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Posted by kdolo (Member # 21830) on :
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/louisiana-mans-family-doesnt-want-death-race-thing-094534485.html

"Louisiana man's family doesn't want death to be 'race thing'."

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) — A Louisiana woman says she doesn't want the death of her son's father, a black man killed by white police officers, to "be a race thing."

Quinyetta McMillon wouldn't say, however, whether she believes police would have treated Alton Sterling the same way had he been white.

McMillon told The Associated Press on Friday that she is grieving with the families of five police officers who were killed by a Dallas sniper during a march to protest Sterling's death.

"Now, I'm walking a mile with them. We're bearing the same shoes right now," McMillon said.
 
Posted by kdolo (Member # 21830) on :
 
on a more frivolous matter, ....

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/dwyane-wade-loves-pat-riley-article-1.2705397


After being disrespected and discarded by Pat Riley and the Heat despite bringing 3 championships, years of playoff appearances, etc...

"Dwyane Wade says he’ll always love Pat Riley, but admits business side of Heat decision ‘sucks’

For Pat Riley and Dwyane Wade, breaking up is hard to do.

After Riley sent out a text proclaiming how "SADDDDD!!!!" he was about losing his franchise star, Wade also expressed his love to reporters Saturday.

"It's going to be a lot of stuff said about me and Pat. First of all, I love Pat. He has a job to do. He has a different hat to wear," Wade told reporters at his youth basketball camp in downtown Miami. "That hat sometimes is not to be my best friend. That hat is to be the president of the organization and to be a businessman, and that sucks.

"You love each other, but the business side comes out, and you have to deal with it."

"I'm not saying we've hugged and cried and shared tears at this moment," Wade said, "but I love Pat and will always love Pat. And I know he feels the same way about me."


This Negro really believes that that Albino who just threw him away like trash loves him ???

(I really like the guy, but he is from Chicago...Mike may be right about the Midwest Negroes)
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by kdolo:

(I really like the guy, but he is from Chicago...Mike may be right about the Midwest Negroes)

What caught my eye was that Chicago Negroes were mainly from Mississippi. My experience - People from the deep south (Black and White) tend not to be deep thinkers.

Proof - Note what caused the death of the cities Black Mayor Harold Washington, (not one of them tried to lovingly help the man), and note the aftermath of his death.
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by kdolo:

After being disrespected and discarded by Pat Riley and the Heat despite bringing 3 championships, years of playoff appearances, etc...

"Dwyane Wade says he’ll always love Pat Riley, but admits business side of Heat decision ‘sucks’

After Riley sent out a text proclaiming how "SADDDDD!!!!" he was about losing his franchise star, Wade also expressed his love to reporters Saturday.

"It's going to be a lot of stuff said about me and Pat. First of all, I love Pat. He has a job to do. He has a different hat to wear," Wade told reporters at his youth basketball camp in downtown Miami. "That hat sometimes is not to be my best friend. That hat is to be the president of the organization and to be a businessman, and that sucks.

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EARLIER KOBE "REFUSED" TO TAKE LESS MONEY:

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Forbes Sportsmoney:

Kobe Bryant Has Made Hundreds Of Millions For Lakers. Let Him Do What He Wants.

Tom Van Riper, Contributor

Some people point at Kobe as the problem. That as great as his career has been, his two-year, $48 million extension just hogs too much salary cap space for a team in need of a thorough rebuilding job. And it’s a valid point. Bryant, at 36, is pretty much a shell of his former self, averaging 26.5 points but shooting 39.4% from the floor with just three assists per game. Yet he’s been downplaying any talk of a trade to a contender, seemingly adamant about being a Laker for life. Is he being greedy, interfering with his club’s ability to rebuild? Maybe, but don’t say he hasn’t earned the right to do whatever he wants. By the time Kobe’s latest contract expires after the 2015-16 season, he’ll have earned just over $300 million during a 20-year career. And yes, he’s earned it.

You won’t find an NBA player anywhere who has built as much value into a franchise as Bryant has with the Lakers. The club, estimated by Forbes to be worth $268 million back in 1998, Bryant’s second season, checked in with a valuation of $1.35 billion in 2013.

That’s a 404% increase during the Kobe era, during which the average NBA team grew 280%. Some quick math shows that had L.A.’s growth been in line with the league average over the past 15 years, the club would be worth some $750 million today, or $600 million less than where it is. And that’s in addition to the operating profits the Lakers have pocketed, usually in the tens of millions each year.

Are we crediting Bryant with a $600 million boon by himself? No. Like anyone else, he had help. Shaquille O’Neal was Bryant’s fellow superstar on three championship teams in the early 2000s. And the constant over the course of all five Laker championships during Bryant’s career: Phil Jackson, arguably the best coach in NBA history.

Is Bryant the greatest NBA player who ever lived? Again, no. People debate superstars from different eras all the time, but advanced NBA metrics such as win shares show that the estimated 10.1 wins per year Kobe has added to the Lakers’ totals, while outstanding, lags quite a bit behind those of Micheal Jordan, LeBron James, Wilt Chamberlain and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, among other all-time greats. James, in fact is right on Kobe’s heels in the franchise value department: the numbers show he’s boosted Cleveland and Miami above the league average at nearly the same annual rate that Bryant has boosted the Lakers. But LeBron has done it over a far shorter period of time – we’re about to find out how well he fares as a 30-something player.

Bryant, it can’t be denied, has been the cornerstone piece of one of the great wealth accumulations in sports history, buoyed by a new arena and a record local television deal. While Phil Jackson picked his spots – fleeing Chicago after the Jordan era and taking a sabbatical from the Lakers after Shaq left – Kobe has been the constant. From three years before the first title to five years after the fifth one, he’s pushed on for the Lakers for half his life. With flash and glamor to match the skills, he’s been the perfect star in the perfect town. Another $48 million to finish up in L.A.? Chicken feed.
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:

Forbes Sportsmoney:
Tom Van Riper, Contributor

You won’t find an NBA player anywhere who has built as much value into a franchise as Bryant has with the Lakers. The club, estimated by Forbes to be worth $268 million back in 1998, Bryant’s second season, checked in with a valuation of $1.35 billion in 2013.

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Ahem - well actually there IS a star who has built "MORE" value for a franchise.

Dwyane Tyrone Wade Jr. (born January 17, 1982) is an American professional basketball player who last played for the Miami Heat of the National Basketball Association (NBA).

After entering the league as the fifth pick in the 2003 NBA draft, Wade was named to the All-Rookie team and the All-Star team the following eleven seasons. In his third season, Wade led the Miami Heat to their first NBA championship in franchise history. He was named the 2006 NBA Finals MVP as the Heat won the series 4-2 over the Dallas Mavericks.

fter LeBron James and Chris Bosh joined the Heat, Wade was part of Miami's second championship win in the 2012 NBA Finals, when Miami defeated the Oklahoma City Thunder. He won his third NBA championship in 2013, when the Heat defeated the San Antonio Spurs in the 2013 NBA Finals. In 2014, the Heat reached the Finals for the fourth consecutive year, but lost in five games to the San Antonio Spurs.

In 2004 - Wades first season, the Miami Heat were worth $236 million dollars.

In 2016 - Wades 13th season, the Miami Heat were worth $1.3 BILLION dollars.
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
^BTW - boys and girls, an owner is an owner, a company GM/President is just another hired hand - they do as the OWNER tells them to do.

Pat Riley's job is to take the Heat (pardon the pun).

 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Heat Owner:


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Micky Arison (born June 29, 1949) is an Israeli-born American businessman and chairman of Carnival Corporation, the world's largest cruise operator. Arison is also the owner of the NBA's Miami Heat.
 
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:
Originally posted by kdolo:

(I really like the guy, but he is from Chicago...Mike may be right about the Midwest Negroes)

What caught my eye was that Chicago Negroes were mainly from Mississippi. My experience - People from the deep south (Black and White) tend not to be deep thinkers.

Proof - Note what caused the death of the cities Black Mayor Harold Washington, (not one of them tried to lovingly help the man), and note the aftermath of his death.

Author Isabel Wilkerson did a study on migration patterns of black Americans.

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--Isabel Wilkerson, Journalist and Author of the Warmth of Other Suns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyFUBPAZzqk


http://isabelwilkerson.com
 
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
Heat Owner:


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Micky Arison (born June 29, 1949) is an Israeli-born American businessman and chairman of Carnival Corporation, the world's largest cruise operator. Arison is also the owner of the NBA's Miami Heat.

Damn! This "Jew", sure is living solid proof of the albino kikes being, white albino Khazar's faking a a false black hebrew identity for their own ends.

This guy is a real example of the people we know of as "Jews", really being fake albino impostor's whom are really no different then any other regular degenerate albino people ...
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
^I often wonder how many of you are Black, owing to your obvious lack of intellectual curiosity. I mentioned Harold Washington, yet none took a nibble. Well, whether you're interested or not...

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Harold Lee Washington (April 15, 1922 – November 25, 1987) was an American lawyer and politician elected as the 51st Mayor of Chicago in February 1983. He was the first African-American to serve as Mayor of Chicago, in office from April 29, 1983 until his death on November 25, 1987. Washington was also a member of the U.S. House of Representatives from 1981 to 1983 representing the Illinois first district, and also previously served in the Illinois State Senate and the Illinois House of Representatives from 1965 until 1976.
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
LOCAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN CHICAGO 1983-1987:

THE REFORM EFFORTS OF MAYOR HAROLD WASHINGTON
Kenneth M. Reardon, Ph.D. Cornell University, 1990

This research focuses upon the economic development policy-making and planning activities of Chicago's Mayor Harold Washington during his first term in office (1983-1987).

The major foci of attention in this study are the major economic development policy initiatives and planning decisions of the Washington administration. Among the major policy initiatives examined by this study are: the Buy Chicago, Minority Purchasing, First Source Hiring, General Obligation Bonding, Downtown/Neighborhood Linkage and Citizen Participation Programs. Among the major economic development decisions reviewed by this research are: the Playskool Plant Closing, the Redevelopment of Navy Pier and the 1992 Chicago World's Fair.

This study concludes that the Washington administration was quite successful in transforming the nature of local economic development planning within Chicago during its first term in office. Policy changes made by the administration produced a pattern of benefits which provided much more assistance to poor and working class neighborhoods within the city and encouraged formerly excluded groups to participate in the local economic development planning process. Unfortunately, these changes were not fully institutionalized and did not continue beyond Mayor Washington's time in office.
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
THE DEATH OF HAROLD WASHINGTON

Washington was pronounced dead at 1:36 p.m. At Daley Plaza, Patrick Keen, project director for the Westside Habitat for Humanity, announced Washington's official time of death to a separate gathering of Chicagoans. Initial reactions to the pronouncement of his death were of shock and sadness, as many blacks believed that Washington was the only top Chicago official who would address their concerns. Thousands of Chicagoans attended his wake in the lobby of City Hall between November 27 and November 29, 1987. On November 30, 1987, Rev. B. Herbert Martin officiated Washington's funeral service in Christ Universal Temple at 119th Street and Ashland Avenue in Chicago. After the service, Washington was buried in Oak Woods Cemetery on the South Side of Chicago.

