Lowveld, perched on the edge of the Drakensburg escarpment, centrally situated in Mpumalanga. The accommodation consists of five individually decorated suites named after classical composers. Flycatcher Castle boasts with its breathtaking views and nearby attractions such as the Kruger National Park, God’s Window and the Three Rondawels. Places we will go very soon.
quote: Clarens is a small town on the borders of Lesotho in Free State South Africa - I was out there to work on a charity project for a local Aids Orphans Feeding Shelter. Clarens is an unusual but lovely place in the Drakensburg & Maluti Mountains on the edge of the Golden Gate National Park.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Meant to post this previously: An American expat in South Africa:
quote: In South Africa's not so distant past, the word 'island' would have immediately conjured up Robben Island off Cape Town, the prison for decades of Nelson Mandela and his fellow political prisoners during apartheid.
But in a country of very high levels of violent crime, with a murder rate around seven times that of the USA, other 'islands' are springing up inland - the gated and guarded residential estates which are becoming a refuge for the wealthy.
Gated communities are a form of living spreading widely in all continents, especially where the difference between rich and poor is greatest, but in South Africa with its history of apartheid and exclusion on racial grounds, the subject of privatisation of space and keeping people out is a particularly sensitive one.
Electrified fences
In Islands of Security for SAFM radio in Johannesburg, Sibahle Malinga visits Dainfern security estate in Johannesburg's northern suburbs, a gated community with a 7.5 km perimeter, protected by a high electrified double fence, guarded gateways, and armed security guards.
Sibahle's journey takes her to the nearby township of Diepsloot to find out how its residents feel about being outside the fence, and the outskirts of Soweto where a wealthy man living without high fences or gates describes how his feeling of security comes from being known by his neighbour
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: So when have black people ever been Nazis dumb ass?
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Alsatian Dog,
What have your Dog-bitch ass ever done for black people except to tell them that they are poor and more wretched than your genetically defective albino brothers.
Marc Washington exposed you many years back. You are a fake ass, faking black but laughing at us by making a false show of non-existent misery.
Marc W. made a presentation just for you Dog. You remember or do you want me to repost it?
Your sound, your interest, your mindless psycho-babble about black poverty and inferiority show that you are a sick pink ass dog.
For us Muurs we know that earth is one earth. There are rich and poor everywhere. Good and bad in every nation.
Our job is to tell historical truths not to spread falsehood of a fake Dog-invented defeatist mentality...
Away with you miserable Dog. You stink...go take a bath...
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
We recall too that the PAC(Pan African Congress) headed by Robert Mangaliso Sobukwe was efficiently sidelined in favour of the integrationist ANC headed by Mandela. Only the ANC was accorded any international credibility.
Steve Biko who founded the Black Consciousness Movement was murdered in prison as he was seen as an Africanist threat to the ANC.
Again: the wealth gap in SA[and Namibia too where the German settlers still hold on to their stolen lands] is the largest in the world.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: We recall too that the PAC(Pan African Congress) headed by Robert Mangaliso Sobukwe was efficiently sidelined in favour of the integrationist ANC headed by Mandela. Only the ANC was accorded any international credibility.
Steve Biko who founded the Black Consciousness Movement was murdered in prison as he was seen as an Africanist threat to the ANC.
Again: the wealth gap in SA[and Namibia too where the German settlers still hold on to their stolen lands] is the largest in the world.
Absolutely.
But truth be told there are many black folks around the world who are OK with the status quo and reflect a mentality similar to IronLion. That is real talk. Else, how on earth could black folks have been held down so long without traitors in the midst? So of course these clowns push this integrationist nonsense. That is the only reason they exist to begin with.
I mean you got folks today in South Africa seriously questioning BEE as being useful. Seriously. Black folks own next to nothing in their own country but some black folks SERIOUSLY question whether BEE is worthwhile. And they allow themselves to be told that it is "affirmative action" when white people have had 200 years of affirmative action at the expense of blacks.
Most black folks just want to go along to get along and not much more than that.... except if you step on Pookies shoes then it is war...
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: We recall too that the PAC(Pan African Congress) headed by Robert Mangaliso Sobukwe was efficiently sidelined in favour of the integrationist ANC headed by Mandela. Only the ANC was accorded any international credibility.
Steve Biko who founded the Black Consciousness Movement was murdered in prison as he was seen as an Africanist threat to the ANC.
Again: the wealth gap in SA[and Namibia too where the German settlers still hold on to their stolen lands] is the largest in the world.
brother lamin
You are a confused fool. These are your heros:
When these should be your real heros:
Until you get it, you will be blowing in the wind on every issue, cause you lack roots and culture. And for that you suffer and hunger.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Blacks actually engaging in Affirmative Action "debate" in south Africa:
quote: As the debate about affirmative action continues to rage, it has become increasingly apparent that few people are willing to acknowledge the extent of their own power and privilege. The discussion is being framed in absolutist terms: it benefits all or it benefits none. The truth, as it is with all policy implementation in South Africa, is far more complicated. However, what is not in doubt is the need for us to deepen our commitment to removing the barriers to employment of race, gender and class.
Which basically says that as long as the folks that used to use your people as dog food give you jobs and let you run nonprofits (which don't do anything) you are O.K.
quote: (CNN) -- More than two decades after the death of the systematic racial discrimination policy of apartheid, a community living southeast of South Africa's capital Pretoria is being accused of trying to keep its racist ideals alive.
White men clad in military uniforms stamped with an old South African flag guard the gates of the controversial settlement known as Kleinfontein.
All the signs within its boundaries are written in Afrikaans, the language that developed out of the Dutch dialect spoken by early colonizers and which is spoken by the town's 1,000 white inhabitants.
A bust of Hendrick Verwoerd, the assassinated prime minister considered the architect of apartheid, greets visitors upon entry.
"Kleinfontein is a cultural community," explains its spokeswoman Marisa Haasbroek, "if you are not an Afrikaaner you cannot live here." Afrikaaners are white South Africans of mostly Dutch descent. The private settlement has made headlines in recent weeks after it was exposed by a local newspaper. Haasbroek defends its existence saying residents simply want to live among their own kind.
The 50-year-old mother of two tells CNN she moved to Kleinfontein six years ago shortly after her car was stolen in the city center.
"I was just sick of crime," she says. "My parents-in-law were already living here and they told us Kleinfontein is safe," Haasbroek, her engineer husband and their children packed their belongings and moved to the "whites only" enclave.
Make no mistake, the job of the ANC is to face the wrath of the black population while the whites quietly reorganize themselves to reemerge as the "new saviors" of South Africa. As if they EVER did anything for the majority of South Africans. But to hear them tell it, it is all the black politicians fault that things are so bad. Not apartheid, not 200 years of racism and stealing. Nope. Nothing wrong with white folks. It is all the black mans fault. And black folks actually go for this nonsense.
In reality white folks want to just enjoy the land and wealth they stole in South Africa and be left alone with the blacks far away and isolated in slums. A few token negroes here an there is fine as long as they believe that white folks are good and gracious.... And of course the main ones who are most against blacks having ANY form of economic empowerment are primarily the British and other Europeans who set the system up to begin with.
quote: ANY discussion in South Africa about affirmative action and employment equity is fraught with danger: the emotional temperature rockets into the stratosphere and those involved are frequently reduced to such anger they become incoherent.
The London-based Economist doesn't need to be sensitive about the subject, though, and it isn't.
In its April 27 issue it called frankly: "Time to scrap affirmative action". It was prompted to review the subject after the US Supreme Court agreed to consider a case about a vote in the state of Michigan that banned affirmative action, "and will soon rule on whether the University of Texas's race-conscious admissions policies are lawful.
"The question in both cases is as simple as it is divisive: should government be colour-blind?"
In South Africa that's a question that can be dismissed out of hand. This country has been seized by the theatre of race and colour for hundreds of years: things aren't likely to change over the next decade or so. Besides, the African National Congress (ANC) isn't in power because of its brilliance as a government. It is there because it relies on demographics, just as the National Party relied on fear and tribal affiliation.
But it is worth looking at the ANC's policy document on affirmative action because in its very second paragraph it sums up exactly what is wrong about the manner in which this policy has been implemented: "If badly managed, it will simply redistribute resentment, damage the economy and destroy social peace."
quote: Rainbow goes black: South African press, social networking sites replete with anti-India racism; Even Gandhi not spared Durban: Fondly called as the Rainbow nation' for its amazaing diversity and tolerance, South Africa has witnessed series of anti-India comments and 'racist' articles warning South African Indians to vacate the country and major cities, where the community makes the largest minority group.
The .Guptagate., or the controversy erupted over unlawful behavior of influential Gupta family, who allegedly used Waterkloof Air base for landing planes carrying wedding guests, is believed to be a prime reason behind latest hateful verbal attacks against the Indian community.
In a prominent newspaper City Press, a columnist remarked, ."I penned this letter to you in the interests of educating, liberating and giving you a free, but stern, warning not to grandstand against an African person in the way you did to the traffic official who innocently mistook you for one of the Gupta brothers.
"Such an action is certain to attract severe African contempt. First and foremost, you are an Indian and, contrary to what you believe and what you perhaps have been taught, South Africa is an African country with its land in its totality and proportion rightfully belonging to its indigenous African people." The writer.s comments were directed against mayor of Kwazulu-Natal Afzur Rahman, who had complained against an African traffic cop after the latter asked him to leave South Africa.
.The traffic official was absolutely correct in reminding you that India is your home, and you should perhaps begin to embrace India as your home as we Africans embrace South Africa as our home, which we are more than willing to fight and die for,. was the explanation that City Press gave on behalf of the .racist. constable.
Even Mahatma Gandhi wasn.t spared from the venomous writing.
.Your hero, Mahatma Gandhi, once again rallied Indians to fight alongside the British in the Zulu Rebellion led by Nkosi Bambatha kaMancinza, where more than 7,000 African warriors fought and bled for this land,. the author noted.
The funny part in all of this is that these clowns ACTUALLY want black folks to believe THEY are the racists in South Africa..... Black folks are the MAJORITY population but the white minority and their indian lackeys (their term) are the ones with the wealth and power. And ALL of that is due to Apartheid. But Africans are racists? That is exactly what happens when you leave the ACTUAL RACISTS in control and allow them to manipulate you and your brain into believing total B.S.
quote: DURBAN: A Zulu pressure group has called for South African Indians to be excluded from transformation processes, citing "overt racism" towards black South Africans from the time that Mahatma Gandhi was in the country.
But both the provincial government and the Indian community have dismissed the suggestions.
Mazibuye African Forum, claiming to advocate socio-economic justice for indigenous Africans in South Africa, particularly in KwaZulu-Natal province, was reacting to a decision by the provincial government to erect a statue in Durban to commemorate the arrival of the first Indians in 1860 as indentured labourers for sugar cane farms.
"We have and are still calling for the Indians to be completely excluded from Black Economic Empowerment, Affirmative Action as well as Employment Equity unconditionally, with immediate effect and reiterate that their classification with Africans as a previously disadvantaged group is not only counter-productive but counter-revolutionary as well," Mazibuye chairman Zweli Sangweni said in a statement.
"Indians have been overtly racist towards Africans from the time they were brought in South Africa by the British Imperial Government," Sangweni said.
So this is your "rainbow" nation where the Boers want to resegregate. The Indians just want to be above the Kaffirs (as Ghandi himself said), the Europeans just want the blacks to shut up, the banks and industries are running away with the money and the ANC and the blacks are left holding the bag, killing each other and looking ridiculous.
Now it is odd how these white folks got away with 200 years of theft and crimes against humanity with nothing but some crocodile tears, but now they want to sit up and pretend to be pinnacles of freedom and humanity..... And black folks go for this nonsense.
quote:
On Mahatma Gandhi, his pathetic racism and advancement of segregation of black people
The greatest injustice against the struggle for liberation of black people was the projection of Mahatma Gandhi as committed to a cause against segregation. It is a fallacy that Gandhi in his struggles had any interests of black people at heart. His was a selfish cause to advance interests of Indians while encouraging continuing subjugation of black people. Gandhi held an absurd belief that Indians, along with whites, were a superior race to black people.
He said, .the British rulers take us to be so lowly and ignorant that they assume that, like the Kaffirs who can be pleased with toys and pins, we can also be fobbed off with trinkets . ours is one continual struggle against a degradation sought to be inflicted upon us by the Europeans, who desire to degrade us to the level of the raw Kaffir whose occupation is hunting, and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with and, then, pass his life in indolence and nakedness . Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilised . the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals..
He conspired with the oppressive white government in promotion of segregation of black people and elevating the importance of Indians above them. Indians believed in their false sense of superiority in that they frequently complained of being mixed in with black people in railway cars, lavatories, pass laws and in other regulations. They demanded special treatment and loathed being considered in the same regard as black people. He protested that, .we are classed with the natives of South Africa . Kaffir race..
Gandhi ensured that Indians received their elevation above black people and helped entrench segregation laws against black people. His major achievement was the creation of a separate entrance for Indians to the Durban Post Office who previously had to share with black people.
Gandhi wrote: .In the Durban Post and telegraph offices there were separate entrances for natives and Asiatics and Europeans. We felt the indignity too much and many respectable Indians were insulted and called all sorts of names by the clerks at the counter. We petitioned the authorities to do away with the invidious distinction and they have now provided three separate entrances for natives, Asiatics and Europeans..
There is a growing tendency to try to portray Gandhi as some messiah who also advanced the cause of black people. He cared less about the plight of black people and his sole purpose was to see Indians receive preferential treatment and laws be amended to that effect; while laws governing black people remained in force. He endorsed the ridiculous notion of white supremacy probably in the hope and belief that it would assist his cause for Indians.
quote:You are a confused fool. These are your heros:
What an ignorant comment. It's worth a big LOL. I won't dignify it with a response. Let it stand by itself in all its moronic glory.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin:
quote:You are a confused fool. These are your heros:
What an ignorant comment. blah..blah..blah.
broda lamin, Fools die from want of wisdom!
Your heros:
You may yet be salvageable. But that we will have to see... Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] Blacks actually engaging in Affirmative Action "debate" in south Africa:
......
John Brown gave his life for Black people:
quote: When a reporter asked whether white people could join the OAAU, Malcolm X said, "Definitely not." Then he added, "If John Brown were still alive, we might accept him."[4]
Dog you silly dog, there are good white people too. It ain't about skin colour, it is about genetics, it is also about the content of your character.
