There is a high frequency of African-Mestizo admixture ranging between 20-40% . The admixture rate between Africans and indigenous Mexican Indians ranges between 5-50% .
References:
1. Lisker R, et al.(1996). Genetic structure of autochthonous populations of Meso-america:Mexico. Am. J. Hum Biol 68:395-404.
2. Suarez-Diaz,E. (2014) Indigenous populations in Mexico. Medical anthropology in the Work of Ruben Lisker in the 1960's. Studies in History and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences 47:108-117.
3. Lisker,R.(1981. Estructura genetia de la poblacion Mexicana. Aspectos Medicos y Anthropologica, Mexico: Salvat.
Posted by Caveman (Member # 18722) on :
Races Do Not Exist! When will people learn the Truth??
quote:Originally posted by The Habsburg Agenda: When Brown people think they are White
The African girl in this picture is not the subject of the video, but suprisingly she is the only who called Hispanics correctly as what they are the first time around, "Indians".
This whole Latino/Hispanic business demonstrates the racial agenda. If the one drop rule was applied to Hispanics/Latinos most of them would be called Indian or Native American. Obama and Colin Powell are light-skinned Blacks, so why aren't so many Hispanics described as light-skinned Indian?
Another interesting I have noticed. If the original Indians are as light as they are depicted in movies, mestizos Mexicans should be as light as Southern Europeans, more like the blonde haired blue eyed 'Native Americans' north of the border, not the brown color so many of them display.
Posted by The Habsburg Agenda (Member # 21824) on :
Typical response from cavemen when their lies and inconsistencies are exposed. How would you describe your race if you were required to, would you describe yourself as very light-skinned black, or a very dark skinned white?
quote:Originally posted by Caveman: Races Do Not Exist! When will people learn the Truth??
quote:Originally posted by The Habsburg Agenda: When Brown people think they are White
This is an invented graph. Lisker did NOT use y-chromosome data but 6GPD
quote:There is a high frequency of African-Mestizo admixture ranging between 20-40% . The admixture rate between Africans and indigenous Mexican Indians ranges between 5-50% .
References:
1. Lisker R, et al.(1996). Genetic structure of autochthonous populations of Meso-america:Mexico. Am. J. Hum Biol 68:395-404.
2. Suarez-Diaz,E. (2014) Indigenous populations in Mexico. Medical anthropology in the Work of Ruben Lisker in the 1960's. Studies in History and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences 47:108-117.
3. Lisker,R.(1981. Estructura genetia de la poblacion Mexicana. Aspectos Medicos y Anthropologica, Mexico: Salvat.
R.Lisker, E. Ramirez, and V. Babinsky. 1996. “Genetic Structure of Autochtonous populations of Mesoamerica:Mexico,” [u]Human Biology[[/u] 68 (#3): 395-404. (properly cited)
Winters also like to play around with definitions to obscure. MESTIZO is defined as European + Indian; Nobody but Winters uses the term “mongoloid Native Americans”, which already presupposes what he intends to prove. MULATTO is defined as Black + white. Then there is African + Indian., and finally the trihybrid European + Black + Indian.
Aha! This could only happen after the arrival of the Spanish and African slaves. It is meaningless for the purposes Winters wants to use them. Also note there are more whites in Paraiso then blacks (30.9% vs 21.7%). Veracruz (35% vs 25.6%), Saladero (31.2% vs 30.2%). Black and White genetic contributions are the same in El Carmen and the only place there are more blacks is Tamiahua (40.5% vs 28.8).
Actually the more relevant part of the table is also not mentioned by Winters, i.e. not Mestizos, which by definition are already mixed with whites in Colonial Times. What we need is data on INDIAN GROUPS, Lisker Table 2 continues;
group black indian white Huichol 0.00 0.912 0.088 Totonaco 0.00 0.854 0.146 Chontal 0.050 0.783 0.167 Chol 0.00 0.778 0.222 Zapoteco 0.00 0.741 0.259 Huasteco 0.00 0.627 0.373 Cora 0.008 0.792 0.20
In these Indian groups you get zero African contribution with the exception of the Maya Chontal group at 5% (not very significant); the Chol live in the area of the Classic Maya civilization, the Zapotec live in the area where writing was first found in Mesoamerica, the Totonac are the Indians living in Veracruz--and the better example to use rather then the Veracruz mestizo sample cited by Winters, the Huasteco are the supposedly ancestral Maya speakers just before the Mande came.. The paper points out that populations used were monolingual and identified themselves as Indian-- therefore, if there had been precolumbian African contact in the Maya area these would be the groups where it would show up. It doesn't.
Winters is playing tricks again by omitting the part of the paper he is quoting in support of his position.
Suares-Diaz, E. 2014 “Indigenous populations in Mexico: Medical anthropology in the work of Ruben Lisker in the 1960s,” [u] Studies in History and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences [/u]47: 108-117
p. 114 Their area of study focused on the so-called Costa Chica in the Pacific Coast of southern Mexico, Lisker found that hemolytic anemaia was not that common in Mexican indigenous populations, but more interestingly, that the enzyme’s deficiency was correlated with distance to Cuijinicuilapa, a town in which African slaves had settled during colonial times. The farther from Cuijinicuilapa, the lower the frequency of G6PD and HbS; the village of Pochutla, for instance, showing a lower frequency than Ometepec. Using other blood markers, he calculated that in Cuijinicuilapa 56% of the genes are Negroid.
p. 114 These communities lived indifferent regions of the country, including the Northern mountains, and the east and west coast, where slave trade had taken place in the 16th century, according to Aguirre Beltrán. This time, Lisker obtained two thousand blood samples. The results confirmed the hypothesis of the Negro admixture in the west Mexican coast, in some places reaching a level of 40% of admixture. Lisker did not study the country at large. His results apply only to communities where historically we knew that slaves had settled in colonial times
Winters seems to forget that between his "1200 BC Mande" and 2015 there were many centuries where African brought as slaves lived and bred in Mexico. ”
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Please define which haplogroups represent an "Negroid/African contribution".
Ditto: "Indian contribution"
Ditto: "European contribution"
Btw - African + Indian = Zambo
Posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Caveman: Races Do Not Exist! When will people learn the Truth??
quote:Originally posted by The Habsburg Agenda: When Brown people think they are White
When the U.S. government will change the policy. And euronuts will stop claiming the true negroid. It was euronuts after all who created this division.
Posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Please define which haplogroups represent an "Negroid/African contribution".
Ditto: "Indian contribution"
Ditto: "European contribution"
Btw - African + Indian = Zambo
I don't think his/ her purpose is to do that, but exactly the opposite, at any cost.