Immediately after Washington's death, rumors about how Washington died began to surface. On January 6, 1988, Dr. Antonio Senat, Washington's personal physician, denied "unfounded speculations" that Washington had cocaine in his system at the time of his death, or that foul play was involved. Cook County Medical Examiner Robert J. Stein performed an autopsy on Washington and concluded that Washington had died of a heart attack. Washington had weighed 284 pounds (129 kg), and suffered from hypertension, high cholesterol levels, and an enlarged heart. On June 20, 1988, Alton Miller again indicated that drug reports on Washington had come back negative, and that Washington had not been poisoned prior to his death. Dr. Stein stated that the only drug in Washington's system had been lidocaine, which is used to stabilize the heart after a heart attack takes place. The drug was given to Washington either by paramedics, or by doctors at Northwestern Memorial Hospital.
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
^So what does Harold Washington have to do with the thread title "Are Negroes Dumb or Stockholm Syndrome?" or Chicago Blacks being mainly from Mississippi?

Make up your own minds:
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Harold Washington was uniquely dedicated to the Blacks of Chicago, he through himself into working long hours on their behalf.

He had taken to working late at his office, then grabbing a Burger on his way home.

That is of course a very unhealthy lifestyle:
And it caused Harold to gain over 50 pounds of weight in short order - and it KILLED him!

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Most of us, upon seeing someone we know with that extreme a weight gain, would say something to the person, we would intervene to protect that person.

Harold Washington was surrounded by Black aids, Black officials, and Black Chicagoan's. Not one is known to have tried to help him by pointing out the health hazards of his lifestyle.

My own belief is that even Africans would have done better.

Sensible people with a leader/ruler who works on their behalf, try to protect that leader/ruler:

The ignorant and clueless always wonder why bad things always happen to them - they will never understand that they are the problem.
 
Posted by kdolo (Member # 21830) on :
 
'Sensible people with a leader/ruler who works on their behalf, try to protect that leader/ruler:

The ignorant and clueless always wonder why bad things always happen to them - they will never understand that they are the problem.'

Indeed.

the hardest thing in the world to do is to convince and ignorant and clueless person that they are in fact ignorant and clueless and that their ignorance and cluelessness is very expensive !
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
^But the Fuchups of Black Chicagoan's were only beginning!

Immediately after Washington's death, the Negroes started arguing about who would replace him.

In typical Negro fashion, they couldn't agree, so the Albino boy waltzed right in (Daley jr.). Then they found that they couldn't get him out.

Unable to agree, Black Chicago has not elected a Black mayor since.
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Jackson Rushes in to Leave Chicago Divided
December 06, 1987|Ben Joravsky | Ben Joravsky is the author of "Race and Politics in Chicago."
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CHICAGO — It was like old times in Chicago last week. The city faced a major crisis and to the rescue rushed the Rev. Jesse L. Jackson, self-styled "peacemaker."

The crisis was the sudden death of Harold Washington, the city's first black mayor. Even before Washington's death was officially announced, the fragile coalition he had maintained for five years was falling apart. Jackson's mission was to keep together this coalition of black reformers and black party regulars; they had learned to quiet their differences over issues like patronage because of Washington's rock-solid support among their constituents.

Yet rather than build a consensus, Jackson's intervention failed to elect his man, polarized blacks and whites and left Washington's coalition divided.

To outsiders it must have seemed bizarre. Why would a national political figure interrupt a presidential campaign to entangle himself in a local morass--to drop international relations in favor of some inner city power brokering? How could a handful of black municipal officials ignore the pleas of the major black national leader? And how could one politician stir such divisive responses?


http://articles.latimes.com/1987-12-06/opinion/op-26723_1_chicago-city-council
 
Posted by Fourty2Tribes (Member # 21799) on :
 
It's Stockholm syndrome and broken families. The IQ test thing is a hustle. The test are easy. They are only given to select kids.

The moment I started slipping as a student getting Ds and having emotional problems they gave me one. It was a test with common sense and nonsense questions. The questions were ambiguous and direct. I scored so high they put me in a class with 'smart' white kids and two other black kid. One was a wiz the other had bad grades and emotional problems in his previous class.

I did better in the highly gifted class because... it was easier.
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
CHICAGO — NBA star Dwyane Wade's cousin was an innocent bystander, police said, pushing her baby in a stroller near a Chicago school where she intended to register her children when she was fatally shot Friday.


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Nykea Aldridge's famous relative tweeted to his nearly 6 million followers about her death, saying Friday it was an "act of senseless gun violence" and posting Saturday morning that his hometown of Chicago needs "more help& more hands on deck." Wade ended both days of tweets with the hashtag "EnoughIsEnough."

The 32-year-old mother of four recently relocated to an area on the city's South Side, her family said. She was near the school, which is about a mile and a half southwest of the University of Chicago, when two males walked up and fired shots at a third man but hit Aldridge in the head and arm. She wasn't the intended target, police said.
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Sometimes when the Whities talk about "Political Correctness" they are right.

Hilary Clinton was forced to apologize for calling Black killers "Super Predators".

Hillary Clinton: Gangs of kids are "super predators" with "no conscience, no empathy".

I would certainly call the mindless, soulless, wanton killers of that poor woman "super predators".
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
There is just something wrong with the Negroes in Chicago.

Chicago is the 3rd. largest U.S. city with 2.7 million people.
As of now (Aug.) Chicago has had 467 murders.

New York is the U.S. largest city with 8.5 million people.

As of now (Aug.) New York has had 222 murders:
more than 3 times the population of Chicago, but less than half the murders.

Numbers don't lie, there is something wrong with those people.
 
Posted by Thereal (Member # 22452) on :
 
Chicago is a segregated town that in itself isn't an issue but when they don't control their neighborhoods and have crap schools what do you expect,image what Fred Hampton could've accomplished if he wasn't killed or the black panthers destroyed by the FBI with the help of local mostly white police.
 
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Thereal:
[QB] Chicago is a segregated town that in itself isn't an issue

high crime rates are correlated with places that are more segregated so it is an issue
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Thereal:
Chicago is a segregated town that in itself isn't an issue.

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You are in effect saying that Negroes cannot live peacefully among each other. They NEED Albinos present to show them how to live peacefully (Integrated Communities).

While there is data that would tend to support that conclusion, is that what you really want to say?
 
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
The fact that high crime rates are correlated with places that are more segregated does not mean that one can assume the presence of whites in some supervisory type role in a more integrated neighborhood is the reason for this.
 
Posted by Elmaestro (Member # 22566) on :
 
accessibility to weaponry + Accessibility to drugs - Accessibility to Education = Crime, no if ands or buts.

segregation/integration has nothing to do with it. Chicago is in no way "un-tamable," the state of city isn't an anomaly nor is it a problem for the US gov. I remember saying on here before that this country benefits from both the turmoil and success(relative) of black people...

eventually draconian laws will be put in place, families will get even more destroyed than they are, crime rates will decline, blacks there will sell their homes and leave apartments to go down south, & cooperate america will buy out property and gentrify.

Though not as dramatic as current day Chicago, Harlem and some areas in Brooklyn underwent similar changes.
 
Posted by Thereal (Member # 22452) on :
 
Mike I mean racially segregated like the people are not doing it to preserve anything but coming by way of redistricting,I remember see a article that was talking about improvements to the city in that regards but the blacks other groups still have economic issues.
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Added from another thread because it's germane to the conversation.

quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:

Colin Kaepernick explains why he won't stand during national anthem


San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick has been a lightning rod for attention in his career, and his latest statements surely could make him an even more polarizing figure.

Kaepernick explained his unwillingness to stand for the playing of the national anthem, which of course happens before the kickoff of every NFL game. It happened in last night’s preseason game at Levi’s Stadium against the Green Bay Packers, one in which he struggled in his first action since last season.

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“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,” Kaepernick told NFL Network’s Steve Wyche after the game against Green Bay. “To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”

The 49ers issued a statement on the matter:

“The National Anthem is and always will be a special part of the pregame ceremony. It is an opportunity to honor our country and reflect on the great liberties we are afforded as its citizens. In respecting such American principles as freedom of religion and freedom of expression, we recognize the right of an individual to choose and participate, or not, in our celebration of the national anthem.”

Kaepernick is right to have his own opinion on the matter. He’s right to view his country any way he chooses. But he also must be willing to face the likely backlash. If USA Olympic gymnast Gabby Douglas can get ripped for unintentionally forgetting to put her hand over her heart during the anthem, then Kaepernick clearly refusing to stand up during it will be treated far more harshly one would imagine.

It appears Kaepernick is aware of what he will face.

“This is not something that I am going to run by anybody,” he said. “I am not looking for approval. I have to stand up for people that are oppressed. … If they take football away, my endorsements from me, I know that I stood up for what is right.”

A quick scan of Kaepernick’s Twitter timeline shows a lot of support for the Black Lives Matter movement and statements on racial issues in the country. Other athletes have used their voices and their platform to spread their views and try to raise awareness on sensitive social matters. Former NBA player Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf of the Denver Nuggets refused to stand for the national anthem 20 years ago, saying it conflicted with his Islamic beliefs, which caused a wave of controversy for him and for the league.

It’s possible that this protest hurts Kaepernick more than it helps him personally and career-wise. He already has alienated some people inside the 49ers organization, and though new head coach Chip Kelly said he has no designs on cutting his quarterback, those feelings could change — fairly or not — as this story mushrooms. This also is a young man who has lived in a country that has helped him make almost $30 million, with at least $12 million more guaranteed to come this season. The fact that the former Super Bowl quarterback’s career has gotten off track, addled by injuries and ineffectiveness, can’t help his cause to regain his perch as a player.

But based on Kaepernick’s words, it sounds like he’s willing to make that sacrifice. It’s a powerful, controversial statement to make for an athlete clearly in a flashpoint of his career.

NFL teams often run from controversies such as these, although the cruel irony also is that many teams also have gone out of their way to defend players accused or convicted of domestic violence. So it’s very likely there’s a double standard inside the league, where players can be unofficially blackballed for their behavior. There’s a good chance that Kaepernick — perhaps even more than likely starter Blaine Gabbert — will become the talking point for a 49ers team that appears to be facing a tough road this season.

That road has a few added bumps in front of them now.


 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
The fact that high crime rates are correlated with places that are more segregated does not mean that one can assume the presence of whites in some supervisory type role in a more integrated neighborhood is the reason for this.

The idiot jumbled the thought, but enough gets through so that you can get the gist.

So then, can anyone point to a majority Black City or Community that is prospering? I know of none, but then again, I don't know of all places so feel free to contribute.