Only a fool or a malevolent agent of wickedness would dismiss the blood and sweat and tears and hopes upon which ANC won nearly 80 years of struggle against apartheid.
Only an ignoramus would attack the impeccable reputation of Nelson Mandela.
Only an agent provacateur would denigrate all great milestones that Africans have reached and surpassed.
Only a wretched soul, like Alsatian Dog would cast stones when he lives in a glass house.
Alsatian Dog, what have you ever done for just one Black man this past year?
MUURZ
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
This is schadenfreud photographed.
True face of Alsatian Dog M
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: the wealth gap in SA
what's the solution? Doug seems unable to come up with one
South Africa’s Racial Income Inequality Persists, Census Shows By Mike Cohen, Bloomberg News - Oct 30, 2012 6:32 AM ET
South Africa’s first census in a decade shows wealth disparities between race groups that persist 18 years after the end of apartheid. While incomes for black households increased an average 169 percent over 10 years, their annual earnings are 60,613 rand ($6,987), or a sixth of that for whites, Statistics South Africa said in a report released in Cape Town today. About 80 percent of South Africa’s 51.8 million population is black.
"These figures tell us that at the bottom of the rung is the black majority who continue to be confronted by deep poverty, unemployment and inequality,” President Jacob Zuma said at the release of the results. “Great strides have been made. However, much remains to be done to further improve the livelihoods of our people especially in terms of significant disparities that still exist between the rich and poor.” Under white segregationist rule, black South Africans were disadvantaged by poor education that confined many to unskilled, low-paying jobs. Zuma’s African National Congress has struggled to rectify the inequality gap since coming to power in 1994 even as it boosted access to electricity and water. South Africa’s population increased 16 percent since the last census was conducted in 2001 and compares with 50.6 million estimated in mid-2011, the statistics agency said. About 9 percent of the population is of mixed race, 8.9 percent white and 2.5 percent Asian, it said. Incomes for white households increased 88 percent to 365,134 rand in the past decade, the data shows. AIDS Orphans Population growth and life expectancy have been curbed by one of the world’s worst AIDS epidemics. About one in nine people in South Africa are infected with HIV, the virus that causes the disease, according to the government. The census found 3.37 million children under the age of 17, or 19 percent of the total, had lost one or both parents, with AIDS cited as a major contributor. Sixty-six percent of the population are between 15 and 64 years old, and 29 percent are younger than 15. Gauteng province, which includes Johannesburg and Pretoria, has a population of 12.3 million people, overtaking eastern KwaZulu-Natal province, where 10.3 million people live, as the most populous province. South Africa has 14.45 million households, 78 percent of which are formal dwellings, the census shows. About 85 percent of households have electric lighting, up from 51 percent in 2001, while 91 percent have access to piped water, up from 85 percent. Just 35 percent of households have Internet access. To contact the reporter on this story: Mike Cohen in Cape Town at
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: This is schadenfreud photographed.
True face of Alsatian Dog M
Dog, besides malevolence there are days when you are just simply hungry, hungry for the so-called "good life" of pinks:
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Iron what's this? white people were albino defectives but some are good now?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Yes. Some are Muurs too.
It is not the skin colour alone. It is the content of the character that differentiates Muurs from wild men.
It is bloodline and nationality.
Malcom X showed you that John Brown was a Muur; Joe Slovo was a Muur. Ruth First was a Muur. We honour those who honour us.
Guy Scott could also be a Muur. So far I like his sound.
Recall, the Muurs are the original nobility. Noble in character and action.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
"albino" is not a character term, it's pure biological description
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
It is a physical description. It also has social and moral connotations.
Recall the teachings of Elijah Muhammed. Blacks or Muurs come in all colours because they are the original people. They are the first nations.
In every genetic haplogroup, you will find Muurs as the head founders.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Doug is right about some things but he has an American perspective and sees Africa as a basket case
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Doug has a malevolent agenda. He has a mind of a wild albino. he speaks with twisted tongue.
All the genuine Africans on this board have complained at what he does but he only digs in more.
Africa is not a basket case, and most Africans have never been inside a ghetto.
The priorities of the west are not those of the Africans. Different value sets, different targets.
The west is dying, Africa is rising.
But malevolent Dog would wish evil on us all just to actualize his pornographic fantasies of poverty.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: This is schadenfreud photographed.
True face of Alsatian Dog M
Dog, besides malevolence there are days when you are just simply hungry, hungry for the so-called "good life" of pinks:
Korreck! Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
Malevolent Dog picture LOL.The USA are cutting their import of Nigerian and African oil.The Nigerian governement is not happy.Nigerian oil import by the USA is down 25%.
The USA are planning to get energy self sufficient by 2017. The USA are exploiting the midwest oil and they are using fracking to exploit gas from water spring and rock shell.
The USA didnt cut their oil import from Saudi Arabia that is financing worlwide terrorism and Wahabism Islam.Nigeria need to develop their computer, software and high tech industry.They need a silicon valley of internet company.Nigeria is curently becoming an industrialise country. In the future they will consume large part of their oil production.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: [QUOTE]Originally posted by IronLion: [qb] This is schadenfreud photographed.
True face of Alsatian Dog M
, besides malevolence there are days when you are just simply hungry, hungry for the so-called "good life" of pinks:
Korreck!
Come on man stop sniffing my leg.
You lost all credibility long ago when you said white folks were poor dodos in South Africa.... And when I posted how white folks REALLY live in South Africa you get all upset and want to claim that I am making stuff up and then start spouting fake race pride for Africans while at the same time DENYING the holocaust in Africa and saying white folks are Muurs and just like us........
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: [QUOTE]Originally posted by IronLion: [qb] This is schadenfreud photographed.
True face of Alsatian Dog M
, besides malevolence there are days when you are just simply hungry, hungry for the so-called "good life" of pinks:
Korreck!
Come on man stop sniffing my leg.
You lost all credibility long ago when you said white folks were poor dodos in South Africa.... And when I posted how white folks REALLY live in South Africa you get all upset and want to claim that I am making stuff up and then start spouting fake race pride for Africans while at the same time DENYING the holocaust in Africa and saying white folks are Muurs and just like us........
....
Dog
Kikuyu and me caught you out several times spamming false propaganda. Shame on you. Are there white schools in Kenya? LOL!
We already told you, there are rich and poor in every nation, amongst every people.
There are hundreds of millions of materially wealthy black people taking advantage of the opportunities that open up daily. Africa is on the rise!
The only one who fails to see that is the malevolent Dog pretending to be sorry for black people. A myopic bytch who thinks that all Muurs come from the ghettos. Hypocrite.
Worse, just like Jay-hootie, you are not even a black man yet you are an expert in Black man's problem. LMAO!
Fuching malevolent dog!
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: [QUOTE]Originally posted by IronLion: [qb] This is schadenfreud photographed.
True face of Alsatian Dog M
, besides malevolence there are days when you are just simply hungry, hungry for the so-called "good life" of pinks:
Korreck!
Come on man stop sniffing my leg.
..... Come on man stop sniffing my leg.
You lost all credibility long ago when you said white folks were poor dodos in South Africa.... And when I posted how white folks REALLY live in South Africa you get all upset and want to claim that I am making stuff up and then start spouting fake race pride for Africans while at the same time DENYING the holocaust in Africa and saying white folks are Muurs and just like us.....
Muurish Science Teachings for Hungry Dog:
quote:The Moorish Science Temple attracted mostly Black Americans. Noble Drew however was no racist, though he held certain racial theories. Blacks, he said, are Moabites or Moors, and under this identity he taught pride to a race of oppressed sufferers. Moors are an "Asiatic Race" --but so are many others. For example, Noble Drew identified Celts as an Asiatic Race; later, when Whites of various sorts became interested in Moorish Science, he identified all such as "Persians," a sort of spiritual rather than factual identity. For Moorish Americans Morocco is a "promised land"; this shows the influence of Garveyite "Return" teachings, and provides an interesting link between Moorish Science and Rastafarianism. Moorish Orthodoxy (despite its name) gives all these teachings an esoteric significance. For us, "The Asiatic Nation of North America" includes all who embrace some form of the Oriental Wisdom, whatever their other affiliations, and "Morocco" signifies their goal, "illuminated" consciousness.
You are a fake and a fraud but be that as it may, people need to see the truth and stop believing in nonsense. These people aren't brothers to anybody. They have no problem sitting there sipping up wine and having a good time while the NATIVES of that land who they robbed are starving right outside. Absolutely NO PROBLEM AT ALL.
But you talk that garbage about "noble" white Muurs.
Please.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
LMAO at this sick dog!
Dog those spam pictures will not assist you...lol!
You are a little pink ass boy pretending to be living on top of the world and lording it better than blacks and that is why I ama kicking your dirty ass.
A malevolent schadenfreude dog who wishes that black people will remain in the ghetto for your patronizing bytch ass.
That is why I have reduced you to meaningless untidy spamming that noone reads.
Truth is as clear as the day....
Malevolent and hungry cagot dog... trying inverse psychology ...
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
This is schadenfreud photographed.
True face of Alsatian Dog M
, besides malevolence there are days when you are just simply hungry, hungry for the so-called "good life" of pinks:
Korreck! [/qb][/QUOTE]
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Anyway. For sane folks that like the truth. Here is more of it.
Now here are WHITE folks speaking the truth:
quote: To add fuel to this fire, the BBC recently aired a documentary on Glasenberg, Glencore and the tax quandary Ruschlikon is dealing with. The film opens with a black screen on which the question is written: "How much profit is fair?" This is followed with footage of the idyllic village with its pristine streets, houses and waterways.
"Ruschlikon, a tiny village on the outskirts of Zurich and one of the richest communities in Switzerland."
"Real estate prices are booming, unemployment is virtually non-existent, and social problems are few and rare," the voice continues. The documentary tells the story of how one of Ruschlikon’s five thousand or so inhabitants gave it a massive tax windfall. "However, Glencore's copper mines in Zambia don't generate similar tax windfalls for Zambians," the makers of the film state. "The country has the third largest copper reserves in the world, but 60% of the population live on less than $1 a day and 80% are unemployed."
Filmmaker Christoffer Guldbrandsen investigates what is described as "the dark heart of the tax system employed by multi-nationals" and asks very uncomfortable questions about contemporary poverty, those who get extraordinarily rich and those who remain desperately poor. He contrasts the wealthy municipality of Ruschlikon with Zambia, where – as noted – nearly two-thirds of the population lives on less than a dollar a day. Guldbrandsen shows how Glencore, which controls over half of the world’s copper production, mines copper in Zambia, pays minimal wages in a country where unemployment is rife and then asks why Zambia gets such minor benefit while Glencore, Glasenberg and Rüschlikon grow richer every day.
The fact that Glencore taxes have made Rüschlikon so rich becomes darkly ironic when it is learned that the multinational was accused of evading taxes in Zambia. The charities received a leaked report which alleges Glencore increased costs in a mining operation in the copper-rich country between 2006 and 2008, as a means of tax avoidance. Glasenberg's company denied the charges, but this didn't stop the European Investment Bank freezing loans to the company because it had "serious concerns" about Glencore's corporate governance. Back in Zambia, this case, which involved Glencore's Mopani copper mines in that country, has become a rallying point for activists who believe the billions should be going to Zambian development.
In April last year, the BBC's Panorama reported that Glencor stood accused of "paying the associates of paramilitary killers in Colombia" and "profiting from child labour in a mine in the Congo". Glasenberg denied the allegations.
But to hear some clowns tell it, Africans are just doing great and the white folks are poor and starving. And the vast parks and reserves full of beautiful nature and wildlife in Africa with NO AFRICANS is cool and awesome and great.
And the FUNNIEST PART in all of this is that the black South Africans allow themselves to be called racists by these clowns who have spent the last 500 years creating RACIAL APARTHEID and EUGENICS based societies all over the planet for their own profit and have NOT ONCE been punished. They shouldn't even have the courage to say such things, because not only is it offensive but it is so blatantly DUMB as to not even begin to make any sense. It is like calling a Jewish person a Nazi. Now nobody in their right mind would do such a thing because they FEAR what would happen to them, but shoot they aren't worried about the black folks doing anything and they say these things ALL DAY.
Oh and back to the point on Zambia. WHO is exploiting the minerals? The WHITE folks. And listen to this black clown in the video say "we don't have time to stop (investors from stealing from Africans)". Doesn't that sound stupid? A black clown behind politician who says it is this NOT HIS JOB. So WHOSE JOB IS IT? Are you SERIOUSLY thinking that white folks who have spent the last 500 years getting rich stealing from black folks to feel bad and suddenly stop? And this is precisely the same DUMB AZZ attitude of ALL black politicians in ALL of Africa. Just wait for the white folks to turn around and stop stealing from you and give you some of your money back. And as we all see, it isn't happening.
And the black Africans don't even have electricity because there is no national grid. And what is a prime component of electrical wiring networks? You got it. COPPER.
quote: Despite competition from other materials, copper remains the preferred electrical conductor in nearly all categories of electrical wiring with the major exception being overhead electric power transmission where aluminium is often preferred.[67][68] Copper wire is used in power generation, power transmission, power distribution, telecommunications, electronics circuitry, and countless types of electrical equipment.[69] Electrical wiring is the most important market for the copper industry.[70] This includes building wire, communications cable, power distribution cable, appliance wire, automotive wire and cable, and magnet wire. Roughly half of all copper mined is used to manufacture electrical wire and cable conductors.[71] Many electrical devices rely on copper wiring because of its multitude of inherent beneficial properties, such as its high electrical conductivity, tensile strength, ductility, creep (deformation) resistance, corrosion resistance, low thermal expansion, high thermal conductivity, solderability, and ease of installation.
The Thread Opener is about Zambian Vice Presidency. About Guy Scott a man who walks like John Brown and Joe Slovo.
What is wrong in giving him respect?
The malevolent Doug uses it as an opportunity to patronize on "black folks" as losers ghetto dwellers. While he bigs up his cagotic tribe as all powerful, all rich all joyful. Ominipotent.
Hungry Dog it no go so. We have taught you Muurish science on this website for more than 8 years now but you only seem to sink into more schadenfreude and malevolence dark arts wizard casting evil spells.
Shut your fuk, Dog, shut your shyt-eating hole.
Stop waltzing and wzing around the subject. Your straw man's argument is simply another attempt to escape the reality.
One question you have been running away from:
Since white people are so much better off than black people, why is it that infinitely more white people commit suicide? Whereas only an infinitesimal number of black people commit suicide?
