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Posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate (Member # 20039) on :
Good explanation. Thank you for posting this.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Ha,ha,ha,ha:
I have never read Keita, so I had no idea what an Ass he was.
In the video he asserts that though the Paupan/New Guineas look like Africans, they are NOT related to Africans.
He says they are "polytopic". The Definition of POLYTOPIC is: "occurring or originating in two or more disjunct areas." DISJUNCT means: discontinuous.
THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM THE WIKI:
New Guinea and Indonesian Papua; is a large Island in the southwest Pacific Ocean. It is the world's second-largest island, after Greenland, covering a land area of 786,000 km
The human presence on the island dates back at least 40,000 years to the oldest human migrations out of Africa. Research indicates that the highlands were an early and independent center of agriculture, with evidence of irrigation going back at least 10,000 years. Because of the time depth of its inhabitation and its highly fractured landscape, an unusually high number of languages are spoken on the island, with some 1,000 languages (a figure higher than that of most continents) having been catalogued out of an estimated world-wide pre-Columbian total of 6,000 human dialects. Most are classified as Papuan languages, a generally accepted geographical term that a minority of authors hold to be a genetic one. A number of Austronesian languages are spoken on the coast and on offshore islands.
In more recent millennia, another wave of people arrived on the shores of New Guinea. These were the Austronesian people, who had spread down from Taiwan, through the South-east Asian archipelago, colonising many of the islands on the way. The Austronesian people had technology and skills extremely well adapted to ocean voyaging and Austronesian language speaking people are present along much of the coastal areas and islands of New Guinea. These Austronesian migrants are considered the ancestors of most people in insular Southeast Asia, from Sumatra and Java to Borneo and Sulawesi, as well as coastal new Guinea.
In a 2005 study of ASPM gene variants, Mekel-Bobrov et al. found that the Papuan people have among the highest rate of the newly evolved ASPM haplogroup D, at 59.4% occurrence of the approximately 6,000-year-old allele. While it is not yet known exactly what selective advantage is provided by this gene variant, the haplogroup D allele is thought to be positively selected in populations and to confer some substantial advantage that has caused its frequency to rapidly increase.
According to various studies, Papuan people, other Melanesians, and Aboriginal Australians are the only known modern humans whose prehistoric ancestors interbred with the Denisova hominin, with whom they share 3–5% of their genome.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: Good explanation. Thank you for posting this.
You are one Bright Boy, aren't you?
As I recall, you're one of lamin's bright boys.
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
In the Video Dr. Keita attempts to explain Polytopicity , by claiming that although the Melanesians and Africans look similar they are not related because they speak different languages and possess disimilar genes.
Use of melanesians and Africans to exemplify Polytopicity was a bad analogy, because Africans and Melanesians are not only Negroes, they also share genes, placenames and language.
There is constant changes in the terminology for haplogroups as researchers attempt to imply that Africans carry one set of genes, and other populations outside Africa carry a different and unique set of genes. Although this is the case in many cases the populations are carrying African genes--whoes name has been changed to erase any unity between Sub-Saharan Africa and everyone else.
For example, Africans and Melanesians share haplogroups.
In fact, they also share common placenames. Shared place names in Melanesia suggest that the Melanesians recently came to the Pacific from Africa, as claimed by the Fijians.
The Melanesians probably belonged to the Niger-Congo and Dravidian speaking communities that formerly lived in the Sahara-Sahel region until 5-6kya. The Melanesians formerly lived in Africa and/or South China/Southeast Asia before they sailed to the Pacific Islans, probably as part of the Lapita migrations.
In figure 3 we see cognate Mande and Melanesian terms for vase, pot, arrow, cattle/ox, and fish. They also shared agricultural terms as well
Polynesian English Manding *talun fallow, land daa *tanem to plant daa *suluq torch, flame suu *kuDen cooking pot,bowl ku
As you can see the Melanesians and Africans are not only negroid they also share genes, placenames and culture terms. Obviously, use of Melanesians and Africans does not support Polytopicity.
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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^So your feeling is that Keita merely misspoke, rather than having a fundamental lack of understanding for the subject matter?
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^So your feeling is that Keita merely misspoke, rather than having a fundamental lack of understanding for the subject matter?
No I feel that Keita does not want to rock the boat. keita knows what he is saying is false; but like most Afro-American academics he is afraid to tell the truth and he keeps us ignorant about the real relationship between African people and so-called Eurasian genes.
It is pathetic that for the past 200 years Europeans acknowledged that Melanesian art, culture and etc. was an extention of African art, culture and etc. Now to try and isolate Africans--who they attempt to claim are the true Negroes--and preserve the idea that their are specific Eurasian genes they change the script. For example,mtDNA M1, is called haplogroup D in Eurasia.
I am sorry to say, you can not expect professional Afro-American and African archaeologists and geneticists to tell us the truth about these fields and how they relate to African people. This was true in DuBois day, and it continues to be true today. .
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Yes, as I have previously related: many years ago when I was first starting out, I attempted to jump start my own research by reading already published Black anthropological material.
I quickly found it to be lacking in common sense, even to a novice. That was the end of that, but in hindsight, if I had known about van Sertima, Chancellor Williams, and the like, I might have read them.
Now alas, all we have are shills like Skippy Gates, Keita, and let us not forget Kittles.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Afrocentrism From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:
Some critics of Afrocentrism note that the Afrocentric designation of Southeast Asians and Melanesians as "African diaspora" is made without reference to the self-identities of the peoples in question. They may not identify themselves as African, as they have tens of thousands of years of history in the places where they live, like people of Papa New Guinea and the Solomon Islands. In the largest sense, all humans are descended from ancestors in Africa but cultures and civilizations have aisen around the world that distinguish themselves as separate. Anthropologists note that modern man is the product of evolution of populations in many different areas of the globe after the migrations out of Africa.
So then, because lioness self-identifies (at least here on ES), as Black, that overrides the fact that in appearance and genetically, she is an Albino????? Posted by kdolo (Member # 21830) on :
Kittles ?
Posted by kdolo (Member # 21830) on :
Rick Kittles....
His work is supbar ? Or intentionally deceptive ??
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
quote:Originally posted by kdolo: Rick Kittles....
His work is supbar ? Or intentionally deceptive ??
I would not say that it is subpar. What we are talking about is that these fellows stay in the "Black" lane in otherwords. They will write about things that agree with the status quo, for example all Blacks in America were slaves, Blacks are not related to Native Americans and etc., even if they know it is false.
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Posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate (Member # 20039) on :