Now of course, the overwhelming reason for that is that Albinos hold and horde all of the resources. Therefore communities without Albinos are communities without resources - to a great extent.

But what about what little resources Black communities do have? Do they ever INCREASE them?

My experience is NO!

Because each successive generation of young Blacks, seem to get worse that the one before - IN GENERAL.

This obviously means that Black parents are failing in how they bring up their children. But why that is I don't know.
 
Posted by Elmaestro (Member # 22566) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
The fact that high crime rates are correlated with places that are more segregated does not mean that one can assume the presence of whites in some supervisory type role in a more integrated neighborhood is the reason for this.

The idiot jumbled the thought, but enough gets through so that you can get the gist.

So then, can anyone point to a majority Black City or Community that is prospering? I know of none, but then again, I don't know of all places so feel free to contribute.

What do you mean by prospering? there are plenty of black majority communities that are indifferent from some integrated/majoriy white ones.
Jamaica Queens...?

Now of course, the overwhelming reason for that is that Albinos hold and horde all of the resources. Therefore communities without Albinos are communities without resources - to a great extent.

Naive, what are these resources you speak of?

But what about what little resources Black communities do have? Do they ever INCREASE them?

My experience is NO!

Because each successive generation of young Blacks, seem to get worse that the one before - IN GENERAL.

IDK, graduation rates, and black owned businesses are increasing

This obviously means that Black parents are failing in how they bring up their children. But why that is I don't know.


 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Elmaestro:

Now of course, the overwhelming reason for that is that Albinos hold and horde all of the resources. Therefore communities without Albinos are communities without resources - to a great extent.

Naive, what are these resources you speak of?


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Clearly you are not much of a deep thinker - possibly because of age.

But I really don't have time to break it down for you right now.

Here, try this:

Start a new thread where you and the other youngsters can kick this sort of concept around.
 
Posted by Elmaestro (Member # 22566) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:
Originally posted by Elmaestro:

Now of course, the overwhelming reason for that is that Albinos hold and horde all of the resources. Therefore communities without Albinos are communities without resources - to a great extent.

Naive, what are these resources you speak of?


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Clearly you are not much of a deep thinker - possibly because of age.

But I really don't have time to break it down for you right now.

Here, try this:

Start a new thread where you and the other youngsters can kick this sort of concept around.

I'll pass, if I was to start a thread it'd be to kick round solutions not dwell on problems... probably just the young way of thinking.
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Elmaestro:

Mike111 quote:

So then, can anyone point to a majority Black City or Community that is prospering? I know of none, but then again, I don't know of all places so feel free to contribute.


Elmaestro:

What do you mean by prospering? there are plenty of black majority communities that are indifferent from some integrated/majoriy white ones.
Jamaica Queens...?


Not meaning to pick on you, but you really don't know much. Please take time to consider what you say.

Times ledger (local queens paper).

Bleak crime rates, Queens second in murders: NYPD
By Sadef Ali Kully

READER FEEDBACK;

Joe Moretti from Jamaica says:
Queens, a relatively safe borough compared to Brooklyn and Bronx, is rated 2nd in murder of all the boroughs. That is shocking. But what is not shocking, is that this placement is caused by none other than low-class ghetto Jamaica and specifically that crap hole called South Jamaica.

Let’s face it, Jamaica is filled with low-class ghetto folks, gang bangers galore, criminals on every street corner and way too many young men with too much time on their hands, and most of this is in South Jamaica, but bottom line, Jamaica has its fair of crap spread all over like 4th stage cancer.

So lets give a big hand to Jamaica, you know the community that all the leaders are saying is the next big thing, for helping to rank Queens #2 for murder. Let’s face it, if it was not for Jamaica, and especially South Jamaica, Queens would not be ranked #2.

Way to go Jamaica all and you low-class ghetto knuckleheads.

Now this is Jamaica Revealed, the truth, the reality and the actual perception.

In the article Beulah Wilson, a Queens Village resident at the 103rd Precinct community meeting, said “Stopping [stop-and-frisk] was one of the biggest mistakes deBlasio made.”

Yes, Beulah, you got that right.


http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2015/23/crime_2015_06_05_q.html


Note: the web makes it easy to fact-check everyone!
 
Posted by Elmaestro (Member # 22566) on :
 
Jesus Mike, it's one thing to find a random post from a nobody with an obvious bias or an agenda (based on his website), commenting for a headline which addresses a 5 month period, of last year (2015).
But to consider it fact checking? c'mon old man, and you wondered why I considered your comments a waste of bandwidth, Energy & Effort.

Despite all of that, no numbers or figures were shown to even make the argument look pretty...

https://maps.nyc.gov/crime/

..Also pay attention to the areas with the highest crime rate. I mean, this should come as no surprise if you knew anything about New York.
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
On the issue of Police brutality, most people understand that in bad police departments, it goes deeper than one or two murderous cops in a department. Rather it is about a systematic lack of true regard and respect for the people they serve.


Superintedent Eddie Johnson

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CHICAGO SUN TIMES:

CPD to Rhymefest: We’re sorry how cops treated you after mugging.

Chicago poet and hip-hop star Che “Rhymefest” Smith was robbed at gunpoint in Bronzeville early Saturday. And while the mugging was bad enough, the two-time Grammy winner said he was nearly thrown out of a police station when he tried to make a report.

Smith, who ran unsuccessfully for 20th Ward alderman in 2011, was clearly pained as he pecked out a string of messages on Twitter after the mugging, even showing concern for the masked man who made off with his wallet.

But the rapper turned indignant in a tweet sent after he left the Chicago Police Department’s Grand Crossing district station — a Tweet that included cell phone video of desk officers trying to turn him away.

Police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi tweeted back an apology a few hours later: “disappointing to say the least. On behalf of CPD, I apologize for how you were treated. We will be addressing this today.”

Guglielmi later said that Chief of Patrol Fred Waller called Smith “to apologize on behalf of the department for how he was treated” and to let Smith know that detectives would begin investigating the robbery immediately.

Saturday evening, Smith said he was still sorting out the events of the day.


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“I went from having a guy holding a gun to my head, telling me today is the day I’m going to die, to being treated like a criminal when I tried to make a report,” Smith said.

Smith said officers working the desk were in no hurry to take his report when he arrived. When he sat down with an officer, she insisted he keep his hands where she could see them, and questioned his story: why hadn’t he gone to a station closer to Bronzeville? Why hadn’t the gunman taken his phone? She didn’t seem to be taking down his answers.

“I asked her, ma’am, are you going to write this down? Is there a form you want me to fill out?” Smith said. “She said, ‘You don’t ask the questions. I ask the questions.’”

When Smith asked to see her supervisor, the sergeant told him to leave. So Smith pulled out his phone and began filming.

“I don’t feel comfortable,” Smith said on the video, as officers shout at him to shut off the camera. “When the camera goes off, you start telling me to get out, I can’t make a report.”

Officers continue trying to get Smith to turn off the camera, but do concede that before he started filming the sergeant had told him to leave without taking his report. Smith kept the camera running until an officer agreed to take a report.

Smith said his encounter with police grew more congenial before he left, and that he was touched — and concerned — that the officer that finally took down his report admitted police have been “desensitized” to crime victims.

Amid the tension in the city between police and minority residents, Smith said he has staunchly defended police officers. Shortly before getting in his car Saturday morning, he’d engaged in an hours-long text-message debate with a friend about police tactics and community relations.
Hip-hop artist, songwriter and activist Che "Rhymefest" Smith performed during a panel discussion at the 2016 Television Critics Association Summer Tour at The Beverly Hilton Hotel in July. | Getty Images

Hip-hop artist, songwriter and activist Che “Rhymefest” Smith performed during a panel discussion at the 2016 Television Critics Association Summer Tour at The Beverly Hilton Hotel in July. | Getty Images

“I have police officers that I ride motorcycles with, that are my good friends,” he said. “I’m not a rabble-rousing activist screaming epithets at the cops. I work with the police.

“I wanted to make a report. … when I walked through the door, it was like (the officers) didn’t see me.”

Smith said he didn’t give officers any hint of who he was until he was about to leave.

“I said ‘Oh, by the way, I have two Grammys and an Oscar. And that’s not it. I teach young people, I teach creative writing,’” Smith said, referring to Donda’s House, a youth charity started in honor of Donda West, the late mother of his frequent collaborator, Kanye West.

“And it was like, ‘Now I got your attention. But not when I told you I had a gun to my head.'”

“I’m sure they’re thinking, ‘We messed up, because that was ‘somebody,’” Smith said. “But that’s not how it should be. How would they feel if somebody that doesn’t have my resources was treated the same way?”

For the record, Smith said he would like to talk with Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson about his ordeal, and about the “culture” within the police department. And he’d like the man that mugged him to turn himself in.

“I would like to help him. I would like to get him a job, rather than have him hurt someone,” he said. “But there has to be accountability, but I want him to know he doesn’t have to walk that alone.”

___________________________________________________________________________________________________

This story was taken from one of Chicago's main newspapers, but the story is unclear and incomplete - even for a reader like me. That is no accident, it seems plain that many hands, from many quarters, help to corrupt Chicago.


From Che Smiths own account.

He walks into the Police station, goes to a desk (Black) female officer and says he wants to report a robbery. She is busy eating cookies and playing a game, showing no interest in taking his information.

After commenting on her disinterest, he goes to another (Black) female officer who agrees to take his information, but she insists he place his hands on the table so she can feel comfortable.

At this point he asks to see a Sargent, who it happens was lurking behind a pillar. He complains to the Sargent, who tells him that as punishment for complaining about the female officers, his robbery complaint will not be taken, he is then ordered to leave the station, at which time he begins filming.


This part of the story is very important, in that nowhere in the apologies or other statements by the Chicago Police department, is any mention made about PUNISHMENTS for the two officers and Sargent!
 
Posted by Bonampak420 (Member # 20156) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:
Originally posted by Elmaestro:

Mike111 quote:

So then, can anyone point to a majority Black City or Community that is prospering? I know of none, but then again, I don't know of all places so feel free to contribute.


Elmaestro:

What do you mean by prospering? there are plenty of black majority communities that are indifferent from some integrated/majoriy white ones.
Jamaica Queens...?


Not meaning to pick on you, but you really don't know much. Please take time to consider what you say.

Times ledger (local queens paper).

Bleak crime rates, Queens second in murders: NYPD
By Sadef Ali Kully

READER FEEDBACK;

Joe Moretti from Jamaica says:
Queens, a relatively safe borough compared to Brooklyn and Bronx, is rated 2nd in murder of all the boroughs. That is shocking. But what is not shocking, is that this placement is caused by none other than low-class ghetto Jamaica and specifically that crap hole called South Jamaica.

Let’s face it, Jamaica is filled with low-class ghetto folks, gang bangers galore, criminals on every street corner and way too many young men with too much time on their hands, and most of this is in South Jamaica, but bottom line, Jamaica has its fair of crap spread all over like 4th stage cancer.