Why malevolent Dog, why? This is the key to all your wicked thoughts....suicide
Dog do you think of suicide like your cousins? Dog do you ever fantasize of hanging yourself.. be honest..
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: [QUOTE]Originally posted by IronLion: [qb] This is schadenfreud photographed.
True face of Alsatian Dog M
, besides malevolence there are days when you are just simply hungry, hungry for the so-called "good life" of pinks:
Korreck!
Come on man stop sniffing my leg.
..... Come on man stop sniffing my leg.
You lost all credibility long ago when you said white folks were poor dodos in South Africa.... And when I posted how white folks REALLY live in South Africa you get all upset and want to claim that I am making stuff up and then start spouting fake race pride for Africans while at the same time DENYING the holocaust in Africa and saying white folks are Muurs and just like us.....
Muurish Science Teachings for Hungry Dog:
quote:The Moorish Science Temple attracted mostly Black Americans. Noble Drew however was no racist, though he held certain racial theories. Blacks, he said, are Moabites or Moors, and under this identity he taught pride to a race of oppressed sufferers. Moors are an "Asiatic Race" --but so are many others. For example, Noble Drew identified Celts as an Asiatic Race; later, when Whites of various sorts became interested in Moorish Science, he identified all such as "Persians," a sort of spiritual rather than factual identity. For Moorish Americans Morocco is a "promised land"; this shows the influence of Garveyite "Return" teachings, and provides an interesting link between Moorish Science and Rastafarianism. Moorish Orthodoxy (despite its name) gives all these teachings an esoteric significance. For us, "The Asiatic Nation of North America" includes all who embrace some form of the Oriental Wisdom, whatever their other affiliations, and "Morocco" signifies their goal, "illuminated" consciousness.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] Anyway. For sane folks that like the truth. Here is more of it.
blah..blah..blah..
Back to Zambia...blah....blah..blah..
And the black Africans don't even have electricity because there is no national grid. And what is a prime component of electrical wiring networks? You got it. COPPER.
..
Iron Lion exposes the malevolent lies of baleful hungry Dog M
Sorry Dog, I just had to expose your nonsense again... Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] Anyway. For sane folks that like the truth. Here is more of it.
blah..blah..blah..
And the black Africans don't even have electricity because there is no national grid. And what is a prime component of electrical wiring networks? You got it. COPPER.
..
Iron Lion exposes the malevolent lies of baleful hungry Dog M
Sorry Dog, I just had to expose your nonsense again...
Dog
This is Lusaka the capital of Zambia. Regard and weep:
Dog, this is the HQ of Zambia's telephone and communication giant, serving Africans:
Malevolent Dog, this is Muurish Zambia, a Black African State:
Cagot Dog, this is Lusaka Town Council. I am certain it will make you bark in agony:
Dog, I will pay for your trip to Zambia and South Africa if you allow me. Maybe it will edify your animal-like comprehension abilities...
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote:Access to electricity (% of population) in Zambia The Access to electricity (% of population) in Zambia was 18.80 in 2009, according to a World Bank report, published in 2010. Access to electricity is the percentage of population with access to electricity. Electrification data are collected from industry; national surveys and international sources.This page includes a historical data chart, news and forecasts for Access to electricity (% of population) in Zambia.
quote: The third public hearing on the proposal by the Zambia Electricity Supply Corporation (ZESCO) to review its tariffs has opened in Lusaka today.
The first two meetings were held in Livingstone and Kitwe.
Zesco Managing Director Cyprian Chitundu said during a presentation at the meeting that Zambia risks failing to meet her vision of being a middle income country by 2030 if electricity tariffs are not adjusted upwards.
Mr. Chitundu said the demand for electricity will rise to about 2,389 mega watts (MW) by 2015 thereby creating a deficit of about 540 mega watts if the tariffs were not adjusted upwards.
He also said without a tariff increase, there will be more load shedding, unreliable supply, restricted investment and derailment of development projects in the country
He restated that the quantity of electricity in the country was not sufficient to meet the demand noting that there was currently a shortfall of 165 mega watts between 18:00hrs and 20:00hrs.
Mr. Chitundu said the current domestic peak hour demand doesn’t meet the capacity because the country has changed a lot economically since the time of independence. He said the solution to the electricity shortage would lay in the company’s plans to construct more power stations through investing about US$3.7 billion on assets and infrastructure this year and $26.4 billion in the next five years.
Mr. Chitundu said about 75 percent of the Zambian population has no access to electricity.
He said it was the desire of the company to fulfill government’s plans to have the entire country connected to the national electricity grid by 2030.
But Zambia National Farmers Union (ZNFU) vice chairperson Evelyn Nguleka opposed the tariff hike saying the move will among other things push the inflation of the country.
Dr. Nguleka said farmers were the biggest users of electricity and an increase in their cost of production will be passed on to the ordinary Zambians.
She further said if approved, the electricity tariff increase will also hamper the capacity of the agriculture sector as most farmers will not be able to export their produce.
So if there are all these kilowatts of electricity being generated in Zambia, who is getting access to it? I am quite sure that the whites in Zambia have access.
And we all know that IronLung is a liar since he claims that white folks in Africa are doing bad.... yeah doing bad in country club suburbs. Sure. Lets have sympathy for them.
So uhh lets see how white folks are doing in Zambia again shall we? I mean since some folks haven't learned anything:
But don't worry there are black folks there too...
Hint: White supremacy is like a secret society.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Liar!
I list your more outrageous lies below. They are a hint of your malevolent personality:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Anyway. For sane folks that like the truth. Here is more of it.
blah..blah..blah..
Back to Zambia...blah....blah..blah..
And the black Africans don't even have electricity because there is no national grid. And what is a prime component of electrical wiring networks? You got it. COPPER.
..
Iron Lion exposes the malevolent lies of baleful hungry Dog M
quote: Brookhouse is a Round Square co-educational day and boarding school for children aged 2 – 19, offering an adapted form of the British National Curriculum to Kenyan and international pupils. ......
There are no white schools in Kenya. Kenya does not have an apartheid system. Kenya has been independent since 1962, practising a western style democracy.
Kenya has elite classses. But these are Black people, Black billoniares, Black President, Black Generals, Black Air Marshalls, and a Muurish Flag! Like every other country, there are also poor kenyans.
The elites Kenyans send their children to schools like Brookehouse. LOL! I went to such school myself because I won a scholarship not because I was elite (mind you).
Read your own quote again:
quote: ...Brookhouse is a Round Square co-educational day and boarding school for children aged 2 – 19, offering an adapted form of the British National Curriculum to KENYAN and international pupils.
1. There is only a negligible number of Afrikaners in Zambia. Afrikaners are mainly in South Africa because Dutch settled there. Zambia is all Black.
There is also a small population of English people there. Malevolent Dog, where in Zambia did you meet up with Afrikaners??? LMAO!
2. There are no whites only school in Kenya.
3. And yes, Zambia and all of Africa have electricity grid.
Malevolent dog, you are a fuching illiterate without any basic knowledge of Africa except from what you see in google images.
Sorry.. if you care I will buy you a trip back to my continent to disabuse your wicked and evil, cagotic mind.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: This is schadenfreud photographed.
True face of Alsatian Dog M
, besides malevolence there are days when you are just simply hungry, hungry for the so-called "good life" of pinks:
Korreck! [/qb][/QUOTE]
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ...
Malevolent Dog
This is your future in South Africa. To the last man, you will all be fuched, in the end. Read:
Removal of Afrikaans 'destroying' whites: iLIVE Bill Hollenbach by email | 01 March, 2012 12:31
The Voortrekker Monument, in Pretoria, a national heritage site - some asylum applicants have said they are targeted in South Africa because they are Afrikaners
The ANC government has now officially taken the Afrikaner Language away as an official language South Africa. This is the aim of the ANC, to totally obliterate the white minority that built this country, that they are doing their damndest to destroy.
This move is like banning English in Ireland, Scotland and Wales or American and reverting back to Sioux or Apache as the official languages.
Racism is the heart of the ANC and they will do anything to get the whites out of South Africa by 2014, for the forming of the Federated States of Southern Africa.
“Die, my beloved country, for those fathers and ancestors that gave their lives for YOUR freedom, now weep in their graves as the ANC hierarchy is raping the poor and enriching themselves through corruption, like the world has never seen.
Wake up world, South Africa is now faster becoming a dictatorship of the ANC, than that idiot Robert Mugabe, Adolph Hitler and Idi Amin did.
God help South Africa, we are now entering our death throws.
This is your future in South Africa. To the last man, you will all be fuched, in the end. Read:
Removal of Afrikaans 'destroying' whites: iLIVE Bill Hollenbach by email | 01 March, 2012 12:31
The Voortrekker Monument, in Pretoria, a national heritage site - some asylum applicants have said they are targeted in South Africa because they are Afrikaners
The ANC government has now officially taken the Afrikaner Language away as an official language South Africa. This is the aim of the ANC, to totally obliterate the white minority that built this country, that they are doing their damndest to destroy.
This move is like banning English in Ireland, Scotland and Wales or American and reverting back to Sioux or Apache as the official languages.
Racism is the heart of the ANC and they will do anything to get the whites out of South Africa by 2014, for the forming of the Federated States of Southern Africa.
“Die, my beloved country, for those fathers and ancestors that gave their lives for YOUR freedom, now weep in their graves as the ANC hierarchy is raping the poor and enriching themselves through corruption, like the world has never seen.
Wake up world, South Africa is now faster becoming a dictatorship of the ANC, than that idiot Robert Mugabe, Adolph Hitler and Idi Amin did.
God help South Africa, we are now entering our death throws.
Make up your mind man. I thought you said before I was white hating blacks. Now you are saying I am black hating whites....
Wow dude. You need to fix your dyslexic bipolar disorder.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Liar!
I list your more outrageous lies below. They are a hint of your malevolent personality:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Anyway. For sane folks that like the truth. Here is more of it.
blah..blah..blah..
Back to Zambia...blah....blah..blah..
And the black Africans don't even have electricity because there is no national grid. And what is a prime component of electrical wiring networks? You got it. COPPER.
..
Iron Lion exposes the malevolent lies of baleful hungry Dog M
quote: Brookhouse is a Round Square co-educational day and boarding school for children aged 2 – 19, offering an adapted form of the British National Curriculum to Kenyan and international pupils. ......
There are no white schools in Kenya. Kenya does not have an apartheid system. Kenya has been independent since 1962, practising a western style democracy.
Kenya has elite classses. But these are Black people, Black billoniares, Black President, Black Generals, Black Air Marshalls, and a Muurish Flag! Like every other country, there are also poor kenyans.
The elites Kenyans send their children to schools like Brookehouse. LOL! I went to such school myself because I won a scholarship not because I was elite (mind you).
Read your own quote again:
quote: ...Brookhouse is a Round Square co-educational day and boarding school for children aged 2 – 19, offering an adapted form of the British National Curriculum to KENYAN and international pupils.
LOL! Most Zambians don't have electricity. The ones that do are primarily the white plantation owners.... but to hear you tell it these whites are living in poverty.
And that school in Kenya is run by whites, even if blacks go there and there are a lot of white students there. It does not represent the education system for the majority of Kenyans.
Continue to expose the truth, Doug.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Liar!
I list your more outrageous lies below. They are a hint of your malevolent personality:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Anyway. For sane folks that like the truth. Here is more of it.
blah..blah..blah..
Back to Zambia...blah....blah..blah..
And the black Africans don't even have electricity because there is no national grid. And what is a prime component of electrical wiring networks? You got it. COPPER.
..
Iron Lion exposes the malevolent lies of baleful hungry Dog M
quote: Brookhouse is a Round Square co-educational day and boarding school for children aged 2 – 19, offering an adapted form of the British National Curriculum to Kenyan and international pupils. ......
There are no white schools in Kenya. Kenya does not have an apartheid system. Kenya has been independent since 1962, practising a western style democracy.
Kenya has elite classses. But these are Black people, Black billoniares, Black President, Black Generals, Black Air Marshalls, and a Muurish Flag! Like every other country, there are also poor kenyans.
The elites Kenyans send their children to schools like Brookehouse. LOL! I went to such school myself because I won a scholarship not because I was elite (mind you).
Read your own quote again:
quote: ...Brookhouse is a Round Square co-educational day and boarding school for children aged 2 – 19, offering an adapted form of the British National Curriculum to KENYAN and international pupils.
LOL! Most Zambians don't have electricity. The ones that do are primarily the white plantation owners.... but to hear you tell it these whites are living in poverty.
And that school in Kenya is run by whites, even if blacks go there and there are a lot of white students there. It does not represent the education system for the majority of Kenyans.
blah..blah..blah..
quote:List of Power Stations in Zambia serving Urban and rural areas:
Kafue Gorge Power Stations, 900 MW Kariba Dam North Power Station, 720 MW (upgrading to 1080 MW scheduled finished December 2012) Victoria Falls Power Station, 108 MW Four smaller hydropower stations: Lusiwasi (12MW), Musonda Falls (5MW), Chishimba Falls (6MW) and Lunzua (750KW).
Chump! Fuching liar! You are now back pedalling from your disgraceful lies.
But they are now permanent record of your ignorance and malevolence.
LOL! Keep on lying, we are here to get on exposing your malevolent ass.
Oh, you lying albino dog you..
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ...
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by SEEKING: Continue to expose the truth, Doug.
Lol! The pornographic fantasies of pinkies...
You are the reason why, porn purveyors like Malevolent Dog and other such pimps are so popular in the west.
Ignorance, and schadenfreude... Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote:Originally posted by SEEKING: Continue to expose the truth, Doug.
You know the funny part is that negroes everywhere don't see that it is all the same system no matter where you go. And to here them tell it "they" look like "us". Who is "they"? And how are they like "us", when blacks don't own or control anything anywhere? It is retardedly hilarous to hear black folks say "us" when they mean whites or white nations where they don't have anything and aren't really part of anything.
The biggest enemy of black folks is willful purposeful ignorance. At the end of the day things could never have gotten where they are today without Africans being PURPOSELY IGNORANT. Sure you expect white folks to fall in line with their own "culture" but for black folks to defend it and remain stubbornly ignorant is downright traitorous.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] ..... Most Zambians don't have electricity. The ones that do are primarily the white plantation owners.... but to hear you tell it these whites are living in poverty.
And that school in Kenya is run by whites, even if blacks go there and there are a lot of white students there.
It does not represent the education system for the majority of Kenyans.
Zambia produces so much electricity it exports power to 4 Muurish African country.
Dog read and get an education:
quote: Lion says: Zambia exports power to several of its neighbours, however, only eighteen percent of the Zambian population have access to electricity. There are two major power entities in Zambia. ZESCO (Zambian Electricity Supply Company Ltd.) is the national authority and went up for privatisation in 1999. ZESCO generates power and is responsible for transmission and distribution.
The other power organisation is CAPC (Central African Power Corporation). CAPC is jointly owned by Zambia and Zimbabwe. The two countries share equally the costs and output of the corporation. CAPC exploits the hydro potential of the Kariba complex, which consists of the Kariba North and Kariba South power stations, Kariba dam and any future dams which may be constructed on the Zambezi river. Lake Kariba is the collection point for a vast catchment area spanning several millions of square kilometres. The Upper Catchment extends over the western half of Zambia and into Angola. The Lower Catchment covers a large part of Zimbabwe and is fed by the lake, Cahora Bassa in Mozambique. Lake Kariba itself is about 300 km long and the international boundary between Zambia and Zimbabwe runs down the middle of the lake. CAPC operates the dam and the two Kariba power stations. ZESCO is responsible for bulk sales in Zambia and for the cost of generation at Kafue and Victoria Falls power stations. The Zimbabwe Electricity Supply Authority (ZESA) is responsible for the costs of Bulawayo, Harare, Hwange and Munyati thermal power stations which link into the system.
CAPC operates a transmission system from Kariba connecting into both the Zambian and the Zimbabwe networks. The system consists of 330 kV overhead lines linking Kariba and is paid for by the two national utilities.
Zambia has an installed power capacity of 2500 MW, with 705 MW of this power coming from facilities at Kariba.
The Government has paid K3 billion towards the electrification of the Kaputa district of the country. 121community-based organisations and 9 schools in rural areas of Zambia will be getting BP Solar panels to generate electricity for lighting, radio, television and refrigeration. The panels will be supplied by Apex-BP Solar, a subsidiary of BP France, which has been awarded a contract through its distributor Electrical Maintenance Lusaka Limited (EML) by Zambia Social Investment Fund. Apex-BP Solar will supply, the solar panels, EML will deliver and install the panels and also train their users in various schools and health centres in Zambia. The project will produce a peak power of almost 250 kilowatts (kWp).
Zambia Social Investment Fund, a unit of the Ministry of Finance and National Planning, is managing a development credit agreement signed with the International Development Association (IDA). EML, which is based in Lusaka began its activities in 1964 and focused on electrical contracting services and maintenance. It has expanded over the years and employed at its peak a total staff of 600 employees active in various fields including the manufacture of electrical light fittings, domestic and security lighting, distribution boards and motor control centres. EML has succeeded in the last few years to become one of the major players in the solar industry in Zambia.
quote:Lion says: List of Power Stations in Zambia serving Urban and rural areas:
Kafue Gorge Power Stations, 900 MW Kariba Dam North Power Station, 720 MW (upgrading to 1080 MW scheduled finished December 2012) Victoria Falls Power Station, 108 MW Four smaller hydropower stations: Lusiwasi (12MW), Musonda Falls (5MW), Chishimba Falls (6MW) and Lunzua (750KW).
Sorry Dog the malevolent, did that hurt? Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote: The Southern Suburbs are a group of suburbs in Cape Town, Western Cape, South Africa. This group includes Rondebosch, Claremont, Plumstead, Ottery, Wynberg, Newlands, Constantia and Bishopscourt, and to some aspects Pinelands and Observatory too.
Cape Town's Southern Suburbs lie to the Southeast of the slopes of Table Mountain within rich valleys and vast plains reaching from just south of the Table Bay industrial neighbourhoods in the north to the False Bay coastal suburbs and the Cape Peninsula cliffs to the south, and are crossed North-South by the M5 and M3 motorways. In general this area is identified as being the more affluent of the Cape Town Metropolis' sections and includes the city's most expensive residential neighbourhoods.
The majority of the Southern Suburbs' just over 100,000 inhabitants (as of 2001) is White English-speaking.
quote: The Cape Flats is an expansive, low-lying, flat area situated to the southeast of the central business district of Cape Town. Described by some as 'Apartheid's dumping ground', from the 1950s the area became home to people the apartheid government designated as non-White. Race-based legislation such as the Group Areas Act and pass laws either forced non-white people out of more central urban areas designated for white people and into government-built townships in the Flats, or made living in the area illegal, forcing many people designated as Black into informal settlements elsewhere in the Flats.
The Flats have since then been home to much of the population of Greater Cape Town, and most of the residents in the area are of African descent. This area includes the neighbourhoods of Mitchell's Plain, Gugulethu, Nyanga, and Khayelitsha.
But anyway. Obviously the whites aren't poor or down in out in South Africa or anywhere else in Africa for that matter. The ONLY people down and out are the blacks and WE ALL KNOW WHY. And the reason is that they have bought into a lie and fairy tale and refuse to build anything for themselves, as opposed to pretending the white system is going to provide for them as a community, when it isn't.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:Originally posted by SEEKING: Continue to expose the truth, Doug.
You know the funny part is that negroes everywhere don't see that it is all the same system no matter where you go. And to here them tell it "they" look like "us". Who is "they"? And how are they like "us", when blacks don't own or control anything anywhere? It is retardedly hilarous to hear black folks say "us" when they mean whites or white nations where they don't have anything and aren't really part of anything.
The biggest enemy of black folks is willful purposeful ignorance. At the end of the day things could never have gotten where they are today without Africans being PURPOSELY IGNORANT. Sure you expect white folks to fall in line with their own "culture" but for black folks to defend it and remain stubbornly ignorant is downright traitorous.
The greatest threat to Black people all over is liberal so-called whites like yourself trying to convince us that we are poor and wretched, when we know we are rich and beloved.
The greatest threat to black people is wizards like yourself coming on line to cast your pale-pink wicked spells of malevolence on Africa, with your infernal Afro-pessimisms, and your insistent lies and your feigned concern. Fiyah bun your pink ass!
The greatest insult to me as a Muur, is for a sick ass white boi like you, an unemployed cagot on social assistance, to conjure up pornographic images of African poverty in order to justify your meaningless existence in the west and make yourself feel better.
Cagot, it has all changed. And it changed overnight.
Despite your pretentious wicked and malevolent visions, Africa is on the rise!
The Muurs and back on the top again... Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: More "po white folks" in South Africa...
blah..blah..blah..
More irrelevant dogging.
OP is on ZAMBIA.
Do you still insist that Zambia has no national electricity grid?
Do you still claim that all black Zambians have no electricity?
Do you still claim that Zambia is a plantation economy?
Malevolent Doug, you are nothing but an ignorant picture spamming white boi, trying to use inverse psychology to insult black people.
If you want to talk South Africa, open another thread and I will murder you like I am doing here!
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
How many white people are there in Zambia?
Dog the malevolent has told the world that Zambia runs a plantation economy where its people only slave for white people who lord it over them. White people like Guy Scott [who in truth is just a mascot used by the Zambian political system].
Let's see those mythical white slave masters of Zambia.
Doug the malevolent, I hope you are taking note:
quote: Zambia
At the brink of the country's independence in 1964, there were roughly 70,000 Europeans (mostly British) in Zambia (Northern Rhodesia before independence), making up roughly 2.3% of the 3 million inhabitants at the time.[27] Zambia had a different situation compared to other African countries. It included segregation, similar to South Africa, Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) and South-West Africa (Namibia); but as the Europeans constituted a smaller fraction of the population they did not dominate politics. There were a few cities in Northern Rhodesia that had British place names, but all except one (Livingstone) were changed when the country became independent or soon after.
.....
When Zambia became independent in 1964, the majority of white settlers left for Rhodesia , just by crossing the border. An almost identical town of Victoria Falls lies on the other side, and benefited from the white people's crafts and abilities. This enabled them to improve the situation on the white-controlled Rhodesian side, and therefore Livingstone soon became desolate and unused. However, since the economic problems in Zimbabwe since the start of the 21st century, the situation has very much turned around as the Zambian side has become more attractive to tourists and therefore Livingstone is once again improving (at the expense of Victoria Falls).
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] ..... Most Zambians don't have electricity. The ones that do are primarily the white plantation owners.... but to hear you tell it these whites are living in poverty.
And that school in Kenya is run by whites, even if blacks go there and there are a lot of white students there.
It does not represent the education system for the majority of Kenyans.
Zambia produces so much electricity it exports power to 4 Muurish African country.
Dog read and get an education:
quote: Lion says: Zambia exports power to several of its neighbours, however, only eighteen percent of the Zambian population have access to electricity. There are two major power entities in Zambia. ZESCO (Zambian Electricity Supply Company Ltd.) is the national authority and went up for privatisation in 1999. ZESCO generates power and is responsible for transmission and distribution.
The other power organisation is CAPC (Central African Power Corporation). CAPC is jointly owned by Zambia and Zimbabwe. The two countries share equally the costs and output of the corporation. CAPC exploits the hydro potential of the Kariba complex, which consists of the Kariba North and Kariba South power stations, Kariba dam and any future dams which may be constructed on the Zambezi river. Lake Kariba is the collection point for a vast catchment area spanning several millions of square kilometres. The Upper Catchment extends over the western half of Zambia and into Angola. The Lower Catchment covers a large part of Zimbabwe and is fed by the lake, Cahora Bassa in Mozambique. Lake Kariba itself is about 300 km long and the international boundary between Zambia and Zimbabwe runs down the middle of the lake. CAPC operates the dam and the two Kariba power stations. ZESCO is responsible for bulk sales in Zambia and for the cost of generation at Kafue and Victoria Falls power stations. The Zimbabwe Electricity Supply Authority (ZESA) is responsible for the costs of Bulawayo, Harare, Hwange and Munyati thermal power stations which link into the system.
CAPC operates a transmission system from Kariba connecting into both the Zambian and the Zimbabwe networks. The system consists of 330 kV overhead lines linking Kariba and is paid for by the two national utilities.
Zambia has an installed power capacity of 2500 MW, with 705 MW of this power coming from facilities at Kariba.
The Government has paid K3 billion towards the electrification of the Kaputa district of the country. 121community-based organisations and 9 schools in rural areas of Zambia will be getting BP Solar panels to generate electricity for lighting, radio, television and refrigeration. The panels will be supplied by Apex-BP Solar, a subsidiary of BP France, which has been awarded a contract through its distributor Electrical Maintenance Lusaka Limited (EML) by Zambia Social Investment Fund. Apex-BP Solar will supply, the solar panels, EML will deliver and install the panels and also train their users in various schools and health centres in Zambia. The project will produce a peak power of almost 250 kilowatts (kWp).
Zambia Social Investment Fund, a unit of the Ministry of Finance and National Planning, is managing a development credit agreement signed with the International Development Association (IDA). EML, which is based in Lusaka began its activities in 1964 and focused on electrical contracting services and maintenance. It has expanded over the years and employed at its peak a total staff of 600 employees active in various fields including the manufacture of electrical light fittings, domestic and security lighting, distribution boards and motor control centres. EML has succeeded in the last few years to become one of the major players in the solar industry in Zambia.
quote:Lion says: List of Power Stations in Zambia serving Urban and rural areas:
Kafue Gorge Power Stations, 900 MW Kariba Dam North Power Station, 720 MW (upgrading to 1080 MW scheduled finished December 2012) Victoria Falls Power Station, 108 MW Four smaller hydropower stations: Lusiwasi (12MW), Musonda Falls (5MW), Chishimba Falls (6MW) and Lunzua (750KW).
Sorry Dog the malevolent, did that hurt?
It hurt laughing so hard at you. Do you read your own posts:
quote:Lion says: Zambia exports power to several of its neighbours, however, only eighteen percent of the Zambian population have access to electricity.
So yeah.... they are exporting the electricity and not providing it to their own people. And let me guess, you are going to say that the electricity is being consumed by Africans.... lol
quote: nergy fuels economic development and the evidence is before our eyes every day. Businesses require a steady supply of energy to produce goods and services. Electricity allows school children to study after sunset and hospitals need it to save lives Insufficient or irregular energy supply is associated with significant economic cost for businesses and households. Lack of access to clean energy also creates a myriad of health and environmental hazards, such as indoor pollution from cooking on traditional open-fire stoves and deforestation.
Unfortunately, affordable access to clean energy remains an elusive dream for most Tanzanians, especially those living outside of urban centers and the poor:
Only 14 percent of the Tanzanian population has access to electricity in 2010. Rural areas are virtually disconnected from the national electrical grid: Only three percent of people living in rural villages use electricity, while 95 percent use firewood for cooking. Access to electricity is almost zero for the two poorest quintiles of households even in urban areas. Annual electric power consumption stands at less than 90 kilowatt-hours per capita, just enough to power one light bulb per person for three hours every day. Over the past decade, Tanzania has increased access to electricity at a rate of less than one percentage point per year. At this rate, it would take well into the 22nd century to achieve universal electrification. When managers of firms are asked directly about the most serious problems they face in conducting business, electricity comes out as their number one concern. Almost 75 percent of Tanzanian enterprises consider routine load shedding and power outages as the most serious constraint to doing business, while another 15 percent mention it as a significant problem.
Of course, there are a number of reasons why progress in improving access to electricity has been slow. Expanding the electric grid to remote rural areas requires significant upfront capital investments and public subsidies, which often conflict with funding to other well-needed public services and investments, such as education, health and road infrastructure. An increase in power access also requires substantial investments along the production chain and in the transmission to firms and households. Technical choices are not always obvious since technologies and opportunities evolve over time, such as the recent discovery of new on-shore and off-shore gas reserves. Policymakers have to make a series of strategic decisions within and between sectors, which naturally involve trade-offs and in many cases uncertain economic benefits. And finally, governance also plays an important role in this sector, where less than perfect public utilities often operate as monopolies.
I certainly don't expect the world bank to do anything to fix this situation but you sit here and argue facts so here are the facts.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: More "po white folks" in South Africa...
blah..blah..blah..
More irrelevant dogging.
OP is on ZAMBIA.
Do you still insist that Zambia has no national electricity grid?
Do you still claim that all black Zambians have no electricity?
Do you still claim that Zambia is a plantation economy?
Malevolent Doug, you are nothing but an ignorant picture spamming white boi, trying to use inverse psychology to insult black people.
If you want to talk South Africa, open another thread and I will murder you like I am doing here!
If only 14% of Zambians have access to electricity how does that constitute a NATIONAL grid? Do you know what a national grid means?