So lets give a big hand to Jamaica, you know the community that all the leaders are saying is the next big thing, for helping to rank Queens #2 for murder. Let’s face it, if it was not for Jamaica, and especially South Jamaica, Queens would not be ranked #2.

Way to go Jamaica all and you low-class ghetto knuckleheads.

Now this is Jamaica Revealed, the truth, the reality and the actual perception.

In the article Beulah Wilson, a Queens Village resident at the 103rd Precinct community meeting, said “Stopping [stop-and-frisk] was one of the biggest mistakes deBlasio made.”

Yes, Beulah, you got that right.


http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2015/23/crime_2015_06_05_q.html


Note: the web makes it easy to fact-check everyone!

Dont front Elmaestro if you know new york jamaica queens aint some up and coming thriving black utopia. Jamaica consist of a big mix of blacks, hispanics,indo guyanese, africans, and "modern" day middle eastern mostly from yemen.

The roads are horrible, vacant lots and garbage is everywhere. local waste companies dump their refuse in vacant lots. In jamaica queens there are very few black business owners.In some areas these yemeni deli owners allow drug selling operations inside of their deli same thing goes on in brooklyn and other black concentrated areas. Ever wondered why you would see ten to fifteen people hanging outside of a deli 24 hours a day, that is the reason.

In jamaica one of the many corrupt councilmen renamed a street for the tuskegee airmen.

Ruben Willis
Mr. Wills, a 42-year-old resident of Jamaica, Queens, was elected to the Council in 2010; he won his seat by just 626 votes. His diverse district — which spreads across Jamaica, Richmond Hill and South Ozone Park — has been roiled in recent years by political scandals and arrests.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/nyregion/city-councilman-ruben-wills-arrested.html?_r=0

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http://qns.com/story/2013/11/19/council-approves-jamaica-street-renaming-for-tuskegee-airmen/

That street they named after those black fighter pilots is a run down road known for prostitution.
This is south road aka Tuskegee airmen way. A damn shame

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Jamaicas leaders

http://queens-politics.com/2014/03/meet-the-most-corrupt-congressman-possibly-ever-gregory-meeks/

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/miserable-pols-southeast-queens-article-1.1835311
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
^Thanks Bonampak420, but as you can see, a lot of the newbies are just dumb-assed kids. I will correct them one time, after that, they're on their own. Anyone dumb enough to believe them - likewise.
 
Posted by Elmaestro (Member # 22566) on :
 
Bonampak420 so you're willing to support this coonery? wow? who said it was a Utopia? two blocks away from the very picture you shown looks like a completely different area, you are cherry picking...

For the people who Know nothing about the demographics of queens as well as the general conditions of the borough pay attention. - Jamaica queens is a general area referring to quite a few areas which can sometimes be listed as their own city. This includes Cambria heights, Saint Albans, Springfeild Gardens, Ozone Park, Queens Village & Hillside.

South Side Jamaica Queens refers to the stretch from South Ozone park to Rochdale.
When looking at this Crime Map you can pretty much consider precincts 103, 105, 113 & 106 he Areas of interest. The Area Mike111(aka WoBE) and Bonampak420 are lazered into is SouthSide Jamaica queens, southern parts of precincts 113 and 106. This area used to be much worst than it is today but I'll give it to them, there are drug dealers & gang members who hang out there... big deal. Politics have been shaky and some roads need to be fixed (Roads in New York are always being reworked in general but IIght)... There isn't a Garbage problem there that you cannot find elsewhere in New York specifically the Caucasian dominated Manhatten... but I digress. This Area is also undergoing a gentrification process.

The Demographics of all the Areas I listed above are interesting, the LEAST black dominated areas are actually the worst areas. South east queens is significantly black populated and are fine as far as neigborhoods go.
http://statisticalatlas.com/county-subdivision/New-York/Queens-County/Queens/Race-and-Ethnicity
Look at the map and click on the Areas that I mentioned above to see the point.

Jamaica queens is far from failing, there are A lot of black homes, businesses (a lot are non-American blacks) even though I would agree we need much more...
PS. readers that know little of queens, just google image the areas I speak of if you're swayed by pictures.
 
Posted by Bonampak420 (Member # 20156) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Elmaestro:
Bonampak420 so you're willing to support this coonery? wow? who said it was a Utopia? two blocks away from the very picture you shown looks like a completely different area, you are cherry picking...

For the people who Know nothing about the demographics of queens as well as the general conditions of the borough pay attention. - Jamaica queens is a general area referring to quite a few areas which can sometimes be listed as their own city. This includes Cambria heights, Saint Albans, Springfeild Gardens, Ozone Park, Queens Village & Hillside.

South Side Jamaica Queens refers to the stretch from South Ozone park to Rochdale.
When looking at this Crime Map you can pretty much consider precincts 103, 105, 113 & 106 he Areas of interest. The Area Mike111(aka WoBE) and Bonampak420 are lazered into is SouthSide Jamaica queens, southern parts of precincts 113 and 106. This area used to be much worst than it is today but I'll give it to them, there are drug dealers & gang members who hang out there... big deal. Politics have been shaky and some roads need to be fixed (Roads in New York are always being reworked in general but IIght)... There isn't a Garbage problem there that you cannot find elsewhere in New York specifically the Caucasian dominated Manhatten... but I digress. This Area is also undergoing a gentrification process.

The Demographics of all the Areas I listed above are interesting, the LEAST black dominated areas are actually the worst areas. South east queens is significantly black populated and are fine as far as neigborhoods go.
http://statisticalatlas.com/county-subdivision/New-York/Queens-County/Queens/Race-and-Ethnicity
Look at the map and click on the Areas that I mentioned above to see the point.

Jamaica queens is far from failing, there are A lot of black homes, businesses (a lot are non-American blacks) even though I would agree we need much more...
PS. readers that know little of queens, just google image the areas I speak of if you're swayed by pictures.

What coonery? In those neighborhoods blacks hold no resources and own a minimal amount of the business, Every single one of those neighborhoods may have a jamaican resteraunt a barber shop and hair salon or juice bar but thats about it, nothing major blacks only live there paying mortage to albinos who dominate the nyc real estate market

Why havent hundreds of thousands of Harold lee washingtons been groomed out there to be strategically placed in positions by the people to give benefit to black communities? Instead they vote in criminal lackeys that name rundown roads after famous honorable black men

As Queens home prices hit new records during the second quarter of the year, so too did foreclosure rates.

According to a survey by data analysts at PropertyShark, almost half of the city’s foreclosure auctions are concentrated in Queens, mostly in its Southeast neighborhoods, such as Jamaica, St. Albans and Queens Village.


http://rew-online.com/2016/07/22/queens-tops-nyc-foreclosure-list/

Albinos control the chess board and the resources. As long as that holds true, even the most properous black community is still a plantation.

Albinos have fully gentrified jamaica. On my last visit to nyc albinos have opened a greenhouse farm in jamaica as well as brooklyn they are selling veggies in mass to supermarkets across NYC. Majority of those supermarkets blacks do not own

http://gothamgreens.com/our-people

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Bonampak420:
What coonery? In those neighborhoods blacks hold no resources and own a minimal amount of the business, Every single one of those neighborhoods may have a jamaican resteraunt a barber shop and hair salon or juice bar but thats about it.

The real problem is that this delusional boy doesn't even know that there is a problem. It all seems NORMAL to him.
 
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
 
...
 
Posted by Elmaestro (Member # 22566) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:
Originally posted by Bonampak420:
What coonery? In those neighborhoods blacks hold no resources and own a minimal amount of the business, Every single one of those neighborhoods may have a jamaican resteraunt a barber shop and hair salon or juice bar but thats about it.

The real problem is that this delusional boy doesn't even know that there is a problem. It all seems NORMAL to him.
The problem is you don't know wtf you're talking about so you're adlibing Bonampak420 as he moves the goalpost and try to rally together a point... this is a bullshit conversation at this point, topic was D.O.A.
Look WoBE
quote:
South Side Jamaica Queens refers to the stretch from South Ozone park to Rochdale.
When looking at this Crime Map you can pretty much consider precincts 103, 105, 113 & 106 he Areas of interest. The Area Mike111(aka WoBE) and Bonampak420 are lazered into is SouthSide Jamaica queens, southern parts of precincts 113 and 106. This area used to be much worst than it is today but I'll give it to them, there are drug dealers & gang members who hang out there... big deal. Politics have been shaky and some roads need to be fixed (Roads in New York are always being reworked in general but IIght)... There isn't a Garbage problem there that you cannot find elsewhere in New York specifically the Caucasian dominated Manhatten... but I digress. This Area is also undergoing a gentrification process.

^ I said this and your buddy o' pal repeated it... but added in the foreclosure rates (which I'm aware of) concentrated mostly on the same areas I exposed you guys for tunneling, but that's besides the point... Look here.

quote:

Waste. of. Bandwidth., Energy & Effort.:
So then, can anyone point to a majority Black City or Community that is prospering? I know of none, but then again, I don't know of all places so feel free to contribute.

Me:
What do you mean by prospering? there are plenty of black majority communities that are indifferent from some integrated/majoriy white ones.
Jamaica Queens...?

Wait what were we talking about earlier again, blacks needing white supervision to be prosperous or someshit? So by prosperous you guys must mean a modern day black wall street? or nah

quote:
What coonery? In those neighborhoods blacks hold no resources and own a minimal amount of the business, Every single one of those neighborhoods may have a jamaican resteraunt a barber shop and hair salon or juice bar but thats about it, nothing major blacks only live there paying mortage to albinos who dominate the nyc real estate market.

Why haven't hundreds of thousands of Harold lee washingtons been groomed out there to be strategically placed in positions by the people to give benefit to black communities? Instead they vote in criminal lackeys that name rundown roads after famous honorable black men

As Queens home prices hit new records during the second quarter of the year, so too did foreclosure rates.

According to a survey by data analysts at PropertyShark, almost half of the city’s foreclosure auctions are concentrated in Queens, mostly in its Southeast neighborhoods, such as Jamaica, St. Albans and Queens Village.

http://rew-online.com/2016/07/22/queens-tops-nyc-foreclosure-list/

Albinos control the chess board and the resources. As long as that holds true, even the most properous black community is still a plantation.

Albinos have fully gentrified jamaica. On my last visit to nyc albinos have opened a greenhouse farm in jamaica as well as brooklyn they are selling veggies in mass to supermarkets across NYC. Majority of those supermarkets blacks do not own

I'm not even going to bother with this, I mean getting on a dollar van from Jamaica center and looking out the window during the trip to Elmont, blows half your argument out the fucking room.