It means a grid covering the entire nation and most of the population. So by ANY definition there is no "national grid" in Zambia or most of Africa for that matter. MOST AFRICANS do not have access to electricity because there is no true national grid. The only grid that exists is to supply power to the major industries, primarily mines and farms, which are primarily NOT owned by blacks.
LOL!
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: More "po white folks" in South Africa...
blah..blah..blah..
More irrelevant dogging.
OP is on ZAMBIA.
Do you still insist that Zambia has no national electricity grid?
Do you still claim that all black Zambians have no electricity?
Do you still claim that Zambia is a plantation economy?
Malevolent Doug, you are nothing but an ignorant picture spamming white boi, trying to use inverse psychology to insult black people.
If you want to talk South Africa, open another thread and I will murder you like I am doing here!
If only 14% of Zambians have access to electricity how does that constitute a NATIONAL grid? Do you know what a national grid means?
It means a grid covering the entire nation and most of the population. So by ANY definition there is no "national grid" in Zambia or most of Africa for that matter. MOST AFRICANS do not have access to electricity because there is no true national grid. The only grid that exists is to supply power to the major industries, primarily mines and farms, which are primarily NOT owned by blacks.
LOL!
Meaning of National Grid:
quote:A National Grid is a power or energy supply system for a nation. They are called this because the network of supply lines from various generating or storage sources forms a grid in a mathematical sense, as there is usually more than one supply line to most points (or grid nodes).
......................
National grids do not necessarily cover the entire country, especially in poorer or less populated areas.
Dog, white people don't own the electricity in Zambia. Who owns the Electricity Company of Zambia: The Zambian people, the state of Zambia.
quote: Zambia Electricity Supply Corporation Limited (ZESCO) is a state-owned power company in Zambia. It is the Zambian the largest power company producing about 80% of the electricity consumed in the country. ZESCO represents Zambia in the Southern African Power Pool.
The grid used by the Zambian government to supply electricity to its people is the national grid.
There is no requirement that it must traverse the entire nation before it is called a national grid.
That is your white boi twist, you pale dog!
Earlier you declared that only whites and their companies had electricity in Zambia.
Now you have been reduced to hot airs about the percentage of rural Black Zambians with access to the National Grid.
Pink Dog, India, a major industrial power has serious problems with connecting its rural population.
Close to 87% of India's rural population have no power, does that mean India is now colonized and enslaved by white people?
Same situation in Brazil, China, and many parts of Eastern Europe.
Those are called Developing Countries. Nothing mysterious in that. Developing countries will develop!
Your other issue was that we Africans were fools to deal with men like Guy Scott, a white man raised up in Zambia.
India is being ruled by an Italian woman today, Sonia Ghandi, are they fools?
How dare you cry false crocodile tears about how whites were lording it over Zambians, when there are no whites (strictly speaking) in Zambia?
And how black Zambians were all slaves, had no ..to none existent white Zambians.
It is no secret that Africa is a developing continent, a youthful continent.
What is evil about you is your wicked spells against Africans, against our leaders, against our future prospect, like an evil wizard, sending malevolent wishes on a people who did nothing to him.
But you have failed miserably.
You and the other multiple names you registered which you use to support your self in hard times like this....
LMBAO @ this chump!
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
MUURISH electrical lessons about Zambia:
Projects in Development
As a result of such concerted State efforts, he said, several companies were now active in the hydropower subsector, with various private-sector led projects at various stages of development.
These included the 105 MW Lunsemfa Hydro Power Company project, the 247 MW Lunzua Power Authority project, the 40 MW CEC project and the 750 MW Kafue Gorge Lower hydropower plant development.
All hydropower operations currently under development were to come on-stream by 2018.
Hibajene, however, conceded that some negative investor sentiment had emerged following the implementation of the legislation, in May last, which ordered that all transactions with foreign companies be prepared using the local currency, the Zambian kwacha.
The majority of the existing private and public sector agreements had been signed using the dollar as reference.
Negotiations were currently under way between government and industry to revisit the contentious legislation, which Hibajene said had resulted in project delays and investor reticence.
“We are hopeful that there will be a general exemption for all infrastructure projects, and we think that the Minister of Finance is beginning to see our point,” he concluded.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: More "po white folks" in South Africa... [QUOTE]Originally posted by IronLion: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by IronLion: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] More "po white folks" in South Africa...
blah..blah..blah..
More irrelevant dogging.
OP is on ZAMBIA.
Do you still insist that Zambia has no national electricity grid?
Do you still claim that all black Zambians have no electricity?
Do you still claim that Zambia is a plantation economy?
Malevolent Doug, you are nothing but an ignorant picture spamming white boi, trying to use inverse psychology to insult black people.
If you want to talk South Africa, open another thread and I will murder you like I am doing here!
If only 14% of Zambians have access to electricity how does that constitute a NATIONAL grid? Do you know what a national grid means?
It means a grid covering the entire nation and most of the population. So by ANY definition there is no "national grid" in Zambia or most of Africa for that matter. MOST AFRICANS do not have access to electricity because there is no true national grid. The only grid that exists is to supply power to the major industries, primarily mines and farms, which are primarily NOT owned by blacks.
LOL!
Meaning of National Grid:
quote:A National Grid is a power or energy supply system for a nation. They are called this because the network of supply lines from various generating or storage sources forms a grid in a mathematical sense, as there is usually more than one supply line to most points (or grid nodes).
......................
National grids do not necessarily cover the entire country, especially in poorer or less populated areas.
Dog, white people don't own the electricity in Zambia. Who owns the Electricity Company of Zambia: The Zambian people, the state of Zambia.
quote: Zambia Electricity Supply Corporation Limited (ZESCO) is a state-owned power company in Zambia. It is the Zambian the largest power company producing about 80% of the electricity consumed in the country. ZESCO represents Zambia in the Southern African Power Pool.
The grid used by the Zambian government to supply electricity to its people is the national grid.
There is no requirement that it must traverse the entire nation before it is called a national grid.
That is your white boi twist, you pale dog!
Earlier you declared that only whites and their companies had electricity in Zambia.
Now you have been reduced to hot airs about the percentage of rural Black Zambians with access to the National Grid.
Pink Dog, India, a major industrial power has serious problems with connecting its rural population.
Close to 87% of India's rural population have no power, does that mean India is now colonized and enslaved by white people?
Same situation in Brazil, China, and many parts of Eastern Europe.
Those are called Developing Countries. Nothing mysterious in that. Developing countries will develop!
Your other issue was that we Africans were fools to deal with men like Guy Scott, a white man raised up in Zambia.
India is being ruled by an Italian woman today, Sonia Ghandi, are they fools?
How dare you cry false crocodile tears about how whites were lording it over Zambians, when there are no whites (strictly speaking) in Zambia?
And how black Zambians were all slaves, had no ..to none existent white Zambians.
It is no secret that Africa is a developing continent, a youthful continent.
What is evil about you is your wicked spells against Africans, against our leaders, against our future prospect, like an evil wizard, sending malevolent wishes on a people who did nothing to him.
But you have failed miserably.
You and the other multiple names you registered which you use to support your self in hard times like this....
quote: For many Chinese entrepreneurs, Africa is seen as a continent of opportunity. Now even small businessmen are arriving in force - and some local traders in Zambia just cannot compete.
If you want to get an idea of how China is reshaping the world economy just try to buy a chicken in the Zambian capital, Lusaka.
The city's main market is hot, humid and very, very busy.
As you push your way through the crowds, the hawkers and traders will shout and cajole, offering you almost every product imaginable.
You will probably not see a single non-African there. Until, that is, you get to where the chickens are sold.
Here you will see a row of trucks piled high with cages, each packed with plump white chickens all fussing and squawking.
The African shoppers will be weighing the birds in their hands and looking their prospective purchases in the eye.
In the background you might spot the owners of the trucks - Chinese men and women holding wads of money and making sure things go smoothly.
quote: It cannot be disputed that Zimbabwe was once a glorious country under the leadership of President Robert Mugabe. The country was among the giants of development in the world. It has also been a vehicle for development in many developing countries such as South Africa, China, India and developed countries such as Britain, the US, Canada to mention just a few, through the country.s mineral and human resources. Today, Zambia is considered an agricultural country with agricultural products being exported to many parts of the African continent if not the whole world. Yet a decade or so ago Zambia was a struggling importer of agricultural products. Zambia and many other countries relied heavily on Zimbabwe for food and other materials. Zimbabwe unwittingly promoted Zambia to the position of agricultural products exporter when our Zimbabwean white farmers were booted out of the country.
Uganda under Idi Amin expelled all the Asians out of the country. It goes without saying that countries near and around Uganda benefited from the skills of Asians. Like Uganda, Zimbabwe has been struggling for the past decade to feed its ever growing population.
Why should we struggle to feed ourselves when we are a super agricultural country?
Our leaders are too proud to admit failure in their policies towards our commercial farmers. It is true that the indigenous people needed land but did we solve that problem by commercial farm invasions? Many Zimbabweans could have been settled on these farms if the government had done the exercise correctly. However this was not done.
I am not saying that white farmers are better than our black farmers but they were better established and had worked our virgin land into productive farms. Zimbabwean black farmers would have learnt a lot if the white farmers were asked to help them. No one is disputing our need for land distribution but expelling commercial farmers the way we did was like throwing away the baby together with the bath water.
Commercial farmers may not be as vindictive as many people fear. With a genuine accord and a promise of no hindrance, commercial farmers are willing to forgive and begin to develop Zimbabwe to its past glory.
quote: canning the trampled patch of farmland where wheat should be growing. "Wildlife are a big headache here," he says, kneeling down and running his fingers over the crops crushed by the African cousin of our own red deer.
"Down on another farm of ours, we have elephants breaking the electric fence. It's on an old elephant trail, so of course they don't know, but they broke half a kilometre recently. Then the buffaloes came in, about 50, so we had to call the wildlife service because it.s illegal to shoot them."
To the average Irish farmer, it might sound like an unusual complaint, but then Grogan (48) doesnt run your average Irish farm. His 200 million a year company Zambeef owns 50,000 hectares of land across Zambia, slaughtering 60,000 cattle and 3.5 million chickens a year, making it one of Africa.s largest agri-food businesses.
And that is just Agriculture. Maize, beef and tobacco are some of the largest crops and the biggest exporters/producers of these crops are guess who? NON African Zambians.
And as for copper, I already posted a video showing who runs that.
And this is where the electricity goes: the mines and the farms followed by the cities. And I already posted images of the white schools and towns in Zambia where whites live a suburban American lifestyle with electricity of course. But you will deny that as usual.
Keep in mind that Zambia was once part of Rhodesia and therefore the white farmers moving back and forth is nothing new. They have been doing it since the colony was set up. The only folks limited by the borders are the Africans themselves.
quote: Ten years ago, James and Rita Chance were forced off their thriving tobacco, maize and cattle farm in Zimbabwe. Since then, they have made a success of tobacco farming in Zambia, which they now regard as their home. Heather Dugmore reports.
It.s 5am on what promises to be a hot, humid day on James and Rita Chance's 1.840ha tobacco farm, 25km from the town of Choma in southern Zambia. James discusses the day.s work with his Zambian farm manager, Claude Bukoka, and together they give instructions to the workers. These are mostly men and women who live on their own small-scale or subsistence farms on the neighbouring property, which is owned by the local chief. James employs between 80 and 120 staff, depending on the season.
quote: The vision unfolding across the Mkushi plain in Zambia is at odds with the doleful imagery of modern Africa to which we have become accustomed.
Three hours from the capital Lusaka the wheat crop glows under the tropical sun. A combine harvester moves methodically across one portion of a vast field. Nearby a giant sprinkler irrigates the soya bean crop.
One might as easily be standing on the plains of the American Mid-West or among the grain fields of the Ukraine.
These are fields of plenty, a productive Africa that challenges the narrative of conflict and hunger that so dominates our idea of the continent.
"If we just increased the yields to 80% of world averages, Africa would become a net exporter of food. We believe that Africa can feed itself and the rest of the world too," Dabney Tonelli of Chayton Africa, the British-owned company that manages the 25,000 acre farm at Mkushi, says.
This last story brings it all together: World Bank, Zimbabwean white farmers (settlers), American technology and of course black slaves. Sure looks like a hand full of white folks enslaving Africans to me. As a MATTER OF FACT the history of colonization in Africa was the story of a hand full of white folks enslaving a whole continent of blacks. Who the heck do you think you are kidding? I mean whites were ALWAYS a minority in their African colonies. For example, South Africa.
Africans been in Africa how many thousands of years? And you mean to tell me white folks, Asians and other foreigners get "LAND RIGHTS" before the Africans? That is the main reason Africans are poor and it is because THEIR TRAITOROUS @SS governments work for foreigners. They "hold the land" what the hell is that? You mean to tell me you don't give DEED AND TITLE to the NATIVES of the land? Why not? It is theirs isn't it? And this is neo-colonialism at its best. No land rights for the population therefore they cannot get loans, cannot have large commercial farms and cannot have a REAL ECONOMY because nobody recognizes them as being part of the economy except as peasant workers.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
More irrelevant spamming, off point and a useless distraction.
Point on the table is that you lied.
You claimed Zambia had no electricity.
We proved you lied.
You claimed Kenya had only white school.
We proved you lied.
The rest is fluff and puffery
Here lying white boy: Read the history so far:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: More "po white folks" in South Africa...
blah..blah..blah..
More irrelevant dogging.
OP is on ZAMBIA.
Do you still insist that Zambia has no national electricity grid?
Do you still claim that all black Zambians have no electricity?
Do you still claim that Zambia is a plantation economy?
Malevolent Doug, you are nothing but an ignorant picture spamming white boi, trying to use inverse psychology to insult black people.
If you want to talk South Africa, open another thread and I will murder you like I am doing here!
If only 14% of Zambians have access to electricity how does that constitute a NATIONAL grid? Do you know what a national grid means?
It means a grid covering the entire nation and most of the population. So by ANY definition there is no "national grid" in Zambia or most of Africa for that matter. MOST AFRICANS do not have access to electricity because there is no true national grid. The only grid that exists is to supply power to the major industries, primarily mines and farms, which are primarily NOT owned by blacks.
LOL!
Meaning of National Grid:
quote:A National Grid is a power or energy supply system for a nation. They are called this because the network of supply lines from various generating or storage sources forms a grid in a mathematical sense, as there is usually more than one supply line to most points (or grid nodes).
......................
National grids do not necessarily cover the entire country, especially in poorer or less populated areas.
Dog, white people don't own the electricity in Zambia. Who owns the Electricity Company of Zambia: The Zambian people, the state of Zambia.
quote: Zambia Electricity Supply Corporation Limited (ZESCO) is a state-owned power company in Zambia. It is the Zambian the largest power company producing about 80% of the electricity consumed in the country. ZESCO represents Zambia in the Southern African Power Pool.
You and the other multiple names you registered which you use to support your self in hard times like this....
LMBAO @ this chump!
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Dog you stinky liar, Mkushi is not the CENTER of Zambia's agriculture. Post a citation besides your weak lies proving your claims.
Also, being the liar you are, when you cut and pasted the article about Mkushi from the BBC worldnews, you conveniently edited this part.
I hereby reproduce it for all well wishers of Africa:
quote: Hired Zimbabwean expertise
White farmers who were driven off their land in Zimbabwe have been hired to run the Chayton operation, bringing with them the intensive farming skills they have honed over decades.
The farm manager at Mkushi, Stuart Kearns, became a full-time farmer as a teenager after his father was killed in the Bush War in what was then Rhodesia. Despite his experiences in Zimbabwe he is optimistic about the future of farming in Zambia:
"There is huge potential here and I think the thing with Africa is that you have to keep trying again and again. That is something you learn when you grow up here."
Chayton promises to "create jobs, introduce sustainable farming methods… provide support and training to small-scale farmers".
Zambia's vice-president Dr Guy Scott voiced concern about job losses
But there are considerable obstacles - poor infrastructure and bureaucracy stand in the way of Zambia becoming a major exporter of food to the continent. At the moment Chayton is only producing for the local market.
And in an interview with Newsnight, the country's new vice-president, Dr Guy Scott, a farmer himself, was sceptical of some of the claims made by the company:
"I am very sceptical because I've been around a lot and I know what proposals look like and what justifications look like in the investment game and I would say that 90% of what is promised turns out not to be true… not necessarily because of any venality or any deliberate fraud.
"I mean people hope for the best. They hope it is going to work. And the government hopes it is going to work. And we all get each others hopes up. And then you find 'oh dear we didn't actually succeed in having the social impact or economic impact we'd hoped for'."
Displacement fears
Dr Scott worries about the social impact of job losses due to more intensive farming where machines take the place of people:
Local small-scale farmers complain about problems securing capital
"I think the main problem is that the population for Zambia is that the population is about four times too big for the economy. And I think that is the danger with large scale intensive farming; it tends to be capital intensive, it tends not to create jobs and at the same time tends to displace people who are unemployed from their fallback position which is to be subsistence farmers."
Chayton acknowledge that their modernised farming methods have already led to job losses, but insist that as the business grows it will create employment in spin-off businesses:
"Yes, over time some of the less skilled work goes as a result of mechanisation, but we are building a large scale business so over time we are creating other jobs," Ms Tonelli says.
"What we are able to do is train people to do highly skilled jobs which they can continue to use in a career in agriculture of transfer to other sectors as well."
Hehe..my albino "muurish" fambily... Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: ....blah...blah...blah
This last story brings it all together: World Bank, Zimbabwean white farmers (settlers), American technology and of course black slaves. Sure looks like a hand full of white folks enslaving Africans to me. As a MATTER OF FACT the history of colonization in Africa was the story of a hand full of white folks enslaving a whole continent of blacks. Who the heck do you think you are kidding? I mean whites were ALWAYS a minority in their African colonies. For example, South Africa.
Africans been in Africa how many thousands of years? And you mean to tell me white folks, Asians and other foreigners get "LAND RIGHTS" before the Africans? That is the main reason Africans are poor and it is because THEIR TRAITOROUS @SS governments work for foreigners. They "hold the land" what the hell is that? You mean to tell me you don't give DEED AND TITLE to the NATIVES of the land? Why not? It is theirs isn't it? And this is neo-colonialism at its best. No land rights for the population therefore they cannot get loans, cannot have large commercial farms and cannot have a REAL ECONOMY because nobody recognizes them as being part of the economy except as peasant workers.
Dog, Zambia has a liberal economy and land can be leased for agriculture by any person of means for between 14 years and 90 years.
This can be renewed.
Dog Zambia is different from Zimbabwe. There were no major land seizures in Zambia by albinos.
By 1964 albinos all fled Zambia following the liberation.
Zambia was a frontline state during the struggles to free Zimbabwe and South Africa.
Zambia could be low income, it could be poorly managed, but it is a revolutionary African state, where there is virtually no existent albino political class.
And of course in a cosmopolitan Zambia, like a cosmopolitan America, different people are welcome to contribute economically.
Diversity is strenght.
You for example live on dole in England. Not everyone has to be successful, so people like you are permitted to live on social assistance. Diversity at work... Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Doug the malevolent dog claims Zambians are slaves in Zambia.
Well, let's examine this claim.
Who rules Zambia?
Zambian parliament:
Zambian Chief Justice
Zambian President
Sorry, Dog the malevolent liar.
Did that hurt??? Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
Nice summery, now explain neocolonialism and imperialism by Europe!
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: Nice summery, now explain neocolonialism and imperialism by Europe! [/QB]
Don't worry about it the Chinese will correct it
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Update to this situation in South Africa:
Interview with Eugene Kasrils, leader of the ANC's armed wing before the end of apartheid and intelligence service after.
quote: It was a dire error on my part to focus on my own responsibilities and leave the economic issues to the ANC's experts. However, at the time, most of us never quite knew what was happening with the top-level economic discussions. As s Sampie Terreblanche has revealed in his critique, Lost in Transformation, by late 1993 big business strategies – hatched in 1991 at the mining mogul Harry Oppenheimer's Johannesburg residence – were crystallizing in secret late-night discussions at the Development Bank of South Africa. Present were South Africa's mineral and energy leaders, the bosses of US and British companies with a presence in South Africa – and young ANC economists schooled in western economics. They were reporting to Mandela, and were either outwitted or frightened into submission by hints of the dire consequences for South Africa should an ANC government prevail with what were considered ruinous economic policies.
All means to eradicate poverty, which was Mandela's and the ANC's sworn promise to the "poorest of the poor," were lost in the process. Nationalisation of the mines and heights of the economy as envisaged by the Freedom charter was abandoned. The ANC accepted responsibility for a vast apartheid-era debt, which should have been cancelled. A wealth tax on the super-rich to fund developmental projects was set aside, and domestic and international corporations, enriched by apartheid, were excused from any financial reparations. Extremely tight budgetary obligations were instituted that would tie the hands of any future governments; obligations to implement a free-trade policy and abolish all forms of tariff protection in keeping with neo-liberal free trade fundamentals were accepted. Big corporations were allowed to shift their main listings abroad. In Terreblanche's opinion, these ANC concessions constituted "treacherous decisions that [will] haunt South Africa for generations to come."
An ANC-Communist party leadership eager to assume political office (myself no less than others) readily accepted this devil's pact, only to be damned in the process. It has bequeathed an economy so tied in to the neoliberal global formula and market fundamentalism that there is very little room to alleviate the plight of most of our people.
Little wonder that their patience is running out; that their anguished protests increase as they wrestle with deteriorating conditions of life; that those in power have no solutions. The scraps are left go to the emergent black elite; corruption has taken root as the greedy and ambitious fight like dogs over a bone.
In South Africa in 2008 the poorest 50% received only 7.8% of total income. While 83% of white South Africans were among the top 20% of income receivers in 2008, only 11% of our black population were. These statistics conceal unmitigated human suffering. Little wonder that the country has seen such an enormous rise in civil protest.
A descent into darkness must be curtailed. I do not believe the ANC alliance is beyond hope. There are countless good people in the ranks. But a revitalization and renewal from top to bottom is urgently required. The ANC's soul needs to be restored; its traditional values and culture of service reinstated. The pact with the devil needs to be broken.
quote: NEW YORK—What is it that makes a rebel? Why does one willingly step outside society to destroy a system of power, break the law and risk persecution and even death for an ideal? As the state calcifies into corporate totalitarianism, as prominent rebels such as Julian Assange, Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden are defamed by a bankrupt media and political class and hunted down as criminals, as change through the established mechanisms of reform becomes impossible, as systems of power invert morality to silence and imprison the just, we are going to have to ask hard questions about what we are willing to endure to make a better world. For if we do not rebel, if we do not actively defy corporate power, we will steadily be herded like captive animals into pens where we will be watched, controlled, abused, exploited and finally cast aside when our bodies and our minds are deemed superfluous by the corporate state. It is not enough to interpret the world. We must change it.
Rebels at the inception of struggle are vilified. They are few in number. They are ostracized by the wider society. They are left to brood in shadows where the organs of state security track and hunt them like prey. These rebels of history must become our tutors. To discuss the nature of rebellion, I recently met with Ronnie Kasrils, who was a leader of the armed wing of the African National Congress when the group was fighting South Africa's government and who from 2004 to 2008 was minister for intelligence services in the ANC government.
Kasrils, white, middle class and Jewish, turned his back on his race and his class to join the African National Congress as a 22-year-old in 1960. A year later he became a member of the South African Communist Party. He was a founding member, along with Nelson Mandela, of Umkhonto we Sizwe (MK), or Spear of the Nation, the armed wing of the ANC. He served as the commander of the Natal Regional Command and underwent military training in 1964 in Odessa, in the Soviet Union. As a leader in the MK, Kasrils carried out sabotage and bombings of state infrastructure and industrial sites. Although a 1983 MK guerrilla attack left 19 civilians dead and a 1986 raid killed three civilians and injured 73 others, Kasrils points out that overall only a small number of whites died in the struggle while tens of thousands of blacks were slaughtered by the apartheid state.
Eugene Kasrils was not a part of the ANC armed struggle and certainly not the head of the Um Kontho Sizwe the ANC armed wing.
The head of Umkotho was Mr Zuma the present president of South Africa.
Dog not only are you malicious, but you are a liar!
Fiyah fi ya pink pale hypocritical and malicious ass!
quote:Barack Obama has paid tribute to Nelson Mandela during his visit to South Africa.
Out of deference to the ailing anti-apartheid leader’s peace and comfort there will be no hospital visit, according to the White House. There will be a private meeting with members of the Mandela family, “to offer their thoughts and prayers at this difficult time,” the statement added.
After wide-ranging bilateral talks in Pretoria with his South African counterpart Jacob Zuma, the US president said the fate of the man he calls his “personal hero” was key in his thoughts.
“The struggle here, against apartheid, for freedom, Madiba’s moral courage, this country’s historic transition to a free and democratic nation, has been a personal inspiration to me, an inspiration to the world and continues to be,” said Obama.
During the weekend Obama is scheduled to visit Robben Island where Mandela passed 18 of the 27 years he spent in apartheid prisons.
Theman's name Is Ronnie Kasrils not Eugene and it is a Guardian UK article he wrote himself not an interview.
wikipedia:
Ronald Kasrils (commonly known as Ronnie Kasrils) (born 15 November 1938) is a South African politician. He was Minister for Intelligence Services from 27 April 2004 to 25 September 2008. He was a member of the National Executive Committee (NEC) of the African National Congress (ANC) from 1987 to 2007 as well as a member of the Central Committee of the South African Communist Party (SACP) from December 1986 to 2007.
The Sharpeville massacre radicalised Kasrils against the Apartheid system and he joined the African National Congress (ANC) in 1960, becoming secretary of the Congress of Democrats in Natal in 1961, the same year he joined the South African Communist Party. In 1962, he received a five-year banning order prohibiting him from public speaking. He was a founding member of Umkhonto we Sizwe (MK) as member of Natal Regional Command during the same year. He became the commander of Natal Regional Command in 1963. He underwent military training in 1964 in Odessa, USSR and at the end of 1965 was sent to London to work for the movement there. During this time Kasrils worked with Yusuf Dadoo, Joe Slovo and Jack Hodgson and they formed a special committee (1966–76) to develop underground activities in South Africa from the United Kingdom. During this time he trained various people including Raymond Suttner, Jeremy Cronin, Ahmed Timol, Alex Moumbaris, Tim Jenkins and Dave and Sue Rabkin, with the aim of establishing underground propaganda units in South Africa. He served the ANC and was based in London, Luanda, Maputo, Swaziland, Botswana and Lusaka. Kasrils eventually became a member of MK's High Command and was appointed as Chief of MK Intelligence in 1983.
Kasrils also served on the ANC's Politico-Military Council from 1985 to 1989 and worked underground for the ANC in South Africa during Operation Vula from 1990 to 1991. He went on to head the ANC's campaign section from 1991 to 1994.
"Whatever the drawbacks and failures I am convinced that in years to come humanity will look back to Soviet achievements as a source of profound inspiration" --R. Kasrils, Armed and Dangerous.
^^^ this is his more recent June 21 2013 guardian article on the ANC
Armed and Dangerous: My Undercover Struggle Against Apartheid 1993
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recent BBC article and video (link at bottom)
Do white people have a future in South Africa?
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By John Simpson World Affairs Editor, BBC News
Who is poor in South Africa? Average annual black income in 2011: $2,300 Mixed-race (coloured): $4,300 Asian: $7.700 White: $17,500 Source: South African Institute of Race Relations
Share of income in South Africa 1993 and 2008
I went to a little town called Geluik -
Apartheid South Africa looked after white people and nobody else. Now some of its white communities face a level of deprivation, or of violence, which threatens their future in the country.
Everyone here, regardless of colour, tells you that white people are still riding high.
They run the economy. They have a disproportionate amount of influence in politics and the media. They still have the best houses and most of the best jobs.
All of this is true but it is not the only picture.
Look below the surface and you will find poverty and a sense of growing vulnerability.
The question I have come to South Africa to answer is whether white people genuinely have a future here.
The answer, as with so many similar existential questions, is "Yes - but…"
It seems to me that only certain parts of the white community really have a genuine future here: the better-off, more adaptable parts.
Working-class white people, most of them Afrikaans-speakers, are going through an intense crisis. But you will not read about it in the newspapers or see it reported on television because their plight seems to be something arising out of South Africa's bad old past - a past which everyone, black and white, would like to forget.
According to one leading political activist, Mandla Nyaqela, this is the after-effect of the huge degree of selfishness and brutality which was shown towards the black population under apartheid.
"It is having its effect on whites today, even though they still own a share of South Africa's wealth which is entirely disproportionate," he said.
That may all be true. But the people who are suffering now are the weakest and most vulnerable members of the white community.
Ernst Roets, a leading Afrikaans campaigner from the AfriForum organisation, took me to a squatter camp outside the country's capital, Pretoria. A white squatter camp.