But I want the WoBE to read and understand and what the first bolded statement means in the grand scheme of things if he believes Jamaica queens is "Failing"

besides that,

What are you guys even arguing now? honestly, we started with crime now we're talking about who owns supermarkets... You saying that we need more black owned businesses and that blacks should continue to grow and support themselves? Are you saying that blacks shouldn't sell their homes in queens to the jews attempting to buy out property from the ~80% of the population in his area whom are black - I agree, I say that all the time even tried to convince Clyde of the same thing... Or are you saying that Jamaica queens isn't a black dominated neighborhood considerably indifferent from other integrated and white dominated neighborhoods?

Figure out what your point is then tell me, and maybe we can talk about solutions or at least of something remotely intelligent...
 
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
 
Why waste your time?

You're talking to a half quadroon
whose every standard is Eurocentric
so ashamed of his 1/16th of African
black descent that he invented an
indigenous fake black Europe and
goes beyond shame to vehement
overt hatred of any and every
thing to do with Africa(n) (blacks).

Apparently everybody here hates
Africa(n) (blacks) as much as he
does because no one here calls
him out or posts any kind of
rebuttal or disagreement when
he posts racialist garbage like:
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:


Forgetfulness over Africa?

Not necessary:

Those nincompoops were so busy trying to sell their own, because they had never learned how to make anything anyone wanted to buy (still don't), that they had no way to know what was happening in the rest of the world. Even worst, even if they did know something of current events - how would they archive it? Clearly being slavers was about as much as they could strive for, because having an understanding of history seems beyond their ability.

.


Ironically, the Liarness is the only
one who stood up in defense of
Africa against the slimeball.
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=006337

Meanwhile, as long as he profanes
Europe and white peoples, the whole
of ES could give a **** as he expresses
racialism far beyond what full blooded
whites (his Oedipus fixation objects)
do against Africans.
 
Posted by Bonampak420 (Member # 20156) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Elmaestro:
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:
Originally posted by Bonampak420:
What coonery? In those neighborhoods blacks hold no resources and own a minimal amount of the business, Every single one of those neighborhoods may have a jamaican resteraunt a barber shop and hair salon or juice bar but thats about it.

The real problem is that this delusional boy doesn't even know that there is a problem. It all seems NORMAL to him.
The problem is you don't know wtf you're talking about so you're adlibing Bonampak420 as he moves the goalpost and try to rally together a point... this is a bullshit conversation at this point, topic was D.O.A.
Look WoBE
quote:
South Side Jamaica Queens refers to the stretch from South Ozone park to Rochdale.
When looking at this Crime Map you can pretty much consider precincts 103, 105, 113 & 106 he Areas of interest. The Area Mike111(aka WoBE) and Bonampak420 are lazered into is SouthSide Jamaica queens, southern parts of precincts 113 and 106. This area used to be much worst than it is today but I'll give it to them, there are drug dealers & gang members who hang out there... big deal. Politics have been shaky and some roads need to be fixed (Roads in New York are always being reworked in general but IIght)... There isn't a Garbage problem there that you cannot find elsewhere in New York specifically the Caucasian dominated Manhatten... but I digress. This Area is also undergoing a gentrification process.

^ I said this and your buddy o' pal repeated it... but added in the foreclosure rates (which I'm aware of) concentrated mostly on the same areas I exposed you guys for tunneling, but that's besides the point... Look here.

quote:

Waste. of. Bandwidth., Energy & Effort.:
So then, can anyone point to a majority Black City or Community that is prospering? I know of none, but then again, I don't know of all places so feel free to contribute.

Me:
What do you mean by prospering? there are plenty of black majority communities that are indifferent from some integrated/majoriy white ones.
Jamaica Queens...?

Wait what were we talking about earlier again, blacks needing white supervision to be prosperous or someshit? So by prosperous you guys must mean a modern day black wall street? or nah

quote:
What coonery? In those neighborhoods blacks hold no resources and own a minimal amount of the business, Every single one of those neighborhoods may have a jamaican resteraunt a barber shop and hair salon or juice bar but thats about it, nothing major blacks only live there paying mortage to albinos who dominate the nyc real estate market.

Why haven't hundreds of thousands of Harold lee washingtons been groomed out there to be strategically placed in positions by the people to give benefit to black communities? Instead they vote in criminal lackeys that name rundown roads after famous honorable black men

As Queens home prices hit new records during the second quarter of the year, so too did foreclosure rates.

According to a survey by data analysts at PropertyShark, almost half of the city’s foreclosure auctions are concentrated in Queens, mostly in its Southeast neighborhoods, such as Jamaica, St. Albans and Queens Village.

http://rew-online.com/2016/07/22/queens-tops-nyc-foreclosure-list/

Albinos control the chess board and the resources. As long as that holds true, even the most properous black community is still a plantation.

Albinos have fully gentrified jamaica. On my last visit to nyc albinos have opened a greenhouse farm in jamaica as well as brooklyn they are selling veggies in mass to supermarkets across NYC. Majority of those supermarkets blacks do not own

I'm not even going to bother with this, I mean getting on a dollar van from Jamaica center and looking out the window during the trip to Elmont, blows half your argument out the fucking room.

Does it still smell like piss in the jamaica center station? Do the homeless still sleep on the sidewalks outside and inside the station? Are there still those pissy unhygenic lamb over rice carts still strewn across jamaica center?

 -

AS long as albinos maintain the illusion that things are going great it justifies a budget they can sink their fangs into.
 
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Tukuler:
Why waste your time?

You're talking to a half quadroon
whose every standard is Eurocentric
so ashamed of his 1/16th of African
black descent that he invented an
indigenous fake black Europe and
goes beyond shame to vehement
overt hatred of any and every
thing to do with Africa(n) (blacks).

Apparently everybody here hates
Africa(n) (blacks) as much as he
does because no one here calls
him out or posts any kind of
rebuttal or disagreement when
he posts racialist garbage like:
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:


Forgetfulness over Africa?

Not necessary:

Those nincompoops were so busy trying to sell their own, because they had never learned how to make anything anyone wanted to buy (still don't), that they had no way to know what was happening in the rest of the world. Even worst, even if they did know something of current events - how would they archive it? Clearly being slavers was about as much as they could strive for, because having an understanding of history seems beyond their ability.

.


Ironically, the Liarness is the only
one who stood up in defense of
Africa against the slimeball.
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=006337

Meanwhile, as long as he profanes
Europe and white peoples, the whole
of ES could give a **** as he expresses
racialism far beyond what full blooded
whites (his Oedipus fixation objects)
do against Africans.

Thanks for bumping that thread, it had some useful information, I forgot about.


Guildhall Library Manuscripts Section


Black and Asian people discovered in records held by the Manuscripts Section


"People of African and Asian origin have lived in Britain for at least two thousand years but this aspect of our heritage has been largely forgotten. Guildhall Library Manuscripts Section has launched a project to find Black and Asian Londoners in the records we hold."

http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/baentries.htm
 
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
 
@Bonampak420, looking up,that images took me to this site.

CLEANUP JAMAICA QUEENS NOW

https://cleanupjamaicaqueens.wordpress.com/2016/06/page/6/


From what I understood, years ago. 80's and 90's Queens had a large black middle class community. I have never been to queens, but I always wanted to visit.
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:

"People of African and Asian origin have lived in Britain for at least two thousand years but this aspect of our heritage has been largely forgotten. Guildhall Library Manuscripts Section has launched a project to find Black and Asian Londoners in the records we hold."
http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/baentries.htm

.
He,he,he,he:

You fail to catch the duplicity of the Albinos.

Quote: So far we have found 550 entries, the earliest in 1573/4 and the latest in 1939.

If the earliest evidence is from 1573, how do they know that there were Blacks from the time of the B.C. era?

The Albinos are lying, they have plenty of material. The problem for them, is the historical material sites like this (ES) used to uncover. It proved them to be liars, so now they are trying to spoon-feed the truth to the Albino public to cover their previous lies.
 
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:

"People of African and Asian origin have lived in Britain for at least two thousand years but this aspect of our heritage has been largely forgotten. Guildhall Library Manuscripts Section has launched a project to find Black and Asian Londoners in the records we hold."
http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/baentries.htm

.
He,he,he,he:

You fail to catch the duplicity of the Albinos.

Quote: So far we have found 550 entries, the earliest in 1573/4 and the latest in 1939.

If the earliest evidence is from 1573, how do they know that there were Blacks from the time of the B.C. era?

The Albinos are lying, they have plenty of material. The problem for them, is the historical material sites like this (ES) used to uncover. It proved them to be liars, so now they are trying to spoon-feed the truth to the Albino public to cover their previous lies.

 -
 
Posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova (Member # 15718) on :
 
So then, can anyone point to a majority Black
City or Community that is prospering?


Assorted racists right wingers like to build distortions around this.
They usually skip over Prince George's County, Maryland.
It is majority black and has one of the highest average
per capita income levels in the overall United States.
According to the U.S. Census, the median income for a
household in the county for 2011 was $73,447 compared to a
U.S. household income of $50,100.

www.pgcedc.com/business-development/expand-a.../about-prince-george-s-county

And despite a fair amount of poor people spread in the area,
and proximity to Washington DC, PG county has among the
lowest crime rate in the national capital region.
In fact crime has been steadily dropping since 2010.

Indeed, the most violent city in State of Maryland, where Prince
George is located, is Elkton, a city that is 76% white. The second
most violent city is Ocean CIty, which is also majority white.

https://www.roadsnacks.net/these-are-the-10-most-dangerous-cities-in-maryland/

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^So much for would be "role models"..
 
Posted by Bonampak420 (Member # 20156) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
@Bonampak420, looking up,that images took me to this site.

CLEANUP JAMAICA QUEENS NOW

https://cleanupjamaicaqueens.wordpress.com/2016/06/page/6/


From what I understood, years ago. 80's and 90's Queens had a large black middle class community. I have never been to queens, but I always wanted to visit.

Queens still does have a large black middle class community. however albinos are in a sly way deteriorating that slowly.

One example. They pushed for more hotels in queens in the past because of its proximity to the JFK airport. Stating that they can bring in tourist dollars to these areas from them staying in these hotels.

They approved all kinds of budgets and built cheap crappy hotels. Now years later those hotels are used as a haven by the city for homeless people. Some not all of these people are mentally ill, drug addicts, thieves, and even two sex offender was found to be put in a neighborhood by the city in one of the crappy hotels turned into homeless shelters. These types are roaming around these neighborhoods. its a fact.

http://qns.com/story/2016/06/29/city-violated-a-promise-after-two-sex-offenders-lived-in-homeless-shelter-elmhurst-residents-and-officials-say/

http://nypost.com/2016/08/23/de-blasios-push-to-reduce-hotels-as-homeless-shelters-is-a-bust/


This type of albino tactic of importing the destitute amongst the people is the same tactic the albino used on the black panthers. They would take crazy people from psych wards and release them into black panther rallies to get them to join and cause havoc withtin. COINTELPRO
 
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
 
^ That's terrible. But was to be expected, seen from a historical point of view.
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova:
So then, can anyone point to a majority Black
City or Community that is prospering?