It has been set up on the property of a sympathetic white farmer and is called, optimistically, Sonskyn Hoekie - Sunshine Corner.
There are broken-down cars and bits of discarded furniture everywhere. Beyond the wooden shacks lie ditches and pools of dirty, stagnant water where mosquitoes breed. Two basic toilets serve the whole camp.
According to Roets there are 80 white squatter camps - many of them bigger than this - in the Pretoria area alone. Across South Africa as a whole he believes there could be as many as 400,000 poor whites in conditions like these.
Sonskyn Hoekie has no water and no electricity. The inhabitants live on two hand-out meals of maize porridge a day, which is provided by local volunteers. There is no social security for them, no lifeline - any more than there was for non-whites when apartheid ruled.
"I don't want to live in a place like this," said Frans de Jaeger, a former bricklayer, who with his beard and wrinkled face looks like one of the old Voortrekkers.
"But I can't get out."
His wife died suddenly of cancer a few years ago and it sent him into a downward spiral of binge drinking and destitution.
Semi-skilled white people have little chance of getting a job when so many black South Africans are unemployed.
There is another group of white Afrikaners, far higher up the social scale, who are deeply threatened - in this case, literally. Virtually every week the press here report the murders of white farmers, though you will not hear much about it in the media outside South Africa.
In South Africa you are twice as likely to be murdered if you are a white farmer than if you are a police officer - and the police here have a particularly dangerous life. The killings of farmers are often particularly brutal.
Ernst Roets's organisation has published the names of more than 2,000 people who have died over the last two decades. The government has so far been unwilling to make solving and preventing these murders a priority. I went to a little town called Geluik - happiness. A few weeks ago gunmen burst into the farm shop there and opened fire, killing one farmer outright and injuring one of his sons and a shopworker.
They stole next to nothing. It seemed to be a deliberate, targeted killing. Soon afterwards the son died of his injuries.
Belinda van Nord, the daughter and sister of the men who died, told me how dangerous the lives of white people in the countryside have become. The police, she said, had seemed to show little interest in this case.
In the little graveyard where her father and brother are buried there are two other graves of farmers murdered recently. The wonderful landscape which surrounds it has become a killing ground.
There used to be 60,000 white farmers in South Africa. In 20 years that number has halved.
In the old days, the apartheid system looked after whites and did very little for anyone else. Nowadays white people here are on their own.
Those who fit in and succeed will certainly have a future. As for the rest, there are no guarantees whatsoever.
BBC News: The Editors features the BBC's on-air specialists asking questions which reveal deeper truths about their areas of expertise. It is available on the BBC iPlayer and is also on BBC World News.
How the ANC's Faustian pact sold out South Africa's poorest In the early 1990s, we in the leadership of the ANC made a serious error. Our people still paying the price
Lonmin mineworkers pay their respects to Mpuzeni Ngxande, one of the 34 miners killed by police on 16 August near the Marikana mine. 'The Sharpeville massacre in 1960 prompted me to join the ANC. I found Marikana even more distressing: a democratic South Africa was meant to end such barbarity.'
South Africa's young people today are known as the Born Free generation. They enjoy the dignity of being born into a democratic society with the right to vote and choose who will govern. But modern South Africa is not a perfect society. Full equality – social and economic – does not exist, and control of the country's wealth remains in the hands of a few, so new challenges and frustrations arise. Veterans of the anti-apartheid struggle like myself are frequently asked whether, in the light of such disappointment, the sacrifice was worth it. While my answer is yes, I must confess to grave misgivings: I believe we should be doing far better.
There have been impressive achievements since the attainment of freedom in 1994: in building houses, crčches, schools, roads and infrastructure; the provision of water and electricity to millions; free education and healthcare; increases in pensions and social grants; financial and banking stability; and slow but steady economic growth (until the 2008 crisis at any rate). These gains, however, have been offset by a breakdown in service delivery, resulting in violent protests by poor and marginalised communities; gross inadequacies and inequities in the education and health sectors; a ferocious rise in unemployment; endemic police brutality and torture; unseemly power struggles within the ruling party that have grown far worse since the ousting of Mbeki in 2008; an alarming tendency to secrecy and authoritarianism in government; the meddling with the judiciary; and threats to the media and freedom of expression. Even Nelson Mandela's privacy and dignity are violated for the sake of a cheap photo opportunity by the ANC's top echelon.
Most shameful and shocking of all, the events of Bloody Thursday – 16 August 2012 – when police massacred 34 striking miners at Marikana mine, owned by the London-based Lonmin company. The Sharpeville massacre in 1960 prompted me to join the ANC. I found Marikana even more distressing: a democratic South Africa was meant to bring an end to such barbarity. And yet the president and his ministers, locked into a culture of cover-up. Incredibly, the South African Communist party, my party of over 50 years, did not condemn the police either.
South Africa's liberation struggle reached a high point but not its zenith when we overcame apartheid rule. Back then, our hopes were high for our country given its modern industrial economy, strategic mineral resources (not only gold and diamonds), and a working class and organised trade union movement with a rich tradition of struggle. But that optimism overlooked the tenacity of the international capitalist system. From 1991 to 1996 the battle for the ANC's soul got under way, and was eventually lost to corporate power: we were entrapped by the neoliberal economy – or, as some today cry out, we "sold our people down the river".
What I call our Faustian moment came when we took an IMF loan on the eve of our first democratic election. That loan, with strings attached that precluded a radical economic agenda, was considered a necessary evil, as were concessions to keep negotiations on track and take delivery of the promised land for our people. Doubt had come to reign supreme: we believed, wrongly, there was no other option; that we had to be cautious, since by 1991 our once powerful ally, the Soviet union, bankrupted by the arms race, had collapsed. Inexcusably, we had lost faith in the ability of our own revolutionary masses to overcome all obstacles. Whatever the threats to isolate a radicalising South Africa, the world could not have done without our vast reserves of minerals. To lose our nerve was not necessary or inevitable. The ANC leadership needed to remain determined, united and free of corruption – and, above all, to hold on to its revolutionary will. Instead, we chickened out. The ANC leadership needed to remain true to its commitment of serving the people. This would have given it the hegemony it required not only over the entrenched capitalist class but over emergent elitists, many of whom would seek wealth through black economic empowerment, corrupt practices and selling political influence.
To break apartheid rule through negotiation, rather than a bloody civil war, seemed then an option too good to be ignored. However, at that time, the balance of power was with the ANC, and conditions were favourable for more radical change at the negotiating table than we ultimately accepted. It is by no means certain that the old order, apart from isolated rightist extremists, had the will or capability to resort to the bloody repression envisaged by Mandela's leadership. If we had held our nerve, we could have pressed forward without making the concessions we did.
It was a dire error on my part to focus on my own responsibilities and leave the economic issues to the ANC's experts. However, at the time, most of us never quite knew what was happening with the top-level economic discussions. As s Sampie Terreblanche has revealed in his critique, Lost in Transformation, by late 1993 big business strategies – hatched in 1991 at the mining mogul Harry Oppenheimer's Johannesburg residence – were crystallising in secret late-night discussions at the Development Bank of South Africa. Present were South Africa's mineral and energy leaders, the bosses of US and British companies with a presence in South Africa – and young ANC economists schooled in western economics. They were reporting to Mandela, and were either outwitted or frightened into submission by hints of the dire consequences for South Africa should an ANC government prevail with what were considered ruinous economic policies.
All means to eradicate poverty, which was Mandela's and the ANC's sworn promise to the "poorest of the poor", were lost in the process. Nationalisation of the mines and heights of the economy as envisaged by the Freedom charter was abandoned. The ANC accepted responsibility for a vast apartheid-era debt, which should have been cancelled. A wealth tax on the super-rich to fund developmental projects was set aside, and domestic and international corporations, enriched by apartheid, were excused from any financial reparations. Extremely tight budgetary obligations were instituted that would tie the hands of any future governments; obligations to implement a free-trade policy and abolish all forms of tariff protection in keeping with neo-liberal free trade fundamentals were accepted. Big corporations were allowed to shift their main listings abroad. In Terreblanche's opinion, these ANC concessions constituted "treacherous decisions that [will] haunt South Africa for generations to come".
An ANC-Communist party leadership eager to assume political office (myself no less than others) readily accepted this devil's pact, only to be damned in the process. It has bequeathed an economy so tied in to the neoliberal global formula and market fundamentalism that there is very little room to alleviate the plight of most of our people.
Little wonder that their patience is running out; that their anguished protests increase as they wrestle with deteriorating conditions of life; that those in power have no solutions. The scraps are left go to the emergent black elite; corruption has taken root as the greedy and ambitious fight like dogs over a bone.
In South Africa in 2008 the poorest 50% received only 7.8% of total income. While 83% of white South Africans were among the top 20% of income receivers in 2008, only 11% of our black population were. These statistics conceal unmitigated human suffering. Little wonder that the country has seen such an enormous rise in civil protest.
A descent into darkness must be curtailed. I do not believe the ANC alliance is beyond hope. There are countless good people in the ranks. But a revitalisation and renewal from top to bottom is urgently required. The ANC's soul needs to be restored; its traditional values and culture of service reinstated. The pact with the devil needs to be broken.
At present the impoverished majority do not see any hope other than the ruling party, although the ANC's ability to hold those allegiances is deteriorating. The effective parliamentary opposition reflects big business interests of various stripes, and while a strong parliamentary opposition is vital to keep the ANC on its toes, most voters want socialist policies, not measures inclined to serve big business interests, more privatisation and neoliberal economics.
This does not mean it is only up to the ANC, SACP and Cosatu to rescue the country from crises. There are countless patriots and comrades in existing and emerging organised formations who are vital to the process. Then there are the legal avenues and institutions such as the public protector's office and human rights commission that – including the ultimate appeal to the constitutional court – can test, expose and challenge injustice and the infringement of rights. The strategies and tactics of the grassroots – trade unions, civic and community organisations, women's and youth groups – signpost the way ahead with their non-violent and dignified but militant action.
The space and freedom to express one's views, won through decades of struggle, are available and need to be developed. We look to the Born Frees as the future torchbearers.
• This is an edited extract from the new introduction to his autobiography, Armed and Dangerous
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A quiet American epidemic Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:13PM 19
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Marian Wright Edelman, Huffington Post
Thirteen-year-old Michael Graham, an eighth grader at Henry H. Wells Middle School in Brewster, New York, was popular with his classmates and played football, basketball, and lacrosse. But this year on January 14th, Michael committed suicide using a pistol he had found in his home. Michael’s father had three unregistered handguns in the house: a .40 caliber, a 9mm, and a .44 Magnum.
On February 5th, the grandmother of 15-year-old Steven Keele reported her grandson missing. She went to take a bath and came out to find him gone. Authorities found Steven the next day, dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound at the edge of a field behind his grandmother’s home in Limestone County, Alabama. His grandmother doesn’t know where Steven got the gun.
On March 11th, a New Hampshire police chief left his service gun on top of the safe in his closet when he went to run some errands. It was there that his girlfriend’s son, 15-year-old Jacob Carver, found it. Later that day, Jacob shot himself in the stomach with the gun. Jacob was a freshman at Timberlane Regional High School where he was a member of the school’s football and freshman wrestling teams. He was remembered as “a goofball and a free spirit who had a great sense of humor and always made people laugh.”
To some people each of these boys probably seemed like any other teenager in their communities -- young people with ups and downs, but who should have had the rest of their lives ahead of them. No one but them might have been able to predict when those ups and downs would become too much. But when that moment came, Michael, Steven, and Jacob all sadly had something in common: access to a gun. Now all three are among this year’s child victims of a quiet but widespread American epidemic.
In 2010, 19,392 Americans, including 749 children and teenagers, killed themselves with a gun. Boys were eight times more likely than girls to die in a gun suicide. A little over one in four (28 percent) gun deaths in children and teens were suicides and 66 percent were homicides.
For adults 20 and older, it was almost the reverse. Two out of three deaths (65 percent) were suicides and 32 percent were homicides. Almost 88 percent of the victims of gun suicides of all ages were White, but for children and teens, American Indian or Alaska Native children and teens had the highest rate of gun suicide, nearly twice as high as White children and teens.
Gun suicides have contributed to a terrible overall trend: Suicide has now overtaken car accidents as the leading cause of injury-related deaths for the total population in the United States.
As with all gun deaths, there are multiple victims when a suicide occurs. Family members, friends, teachers, and coaches often struggle with guilt about signs they missed or extra steps they could have taken.
Some people argue these tragic deaths would all have taken place no matter what and the same victims who killed themselves with guns would have simply used other means if they had not had access to guns. But studies show this is not true.
An estimated 94 percent of gun-related suicides would not occur if no guns were present. In fact, having a gun in the home makes the likelihood of suicide three to five times higher. One simple reason is that most suicide attempts are not successful, and nine out of ten people who survive a suicide attempt eventually go on to die from something else.
Using a gun makes a terrible difference: Experts estimate suicide attempts using guns are as much as 90 percent likely to succeed. This is especially tragic for teenagers, who may lack the experience and perspective to know how to cope with highs and lows triggered by brain chemistry they can’t always control. The simple presence of a gun can make what otherwise might have been a temporary period of depression or momentary despair fatal.
When it comes to guns and suicide, especially in young people, there are things we can do. Access to guns is itself considered a risk factor for teenage suicide. There are many common sense ways to limit child access to guns. More than half of youths who commit suicide with a gun obtain the gun from their own homes, usually a parent’s gun. Parents who own guns should store them unloaded and locked, and make sure their children don’t know how to access the gun. Parents whose children are going through tough times can temporarily remove guns from their homes to make sure their children can’t access them.
I hope all of us will oppose laws -- like the one passed in Florida in 2011 but later invalidated in a legal challenge -- that prevent medical professionals from asking about guns in the home and providing counseling about how to prevent gun injuries and deaths.
We can do better. What we can’t do is pretend the guns themselves don’t matter. As Harvard School of Public Health scholars Dr. Matthew Miller and Dr. David Hemenway put it, “Too many seem to believe that anyone who is serious enough about suicide to use a gun would find an equally effective means if a gun were not available. This belief is invalid... Effective suicide prevention should focus not only on a patient’s psychological condition but also on the availability of lethal means -- which can make the difference between life and death.”
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
LOL!
So now can we put that nonsense to rest about most Africans having electricity? Apparently the American president doesn't think so.
But that said, don't let Obama's announcements fool you. The global corporate elites have no intention on letting Africans get access to electricity on a large scale and that is because they want to steal the electricity and use it for themselves just like they do every other resource in Africa.
Even the president did one of his famous two steps turning around and saying that even though he wants power in Africa, he doesn't want Africans to have the same things that they have in the West. Pure PR designed to say one thing and be another.
quote: While speaking at a town hall event in Johannesburg, South Africa, President Obama said the planet would boil if people in Africa were allowed to have air conditioning, cars and big houses, CNS News reported Monday.
Ultimately, if you think about all the youth that everybody has mentioned here in Africa, if everybody is raising living standards to the point where everybody has got a car and everybody has got air conditioning, and everybody has got a big house, well, the planet will boil over -- unless we find new ways of producing energy,” he said.
So this whole plan by Obama is simply another "green screen" environmental scam designed to limit Africans actual access to energy, even while huge hydroelectric projects are developed to primarily run the mines owned by foreigners extracting the wealth out of Africa and their expatriate communities. Talk about hypocrisy and to top it off, the Africans are the ones going into debt for these projects but get none of the benefit.
quote: Last month, the government of the Democratic Republic of Congo announced in Paris that the construction of the first phase of a new set of energy projects at the country's Inga Falls would begin in October 2015. The new $12 billion development, dubbed Inga 3, is expected to have a power output of nearly 4,800 megawatts (MW), with South Africa agreeing to buy half of the electricity generated.
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With a length of 4,700 kilometers, the Congo is Africa's second biggest river, after the Nile, and the world's second largest river in terms of flow, after the Amazon. At the Grand Inga site, some 1.5 million cubic feet of water flow steadily through a network of cataracts every second, dropping about 100 meters to form the world's biggest waterfall by volume. Ethiopia builds infrastructure for growth Zambia's investment in infrastructure
Yet the power potential from the river's rapids has largely gone unexploited in a country plagued by violence and corruption for decades -- just 11.1% of the DRC's population has access to electricity, according to the World Bank.
Read this: Africa's new skyscraper cities
So far, the only two projects built to tap Congo's potential are two smaller dams -- Inga 1, commissioned in 1972, and Inga 2, a decade later. Both of them are almost exclusively used to provide energy for the mining companies in the southern DRC's copper belt but are currently undergoing extensive rehabilitation as they perform far below capacity.
Your albino people whom you surreptitiously try to make out like omnipresent and omnipotent gods, are indeed dying off this planet.
What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose it in the end.
Meanwhile Africa that was once written off as a basket case, is now become the bread basket of the world.
What do you think about this situation you malovent and malicious jealous Dog? Can you elucidate with your laughable and idiotic logic?
All you will ever amount to is a miserable Dog, on dole, the truly malevolent Mis-realite! Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Africa as the breadbasket of the world is the same as America as the breadbasket of the world. It is all based on slavery and genocide. I mean who on earth do you think you are kidding? It isn't like the farms exporting all that food is owned by Africans.
Lion you need to stop speaking nonsense.
You want to uphold Africa and that is fine but stop trying to paint a rosy picture that doesn't reflect reality.
The only one spouting nonsense from a European perspective is you.
quote: A ten year old girl, hit by a rubber bullet the previous day when local police forces entered the De-Doorns community shooting rubber bullets at the residents, resulting in one death and several injuries. Farm workers in the Western Cape, South Africa, have been striking for a wage rise - from 69 Rands (8$) a day to 150 Rands (17$) a day. January 9th marked the third strike in many farms around the Western Cape, and De-Doorns became the center of the struggle with workers blocking the N2 highway and clashing with police. In the last few days the police attacked the community, shooting rubber bullets and stun grenades. One person died and many were injured.
quote: A young resident of De-Doorns showing his wound after being shot in his face at close range by police with rubber bullets, Western cape, South Africa, January 11, 2013. Farm workers in the Western Cape, South Africa, have been striking for a wage rise - from 69 Rands (8$) a day to 150 Rands (17$) a day. January 9th marked the third strike in many farms around the Western Cape, and De-Doorns became the center of the struggle with workers blocking the N2 highway and clashing with police. After the clashes ended the police raided houses in the community, breaking doors and windows and shooting people with rubber bullets at close range in their homes.
No Africa isn't ALL bad but it isn't milk and honey either, at last not for Africans.
quote: South African farmworkers who have waged violent strikes since November are winning their battle for higher minimum wages. The victory may cost thousands their jobs, as farmers mechanize to guard supply contracts with clients such as Asda, Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT)'s U.K. chain.
Three people have died and packing sheds and vineyards have been torched in strike-related protests in the Western Cape, the nation's biggest fruit-producing region. Workers are demanding the minimum wage be raised to 150 rand ($17) a day from 70 rand. While the government will legislate new pay standards by April 1, some farmers have already agreed to increases.
South Africa exports about 12 billion rand worth of fruit a year. It accounts for about 11 percent of the world's table grape and pear shipments, and is the ninth largest wine producer, U.S. Department of Agriculture data shows. The farm strikes coincided with the peak harvesting season, placing the nation's reputation as a reliable supplier at stake and raising the risk of market share being lost to competitors such as Chile, according to Pretoria-based Agri SA, the main farmers' organization.
"We have had inquiries from our clients all over the world about the unrest," Pieter du Toit, managing director of Du Toit Group (Pty) Ltd., one of South Africa’s largest farming companies, whose clients include Asda and Edeka Zentrale AG & Co., Germany's biggest food retailer, said by phone from Ceres on Jan. 15. "I think they are spreading their risk to ensure supply. We will make mechanization a higher priority."
Now Apartheid and the Land Acts before that were all put in place to kick the Africans off the land so Europeans could create plantations and use the natives as slaves. This is nothing more than the same system the British and Europeans created in the Americas, South Asia and elsewhere that is the basis of the modern "global economy". It is inherently based on slavery, genocide and oppression. So what part of this don't you get? These people in South Africa are racists and no different than whites in the Americas or anywhere else. Blacks don't own or control anything.
But your dumb behind claims that Africa as the "breadbasket" of the world is somehow good for Africans....
And at this point most of the politicians in South Africa are simply FLUNKIES for the white corporations who serve on their boards while the corporations CONTINUE to enslave Africans and treat them like dirt in their own country. NOT ONE of these companies had to pay a DIME of reparations for the TRILLIONS of dollars in wealth stolen from South Africa from before or during Apartheid. And these sambo flunkies have NO INTENTION on forcing them to do so or to give back any land or recognize African sovereignty. They are only there to be SPOKESPEOPLE for these white corporations so that these corporations can appear legit while they continue to exploit and steal from Africans.
For example:
quote: A revered activist who was politically and romantically involved with the late Steve Biko has launched a party to challenge the governing African National Congress (ANC) and "rekindle the South Africa of our dreams".
Mamphela Ramphele said that dream had faded for people who endured poverty and inequality, the threat of a return to traditional rule in rural areas and a broken education system that had gone backwards since the end of racial apartheid.
"Our society's greatness is being fundamentally undermined by a massive failure of governance," she said at a launch event on Monday at the historic women's jail at Constitutional Hill. "Our country has lost the moral authority and international respect it enjoyed when it became a democracy."
The 65-year-old said her new organisation would be called Agang – "Let us build", in the Sesotho language – and would contest national elections next year.
Ramphele, who spent seven years under house arrest during white minority rule, was among the founders of Biko's black consciousness movement. The pair fell in love and had a daughter, who died aged two months, and a son, born after Biko was killed by apartheid police in 1977.
What Biko would think about today's South Africa if he had lived, and how he would respond, is a perennial subject of debate. "He would have been disappointed, as I am, that the country of our dreams is yet to become a reality in the lives of ordinary people," Ramphele told the Guardian.
"He would have been as committed as I am to put up his hand to make sure that we mobilise South Africans to build this country of our dreams and to make ours a modern, thriving 21st-century democracy."
Ramphele, who is not married, dismissed as "preposterous" the notion that she was Biko's political torchbearer. But she added: "There are those of our generation who remember not only with our minds but with our hearts, and I believe Steve Biko's imprint on my generation of activists is indelible. It is a rich heritage from which we are drawing. The fact that I'm able to engage with South Africans across the party political, colour and cultural divide is a tribute to the consciousness-raising that we all worked on.
"I don't have any inferiority complex against anybody, nor do I have any grudge against anybody. So I feel I am in a position to encourage other South Africans to put the country first. Let us self-identify as South Africans, not this shameful status right now where less than 10% are able to say 'I am a South African'. We can't talk about black consciousness. We must talk about a South African consciousness."
Notice how this woman is spouting this "we are the world" we are rainbow nation bull crap and we all need to live together bull crap. I mean who on earth is she talking to? She is saying all these things as if all groups were equally guilty of trying to make South Africa exclusive to one population. But last I checked, ONLY ONE group of people was promoting racism, exploitation and EXCLUSION over all others. So now white folks are all the same with the Indians, Asians and blacks in South Africa as a "rainbow" nation. And the fact that blacks are on the ABSOLUTE BOTTOM is simply just natural huh? Don't kick the white folks out, don't make them pay back anything, they didn't do anything wrong, look you can get a nice job too from these good white folks.... That is exactly why they put her there.
This is exactly the "party line" and agenda of all these white corporates who run south Africa. In fact, President Obama represents the SAME ANGLO corporate system. Make no mistake, the POTUS went it to South Africa to make it clear that corporate America and corporate South Africa are brothers and all one and unified..... AGAINST the Africans.
Here is Miss Ramphele's bio if you don't believe what I am saying:
quote: Continuing her academic studies, Ramphele received a Ph.D. in Social Anthropology from the University of Cape Town, a Bachelor of Commerce degree in Administration from the University of South Africa as well as diplomas in Tropical Health & Hygiene and Public Health from the University of the Witwatersrand. Ramphele has also authored and edited a number of books.
Ramphele joined the University of Cape Town as a research fellow in 1986 and was appointed as one of its Deputy Vice-Chancellors in 1991. She was appointed to the post of Vice-Chancellor of the university in September 1996, thereby becoming the first black woman to hold such a position at a South African university. Part of her executive job roles was to take charge of the University’s Equal Opportunity Policy Portfolio, with the aim of changing the culture of the institution. In 1994, Ramphele was a visiting scholar at the Kennedy School of Government in the United States of America (USA).
In 2000, Ramphele became one of the four Managing Directors of the World Bank. She was tasked with overseeing the strategic positioning and operations of the World Bank Institute as well as the Vice-Presidency of External Affairs. She is the first South African to hold this position.
Ramphele has served as a trustee of the Nelson Mandela Children's Fund, as the director of the Institute for a Democratic Alternative for South Africa (IDASA) and as a board member of the Anglo-American Corporation and Transnet.
Ramphele also serves as a trustee for The Link SA fund, a charitable organization that raises money to subsidise the tertiary education of South Africa's brightest underprivileged students. She also sits on the Board of the Mo Ibrahim Foundation, an organisation which supports good governance and great leadership in Africa.
She was voted 55th in the Top 100 Great South Africans in 2004, a survey portrayed as mired in controversy.
quote: GOLD Fields distanced itself from comments by former chairperson, Mamphela Ramphele, who said that the R54bn gold company agreed to government-nominated empowerment partners for its South Deep mine. However, the group confirmed it was investigating its black economic empowerment (BEE) transactions.
“Gold Fields values and respects the services to the company of its former chair, Dr Mamphela Ramphele,” the company said in a statement today.
“During her tenure, Dr Ramphele strongly supported the board’s decision to commission an independent investigation. Statements attributed in press reports yesterday (March 12) to Dr Ramphele represent her own personal views,” it said.
Gold Fields had retained the services of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison (Paul Weiss), a law firm, to undertake the investigation which is thought to extend to the 9% share in Gold Fields’ South Deep mine held by Invictus Gold, an empowerment grouping with some 73 shareholders.
Another corporate sponsored sellout clown being promoted as the "savior" of South Africa who is only really a savior of the white corporations who need black faces in high places to make black folks feel good while they CONTINUE to get oppressed.
quote: In one of the most optimistic developments in local politics in recent years, Black Consciousness Movement (BCM) forerunner Mamphela Ramphele looks set to enter South African politics. The weekend press reported that Ramphele said she was "entering politics to save her country".
A former anti-Apartheid activist, who was in a relationship with Steve Biko (SA’s most influential black consciousness leader) until he was murdered by security police, Ramphele was Biko’s intellectual companion and sounding-board, helping him frame many of his political ideas.
One of the most respected women in her own country, and across the globe, Ramphele is a medical doctor who has spent much of her life championing civic activism, human rights, education, self-actualisation and a value-centric approach to politicking. A former managing director of human development at the World Bank and one time Vice-Chancellor at the University of Cape Town, today Ramphele is more recognised as an outspoken critic of the Zuma regime, an agitator for systemic change in SA through civic organisations she’s created, and for her numerous business interests. The chair of the board at Gold Fields, Ramphele is also holds directorships at Anglo American, Medi-Clinic, and Remgro. She also chairs education finance specialists, EduLoan, and Circle Capital Ventures, the empowerment investment company founded with her son, Hlumelo Biko.
City Press claimed that an announcement from Ramphele was imminent, and that she’d travelled to the US, where she told audiences she was raising funds for a political party. The weekly newspaper stated that she’d been lobbying support from ambassadors abroad.
Former DA leader and ambassador to Argentina, Tony Leon, told City Press that he’d had independent confirmation of this news from at least two people who’d attended the meetings. “One of these meetings was in Boston, where she spoke at the residence of South African-born (retired) Chief Justice of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court, Margaret Marshall,” Leon told the weekly. “A friend of mine from South Africa was there. She said Ramphele was starting a political party and she was there to raise money,” said Leon.
And it is no coincidence that she was in the U.S. seeking funds. The corporate elites and their political flunkies want to model themselves after America, right down to the slavery, jim crow apartheid and white rule and black corporate flunky spokesmen.
ALL of these political parties, whether the ANC or the new Agang party are in bed with the WHITES and this is why they have DONE NOTHING for black people in South Africa. NOT ONE THING.
And this chick was not really that involved with Biko but they are using this as cover for the ignorant clowns that don't know her real history.
quote: As she became more involved in the BCM, she also fell in love with Steve Biko. However, she married an old boyfriend on a holiday break from school. Her marriage was a mistake and ended barely a year later. It was too late for her and Biko though. In light of her own marriage, he, in turn, married another. Still their affair continued and in May of 1974, she bore his child, a girl named Lerato, which means "love." Tragically the baby died at two months.
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