Assorted racists right wingers like to build distortions around this.
They usually skip over Prince George's County, Maryland.
It is majority black and has one of the highest average
per capita income levels in the overall United States.
According to the U.S. Census, the median income for a
household in the county for 2011 was $73,447 compared to a
U.S. household income of $50,100.

www.pgcedc.com/business-development/expand-a.../about-prince-george-s-county

And despite a fair amount of poor people spread in the area,
and proximity to Washington DC, PG county has among the
lowest crime rate in the national capital region.
In fact crime has been steadily dropping since 2010.

Indeed, the most violent city in State of Maryland, where Prince
George is located, is Elkton, a city that is 76% white. The second
most violent city is Ocean CIty, which is also majority white.

https://www.roadsnacks.net/these-are-the-10-most-dangerous-cities-in-maryland/

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^So much for would be "role models"..

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It's axiomatic that you don't ask a poor man how to make money. Likewise, you don't ask people like Elmaestro what makes a healthy community - they have never experienced it, so they have no idea. Thus when I said "Resources" he had no idea what I was talking about.

As zarahan has just demonstrated, the most important resource for a community is "Income/Tax Base. With that comes the desire to protect what you have => Involvement in community matters, CONTROL of the police (As opposed to being controlled by the Police). Participation in the political process, and CONTROL of your politicians.

In bad communities, all of those things are reversed.

In moderate communities Albinos are needed because Negroes don't know/can't do, what's necessary.
 
Posted by Elmaestro (Member # 22566) on :
 
tsine wa sakare
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quote:
Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova:
So then, can anyone point to a majority Black
City or Community that is prospering?


Assorted racists right wingers like to build distortions around this.
They usually skip over Prince George's County, Maryland.
It is majority black and has one of the highest average
per capita income levels in the overall United States.
According to the U.S. Census, the median income for a
household in the county for 2011 was $73,447
compared to a
U.S. household income of $50,100.

www.pgcedc.com/business-development/expand-a.../about-prince-george-s-county

Zaharan just eradicated Mike111's argument but as expected mike111 has to waste more bandwidth and energy and change the dynamics of the discussion... great job WoBE.
@Zaharan Your first link isn't working BTW

I want you to pay Attention to zaharans statement above Wobe check this out.

~ Laurelton Median Income - $79,304 36%* increase within the last 7 years
http://www.point2homes.com/US/Neighborhood/NY/Queens/Laurelton-Demographics.html
Cambria Heights Median Income - $81,390 39%* of workers are in Sales/Business.
http://www.bestplaces.net/economy/zip-code/new_york/cambria_heights/11411
Queens Village Median Income - $70,478
http://www.bestplaces.net/economy/zip-code/new_york/queens_village/11429
Rosedale Median Income - $85,151 *Family Median of just under 100k
http://www.bestplaces.net/economy/zip-code/new_york/rosedale/11422
West Jamaica Median income for 2013 $48,559 (covers fewest square space and HAS THE LOWEST % OF BLACKS OUT OF THE AREAS OF INTEREST.)
http://www.city-data.com/neighborhood/Jamaica-Jamaica-NY.html
Jamaica overall by zip (11432, 11433, 11434, 11435, 11436. - includes west Jamaica but not other neighbors listed above) Median income - $64,983 (when more blacks are involved mean income goes up in south east queens)
http://www.point2homes.com/US/Neighborhood/NY/Queens/Jamaica-Demographics.html

Using the same federal Avg as Zaharan, w/ NewYorks tax rate @ 8.88% for sales and 10.04% income. General estimated Job growth is averaged for the city I beleive @ 1.84%

quote:
Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
^ That's terrible. But was to be expected, seen from a historical point of view.


Yeah thats sad and true and all that but it's besides the point... Elmhurst isn't a black neiborhood, These guys are traveling leaps and bounds to grasp for air in regards to the topic at hand. Bonampak is stating that "albinos" will employ tactics to destroy black neiborhoods in descresion, but posts pictures of a bum staking out in train stations (The last stop) during the winter. (with two cops in the back ground??? Hmm I wonder why they're there?) WTF does that have to do with the point at hand... And basically their entire argument essentially comes from that site you posted above, The first quote by Mike was from a main contributor to the site, Joe Moretti.
quote:
Originally posted by Tukuler:
Why waste your time?

You're talking to a half quadroon
whose every standard is Eurocentric
so ashamed of his 1/16th of African
black descent that he invented an
indigenous fake black Europe and
goes beyond shame to vehement
overt hatred of any and every
thing to do with Africa(n) (blacks).

.....

Meanwhile, as long as he profanes
Europe and white peoples, the whole
of ES could give a **** as he expresses
racialism far beyond what full blooded
whites (his Oedipus fixation objects)
do against Africans.

This Exactly how it seems sir,
I Honestly didn't wan't to bother with this guy here, but I realized because of Ish Gebor there might be people unfamiliar with this topic or the general NY demographic. These guys are talking out the sides of their necks and don't even live there. IDK about this bonampak guy nor do I care to know about him right about know, however Mike111 is a goddamned fraud lmao... IDK how people can't see right through this guy.
 
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
 
@Elmaestro. I have been to NY, but not to "all places". I do have family in NY.
 
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
 
Mike is a fraud in what way? He is right about Albinism. He does extensive literature research , probably one of the top posters/researchers on this site together with Ish , Sage and dear I say it ....Lioness(s). MOM is coming along.

He do not have a strong scientific background but he makes up for that in his in depth research. Eg the Rio Grand thread . THAT, is original!. That got past even me . ..and I like looking in the mirror.

we have our differences eg. The Steppe thingy. But he has been on the mark on most other things. Even the "Blacks in post-Moor Europe" has to be at least given a second look at . I don't buy the stupid explanation by Sage. There is more to it. Earrings and bandana.
 
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
 
Please don't feed el maestro, he is an albino or mulatto who hates whites being called albinos. He is here to destroy politically incorrect discussions, and detract from the fact that blacks were indigenous to Europe..
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Oh, so that's it.

I thought his statements were kinda strange for a young Black man.
 
Posted by Elmaestro (Member # 22566) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mindovermatter:

Please don't feed el maestro, - But I'm hungry
he is an albino or mulatto - No I'm not but it's hard to guess, right, given that I act like I have a mind of my own, unlike a "sheep" as your buddy WoBE would call young blacks.
who hates whites being called albinos. - IDK why you keep saying this, Just because I don't call them Albinos doesn't mean I don't believe they are or wan't you to stop calling them that. Baseless adhominem but w.e.
He is here to destroy politically incorrect discussions, - Lmao.... Prove it!
and detract from the fact that blacks were indigenous to Europe.. Are you sure you're talking about the right guy?
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...Moving on
quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
Mike is a fraud in what way? He is right about Albinism. He does extensive literature research , probably one of the top posters/researchers on this site together with Ish , Sage and dear I say it ....Lioness(s). MOM is coming along.

He do not have a strong scientific background but he makes up for that in his in depth research. Eg the Rio Grand thread . THAT, is original!. That got past even me . ..and I like looking in the mirror.

we have our differences eg. The Steppe thingy. But he has been on the mark on most other things. Even the "Blacks in post-Moor Europe" has to be at least given a second look at . I don't buy the stupid explanation by Sage. There is more to it. Earrings and bandana.

There's ways to do things and there's better ways to do things, maybe it's just a first impression but I can't trust anything that comes from that mans IPaddress given the faultiness of most of his general arguments. You call him out he tries to assassinate your character, in hopes of discrediting you, w/ these 5min google searches to hopefully maintain a grasp of his point... He's obviously obsessed w/ HIS people, which I criticized because of how it makes us blacks look hate driven and race obsessed.

Maybe I just went about doing things on this site wrong, by being sincere and straight forward from the getgo. IDK how anyone can confuse my intentions when reading my posts.
 
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
 
They don't wanna see through him.
Like him, they believe d Y man is god
(spelled backward is dog). For the
Comic book publisher and his fanboys
have the most extreme low self esteem
Stockholm Syndrome Oedipus Complex
Wanna Be psychology I've ever witnessed
in my life.

The only thing worse than them fanboys
and their idol is the so-called African/Black
Consciousness members who do not will
not speak out. They too are frauds (bystander
accomplices who get arraigned and sentenced
right along with the perp).
 
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
 
Have you ever thought that the reason some "vets" cannot speak out is because they...can't. I remember you asking one in partucular to post on some "genetics". Have it ever entered your mind that one in partcular was a fraud? Remember when he was exposed by Swenet..I believe you also had a part to play in exposing him. So.....silence is really golden. Let Mike do his thing. Yes, I agree with ElMaestro that Mike gets sensitive when he is challenged. But who gives a f....educate, post and have fun at the same time. This is not my day job.
 
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
 
Oh! In case you haven't noticed. I don't have a low self-esteem problem. Like Trump I have big hands. Plus I am a black-man...the first human. All others came from me. I am the most genetically diverse and most well adapted to live on this planet..maybe the universe. I am the perfect human. I always say Afri(k)ans had a 150,000year head start. I not a supremacist as Dhoxie put it but that is the hand Nature played us. Hurry! Hurry! Get some black IN you.
 
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
 
You haven't spent a minute as an activist.
You offer no solutions in our struggle.
Black is me (link)

Black is not
* dishonoring any peoples' self determination
* inventing an Oedipus Complex 'history'
* deprecative of Africa(ns)
* praising and using Europe(ans) as cultural aesthetic yardstick

Black is
* offering workable solutions to progress
* using positivity (building self up not tearing others down
* lauding as well as critiquing our past and ancestors
* sharing holy/holidays
* community


Who is out of the loop and spreading confusion?
Who's playing the divisive Blacker-Than-Thee game?
Tsk tsk smh you have the age of an Elder my cuzn.
Govern yourself accordingly,
youngstas looking up to you ya know.
 
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
 
Xy-YTPeople-hater,

You liar you most certainly are an Anti-White people, Black racist, Black supremacist. You constantly post that Whites are diseased, inferior,evil,stupid,historyless,heritageless,identityless,talentless,non-humans who have no place on earth we belong (no homeland).
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
A few day ago I was watching a news program, a former Republican senator from Utah was being interviewed. After answering the question, he went on to say exactly what was wrong with the U.S. and exactly what needed to be done to correct the problems.

Utah is a state in the western United States. Utah is 31st-most-populous, and 10th-least-densely populated of the 50 United States. Utah has a population of nearly 3 million. (Utah has about the same population as the city of Chicago).

And I thought to myself: why is it always assholes from the outer fringes who always claim to know everything? Ask a cracker from Mississippi and he knows exactly what is wrong with things.

But if you ask intelligent senators in the middle of things, like from California, New York, etc. they will tell you that they don't know, but they are trying to figure things out. My guess is that sort of thing applies to many subjects.
 
Posted by Elmaestro (Member # 22566) on :
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31Xwdz7gxyg

Mike you might like 31:00

Check out all the "albino" hate he's getting in the comments.

He's onto to something, though he's scientifically illiterate... I get his message but do others?

kinda begs the question... If i were to sit down in a suit and tie, and paraphrase this guy using a more refined approach as well as presenting data to support every last one of my claims ...how would I be received?
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
^Quote: Only Niggers Made in America are this stupid/dumb.
WRONG!!!

I have never seen a video or anything, of Africans critiquing Africans like that. Only American Blacks (American Hemisphere) see the world that well. He is crude, but he's a lot smarter than he looks.
 
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
 
I have been wondering about Chicago.

quote:
A new view of gentrification

For researchers studying urban issues such as gentrification, one of the largest challenges is collecting detailed visual evidence across hundreds of square miles of city streets.

Just ask Robert Sampson, the Henry Ford II Professor of the Social Sciences. In the mid-1990s his research team carried off an effort to videotape more than 23,000 street segments in Chicago. The project was so intensive, he thought it would never be repeated.

As it turns out, there’s now an app for that.

Rather than travel to Chicago for an exhaustive study of gentrification in certain neighborhoods, Sampson and doctoral student Jackelyn Hwang used Google Street View to scour thousands of streets for signs of gentrification. Their findings were stark. After controlling for a host of other factors, they found that neighborhoods an earlier study had identified as showing early signs of gentrification continued the process only if they were at least 35 percent white. In neighborhoods that were 40 percent or more black, the process slowed or stopped altogether. Their study is described in an August paper in the American Sociological Review.

“This is really a sobering finding,” Hwang, the paper’s lead author, said. “Even in neighborhoods that are showing change, even when we control for things like crime, perception of disorder, and proximity to amenities, race still matters.”

Sampson said the key finding “is that the predominantly black, seriously discriminated-against neighborhoods in Chicago and many other American cities aren’t reaping the same benefits from the transformation of cities. In one sense, this is a paradoxical result, because there is evidence that diversity and mixed neighborhoods are the ground floor of gentrification, but this paper shows there are sharp limits to that.”

Though gentrification is most often associated with the phenomenon of white, middle- or upper-class residents moving into once-disenfranchised neighborhoods, Hwang and Sampson expanded their investigation to include investments from the public and business sectors.

“Reinvestment can come from the people that live there, but it can also come from businesses, or developers, or policy-makers,” Hwang said. “An influx of middle- and upper-class residents is part of gentrification, but those other investments are equally important and drive the influx of these residents further.”

The paper makes clear that not all neighborhoods change equally, Hwang said.

“There’s a limit to where the change is happening, and that’s why we have persistently poor neighborhoods. If we think of neighborhoods as having a social hierarchy, the ones at the top stay at the top, while the ones at the bottom typically stay there. The ones in the middle can go in either direction, but it depends on their racial and ethnic makeup.”

The new research builds on a 1995 study that examined gentrification trends in nearly two dozen cities across the country, including nearly half of the census tracts in Chicago. The earlier study categorized census tracts according to how gentrified they were based on how much visible reinvestment they were seeing.

To examine whether those trends had continued, Hwang and Sampson targeted areas that had earlier been identified as gentrified and adjacent census tracts, and began using Google Street View to examine them in painstaking detail.

“The idea was to bring the transformative changes that are happening in technology to bear on research, and I think Google Street View will be a powerful tool going forward,” Sampson said.

The researchers used Google Street View to digitally tour hundreds of Chicago streets while gathering data — from evidence of new construction or renovations to existing homes to whether there were signs of neighborhood disorder, such as graffiti or litter. They also looked for public improvements, such as new signs and crosswalks, and efforts to beautify the neighborhood

Each side of each street received a score that reflected its level of gentrification. Across the various streets included in the study, those scores were then aggregated, giving each census tract a score.

“I wouldn’t want this to be interpreted as saying neighborhoods need whites,” Sampson said. “It’s saying that we have a particular history in cities in the United States, and the analysis has to be interpreted within the structure of that history. So rather than saying you need whites, I think what is needed ― and this has always been the case ― is some concerted effort to rethink urban policy.

“During the period of the collapse of cities in the ’60s, ’70s, and ’80s, a great deal of that had to do with policies of disinvestment in poor neighborhoods,” Sampson added. “Today, we need policies and government to play a greater role in the stabilization of neighborhoods, and to protect against cities simply becoming playgrounds of the rich and famous.”

As neighborhoods enjoy the benefits of early-stage gentrification ― higher property values, greater diversity, greater public and business investment ― a big challenge remains in protecting long-time residents from being forced out.

“I think what would have to happen is meaningful reinvestment that also maintains a certain level of affordable housing in order to prevent displacement and that preserves both racial and income diversity,” Hwang said.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2014/08/a-new-view-of-gentrification/
 
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Beryl Satter knew something like this was bound to happen. Or, rather, to happen again.

The Rutgers historian wrote the book on an obscure form of predatory lending from the mid-20th century that victimized black home buyers when banks would not lend them mortgages. Her book, "Family Properties," came out in 2009, on the heels of the housing crash. And as she traveled the country talking about it — about families defrauded from the homes they thought they owned, about sellers who promised home ownership but collected deposits and evictions instead — people kept approaching her.

"Pretty much everywhere I go, people say 'I’ve been hearing about this,'" Satter says. "Contract" selling is making a comeback.

In this model, buyers shut out from conventional lending are offered an alternative: They can make monthly payments on a home directly to the seller, instead of a bank, with the promise of receiving the deed only once the property is entirely paid off, 20 or 30 years down the road. In the meantime, they have few of the legal protections of a typical home buyer but all of the responsibilities of one. They don't build equity with time. They can be easily evicted. And if that happens, they lose all of their investment.

According to the Detroit News Free Press, more homes were bought in Detroit last year using such "land contracts" or "contracts for deeds" than conventional mortgages. In a series of recent stories, the New York Times has reported that Wall Street is now betting on this market, with investors buying foreclosed homes by the thousands and selling them on contract. Earlier this week, the Times reported that the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is now investigating the practice's resurgence, although it is not by definition illegal.

What is particularly alarming about the trend, though, is that we've seen it before. In its earlier incarnation, it was an explicitly racist form of exploitation. And now it is victimizing the same groups again: mostly lower income and minority home buyers who can't access traditional credit.

"There’s nothing new here in the slightest," Satter says. "This is just a continuation of the same old game. That’s what’s so disturbing."

In the earlier era when this was common, between the 1930s and 1960s, contract lending was in some cities the primary means middle-class blacks had to buy homes. Real estate agents and speculators jacked up the price of properties two- or threefold. Then when families fell behind on a month's payment or on repairs, they were swiftly evicted. The sellers kept their deposits and found the next family.

Satter's father, Chicago lawyer Mark Satter, helped organize black Chicagoans to fight the practice in the 1950s. He estimated then that about 85 percent of homes bought by blacks in Chicago were bought on contract. "It was the way you bought," Beryl Satter says. "There was no other way." Many of those families then struggled to keep their homes in a system that was not sustainable by design.

Atlantic writer Ta-Nehisi Coates based his blockbuster 2014 article "The Case for Reparations" around the story of Chicago blacks who suffered under this system, the outgrowth, as he put it, of a segregated city with "two housing markets — one legitimate and backed by the government, the other lawless and patrolled by predators."

The Times reports of what's happening today sound eerily similar. Writers Matthew Goldstein and Alexandra Stevenson report that an estimated 3 million people have bought homes through contracts, although the numbers are hard to track given that the deals are regulated differently in each state and are not subject to the same disclosures as mortgages.

The practice is particularly common, they report, in distressed Midwestern communities like Akron and Detroit, where the government offered hundreds of foreclosed properties to investors in bulk sales. Those same investors, the Times reports, have turned around and sold the properties on contract to moderate-income buyers for sometimes four times as much.

Why now?

But why, though, would a financial scheme created in an era of sanctioned racial discrimination be making a resurgence today? Since Satter's father tried to sue over the tactic a half-century ago, the Fair Housing Act and Home Mortgage Disclosure Act were passed. And the end of legal discrimination opened up legitimate lending to more blacks who were no longer forced into the housing market's rapacious underworld.

But a crucial similarity between the two eras exists: Many people still can't get loans today.

Now, this is the case because lenders have tightened their credit standards since the crash, overcorrecting for the bubble's exuberance with historic stinginess. The Urban Institute has counted more than 5 million loans currently "missing" from the housing market — mortgages that would have been made between 2009 and 2014 if lenders used the kind of credit standards that were common back in 2001, a benchmark for more reasonable lending prior to the housing bubble.

Millions of Americans over this same time have had their credit ruined by foreclosures — in many cases because of predatory subprime lending that has now put them in the crosshairs of predatory land contracts. Minorities who were disproportionately targeted for the former are not surprisingly concentrated among those caught up in the latter.

"When the banks close down, people still need to buy," Satter says. And so they find a way. Just as creative investors find a way to meet their demand. Land contracts are to housing what payday loans are to banking and Rent-A-Centers are to furniture. What people in need can't access through credit someone is always willing to provide — for a price.

A lawyer for Harbour Portfolio Advisors in Dallas, one of the larger players in the new wave of contract lending, told the Times that the firm's business model is "to purchase unproductive residential properties and sell them to other people who will make them productive again.” But Satter frames this differently.

"Choices that black Americans have had for housing loans have been predatory loans, or no loans," she says. And when banks choose not to loan, she adds, this is who they choose not to loan to. "The result," Satter says, "is a complete revival of redlining in a slightly different guise."

This is why she wasn't surprised to see the practice she'd studied as a historian (and lived through with her family in the 1950s) re-emerge as front-page news.

One other factor, though, helps explain why contract selling is back again. The demand among buyers who can't get mortgages is deep. But so is the supply of houses that might accommodate buyers at the moderate end of the market. The foreclosure crisis created a vast stock of vacant homes, many of which have deteriorated through neglect. Steven Brown, an affiliated scholar at the Urban Institute, has pointed out that the growing number of homes worth less than $50,000 may help explain the rise of contract selling:

Urban Institute

So an investor who has bought up thousands of distressed foreclosures for $10,000-$20,000 a piece has to get creative. These properties need expensive repairs, meaning there likely isn't much profit in repairing and renting them. They aren't likely to appreciate much over time in stagnant markets like Detroit or Akron, so an investor can't simply sit on them waiting for a recovery. And these homes can't easily be sold at a profit to buyers — even with some modest flipping — because buyers in this market can't get mortgages.

Contract selling, in other words, is just about the most profitable thing an investor could do with these homes. And that opportunity is colliding right now with a time of desperation for would-be buyers.

One way to look at this situation — today or in the 1950s — is that a market failure exists. Something is not working right in the world of legitimate home lending that's causing families to reach for dubious alternatives, and that's prompting dangerous models to proliferate. Satter, though, doesn't see it this way.

"It’s a market success," she says, viewed from the standpoint of the investors. "They figured out a great way to make a huge amount of money in this situation."

As for market failures, she says, maybe we should rethink the term. "If you’re looking at how a market works, this is how it works – people saw an opportunity, they came in and grabbed it," she says. "The market doesn’t care about fair housing for people, or that families need a place to live."

And that is the other lesson of history that is repeating itself.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/13/why-a-housing-scheme-founded-in-racism-is-making-a-resurgence-today/?utm_term=.98610181b3b1
 
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
 
quote:
Chicago's Inescapable Segregation

The racial separation that permeates nearly every aspect of life in the Windy City is inexcusable.

Melinda D. Anderson Aug 22, 2016
Chicago is a city with a rich black heritage. And the South Side, fondly dubbed the “heart of black America,” is where much of the city’s cherished history emanates. Comprising a mix of poverty-stricken, working-class, and upper-income black residents, the South Side can lay claim to the country’s first black woman senator, the nation’s first black president, and various black elites. Chicago also holds the inglorious distinction of being one of the country’s most segregated cities. This is also the South Side’s legacy—and it encompasses its public schools.

With the return of Chicago public-school students to school just two weeks away, nearly 1,000 teachers and support staff received layoff notices earlier this month. Among the schools hardest hit: the South Side’s Bradwell School of Excellence and Harlan Community Academy, an elementary school and high school, respectively, with staff cuts in the double digits. The most recent layoffs continue an alarming pattern of racial inequality that was documented following Chicago’s mass school closings in 2013. As reported by The American Prospect, “While black students were 40 percent of Chicago’s school district population … they made up 88 percent of those affected by the [public-school] closures.”

The stain of segregation bleeds into the most basic elements of black lives—from housing and health to food equality and educational opportunity—and no area exemplifies this like the neighborhoods that make up the South Side of Chicago. Natalie Y. Moore, a South Side native and public-radio journalist who covers the region, explores the systems and sentiments that keep Chicago segregation intact in The South Side: A Portrait of Chicago and American Segregation, a newly published combination of personal memoir and historical narrative. She recently shared some thoughts and reflections on her hometown. The interview that follows has been lightly edited for brevity and clarity.

Melinda D. Anderson: In Beverly, a South-Side neighborhood of Chicago, something remarkable was nurtured and grown: The community stands out for its ability to counter white flight in the 1970s and today remains a racially diverse area with some integrated schools—a glaring anomaly in the city of Chicago. Are there lessons to be gleaned from how this community has maintained its racial and ethnic diversity?

Natalie Y. Moore: Integration has to be deliberate and intentional. It doesn’t always just happen or maintain itself. One of the culprits [in advancing] integration has historically been the real-estate industry, which encouraged blockbusting and panic peddling. In the 1970s, Beverly leaders fought back through lawsuits and organizing, such as banning for-sale lawn signs in front of houses. Beverly embraced diversity as inevitable and an asset. Diversity is a marketing tool, and the neighborhood tries to prevent having white sections or black sections. The suburb Oak Park [a village adjacent to the west side of Chicago] is another example. In a sea of segregation, there are best practices. Doesn’t mean it’s a racial utopia or without problems, but these communities are bucking the notion that segregation is inevitable.

We [also] see some integrated neighborhoods, but segregated schools. This is a quandary in Chicago. I see this in Beverly but also in Hyde Park, a diverse neighborhood that’s home to the University of Chicago, where I now reside with my family. Both neighborhoods have a number of white families that don’t send their children to the neighborhood public schools. Beverly has a number of integrated elementary schools, but the high school is virtually all black. There’s local research about the tipping point for white families on residential diversity, e.g., there can’t be too many blacks. I haven’t seen any research on that tipping point related to schools. But anecdotally, it’s evident.

“Many schools suffer from double segregation, by both race and income.”
Anderson: The evolution of the black middle class on the South Side is a theme that runs throughout the book. The “privilege and the peril” experienced by this group of black Chicagoans within the context of deeply segregated neighborhoods reveals a complicated and complex history. From your observation, how do race, class, segregation patterns, and educational choices overlap?

Moore: I see a lot of middle-class parents, regardless of race, jockeying for slots in elite public schools. Chicago has created more of them over the years, but the flip side is that neighborhood schools are left behind. This has created a tiered system in Chicago Public Schools. Many schools suffer from double segregation, by both race and income, often in low-income black neighborhoods. I’ve lived in two black South Side neighborhoods: Chatham, a middle-class community where I grew up, and Bronzeville, [an up-and-coming area], as an adult. In both neighborhoods, many middle-class families didn’t or don’t send their children to the public elementary and especially not the high schools.

Many times neighborhood public schools don’t reflect the surrounding demographics. One of the “perils” of black middle-class neighborhoods is their proximity to poverty and lower-performing schools. We do see that black children—regardless of socioeconomic status—will travel outside of their neighborhoods for school. Chicago has the distinction of having some of the best and worst public schools in the state.

Anderson: The degree to which segregation pervades so many parts of black life is staggering. You profile Chicago’s Englewood neighborhood, and the emergence of urban agriculture as a tool to uplift the community, including its schools. Clearly, studies show poor nutrition among schoolchildren is linked to poor school performance. Is tackling the issue of food access showing promising gains?

Moore: Englewood has actually seen a decline over the years in its food-desert status. The neighborhood is at the center of the food-justice movement, and in September, Whole Foods will open a smaller market at a major intersection. Englewood is a community overrun with junk-filled corner stores and fast food. Residents have asked for more hot prepared food, community space, and food education. Urban agriculture, discount grocers, farmers markets, and nutrition education have contributed to the change.

“We’re going to see a continued decline in overall CPS enrollment.”
Anderson: A year ago this month, 12 South Side activists—black parents and community leaders—staged a hunger strike to save Dyett High School in the Bronzeville neighborhood. As you chronicle, in 1962 black parents and students staged a sit-in for integration at a South-Side elementary school. Black parents fighting for educational equity in Chicago spans many decades. What is your forecast for black and Latino children in Chicago Public Schools?

Moore: [Currently] the most pressing issue … for many CPS families is the budget and whether teachers will strike. I think [in the long-term] we’re going to see a continued decline in overall CPS enrollment and an uptick in white enrollment. But the district will continue to be overwhelmingly black and brown.

Ever since the racial consent decree ended [in 2009, a federal judge lifted a 20-year school desegregation order], white students are overrepresented in the selective [high] schools that require testing. The [feeling] is that the city is pandering to white middle-class parents by continuing to build new schools in white neighborhoods.

Anderson: You note that Chicago officials have labeled segregated schools a problem “too big” to tackle. There is also a school of thought emerging in some education circles that the intractable nature of school segregation makes prioritizing integration akin to chasing the White Rabbit in Alice in Wonderland—unattainable and futile. Your writing underscores the inherent inequality of segregated schools. Talk about your findings, namely the flaws in equating black self-determination with all-black segregated schools.

Moore: Brushing off school integration as unattainable is such a cop out. In the Chicago region, we have been so saturated with segregation that we think it’s normal. And to be clear, self-selection is different from segregation. There’s also the argument that if the housing is segregated, so goes the schools and nothing can be done.

As the race scholar Gary Orfield [of the Civil Rights Project at UCLA] told me for my book, Chicago lacks imagination. The city is equally black, white, and Latino, so there are opportunities, [including] redrawing school boundaries, creating regional magnets, and staying ahead of changing housing patterns. My WBEZ [public radio] colleagues have diligently reported on how CPS school construction enables race and class segregation. So many missed opportunities and clearly no engagement on integration.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/08/chicagos-inescapable-segregation/496733/
 
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
 
Wow, what a complete mess this thread is.
Taking this simple thread as an example of cooperation and dialogue between "races", one would think there is no hope for gathering around a common view or objective.
The thread is very much like Tribes.

Anyway, the psychiatric term "Stockholm Syndrome" was coined to describe a white hostage's psychological trauma when captured and held by a oppressive entity or group for a short span of time, measured in weeks, months, or a year. It describes that after a short period the hostage begins to identify with, or even protect the aggressor.

I don't believe this is adequate to describe the experience Africans have gone through with long term exposure to the aggressor. Africans very likely went through the Stockholm phase early on and entered new advanced phases periodically, every 50 to 100 years.

I mean, a hostage in the Stockholm study didn't have it's complete life controlled for more than a year before returning back to it's original life style.
Patty Hearse went into the hostage situation as a heir to a multi-million dollar fortune, and less than one year she returned to being the heir to that fortune. That brief exposure was described as Stockholm Syndrome.

Africans were taken from Africans from every part of life, from multi-millionaires to the poor.
The same is true of Black Europeans and black natives. The difference being, the majority of them never returned to their origins or life styles.
Therefore, the psychological syndrome inflicted on Africans is something levels deeper than Stockholm.
My question is, Why are there no black psychiatrists researching and studying this?
To my knowledge the only black I've read doing the research is Dr. Joy DeGruy and Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome (PTSS).
 
Posted by Akachi (Member # 21711) on :
 
That is Louisiana...they PAID HER to say that bullshit, because 9/10's that family was broke as Hell.
 
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Narmerthoth:
Wow, what a complete mess this thread is.
Taking this simple thread as an example of cooperation and dialogue between "races", one would think there is no hope for gathering around a common view or objective.
The thread is very much like Tribes.

Anyway, the psychiatric term "Stockholm Syndrome" was coined to describe a white hostage's psychological trauma when captured and held by a oppressive entity or group for a short span of time, measured in weeks, months, or a year. It describes that after a short period the hostage begins to identify with, or even protect the aggressor.

I don't believe this is adequate to describe the experience Africans have gone through with long term exposure to the aggressor. Africans very likely went through the Stockholm phase early on and entered new advanced phases periodically, every 50 to 100 years.

I mean, a hostage in the Stockholm study didn't have it's complete life controlled for more than a year before returning back to it's original life style.
Patty Hearse went into the hostage situation as a heir to a multi-million dollar fortune, and less than one year she returned to being the heir to that fortune. That brief exposure was described as Stockholm Syndrome.

Africans were taken from Africans from every part of life, from multi-millionaires to the poor.
The same is true of Black Europeans and black natives. The difference being, the majority of them never returned to their origins or life styles.
Therefore, the psychological syndrome inflicted on Africans is something levels deeper than Stockholm.
My question is, Why are there no black psychiatrists researching and studying this?
To my knowledge the only black I've read doing the research is Dr. Joy DeGruy and Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome (PTSS).

The first line threw me off, thinking Narmer was just gripping, I didn't bother reading this post until just now.

Read it, it's insightful and important.
 
Posted by Thereal (Member # 22452) on :
 
You had other black psychologists pointing out the same thing,Dr.Marimba ani,Dr. Bobby wright with mentacide,Dr.Amos Wilson,the issue is they were giving information like this in the 80s and 90s,its that their are not Afrocentric schools to teach black kids things involving relevant information from k-12 and college,Dr. Umar Johnson is trying to build a school.
 
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
 

 


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